Speaker 1: Hey there everyone. Welcome back to the Betting Pros NFL podcast,
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Speaker 1: It is time for our early look at next week's lines,
Speaker 1: and with me to break it all down is Alex Kaloj,
Speaker 1: a sports betting writer for The Score. You can find
Speaker 1: him on Twitter at aj Kaloj and I will spell
Speaker 1: his last name for you because you will never get
Speaker 1: it right. Ko l O, d z I EJ. Alex.
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back on the show. How's it going.
Speaker 2: I'm doing well, man, Thanks for having me good.
Speaker 1: I believe you were here for a pre season episode before,
Speaker 1: is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was basically just me and you having a nice,
Speaker 3: cordial disagreement on the Houston Texans for about forty five minutes.
Speaker 3: But yes, it was a lot of fun and I'm
Speaker 3: glad to be back.
Speaker 1: All right. I feel like I was probably right on that,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember it specifically, so I'll leave it
Speaker 1: up to the listeners to go back and tell me differently. Now,
Speaker 1: how is week seven for you? Out of curiosity from
Speaker 1: NFL Betting Perspective, Week.
Speaker 3: Seven was Okay, a lot more totals than sides had
Speaker 3: come through. And it's funny because I had been playing
Speaker 3: strictly totals for the first couple of weeks, and there
Speaker 3: were a couple of sides that stuck out and saw
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of sharp players that were on the same side, and
Speaker 2: I thought, you know what, I'll try my hand.
Speaker 3: On some sides, and sure enough, I got reverse wept.
Speaker 3: So heading into this week, I'll probably have to regroup
Speaker 3: a little bit and probably go back to just playing
Speaker 3: some totals and player props and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, overall, it was a good week.
Speaker 3: I feel like this season in the NFL has been
Speaker 3: pretty kind to me, and I wish I could say
Speaker 3: the same about college football. So it's basically been ass
Speaker 3: backwards the last two years in terms of college football
Speaker 3: and NFL. I feel like my strengths for the past
Speaker 3: decade of and college football and NFL has just kind
Speaker 3: of been throwing some darts here and there. But for
Speaker 3: whatever reason, the NFL has been pretty profitable so far.
Speaker 1: How about yourself, right, Well, our early impressions are going
Speaker 1: to be spot on right now, I'm making that proclamation,
Speaker 1: so don't you worried about it. Now, Alex and I
Speaker 1: are going to be going through each game on the
Speaker 1: Week eight slate. We're going to be using the consensus
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Speaker 1: All right, Alex, let's dive right in here with the
Speaker 1: Redskins at the Vikings on Thursday night. The current aggregate
Speaker 1: odds are Vikings minus fifteen and the over under at
Speaker 1: forty one and a half. Now the spread has dropped
Speaker 1: from the look ahead line it was sixteen and a half,
Speaker 1: so the Vikings now are down about a point and
Speaker 1: a half from where they were. Vikings are really starting
Speaker 1: to getting a role here. They continue to mix in
Speaker 1: their passing game a little bit more. Does not sound
Speaker 1: like Adam Thielen is going to play. More likely he's
Speaker 1: out until Week nine after he left Sunday's game against
Speaker 1: the Lions with a hamstring injury. I doubt the Vikings
Speaker 1: are going to need him to win, but that could
Speaker 1: account a little bit for the money probably coming in
Speaker 1: a lit little bit on the Redskins. As for them,
Speaker 1: they are coming off the monsoon game against the forty
Speaker 1: nine ers where you really couldn't draw any specific conclusions.
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about Vikings playing fifteen and
Speaker 1: the over under forty one and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have much of an edge on this game.
Speaker 3: The numbers look about right, especially with Adam Dala being out.
Speaker 3: Kind of had to adjust a little bit for that.
Speaker 3: I just, you know, I find it weird because Washington
Speaker 3: to start the season they were such a good overteam.
Speaker 3: Everybody was throwing on their defense and their secondary and
Speaker 3: then that basically put case Keenum into into full pass mode.
Speaker 3: And I remember the first couple of weeks, you know,
Speaker 3: I was playing his player props over passing years almost
Speaker 3: every week, and it was you know, it worked out
Speaker 3: pretty well given the situation and how games had played out.
Speaker 3: Now you look at the last three four games, Washington's
Speaker 3: kind of turned into an under team, and I know
Speaker 3: last week's weather or excuse me, yesterday's weather with San
Speaker 3: Francisco kind of you know, I don't know exactly how
Speaker 3: much you can you can put into that. It was
Speaker 3: basically a slot fest with a lot of running the football.
Speaker 3: But I agree with the move here from from forty
Speaker 3: I think the opener forty forty half to forty one
Speaker 3: and a half because I think this weekend with Washington,
Speaker 3: you know, they've played you know, they played the Miami,
Speaker 3: they were in there with with San Francisco, you know,
Speaker 3: yesterday and whatnot, and they were perfectly content with running
Speaker 3: the ball. And with the new coaching change, they've obviously
Speaker 3: adopted that identity that they wanted to run the football.
Speaker 3: But you know, as sixteen point underdogs and probably going
Speaker 3: to be trailing most of the game, I think Washington's
Speaker 3: gonna have to throw the balls to get back into it.
Speaker 3: So my initial lean here is actually the over at
Speaker 3: forty one and a half. So, you know, after the
Speaker 3: first three weeks of going over, in the last three
Speaker 3: weeks being an under team, I think I'm going to
Speaker 3: go back to on the go back on the wagon.
Speaker 2: Here and probably lean over here forty one and a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I mean the Redskins are
Speaker 1: overall relatively healthy in the Vikings defense, while strong, of course,
Speaker 1: I mean they're not this just like lockdown unit anymore.
Speaker 1: As Detroit showed yesterday putting up points with you know,
Speaker 1: relative ease. It was more about the Vikings offense. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, a Thursday night game without Adam Thielen. Fine,
Speaker 1: but you know, I feel like as a general matter,
Speaker 1: defenses aren't you know, always, you know, fully up for
Speaker 1: the challenge going over here. You've got the Vikings coming
Speaker 1: up with games against the Chiefs and then following that
Speaker 1: up with the game against Dallas. This is an easy
Speaker 1: spot for them to look ahead. I don't worry too
Speaker 1: much about the spread, but I don't have a real
Speaker 1: good lean on it. But I agree with you that
Speaker 1: I think that the over is probably the player. At
Speaker 1: least early, it's already moved that point. I would wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised to see it move up to closer to
Speaker 1: forty two, maybe even forty two and a half.
Speaker 3: And I will say this too, Dan, I think early
Speaker 3: in the season the past, you know, the first you know,
Speaker 3: six seven weeks, I saw a lot of primetime games,
Speaker 3: a lot of Thursday Night games go under the total.
Speaker 3: It seems like every primetime game, Sunday night, Moday night,
Speaker 3: Thursday Night seem to be low scoring games.
Speaker 2: And I think now that we're.
Speaker 3: Getting kind of into, you know, the second half of
Speaker 3: the season here, we're going to start seeing that you know,
Speaker 3: four day rest, the three and a half day rest
Speaker 3: from Sunday to Thursday start taking new effect for the
Speaker 3: defenses here, and I think we'll start seeing a little
Speaker 3: bit more high scoring.
Speaker 2: Games as the season goes on, To be perfectly honest
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely agree. Moving on to the next game, Seahawks
Speaker 1: at the Falcons, the odds are still Seahawks laying three
Speaker 1: and a half, and the over under at fifty three
Speaker 1: and a half moved just slightly from the opening line
Speaker 1: of fifty four. You've obviously got some question marks here
Speaker 1: for the Falcons. Matt Ryan has a sprained ankle. He's
Speaker 1: not ruled out for Week eight. He could play. Certainly,
Speaker 1: the Falcon season is a complete dumpster fire and basically
Speaker 1: done already at this point. Edo Smith is ruled out,
Speaker 1: But other than that, this really depends on Matt Ryan.
Speaker 1: So it's a little difficult. But let's assume Ryan plays
Speaker 1: here unless you think it's worth jumping in at the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Leaning three and a half just given the uncertainty with
Speaker 1: the Seahawks though, Look, they you know, are probably pretty
Speaker 1: angry coming off a bad loss against Baltimore at home.
Speaker 1: They were a little bit embarrassed. They're relatively healthy, not
Speaker 1: fully of little injuries on the defensive side. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, three and a half regardless of Ryan.
