1 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Hey there everyone. Welcome back to the Betting Pros NFL podcast, 2 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: brought to you by bet MGM. I'm your host, Dan Harris. 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Dan Harris Hadi. 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: It is time for our early look at next week's lines, 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: and with me to break it all down is Alex Kaloj, 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: a sports betting writer for The Score. You can find 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: him on Twitter at aj Kaloj and I will spell 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: his last name for you because you will never get 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: it right. Ko l O, d z I EJ. Alex. 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming back on the show. How's it going. 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: I'm doing well, man, Thanks for having me good. 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: I believe you were here for a pre season episode before, 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: is that correct? 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? It was basically just me and you having a nice, 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 3: cordial disagreement on the Houston Texans for about forty five minutes. 16 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 3: But yes, it was a lot of fun and I'm 17 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 3: glad to be back. 18 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: All right. I feel like I was probably right on that, 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: but I don't remember it specifically, so I'll leave it 20 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: up to the listeners to go back and tell me differently. Now, 21 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: how is week seven for you? Out of curiosity from 22 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: NFL Betting Perspective, Week. 23 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: Seven was Okay, a lot more totals than sides had 24 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 3: come through. And it's funny because I had been playing 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: strictly totals for the first couple of weeks, and there 26 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 3: were a couple of sides that stuck out and saw 27 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: a lot. 28 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: Of sharp players that were on the same side, and 29 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 2: I thought, you know what, I'll try my hand. 30 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: On some sides, and sure enough, I got reverse wept. 31 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: So heading into this week, I'll probably have to regroup 32 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 3: a little bit and probably go back to just playing 33 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: some totals and player props and stuff like that. 34 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, overall, it was a good week. 35 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 3: I feel like this season in the NFL has been 36 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 3: pretty kind to me, and I wish I could say 37 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 3: the same about college football. So it's basically been ass 38 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 3: backwards the last two years in terms of college football 39 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: and NFL. I feel like my strengths for the past 40 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 3: decade of and college football and NFL has just kind 41 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: of been throwing some darts here and there. But for 42 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 3: whatever reason, the NFL has been pretty profitable so far. 43 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: How about yourself, right, Well, our early impressions are going 44 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: to be spot on right now, I'm making that proclamation, 45 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: so don't you worried about it. Now, Alex and I 46 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: are going to be going through each game on the 47 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: Week eight slate. We're going to be using the consensus 48 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: odds over at bettingpros dot com. Now, unless this is 49 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: your first time listening, you know that the consensus odds 50 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: are an aggregation of the odds that are available on 51 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: the market. But as always, there are going to be 52 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: differences in the various sports books, so go ahead and 53 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: shop around for the best odds. Also, if you want 54 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: to see how some of the top sports betting experts 55 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: are leaning on any given bet at any given time, 56 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: Betting pros dot Com is going to show you that too. 57 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: All right, Alex, let's dive right in here with the 58 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: Redskins at the Vikings on Thursday night. The current aggregate 59 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: odds are Vikings minus fifteen and the over under at 60 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: forty one and a half. Now the spread has dropped 61 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: from the look ahead line it was sixteen and a half, 62 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 1: so the Vikings now are down about a point and 63 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: a half from where they were. Vikings are really starting 64 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: to getting a role here. They continue to mix in 65 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: their passing game a little bit more. Does not sound 66 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: like Adam Thielen is going to play. More likely he's 67 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: out until Week nine after he left Sunday's game against 68 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: the Lions with a hamstring injury. I doubt the Vikings 69 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: are going to need him to win, but that could 70 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: account a little bit for the money probably coming in 71 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: a lit little bit on the Redskins. As for them, 72 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: they are coming off the monsoon game against the forty 73 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: nine ers where you really couldn't draw any specific conclusions. 74 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: So how do you feel about Vikings playing fifteen and 75 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: the over under forty one and a half. 76 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have much of an edge on this game. 77 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: The numbers look about right, especially with Adam Dala being out. 78 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: Kind of had to adjust a little bit for that. 79 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 3: I just, you know, I find it weird because Washington 80 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: to start the season they were such a good overteam. 81 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: Everybody was throwing on their defense and their secondary and 82 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: then that basically put case Keenum into into full pass mode. 83 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: And I remember the first couple of weeks, you know, 84 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: I was playing his player props over passing years almost 85 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: every week, and it was you know, it worked out 86 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 3: pretty well given the situation and how games had played out. 87 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 3: Now you look at the last three four games, Washington's 88 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: kind of turned into an under team, and I know 89 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: last week's weather or excuse me, yesterday's weather with San 90 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 3: Francisco kind of you know, I don't know exactly how 91 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: much you can you can put into that. It was 92 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 3: basically a slot fest with a lot of running the football. 93 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: But I agree with the move here from from forty 94 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: I think the opener forty forty half to forty one 95 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 3: and a half because I think this weekend with Washington, 96 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: you know, they've played you know, they played the Miami, 97 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 3: they were in there with with San Francisco, you know, 98 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: yesterday and whatnot, and they were perfectly content with running 99 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: the ball. And with the new coaching change, they've obviously 100 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: adopted that identity that they wanted to run the football. 101 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: But you know, as sixteen point underdogs and probably going 102 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: to be trailing most of the game, I think Washington's 103 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 3: gonna have to throw the balls to get back into it. 104 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 3: So my initial lean here is actually the over at 105 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: forty one and a half. So, you know, after the 106 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 3: first three weeks of going over, in the last three 107 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 3: weeks being an under team, I think I'm going to 108 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: go back to on the go back on the wagon. 109 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 2: Here and probably lean over here forty one and a half. 110 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. I mean the Redskins are 111 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,679 Speaker 1: overall relatively healthy in the Vikings defense, while strong, of course, 112 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: I mean they're not this just like lockdown unit anymore. 113 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: As Detroit showed yesterday putting up points with you know, 114 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: relative ease. It was more about the Vikings offense. And yeah, 115 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: you know, a Thursday night game without Adam Thielen. Fine, 116 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: but you know, I feel like as a general matter, 117 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: defenses aren't you know, always, you know, fully up for 118 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 1: the challenge going over here. You've got the Vikings coming 119 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: up with games against the Chiefs and then following that 120 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: up with the game against Dallas. This is an easy 121 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: spot for them to look ahead. I don't worry too 122 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: much about the spread, but I don't have a real 123 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: good lean on it. But I agree with you that 124 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: I think that the over is probably the player. At 125 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: least early, it's already moved that point. I would wouldn't 126 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: be surprised to see it move up to closer to 127 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: forty two, maybe even forty two and a half. 128 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: And I will say this too, Dan, I think early 129 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: in the season the past, you know, the first you know, 130 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 3: six seven weeks, I saw a lot of primetime games, 131 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: a lot of Thursday Night games go under the total. 132 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 3: It seems like every primetime game, Sunday night, Moday night, 133 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: Thursday Night seem to be low scoring games. 134 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: And I think now that we're. 135 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: Getting kind of into, you know, the second half of 136 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: the season here, we're going to start seeing that you know, 137 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 3: four day rest, the three and a half day rest 138 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 3: from Sunday to Thursday start taking new effect for the 139 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 3: defenses here, and I think we'll start seeing a little 140 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 3: bit more high scoring. 141 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: Games as the season goes on, To be perfectly honest 142 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 2: with you. 143 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely agree. Moving on to the next game, Seahawks 144 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: at the Falcons, the odds are still Seahawks laying three 145 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: and a half, and the over under at fifty three 146 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: and a half moved just slightly from the opening line 147 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: of fifty four. You've obviously got some question marks here 148 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: for the Falcons. Matt Ryan has a sprained ankle. He's 149 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: not ruled out for Week eight. He could play. Certainly, 150 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: the Falcon season is a complete dumpster fire and basically 151 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: done already at this point. Edo Smith is ruled out, 152 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: But other than that, this really depends on Matt Ryan. 153 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: So it's a little difficult. But let's assume Ryan plays 154 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: here unless you think it's worth jumping in at the Seahawks. 