WEBVTT - Democracy Hanging Over a Cliff

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Meet

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<v Speaker 1>your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker. Folks,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start off today's show with talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Dominion and the lawsuit that Dominion had with Fox that

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<v Speaker 1>they have now settled for seven hundred and eighty seven

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars. First, the mainstream media's conversation around this settlement

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<v Speaker 1>is bullshit. And let me tell you why. They keep saying,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, this is a windfall largest settlement, blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah. Fox is a multi billion dollar

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<v Speaker 1>fucking company, Okay, like as well as it's CEO is

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<v Speaker 1>a multi billionaire. They are insulated from this shit. Insurance

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<v Speaker 1>we'll probably cover it. Now, folks, I'm not a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>right or have do I have an MBA? And some

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<v Speaker 1>have said to me, well, insurance may not cover it

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<v Speaker 1>because their Dominion was able to show intent right with

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<v Speaker 1>all of their findings through their own investigation and through

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<v Speaker 1>testimony and the text messages and the floods of emails

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<v Speaker 1>and the voicemails and all of these things. But seven

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighty seven million dollars to a multi billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollar company into a multi billionaire is not a big deal, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You can brush that off like us as commoners, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we think to ourselves, oh my god, yes, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of money. I could live and have generations a

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<v Speaker 1>family live with that kind of wealth. The issue here

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<v Speaker 1>is that we all thought that this case was truly

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<v Speaker 1>about democracy and the fourth estate, meaning journalism as a whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Fox has been able to lie to their viewers, not

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<v Speaker 1>just about dominion having a key role in, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>throwing the election to Biden, and the lies that every

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<v Speaker 1>single one of their hosts told knowing that they were lying.

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<v Speaker 2>They've lied about all whole host of things.

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<v Speaker 1>They spread the lie around COVID and saying that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a democratic hoax. They've upheld the lie around Hunter

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<v Speaker 1>Biden's laptop, They've upheld the lie around Hillary Clinton, around

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<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama not being from this country, like, They've upheld

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of lies. And so we all thought that

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<v Speaker 1>this lawsuit was going to be an opportunity to really

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<v Speaker 1>secure journalistic integrity and to uphold our democratic institutions. But

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<v Speaker 1>silly us, because in a capitalistic, greedy society, as Wu

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<v Speaker 1>Tang clan wrapped so many decades ago, cash rules everything

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<v Speaker 1>around me. Cream get the money, dalla dolla bill y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>That is exactly what Dominion did, and they had the

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<v Speaker 1>audacity to send their lawyers out in a press conference saying, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>money is accountability for who? Because the tens of millions

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<v Speaker 1>of people that tune into Fox News every day don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know that this case existed. And guess what else

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<v Speaker 1>happens with their settlement. There's going to be no right,

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<v Speaker 1>no sharing with their audience, no forced overture by Fox

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<v Speaker 1>to say we lied to you about the twenty twenty election.

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<v Speaker 1>The twenty twenty election was not stolen. The twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>election was free and fair election. Dominion machines had nothing

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<v Speaker 1>to do with uh with overturning the election or giving

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<v Speaker 1>it to Joe Biden, And we apologize for the lies

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<v Speaker 1>that we have spread. That also, by the way, had

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of people take up arms to go quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>take their country back. None of that is going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen because there was no contingency on top of the

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<v Speaker 1>money for there to be an admission to their audiences

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<v Speaker 1>about their lives. So Fox gets to give a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of their lunch money over to dominion and their

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<v Speaker 1>viewers are none the wiser, and our democracy hangs over

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<v Speaker 1>a cliff. So it's extraordinarily disappointing. And I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>think disappointing is the right fucking word. I just every

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<v Speaker 1>time that I think that we are getting to a

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<v Speaker 1>place where people are becoming conscious of what is happening,

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<v Speaker 1>where the uber rich and the evil puppet masters behind

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<v Speaker 1>the attempts at authoritarianism and fascism in this country, when

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they're going to be held to account,

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<v Speaker 1>the rug is pulled out from under us, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, don't you worry. The wealthy, the white, and

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<v Speaker 1>the powerful. All they ever do in life is ever

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay a fine. Right, Fox is responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, the monster Fox is responsible, bears part of

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<v Speaker 1>the responsibility for the insurrection. Why did the insurrection happen?

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just that day down at the stop the

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<v Speaker 1>Steel Rally where Donald Trump pointed to the Capitol building

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<v Speaker 1>and told non armed insurrection is to go take their

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<v Speaker 1>country back. No, it was a series of lies that

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<v Speaker 1>were spread over the course of months, aid inebedded by

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News, knowingly.

