1 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WOKF Daily with Meet 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: I want to start off today's show with talking about 4 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Dominion and the lawsuit that Dominion had with Fox that 5 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: they have now settled for seven hundred and eighty seven 6 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: million dollars. First, the mainstream media's conversation around this settlement 7 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: is bullshit. And let me tell you why. They keep saying, 8 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is a windfall largest settlement, blah 9 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. Fox is a multi billion dollar 10 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: fucking company, Okay, like as well as it's CEO is 11 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: a multi billionaire. They are insulated from this shit. Insurance 12 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: we'll probably cover it. Now, folks, I'm not a lawyer, 13 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: right or have do I have an MBA? And some 14 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: have said to me, well, insurance may not cover it 15 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: because their Dominion was able to show intent right with 16 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: all of their findings through their own investigation and through 17 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: testimony and the text messages and the floods of emails 18 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: and the voicemails and all of these things. But seven 19 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty seven million dollars to a multi billion 20 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: dollar company into a multi billionaire is not a big deal, right. 21 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: You can brush that off like us as commoners, right, 22 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: we think to ourselves, oh my god, yes, that's a 23 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: ton of money. I could live and have generations a 24 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: family live with that kind of wealth. The issue here 25 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: is that we all thought that this case was truly 26 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: about democracy and the fourth estate, meaning journalism as a whole. 27 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: Fox has been able to lie to their viewers, not 28 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: just about dominion having a key role in, you know, 29 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: throwing the election to Biden, and the lies that every 30 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: single one of their hosts told knowing that they were lying. 31 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: They've lied about all whole host of things. 32 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: They spread the lie around COVID and saying that it 33 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: was a democratic hoax. They've upheld the lie around Hunter 34 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: Biden's laptop, They've upheld the lie around Hillary Clinton, around 35 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Barack Obama not being from this country, like, They've upheld 36 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: a lot of lies. And so we all thought that 37 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: this lawsuit was going to be an opportunity to really 38 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: secure journalistic integrity and to uphold our democratic institutions. But 39 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: silly us, because in a capitalistic, greedy society, as Wu 40 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: Tang clan wrapped so many decades ago, cash rules everything 41 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: around me. Cream get the money, dalla dolla bill y'all. 42 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: That is exactly what Dominion did, and they had the 43 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: audacity to send their lawyers out in a press conference saying, oh, well, 44 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: money is accountability for who? Because the tens of millions 45 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: of people that tune into Fox News every day don't 46 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: even know that this case existed. And guess what else 47 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: happens with their settlement. There's going to be no right, 48 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: no sharing with their audience, no forced overture by Fox 49 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: to say we lied to you about the twenty twenty election. 50 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: The twenty twenty election was not stolen. The twenty twenty 51 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: election was free and fair election. Dominion machines had nothing 52 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: to do with uh with overturning the election or giving 53 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: it to Joe Biden, And we apologize for the lies 54 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: that we have spread. That also, by the way, had 55 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: thousands of people take up arms to go quote unquote 56 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: take their country back. None of that is going to 57 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: happen because there was no contingency on top of the 58 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: money for there to be an admission to their audiences 59 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:40,840 Speaker 1: about their lives. So Fox gets to give a little 60 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: bit of their lunch money over to dominion and their 61 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: viewers are none the wiser, and our democracy hangs over 62 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: a cliff. So it's extraordinarily disappointing. And I don't even 63 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: think disappointing is the right fucking word. I just every 64 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 1: time that I think that we are getting to a 65 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: place where people are becoming conscious of what is happening, 66 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: where the uber rich and the evil puppet masters behind 67 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: the attempts at authoritarianism and fascism in this country, when 68 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: I think that they're going to be held to account, 69 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: the rug is pulled out from under us, and it's like, 70 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: oh no, don't you worry. The wealthy, the white, and 71 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: the powerful. All they ever do in life is ever 72 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: have to pay a fine. Right, Fox is responsible for 73 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, the monster Fox is responsible, bears part of 74 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: the responsibility for the insurrection. Why did the insurrection happen? 75 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: It wasn't just that day down at the stop the 76 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: Steel Rally where Donald Trump pointed to the Capitol building 77 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: and told non armed insurrection is to go take their 78 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: country back. No, it was a series of lies that 79 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: were spread over the course of months, aid inebedded by 80 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: Fox News, knowingly. 