155 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: Leaning three and a half just given the uncertainty with 156 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: the Seahawks though, Look, they you know, are probably pretty 157 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: angry coming off a bad loss against Baltimore at home. 158 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: They were a little bit embarrassed. They're relatively healthy, not 159 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: fully of little injuries on the defensive side. But you know, 160 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, three and a half regardless of Ryan. 161 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: I'm all assume Ryan's healthy. Three and a half struck 162 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: me as a little bit light here. I expected this 163 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: to be more like four and a half somewhere closer 164 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: to that, and I think it's going to move that 165 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: way regardless of whether or not Ryan is ruled out. 166 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would expect that to jump even if Ryan's 167 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 3: in high ankle sprain. I believe it is. Even if 168 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 3: he's you know, even if he goes, he's not going 169 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 3: to be one hundred percent. And if I could be 170 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 3: wrong here, but I think some shops actually moved this 171 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: up to seven with with Ryan being out. You know, 172 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 3: I was reading some stuff talking to somebos and had 173 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: a group discussion, and you know that would imply that 174 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 3: he's worth you know, three and a half points to 175 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 3: the spread here. But I would actually say that Ryan's 176 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 3: worth more in this case from you know, the drop 177 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: off from Ryan to Shop. I think it's a lot 178 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: more than that. To be perfectly honest with you, I 179 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: don't I know, Matt Ryan's not playing like an MVP, 180 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: but you know, for him to keep the Falcons in 181 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 3: games the shootouts like that takes a lot. Like for 182 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: four quarters, this seems almost always trailing. And you know, 183 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: for all the problems that they've had, I don't think 184 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: he's been that big of a problem. You know, Seattle, 185 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: I've played a lot of Seattle overs early in the season. 186 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: They were one of my favorite teams to players. I 187 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 3: think they played their overs four straight weeks. You know, 188 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: obviously don't they don't have the defense that they once had. 189 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 3: But for me, when I made this number, I made 190 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: it fifty two and a half. So fifty three and 191 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: a half is pushing it. Fifty three and a half 192 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: fifty four is pushing it. For me, I would honestly 193 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: lean under here, Seahawks still a run heavy team. Don't 194 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: let Russell Wilson's pass as fully, they still want to 195 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: want to put the ball on the ground, and in 196 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: Atlanta actually has a very underrated front seven. 197 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: I know they've been bad. 198 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: I know the numbers would suggest otherwise, but they have 199 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: been getting pressure. So in this case I would lean 200 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: under and and basically hope that you know that Matt 201 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 3: Shop comes in and plays there, that Ryan isn't exactly 202 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: one hundred percent. 203 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: But my initial lean here is actually under, which is. 204 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 3: Crazy because I love playing both teams over, but this 205 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: just this number just got. 206 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: Too high for me. 207 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I think this is a game where the Seahawks can 208 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: probably win it pretty easily regardless of if Ryan plays, 209 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: particularly though if he's compromised, and I think in the 210 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: end that is what they want to do, right, I mean, 211 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson has been incredible, but in the end, Brian 212 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: Schottenheimer wants to run the ball, run the ball, run 213 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: the ball. That's all he really wants to do. And 214 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: I think this is a game that they can control 215 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: pretty easily on the ground, you know, just generally because 216 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: Chris Carson has been so good, and you know, I 217 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: think they'll be able to score. But I agree, this 218 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: is not a game that I think trends is a 219 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: shootout regardless. So I grew with the under and if 220 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: you can get again, you know there are shops still 221 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: offering three point five right now. I jump on it. 222 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: For the Seahxcers, I don't really care if Ryan plays, 223 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: even if you were one hundred percent. The Falcons are 224 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: just in disarray. I can't believe Dan Quinn still has 225 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: a job at this point. So if you like the line, 226 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: Joe Bonnett and if it pushes to seven, I mean, 227 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: if Ryan's out, I'm still fine to do that with 228 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: Matt schob because, as you pointed out, it is not 229 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: an insignificant downgrade, certainly at the quarterback spot. Let's move 230 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: on here to Broncos at the Colts. Colts here are 231 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: laying six and a half over under is at forty 232 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: three and a half. Colts just continue to roll. They're 233 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: still an underrated team, and with Darius Leonard back, they 234 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: can really lock down the run like they did against 235 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: the Texans. Meanwhile, the Broncos were everyone's underrated team that's 236 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: so much better than their record until they laid a 237 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: terrible egg against the Chiefs, even with Patrick Mahomes out. 238 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: On Thursday night. Now they have to travel to Indianapolis. 239 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: They get the mini by here because they're coming off 240 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: at Thursday night game. But how do you feel about 241 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: Colts laying six and a half under the keynotber of 242 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: seven and the over under at forty three and a half. 243 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is gonna be another under for me. I 244 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 3: was on the under of this past weekend Indianapolis Houston 245 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 3: and watching it unfold, this is just reminded me how 246 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: much I. 247 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: Hate betting unders. 248 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 3: But I sincerely think that this Colts team is not 249 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: the Colts team that we think it is, despite seeing 250 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: the score this past weekend. I know playing Houston's secondary 251 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 3: is a recipe for playing overs, but I thought it 252 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 3: was a good under because Jacoby Brissett's basically been. 253 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: A game manager. 254 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: If they haven't really put the ball in his hands, 255 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 3: they don't mind handing the ball off to Marlon Mack 256 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 3: and Jeorde Wilkins and you know, letting Jacoby Prissette throw 257 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 3: here and there. But they're not a shootout team. I 258 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: made this forty two and a half Denver's. Denver's offense, 259 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: to me, doesn't offer any upside. Joe Flacco obviously hasn't 260 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: been playing great. I think their receiving corps is extremely underwhelming. 261 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: Their defense is really the only thing that I can 262 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: can really pinpoint here as a strength. And to me, 263 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 3: I think this number is a point point and a 264 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 3: half high and I'm gonna wait to see if i 265 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 3: can get forty four. Forty four pops up, then I'm 266 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: gonna be on the under. But already grabs them at 267 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 3: forty three and a half and I feel real good 268 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: about it. 269 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: How about six and a half because that feels about 270 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: right to me. I mean, I expect the Colts to 271 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: win here. I wasn't surprised to see it under seven, 272 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: but I think this is about where it's gonna end up. 273 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: I don't expect it to move, and I think if 274 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: you like either side, you can wait because I'd be 275 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: shocked if it moves up to the key number of seven. 276 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: But that feels about right to me. 277 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, this feels very very early reminiscent of you know 278 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 3: the Colts they trying to think of. It was week four, 279 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: they were off a win, and then they came back 280 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 3: home and they were playing in Oakland and laid on 281 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: six and a half and it was just it looked 282 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: just so good to be true. Yeah, you know, road 283 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 3: teams off buys have typically fared well, and you know 284 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: maybe that plays a part into it too, But no 285 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 3: play on this on the spread, I made it six, 286 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 3: So you know, I couldn't tell you I'm terrible at 287 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 3: reading the market on spreads. I just it's it's gotten 288 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: to the point now where it doesn't matter how hard 289 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: I try. I just I can't get a read on 290 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: the market in terms of spreads. So you know, I'm 291 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: going back to the wall here with the total. I 292 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: just I think Denver and Indianapolis are gonna wind up 293 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: being two of the best under teams once it's all. 294 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: Said and done. 295 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: And I know that some of the box scores for 296 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 3: Indianapolis would suggest otherwise, but really, their identity under Frank Reich, 297 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 3: which is kind of weird to say, is it's kind 298 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 3: of been a conservative approach on offense. 