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Speaker 1: On the beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends

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Speaker 1: and husbands? Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello and welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Durante Amie Loftus,

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Speaker 1: and we talk about the representation of women in movie True.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast where we do it. We've been

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Speaker 1: doing it for years at this point. Wild It's true,

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Speaker 1: and we use the Bechdel test and we're heard of it,

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Speaker 1: which is a media metric developed by cartoonist Alison Bechdel.

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Speaker 1: Ever heard of her? Also sometimes done as the Bechdel

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Speaker 1: Wallace test, which we always forget to say. We're done

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Speaker 1: with Wallace erature over here? Yeah, um, but yeah. The

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Speaker 1: Bechtel test, if you don't know, is a media metric

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Speaker 1: that requires there be a scene that includes two named

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Speaker 1: female identa find characters who talked to each other about

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Speaker 1: something other than man. Most of the biggest franchises that

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Speaker 1: have ever been released don't passes. Wait can we do

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Speaker 1: a test run of it? Let's do it, Hey, Jamie, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: why so? Serious, K, maybe just need to go back

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Speaker 1: on well putrin and really start evaluating my options. Sure,

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about going back to therapy. Wow, good

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Speaker 1: for you. I should too. Uh. The reason I don't

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Speaker 1: like my current therapist would break the test. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: let's not talk about it. Yeah, yeah, all right, Well

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Speaker 1: that's pretty much passed the BEC test. Male therapist. I

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Speaker 1: can't do it. I don't know what it is. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They I've always struggled with them. He's just like he's

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Speaker 1: he's so smart, but he's also like, what are you

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Speaker 1: talking about? And like this is this isn't gonna work anyways. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited to talk about I think probably one

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Speaker 1: of the most famous movies of our time, I mean iconique.

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Speaker 1: It is, yes, and I think we can all agree

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Speaker 1: a feminist texts, feminist masterpiece. Yes, yes, yes, womanhood has

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Speaker 1: changed because of this. Oh yes. But before we dive in,

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Speaker 1: let's introduce our guests. She is a hilarious comedian. She's

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Speaker 1: one of the co hosts of Facial Recognition Comedy. It's

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Speaker 1: Paula Vignolin. Thanks for having me. I also don't like

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Speaker 1: mail therapist. I it sucks. He like saved my life,

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Speaker 1: and then I wanted to get rid of him right away.

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Speaker 1: I felt really bad. Anyways, it's been three years and

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Speaker 1: I'm a coward. God fun good stuff. So we're talking

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Speaker 1: about the Dark Knight. Yes she wasn't eight Christopher Nolan,

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Speaker 1: the second installment of the Dark Knight trilogy, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like the most famous and enduring installment. Agree, Paul V.

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Speaker 1: What is your history your relationship with this film? Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for asking. I love Batman. Batman's

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Speaker 1: and then this movie the next Oay, I watched this

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Speaker 1: movie and uh, there's a part in it where the

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Speaker 1: Joker is just sticking his head out of a window

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Speaker 1: and literally in the in the theater, the audience just

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Speaker 1: like we were all like so excited for him. And

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Speaker 1: I love movies and books like that where it takes

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Speaker 1: like really horrible people and it like makes you up. People.

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Speaker 1: I mean, people love this. I mean there's like it's

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Speaker 1: it's uh sad, very sad. Because I think that this

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Speaker 1: movie was released posthumously for Heath Ledger and it was

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Speaker 1: for people to be addicted to the Joker, and he's

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Speaker 1: this is a huge problem of life. Well, Mad Max

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Speaker 1: I also like Batman Begins a lot, And I think

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Speaker 1: this might sound wild to say, but I think I

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Speaker 1: rewatching both of them to prep for this episode. I

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Speaker 1: I like an origin story. Arrest me. It's whatever, you're

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Speaker 1: in jail. No one's arguing for The Dark Knight, Rice

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Speaker 1: positive anyway. So um, Meanwhile, there's a new district attorney

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Speaker 1: Now it's no longer Katy Homes. We'll take whatever scientology

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Speaker 1: And Bruce Wayne is jealous because he wants to kiss

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421
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: she's just kind of like a go to like every

422
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: trope I don't I like, well, I don't have a

423
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: handle on who she is at all. Really. I also

424
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: think it's like crazy that like she she's wavering on

425
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: like who she wants to be with, and she's painted

426
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: like she kisses Bruce Wayne when she's with Harvey, so

427
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: then it's like and then she's like sacrificed, so like

428
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: you don't even get to like her as much as

429
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 1: you want to. Well that's I have a theory about that,

430
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: And I don't know if anyone else has read it

431
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: this way, but I feel like there's a read of

432
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: it where the movie feels justified in killing her because

433
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: she doesn't choose, because she doesn't she was going to leave. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

434
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: where it's like she's made to seem like a little

435
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: bit less lovable before she even though it's like objectively

436
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: she's making the right I mean, if you if she,

437
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean, if if we were really she wouldn't choose

438
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: either of them. I haven't. I have two things I have.