81 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: Knowing the truth. 82 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: But they won't be held to account. So no, I 83 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: don't want to hear this bullshit narrative from the mainstream 84 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: media saying, oh, seven hundred and eighty seven million dollars. No, 85 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: if it was five billion, maybe I'd give a fuck. 86 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: If it was gonna bankrupt Fox, if it was going 87 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: to bankrupt the Murdocks, then maybe that would matter. If 88 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: it was gonna shudder the entire network and then send 89 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: a warning shot to other outlets like Newsmax and oh 90 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: An and all of these other right wing vessels of 91 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: hate and lies and disinformation, if it was going to 92 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: do that, I would say, bravo, Dominion, you've done it, 93 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: and you've earned the money that you're gonna walk away with. 94 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it seems as 95 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: if the only people that give a fuck about our 96 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,679 Speaker 1: democracy are the ones that are gonna bear the brunt 97 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: of this authoritarian regime because everybody else either got a 98 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: rocket to go to the fucking moon, to Mars and 99 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: leave the rest of us behind. You know, somebody tweeted 100 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: at me and it said, other countries, other nations have democracies, 101 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: and they don't seem to have to fight for them 102 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: as fucking hard as Americans. Are fighting for our democracy. 103 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: And I think that that's right. I think that you know, 104 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 1: much has been told about the story of you know, 105 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: those that are patriots that fight for their freedom and 106 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. But in a true demands 107 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: and not a Banana republic, do you have to continually 108 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: be in the streets, continually be vigilant or is that 109 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: just the story that we tell ourselves. I tell you that, 110 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, what America has done right, is that America 111 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: has the best pr best public relations of any country 112 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: in the world. It begins with the indoctrination that we 113 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: get as we enter into the doors of kindergarten until 114 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: we graduate right about America being great, about this wonderful land, 115 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: this beacon on a hill, about all of these wonderful people. 116 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: George Washington in the cherry tree and is wooden teeth. 117 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: You're not told the truth about George Washington, the slave owner, 118 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: the brutal slave master that ripped the teeth out of 119 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: his slave and put them into his own mouth. You're 120 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: not told the real story about Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings. No, 121 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: for white America, it's a love story. A love story 122 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: between a man who is twice the age of his 123 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: enslaved piece of property, a human being that he was 124 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: able to discard and use like a ball or a plate, 125 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: who had no choice, no bodily autonomy. But instead of 126 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: telling the truth about rape and enslavement and brutality, America 127 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: weave the tale of a love story. Everything in this 128 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: country is based on disinformation and lies. So of course 129 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: Fox is gonna get away with what it is that 130 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: they do because there's no accountability, there's no responsibility. There's 131 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: a reason why there is a force a movement around 132 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: wokeness and consciousness because we're tired of being lied to, 133 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: tired of being taken advantage of. And just when you think, 134 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: when you think, oh maybe we are going to reach 135 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: the mountaintop, maybe the arc is actually bending, you realize 136 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: that it was a mirage. Just like our democracy. There 137 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: are days when I say to you that I'm not 138 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: sure what it is some days that I'm fighting for 139 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: that we're all fighting for. Is it the promise of America? Right, 140 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: the promise that it will live up to its creed. 141 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: But promises are only as good as the people who 142 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: are making them. So you know, the dominion case, much 143 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: like how we are learning about Clarence Thomas, how we 144 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: are learning more about Donald Trump, how we are learning 145 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: about all of these rich, powerful people who are able 146 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: to manipulate and take advantage of systems because that is 147 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: who the systems were built to protect. They have the 148 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: rest of us scraping around and fighting for the crumbs 149 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: that they leave behind, filling our heads with this idea 150 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: that you know, we all must fight while the rest 151 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: of them live lives of leisure. I'm just so outdone 152 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 1: these days, so outdone. But coming up next my conversation 153 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: with my friend who I love, love, love love when 154 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: Jared Yate Sexton joins the show. He is the author 155 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: of The Midnight Kingdom, The History of Power, Power, Nooria, 156 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: and the Coming Crisis. Whenever Jared and I get a 157 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: chance to chat, we delve into the big picture, you know, 158 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: to the big picture how all of these things are 159 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: tied together. And that is more of what is coming 160 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: up next, folks. I am always so happy when I 161 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: get to chat with my friend jaredy Ate Sexton. You 162 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: know him as the author of The Midnight Kingdom, A 163 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: History of Power, Paranoia and the Coming Crisis, and also 164 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: co host of the podcast The Muckrakers, Jared Like, it 165 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: has been a wild first quarter movement to second quarter 166 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: of this new year in America. I mean, first off, 167 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: we've had more mass shootings than we have had days 168 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: in the year. We are watching Republicans not only in Tennessee, 169 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: but in Nebraska, in Missouri, in Florida, across this country 170 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: take their hoods off, and there's no quiet part anymore. 171 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: They're on the. 172 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: Floor of state houses just saying everything that we've always known, 173 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: that we've been talking about, we've been tweeting about, but 174 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: that they've tried to be underhanded. Oh we're not racist, 175 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Oh we don't hate women. And yet now it is 176 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: just so apparent the like the direction that they want 177 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: this country to go in. So I just want you 178 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 1: to just you know, off the top. Just the last 179 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: several weeks have just felt like drinking from a fire 180 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: hose in terms of like white supremacy and patriarchy, like 181 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: it it is just inundating us. 182 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, to go ahead and go off 183 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: on a couple of things here. First of all, and 184 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: I know that you've followed this too. I have gotten 185 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 3: such a great enjoyment over the past week or so 186 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: watching respectable Republicans come out of the groundwork to defend 187 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 3: a billionaire who has bought off the Supreme Court, but 188 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: to defend him for displaying throughout his entire home Nazi memorabilia. 189 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: Right. 190 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 3: And I always like to explain to people because everybody 191 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 3: thinks that the Republican Party is just sort of a 192 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 3: monolithic structure, right because and people always compared to the Democrats, 193 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: and the Democrats it's like herding cats. They're all over 194 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 3: the place. The Republicans have a lot of different groups 195 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: within their very very small white tint. And part of 196 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 3: that group is what I would call professional Republicans for 197 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 3: country club Republicans. These are very very wealthy white people who, 198 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: by the way, many of them were educated at the 199 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: Ivy League schools that. 200 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: You know they condemn and say the right, you know. 201 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: Ted Kruzell, you know, an aid will hand him a 202 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: car hard jacket that still has the hangar on it, 203 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: and he'll put it on and he'll say, I'm a 204 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 3: regular guy and go to Yale. Right, And meanwhile, they're 205 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 3: all just absolute frauds. Those people, for the most part, 206 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: have been pretty good at promoting respectability right. They know 207 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: exactly what all of these polls say. They know what 208 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 3: they're crypto Nazi people tell them that they're supposed to 209 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: say in order to hide exactly who they are and 210 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: what they believe. These people that you were talking about, 211 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: and we were talking about before we start recording state 212 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: legislatures like are full of some of the most idiotic 213 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: politicians in the country. These are people who the they 214 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 3: won because they're in gerrymander districts, because they're cousins of 215 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, the County Goo director. Maybe they were 216 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 3: the first person that they found who didn't have a 217 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: felony record, and maybe they even had some felony records 218 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: and it, you know, didn't reach a certain point. These 219 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 3: people are getting the exact same playbook that those high 220 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: folutant billionaire Republicans, including Harlan Crowe, they paid for all 221 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: of this to be done in all of these legislatures 222 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 3: that you know, they have their fingers in all of 223 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 3: these pies. None of these legislators are coming up with 224 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: this stuff. None of them have cooked it up in 225 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: their own mind. They're not writing the bills. This is 226 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: basically being handed out by all these institutes, all at 227 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: once and being coordinated. They can't be intelligent about it. Yeah, 228 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: they have no idea how to play the game right. 