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<v Speaker 2>Knowing the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>But they won't be held to account. So no, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to hear this bullshit narrative from the mainstream

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<v Speaker 1>media saying, oh, seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars. No,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was five billion, maybe I'd give a fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>If it was gonna bankrupt Fox, if it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to bankrupt the Murdocks, then maybe that would matter. If

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<v Speaker 1>it was gonna shudder the entire network and then send

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<v Speaker 1>a warning shot to other outlets like Newsmax and oh

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<v Speaker 1>An and all of these other right wing vessels of

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<v Speaker 1>hate and lies and disinformation, if it was going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, I would say, bravo, Dominion, you've done it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you've earned the money that you're gonna walk away with.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the day, it seems as

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<v Speaker 1>if the only people that give a fuck about our

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<v Speaker 1>democracy are the ones that are gonna bear the brunt

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<v Speaker 1>of this authoritarian regime because everybody else either got a

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<v Speaker 1>rocket to go to the fucking moon, to Mars and

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<v Speaker 1>leave the rest of us behind. You know, somebody tweeted

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<v Speaker 1>at me and it said, other countries, other nations have democracies,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't seem to have to fight for them

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<v Speaker 1>as fucking hard as Americans. Are fighting for our democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that that's right. I think that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>much has been told about the story of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those that are patriots that fight for their freedom and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah blah. But in a true demands

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<v Speaker 1>and not a Banana republic, do you have to continually

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<v Speaker 1>be in the streets, continually be vigilant or is that

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<v Speaker 1>just the story that we tell ourselves. I tell you that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what America has done right, is that America

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<v Speaker 1>has the best pr best public relations of any country

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. It begins with the indoctrination that we

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<v Speaker 1>get as we enter into the doors of kindergarten until

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<v Speaker 1>we graduate right about America being great, about this wonderful land,

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<v Speaker 1>this beacon on a hill, about all of these wonderful people.

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<v Speaker 1>George Washington in the cherry tree and is wooden teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not told the truth about George Washington, the slave owner,

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<v Speaker 1>the brutal slave master that ripped the teeth out of

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<v Speaker 1>his slave and put them into his own mouth. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not told the real story about Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings. No,

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<v Speaker 1>for white America, it's a love story. A love story

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<v Speaker 1>between a man who is twice the age of his

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved piece of property, a human being that he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to discard and use like a ball or a plate,

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<v Speaker 1>who had no choice, no bodily autonomy. But instead of

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<v Speaker 1>telling the truth about rape and enslavement and brutality, America

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<v Speaker 1>weave the tale of a love story. Everything in this

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<v Speaker 1>country is based on disinformation and lies. So of course

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<v Speaker 1>Fox is gonna get away with what it is that

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<v Speaker 1>they do because there's no accountability, there's no responsibility. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a reason why there is a force a movement around

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<v Speaker 1>wokeness and consciousness because we're tired of being lied to,

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<v Speaker 1>tired of being taken advantage of. And just when you think,

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<v Speaker 1>when you think, oh maybe we are going to reach

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<v Speaker 1>the mountaintop, maybe the arc is actually bending, you realize

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<v Speaker 1>that it was a mirage. Just like our democracy. There

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<v Speaker 1>are days when I say to you that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure what it is some days that I'm fighting for

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<v Speaker 1>that we're all fighting for. Is it the promise of America? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>the promise that it will live up to its creed.

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<v Speaker 1>But promises are only as good as the people who

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<v Speaker 1>are making them. So you know, the dominion case, much

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<v Speaker 1>like how we are learning about Clarence Thomas, how we

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<v Speaker 1>are learning more about Donald Trump, how we are learning

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<v Speaker 1>about all of these rich, powerful people who are able

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<v Speaker 1>to manipulate and take advantage of systems because that is

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<v Speaker 1>who the systems were built to protect. They have the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of us scraping around and fighting for the crumbs

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<v Speaker 1>that they leave behind, filling our heads with this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, we all must fight while the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of them live lives of leisure. I'm just so outdone

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<v Speaker 1>these days, so outdone. But coming up next my conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with my friend who I love, love, love love when

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Yate Sexton joins the show. He is the author

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<v Speaker 1>of The Midnight Kingdom, The History of Power, Power, Nooria,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Coming Crisis. Whenever Jared and I get a

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<v Speaker 1>chance to chat, we delve into the big picture, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to the big picture how all of these things are