439
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: I have a joke about how Batman's the o g

440
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: funck Boy because because he's like, listen, I gotta be

441
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: a playboy billionaire during the day. It's part of my

442
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: cover up. It's my guys. And then Superman and Spiderman

443
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: are like we're in monogamous relationships and we're got a

444
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: newspaper what So I just think it's like it's like

445
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: she she doesn't pick the funk boy, and then it's

446
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: punished for it. And then and then also like I

447
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: think it's so funny, like not funny, but it's like ironic.

448
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: I don't know when she she's like blown up in

449
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: the middle of a sentence, like she gets interrupted. It's

450
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: more realistic by a bomb. Yeah, and then Harvey is

451
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: like screaming at her instead of hearing her last words,

452
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: like knowing you know what I mean. It's very emotional

453
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: that one. It's I feel Rachel. I think in general

454
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: deserves better. We do know what her job is. I

455
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: feel like it is almost used to just justify her

456
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: being around Harvey. Harvey and and by extension sort of Bruce,

457
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: because we don't really see her like do much for

458
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: her job. She's the assistant d A, so arguably she's

459
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: a villain to and then she's also fucking the d A, right,

460
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: which is appropriate. Yeah, yeah, well that's because like, so

461
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: we know what she does for a living. At least

462
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: we get that at least you know, and she's good

463
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 1: at it. I have no idea, but she was on

464
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: time when Harvey wasn't. Okay, so in that scene that

465
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: this is towards the beginning. In this scene, she's waiting

466
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: for this trial to begin there in the courtroom and

467
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: then like Harvey shows up and he's like, son, and

468
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: were you worried you might have to like do this

469
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: without me? And she's like, I know these briefs backwards

470
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, I don't give a funk, I'm

471
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: gonna do it anyway. This is nice. He yeah, I

472
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: mean it's she There are moments that like but it's

473
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: like we don't really see that really come into play

474
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: very much like we see. It's nice to see her

475
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, she is clearly good at her job,

476
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: but like that's never really plot relevant. The fact that

477
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: she's got at her job is and we still don't

478
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: really even see her do her job at any point.

479
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: It's like the bare minimum of like describing who she

480
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: is and where she is. I appreciate the gesture, but

481
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. She could kind of do anything in

482
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: the movie wouldn't change us. And also this whole time,

483
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: this was the first time where I was like, and

484
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: someone I tweeted about something about Batman and someone was

485
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: just like, Oh, wouldn't it be better if like Batman

486
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: and Tony Stark simply paid their taxes. They would probably

487
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: be doing the world a lot more good if they

488
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: just didn't. I mean, they're probably getting huge tax breaks

489
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: because it's like all their corporations all that stuff. That's

490
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: like I used to think that, like Batman was my

491
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: favorite superhero too, but now I'm realizing he like sucks.

492
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: Like there's because there's so much discussion about like class

493
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: and poverty and how it's causing all this crime and Gotham.

494
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: This is happens a little bit more in Batman begins,

495
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: but it's like you're a gazillionaire if you just redistribute

496
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: your wealth instead of like cause playing as a bat

497
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: and like stopped cosplaying Halloween animals and do you and

498
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: pay your taxes? Are you guys looking to see an

499
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: action movie starring Bill Gates? I mean that's the hero

500
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: that we deserted. You saw that video of him. Have

501
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: you guys seen that video with him jumping over the

502
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: rolly chair. He could be a superhero. He might be harrd.

503
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: I have no idea. All billionaires are scary to me. Um,

504
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: but it does feel like a very like Batman could

505
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: not be written now and be such a sympathetic I

506
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: feel like with the comparison to Bill Gates, I think

507
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: he falls more into like Elon Musk's territory because he's

508
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: pushing like technology and stuff and so like as a

509
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: scientists an engergineer, I feel like because people were like, Elon,

510
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: why don't you just like fix flint instead of going

511
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: to space And I'm like, yeah, okay, don't throw your

512
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: car into space, that's just space trash, and don't throw

513
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: your fridge in a space got but will end up

514
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: in there. Yeah, don't fridge your fridge. Yeah wait, but

515
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch Bill Gates jump over this chair. But

516
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: but I feel like, you know, there's a need and

517
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive for all these

518
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: things to happen. But let's watch Bill Gates. Oh my god,

519
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: so oh yo, he got jump. I would watch that movie.

520
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: We'll post that little YouTube clip on our Twitter. It's

521
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: a lot anyways. Yeah, I mean, it's it's I do.

522
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: I do mean it as like a joke, but just

523
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: like the idea of like presenting a billionaire as like

524
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: the superhero to end all other superheroes, it feels like

525
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: a very particular you know, there's a there's a time

526
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: where that like American dreaming stuff can succeed. And I

527
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: feel like, now it's maybe not that definitely. Also, did

528
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: anyone feel like Christian Bales Bruce Wayne is just Christian

529
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: Bale's Patrick Bateman. Like they act the exact same to me,

530
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: and they look the exact same because they're Christian Bale,

531
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: but like but he's I mean, they're even like dressed

532
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: and styled the same way, Like their hair is the same,

533
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Like they look identical and they act identical. I was

534
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: thinking of the scene towards the beginning where he comes

535
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: in with like the ballerina and he's like, let's put

536
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 1: these tables together, and Harveard Dens like, I don't think

537
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: they'll allow us, and he's like they should. I own this,

538
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, I feel like that is such a

539
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: Patrick Bateman thing. I don't know anyway, but I think, oh, yeah,

540
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: his character of Bruce Wayne. You're saying, yes, oh, I see, maybe. Yeah.