229 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 3: All of the you know, Bill Crystal and all of 230 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: these other like old respectable Republicans who claim things you know, 231 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: went to ellwhen Donald Trump came around. Those people know 232 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: how to do the game. 233 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: But what we're. 234 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: Actually seeing from those idiots that we're talking about is 235 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: what's actually happening and what's always been happening, which is racist, 236 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 3: classes and obic, you name it, misogynistic, All of that 237 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 3: stuff is at the heart of it. It's just those 238 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 3: people don't have the intelligence or the media training or 239 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: the cultural sort of code switching abilities that has always 240 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 3: hidden what's been at the core of this stuff. 241 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: You know, I love the fact that you broke down 242 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: like the layers and the and the essentially the casts 243 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: right that sit inside of the Republican Party, because you know, 244 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: I want to go back to what you said about 245 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: Harlan Crowe, who is just like a almost a comic 246 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: book villain character in his Garden of Evil that he 247 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: has in his sign copy of mind coomp in his 248 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: Nazi cocktail, napkins that are just strown around, strown about 249 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: and he is a multi billionaire backer and has been 250 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: the one folks, if you if you recall it there 251 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: following this story that has you know, hosted Thomas, Clarence Thomas, 252 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: and Ginny Thomas on lavish trips funded Ginny Thomas's quote 253 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: unquote nonprofit organizations that she pays herself out of, has 254 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: been the mastermind behind creating policies that have found their 255 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: way to move up to the Supreme Court, which he 256 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: has purchased like a like a little signatore on monopoly 257 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: and has been able from Citizens United to Shelby County 258 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: to the Dobs case and many in between to create 259 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: this kind of Christian fascist reality that we are living 260 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: in right now. 261 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 2: This has been behind. 262 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you're looking at Harlan Crowe, You're looking at 263 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: Leo Leonard from the Federalist Society, You're looking at Clarence Thomas, 264 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: who is there like pawn in the middle, and it 265 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 1: is it is seeming so wild to me, Jared, that 266 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: we find ourselves at this place and these people have 267 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: been making these iterative moves over the course of three decades. 268 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: That's right. And by the way, I want to point 269 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 3: this out, and you know, this as well as I do. 270 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: And this might be something. And I always like to 271 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 3: talk about this because it actually pulls the curtain back 272 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: on a lot of this people like all the time 273 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 3: they look around, they're like, man, Ben Shapiro, all these guys, 274 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: they've got millions of subscribers and views, and oh my god, 275 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: I guess this is like a real ideology that people 276 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 3: believe in. It's not at all like the Republican conservative 277 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 3: ideology is so small like it is. And again, like 278 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 3: you go back to what I was talking about with 279 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 3: the country club sort of Harlan Crowe set, there's a 280 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: very small group of people. And whenever you peel back 281 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 3: the layers to see what's behind a Republican conservative media 282 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: operation and personality, it's it's it's Crow, it's the Bradley's, 283 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 3: the devices, it's the Kokes. It's the same people who 284 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,640 Speaker 3: are keeping all these boats aflow, and not just that, 285 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: but creating fake follower accounts. They're creating fake views, they're 286 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: creating fake impressions. And what they're doing it for has 287 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: always been to make it seem like this very small 288 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 3: group of people is much larger. This is not a 289 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 3: viable national party. They don't have the numbers, and it's 290 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 3: like this thing that happens in our media. It has 291 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 3: the inability to really look at it. It was like 292 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: this poll that came out a couple of weeks ago 293 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 3: that said, oh my god, quote unquote, wokeness is popular 294 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 3: with eighty percent of the American public. 295 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: What you say today, right? 296 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 3: And by the way, you know as well as I do, 297 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,479 Speaker 3: that our media loves to pretend that every issue forty 298 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: five percent Democrat, forty five percent Republican, with ten percent 299 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 3: in the middle, and they're fighting over that ten percent. 300 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,040 Speaker 3: That's not how America is set up. I know. So 301 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 3: this is a shock to some people, So I hope 302 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 3: they'll pull over or sit down before I say this. 303 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 3: This country was formulated to benefit a minority of white, 304 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 3: wealthy people, and so all of our structures benefit that. 305 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 3: The Republican Party is not a national party anymore. They 306 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 3: only benefit based on that minoritarian idea that we're talking 307 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: about here. As a result, these billionaires have outsized influence 308 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: and they're able to move all this stuff around. Look 309 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: at what happened with the Supreme Court. It's a backstop. 