Speaker 1: I'm all assume Ryan's healthy. Three and a half struck
Speaker 1: me as a little bit light here. I expected this
Speaker 1: to be more like four and a half somewhere closer
Speaker 1: to that, and I think it's going to move that
Speaker 1: way regardless of whether or not Ryan is ruled out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would expect that to jump even if Ryan's
Speaker 3: in high ankle sprain. I believe it is. Even if
Speaker 3: he's you know, even if he goes, he's not going
Speaker 3: to be one hundred percent. And if I could be
Speaker 3: wrong here, but I think some shops actually moved this
Speaker 3: up to seven with with Ryan being out. You know,
Speaker 3: I was reading some stuff talking to somebos and had
Speaker 3: a group discussion, and you know that would imply that
Speaker 3: he's worth you know, three and a half points to
Speaker 3: the spread here. But I would actually say that Ryan's
Speaker 3: worth more in this case from you know, the drop
Speaker 3: off from Ryan to Shop. I think it's a lot
Speaker 3: more than that. To be perfectly honest with you, I
Speaker 3: don't I know, Matt Ryan's not playing like an MVP,
Speaker 3: but you know, for him to keep the Falcons in
Speaker 3: games the shootouts like that takes a lot. Like for
Speaker 3: four quarters, this seems almost always trailing. And you know,
Speaker 3: for all the problems that they've had, I don't think
Speaker 3: he's been that big of a problem. You know, Seattle,
Speaker 3: I've played a lot of Seattle overs early in the season.
Speaker 3: They were one of my favorite teams to players. I
Speaker 3: think they played their overs four straight weeks. You know,
Speaker 3: obviously don't they don't have the defense that they once had.
Speaker 3: But for me, when I made this number, I made
Speaker 3: it fifty two and a half. So fifty three and
Speaker 3: a half is pushing it. Fifty three and a half
Speaker 3: fifty four is pushing it. For me, I would honestly
Speaker 3: lean under here, Seahawks still a run heavy team. Don't
Speaker 3: let Russell Wilson's pass as fully, they still want to
Speaker 3: want to put the ball on the ground, and in
Speaker 3: Atlanta actually has a very underrated front seven.
Speaker 2: I know they've been bad.
Speaker 3: I know the numbers would suggest otherwise, but they have
Speaker 3: been getting pressure. So in this case I would lean
Speaker 3: under and and basically hope that you know that Matt
Speaker 3: Shop comes in and plays there, that Ryan isn't exactly
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But my initial lean here is actually under, which is.
Speaker 3: Crazy because I love playing both teams over, but this
Speaker 3: just this number just got.
Speaker 2: Too high for me.
Speaker 1: I think this is a game where the Seahawks can
Speaker 1: probably win it pretty easily regardless of if Ryan plays,
Speaker 1: particularly though if he's compromised, and I think in the
Speaker 1: end that is what they want to do, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has been incredible, but in the end, Brian
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer wants to run the ball, run the ball, run
Speaker 1: the ball. That's all he really wants to do. And
Speaker 1: I think this is a game that they can control
Speaker 1: pretty easily on the ground, you know, just generally because
Speaker 1: Chris Carson has been so good, and you know, I
Speaker 1: think they'll be able to score. But I agree, this
Speaker 1: is not a game that I think trends is a
Speaker 1: shootout regardless. So I grew with the under and if
Speaker 1: you can get again, you know there are shops still
Speaker 1: offering three point five right now. I jump on it.
Speaker 1: For the Seahxcers, I don't really care if Ryan plays,
Speaker 1: even if you were one hundred percent. The Falcons are
Speaker 1: just in disarray. I can't believe Dan Quinn still has
Speaker 1: a job at this point. So if you like the line,
Speaker 1: Joe Bonnett and if it pushes to seven, I mean,
Speaker 1: if Ryan's out, I'm still fine to do that with
Speaker 1: Matt schob because, as you pointed out, it is not
Speaker 1: an insignificant downgrade, certainly at the quarterback spot. Let's move
Speaker 1: on here to Broncos at the Colts. Colts here are
Speaker 1: laying six and a half over under is at forty
Speaker 1: three and a half. Colts just continue to roll. They're
Speaker 1: still an underrated team, and with Darius Leonard back, they
Speaker 1: can really lock down the run like they did against
Speaker 1: the Texans. Meanwhile, the Broncos were everyone's underrated team that's
Speaker 1: so much better than their record until they laid a
Speaker 1: terrible egg against the Chiefs, even with Patrick Mahomes out.
Speaker 1: On Thursday night. Now they have to travel to Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: They get the mini by here because they're coming off
Speaker 1: at Thursday night game. But how do you feel about
Speaker 1: Colts laying six and a half under the keynotber of
Speaker 1: seven and the over under at forty three and a half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is gonna be another under for me. I
Speaker 3: was on the under of this past weekend Indianapolis Houston
Speaker 3: and watching it unfold, this is just reminded me how
Speaker 3: much I.
Speaker 2: Hate betting unders.
Speaker 3: But I sincerely think that this Colts team is not
Speaker 3: the Colts team that we think it is, despite seeing
Speaker 3: the score this past weekend. I know playing Houston's secondary
Speaker 3: is a recipe for playing overs, but I thought it
Speaker 3: was a good under because Jacoby Brissett's basically been.
Speaker 2: A game manager.
Speaker 3: If they haven't really put the ball in his hands,
Speaker 3: they don't mind handing the ball off to Marlon Mack
Speaker 3: and Jeorde Wilkins and you know, letting Jacoby Prissette throw
Speaker 3: here and there. But they're not a shootout team. I
Speaker 3: made this forty two and a half Denver's. Denver's offense,
Speaker 3: to me, doesn't offer any upside. Joe Flacco obviously hasn't
Speaker 3: been playing great. I think their receiving corps is extremely underwhelming.
Speaker 3: Their defense is really the only thing that I can
Speaker 3: can really pinpoint here as a strength. And to me,
Speaker 3: I think this number is a point point and a
Speaker 3: half high and I'm gonna wait to see if i
Speaker 3: can get forty four. Forty four pops up, then I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be on the under. But already grabs them at
Speaker 3: forty three and a half and I feel real good
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: How about six and a half because that feels about
Speaker 1: right to me. I mean, I expect the Colts to
Speaker 1: win here. I wasn't surprised to see it under seven,
Speaker 1: but I think this is about where it's gonna end up.
Speaker 1: I don't expect it to move, and I think if
Speaker 1: you like either side, you can wait because I'd be
Speaker 1: shocked if it moves up to the key number of seven.
Speaker 1: But that feels about right to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this feels very very early reminiscent of you know
Speaker 3: the Colts they trying to think of. It was week four,
Speaker 3: they were off a win, and then they came back
Speaker 3: home and they were playing in Oakland and laid on
Speaker 3: six and a half and it was just it looked
Speaker 3: just so good to be true. Yeah, you know, road
Speaker 3: teams off buys have typically fared well, and you know
Speaker 3: maybe that plays a part into it too, But no
Speaker 3: play on this on the spread, I made it six,
Speaker 3: So you know, I couldn't tell you I'm terrible at
Speaker 3: reading the market on spreads. I just it's it's gotten
Speaker 3: to the point now where it doesn't matter how hard
Speaker 3: I try. I just I can't get a read on
Speaker 3: the market in terms of spreads. So you know, I'm
Speaker 3: going back to the wall here with the total. I
Speaker 3: just I think Denver and Indianapolis are gonna wind up
Speaker 3: being two of the best under teams once it's all.
Speaker 2: Said and done.
Speaker 3: And I know that some of the box scores for
Speaker 3: Indianapolis would suggest otherwise, but really, their identity under Frank Reich,
Speaker 3: which is kind of weird to say, is it's kind
Speaker 3: of been a conservative approach on offense.
Speaker 2: And I think we're gonna see a slog.
Speaker 1: Here, all right, So you heard it there. First, you
Speaker 1: listen to whatever Alex says on the spread and just
Speaker 1: do the opposite. But no, no, no, I honestly that's
Speaker 1: fine that I've had. You know, a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: where I felt great about it, in a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks where I don't really have a good sense. This
Speaker 1: at six point five feels about right to me. With
Speaker 1: the Colts coming off a giant win against the Texans,
Speaker 1: it feels a little bit like a letdown game, and
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of off the Broncos because of how bad
Speaker 1: they looked. But they're not nearly that bad a team,
Speaker 1: so I think six and a half is good. I
Speaker 1: would probably lean towards the Colts overall, so long as
Speaker 1: it stays below the key number, but it's not something
Speaker 1: where I'm overly excited about, nor I'm i With the
Speaker 1: Cardinals at Saints, this was actually Saints laying eight and
Speaker 1: a half. It's moved all the way up to Saints
Speaker 1: lang ten, and the over under has stayed relatively where
Speaker 1: it is forty eight open going to forty seven and
Speaker 1: a half. So there's two teams. Look, they're both trending
Speaker 1: in the right direction. The Saints remain undefeated with Teddy
Speaker 1: Bridgewater under center. They don't miss a beat without Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara yesterday against the Bears. They're playing lights out defensively. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals have now won three in a row and
Speaker 1: they got Patrick Peterson back. Admittedly, their three wins were
Speaker 1: against the Bengals, Falcons, and Giants, three of the worst
Speaker 1: teams in the league. So thoughts on coming in here
Speaker 1: at Saints when it was eight and a half, it
Speaker 1: was a little shocking to me. Ten makes me a
Speaker 1: little more hesitant. But Saints lang ten and the over under,
Speaker 1: I know that's your bread and butter forty seven and
Speaker 1: a half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so New Orleans was actually one of the first
Speaker 3: bets I made this week. Arizona right now is probably
Speaker 3: at the peak of their price right now in the market.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could say.