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<v Speaker 1>tied together. And that is more of what is coming

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<v Speaker 1>up next, folks. I am always so happy when I

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<v Speaker 1>get to chat with my friend jaredy Ate Sexton. You

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<v Speaker 1>know him as the author of The Midnight Kingdom, A

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<v Speaker 1>History of Power, Paranoia and the Coming Crisis, and also

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<v Speaker 1>co host of the podcast The Muckrakers, Jared Like, it

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<v Speaker 1>has been a wild first quarter movement to second quarter

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<v Speaker 1>of this new year in America. I mean, first off,

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<v Speaker 1>we've had more mass shootings than we have had days

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<v Speaker 1>in the year. We are watching Republicans not only in Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 1>but in Nebraska, in Missouri, in Florida, across this country

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<v Speaker 1>take their hoods off, and there's no quiet part anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>They're on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Floor of state houses just saying everything that we've always known,

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<v Speaker 1>that we've been talking about, we've been tweeting about, but

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<v Speaker 1>that they've tried to be underhanded. Oh we're not racist,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh we don't hate women. And yet now it is

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<v Speaker 1>just so apparent the like the direction that they want

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<v Speaker 1>this country to go in. So I just want you

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<v Speaker 1>to just you know, off the top. Just the last

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<v Speaker 1>several weeks have just felt like drinking from a fire

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<v Speaker 1>hose in terms of like white supremacy and patriarchy, like

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<v Speaker 1>it it is just inundating us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know, to go ahead and go off

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<v Speaker 3>on a couple of things here. First of all, and

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<v Speaker 3>I know that you've followed this too. I have gotten

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<v Speaker 3>such a great enjoyment over the past week or so

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<v Speaker 3>watching respectable Republicans come out of the groundwork to defend

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<v Speaker 3>a billionaire who has bought off the Supreme Court, but

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<v Speaker 3>to defend him for displaying throughout his entire home Nazi memorabilia.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I always like to explain to people because everybody

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<v Speaker 3>thinks that the Republican Party is just sort of a

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<v Speaker 3>monolithic structure, right because and people always compared to the Democrats,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Democrats it's like herding cats. They're all over

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<v Speaker 3>the place. The Republicans have a lot of different groups

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<v Speaker 3>within their very very small white tint. And part of

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<v Speaker 3>that group is what I would call professional Republicans for

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<v Speaker 3>country club Republicans. These are very very wealthy white people who,

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<v Speaker 3>by the way, many of them were educated at the

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<v Speaker 3>Ivy League schools that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know they condemn and say the right, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Ted Kruzell, you know, an aid will hand him a

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<v Speaker 3>car hard jacket that still has the hangar on it,

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<v Speaker 3>and he'll put it on and he'll say, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>regular guy and go to Yale. Right, And meanwhile, they're

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<v Speaker 3>all just absolute frauds. Those people, for the most part,

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<v Speaker 3>have been pretty good at promoting respectability right. They know

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<v Speaker 3>exactly what all of these polls say. They know what

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<v Speaker 3>they're crypto Nazi people tell them that they're supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>say in order to hide exactly who they are and

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<v Speaker 3>what they believe. These people that you were talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>and we were talking about before we start recording state

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<v Speaker 3>legislatures like are full of some of the most idiotic

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<v Speaker 3>politicians in the country. These are people who the they

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<v Speaker 3>won because they're in gerrymander districts, because they're cousins of

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, the County Goo director. Maybe they were

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<v Speaker 3>the first person that they found who didn't have a

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<v Speaker 3>felony record, and maybe they even had some felony records

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<v Speaker 3>and it, you know, didn't reach a certain point. These

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<v Speaker 3>people are getting the exact same playbook that those high

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<v Speaker 3>folutant billionaire Republicans, including Harlan Crowe, they paid for all

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<v Speaker 3>of this to be done in all of these legislatures

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, they have their fingers in all of

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<v Speaker 3>these pies. None of these legislators are coming up with

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff. None of them have cooked it up in

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<v Speaker 3>their own mind. They're not writing the bills. This is

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<v Speaker 3>basically being handed out by all these institutes, all at

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<v Speaker 3>once and being coordinated. They can't be intelligent about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they have no idea how to play the game right.

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<v Speaker 3>All of the you know, Bill Crystal and all of

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<v Speaker 3>these other like old respectable Republicans who claim things you know,

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<v Speaker 3>went to ellwhen Donald Trump came around. Those people know

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<v Speaker 3>how to do the game.