541
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: When he's Bruce Wayne, he is being Patrick Bateman. When

542
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: he's Batman, he's like yeah, but yeah, his his persane

543
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: to me read a lot like Patrick Bateman, but more

544
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: importantly and more relevant. Part of Bruce Wayne's persona when

545
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: he's not Batman and when he's like, you know, being

546
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: his whatever, regular self, part of that persona is to

547
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: treat women like objects. Yeah, you touched on this a

548
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: little bit already, but like he rolls into Harveydn's fundraiser

549
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: with like three women on his arm. The ballet has

550
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: to be canceled because he takes the entire like ballet

551
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 1: full of dancers onto his yacht. Although that ballet Areina

552
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 1: Natasha is my favorite character in the movie. She's smart.

553
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: I love what she was saying about Vigilantes is there

554
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: that that doesn't count because there were two dudes in there,

555
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: but like she is talking about that is that's when

556
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: two women meet. Like I don't know any other scene

557
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: where two women meet and talk. There's one other that

558
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: is wild. But yeah, that I liked. I liked it that.

559
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean, she's in it for literally forty five seconds.

560
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: Someone was like, Natasha, are you the Prima? And then

561
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: she like but then Batman cuts her off, like you're

562
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: like she was talking, she gets in her everyone's getting

563
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: interrupted in this movie, all the women are, and then

564
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: she's clearly only there because Bruce Wayne brought her to

565
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: be like, see Rachel, I have a date too. I

566
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: go on dates. I have a girl. Lady of the Twisted.

567
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: She's cool and she's like Batman with the like everyone's like,

568
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: she's like, why are we relying on this like cosplayer

569
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: to save the world? And she like kind of criticizes

570
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: Harvey as the d a for counting on a Batman

571
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: to do his job for him, and you're like, oh, yeah,

572
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: outside of this world, that would seem very irrational. Um

573
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: so I just I was here for Natasha. I was

574
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: hoping she'd come back, but she did not know she didn't,

575
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: but shout out to her. Um. One last thing on

576
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: the fridging conversation. Gordon's his wife and children also get

577
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 1: damnse old and fridged, essentially by Harvey Dent at the end. Also,

578
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: Gordon's son gets is credited with the name Gordon's daughter

579
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: is not fun. That's because he said he loved her more.

580
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: That's the only reason he loved the boy more. And

581
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: so you're like, oh, so that's Jimmy cool upsetting, but yeah,

582
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: his his daughter is not credited even at the end

583
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: of the movie with a name, and she doesn't have

584
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: any lines. I think the little boy at least like

585
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: he asks about Batman when Batman runs away, um, and

586
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: then you can tell that it's going to be the

587
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: little kid that's excited about the superhero or whatever. But

588
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: the little girl was never like what the funk? Dad?

589
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: You love him more than me? Fuck you. That's not

590
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: going to haunt their relationships for decades. She's going to

591
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: have to go to a male fair based after this. Okay,

592
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: first of all, that hurts just a quick thing on

593
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: two face. Whenever he says, I make my own luck.

594
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,479
Speaker 1: I'm like Jack Dawson Titan. Okay, well that's what cal

595
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: Hockley says, right, He's like, I make my own Yeah.

596
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I mean Aaron Eckhart, but what about

597
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 1: Billy Zane. Billy zane visibility is very low in this

598
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: extreme said an all time low. They don't even reference

599
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: him and Aaron eck cart Man. Aarona cart is so

600
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: weird because he can be so good in movies and

601
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: also so bad. Really he well, Frankenstein, you gotta check

602
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: out I Frankenstein. It's the movie of my life. It's

603
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: so much. It's he plays sexy Frankenstein. Well, I didn't

604
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: he do that in this movie too, which is I

605
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: patch him up. It's the opposite of it's even I mean,

606
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: he can play this exact role very well or terribly.

607
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,959
Speaker 1: I think he did. I think he did a good

608
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: job of transitioning to like he played both characters pretty well.

609
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: I think that they didn't give him enough time to

610
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: like transition or whatever, but it like it still was

611
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: pretty good in this movie at least. I like his

612
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: performance in this movie a lot. Yeah, I just like

613
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: rewatching it this time. I was like they went too

614
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: overboard with his face, like what it looks like in

615
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: the comics. I don't know, I really like it, and

616
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: I like it because it also gives him that grim

617
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: like the Joker like and they all have like these

618
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: like smiles, permanent but scary ones. Yeah, but also like

619
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: in these movies, like superhero movies are supposed to be

620
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: like ridiculous, you know, like you go in like knowing

621
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: that fucking gravity doesn't work for Batman or that like

622
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: his face can be blown off and he'll still survive.

623
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: Like I guess, well, was it Tommy Lee Jones who

624
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: who plays two Face in the earlier Batman and like

625
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 1: he just has like a bunch of scars on his face.