310 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: It's a minoritarian institution which we all know has been 311 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 3: used to limit human rights, to promote white supremacy, to 312 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 3: create conservative sort of dams. In terms of progress, it's 313 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 3: a regressive institution, always has. They've taken that over. Meanwhile, 314 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 3: why are they acting so aggressively in these red states? 315 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: Because they've been jerrymandered so hard that they own them. 316 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 3: And on top of that, it's all they have left. 317 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 3: And right now is the moment where the Republican Party 318 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 3: has had to make a choice. And this, by the way, 319 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 3: since twenty twelve when Mitt Romney got washed out by 320 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 3: Barack Obama, we've both read that the autops here report 321 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 3: they knew they eyed their head to move away from 322 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: exclusively white male supremacy or they were going to continue 323 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 3: losing elections. Twenty sixteen rolls around. Donald Trump just completely 324 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 3: through that in the trash can. This is a losing brand. 325 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 3: They are crazy, unpopular freaks, even people who lean conservative. 326 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 3: They don't want people in their face talking about genital 327 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 3: examinations of children before swim meets. They don't want people 328 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 3: screaming about transhumanism and satanic cabals behind the scenes. They 329 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: are losing their popularity and what they have to do 330 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: is they have to seize control of those minoritarian institutions 331 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 3: and Harlan Crow and that people just like him are 332 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,400 Speaker 3: paying all the money to make that happen before they 333 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 3: get washed out completely as a party and lose all viability, 334 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 3: and they need to go ahead and make all their 335 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: dreams come true right now, which right now, this is 336 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 3: like a was It's like the crash and dash burgl 337 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 3: They need to get in the store, they need to 338 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 3: get whatever they need to get out, and they need 339 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 3: to leave and they need to destroy democracy or else 340 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: they're finished. 341 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: That's it. 342 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 2: You know. 343 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: It's so interesting because when you're given the option right 344 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: of creating policies people like for destroying democracy altogether, right 345 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: and understanding that, just as we have seen with these 346 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: last few mass shootings, that they're not absolved from that pain. Right. 347 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: It was in the Tennessee shooting at the school you 348 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: had the first I believe the first Lady of Tennessee 349 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: lost one of her best friends in that shooting. You 350 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: have over you know what has happened in Kentucky, and 351 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: there are people on the force and the governor himself, 352 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: who is a Democrat, however, lost friends in that shooting. 353 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: They're creating, Jared, these these policies, right. You have Tennessee 354 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: was just about to pass their permitless conceal and carry. 355 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: You have Florida passing, you know, these permit lists conceal 356 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: and carry laws. They're doing these things that are coming 357 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 1: down from on high, the billionaire is on high. But 358 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't create a measure, a mechanism of 359 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: security or arm's lengthness from harm. So, like, talk to 360 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: me about this. We got to double down and get 361 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: everything this smashing grab of rights and freedoms. We got 362 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: to scoop it all up, right, then we got to 363 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: push out our white supremacist militias to defend all of 364 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: the things that we all of the rights that we 365 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: have scooped up because we're you know, proliferating the streets 366 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: with guns, which is the point, right, because they know 367 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: that they're creating the climate and conditions for revolution, right, 368 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: because there's only so far that people will be pushed. 369 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: So well, when I put all of that together, I mean, 370 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: is there a logic thread through this? Like I'll like, 371 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because you are creating the 372 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: conditions for your own demise. 373 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the way. That's actually one of the 374 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 3: weirder things that I've been studying within the Republican sphere 375 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 3: is so much of this is self destructive, right, because 376 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 3: literally nothing that we're talking about here, I just saw 377 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 3: this the other day, because you know, it's it's almost 378 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: like one of those things where the alerts come out 379 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: of these state legislatures and you're like, oh my god, 380 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 3: you passed that. Like like I just saw a state 381 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 3: the other day, a red state just completely defunded all 382 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 3: libraries Missouri, Missouri, and it's like, you do you do 383 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 3: you think people want that? You know, like does that 384 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: win somehow? And your culture war? You know, Malia. So 385 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 3: part of what's happening is that they understand that there 386 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 3: are levers that they can use. They have to use outrage, 387 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 3: they have to use fear right. And this is something 388 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 3: I didn't totally understand until I wrote my last book, 389 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 3: Them in That Kingdom, which is this has always been 390 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: how it is the only way that conservatives and reactionaries 391 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 3: win is if they're using these fear based appears right. 