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<v Speaker 2>But what we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually seeing from those idiots that we're talking about is

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<v Speaker 3>what's actually happening and what's always been happening, which is racist,

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<v Speaker 3>classes and obic, you name it, misogynistic, All of that

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<v Speaker 3>stuff is at the heart of it. It's just those

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<v Speaker 3>people don't have the intelligence or the media training or

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<v Speaker 3>the cultural sort of code switching abilities that has always

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<v Speaker 3>hidden what's been at the core of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I love the fact that you broke down

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<v Speaker 1>like the layers and the and the essentially the casts

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<v Speaker 1>right that sit inside of the Republican Party, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to what you said about

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<v Speaker 1>Harlan Crowe, who is just like a almost a comic

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<v Speaker 1>book villain character in his Garden of Evil that he

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<v Speaker 1>has in his sign copy of mind coomp in his

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<v Speaker 1>Nazi cocktail, napkins that are just strown around, strown about

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<v Speaker 1>and he is a multi billionaire backer and has been

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<v Speaker 1>the one folks, if you if you recall it there

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<v Speaker 1>following this story that has you know, hosted Thomas, Clarence Thomas,

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<v Speaker 1>and Ginny Thomas on lavish trips funded Ginny Thomas's quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote nonprofit organizations that she pays herself out of, has

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<v Speaker 1>been the mastermind behind creating policies that have found their

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<v Speaker 1>way to move up to the Supreme Court, which he

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<v Speaker 1>has purchased like a like a little signatore on monopoly

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<v Speaker 1>and has been able from Citizens United to Shelby County

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<v Speaker 1>to the Dobs case and many in between to create

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of Christian fascist reality that we are living

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<v Speaker 1>in right now.

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<v Speaker 2>This has been behind.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're looking at Harlan Crowe, You're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>Leo Leonard from the Federalist Society, You're looking at Clarence Thomas,

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<v Speaker 1>who is there like pawn in the middle, and it

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<v Speaker 1>is it is seeming so wild to me, Jared, that

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<v Speaker 1>we find ourselves at this place and these people have

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<v Speaker 1>been making these iterative moves over the course of three decades.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. And by the way, I want to point

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<v Speaker 3>this out, and you know, this as well as I do.

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<v Speaker 3>And this might be something. And I always like to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about this because it actually pulls the curtain back

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<v Speaker 3>on a lot of this people like all the time

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<v Speaker 3>they look around, they're like, man, Ben Shapiro, all these guys,

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<v Speaker 3>they've got millions of subscribers and views, and oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess this is like a real ideology that people

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<v Speaker 3>believe in. It's not at all like the Republican conservative

0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.320
<v Speaker 3>ideology is so small like it is. And again, like

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<v Speaker 3>you go back to what I was talking about with

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<v Speaker 3>the country club sort of Harlan Crowe set, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>very small group of people. And whenever you peel back

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<v Speaker 3>the layers to see what's behind a Republican conservative media

0:19:56.200 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 3>operation and personality, it's it's it's Crow, it's the Bradley's,

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<v Speaker 3>the devices, it's the Kokes. It's the same people who

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<v Speaker 3>are keeping all these boats aflow, and not just that,

0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:11.800
<v Speaker 3>but creating fake follower accounts. They're creating fake views, they're

0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:15.000
<v Speaker 3>creating fake impressions. And what they're doing it for has

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<v Speaker 3>always been to make it seem like this very small

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<v Speaker 3>group of people is much larger. This is not a

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<v Speaker 3>viable national party. They don't have the numbers, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>like this thing that happens in our media. It has

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<v Speaker 3>the inability to really look at it. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>this poll that came out a couple of weeks ago

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<v Speaker 3>that said, oh my god, quote unquote, wokeness is popular

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<v Speaker 3>with eighty percent of the American public.

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<v Speaker 2>What you say today, right?

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, you know as well as I do,

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<v Speaker 3>that our media loves to pretend that every issue forty

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<v Speaker 3>five percent Democrat, forty five percent Republican, with ten percent

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle, and they're fighting over that ten percent.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not how America is set up. I know. So

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<v Speaker 3>this is a shock to some people, So I hope

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<v Speaker 3>they'll pull over or sit down before I say this.

0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:09.159
<v Speaker 3>This country was formulated to benefit a minority of white,

0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 3>wealthy people, and so all of our structures benefit that.