299 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: And I think we're gonna see a slog. 300 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: Here, all right, So you heard it there. First, you 301 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: listen to whatever Alex says on the spread and just 302 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: do the opposite. But no, no, no, I honestly that's 303 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: fine that I've had. You know, a couple of weeks 304 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: where I felt great about it, in a couple of 305 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: weeks where I don't really have a good sense. This 306 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: at six point five feels about right to me. With 307 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: the Colts coming off a giant win against the Texans, 308 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: it feels a little bit like a letdown game, and 309 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: everybody's kind of off the Broncos because of how bad 310 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: they looked. But they're not nearly that bad a team, 311 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: so I think six and a half is good. I 312 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: would probably lean towards the Colts overall, so long as 313 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: it stays below the key number, but it's not something 314 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: where I'm overly excited about, nor I'm i With the 315 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: Cardinals at Saints, this was actually Saints laying eight and 316 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: a half. It's moved all the way up to Saints 317 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: lang ten, and the over under has stayed relatively where 318 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: it is forty eight open going to forty seven and 319 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: a half. So there's two teams. Look, they're both trending 320 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: in the right direction. The Saints remain undefeated with Teddy 321 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: Bridgewater under center. They don't miss a beat without Alvin 322 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: Kamara yesterday against the Bears. They're playing lights out defensively. Meanwhile, 323 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: the Cardinals have now won three in a row and 324 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: they got Patrick Peterson back. Admittedly, their three wins were 325 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: against the Bengals, Falcons, and Giants, three of the worst 326 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: teams in the league. So thoughts on coming in here 327 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: at Saints when it was eight and a half, it 328 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: was a little shocking to me. Ten makes me a 329 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: little more hesitant. But Saints lang ten and the over under, 330 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: I know that's your bread and butter forty seven and 331 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: a half. 332 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, so New Orleans was actually one of the first 333 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 3: bets I made this week. Arizona right now is probably 334 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 3: at the peak of their price right now in the market. 335 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could say. 336 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 3: That they have momentum, but obviously have to look at 337 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 3: the schedule. I mean, they beat Cincinnati sinn eighteen. That 338 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: was off a Thursday or excuse me, a you know, 339 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 3: a primetime loss to Pittsburgh. They beat Atlanta, you know, 340 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: a depleted Atlanta team who was off of beat down 341 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 3: in Houston, so they were on the second of a 342 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 3: back to back road game as well. And then last 343 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 3: week they go into New York. They go up seventeen 344 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 3: to nothing and really didn't look back. And the weather 345 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: in that game I think affected both game plans. But 346 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 3: you know, coming in, I think that New Orleans is 347 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: going to be able to do whatever they want offensively. 348 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 3: The offensive line is playing as good as anybody in 349 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 3: football right now, and I think that they're gonna be 350 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: able to contain Arizona's quote unquote pass rush or lack thereof. 351 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 3: And you know, Teddy Bridgewater twenty eight and seven against 352 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 3: a spread as a starter in the NFL, the best record, 353 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 3: you know for a minimum amount of stars for qualifying quarterback. 354 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: I also lean to the under here at forty eight 355 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: and a half. 356 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 357 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: I obviously don't love Cliff Kingsbury running basically a no 358 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: huddle college set because that tends to give you a 359 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 3: lot more possessions, tends to get in the a lot 360 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 3: of shootouts as we've seen this year. But the way 361 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: New Orleans defense is playing with Marshawn Lattimore and the 362 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 3: pass rush that they have, and you know, I can't 363 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: see Arizona on the second of a back to back 364 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: going into a dome and putting up points against a really, 365 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 3: really good New Orleans team. 366 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I my worry in both of these numbers, the 367 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: Saints slaying ten the over under and forty seven a 368 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: half is that the Saints would get out to a 369 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: big lead and then just kind of sit back a 370 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: little bit like they did against the Bears here in 371 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: this past game where the Bears were completely shut down 372 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: all game and then they just came roaring back at 373 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: the end with two touchdowns. They still lost by a 374 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: significant amount, but that would really be my worry. And 375 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: then I think the way the game plays out, the 376 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: Saints should be able to win by ten points. I agree. 377 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: The Cardinals to me strike me as complete paper tigers. 378 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: With this schedule. The Saints defense is absolutely legitimate in 379 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: that dome. They're getting really excited by the way. Of course, 380 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: there is a question of whether or not Drew Brees 381 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: is going to play, which could account a little bit 382 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: of the number. I am going to be shocked if 383 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: he plays in this game. I believe that they have 384 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: a bye the week after, right, they do have a 385 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: bye the week after that. I can't see any way 386 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: that they bring them back before the following game against Atlanta. 387 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: So to the extent that's factoring in, I really wouldn't 388 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: I expect it to be Bridgewater. It's it hasn't been that, 389 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, crazy in terms of what the Saints have 390 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: been able to do. But overall, I think the Saints 391 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: minus ten in the over under now at forty seven 392 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: and a half, I agree with with sort of you 393 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: know that line being around right. I just don't think 394 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: this is a game I'm going to touch at those 395 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: numbers for fear of kind of like the back door 396 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: cover certainly right by the Cardinals just sitting back a 397 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: little bit and letting it happen. 398 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean getting it whacked up all the 399 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: way to ten. 400 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 3: I mean if even if you're up by seventeen, I mean, 401 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 3: if you're up by three possessions, seventeen points, I mean, 402 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 3: I just I would have no faith in you know, 403 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 3: a defense being in prevent and letting go. 404 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: Lergists. 405 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 3: It's and that's why the Arizona team scares me that 406 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,239 Speaker 3: that offense there. I would take a lot of offenses 407 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: over Arizona's, But in a two minute drill garbage time, 408 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: I don't think there's there's another offense that I want 409 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: to see other than Kyler and you know, the receivers 410 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 3: and David Johnson, because they play at such a fast 411 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 3: pace and I've had to adjust for that a lot. 412 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: Again, I've played a lot of. 413 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 3: Overs and a lot of opponents team total overs when 414 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 3: I'm playing Arizona, but batting against them, honestly is not fun. Yeah, 415 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: you know the week two against Baltimore. I know, you know, 416 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 3: I'm from Phoenix, I live in here now, and I 417 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 3: know a lot of people who were on Baltimore in 418 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 3: that game, and they were just pulling their hair out 419 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: watching that game. And I faded Arizona last week against 420 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: New York and watching that offense. 421 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: When they're hot, they're hot. But I just don't I 422 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: don't love. 423 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 3: The matchup this weekend against you know, arguably the best 424 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 3: defense will face all year. 425 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 2: So to me, I took again. 426 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 3: I took New Orleans at eight and a half. I 427 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 3: wouldn't recommend them at ten right now, but I might 428 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: get involved on the total if it if it gets 429 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 3: to forty nine, because then in that case, I'm gonna 430 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be on both New Orleans and the other 431 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 3: in the spot. 432 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,239 Speaker 1: Yeah. Let's move on now here to the Chargers at 433 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: the Bears. The Bears are currently laying four and a half. 434 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 1: It was five and a half when I saw the 435 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: look aheadline, and the over under is now at forty 436 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: and a half, and it was at thirty nine and 437 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: a half. So like the last game, we've got two 438 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: teams here going in the same direction, but unlike the 439 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: other game, they are heading in the wrong direction. The 440 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: Chargers are coming off their third straight loss, a heartbreaker 441 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: to the Titans, which they should have won. If you 442 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: simulated that game one hundred times, they win probably at 443 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,959 Speaker 1: the end of ninety nine. They're just a disaster at 444 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: this point. Russell o'cun should come back this week, I think, 445 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: and help the offensive line, but they're obviously dealing with 446 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: injuries all over the place. On the other side, the 447 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: Bears look they're vonta defense. It just it looks completely 448 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: vulnerable against a run with a Keen Hicks down. You 449 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,919 Speaker 1: saw what Latavi's Murray was able to do. Josh Jacobs 450 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: had a big game before that. So they're really not 451 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: looking sort of like that shut down unit that we 452 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: kind of expected them to be and that they look 453 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: like early in the season. And again on offense, there's 454 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: just nothing. Mitchell Trubisky, he returned, but he looked terrible 455 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: until you know, late when there was garbage time. David 456 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: Montgomery is barely being used when he is he's not 457 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: getting much on the ground, So it's kind of two 458 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: teams that you don't really want to back either way. 459 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: But here Bear is now laying four and a half 460 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: total at forty and a half, what do you think, Yeah. 461 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 2: You hit the nail on the head. 462 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 3: There two teams trending out or trending in both directions, 463 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: you know, the same direction, and it's not up. You know, 464 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 3: there are times and I like playing overs between two 465 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 3: teams who are really bad because they just really don't care. 466 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 3: But I have no play on the total. I lean 467 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: Chicago in the spot. I don't really take into account 468 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 3: hangovers as much to the NFL as I do in college. 