Speaker 3: That they have momentum, but obviously have to look at
Speaker 3: the schedule. I mean, they beat Cincinnati sinn eighteen. That
Speaker 3: was off a Thursday or excuse me, a you know,
Speaker 3: a primetime loss to Pittsburgh. They beat Atlanta, you know,
Speaker 3: a depleted Atlanta team who was off of beat down
Speaker 3: in Houston, so they were on the second of a
Speaker 3: back to back road game as well. And then last
Speaker 3: week they go into New York. They go up seventeen
Speaker 3: to nothing and really didn't look back. And the weather
Speaker 3: in that game I think affected both game plans. But
Speaker 3: you know, coming in, I think that New Orleans is
Speaker 3: going to be able to do whatever they want offensively.
Speaker 3: The offensive line is playing as good as anybody in
Speaker 3: football right now, and I think that they're gonna be
Speaker 3: able to contain Arizona's quote unquote pass rush or lack thereof.
Speaker 3: And you know, Teddy Bridgewater twenty eight and seven against
Speaker 3: a spread as a starter in the NFL, the best record,
Speaker 3: you know for a minimum amount of stars for qualifying quarterback.
Speaker 3: I also lean to the under here at forty eight
Speaker 3: and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I obviously don't love Cliff Kingsbury running basically a no
Speaker 3: huddle college set because that tends to give you a
Speaker 3: lot more possessions, tends to get in the a lot
Speaker 3: of shootouts as we've seen this year. But the way
Speaker 3: New Orleans defense is playing with Marshawn Lattimore and the
Speaker 3: pass rush that they have, and you know, I can't
Speaker 3: see Arizona on the second of a back to back
Speaker 3: going into a dome and putting up points against a really,
Speaker 3: really good New Orleans team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I my worry in both of these numbers, the
Speaker 1: Saints slaying ten the over under and forty seven a
Speaker 1: half is that the Saints would get out to a
Speaker 1: big lead and then just kind of sit back a
Speaker 1: little bit like they did against the Bears here in
Speaker 1: this past game where the Bears were completely shut down
Speaker 1: all game and then they just came roaring back at
Speaker 1: the end with two touchdowns. They still lost by a
Speaker 1: significant amount, but that would really be my worry. And
Speaker 1: then I think the way the game plays out, the
Speaker 1: Saints should be able to win by ten points. I agree.
Speaker 1: The Cardinals to me strike me as complete paper tigers.
Speaker 1: With this schedule. The Saints defense is absolutely legitimate in
Speaker 1: that dome. They're getting really excited by the way. Of course,
Speaker 1: there is a question of whether or not Drew Brees
Speaker 1: is going to play, which could account a little bit
Speaker 1: of the number. I am going to be shocked if
Speaker 1: he plays in this game. I believe that they have
Speaker 1: a bye the week after, right, they do have a
Speaker 1: bye the week after that. I can't see any way
Speaker 1: that they bring them back before the following game against Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So to the extent that's factoring in, I really wouldn't
Speaker 1: I expect it to be Bridgewater. It's it hasn't been that,
Speaker 1: you know, crazy in terms of what the Saints have
Speaker 1: been able to do. But overall, I think the Saints
Speaker 1: minus ten in the over under now at forty seven
Speaker 1: and a half, I agree with with sort of you
Speaker 1: know that line being around right. I just don't think
Speaker 1: this is a game I'm going to touch at those
Speaker 1: numbers for fear of kind of like the back door
Speaker 1: cover certainly right by the Cardinals just sitting back a
Speaker 1: little bit and letting it happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean getting it whacked up all the
Speaker 2: way to ten.
Speaker 3: I mean if even if you're up by seventeen, I mean,
Speaker 3: if you're up by three possessions, seventeen points, I mean,
Speaker 3: I just I would have no faith in you know,
Speaker 3: a defense being in prevent and letting go.
Speaker 2: Lergists.
Speaker 3: It's and that's why the Arizona team scares me that
Speaker 3: that offense there. I would take a lot of offenses
Speaker 3: over Arizona's, But in a two minute drill garbage time,
Speaker 3: I don't think there's there's another offense that I want
Speaker 3: to see other than Kyler and you know, the receivers
Speaker 3: and David Johnson, because they play at such a fast
Speaker 3: pace and I've had to adjust for that a lot.
Speaker 2: Again, I've played a lot of.
Speaker 3: Overs and a lot of opponents team total overs when
Speaker 3: I'm playing Arizona, but batting against them, honestly is not fun. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know the week two against Baltimore. I know, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm from Phoenix, I live in here now, and I
Speaker 3: know a lot of people who were on Baltimore in
Speaker 3: that game, and they were just pulling their hair out
Speaker 3: watching that game. And I faded Arizona last week against
Speaker 3: New York and watching that offense.
Speaker 2: When they're hot, they're hot. But I just don't I
Speaker 2: don't love.
Speaker 3: The matchup this weekend against you know, arguably the best
Speaker 3: defense will face all year.
Speaker 2: So to me, I took again.
Speaker 3: I took New Orleans at eight and a half. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't recommend them at ten right now, but I might
Speaker 3: get involved on the total if it if it gets
Speaker 3: to forty nine, because then in that case, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be on both New Orleans and the other
Speaker 3: in the spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's move on now here to the Chargers at
Speaker 1: the Bears. The Bears are currently laying four and a half.
Speaker 1: It was five and a half when I saw the
Speaker 1: look aheadline, and the over under is now at forty
Speaker 1: and a half, and it was at thirty nine and
Speaker 1: a half. So like the last game, we've got two
Speaker 1: teams here going in the same direction, but unlike the
Speaker 1: other game, they are heading in the wrong direction. The
Speaker 1: Chargers are coming off their third straight loss, a heartbreaker
Speaker 1: to the Titans, which they should have won. If you
Speaker 1: simulated that game one hundred times, they win probably at
Speaker 1: the end of ninety nine. They're just a disaster at
Speaker 1: this point. Russell o'cun should come back this week, I think,
Speaker 1: and help the offensive line, but they're obviously dealing with
Speaker 1: injuries all over the place. On the other side, the
Speaker 1: Bears look they're vonta defense. It just it looks completely
Speaker 1: vulnerable against a run with a Keen Hicks down. You
Speaker 1: saw what Latavi's Murray was able to do. Josh Jacobs
Speaker 1: had a big game before that. So they're really not
Speaker 1: looking sort of like that shut down unit that we
Speaker 1: kind of expected them to be and that they look
Speaker 1: like early in the season. And again on offense, there's
Speaker 1: just nothing. Mitchell Trubisky, he returned, but he looked terrible
Speaker 1: until you know, late when there was garbage time. David
Speaker 1: Montgomery is barely being used when he is he's not
Speaker 1: getting much on the ground, So it's kind of two
Speaker 1: teams that you don't really want to back either way.
Speaker 1: But here Bear is now laying four and a half
Speaker 1: total at forty and a half, what do you think, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 3: There two teams trending out or trending in both directions,
Speaker 3: you know, the same direction, and it's not up. You know,
Speaker 3: there are times and I like playing overs between two
Speaker 3: teams who are really bad because they just really don't care.
Speaker 3: But I have no play on the total. I lean
Speaker 3: Chicago in the spot. I don't really take into account
Speaker 3: hangovers as much to the NFL as I do in college.
Speaker 2: But for LA, this is just a terrible loss.
Speaker 3: A week after getting blown out by the Steelers in
Speaker 3: prime time. You didn't think it could get any worse,
Speaker 3: but for some reason, LA found out that it could.
Speaker 3: And it's weird because I think the Chargers are the
Speaker 3: only franchise in the NFL that could actually have that
Speaker 3: happen to them.
Speaker 2: So West Coast team coming East Coast for an early kick.
Speaker 3: Chicago's kind of heard it all on the media about
Speaker 3: how bad they are. They get a beat up Chargers team.
Speaker 3: I still think Chicago's we got a lot to play
Speaker 3: for at three and three on like the two and
Speaker 3: five Chargers.
Speaker 2: At this spot, i'd lean Chicago minus four and a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of like the Chargers at five and
Speaker 1: a half. I was looking at them right now. This
Speaker 1: entire game is a stay away, and you know, there
Speaker 1: is becoming this sort of thing where there are a
Speaker 1: lot of teams right now where I just do not
Speaker 1: feel comfortable because I just do not know what I'm
Speaker 1: going to see from them week in and week out.
Speaker 1: The Chargers are one, the Titans are one. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I will ever lay another line on the Titans,
Speaker 1: regardless of which way it's going. The Bucks, I never
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to see out of the Bucks,
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing that definitely from the Chargers and a
Speaker 1: little bit from the Bears at this point, if anything.