392 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: So for instance, not only is there a political incentive, 393 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: there's an economic incentive, right. So one of the things 394 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 3: I'm writing about today, is this bud Light backlash? Right? 395 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,479 Speaker 1: Oh my two, Yes, I've been following your tweets about it. 396 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 2: So tell tell the. 397 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:35,239 Speaker 3: People bud Light decided that they needed to broaden their 398 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 3: their marketing and that they decided to go out and 399 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 3: try and get LGBTQ people to buy bud Light, so 400 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 3: they handed it to an influencer as transgendered. Meanwhile, the 401 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 3: right reacted completely normally. You know, they just lost their minds, 402 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 3: firing guns on this stuff, blowing up bud Light cans. Meanwhile, 403 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: there's a dangerous game that's happening here, right, because one 404 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: of the things that you're doing is on the right, 405 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 3: you are few within this angry white populace that has 406 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 3: been told for years that they're being replaced, that there's 407 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 3: a conspiracy against them, that the minorities are coming from them. 408 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, betrayed. 409 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 3: They have played a dangerous game telling them, guess what, 410 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 3: you're at war, and you're a warrior, and you are 411 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: going to take on the deep state. You need to 412 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 3: buy all the guns, you need to get giant trucks, 413 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: you need to clad yourself in Second Amendment clothes, all 414 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 3: in that stuff. 415 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 2: Second Amendment clothes. 416 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 3: They know, they know that what they're doing is creating 417 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 3: the fantasy of violence. 418 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,160 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, at some point or another, a. 419 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 3: Fantasy of violence becomes violence. That is the way it works. 420 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 3: If you tell enough people you are a Second Amendment warrior, 421 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 3: eventually some of them are gonna pop off. We've already 422 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 3: seen that. 423 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: Yep, Kyle Rittenhouse and the person that Governor Abbott is 424 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: trying to pardon the Texas And by the. 425 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 3: Way, those are the quote unquote loan wolves. That's know 426 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 3: what they are. They're the vanguard of what's coming, which 427 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: is more of this. And by the way, the problem 428 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 3: with the through line is this because the right is 429 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 3: not this completely homogenous structure. Right, There are different ideas. 430 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: There are some people who think, well, I will get 431 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 3: this as close to mass violence as I possibly can. Right, 432 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 3: I'll go ahead and I'll figure out how to make 433 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 3: the most money, gain the most electoral power. But I 434 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 3: don't want it to spill out. There are others and 435 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 3: we've seen them, we've heard them, and people like you 436 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 3: and me pay attention to these things. There are those 437 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 3: who are like, that's what I want. I want there 438 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 3: to be violence. I want the total overthrow of democracy, 439 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: and there's a tug of war within the Republican tent 440 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: over who wins that, and right now, the direction in 441 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: the trajectory is towards that. You know, It's like that 442 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: old idea of like how do you avoid running off 443 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 3: a cliff? Will you run as quick as you can 444 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: at the cliff and then stop right like we're going 445 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 3: over the cliff, and we want to go over the cliff. 446 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 3: And that's what's winning within the Republican Party right now, 447 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 3: which just draws us closer and closer to more of 448 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: that violence. 449 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: What scares me is one that I don't see. And 450 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: you tell me if I'm I'm wrong, Jared, But I 451 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: don't see a path to pull us back from the cliff. 452 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: Right I feel like America is in that Looney Tunes cartoon, 453 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: careening right in slow motion over the cliff, and I 454 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: don't believe that there is anything to deter that from happening. 455 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: Now. 456 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: I look at the microcosm that we've been paying attention 457 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: to that unfolded in Tennessee with the Tennessee Three with 458 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: Gloria Johnson, Justin Pearson and Justin Jones, and you know 459 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: that Republican regime in Tennessee believe that they were going 460 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: to expel these people and no one was going to 461 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: be the wiser or give a damn right. 