626
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is, you know, still a bit gruesome.

627
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, I liked I like that they

628
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: went all the way with it because I feel like

629
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: this is like gritty Batman. This is the grit gritty

630
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: shout out to queer and feminist icon gritty. Sure, but

631
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: this is like there and I feel like all movies

632
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: were trying to be like this for a while, where

633
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: they're like it's very dark read but this is this

634
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: is this is okay. With a lot of thoughts about this.

635
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: This is exactly what Batman the Animated Series did. Like

636
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: this is how it shifted Batman and all of these

637
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: other superhero things that tried to emulate them after Batman

638
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: the Animated series, like the even the way that they

639
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 1: like animated it was on like ar paper and they's

640
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: like painted light on top of that, and it was

641
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: like the grittiness that came in. So after the animated

642
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: series is when all of these things shifted. Before it

643
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: was like more silly. There was nipples on the suit,

644
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 1: which I but and then like Batman the Animated Series

645
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: was also responsible for the two voices of Batman Kevin

646
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: Connelly or whatever. Yeah, and for like like the crazy

647
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: laugh and yeah, and then all of these other superhero

648
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: movies were like we're going to make this darker now,

649
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: got it? Yeah? Alright, good to know, except for like

650
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: the Flash is still fun just like I just go

651
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: real fast. But like in every movie here, I mean,

652
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 1: in this movie it works super well. Like it it

653
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: makes sense that every superhero movie was trying to be

654
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: this for a while. And shout out to Hans Zimmer

655
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: for the soundtrack. What a good score. It's such a

656
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: good score. We got to take a quick break, but

657
00:38:54,600 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: we will come right back. We're back. Yeah, there's a

658
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: few other female characters in this movie. There are well,

659
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: can we talk about Ramirez? But I also want to

660
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: talk about the representation of people of color in this

661
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: movie because I think that will kind of nicely transition

662
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: because the only people of color in the movie are

663
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: bad guys, criminals, people in the mob, villains, or people

664
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: who have been incarcerated. There were there was a cop

665
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: that was killed. Oh oh, the commissioner. No, no, there

666
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: was a cop that was like, hey, what are you

667
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: doing here? And then he got shot in the face

668
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: by Joker. There's that one. Come on, There's like there's

669
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: a couple law enforcement officers too. Of course, there's also

670
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman, who is an ally to Bruce Wayne and Batman,

671
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean ally to a billionaire. Love it because he

672
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: was like, he had some ethics. Definitely, he did hate

673
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: the n S A machine, so that was good. But

674
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: he is on the list of bad people I r L,

675
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: which we will get to. Um fuk, I forget all

676
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: of them. There's too many, so hard to keep jack

677
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: of um. But the majority of people of color, you

678
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: see in the movie are framed as being bad guys.

679
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: And then one of the other female characters that we

680
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: get to meet is Detective Ramirez. She seems good, she

681
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: seems like a good person, but then she turns out

682
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: to be traitors because she sold out Rachel to the

683
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: Joker in his Goons. She is, I mean, and again

684
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: it's like, we don't have really the context of how

685
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: this character is portrayed in the comics books. And I

686
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: think she is in the comic books. Yeah, that's hard.

687
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: The main thing with Ramire says like it took They

688
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: don't say her name until she's been on screen a

689
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: couple of times, and so that was I don't I mean,

690
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: she's probably in Batman Begins as well, but I'm like,

691
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: I have no fucking clue what this character's name is.

692
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: And then it's like the third or fourth time she's

693
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: in the movie for a couple of seconds, someone says,

694
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 1: this is Anna Ramirez. You're like, oh, great, thank you.

695
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I mean, she ended up being duplicit as.

696
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: And one of the times that this movie sort of

697
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: passes the vital test is when Anna Ramirez is like

698
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: being she's being held at gunpoint by Aaron at Card

699
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: and she calls his wife. It's a mind funk of

700
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 1: a pass. Yeah, she's being held at gunpoint by Aaron

701
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: at Card, but it does take a good pass. Uh yeah.

702
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: But she's talking about Oh, she's just trying to get

703
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: them out of the house or whatever. She has called

704
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: um Barbara who is named Gordon, Um, Gordon's wife. Um. Yeah.

705
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 1: Ramires is like, oh, you gotta get away. We can't

706
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: trust those cops go to this address, blah blah. So

707
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: although she she keeps saying like, he wants you to

708
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: do this, he wants you to go here. So yeah

709
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: about Gordon, Yeah yeah, I had I had one two

710
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: line exchange in that conversation passing. But either way, it's

711
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: a wild It's it's a wild reveal that you're like, oh,

712
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: she's being held at gunpoint, right, I don't know if

713
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: this happens in the comic books at very least appreciated

714
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: that her betrayal is not irrational and there is a

715
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: reason that she's doing it. We like learned that her

716
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: mother is sick in the hospital and she's given her

717
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: little trolley choice of like do I save my mother

718
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: or do I kind of sell out this family. So

719
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: at very least I feel like she's not so underwritten

720
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: that you're just like, oh, she's just bad, like you

721
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: do understand why she's motivating. Yeah, but it still means

722
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: that the I think the one woman of color in

723
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: the entire movie is made to be presented in such

724
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: a way where the audience then hates her. Well, you

725
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: don't hate her that, right, it's but not a not

726
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: a ethical person in the way that all these men

727
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: who have to like stand up for what they believe

728
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: in our right and make the right decision. Yeah, I

729
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, yeah, there's definitely I mean again

730
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: a Christopher Noland things just like they're they're very white movies,

731
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: and so when people of color are portrayed in certain ways,

732
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: it's like there's no one really to compare it to.