469 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 2: But for LA, this is just a terrible loss. 470 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 3: A week after getting blown out by the Steelers in 471 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 3: prime time. You didn't think it could get any worse, 472 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: but for some reason, LA found out that it could. 473 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 3: And it's weird because I think the Chargers are the 474 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 3: only franchise in the NFL that could actually have that 475 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 3: happen to them. 476 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 2: So West Coast team coming East Coast for an early kick. 477 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 3: Chicago's kind of heard it all on the media about 478 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: how bad they are. They get a beat up Chargers team. 479 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 3: I still think Chicago's we got a lot to play 480 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 3: for at three and three on like the two and 481 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 3: five Chargers. 482 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 2: At this spot, i'd lean Chicago minus four and a half. 483 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of like the Chargers at five and 484 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: a half. I was looking at them right now. This 485 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: entire game is a stay away, and you know, there 486 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: is becoming this sort of thing where there are a 487 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: lot of teams right now where I just do not 488 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: feel comfortable because I just do not know what I'm 489 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: going to see from them week in and week out. 490 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: The Chargers are one, the Titans are one. I don't 491 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: know if I will ever lay another line on the Titans, 492 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: regardless of which way it's going. The Bucks, I never 493 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm going to see out of the Bucks, 494 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: and I'm seeing that definitely from the Chargers and a 495 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: little bit from the Bears at this point, if anything. 496 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: Even at four and a half, I still actually think 497 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: I kind of lean a little bit towards the Chargers, 498 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,639 Speaker 1: just because I could see this one being kind of close, 499 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: being more of a three point game. I could see 500 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: the back door cover two even if the Chargers are down, 501 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 1: scoring a lay touchdown to to get it within three. 502 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: Or something like that, and the total at forty and 503 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: a half. That's fine. I don't really have a lean 504 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: on that. I would expect that to be around where 505 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: it is. But overall, this is really not a game. 506 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: I kind of want to go to you, so let's 507 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: keep going here. But before we do, I want to 508 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: tell everyone about the sponsor of today's show, BETMGM. Now 509 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: you know about BETMGM already. 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The Bengals are terrible. 546 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: We talked about it when we were breaking down Arizona's schedule. 547 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: The offensive line is in complete shambles, The defenses beat 548 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: up and they can't tackle anyone. They tried against the Jaguars. 549 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: They kind of kept the close for most of the game, 550 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: but that's hardly enough to give anybody any sort of 551 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: app optimism. Meanwhile, the Rams have struggled badly, but certainly 552 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: the Falcons can make any team feel better. They look 553 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: much better there. They're still desjointed, though Todd Garley doesn't 554 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: look like he's one hundred percent. The receivers aren't really 555 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: all that involved. The offensive line is still struggling. So 556 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: at twelve and a half, I still kind of lean 557 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: the Rams here. It's under the key numbers, of course, 558 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: but I don't feel great about it. Despite how terrible 559 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: the Bengals have been. In the over under moving up 560 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: to forty eight and a half, what do you think. 561 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, Cincinnati hasn't seen that. 562 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 3: I can't say I'm actually gonna say this, like, there 563 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 3: are bad teams in the league, and then there's like 564 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 3: bad but fun teams that I like, I wouldn't mind 565 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 3: watching a full sixteen minutes of Cincinnati's probably one of them. Like, 566 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 3: you couldn't pay me to watch a Tennessee game, You 567 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: couldn't pay me to watch the Dolphins, you couldn't pay 568 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 3: me to watch the Redskins. 569 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 2: But I like, I don't know what it is. I 570 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: just have o weird h Do. 571 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: You have an actual rationale for this? Because what you're 572 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: saying makes no sense to me. Because the Bengals are terrible, 573 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: the Dolphins are terrible, the Redskins are terrible. Why the Bengals, Oh, well, when. 574 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: They had their full when they had their full receiving 575 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 3: corpse of Boyd and John Ross and Audentate and you know, 576 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: the ghost of Tyler Eifert and your boy Joe Mixon, 577 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 3: who has I think twelve hundred yards from scrimmage this season. 578 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. They just they always 579 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: get down early and then they have to throw the 580 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: ball and they're always in shootouts and I don't know, 581 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 3: I just have a weird soft spot for the Bengals. 582 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: This is the weirdest take that I've ever had on 583 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: this podcast. I'm just letting you know, legitimately the strangest 584 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 1: sort of let me just tell you what. I love 585 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: the Bengals because they're terrible and they throw the ball 586 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: and I like watching them. I don't get it. Does 587 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: that influence your thoughts on the actual lines rams like 588 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: twelve and a half and the over? Are you just like, yeah, 589 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: I want the over because I want to root for 590 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: the Bengals and the Dalton to just have a shootout 591 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: or what. 592 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. I did play the over in this game. 593 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 3: I play almost every Bengals over if it's that's. 594 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: At least something that's actionable, that's a loose like, all right, 595 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 1: I think the Bengals are good for the over. That's fine, 596 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: go for it. So I don't. 597 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 3: I don't play fantasy, but I always have like this, 598 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 3: this this weird rationale of like, oh, I'm sure like 599 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 3: a lot of people like love the Bengals because they 600 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 3: have BOYD and I'm sure Dalton's like a streamable guy 601 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 3: and mixed. I just checked yesterday and mixed it as 602 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: like two hundred rucking yards. 603 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he does not do anything right now, Joe Mixon 604 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: in fantasy is like drop a ball. I do not 605 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: understand anything you're saying about the Bengals, mad, I mean, legitimately, 606 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: let's just say this. You like the over in this game? 607 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: Is that fair? 608 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 2: I thought they are right, I thought they had like 609 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: three wins. 610 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, no, no, they have not won a game. 611 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: Where are you looking? All right? All right, here's what I. 612 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 2: Wanted to do. I made I made the total fifty. 613 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 3: I played the over. 614 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine. I actually agree with you on the 615 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: over here. I think both teams are gonna be able 616 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,199 Speaker 1: to score. I think the Rams defense is not what 617 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: it once was, even though of course they added Jalen 618 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,919 Speaker 1: Ramsey and so it should be fine. But in London, 619 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that's tough that that doesn't number on teams. 620 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 1: I expect both teams. I do also like the over, 621 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 1: which is why it's moved significantly. And again for me, 622 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: nobody's going to take your advice on the spread at 623 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: this point because you love the Bengals too much. But 624 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: I actually kind of lean the Rams here at twelve 625 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: and a half. I expect that to move up a 626 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: little bit, but I don't know, man, London games are crazy, 627 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the It does throw a 628 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: little bit of a wrench into it, So I'm fine 629 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: if it's a stay away for most betters. For me 630 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: right now, I lean Rams at twelve and a half 631 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: and I still lean the over even at forty eight 632 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: and a half. When it was forty seven, I got 633 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: in one it. But at forty eight and a half, 634 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm more than happy. 635 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you'll see LA struggle against even somewhat 636 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 3: competent defenses. Even last week against Atlanta, seven point seven 637 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 3: yards per pass attempt and only two point five rushing 638 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: yards per attempt, so you know the box score they 639 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,919 Speaker 3: put up thirty seven points, but really it wasn't. I 640 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 3: mean they got set up by some good field position, 641 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 3: had benefited from some turnovers and whatnot. So I think 642 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: LA is a team to monitor going forward. I don't 643 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: think that. 644 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 2: Showing against San Francisco was a fluke. 645 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 3: I think teams more figured out their offensive line is 646 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 3: an have some train wreck, but against Cincinnati it doesn't matter. 647 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: I think they can name the score here and Cincinnati 648 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: is gonna have to throw the ball. So it's my 649 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 3: trade thought for Cincinnati is the same every week, so 650 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 3: it's for me, I just submit overs. 