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<v Speaker 3>The Republican Party is not a national party anymore. They

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<v Speaker 3>only benefit based on that minoritarian idea that we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about here. As a result, these billionaires have outsized influence

0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.080
<v Speaker 3>and they're able to move all this stuff around. Look

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<v Speaker 3>at what happened with the Supreme Court. It's a backstop.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a minoritarian institution which we all know has been

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<v Speaker 3>used to limit human rights, to promote white supremacy, to

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<v Speaker 3>create conservative sort of dams. In terms of progress, it's

0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:46.800
<v Speaker 3>a regressive institution, always has. They've taken that over. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>why are they acting so aggressively in these red states?

0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:52.560
<v Speaker 3>Because they've been jerrymandered so hard that they own them.

0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:54.919
<v Speaker 3>And on top of that, it's all they have left.

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<v Speaker 3>And right now is the moment where the Republican Party

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<v Speaker 3>has had to make a choice. And this, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>since twenty twelve when Mitt Romney got washed out by

0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:09.520
<v Speaker 3>Barack Obama, we've both read that the autops here report

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<v Speaker 3>they knew they eyed their head to move away from

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<v Speaker 3>exclusively white male supremacy or they were going to continue

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<v Speaker 3>losing elections. Twenty sixteen rolls around. Donald Trump just completely

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<v Speaker 3>through that in the trash can. This is a losing brand.

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<v Speaker 3>They are crazy, unpopular freaks, even people who lean conservative.

0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:31.920
<v Speaker 3>They don't want people in their face talking about genital

0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:36.080
<v Speaker 3>examinations of children before swim meets. They don't want people

0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:41.400
<v Speaker 3>screaming about transhumanism and satanic cabals behind the scenes. They

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<v Speaker 3>are losing their popularity and what they have to do

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<v Speaker 3>is they have to seize control of those minoritarian institutions

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<v Speaker 3>and Harlan Crow and that people just like him are

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<v Speaker 3>paying all the money to make that happen before they

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<v Speaker 3>get washed out completely as a party and lose all viability,

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<v Speaker 3>and they need to go ahead and make all their

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<v Speaker 3>dreams come true right now, which right now, this is

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<v Speaker 3>like a was It's like the crash and dash burgl

0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:04.639
<v Speaker 3>They need to get in the store, they need to

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<v Speaker 3>get whatever they need to get out, and they need

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<v Speaker 3>to leave and they need to destroy democracy or else

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<v Speaker 3>they're finished.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so interesting because when you're given the option right

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<v Speaker 1>of creating policies people like for destroying democracy altogether, right

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<v Speaker 1>and understanding that, just as we have seen with these

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<v Speaker 1>last few mass shootings, that they're not absolved from that pain. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in the Tennessee shooting at the school you

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<v Speaker 1>had the first I believe the first Lady of Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>lost one of her best friends in that shooting. You

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<v Speaker 1>have over you know what has happened in Kentucky, and

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:50.600
<v Speaker 1>there are people on the force and the governor himself,

0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:55.520
<v Speaker 1>who is a Democrat, however, lost friends in that shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>They're creating, Jared, these these policies, right. You have Tennessee

0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:07.120
<v Speaker 1>was just about to pass their permitless conceal and carry.

0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>You have Florida passing, you know, these permit lists conceal

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 1>and carry laws. They're doing these things that are coming

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<v Speaker 1>down from on high, the billionaire is on high. But

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't it doesn't create a measure, a mechanism of

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<v Speaker 1>security or arm's lengthness from harm. So, like, talk to

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<v Speaker 1>me about this. We got to double down and get

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<v Speaker 1>everything this smashing grab of rights and freedoms. We got

0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:39.800
<v Speaker 1>to scoop it all up, right, then we got to

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<v Speaker 1>push out our white supremacist militias to defend all of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that we all of the rights that we

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<v Speaker 1>have scooped up because we're you know, proliferating the streets

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:52.480
<v Speaker 1>with guns, which is the point, right, because they know

0:24:52.560 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 1>that they're creating the climate and conditions for revolution, right,

0:24:57.760 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 1>because there's only so far that people will be pushed.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, when I put all of that together, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>is there a logic thread through this? Like I'll like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying, because you are creating the

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<v Speaker 1>conditions for your own demise.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and by the way. That's actually one of the

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<v Speaker 3>weirder things that I've been studying within the Republican sphere

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.399
<v Speaker 3>is so much of this is self destructive, right, because

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<v Speaker 3>literally nothing that we're talking about here, I just saw

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<v Speaker 3>this the other day, because you know, it's it's almost

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<v Speaker 3>like one of those things where the alerts come out

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<v Speaker 3>of these state legislatures and you're like, oh my god,