733
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: And but it's interesting because like at so many points

734
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: in this movie, the jokers like make a decision, picked

735
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: the person you want to kill, right, and she had

736
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: that choice too with her mom versus uh like everybody

737
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: else basically. But it's interesting that like right before that,

738
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: the convict like through the thing out the window because

739
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: he was a person of color who also had the

740
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: decision where like he would be killed, um, and so

741
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: it's like it's it also is like a power play,

742
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: like with convicts versus you know, police officers and like

743
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 1: class stuff. So I think like at least they have that,

744
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: that's true. I mean the on the two ferries, we

745
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: have the like all the incarcerated people, and like the

746
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: guy who's like, I'm gonna do what why would you

747
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: should have done ten minutes ago? And he throws the

748
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: detonator out the window. And then meanwhile on each other

749
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: book takes it from a white police police officer. So

750
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: the police officer gave it to him thinking that he

751
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: was going to blow up the other boat. And you

752
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: see the failure in the police officers ethics and the

753
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: rise of this convicts, right. And then on the other

754
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: boat is all the civilians and then there's like one

755
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: white guy in particular who's like, let's kill him. They

756
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 1: made their choice, their murderers. And then even he can't

757
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: go through with it, but like and then everyone around

758
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: him is disappointed that he can't go through with it.

759
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: But everyone on the convicts boat, like the group of

760
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: people he's like friends with or whatever, like go to

761
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: protect him. Like if you see he like walks back

762
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: and then like all of his black friends like surround

763
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: him and are like, yeah, this is it. My theory

764
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: is that everyone on the civilian boat is actually like

765
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: guilty of insider trading, but they've never been like convicted.

766
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: And then everyone on the like boat of incarcerated people

767
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: are in jail for like yeah, they were like a

768
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: marijuana charge. Yeah, and they're all actually non violent offenders.

769
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily a theory, probably not accurate, especially given

770
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: their facial reactions, but they didn't kill a bunch of people.

771
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: I yeah, I I feel like that that scene does

772
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: part of what I like about this movie well, where

773
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: it's just kind of like a very comic bookie like

774
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: who is good and who isn't? What is good? What

775
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: is bad? And like people who are put in certain

776
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: boxes aren't actually that. And I mean it's definitely like

777
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: a very egregious example. But I don't know, I always

778
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: like that scene too. Um, but there should I mean,

779
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: there should be more people of color in this franchise

780
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: and seen in different roles. I totally agree. There's, um,

781
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: there is another woman in this in the in this

782
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: movie that we didn't mention, and she is the one

783
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 1: who's having sex in his bedroom with that man while

784
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: he goes into his safe room, and she's like, are

785
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: you kidding me? When she goes down at the fundraising

786
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: party and she's putting her blast back on as we

787
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 1: all normally do, very carefully buttoning the shirt. Oh, I

788
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: can't leave a room unless just so wrinkled at all.

789
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: A sex positive icon. Truly, in this movie, there is

790
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 1: a young woman an old man. Well, if we bring

791
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: up her, we also have to bring up the woman

792
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: who I think his name is, like Salvatore Maroney. He's

793
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: in a nightclub with this woman and she's like, can

794
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: we go somewhere else? We can't hear each other talk?

795
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: And then he's like, what do you think I want

796
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: to hear you talk? Like feminist icon Maroni Salva. This

797
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: is what we get to choose from of the female

798
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: characters in the film, and I think we picked Natasha.

799
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: I think Natasha is the best one. She should have

800
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: been seen more, and we briefly so. We mentioned Barbara

801
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: Gordon a couple of times, but she only really exists

802
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: in relation to her husband. We see her primarily doing

803
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: mother stuff and being damseled. And I think Barbara is

804
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: also the name of the wife. And the rock yeah

805
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: is on the grave. Yeah. Wild. The list of disgraced men,

806
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: I'll just go through quickly. I also but they were

807
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: all just like it was out at AFT post. This

808
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: is a post, so we didn't know at the time,

809
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: but Christians, Yeah, what a Christian bality. He was arrested

810
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: for assault following a dispute between him and his mother

811
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: and sister. Yeah. I was trying to read up on this.

812
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: The details seem murky. I don't quite know enough to

813
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: He's denied, I mean, he denied the allegations, and it

814
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: seems like they were kind of dropped, which for me

815
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: never necessarily means that that is any reflections. Right, So

816
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: it was from his mother and sister that okay. And

817
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: he's also been known to have outbursts on set a

818
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: lot and yeah, and on stage with that accent crazy

819
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 1: put that away Christians. How we never figured out how

820
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: to act less Cockney. I don't know. The ultimate twists, Yeah,

821
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: I was that he's in film for so long and

822
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: none of us fully understood what he's because he's almost

823
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: always doing an American accent or like a more posh

824
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: British accent, and then yeah he accent in real life.