651 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: We have Bengals. 652 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: All of that is fair. And you know, aj Green, 653 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: I don't think has been ruled out yet. I'm not 654 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: expecting him to play here, and you know they've said 655 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: he's not going to play before the trade the line, 656 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: but then today they said we're not rolling him out. 657 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: So who knows. But I don't really think it matters. 658 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: I do expect them to be able to move the 659 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: ball a little bit here more and put up a 660 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: few points. So I do think that over forty eight 661 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: and a half right now would be the play. Let's 662 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: look at the Jets and Jaguars. The Jaguars here are 663 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: laying four and a half and the over under is 664 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: at forty one. Now, you know, we are recording the 665 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: Sun Monday before the Jets Pats game, so we haven't 666 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: seen what they look like tonight. But they obviously looked 667 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: far better against the Cowboys than they had all seasons. Meanwhile, 668 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: the Jaguars are just kind of treading along. The defense 669 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: is fine, it's not elite without Jalen Ramsey Minshew magic 670 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: is fading a little bit. They do win against the 671 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: Bengals in a game that the final score doesn't really 672 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: reflect that it was a closer game through at it now. 673 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 1: I don't know about you without seeing tonight, and who 674 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: knows what's going to happen. I kind of like the 675 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: Jets here at getting four and a half, and I 676 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: kind of like the over on forty one. I don't 677 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: know how you feel about that. 678 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 2: I'm with you on both. 679 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 3: I'm really hoping for a low scoring game tonight, something 680 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 3: in like the twenty seven to like three range, because 681 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: I hope this gets pushed down to forty and a 682 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 3: half forty. This is one of those games that looks 683 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 3: ugly on paper. I think if you tell somebody all 684 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 3: that Jets are playing the Jaguars like that total forty one, 685 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 3: that's gross. But like to me, I think that it 686 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: could be somewhat of a fun game because I think 687 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 3: with the Jets run defense being able to bottle up 688 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 3: Fournette right now, I think New York's number three and 689 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 3: rushing yards per attempt in the league right now, which 690 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 3: is fantastic. I mean, we don't necessarily say that about 691 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 3: the Jets defense, but they are good in that category 692 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 3: and if they can limit Fournette, and I think I 693 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 3: think Jacksonville's offense is a lot better when minshe's throwing 694 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 3: the ball because he actually has wide receivers and he's 695 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: being used in ways that Bortles wasn't used. 696 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: And obviously we didn't. 697 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 3: Get to see Nick Foles kind of in that offense, 698 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: but I think it would have been great for him 699 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 3: to be able to use these receivers that Jacksonville has. 700 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 3: And for the Jets obviously with Sam Darnold, I mean, 701 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 3: he to call it an upgrade over Luke Falk and 702 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 3: Travis Simion just doesn't do a justice, you know, with 703 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 3: the yards per attempt and actually throwing the ball down 704 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 3: the field like there is actually an offensive identity and 705 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: jackson I've just been playing again Jacksonville overs with Ramsey out, 706 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 3: they have just been getting burned. 707 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: They just look like they don't care. 708 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 3: It was you know we saw last year, like midway 709 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: through the season they kind of quit and a once 710 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: elite defense actually looked like Swiss cheese. And it's kind 711 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: of in the same way with Ramsey out. I mean, 712 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: they're they're basically letting any anybody do whatever they want 713 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: to them. Sans Cincinnati last week, before that fourth quarter 714 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 3: eruption in points. 715 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: But I'm with you here. Jets plus four and a half, 716 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna see if if that total gets pushed down, 717 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably grab some forty one. 718 00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 3: And then if it gets down even to forty and 719 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 3: a half forty, if there's a lot scoring game tonight, 720 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 3: then I'll probably add more to the over. 721 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 2: But I'm with you on this one, man. 722 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're on the same page here, and again, I 723 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: could see this game playing out in a few different ways. 724 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: The one way it's really hard for me to see 725 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,239 Speaker 1: playing out is a Jaguars like dominant performance where they 726 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: win by like, you know, twenty one or something like that. 727 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: The Jets really again, you know, you can't take anything 728 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: from what they look like without Sam Darnold in there. 729 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: It was an embarrassment. Luke falk is not equipped to 730 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: be a professional NFL quarterback or anything like that. And 731 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: I agree the Jaguars defense. I feel like they still 732 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: have this reputation because of what they were the last 733 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: couple of years, and they're just not the same. So 734 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: I agree, we're both on the same page here. Let's 735 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: move on to Giants at Lions. The Lions here are 736 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: laying six and a half. That's down from seven, and 737 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: the over under has ticked up from forty nine to 738 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: now fifty. Now, I'm gonna say this, the Lions are 739 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: the best two three and one team of all time. 740 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: They played the Vikings hard on Sunday, just coming up short. 741 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: They did lose carry On Johnson to a knee injury. 742 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: I do not know the sparity yet. We're recording on Monday. 743 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: We're not sure that could be meaningful. I'm not really 744 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: sure you know whether J. D. McKay sick and Ty 745 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: Johnson I believe are are going to really be able 746 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: to make that move there. Meanwhile, the Giants continue to 747 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: struggle on defense. Daniel Jones has come crashing down to 748 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: earth since his hot start. They did get Siquon Barkley 749 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: back against the Cardinals, but you know, they're really not 750 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: looking nearly as strong as I were. So how do 751 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: you feel here? Lions six and a half over under 752 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: a fifty. 753 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. I took the Giants plus seven in this spot 754 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 3: mainly just because I made it six and I said, 755 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 3: if you know, if I get a six, then I'll 756 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 3: think about it. Anything better than that, I was going 757 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 3: to fire on and I was lucky to get a 758 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 3: seven at minus one twenty. So yeah, this is just 759 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: basically pulling the trigger on a good number and one 760 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: that I felt was good. And you know, I don't 761 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 3: think we're going to see many sevens throughout the week. 762 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if this one settled six six 763 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 3: and a half. So I grabbed some seven, made it 764 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 3: five and a half and said that I would take 765 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 3: anything better than that. So I just I just took 766 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: a good number and hoping that Daniel Jones can can 767 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: do something. 768 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: I was a little surprised by the total that it's fifty. 769 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that you know that the Lion's 770 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: offense looks good, but you know, you, especially you're on 771 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: the spread here, do you have any thoughts on the 772 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: over unders since you've been all over the other until year. 773 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I made it forty eight and a half. Detroit 774 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 3: is a team. They're a weird team. They're a team. 775 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: I think in the past couple of years we've seen 776 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 3: our fair share of fifties. 777 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: And you know, Matt Stafford. 778 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: Mister shootout, you know, and you know they're always playing 779 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 3: from behind, they have to throw. But really that's not 780 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 3: the identity this season. I think Matt Matt Patricia's gone 781 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: with the more balanced approach finally because he's got a 782 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 3: running back and some guys in the offensive line, and 783 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: the receiving corpses to me is pretty damn good. Adding 784 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 3: Hockinson to Galladay and Jones, is that actually gives them 785 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 3: a pretty nice one to or nice one two three. 786 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, it's weird. It seems like the skill players 787 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 3: have gotten better, but the identity has changed and that 788 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 3: they want to kind of play ball control. 