462 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,959 Speaker 2: I genuinely believe that me too. 463 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: They created in in the Justins International Superstars right because 464 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: it was so blatant, blatant in its racism, dripping in 465 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: its white supremacy, that people couldn't turn their eyes away. 466 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: So when we see moves like that, but then we 467 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: see the reaction of the people, that gives me, gives 468 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: that mustard seed of hope that I have inside of me, 469 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: makes it become, you know, a little field. For a moment, 470 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: I start to say, well, maybe that's the thing that 471 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: pulls us back from kreening. But we know about attention spans. 472 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: We know that in a couple of weeks, there'll be 473 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: another mass shooting, There'll be another egregious thing. In the 474 00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: moments that we're watching the people of Tennessee awaken to 475 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: their power, we're also watching public libraries be defunded. We're 476 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: also watching folks get on the floor in the Nebraska 477 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: State Senate and talk about the fact that we need 478 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: a six week ban on abortions because we're losing white 479 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: babies we see, you know, like we foreigners are having 480 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: more babies than us, like literally saying these things. So 481 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, am I wrong? Am I being hyperbolic to 482 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: believe that we've already crossed the point of no return? 483 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: But where we're headed is going to be violent, is 484 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: going to be dangerous. 485 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: We just don't know the how. 486 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: Well. And by the way, I want to go ahead. 487 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 3: And we have this phenomenon when we think about politics 488 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: and history, we end up in these like shallow pools. 489 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 3: We only think about it like within like a five 490 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 3: to ten year span. We don't think about the larger 491 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 3: sort of movements. I'm going to time travel back to 492 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 3: age long ago, the nineteen nineties, and you know, let's 493 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 3: go back to this period. There was another moment like this. 494 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 3: We're up on the thirtieth anniversary of the Waco Siege 495 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 3: with the branch Davidian. In the wake of that siege 496 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 3: and in the wake of Ruby Ridge, people of memory 497 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 3: hold that the Republican Party in the NRA also used 498 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 3: the same incentives we're talking about today in order to 499 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 3: increase their power, using paranoia of what the United States 500 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 3: government was doing and what was happening to white Americans. 501 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 3: They sold so many guns, they gained so many advantages. 502 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 3: You can go back to the conservative quote unquote revolution 503 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 3: all of that, and that was by playing footsie with 504 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 3: white supremacists and white militias around the country and going 505 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 3: ahead and doubling, tripling, and quadrupling down on white supremacy. 506 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: Guess what happened. We ended up with Oklahoma City, one 507 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 3: of the worst domestic terrorist incidents in the history of 508 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 3: the country, in which this sought off person who all 509 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: these conspiracy theories decided to attack the federal government. What 510 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 3: happens after that? And umembersual as I do, there was 511 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 3: a little bit of cooling down, right, just a little 512 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 3: bit of cooling down of rhetoric that took place between 513 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 3: that bombing and then moving into September eleventh in the 514 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 3: War one. Well, guess what if you open up the 515 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: lens there, it tells a different story. It's not that 516 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 3: it went away, it's that it changed and it moved 517 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: and we're in another period like that. January sixth should 518 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 3: have changed everything. In a sane country. First of all, 519 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 3: you don't have January six But then you have a 520 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 3: country that actually looks at it and says, oh my god, 521 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 3: we need to stop this. The breaks are beaten off 522 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 3: this thing. The question is what kind of violence it's 523 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 3: going to be. I completely agree at this point it's 524 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: whether or not we're going to see widespread violence. If 525 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 3: we're going to see a continuing balkanization. Are we going 526 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 3: to see another person, you know, attack a federal building. 527 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 3: Are we going to see assassinations? Are we going to 528 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 3: see any of that stuff? It's starting to look more 529 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 3: like the period between the main world Wars and the 530 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 3: nineteen sixties nineteen seventies, which was an incredible amount of violence. 531 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 3: But what happened there. What happened was we saw younger people. 532 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 3: We saw grassroots movements, civil rights protesters, you name it, 533 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 3: people who came in and said enough of this right. 534 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: And I think we're getting to the point where we're 535 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 3: seeing those things grow. I think, you know, not just 536 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 3: test scene, not just BLM, but also with the organizers 537 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 3: and labor unions that are growing, I think we're starting 538 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 3: to see a push back against it. The question is 539 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: can we gain enough speed in order to curb this 540 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 3: before it turns into just an unthinkable amount of violence. 