825
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my, this man hasn't received enough awards, right,

826
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: that's for the takeaway. Um, we've got Michael Caine who

827
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: loves Brexit whath Okay, but he's not so he's just

828
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: an idiot. Then he's just too rich for his own good.

829
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, but he's not like a malicious idiot. I

830
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: mean I would argue that anyone who's like in full

831
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: support of Brexit is like a bad person. Well I think,

832
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: like I'm like inherently racist, and you know, well I

833
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: put them in like different categories and like assault and

834
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: like these Yeah, I mean speaking of Gary oldman assaulted

835
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: his wife. I forget what year that was, but that

836
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: came to light. That came out right before he won

837
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: an oscar anyways, So really a wash for Gary. And

838
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: then Morgan Freeman made many many unwanted sexual advances and

839
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: remarks towards many women on different sets. And then he

840
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: also had a weird thing with his like stepdaughter or

841
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: someone who was in his family. Oh that one I

842
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 1: don't know about. Again, it's so hard to keep track

843
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: of all the horrible men and all of their horrible

844
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: misdeeds and it's exhausting, it so weird. Yeah, and this

845
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: is just a side fact about Christian Bale that I

846
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: learned today that he at one point was Glorious Steynham's stepson.

847
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: Oh so he's a feminist. Wait he was her stepson,

848
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: and but his real mom and his sisters who he right,

849
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: he did not. I think that more people would know

850
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: if he assaulted Glorious. And and also, I mean it's

851
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: worth saying that all of these men are still working

852
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: and are doing just fine. Yes, so make of that

853
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: what you will. This movie was as Heath. We barely

854
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: talked about Heath. I mean, just they're fantastic and complain

855
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: nothing's come out, nothing's come as far as we know,

856
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: a terrific guy. I wanted to touch briefly on how

857
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: mental illness is demonized in this movie. I mean, the

858
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: Joker's character in a nutshell, but but Batman stands up

859
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: for it, right. He was like, that guy's a schizophrenic

860
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: and you wanted to hurt him? Yes, that's about one line,

861
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: and then everybody else is crazy. Yeah. So one of

862
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: Joker's goons is described as being a paranoid, schizophrenic, the

863
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: kind of mind that Joker attracts. So I don't know

864
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: if it's even in defense of that man or like

865
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: saying like you shouldn't you know, just trying to Sorry,

866
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: I keep interrupting. Go on that feminist podcast Masculine Energy.

867
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: She was like, you're like an an alpha guy girl.

868
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean, girl, It's like, okay, that is a free session, right,

869
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: But I think he stopped someone from hurting. Yes, he

870
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: stops Dent from shooting him, right. I mean for me,

871
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: it's there's so many like overly serious, toxic male tropes

872
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: that are given power in this movie. It comes down

873
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 1: to kind of an adaptation issue for me, where it's

874
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: like we have like the idea of asylums in this

875
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: world are like super stigmatized, and I feel like they

876
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: are in a lot of comic book universe. Is this

877
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: is something that it isn't really improved upon in this movie,

878
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: which I think that the only thing it does is

879
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: present the Joker as complicated, more complicated and is to

880
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: an extent multifaceted, and we know that he is in

881
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: pain from enduring being stigmatized, and there is that. I

882
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: don't think it really goes far enough. I think that well,

883
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: since they name this specific illness paranoid schizophrenia, and then

884
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: because that's like the one specific representation we have of

885
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: mental illness in this movie, and then having that character

886
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: who has that illness end up being a villain and

887
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: a bad guy like that who needs to die, that

888
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: does a lot of harm. And to say like, oh,

889
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: it's the kind of mind that Joker attracts, which means apparently,

890
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 1: then Joker goes after a lot of different people with

891
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe an array of mental illnesses, and that means that

892
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: all of those people with mental illnesses are demonized too,

893
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: because they're all guys. I think in general, like, um,

894
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: this is an issue I love like superhero comic books, movies, everything,

895
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: but like this is an issue in general, is like

896
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: mental illness. And then also like I hate the way

897
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: scientists are portrayed because they're often like the same thing.

898
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: It's like the mad scientist. Like there's never any like

899
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: good engineers other than like Batman and iron Man, right,

900
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: like so I'm like, we're not all fucking crazy, Like

901
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: we're not. And I think they often couple those things together,

902
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: like the most brilliant minds who are villainized. Are these

903
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: like mad scientists type people like Scarecrow developed this technology,

904
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: but he's like using it for evil, you know. So

905
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: I think that's like those are two things that in

906
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: general all comic books have an issue with. Usually I

907
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: talked about different movies where like especially women in STEM

908
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: are demonized, or like women in STEM adjacent whether witches.