789 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 2: And I know last week. 790 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 3: They got into a shootout with Minnesota obviously trailing and 791 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 3: having to trade punches with mister shootout Kirk Cuz since 792 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 3: so yeah, I think this total has kind of gotten 793 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 3: a little out of hand at fifty. Again, I don't 794 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 3: really like playing Unders all that much in the NFL, 795 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 3: just because you know, with my luck there the seventeen 796 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: points going into the fourth and then thirty five in 797 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 3: the fourth, but I grabbed New York at seven and 798 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: I felt really good about it. 799 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: All right, let's move on here to the Bucks at 800 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: the Titans. The Titans here are now laying two and 801 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: a half. It wasn't three, so it's gone down a 802 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: little bit under the key number. The over unders held 803 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: steady at forty six. The Bucks here are off of bye. 804 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: They'll try to recover from that disaster against Carolina in London. Meanwhile, 805 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: the Titans switched to Ryan Tannehill really pays off with 806 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: the offense. It's not like they put up a ton 807 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: of points, but it's certainly moved more. They got involved 808 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: both Corey Davis and AJ Brown, so it was nice 809 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: to see sort of the Titans look much more competent 810 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: on offense. So with the offense looking stronger and the 811 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: defense being overall solid, how do you feel here Titans 812 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: laying two and a half over under at forty six. 813 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 3: So you said that the Chargers are one scene that 814 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 3: you don't want anything to do with the season team 815 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 3: that I want nothing to do with on a weekly basis, 816 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 3: mainly because I just. 817 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: Cannot get a read on this team. 818 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 3: For the life of me, I haven't won its Titans 819 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 3: game since like twenty sixteen. You know, looking at this one, 820 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 3: there's probably a ninety percent chance that I will not 821 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 3: be on anything in this game. But if I had 822 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 3: to go one way in this game, I'm probably going 823 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 3: under Tennessee being able to run the balls key for 824 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 3: Ryan Tannehill, and the Buccaneers are like number one in 825 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,840 Speaker 3: the league in rush yards per attempt. 826 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: Which is again, really really weird. 827 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 3: If you want to beat Tampa Bay, you got to 828 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,280 Speaker 3: go through their secondary. And I have no problem playing 829 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 3: Tampa Bay overs when they're playing offenses that spread out 830 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 3: or run play action, but Tennessee just doesn't do that. 831 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 3: And I really don't want to buy into Ryan Tannehill. 832 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 3: I don't think that this is the right time to 833 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 3: do that. But I actually I lean Tampa Bay and 834 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: I leaned the under. 835 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: In this spot. 836 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: It's my job to talk about these games, so I 837 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: am contractually obligated to discuss this one. But yeah, three 838 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: teams Chargers, Bucks, Titans, and this is two of them 839 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: that I have no read on whatsoever. I can't get 840 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: it the only I don't have any sense of the 841 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: spread whatsoever. But I do like the under because I 842 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 1: do think that this sets up, again for the reasons 843 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: that you sort of said, as more of a defensive game, 844 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: because like you said, the Bucks are strong against the run, 845 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: it's very solid. Their defense is overall underrated. I mean, 846 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: they're weak in the secondary. But again, you know, even 847 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 1: though Tannehill got involved all of the receivers this week 848 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: at least, I don't really expect them to be able 849 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: to move the ball through the air regularly like the Panthers, 850 00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,759 Speaker 1: for example, were able to do last week. So for me, 851 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: I agree, I lean under on forty six. I'm not 852 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: touching going anywhere, and I don't know what the spread 853 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: could be which would make me feel confident either way, 854 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: because I just never know which one of these teams 855 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: is going. 856 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 3: To show up. So this is high for a Titans game. 857 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 3: At forty six and a half, that's this is a 858 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:46,800 Speaker 3: lot of points. 859 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably reflecting the lack 860 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: of respect for the Bucks defense, given what you've seen 861 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 1: and given the fact that Tannehill was able to finally 862 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: get the balls to the wide receivers. But for me, 863 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,399 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I definitely lean the under. Let's 864 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: move on to the Eagles at the Bills. Bills here 865 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: favored by one and a half and the over under 866 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: at forty two and a half. Bills don't look, you know, 867 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: particularly impressive beating the Dolphins, even though they won by 868 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: ten points. They do get the win here they're always 869 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: tough at home. The Eagles are in absolute shambles. They're 870 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: beat up hard by the Cowboys on Sunday Night. Despite 871 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: all the sharp money pounding the Eagles coming into that game, 872 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: everybody loved them. They can't stop the pass at all. 873 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,439 Speaker 1: But that's not really the Bill's strength. So I get 874 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: I think why the spread is as close to as 875 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: it is. But what do you think here in Buffalo, 876 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: Bill's laying one and a half over under forty two 877 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: and a half. 878 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I took the under at forty two and a half. 879 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,400 Speaker 3: And this kind of falls in line basically with what 880 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: I talked about with Tampa Bay and with Houston. 881 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 2: Philadelphia kind of fits the same. 882 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 3: Bill there where I want to play all Philly overs 883 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 3: against teams that can throw the ball, that line up 884 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 3: in three four wide receiver sets and just kind of 885 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 3: run play action. 886 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 2: Philly gets burned by play action more. 887 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 3: Than almost any other team in the league, and Josh 888 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 3: Allen right now, I believe is twentieth in the league 889 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 3: in play action attempts. So yeah, it just comes down 890 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 3: to Buffalo's skill players not really having the ability to 891 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 3: stretch the field to beat Philadelphia. I think this game's 892 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 3: kind of played in the trenches, and I think that 893 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,280 Speaker 3: this is a pretty bad matchup for Carson Wentz against 894 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 3: a pretty good Buffalo secondary. Last week obviously wasn't a 895 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 3: really good sign for them giving up twenty one to 896 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 3: the Ryan Fitzpatrick lad Dolphins. But still, I think both 897 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 3: edges go to the defenses here. And I played the 898 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 3: under at forty. 899 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:26,439 Speaker 2: Two and a half. 900 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair. I think this is right 901 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: about where i'd peg this both ways. I just don't 902 00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: have a good sense of it. I agree the game 903 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: does not set up particularly well for a high scoring game, 904 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: one hundred percent correct, because again, like you said, really 905 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: where you can attack the Eagles is through their secondary, 906 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: which is always banged up and terrible generally, but they're 907 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,160 Speaker 1: pretty stout against the run. And you know you're not 908 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,919 Speaker 1: gonna rely on Josh Allen to torch a secondary. That's 909 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: just not what he does. He's too inaccurate to do it. 910 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: He moves the ball well and again his ability to scramble, 911 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: but they like they really prefer to rely on their 912 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: ground game if they can. Meanwhile, the Eagles they're just 913 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, there's too many things missing right now from 914 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: that offense. I mean even that pass yesterday to Aguilar, 915 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: are you just watching that as that long bomb that 916 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: they had where he could have got it and get into, 917 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, the end zone, and he just kind of 918 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: doesn't get there. And that's just kind of been what 919 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: the Eagles have been all year. So if I did 920 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 1: lean one way, it would be the under, but I 921 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 1: don't have a strong feeling on it, so it's more 922 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: of a game. I think that I'd probably take a 923 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: pass on Panthers at forty nine ers. The odds are 924 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: moving a little bit here in favor of the Panthers. 925 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: It opened at minus six. It's now forty nine ers 926 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: laying five, and the over under has come down to 927 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: point two. It was forty two and a half. It's 928 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: down to forty one and a half. We are going 929 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 1: to get Kyle Allen again here as the starter for 930 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: the Panthers. Ron Rivera came out and named him, and 931 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: he has game managed his way to victory. Sometimes it 932 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: looks kind of impressive, but mostly he's just, you know, 933 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: keeping things moving for the Panthers offense. The defense is 934 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 1: playing much better of late, particularly the run defense, catching 935 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,720 Speaker 1: up to what has been pretty consistently a very strong 936 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,720 Speaker 1: pass defense of the forty nine ers. They continue to roll, 937 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: they deal with them onsoon, and they remain undefeated against Washington. 938 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,720 Speaker 1: I kind of expected the Kyle us Check injury would 939 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: be a bigger deal. I can't really say that it's 940 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: made a huge difference. I mean, they didn't put up 941 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,839 Speaker 1: a lot of points against the Redskins, and they didn't 942 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: put up a lot of points against the Rams necessarily, 943 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: but I still think that, you know, you see the 944 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,359 Speaker 1: creative play calling, and I'm not really willing to write 945 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: it off, but they're strong, obviously undefeated on both sides 946 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: of the ball. How do you feel here at forty nine 947 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,439 Speaker 1: ers minus five again trending down and the over under 948 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: at forty one and a half. 949 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I missed the boat here at six. I should 950 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 3: have grabbed Carolina when it was up. Obviously, now it's 951 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 3: down to five, you know, San Francisco obviously, Like you 952 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 3: could talk about the schedule and how they've won their games, 953 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 3: like they're still six and zero, Like they've played, like 954 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 3: their defense is like very very good. I obviously the 955 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 3: biggest question mark here is Jimmy Garoppolo, who hasn't really played. 