Speaker 1: Even at four and a half, I still actually think
Speaker 1: I kind of lean a little bit towards the Chargers,
Speaker 1: just because I could see this one being kind of close,
Speaker 1: being more of a three point game. I could see
Speaker 1: the back door cover two even if the Chargers are down,
Speaker 1: scoring a lay touchdown to to get it within three.
Speaker 1: Or something like that, and the total at forty and
Speaker 1: a half. That's fine. I don't really have a lean
Speaker 1: on that. I would expect that to be around where
Speaker 1: it is. But overall, this is really not a game.
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Speaker 1: let's move on to our next game, Bengals against the Rams.
Speaker 1: This is in London. Rams here are laying twelve and
Speaker 1: a half. The over under has moved up to forty
Speaker 1: eight and a half from forty seven. The Bengals are terrible.
Speaker 1: We talked about it when we were breaking down Arizona's schedule.
Speaker 1: The offensive line is in complete shambles, The defenses beat
Speaker 1: up and they can't tackle anyone. They tried against the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: They kind of kept the close for most of the game,
Speaker 1: but that's hardly enough to give anybody any sort of
Speaker 1: app optimism. Meanwhile, the Rams have struggled badly, but certainly
Speaker 1: the Falcons can make any team feel better. They look
Speaker 1: much better there. They're still desjointed, though Todd Garley doesn't
Speaker 1: look like he's one hundred percent. The receivers aren't really
Speaker 1: all that involved. The offensive line is still struggling. So
Speaker 1: at twelve and a half, I still kind of lean
Speaker 1: the Rams here. It's under the key numbers, of course,
Speaker 1: but I don't feel great about it. Despite how terrible
Speaker 1: the Bengals have been. In the over under moving up
Speaker 1: to forty eight and a half, what do you think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cincinnati hasn't seen that.
Speaker 3: I can't say I'm actually gonna say this, like, there
Speaker 3: are bad teams in the league, and then there's like
Speaker 3: bad but fun teams that I like, I wouldn't mind
Speaker 3: watching a full sixteen minutes of Cincinnati's probably one of them. Like,
Speaker 3: you couldn't pay me to watch a Tennessee game, You
Speaker 3: couldn't pay me to watch the Dolphins, you couldn't pay
Speaker 3: me to watch the Redskins.
Speaker 2: But I like, I don't know what it is. I
Speaker 2: just have o weird h Do.
Speaker 1: You have an actual rationale for this? Because what you're
Speaker 1: saying makes no sense to me. Because the Bengals are terrible,
Speaker 1: the Dolphins are terrible, the Redskins are terrible. Why the Bengals, Oh, well, when.
Speaker 3: They had their full when they had their full receiving
Speaker 3: corpse of Boyd and John Ross and Audentate and you know,
Speaker 3: the ghost of Tyler Eifert and your boy Joe Mixon,
Speaker 3: who has I think twelve hundred yards from scrimmage this season.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. They just they always
Speaker 3: get down early and then they have to throw the
Speaker 3: ball and they're always in shootouts and I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just have a weird soft spot for the Bengals.
Speaker 1: This is the weirdest take that I've ever had on
Speaker 1: this podcast. I'm just letting you know, legitimately the strangest
Speaker 1: sort of let me just tell you what. I love
Speaker 1: the Bengals because they're terrible and they throw the ball
Speaker 1: and I like watching them. I don't get it. Does
Speaker 1: that influence your thoughts on the actual lines rams like
Speaker 1: twelve and a half and the over? Are you just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want the over because I want to root for
Speaker 1: the Bengals and the Dalton to just have a shootout
Speaker 1: or what.
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. I did play the over in this game.
Speaker 3: I play almost every Bengals over if it's that's.
Speaker 1: At least something that's actionable, that's a loose like, all right,
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals are good for the over. That's fine,
Speaker 1: go for it. So I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't play fantasy, but I always have like this,
Speaker 3: this this weird rationale of like, oh, I'm sure like
Speaker 3: a lot of people like love the Bengals because they
Speaker 3: have BOYD and I'm sure Dalton's like a streamable guy
Speaker 3: and mixed. I just checked yesterday and mixed it as
Speaker 3: like two hundred rucking yards.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does not do anything right now, Joe Mixon
Speaker 1: in fantasy is like drop a ball. I do not
Speaker 1: understand anything you're saying about the Bengals, mad, I mean, legitimately,
Speaker 1: let's just say this. You like the over in this game?
Speaker 1: Is that fair?
Speaker 2: I thought they are right, I thought they had like
Speaker 2: three wins.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, no, they have not won a game.
Speaker 1: Where are you looking? All right? All right, here's what I.
Speaker 2: Wanted to do. I made I made the total fifty.
Speaker 3: I played the over.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine. I actually agree with you on the
Speaker 1: over here. I think both teams are gonna be able
Speaker 1: to score. I think the Rams defense is not what
Speaker 1: it once was, even though of course they added Jalen
Speaker 1: Ramsey and so it should be fine. But in London,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's tough that that doesn't number on teams.
Speaker 1: I expect both teams. I do also like the over,
Speaker 1: which is why it's moved significantly. And again for me,
Speaker 1: nobody's going to take your advice on the spread at
Speaker 1: this point because you love the Bengals too much. But
Speaker 1: I actually kind of lean the Rams here at twelve
Speaker 1: and a half. I expect that to move up a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I don't know, man, London games are crazy,
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the It does throw a
Speaker 1: little bit of a wrench into it, So I'm fine
Speaker 1: if it's a stay away for most betters. For me
Speaker 1: right now, I lean Rams at twelve and a half
Speaker 1: and I still lean the over even at forty eight
Speaker 1: and a half. When it was forty seven, I got
Speaker 1: in one it. But at forty eight and a half,
Speaker 1: I'm more than happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you'll see LA struggle against even somewhat
Speaker 3: competent defenses. Even last week against Atlanta, seven point seven
Speaker 3: yards per pass attempt and only two point five rushing
Speaker 3: yards per attempt, so you know the box score they
Speaker 3: put up thirty seven points, but really it wasn't. I
Speaker 3: mean they got set up by some good field position,
Speaker 3: had benefited from some turnovers and whatnot. So I think
Speaker 3: LA is a team to monitor going forward. I don't
Speaker 3: think that.
Speaker 2: Showing against San Francisco was a fluke.
Speaker 3: I think teams more figured out their offensive line is
Speaker 3: an have some train wreck, but against Cincinnati it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I think they can name the score here and Cincinnati
Speaker 3: is gonna have to throw the ball. So it's my
Speaker 3: trade thought for Cincinnati is the same every week, so
Speaker 3: it's for me, I just submit overs.
Speaker 2: We have Bengals.
Speaker 1: All of that is fair. And you know, aj Green,
Speaker 1: I don't think has been ruled out yet. I'm not
Speaker 1: expecting him to play here, and you know they've said
Speaker 1: he's not going to play before the trade the line,
Speaker 1: but then today they said we're not rolling him out.
Speaker 1: So who knows. But I don't really think it matters.
Speaker 1: I do expect them to be able to move the
Speaker 1: ball a little bit here more and put up a
Speaker 1: few points. So I do think that over forty eight
Speaker 1: and a half right now would be the play. Let's
Speaker 1: look at the Jets and Jaguars. The Jaguars here are
Speaker 1: laying four and a half and the over under is
Speaker 1: at forty one. Now, you know, we are recording the
Speaker 1: Sun Monday before the Jets Pats game, so we haven't
Speaker 1: seen what they look like tonight. But they obviously looked
Speaker 1: far better against the Cowboys than they had all seasons. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are just kind of treading along. The defense
Speaker 1: is fine, it's not elite without Jalen Ramsey Minshew magic
Speaker 1: is fading a little bit. They do win against the
Speaker 1: Bengals in a game that the final score doesn't really
Speaker 1: reflect that it was a closer game through at it now.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you without seeing tonight, and who
Speaker 1: knows what's going to happen. I kind of like the
Speaker 1: Jets here at getting four and a half, and I
Speaker 1: kind of like the over on forty one. I don't
Speaker 1: know how you feel about that.
Speaker 2: I'm with you on both.
Speaker 3: I'm really hoping for a low scoring game tonight, something
Speaker 3: in like the twenty seven to like three range, because
Speaker 3: I hope this gets pushed down to forty and a
Speaker 3: half forty. This is one of those games that looks
Speaker 3: ugly on paper. I think if you tell somebody all
Speaker 3: that Jets are playing the Jaguars like that total forty one,
Speaker 3: that's gross. But like to me, I think that it
Speaker 3: could be somewhat of a fun game because I think
Speaker 3: with the Jets run defense being able to bottle up
Speaker 3: Fournette right now, I think New York's number three and
Speaker 3: rushing yards per attempt in the league right now, which
Speaker 3: is fantastic. I mean, we don't necessarily say that about
Speaker 3: the Jets defense, but they are good in that category
Speaker 3: and if they can limit Fournette, and I think I
Speaker 3: think Jacksonville's offense is a lot better when minshe's throwing
Speaker 3: the ball because he actually has wide receivers and he's
Speaker 3: being used in ways that Bortles wasn't used.