909
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: It's like a false attempt to empower them, um and

910
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: be like, see, our women are more complicated, but then

911
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: it's like they're just evil. They can be like smart

912
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 1: and also caring and whatever. There's and I feel like,

913
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: speaking to the mental illness conversation, I think that schizophrenia

914
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: is like kind of disproportionately attacked in movies as seeming

915
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: like truly like you cannot possibly function in societ. I

916
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,399
Speaker 1: d um. Bipolar is also a common thing. I feel

917
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: like that's kind of invoked more in slasher movies of

918
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: like they're so two face and they can't blah blah blah.

919
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: And to all my bi hooler heads out there, we're

920
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: we're cool, we're chill, we're fun to be around. We

921
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: need a manic superhero, right like there needs someone that's

922
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna go solve cry today, and then I

923
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: think there's a different read of the Joker that it

924
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: is just sort of really empathizing with like a misunderstood

925
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 1: white guy who descends into violence. Um, even putting the

926
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: mental illness conversation aside, Like, I like that he is

927
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: made to be a complicated character by that movie. I

928
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: think there's like a lot of interesting things to be

929
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: said about that. But like, ultimately, if you're not reading

930
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: it as an attack on mental illness, he's a misunderstood

931
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: white guy who kills people, and that is you know,

932
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: that's not nothing that exactly. I don't know. He was

933
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: always kind of eccentric, right, right, But no one, I

934
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: don't think anyone in this movie called him a terrorist.

935
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: But that is what he is. He's a terror But

936
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: because he's a white guy, no one's using that language.

937
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: They never said terrorizing the city. Usually they use that

938
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: they might, but they didn't call him specifically a terrorist.

939
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: I do not think because I don't think of terror

940
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that they're pulled from the same

941
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: root word, but I don't think of someone saying, like

942
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: you're terrorizing the city as terrorists. But did they do

943
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: that with like people of color in these comic books.

944
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: I feel like they well, I don't know. I think

945
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: the villains are almost always white men, So I don't know,

946
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: at least there's that at least you're not getting called

947
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: in to be like terrorists in a Marvel movie. That's like,

948
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: at least we're just not in the Marvel movie. But

949
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: I think when you do have like a you know,

950
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: mental illness conversation aside a white male terrorist, you know,

951
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 1: I think that they go further into justifying his actions

952
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: and giving a context then you probably would if the

953
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: villain were a person of color. It's the Yeah, it's

954
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 1: definitely now that we're talking about it this way. And

955
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 1: he's just like the outside character that people that Dent chooses,

956
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: the Dent is convinced by because he's tired of the system.

957
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: That's Trump. That's like, that's like that chaos and unknown

958
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 1: than anything else that's Trump. Yeah, Harvey Dent drained the swamp. Yeah,

959
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: And there's I mean, and then and we can talk

960
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: all day about like Batman doesn't never processed his trauma.

961
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 1: He'd rather dress up like a bat than deal with

962
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: the death of his parents. I don't want to talk

963
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: about it. I'm gonna go where my breath costume. You're like,

964
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 1: all right, I think like I identify with him because

965
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: a lot of my depression, Like people can't tell when

966
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: I'm depressed, because I just work harder. Oh I love yeah,

967
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: high functioning, Yeah, high functioning. So it's like I just

968
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: pour everything into like being a robot basically. So I

969
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: think that's probably why I like him. Alt. Does anyone

970
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: have any final points about the movie. I just want

971
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 1: to Natasha movie. Oh the Ballerina, Well that brings us

972
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: to I mean, we've already talked quite a bit about this,

973
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: but does this movie pass the Bechdel test? Yeah? I

974
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: guess it would be Ramirez talking to Barbara with that

975
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: tow line exchange because she's like, those cops can't be trusted,

976
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: go to two D fifty something Street, but she's technically

977
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: talking about her protecting her daughter and sons. You're like, oh,

978
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: you can kind of see it. But I felt like

979
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: that did pass, and it was an insane past because

980
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: she's being held at gunpoint by a man while it's happening.

981
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: That's also how Christopher Nolan put it in the movie,

982
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: like fine, I'll do it, like I'm a feminist. And

983
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: then the other conversation where women are even in the

984
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: same scene together, which hardly happens, but Rachel says to Natasha, Natasha,

985
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: are you the Prima? And then Bruce interrupts and says

986
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: Prima ballerina for the Moscow Ballet, So they don't even

987
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: get to talk to each other because Bruce Wayne Enter

988
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: erupts a woman. Yeah. So, um, a great movie. I

989
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: still did enjoy it. It's a good movie. Uh, I'm

990
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: glad that. I mean, it does sort of in context.