956 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 2: All that well. 957 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 3: I think this past game against Washington despite the weather, 958 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 3: you know, they won, despite hosting like four point something 959 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 3: yards per play. I mean, it was just ugly. But 960 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 3: you know, this is a team that's that's kind of 961 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 3: at the peak of their market price and a team 962 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 3: that you're probably looking to sell at some point. And 963 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 3: I think if you got a six, this is a 964 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 3: pretty good spot. Carolina off a bike. Again, we've talked 965 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 3: about teams on the road coming off buys and how 966 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 3: how great they've been over the past couple of years, 967 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 3: and Carolina, you know this this is an East Coast 968 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,879 Speaker 3: going to West Coast, but you know it's a four 969 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,799 Speaker 3: h five kick, So I don't really think you need 970 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:30,959 Speaker 3: to do it just for anything there. 971 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,320 Speaker 2: And really, Kyle. 972 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 3: Allen's played exceptionally well in place of Cam Newton. He 973 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,640 Speaker 3: looks really comfortable. This is obviously gonna be as tough 974 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 3: as test. But I really wish I would have grabbed 975 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 3: a six. I really missed the boat on that. I 976 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 3: should have been a little bit more alert there. 977 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 2: But again, you. 978 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 3: Know, spreads are not key for me in terms of 979 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 3: the total. I think, honestly I would lean over here 980 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 3: at forty and a half. It's just not a lot 981 00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 3: of points. And I know, I know San Francisco has 982 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,800 Speaker 3: been an under team, Carolina has kind of been split. 983 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 3: They've had their kind of wide range of games this season. 984 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 3: But at forty and a half, man, that's not a 985 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 3: lot of points for those two teams to get there. Obviously, 986 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 3: with the run defenses being as good as they are, 987 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 3: I think you're going to see a lot of throwing 988 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:17,680 Speaker 3: between Kyle Allen and Jimmy Garoppolo. So I lean you know, 989 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 3: I don't have any play here on the on the 990 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,399 Speaker 3: side at six. If you got it at six, great, 991 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 3: I don't really know what five does for you, but 992 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 3: I would lean over here at forty and a half with. 993 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,200 Speaker 1: The number going down, Yeah, the number actually is what 994 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: I am seeing, at least for the consensus is now 995 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: at forty one and a half. So I don't know 996 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 1: whether or not that makes a difference to you there. 997 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: I mean, it's at one point. But regardless, I think 998 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 1: we're viewing this as the same way. I think both 999 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: teams are going to be able to put up some 1000 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: points here. I don't expect it to be a crazy 1001 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: shootout or anything like that, but I do think that 1002 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: both offenses are you know, better kind of at least 1003 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,879 Speaker 1: the forty nine ers better than they've showed in recent weeks. Again, 1004 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: the Panthers have a great defense, and they're trending up 1005 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,319 Speaker 1: and they're coming off a buy, so you know they 1006 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: have plenty of time to game plan for this. But 1007 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: in terms of the spread, at least I agree at six, 1008 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 1: I like the Panthers. At five, I still think I 1009 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: leaned towards the Panthers, but I certainly not as strong 1010 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: as I once felt. And for the total, still at 1011 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: forty one and a half, I'm still leaning the over, 1012 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: but not strongly. So before we finish up with our 1013 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,239 Speaker 1: last few games, I want to mind everyone about our 1014 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,120 Speaker 1: October giveaway. It is a signed Odell Beckham Junior Cleveland 1015 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,399 Speaker 1: Brown's helmet. You can go to betting pros dot com 1016 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: slash contest for more details, but to enter, just leave 1017 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,240 Speaker 1: a review for the show on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher 1018 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 1: and send a screenshot of that review to contest at 1019 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: bettingpros dot com, and entry into any contest gets you 1020 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,240 Speaker 1: automatically entered into all future contests. So take your two seconds, 1021 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,319 Speaker 1: support the show and maybe win a free helmet. All right, 1022 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: let's move on to Raiders at Texans. The Texans here 1023 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,880 Speaker 1: are laying six and a half. It was at seven, 1024 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 1: but it's down six and a half. The over under 1025 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,799 Speaker 1: is at fifty one. The Raiders defense completely gashed by 1026 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, but their offense actually played pretty well despite 1027 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: all the injuries they've got going on, like Tyro Williams 1028 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: being out with planterfesci iis. They blew plenty of scores 1029 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: here in the red zone, like their car fumbling through 1030 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: the end zone, so the game could have been a 1031 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: lot tighter. Meanwhile, the Texans is a very tough game 1032 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: to the Colts. They also lose Will Fuller, who's got 1033 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 1: a hamstring string. He's definitely going to be out for 1034 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: at least this week to the extent that matters to you, 1035 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: but they've generally played well overall. So we've got the 1036 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 1: Raiders at the Texans with the Texans lank six and 1037 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: a half and a pretty high over under a fifty one. 1038 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: How do you feel? 1039 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, this this is a weird game 1040 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 3: for me because i feel like I'm not adjusting enough 1041 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,919 Speaker 3: for the Texans offense as well as their defense because 1042 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 3: I made this forty nine and a half and I 1043 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 3: was gonna get involved on the under at fifty one. 1044 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 3: But I'm starting to have some second thoughts. Houston's secondary 1045 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 3: is obviously terror like terrible as an understatement, given that 1046 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 3: they are starting. I believe the Pro Football Focus ranked 1047 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 3: their cornerbacks number one hundred and twenty one and one 1048 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty two out of one hundred and twenty 1049 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 3: two cornerbacks, so they are legitimately starting the two worst 1050 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,719 Speaker 3: cornerbacks in the in the league. And then you know, 1051 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,320 Speaker 3: I've talked myself into, ok, well, you know Oakland's running 1052 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 3: this West Coast horizontal offense, and you know they're not. 1053 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 3: They don't really necessarily have a guy who can stretch 1054 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 3: the field vertically unless you know it's Tyrol Williams. Obviously 1055 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 3: he's been dealing with some injuries. I've gone back and 1056 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,279 Speaker 3: forth on this game a hundred times. You know, you 1057 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 3: could talk about Houston's offense and how good it is 1058 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 3: and how they should just pick apart Oakland's secondary, as 1059 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,239 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers did last weekend, and then he talked about 1060 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 3: will Fuller and how key he is to the offense 1061 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 3: and stretching the field for Nuke, and I've kind of 1062 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 3: gone back and forth on this. I have no no 1063 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,320 Speaker 3: lean on the spread, but I would in this case, 1064 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 3: per my numbers, I would lean to the under at 1065 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 3: fifty one. Although I think if you're gonna do that, 1066 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 3: this is just a game that you just do not 1067 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 3: watch because it could get it could get really ugly, 1068 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,160 Speaker 3: really quick, and it could get into a track meet 1069 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 3: pretty pretty damn fast. 1070 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I lean a little bit towards the over. 1071 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:52,840 Speaker 1: I know it's a high number here, but you know, 1072 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's you. 1073 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:54,239 Speaker 3: You. 1074 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: I can hear you. You're hesitant. I know what you're saying. 1075 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,399 Speaker 1: You're saying my number. 1076 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 3: Yes, I'll probably it's funny because I'm probably gonna this 1077 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 3: is gonna be one of those games where I have 1078 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 3: nothing involved in it, and by you know, eleven to 1079 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 3: fifty five, five minutes before kick, I'm be like, you 1080 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 3: know what, I might just playing a way, just go 1081 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 3: score points and it'll be side of three and. 1082 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: A half and not that I mean in the end, 1083 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: I think I think really what it does come down 1084 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,960 Speaker 1: to is the fact that the Raiders, you know, even 1085 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: I mean, somehow without tyroll Williams. I mean, yesterday it 1086 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: was Darren Waller, of course, but Josh Jacobs looks legitimate. 1087 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,200 Speaker 1: He's also getting a little more involved in the passing game, 1088 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,960 Speaker 1: which I really like. They can score. Their offensive scheme 1089 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: is working for them, so I do expect them to 1090 00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,160 Speaker 1: be able to put up points, especially given the concerns 1091 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: about the Texans secondary that you mentioned. And on the 1092 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,839 Speaker 1: flip side, look, you can attack the Raiders any way 1093 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: you want. I mean, and the Texans can. They showed 1094 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,000 Speaker 1: last week, you know, before they faced the Cults, they 1095 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,399 Speaker 1: leaned heavily on Carlos hide there. He had a ginormous game. 1096 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: I believe it was against the Chiefs. Yeah, right, against 1097 00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,319 Speaker 1: the Chiefs, sort of their revenge game. But they're able 1098 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: to lean on Hide in Duke Johnson if they really 1099 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: want to. But Deshaun Watson can really do whatever he wants. 