0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 3>you passed that. Like like I just saw a state

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<v Speaker 3>the other day, a red state just completely defunded all

0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>libraries Missouri, Missouri, and it's like, you do you do

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 3>you think people want that? You know, like does that

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<v Speaker 3>win somehow? And your culture war? You know, Malia. So

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:55.880
<v Speaker 3>part of what's happening is that they understand that there

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<v Speaker 3>are levers that they can use. They have to use outrage,

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<v Speaker 3>they have to use fear right. And this is something

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't totally understand until I wrote my last book,

0:26:04.240 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 3>Them in That Kingdom, which is this has always been

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<v Speaker 3>how it is the only way that conservatives and reactionaries

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:14.360
<v Speaker 3>win is if they're using these fear based appears right.

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<v Speaker 3>So for instance, not only is there a political incentive,

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 3>there's an economic incentive, right. So one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>I'm writing about today, is this bud Light backlash? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my two, Yes, I've been following your tweets about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So tell tell the.

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:35.239
<v Speaker 3>People bud Light decided that they needed to broaden their

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<v Speaker 3>their marketing and that they decided to go out and

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<v Speaker 3>try and get LGBTQ people to buy bud Light, so

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 3>they handed it to an influencer as transgendered. Meanwhile, the

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<v Speaker 3>right reacted completely normally. You know, they just lost their minds,

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 3>firing guns on this stuff, blowing up bud Light cans. Meanwhile,

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 3>there's a dangerous game that's happening here, right, because one

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 3>of the things that you're doing is on the right,

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<v Speaker 3>you are few within this angry white populace that has

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<v Speaker 3>been told for years that they're being replaced, that there's

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<v Speaker 3>a conspiracy against them, that the minorities are coming from them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, betrayed.

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 3>They have played a dangerous game telling them, guess what,

0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:19.920
<v Speaker 3>you're at war, and you're a warrior, and you are

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 3>going to take on the deep state. You need to

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.919
<v Speaker 3>buy all the guns, you need to get giant trucks,

0:27:25.000 --> 0:27:27.560
<v Speaker 3>you need to clad yourself in Second Amendment clothes, all

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<v Speaker 3>in that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Second Amendment clothes.

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<v Speaker 3>They know, they know that what they're doing is creating

0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 3>the fantasy of violence.

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, at some point or another, a.

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Fantasy of violence becomes violence. That is the way it works.

0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:46.520
<v Speaker 3>If you tell enough people you are a Second Amendment warrior,

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.080
<v Speaker 3>eventually some of them are gonna pop off. We've already

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:49.399
<v Speaker 3>seen that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, Kyle Rittenhouse and the person that Governor Abbott is

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:57.119
<v Speaker 1>trying to pardon the Texas And by the.

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<v Speaker 3>Way, those are the quote unquote loan wolves. That's know

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 3>what they are. They're the vanguard of what's coming, which

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 3>is more of this. And by the way, the problem

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.440
<v Speaker 3>with the through line is this because the right is

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:15.120
<v Speaker 3>not this completely homogenous structure. Right, There are different ideas.

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 3>There are some people who think, well, I will get

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:22.520
<v Speaker 3>this as close to mass violence as I possibly can. Right,

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 3>I'll go ahead and I'll figure out how to make

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 3>the most money, gain the most electoral power. But I

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:31.120
<v Speaker 3>don't want it to spill out. There are others and

0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:33.359
<v Speaker 3>we've seen them, we've heard them, and people like you

0:28:33.400 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 3>and me pay attention to these things. There are those

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 3>who are like, that's what I want. I want there

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.640
<v Speaker 3>to be violence. I want the total overthrow of democracy,

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 3>and there's a tug of war within the Republican tent

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 3>over who wins that, and right now, the direction in

0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 3>the trajectory is towards that. You know, It's like that

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 3>old idea of like how do you avoid running off

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 3>a cliff? Will you run as quick as you can

0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 3>at the cliff and then stop right like we're going

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 3>over the cliff, and we want to go over the cliff.

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 3>And that's what's winning within the Republican Party right now,

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 3>which just draws us closer and closer to more of

0:29:07.920 --> 0:29:08.560
<v Speaker 3>that violence.

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<v Speaker 1>What scares me is one that I don't see. And

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 1>you tell me if I'm I'm wrong, Jared, But I

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:23.440
<v Speaker 1>don't see a path to pull us back from the cliff.