991
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: It gives me a little bit of relief to know

992
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: that Christopher Nolan got this note eventually to like, please

993
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: stop fridging women as the center of the plot of

994
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 1: every single one of your movies. Um, it is nice

995
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: to see progress, you know, because in spite of everyone's efforts,

996
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: men are not going to simply disappear. So having them

997
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: be allies to women, uh in their work is always encouraging. Yes,

998
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: all right, let's write it on our nipple scale, where

999
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: we use a scale of zero to five nipples based

1000
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: on its representation and treatment of women. I'll give I mean,

1001
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: it's basically a zero, right, it might be a point

1002
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: five five for Natasha. I think I like didn't notice

1003
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: how how bad it was growing up because we were

1004
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: just fucking used to it exactly, and so like it

1005
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: doesn't take away from how much I enjoy it as

1006
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: just a movie. But I'm just like, damn, at least

1007
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: now we like like now we have movies where it

1008
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: like we are fulfilled, you know, like we have things

1009
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: that are happening right now. But it really like pales

1010
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: in comparison when you compare, Like I was just like

1011
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: there are no I was searching for the women they're

1012
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: barely around and that long of a movie, and just

1013
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: like knowing that, you know, when this movie came out,

1014
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: it was not something that registered for us. You just

1015
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: don't think we weren't looking for it, You weren't expected,

1016
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't expect it in a movie of this genre,

1017
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: especially um so, so yeah, I'll give it a half

1018
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: a nipple for Natasha being like an intellectual and like

1019
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: just cool. She's just like or just governed dummy. But

1020
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: other than that, I mean between all the the fridging,

1021
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: the us barely getting to know the Rachel character, not

1022
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: letting us see her do her job, you know, all

1023
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: that stuff, this movie I would say it's not like

1024
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: outwardly contemptuous of women. It just doesn't care about having

1025
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: them be in the movie and it doesn't make them

1026
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: like there are a lot of like superhero movies where

1027
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: the women are like unlikable in Damsel in Distress, like

1028
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: even more like they're just literally there to fuck. So

1029
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: I feel like, at least it's not that I've been

1030
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: saying at least a lot today, it's just sitting here

1031
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: justifying this bullshit or it's still a good movie. And

1032
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: so we're like, yeah, but I'll give my half nipple

1033
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: to Natasha. How many nipples does a bat have? I

1034
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: wonder anyway, not important to Yah, that's true. Schumacher canon

1035
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: says to I'm going to do a half to the

1036
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: same reasons, especially because Rachel was written in for the

1037
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 1: movie that you can't even get an adaptation problem. You're

1038
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: just like, come on, and it was written by Jonathan

1039
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: and Christopher Nolan. Most of those movies are and I'm

1040
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: just like, we get it. You want to kill your wife,

1041
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: like whatever. There there, it's lazy writing. This is a

1042
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: stand up equivalent of like, my wife's a bit. We

1043
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: just create these characters to kill like, Okay, maybe go

1044
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: to counseling. Can't even trust her with my fake death.

1045
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,439
Speaker 1: I would be very like if I were Christopher Nolan's wife,

1046
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: I'd be like do we need to talk? Like what

1047
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: did I do to you? Anyways? Yeah, just kind of

1048
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 1: like lazy writing and exclusion of women on the whole.

1049
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: But I like Natasha have nipple. Give it to Natasha?

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Speaker 1: Why not same? I would say same. I will say

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Speaker 1: now that like, as we're discussing this, I realized, like

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Speaker 1: when I watched the movie, my least favorite part of

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Speaker 1: it was Rachel And I think it's because I couldn't

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Speaker 1: take anything from Cannon and like apply it to her character.

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Speaker 1: Like I couldn't just a by anything because she was

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Speaker 1: and and I was like, who is this bitch? And

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Speaker 1: like why is it like this? I don't like her

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Speaker 1: character as much as I want to have humorless killed joy.

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Speaker 1: I also think we'll all inconsistent because she's like she's

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Speaker 1: like I'm on time, like I do this stuff. But

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Speaker 1: then it's like, you know, she's like inconsistent, wavering between them,

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Speaker 1: and then like isn't as strong as you want her.

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Speaker 1: She's like just wavering the whole time. Like Lakey and

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Speaker 1: you're like, who is They don't know and they didn't

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Speaker 1: like because she's not a character in the comic books,

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Speaker 1: you can't just apply that knowledge to her. And I

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Speaker 1: also just remember from the press surrounding this movie, it

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Speaker 1: almost reminds me of like a Sarah Jessica Parker, Like

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Speaker 1: how just Sarah Jessica Parker was treated during Sex in

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Speaker 1: the City, where Maggie Gillenhall was not perceived as attractive

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Speaker 1: enough to be a romantic lead. There is a lot

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you go back to Oh, I've got

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Speaker 1: some receipts on it, I mean, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: really gendered pointed conversation about how people didn't find her

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Speaker 1: hot enough to be in this movie. So it's just

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Speaker 1: you know, we've we've grown. Maggie jillan Halls always been hot.

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Speaker 1: Let's relax, Um half nipples across the board. Paula V.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having

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Speaker 1: on the show. What would you like to plug? I

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Speaker 1: co produced Facial Recognition Comedy, which is on the second

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Speaker 1: Sunday every month at Wesside Comedy Theater in Santa Monica,

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Speaker 1: and we also have a podcast. Um that's released every Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: And then I also run a show called Oversharing Comedy

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Speaker 1: like Instagram. Um. And then should I give my social

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Speaker 1: yes please? Okay. My socials are get out of pen

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Speaker 1: and I also started a Dirty Science web series on

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Speaker 1: I talk about different science topics that interest me and

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Speaker 1: we're like, I talk about why things are the way

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Speaker 1: they are through a scientific lens. But it's also like

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