Speaker 2: And obviously we didn't.
Speaker 3: Get to see Nick Foles kind of in that offense,
Speaker 3: but I think it would have been great for him
Speaker 3: to be able to use these receivers that Jacksonville has.
Speaker 3: And for the Jets obviously with Sam Darnold, I mean,
Speaker 3: he to call it an upgrade over Luke Falk and
Speaker 3: Travis Simion just doesn't do a justice, you know, with
Speaker 3: the yards per attempt and actually throwing the ball down
Speaker 3: the field like there is actually an offensive identity and
Speaker 3: jackson I've just been playing again Jacksonville overs with Ramsey out,
Speaker 3: they have just been getting burned.
Speaker 2: They just look like they don't care.
Speaker 3: It was you know we saw last year, like midway
Speaker 3: through the season they kind of quit and a once
Speaker 3: elite defense actually looked like Swiss cheese. And it's kind
Speaker 3: of in the same way with Ramsey out. I mean,
Speaker 3: they're they're basically letting any anybody do whatever they want
Speaker 3: to them. Sans Cincinnati last week, before that fourth quarter
Speaker 3: eruption in points.
Speaker 2: But I'm with you here. Jets plus four and a half,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna see if if that total gets pushed down,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably grab some forty one.
Speaker 3: And then if it gets down even to forty and
Speaker 3: a half forty, if there's a lot scoring game tonight,
Speaker 3: then I'll probably add more to the over.
Speaker 2: But I'm with you on this one, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're on the same page here, and again, I
Speaker 1: could see this game playing out in a few different ways.
Speaker 1: The one way it's really hard for me to see
Speaker 1: playing out is a Jaguars like dominant performance where they
Speaker 1: win by like, you know, twenty one or something like that.
Speaker 1: The Jets really again, you know, you can't take anything
Speaker 1: from what they look like without Sam Darnold in there.
Speaker 1: It was an embarrassment. Luke falk is not equipped to
Speaker 1: be a professional NFL quarterback or anything like that. And
Speaker 1: I agree the Jaguars defense. I feel like they still
Speaker 1: have this reputation because of what they were the last
Speaker 1: couple of years, and they're just not the same. So
Speaker 1: I agree, we're both on the same page here. Let's
Speaker 1: move on to Giants at Lions. The Lions here are
Speaker 1: laying six and a half. That's down from seven, and
Speaker 1: the over under has ticked up from forty nine to
Speaker 1: now fifty. Now, I'm gonna say this, the Lions are
Speaker 1: the best two three and one team of all time.
Speaker 1: They played the Vikings hard on Sunday, just coming up short.
Speaker 1: They did lose carry On Johnson to a knee injury.
Speaker 1: I do not know the sparity yet. We're recording on Monday.
Speaker 1: We're not sure that could be meaningful. I'm not really
Speaker 1: sure you know whether J. D. McKay sick and Ty
Speaker 1: Johnson I believe are are going to really be able
Speaker 1: to make that move there. Meanwhile, the Giants continue to
Speaker 1: struggle on defense. Daniel Jones has come crashing down to
Speaker 1: earth since his hot start. They did get Siquon Barkley
Speaker 1: back against the Cardinals, but you know, they're really not
Speaker 1: looking nearly as strong as I were. So how do
Speaker 1: you feel here? Lions six and a half over under
Speaker 1: a fifty.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I took the Giants plus seven in this spot
Speaker 3: mainly just because I made it six and I said,
Speaker 3: if you know, if I get a six, then I'll
Speaker 3: think about it. Anything better than that, I was going
Speaker 3: to fire on and I was lucky to get a
Speaker 3: seven at minus one twenty. So yeah, this is just
Speaker 3: basically pulling the trigger on a good number and one
Speaker 3: that I felt was good. And you know, I don't
Speaker 3: think we're going to see many sevens throughout the week.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if this one settled six six
Speaker 3: and a half. So I grabbed some seven, made it
Speaker 3: five and a half and said that I would take
Speaker 3: anything better than that. So I just I just took
Speaker 3: a good number and hoping that Daniel Jones can can
Speaker 3: do something.
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised by the total that it's fifty.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that you know that the Lion's
Speaker 1: offense looks good, but you know, you, especially you're on
Speaker 1: the spread here, do you have any thoughts on the
Speaker 1: over unders since you've been all over the other until year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I made it forty eight and a half. Detroit
Speaker 3: is a team. They're a weird team. They're a team.
Speaker 3: I think in the past couple of years we've seen
Speaker 3: our fair share of fifties.
Speaker 2: And you know, Matt Stafford.
Speaker 3: Mister shootout, you know, and you know they're always playing
Speaker 3: from behind, they have to throw. But really that's not
Speaker 3: the identity this season. I think Matt Matt Patricia's gone
Speaker 3: with the more balanced approach finally because he's got a
Speaker 3: running back and some guys in the offensive line, and
Speaker 3: the receiving corpses to me is pretty damn good. Adding
Speaker 3: Hockinson to Galladay and Jones, is that actually gives them
Speaker 3: a pretty nice one to or nice one two three.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's weird. It seems like the skill players
Speaker 3: have gotten better, but the identity has changed and that
Speaker 3: they want to kind of play ball control.
Speaker 2: And I know last week.
Speaker 3: They got into a shootout with Minnesota obviously trailing and
Speaker 3: having to trade punches with mister shootout Kirk Cuz since
Speaker 3: so yeah, I think this total has kind of gotten
Speaker 3: a little out of hand at fifty. Again, I don't
Speaker 3: really like playing Unders all that much in the NFL,
Speaker 3: just because you know, with my luck there the seventeen
Speaker 3: points going into the fourth and then thirty five in
Speaker 3: the fourth, but I grabbed New York at seven and
Speaker 3: I felt really good about it.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on here to the Bucks at
Speaker 1: the Titans. The Titans here are now laying two and
Speaker 1: a half. It wasn't three, so it's gone down a
Speaker 1: little bit under the key number. The over unders held
Speaker 1: steady at forty six. The Bucks here are off of bye.
Speaker 1: They'll try to recover from that disaster against Carolina in London. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the Titans switched to Ryan Tannehill really pays off with
Speaker 1: the offense. It's not like they put up a ton
Speaker 1: of points, but it's certainly moved more. They got involved
Speaker 1: both Corey Davis and AJ Brown, so it was nice
Speaker 1: to see sort of the Titans look much more competent
Speaker 1: on offense. So with the offense looking stronger and the
Speaker 1: defense being overall solid, how do you feel here Titans
Speaker 1: laying two and a half over under at forty six.
Speaker 3: So you said that the Chargers are one scene that
Speaker 3: you don't want anything to do with the season team
Speaker 3: that I want nothing to do with on a weekly basis,
Speaker 3: mainly because I just.
Speaker 2: Cannot get a read on this team.
Speaker 3: For the life of me, I haven't won its Titans
Speaker 3: game since like twenty sixteen. You know, looking at this one,
Speaker 3: there's probably a ninety percent chance that I will not
Speaker 3: be on anything in this game. But if I had
Speaker 3: to go one way in this game, I'm probably going
Speaker 3: under Tennessee being able to run the balls key for
Speaker 3: Ryan Tannehill, and the Buccaneers are like number one in
Speaker 3: the league in rush yards per attempt.
Speaker 2: Which is again, really really weird.
Speaker 3: If you want to beat Tampa Bay, you got to
Speaker 3: go through their secondary. And I have no problem playing
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay overs when they're playing offenses that spread out
Speaker 3: or run play action, but Tennessee just doesn't do that.
Speaker 3: And I really don't want to buy into Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 3: I don't think that this is the right time to
Speaker 3: do that. But I actually I lean Tampa Bay and
Speaker 3: I leaned the under.
Speaker 2: In this spot.
Speaker 1: It's my job to talk about these games, so I
Speaker 1: am contractually obligated to discuss this one. But yeah, three
Speaker 1: teams Chargers, Bucks, Titans, and this is two of them
Speaker 1: that I have no read on whatsoever. I can't get
Speaker 1: it the only I don't have any sense of the
Speaker 1: spread whatsoever. But I do like the under because I
Speaker 1: do think that this sets up, again for the reasons
Speaker 1: that you sort of said, as more of a defensive game,
Speaker 1: because like you said, the Bucks are strong against the run,
Speaker 1: it's very solid. Their defense is overall underrated. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're weak in the secondary. But again, you know, even
Speaker 1: though Tannehill got involved all of the receivers this week
Speaker 1: at least, I don't really expect them to be able
Speaker 1: to move the ball through the air regularly like the Panthers,
Speaker 1: for example, were able to do last week. So for me,
Speaker 1: I agree, I lean under on forty six. I'm not
Speaker 1: touching going anywhere, and I don't know what the spread
Speaker 1: could be which would make me feel confident either way,
Speaker 1: because I just never know which one of these teams
Speaker 1: is going.