0:29:24.640 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Right I feel like America is in that Looney Tunes cartoon,

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:36.240
<v Speaker 1>careening right in slow motion over the cliff, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe that there is anything to deter that from happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I look at the microcosm that we've been paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>to that unfolded in Tennessee with the Tennessee Three with

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<v Speaker 1>Gloria Johnson, Justin Pearson and Justin Jones, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>that Republican regime in Tennessee believe that they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to expel these people and no one was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be the wiser or give a damn right.

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<v Speaker 2>I genuinely believe that me too.

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<v Speaker 1>They created in in the Justins International Superstars right because

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<v Speaker 1>it was so blatant, blatant in its racism, dripping in

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<v Speaker 1>its white supremacy, that people couldn't turn their eyes away.

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<v Speaker 1>So when we see moves like that, but then we

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<v Speaker 1>see the reaction of the people, that gives me, gives

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<v Speaker 1>that mustard seed of hope that I have inside of me,

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:40.760
<v Speaker 1>makes it become, you know, a little field. For a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>I start to say, well, maybe that's the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>pulls us back from kreening. But we know about attention spans.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that in a couple of weeks, there'll be

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<v Speaker 1>another mass shooting, There'll be another egregious thing. In the

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<v Speaker 1>moments that we're watching the people of Tennessee awaken to

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<v Speaker 1>their power, we're also watching public libraries be defunded. We're

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<v Speaker 1>also watching folks get on the floor in the Nebraska

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<v Speaker 1>State Senate and talk about the fact that we need

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<v Speaker 1>a six week ban on abortions because we're losing white

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<v Speaker 1>babies we see, you know, like we foreigners are having

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<v Speaker 1>more babies than us, like literally saying these things. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, am I wrong? Am I being hyperbolic to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that we've already crossed the point of no return?

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<v Speaker 1>But where we're headed is going to be violent, is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>We just don't know the how.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. And by the way, I want to go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>And we have this phenomenon when we think about politics

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<v Speaker 3>and history, we end up in these like shallow pools.

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<v Speaker 3>We only think about it like within like a five

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<v Speaker 3>to ten year span. We don't think about the larger

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<v Speaker 3>sort of movements. I'm going to time travel back to

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<v Speaker 3>age long ago, the nineteen nineties, and you know, let's

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 3>go back to this period. There was another moment like this.

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<v Speaker 3>We're up on the thirtieth anniversary of the Waco Siege

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<v Speaker 3>with the branch Davidian. In the wake of that siege

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 3>and in the wake of Ruby Ridge, people of memory

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<v Speaker 3>hold that the Republican Party in the NRA also used

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<v Speaker 3>the same incentives we're talking about today in order to

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<v Speaker 3>increase their power, using paranoia of what the United States

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<v Speaker 3>government was doing and what was happening to white Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>They sold so many guns, they gained so many advantages.

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<v Speaker 3>You can go back to the conservative quote unquote revolution

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<v Speaker 3>all of that, and that was by playing footsie with

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<v Speaker 3>white supremacists and white militias around the country and going

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<v Speaker 3>ahead and doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on white supremacy.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess what happened. We ended up with Oklahoma City, one

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<v Speaker 3>of the worst domestic terrorist incidents in the history of

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<v Speaker 3>the country, in which this sought off person who all

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<v Speaker 3>these conspiracy theories decided to attack the federal government. What

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<v Speaker 3>happens after that? And umembersual as I do, there was

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of cooling down, right, just a little

0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 3>bit of cooling down of rhetoric that took place between

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<v Speaker 3>that bombing and then moving into September eleventh in the

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<v Speaker 3>War one. Well, guess what if you open up the

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<v Speaker 3>lens there, it tells a different story. It's not that

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<v Speaker 3>it went away, it's that it changed and it moved

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<v Speaker 3>and we're in another period like that. January sixth should

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<v Speaker 3>have changed everything. In a sane country. First of all,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have January six But then you have a

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<v Speaker 3>country that actually looks at it and says, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>we need to stop this. The breaks are beaten off

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<v Speaker 3>this thing. The question is what kind of violence it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be. I completely agree at this point it's

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not we're going to see widespread violence. If

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to see a continuing balkanization. Are we going

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<v Speaker 3>to see another person, you know, attack a federal building.

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<v Speaker 3>Are we going to see assassinations? Are we going to

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<v Speaker 3>see any of that stuff? It's starting to look more

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<v Speaker 3>like the period between the main world Wars and the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixties nineteen seventies, which was an incredible amount of violence.