541 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: Last question for you, Jared, is is I want to 542 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: go back to the beginning of our conversation where we're 543 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: talking about Harlan Crow and the echo chamber that has 544 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: been able to be created for to create this false 545 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: idea that these people are the majority, that their ideology 546 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: is the majority. Have Democrats in your mind, then democratic 547 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: leadership fallen for that ropodope to believe right in this 548 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,920 Speaker 1: kind of belief that they need to placate to this 549 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: imaginary middle right in order to win national office, in 550 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: order to you know, sustain their tent. Because if in 551 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: fact the echo chamber is nothing but a house of mirrors, right, 552 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: a house of speakers, and it's it's only but a 553 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: small group of people talking, then have they fallen for it? 554 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: And is there any recourse if you think that that 555 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:42,720 Speaker 1: is the case. 556 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 3: Well, I mean again, there's a multi praying to answer 557 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 3: with this. And first things first, you know, ideology is 558 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 3: a funny thing, right. We think that people are won 559 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 3: over by arguments sometimes and like they change their entire opinions. Actually, 560 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 3: when you look at the numbers, it's more people find 561 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 3: things that echo what it is that they all rn believe. 562 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 3: And so if you actually look at sort of the 563 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 3: right word turn of the Democratic Party in the nineteen 564 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 3: nineties with Bill Clinton and even Joe Biden, they said, 565 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 3: you had to go after this mythical independent voter. They 566 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 3: believe that not because they necessarily understood the electorate, but 567 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 3: because it reflected their own personal beliefs about how government 568 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 3: should work. They were illiberals. They were actually centrist and 569 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 3: right center right. They actually wanted to go ahead and 570 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 3: frame it that way in order to go ahead and 571 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,839 Speaker 3: get their way and push what they wanted. I think 572 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,479 Speaker 3: there are some Democrats who believe it, but it's also 573 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 3: just a reflection of the fact they don't want to 574 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 3: change anything. 575 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 1: Right. 576 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 3: There are a lot of Democratic leaders who are very 577 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 3: happy with the Democratic Party now being the guardians of 578 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 3: the status quo. We're not going to talk about, you know, 579 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 3: distribution of wealth. We're not going to talk about race. 580 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 3: We're not going to talk about white supremacy. We're not 581 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 3: even going to make sure the gay and trans people 582 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 3: are safe, or that black people in the South can vote. 583 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 2: That's not going to do. 584 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 3: Well with the independent voter. Guess what it does. It 585 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 3: already has been shown to do that. It's a self 586 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 3: serving fantasy, and it's not for some of them they've 587 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 3: been won over by that fantasy, and others it's exactly 588 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 3: what they want and it's exactly how they want to 589 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 3: operate as politicians. But I do think that what we're 590 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 3: seeing again from younger people, they reject this garbage, and 591 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 3: they why we have so many young independents who say, 592 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 3: you know, what neither party does for us. The Republicans 593 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 3: are fascists. The Democrats are doing what they need to do. 594 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 3: We don't care if they're kneeling during the BLM protest, 595 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 3: like where are the results? I think what we're going 596 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 3: to see is a generational shift, and I think small 597 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 3: little stories, you know, like the Diane Feinstein thing, the 598 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 3: ringing of the hands over Joe Biden running for another term. 599 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 3: I think we're going to see a generational turnover that's 600 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,839 Speaker 3: going to change how these parties work eventually at some point, 601 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 3: if we can get there, if free and fair elections continue, 602 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 3: you know. 603 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 2: Here's hoping. 604 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: Jarry. As always, thank you for making the time to 605 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: have just such in depth and ground us in historical 606 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: conversation that I think is really important to make sense. 607 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 2: Of where we are right now. So as always, I 608 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 2: appreciate you well Danielle. 609 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,439 Speaker 3: Thank you. You're one of my favorite people. I hate 610 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 3: that we have to get together and talk about all 611 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 3: this stuff. 612 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 2: One day we'll talk about something good. 613 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what that day will be, but it'll 614 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 1: be good. That is it for me today, Dear friends 615 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: on wokef as always, power to the people and to 616 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: all the people power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.