Speaker 3: To show up. So this is high for a Titans game.
Speaker 3: At forty six and a half, that's this is a
Speaker 3: lot of points.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably reflecting the lack
Speaker 1: of respect for the Bucks defense, given what you've seen
Speaker 1: and given the fact that Tannehill was able to finally
Speaker 1: get the balls to the wide receivers. But for me,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I definitely lean the under. Let's
Speaker 1: move on to the Eagles at the Bills. Bills here
Speaker 1: favored by one and a half and the over under
Speaker 1: at forty two and a half. Bills don't look, you know,
Speaker 1: particularly impressive beating the Dolphins, even though they won by
Speaker 1: ten points. They do get the win here they're always
Speaker 1: tough at home. The Eagles are in absolute shambles. They're
Speaker 1: beat up hard by the Cowboys on Sunday Night. Despite
Speaker 1: all the sharp money pounding the Eagles coming into that game,
Speaker 1: everybody loved them. They can't stop the pass at all.
Speaker 1: But that's not really the Bill's strength. So I get
Speaker 1: I think why the spread is as close to as
Speaker 1: it is. But what do you think here in Buffalo,
Speaker 1: Bill's laying one and a half over under forty two
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I took the under at forty two and a half.
Speaker 3: And this kind of falls in line basically with what
Speaker 3: I talked about with Tampa Bay and with Houston.
Speaker 2: Philadelphia kind of fits the same.
Speaker 3: Bill there where I want to play all Philly overs
Speaker 3: against teams that can throw the ball, that line up
Speaker 3: in three four wide receiver sets and just kind of
Speaker 3: run play action.
Speaker 2: Philly gets burned by play action more.
Speaker 3: Than almost any other team in the league, and Josh
Speaker 3: Allen right now, I believe is twentieth in the league
Speaker 3: in play action attempts. So yeah, it just comes down
Speaker 3: to Buffalo's skill players not really having the ability to
Speaker 3: stretch the field to beat Philadelphia. I think this game's
Speaker 3: kind of played in the trenches, and I think that
Speaker 3: this is a pretty bad matchup for Carson Wentz against
Speaker 3: a pretty good Buffalo secondary. Last week obviously wasn't a
Speaker 3: really good sign for them giving up twenty one to
Speaker 3: the Ryan Fitzpatrick lad Dolphins. But still, I think both
Speaker 3: edges go to the defenses here. And I played the
Speaker 3: under at forty.
Speaker 2: Two and a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think this is right
Speaker 1: about where i'd peg this both ways. I just don't
Speaker 1: have a good sense of it. I agree the game
Speaker 1: does not set up particularly well for a high scoring game,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent correct, because again, like you said, really
Speaker 1: where you can attack the Eagles is through their secondary,
Speaker 1: which is always banged up and terrible generally, but they're
Speaker 1: pretty stout against the run. And you know you're not
Speaker 1: gonna rely on Josh Allen to torch a secondary. That's
Speaker 1: just not what he does. He's too inaccurate to do it.
Speaker 1: He moves the ball well and again his ability to scramble,
Speaker 1: but they like they really prefer to rely on their
Speaker 1: ground game if they can. Meanwhile, the Eagles they're just
Speaker 1: I mean, there's too many things missing right now from
Speaker 1: that offense. I mean even that pass yesterday to Aguilar,
Speaker 1: are you just watching that as that long bomb that
Speaker 1: they had where he could have got it and get into,
Speaker 1: you know, the end zone, and he just kind of
Speaker 1: doesn't get there. And that's just kind of been what
Speaker 1: the Eagles have been all year. So if I did
Speaker 1: lean one way, it would be the under, but I
Speaker 1: don't have a strong feeling on it, so it's more
Speaker 1: of a game. I think that I'd probably take a
Speaker 1: pass on Panthers at forty nine ers. The odds are
Speaker 1: moving a little bit here in favor of the Panthers.
Speaker 1: It opened at minus six. It's now forty nine ers
Speaker 1: laying five, and the over under has come down to
Speaker 1: point two. It was forty two and a half. It's
Speaker 1: down to forty one and a half. We are going
Speaker 1: to get Kyle Allen again here as the starter for
Speaker 1: the Panthers. Ron Rivera came out and named him, and
Speaker 1: he has game managed his way to victory. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: looks kind of impressive, but mostly he's just, you know,
Speaker 1: keeping things moving for the Panthers offense. The defense is
Speaker 1: playing much better of late, particularly the run defense, catching
Speaker 1: up to what has been pretty consistently a very strong
Speaker 1: pass defense of the forty nine ers. They continue to roll,
Speaker 1: they deal with them onsoon, and they remain undefeated against Washington.
Speaker 1: I kind of expected the Kyle us Check injury would
Speaker 1: be a bigger deal. I can't really say that it's
Speaker 1: made a huge difference. I mean, they didn't put up
Speaker 1: a lot of points against the Redskins, and they didn't
Speaker 1: put up a lot of points against the Rams necessarily,
Speaker 1: but I still think that, you know, you see the
Speaker 1: creative play calling, and I'm not really willing to write
Speaker 1: it off, but they're strong, obviously undefeated on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. How do you feel here at forty nine
Speaker 1: ers minus five again trending down and the over under
Speaker 1: at forty one and a half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I missed the boat here at six. I should
Speaker 3: have grabbed Carolina when it was up. Obviously, now it's
Speaker 3: down to five, you know, San Francisco obviously, Like you
Speaker 3: could talk about the schedule and how they've won their games,
Speaker 3: like they're still six and zero, Like they've played, like
Speaker 3: their defense is like very very good. I obviously the
Speaker 3: biggest question mark here is Jimmy Garoppolo, who hasn't really played.
Speaker 2: All that well.
Speaker 3: I think this past game against Washington despite the weather,
Speaker 3: you know, they won, despite hosting like four point something
Speaker 3: yards per play. I mean, it was just ugly. But
Speaker 3: you know, this is a team that's that's kind of
Speaker 3: at the peak of their market price and a team
Speaker 3: that you're probably looking to sell at some point. And
Speaker 3: I think if you got a six, this is a
Speaker 3: pretty good spot. Carolina off a bike. Again, we've talked
Speaker 3: about teams on the road coming off buys and how
Speaker 3: how great they've been over the past couple of years,
Speaker 3: and Carolina, you know this this is an East Coast
Speaker 3: going to West Coast, but you know it's a four
Speaker 3: h five kick, So I don't really think you need
Speaker 3: to do it just for anything there.
Speaker 2: And really, Kyle.
Speaker 3: Allen's played exceptionally well in place of Cam Newton. He
Speaker 3: looks really comfortable. This is obviously gonna be as tough
Speaker 3: as test. But I really wish I would have grabbed
Speaker 3: a six. I really missed the boat on that. I
Speaker 3: should have been a little bit more alert there.
Speaker 2: But again, you.
Speaker 3: Know, spreads are not key for me in terms of
Speaker 3: the total. I think, honestly I would lean over here
Speaker 3: at forty and a half. It's just not a lot
Speaker 3: of points. And I know, I know San Francisco has
Speaker 3: been an under team, Carolina has kind of been split.
Speaker 3: They've had their kind of wide range of games this season.
Speaker 3: But at forty and a half, man, that's not a
Speaker 3: lot of points for those two teams to get there. Obviously,
Speaker 3: with the run defenses being as good as they are,
Speaker 3: I think you're going to see a lot of throwing
Speaker 3: between Kyle Allen and Jimmy Garoppolo. So I lean you know,
Speaker 3: I don't have any play here on the on the
Speaker 3: side at six. If you got it at six, great,
Speaker 3: I don't really know what five does for you, but
Speaker 3: I would lean over here at forty and a half with.
Speaker 1: The number going down, Yeah, the number actually is what
Speaker 1: I am seeing, at least for the consensus is now
Speaker 1: at forty one and a half. So I don't know
Speaker 1: whether or not that makes a difference to you there.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's at one point. But regardless, I think
Speaker 1: we're viewing this as the same way. I think both
Speaker 1: teams are going to be able to put up some
Speaker 1: points here. I don't expect it to be a crazy
Speaker 1: shootout or anything like that, but I do think that
Speaker 1: both offenses are you know, better kind of at least
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers better than they've showed in recent weeks. Again,
Speaker 1: the Panthers have a great defense, and they're trending up
Speaker 1: and they're coming off a buy, so you know they
Speaker 1: have plenty of time to game plan for this. But
Speaker 1: in terms of the spread, at least I agree at six,
Speaker 1: I like the Panthers. At five, I still think I
Speaker 1: leaned towards the Panthers, but I certainly not as strong
Speaker 1: as I once felt. And for the total, still at
Speaker 1: forty one and a half, I'm still leaning the over,
Speaker 1: but not strongly. So before we finish up with our
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Speaker 1: let's move on to Raiders at Texans. The Texans here
Speaker 1: are laying six and a half. It was at seven,
Speaker 1: but it's down six and a half. The over under
Speaker 1: is at fifty one. The Raiders defense completely gashed by
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, but their offense actually played pretty well despite
Speaker 1: all the injuries they've got going on, like Tyro Williams
Speaker 1: being out with planterfesci iis. They blew plenty of scores
Speaker 1: here in the red zone, like their car fumbling through
Speaker 1: the end zone, so the game could have been a
Speaker 1: lot tighter. Meanwhile, the Texans is a very tough game
Speaker 1: to the Colts. They also lose Will Fuller, who's got
Speaker 1: a hamstring string. He's definitely going to be out for
Speaker 1: at least this week to the extent that matters to you,
Speaker 1: but they've generally played well overall. So we've got the
Speaker 1: Raiders at the Texans with the Texans lank six and
Speaker 1: a half and a pretty high over under a fifty one.