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<v Speaker 3>But what happened there. What happened was we saw younger people.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw grassroots movements, civil rights protesters, you name it,

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.279
<v Speaker 3>people who came in and said enough of this right.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think we're getting to the point where we're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing those things grow. I think, you know, not just

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<v Speaker 3>test scene, not just BLM, but also with the organizers

0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 3>and labor unions that are growing, I think we're starting

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<v Speaker 3>to see a push back against it. The question is

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<v Speaker 3>can we gain enough speed in order to curb this

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<v Speaker 3>before it turns into just an unthinkable amount of violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Last question for you, Jared, is is I want to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the beginning of our conversation where we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Harlan Crow and the echo chamber that has

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<v Speaker 1>been able to be created for to create this false

0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.680
<v Speaker 1>idea that these people are the majority, that their ideology

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<v Speaker 1>is the majority. Have Democrats in your mind, then democratic

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<v Speaker 1>leadership fallen for that ropodope to believe right in this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of belief that they need to placate to this

0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 1>imaginary middle right in order to win national office, in

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<v Speaker 1>order to you know, sustain their tent. Because if in

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<v Speaker 1>fact the echo chamber is nothing but a house of mirrors, right,

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<v Speaker 1>a house of speakers, and it's it's only but a

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:38.399
<v Speaker 1>small group of people talking, then have they fallen for it?

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<v Speaker 1>And is there any recourse if you think that that

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<v Speaker 1>is the case.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean again, there's a multi praying to answer

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<v Speaker 3>with this. And first things first, you know, ideology is

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.160
<v Speaker 3>a funny thing, right. We think that people are won

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<v Speaker 3>over by arguments sometimes and like they change their entire opinions. Actually,

0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.760
<v Speaker 3>when you look at the numbers, it's more people find

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 3>things that echo what it is that they all rn believe.

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<v Speaker 3>And so if you actually look at sort of the

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:05.640
<v Speaker 3>right word turn of the Democratic Party in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>nineties with Bill Clinton and even Joe Biden, they said,

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<v Speaker 3>you had to go after this mythical independent voter. They

0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.840
<v Speaker 3>believe that not because they necessarily understood the electorate, but

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 3>because it reflected their own personal beliefs about how government

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:23.360
<v Speaker 3>should work. They were illiberals. They were actually centrist and

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<v Speaker 3>right center right. They actually wanted to go ahead and

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 3>frame it that way in order to go ahead and

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<v Speaker 3>get their way and push what they wanted. I think

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<v Speaker 3>there are some Democrats who believe it, but it's also

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<v Speaker 3>just a reflection of the fact they don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>change anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>There are a lot of Democratic leaders who are very

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<v Speaker 3>happy with the Democratic Party now being the guardians of

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<v Speaker 3>the status quo. We're not going to talk about, you know,

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 3>distribution of wealth. We're not going to talk about race.

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 3>We're not going to talk about white supremacy. We're not

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<v Speaker 3>even going to make sure the gay and trans people

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<v Speaker 3>are safe, or that black people in the South can vote.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not going to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Well with the independent voter. Guess what it does. It

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<v Speaker 3>already has been shown to do that. It's a self

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 3>serving fantasy, and it's not for some of them they've

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.800
<v Speaker 3>been won over by that fantasy, and others it's exactly

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 3>what they want and it's exactly how they want to

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 3>operate as politicians. But I do think that what we're

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<v Speaker 3>seeing again from younger people, they reject this garbage, and

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.799
<v Speaker 3>they why we have so many young independents who say,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what neither party does for us. The Republicans

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:26.719
<v Speaker 3>are fascists. The Democrats are doing what they need to do.

0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 3>We don't care if they're kneeling during the BLM protest,

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<v Speaker 3>like where are the results? I think what we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to see is a generational shift, and I think small

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 3>little stories, you know, like the Diane Feinstein thing, the

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.640
<v Speaker 3>ringing of the hands over Joe Biden running for another term.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're going to see a generational turnover that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to change how these parties work eventually at some point,

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<v Speaker 3>if we can get there, if free and fair elections continue,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's hoping.

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<v Speaker 1>Jarry. As always, thank you for making the time to

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<v Speaker 1>have just such in depth and ground us in historical

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<v Speaker 1>conversation that I think is really important to make sense.

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Of where we are right now. So as always, I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you well Danielle.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. You're one of my favorite people. I hate

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<v Speaker 3>that we have to get together and talk about all

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>One day we'll talk about something good.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that day will be, but it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be good. That is it for me today, Dear friends

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<v Speaker 1>on wokef as always, power to the people and to

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<v Speaker 1>all the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.