Speaker 1: How do you feel?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, this this is a weird game
Speaker 3: for me because i feel like I'm not adjusting enough
Speaker 3: for the Texans offense as well as their defense because
Speaker 3: I made this forty nine and a half and I
Speaker 3: was gonna get involved on the under at fifty one.
Speaker 3: But I'm starting to have some second thoughts. Houston's secondary
Speaker 3: is obviously terror like terrible as an understatement, given that
Speaker 3: they are starting. I believe the Pro Football Focus ranked
Speaker 3: their cornerbacks number one hundred and twenty one and one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two out of one hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: two cornerbacks, so they are legitimately starting the two worst
Speaker 3: cornerbacks in the in the league. And then you know,
Speaker 3: I've talked myself into, ok, well, you know Oakland's running
Speaker 3: this West Coast horizontal offense, and you know they're not.
Speaker 3: They don't really necessarily have a guy who can stretch
Speaker 3: the field vertically unless you know it's Tyrol Williams. Obviously
Speaker 3: he's been dealing with some injuries. I've gone back and
Speaker 3: forth on this game a hundred times. You know, you
Speaker 3: could talk about Houston's offense and how good it is
Speaker 3: and how they should just pick apart Oakland's secondary, as
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers did last weekend, and then he talked about
Speaker 3: will Fuller and how key he is to the offense
Speaker 3: and stretching the field for Nuke, and I've kind of
Speaker 3: gone back and forth on this. I have no no
Speaker 3: lean on the spread, but I would in this case,
Speaker 3: per my numbers, I would lean to the under at
Speaker 3: fifty one. Although I think if you're gonna do that,
Speaker 3: this is just a game that you just do not
Speaker 3: watch because it could get it could get really ugly,
Speaker 3: really quick, and it could get into a track meet
Speaker 3: pretty pretty damn fast.
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I lean a little bit towards the over.
Speaker 1: I know it's a high number here, but you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 1: I can hear you. You're hesitant. I know what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You're saying my number.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll probably it's funny because I'm probably gonna this
Speaker 3: is gonna be one of those games where I have
Speaker 3: nothing involved in it, and by you know, eleven to
Speaker 3: fifty five, five minutes before kick, I'm be like, you
Speaker 3: know what, I might just playing a way, just go
Speaker 3: score points and it'll be side of three and.
Speaker 1: A half and not that I mean in the end,
Speaker 1: I think I think really what it does come down
Speaker 1: to is the fact that the Raiders, you know, even
Speaker 1: I mean, somehow without tyroll Williams. I mean, yesterday it
Speaker 1: was Darren Waller, of course, but Josh Jacobs looks legitimate.
Speaker 1: He's also getting a little more involved in the passing game,
Speaker 1: which I really like. They can score. Their offensive scheme
Speaker 1: is working for them, so I do expect them to
Speaker 1: be able to put up points, especially given the concerns
Speaker 1: about the Texans secondary that you mentioned. And on the
Speaker 1: flip side, look, you can attack the Raiders any way
Speaker 1: you want. I mean, and the Texans can. They showed
Speaker 1: last week, you know, before they faced the Cults, they
Speaker 1: leaned heavily on Carlos hide there. He had a ginormous game.
Speaker 1: I believe it was against the Chiefs. Yeah, right, against
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, sort of their revenge game. But they're able
Speaker 1: to lean on Hide in Duke Johnson if they really
Speaker 1: want to. But Deshaun Watson can really do whatever he wants.
Speaker 1: I get will Fuller is a loss, But you know,
Speaker 1: Kenny still is being healthy. He kind of stepped right in.
Speaker 1: He kind of fills that role kicking QT is still there,
Speaker 1: so I think this is just going to be a
Speaker 1: massive shootout, and I really do I lean over watching
Speaker 1: watching the Raiders in recent weeks has basically made me
Speaker 1: come around on their offense, especially what they were able
Speaker 1: to do Green Bay, which I admit is sort of
Speaker 1: not quite as strong as we thought originally with their
Speaker 1: pass defense, but it's still a pretty strong pass defense,
Speaker 1: and they easily could have put up like thirty five
Speaker 1: points on that deep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Raiders are so weird because they're not really
Speaker 3: this big play type of Loddens, but they just they
Speaker 3: can eat up six seven yards at a time. And
Speaker 3: if you're getting seven every time, you're chewing up five
Speaker 3: six minutes, like that's that's good enough, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like as long as you're scoring seven and
Speaker 3: not having to go, you know, and then you're not
Speaker 3: settling for field.
Speaker 2: Goals in the red zone.
Speaker 3: Those that's the difference between going over and under and
Speaker 3: getting into a shootout with Aaron.
Speaker 2: Rodgers obviously played a factor in that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is either going to be a game
Speaker 3: that ends up twenty to seventeen or it's gonna be
Speaker 3: forty to thirty five and we're going to be like, well,
Speaker 3: that was the stupidest total.
Speaker 1: Of all time. So yeah, no, I agree that that's
Speaker 1: a really good point. And again, the Raiders, I do
Speaker 1: feel a little bit more confident, and I have no
Speaker 1: confidence in their defense. So that's a good recipe. Browns
Speaker 1: at pats here, Patriots laying ten the over under at
Speaker 1: forty five and a half. Again, we have not yet
Speaker 1: seen the Patriots tonight against the Jets. Their defense is tremendous,
Speaker 1: the offense is a little bit hit or miss with
Speaker 1: all the injuries, Josh Gordon not playing tonight. And meanwhile
Speaker 1: the Browns they just can't seem to get it together.
Speaker 1: They lost a tough game to Seattle where they were
Speaker 1: way ahead. The sharp play was all over them in
Speaker 1: that game. So how do you feel here? Patriots at
Speaker 1: home lank ten to the Browns over under at forty
Speaker 1: five and a half.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as much as I have faded the Browns this year,
Speaker 3: I think tens a lot of points.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 3: You know, this was a primetime spot, and we obviously
Speaker 3: know how great Bill Belichick and Tom Brady have been
Speaker 3: in prime time.
Speaker 2: You know, to me, tens, just tens is too much.
Speaker 2: And I think it comes down to what we kind
Speaker 2: of talked about in.
Speaker 3: The Arizona New Orleans game, where you know, I think
Speaker 3: this is a fourteen fifteen to sixteen point game.
Speaker 2: The obviously the back door is gonna be be crucial here.
Speaker 3: I might get involved in the total. The over at
Speaker 3: forty five and a half, I'm glad it's dropped again.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping for another, you know, like we talked about
Speaker 3: low scoring games today, maybe pushed that total down a
Speaker 3: little bit more. But I have been impressed with Cleveland's
Speaker 3: defense at times when healthy. I think Greedy Williams and
Speaker 3: Denzel Award have played exceptionally well despite being in their
Speaker 3: second and first years. You know, with if Josh Gordon's out,
Speaker 3: I think it becomes a lot easier. And I think, uh,
Speaker 3: I think there's enough talent on Cleveland's offense. If Freddy
Speaker 3: Kitchens unless unless he just continues to be a train
Speaker 3: wreck offensively calling plays, I still think ten in the
Speaker 3: spots a little too much, even though i've I've I've
Speaker 3: faded Cleveland more times than I've played him this season.
Speaker 1: So did you say you lean towards the over? I do? Yeah, yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: I did too. I just want to make sure that's
Speaker 1: what you said, because then you start making some some
Speaker 1: decent points about the defense frankly, and I was like, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: Just to kind of and obviously it's funny because you
Speaker 3: could you could make the case however you want, and
Speaker 3: there are always two sides to it. But you know,
Speaker 3: in this case, I do like the upside that Cleveland's
Speaker 3: pass secondary has against Tom Brady.
Speaker 2: If if you know Josh.
Speaker 3: Gordon's not available, obviously they're gonna scheme and they're score points.
Speaker 3: But you know, in terms of being able to kind
Speaker 3: of stay in this game and keep it within range,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be a blaw and
Speaker 3: it's gonna have to be because again, like we talked
Speaker 3: about it, this is a fourteen to fifteen point game.
Speaker 3: You know, the back door is wide open, and Tens
Speaker 3: just getting double digits, even though Cleveland's probably not the
Speaker 3: team that we thought they were going to be on paper.
Speaker 3: Obviously we know they look good, but Tens ten to
Speaker 3: me in this spot, it's just is just too much
Speaker 3: get getting double digits.
Speaker 1: Yep, I completely agree. I leaned towards the Browns and
Speaker 1: I lean towards the over I don't feel great about,
Speaker 1: you know, going with the Browns just because they're another
Speaker 1: team who I feel like I don't really know what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see right now, from you guys, but coming
Speaker 1: off the buy Pats off a short week, assuming nothing
Speaker 1: crazy happens tonight, of course, I agree ten just seems
Speaker 1: too high, and the over under yeah, I think both
Speaker 1: teams are going to be able to move the ball
Speaker 1: at bit and put up. Obviously the Patriots will, but
Speaker 1: I do think that the Browns are going to be
Speaker 1: able to move the ball even on the tough Pats
Speaker 1: d Let's move on here to the Packers at the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: This one has obviously swung wildly since it originally opened,
Speaker 1: which was I believe the Chiefs laying four points when
Speaker 1: Mahomes was healthy. It is now all the way up
Speaker 1: to the Packers laying four points. The over und are
Speaker 1: still at forty eight. DeVonta Adams probably still going to
Speaker 1: be out here for the Packers, is my guest, but
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was completely dominant against the Raiders. As we
Speaker 1: discussed before. How do you feel here, Packers playing four
Speaker 1: total at forty eight?
Speaker 3: Well, I wish Mahomes was playing because I would have
Speaker 3: played the over at anything sixty three or lower.
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 3: That would have been just the most fun game of
Speaker 3: all time. So this sounds funny because Green Bay's defense
Speaker 3: runs out of dime most of the time, and if
Speaker 3: you look over the past few weeks, they've just been
Speaker 3: giving rushing yards up like candy on Halloween. And unfortunately
Speaker 3: Kansas City doesn't necessarily have a rush offense. They've tried
Speaker 3: to get Lashawn McCoy involved. Damian Williams is I don't
Speaker 3: even know if he's alive anymore. So this would have
Speaker 3: been a great matchup if you're playing a running team,
Speaker 3: but obviously, with Casey's tendency to pass the ball, with
Speaker 3: Andy Reid's system, I don't think it boats necessarily well
Speaker 3: for them. Kansas City at home, I know home in
Speaker 3: road defensive splits are kind of noisy, but Kansas City's
Speaker 3: typically been better.
Speaker 2: Defensively at home than they have been on the road.
Speaker 3: In all honesty, I kind of lean under here at
Speaker 3: forty eight, and I like the Chiefs plus four haven't
Speaker 3: gotten involved in this game just because it gets it
Speaker 3: always gets so tricky when you're talking about backup quarterbacks,
Speaker 3: and obviously, with Mahomes, who's arguably the best player in
Speaker 3: the league, it's kind of tough to pinpoint in an
Speaker 3: adjustment here. I know, last week, you know, more stepped
Speaker 3: in for a couple of quarters or whatever. We don't
Speaker 3: have a big enough sample size. But man, this is
Speaker 3: just this is too tricky for me. But honestly, I
Speaker 3: would lean the under the spot at forty eight. And
Speaker 3: to be honest, I don't know if I'll get involved
Speaker 3: yet because this is a game that could also get
Speaker 3: stupid if the skill players can do anything for Matt Moore,
Speaker 3: because there's a huge advantage for them against green Bay secondary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't feel great about the total, but I
Speaker 1: agree with you that I lean Chiefs here getting four.
Speaker 1: And you know the thing about Matt Moore, I mean
Speaker 1: he's not in the same stratosphere of course as Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: but he's one of the better backup quarterbacks in the league.
Speaker 1: This is essentially sort of coming off like a mini
Speaker 1: bi because they played on Thursday, so you know what
Speaker 1: Andy Reid does when he gets extra time to prepare.
Speaker 1: That's a tough place to play. It doesn't matter, you know,
Speaker 1: I know they they haven't you know, they lost to
Speaker 1: Indianapolis and stuff, and so you know, you're thinking about
Speaker 1: what it's like to play at Arrowhead. But it's historically
Speaker 1: been a really really difficult place to play. The Packers
Speaker 1: are coming off this monstrous when they still don't have
Speaker 1: many offensive skill playmakers, right. I mean, they've got the
Speaker 1: running backs, but they don't you know, Marcus Valdez Scantling
Speaker 1: isn't really doing it Toronto, Mo Allison. Those guys are
Speaker 1: not going to scare you. And in the end, the
Speaker 1: Chiefs are getting a little healthier on defense. They looked good.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to you don't want to
Speaker 1: take too much from the Broncos, but they looked like
Speaker 1: they're getting a little bit better on defense, and they
Speaker 1: are getting a little healthier. So I agree with you
Speaker 1: with that where I lean initially with the Chiefs on four,
Speaker 1: and I bet you as this gets bet up because
Speaker 1: it was at three, it's at four. The Packers are
Speaker 1: a really public team. I bet you you're gonna see
Speaker 1: some sharp money here hitting the Chiefs at some point.
Speaker 1: So I'm fine to jump on a at four. Let's
Speaker 1: move on to our final game, Dolphins at the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Steelers here are now laying fourteen and a half. It
Speaker 1: was sixteen and a half, So my guess is some
Speaker 1: money came in here on the Dolphins at that inflated spread,
Speaker 1: the over under state steady at forty three. The Dolphins
Speaker 1: are what they are. The offense is kind of borderline
Speaker 1: competent when Ryan Fitzpatrick is under center, and meanwhile for
Speaker 1: the Steelers, Mason Rudolph should return. But the Steelers offense
Speaker 1: is successful basically on a pure gimmick. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: just doing all sorts of crazy things. The defense has
Speaker 1: been very, very strong, particularly since Mike Fitzpatrick came over.
Speaker 1: So how do you feel here? Steelers playing fourteen and
Speaker 1: a half over under at forty three.
Speaker 4: So this game is so weird because early on in
Speaker 4: the season, when when Fitzpatrick was benched and Rosen came in,
Speaker 4: I started jumping on the Miami Dolphins over bandwagon because
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well you got Josh Rosen.
Speaker 2: He's an upgrade, kind of really has you know, nothing
Speaker 2: to lose.
Speaker 3: It's and sure enough, like Ryan Fitzpatrick is the guy
Speaker 3: who has more air yards per a tent than Josh Brosen,
Speaker 3: and then on the opposite side, Devlin Hodges has more
Speaker 3: yards per attempt than Mason Rudolph. So it's just one
Speaker 3: of those games where everything's kind of ass backwards to me,
Speaker 3: I don't have a play on this game. I made
Speaker 3: it thirteen and I made it forty two. I don't
Speaker 3: know how much you can take away from from last
Speaker 3: week's game against the Bills, where the offense kind of
Speaker 3: kind of looked competent against Buffalo. You know, there were
Speaker 3: some times when Miami got bailed out by penalties, and
Speaker 3: you know, if it's Patrick kind of just made some
Speaker 3: other worldly throws in about time of Miami overhit. I
Speaker 3: think I was like zher and four betting overs this year.
Speaker 3: So I finally got one last weekend. But you know,
Speaker 3: I wish I could have could end the show in
Speaker 3: a bang with a play. But really, I doubt I'm
Speaker 3: going to be involved here on the spreader total. There
Speaker 3: are probably some player props I'll get involved in, but
Speaker 3: spread in total, I really this game just doesn't appeal
Speaker 3: to me from a viewing standpoint or a betting standpoint.
Speaker 2: To be perfectly honest with you, man.
Speaker 1: This is such a terrible way for us to go out,
Speaker 1: because I completely agree I have nothing on this game whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I hope Alex has something
Speaker 1: coming in because I'm looking at this and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: uh no, not really. I mean, I don't even have
Speaker 1: a lean. I really don't. I just I just don't
Speaker 1: feel good about either of these numbers at this point.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not even gonna offer anything. I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna try to fill time because I don't have it.
Speaker 1: I've got nothing going on. So it's an unfortunate way
Speaker 1: for us to end the show. But overall, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was fun giving your Bengals bit. I feel like
Speaker 1: we really saved it, So I'm not I'm not all
Speaker 1: that concerned about it.
Speaker 3: I need a soundboard with just just tidbits from that part,
Speaker 3: because that's fantastic. I can't believe that you don't view
Speaker 3: the Bengals like that. I can't believe that, Like I
Speaker 3: live in this this alternate universe where I'm like the
Speaker 3: only one who thinks that the Bengals are like a
Speaker 3: fun bad team. You know.
Speaker 1: So if you're listening out there and you are a
Speaker 1: therapist who specializes in obsession with Bengals, then please give
Speaker 1: Alex a call. He's gonna remind you right now where
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Speaker 2: So Dan, thanks very much and go Bengals.
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