1100 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,880 Speaker 1: I get will Fuller is a loss, But you know, 1101 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 1: Kenny still is being healthy. He kind of stepped right in. 1102 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: He kind of fills that role kicking QT is still there, 1103 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:04,879 Speaker 1: so I think this is just going to be a 1104 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: massive shootout, and I really do I lean over watching 1105 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,640 Speaker 1: watching the Raiders in recent weeks has basically made me 1106 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 1: come around on their offense, especially what they were able 1107 00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: to do Green Bay, which I admit is sort of 1108 00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: not quite as strong as we thought originally with their 1109 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: pass defense, but it's still a pretty strong pass defense, 1110 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,440 Speaker 1: and they easily could have put up like thirty five 1111 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: points on that deep. 1112 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Raiders are so weird because they're not really 1113 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,759 Speaker 3: this big play type of Loddens, but they just they 1114 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 3: can eat up six seven yards at a time. And 1115 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 3: if you're getting seven every time, you're chewing up five 1116 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 3: six minutes, like that's that's good enough, you know what 1117 00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:36,799 Speaker 3: I mean, Like as long as you're scoring seven and 1118 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,680 Speaker 3: not having to go, you know, and then you're not 1119 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 3: settling for field. 1120 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 2: Goals in the red zone. 1121 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 3: Those that's the difference between going over and under and 1122 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 3: getting into a shootout with Aaron. 1123 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 2: Rodgers obviously played a factor in that. 1124 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,399 Speaker 3: But yeah, this is either going to be a game 1125 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 3: that ends up twenty to seventeen or it's gonna be 1126 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,359 Speaker 3: forty to thirty five and we're going to be like, well, 1127 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 3: that was the stupidest total. 1128 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: Of all time. So yeah, no, I agree that that's 1129 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,799 Speaker 1: a really good point. And again, the Raiders, I do 1130 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: feel a little bit more confident, and I have no 1131 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,480 Speaker 1: confidence in their defense. So that's a good recipe. Browns 1132 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: at pats here, Patriots laying ten the over under at 1133 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: forty five and a half. Again, we have not yet 1134 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,480 Speaker 1: seen the Patriots tonight against the Jets. Their defense is tremendous, 1135 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: the offense is a little bit hit or miss with 1136 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: all the injuries, Josh Gordon not playing tonight. And meanwhile 1137 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,720 Speaker 1: the Browns they just can't seem to get it together. 1138 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,879 Speaker 1: They lost a tough game to Seattle where they were 1139 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: way ahead. The sharp play was all over them in 1140 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,319 Speaker 1: that game. So how do you feel here? Patriots at 1141 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: home lank ten to the Browns over under at forty 1142 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,239 Speaker 1: five and a half. 1143 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, as much as I have faded the Browns this year, 1144 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,240 Speaker 3: I think tens a lot of points. 1145 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:35,640 Speaker 2: Really. 1146 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 3: You know, this was a primetime spot, and we obviously 1147 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 3: know how great Bill Belichick and Tom Brady have been 1148 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 3: in prime time. 1149 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,879 Speaker 2: You know, to me, tens, just tens is too much. 1150 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,279 Speaker 2: And I think it comes down to what we kind 1151 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:47,840 Speaker 2: of talked about in. 1152 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 3: The Arizona New Orleans game, where you know, I think 1153 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,279 Speaker 3: this is a fourteen fifteen to sixteen point game. 1154 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,760 Speaker 2: The obviously the back door is gonna be be crucial here. 1155 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,680 Speaker 3: I might get involved in the total. The over at 1156 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,879 Speaker 3: forty five and a half, I'm glad it's dropped again. 1157 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,000 Speaker 3: I'm hoping for another, you know, like we talked about 1158 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 3: low scoring games today, maybe pushed that total down a 1159 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,520 Speaker 3: little bit more. But I have been impressed with Cleveland's 1160 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 3: defense at times when healthy. I think Greedy Williams and 1161 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 3: Denzel Award have played exceptionally well despite being in their 1162 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,640 Speaker 3: second and first years. You know, with if Josh Gordon's out, 1163 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 3: I think it becomes a lot easier. And I think, uh, 1164 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 3: I think there's enough talent on Cleveland's offense. If Freddy 1165 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,480 Speaker 3: Kitchens unless unless he just continues to be a train 1166 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 3: wreck offensively calling plays, I still think ten in the 1167 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,279 Speaker 3: spots a little too much, even though i've I've I've 1168 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 3: faded Cleveland more times than I've played him this season. 1169 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: So did you say you lean towards the over? I do? Yeah, yeah, no, no, 1170 00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: I did too. I just want to make sure that's 1171 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,160 Speaker 1: what you said, because then you start making some some 1172 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,280 Speaker 1: decent points about the defense frankly, and I was like, yeah, no. 1173 00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,279 Speaker 3: Just to kind of and obviously it's funny because you 1174 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,440 Speaker 3: could you could make the case however you want, and 1175 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,200 Speaker 3: there are always two sides to it. But you know, 1176 00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,160 Speaker 3: in this case, I do like the upside that Cleveland's 1177 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,200 Speaker 3: pass secondary has against Tom Brady. 1178 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 2: If if you know Josh. 1179 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,800 Speaker 3: Gordon's not available, obviously they're gonna scheme and they're score points. 1180 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,879 Speaker 3: But you know, in terms of being able to kind 1181 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,839 Speaker 3: of stay in this game and keep it within range, 1182 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,279 Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be a blaw and 1183 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 3: it's gonna have to be because again, like we talked 1184 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,399 Speaker 3: about it, this is a fourteen to fifteen point game. 1185 00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,240 Speaker 3: You know, the back door is wide open, and Tens 1186 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,759 Speaker 3: just getting double digits, even though Cleveland's probably not the 1187 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 3: team that we thought they were going to be on paper. 1188 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 3: Obviously we know they look good, but Tens ten to 1189 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 3: me in this spot, it's just is just too much 1190 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,040 Speaker 3: get getting double digits. 1191 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: Yep, I completely agree. I leaned towards the Browns and 1192 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,560 Speaker 1: I lean towards the over I don't feel great about, 1193 00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, going with the Browns just because they're another 1194 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,360 Speaker 1: team who I feel like I don't really know what 1195 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna see right now, from you guys, but coming 1196 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,640 Speaker 1: off the buy Pats off a short week, assuming nothing 1197 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: crazy happens tonight, of course, I agree ten just seems 1198 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,919 Speaker 1: too high, and the over under yeah, I think both 1199 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: teams are going to be able to move the ball 1200 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,640 Speaker 1: at bit and put up. Obviously the Patriots will, but 1201 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:48,800 Speaker 1: I do think that the Browns are going to be 1202 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: able to move the ball even on the tough Pats 1203 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,360 Speaker 1: d Let's move on here to the Packers at the Chiefs. 1204 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,320 Speaker 1: This one has obviously swung wildly since it originally opened, 1205 00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,279 Speaker 1: which was I believe the Chiefs laying four points when 1206 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 1: Mahomes was healthy. It is now all the way up 1207 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 1: to the Packers laying four points. The over und are 1208 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: still at forty eight. DeVonta Adams probably still going to 1209 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,160 Speaker 1: be out here for the Packers, is my guest, but 1210 00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,160 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers was completely dominant against the Raiders. As we 1211 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 1: discussed before. How do you feel here, Packers playing four 1212 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: total at forty eight? 1213 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 3: Well, I wish Mahomes was playing because I would have 1214 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 3: played the over at anything sixty three or lower. 1215 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:21,360 Speaker 2: I'm not kidding you. 1216 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 3: That would have been just the most fun game of 1217 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,880 Speaker 3: all time. So this sounds funny because Green Bay's defense 1218 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,000 Speaker 3: runs out of dime most of the time, and if 1219 00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:34,719 Speaker 3: you look over the past few weeks, they've just been 1220 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,200 Speaker 3: giving rushing yards up like candy on Halloween. And unfortunately 1221 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,560 Speaker 3: Kansas City doesn't necessarily have a rush offense. They've tried 1222 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,200 Speaker 3: to get Lashawn McCoy involved. Damian Williams is I don't 1223 00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,799 Speaker 3: even know if he's alive anymore. So this would have 1224 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,239 Speaker 3: been a great matchup if you're playing a running team, 1225 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,279 Speaker 3: but obviously, with Casey's tendency to pass the ball, with 1226 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,279 Speaker 3: Andy Reid's system, I don't think it boats necessarily well 1227 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 3: for them. Kansas City at home, I know home in 1228 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 3: road defensive splits are kind of noisy, but Kansas City's 1229 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 3: typically been better. 1230 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,840 Speaker 2: Defensively at home than they have been on the road. 1231 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,399 Speaker 3: In all honesty, I kind of lean under here at 1232 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 3: forty eight, and I like the Chiefs plus four haven't 1233 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,320 Speaker 3: gotten involved in this game just because it gets it 1234 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 3: always gets so tricky when you're talking about backup quarterbacks, 1235 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,480 Speaker 3: and obviously, with Mahomes, who's arguably the best player in 1236 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,719 Speaker 3: the league, it's kind of tough to pinpoint in an 1237 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,840 Speaker 3: adjustment here. I know, last week, you know, more stepped 1238 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 3: in for a couple of quarters or whatever. We don't 1239 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,520 Speaker 3: have a big enough sample size. But man, this is 1240 00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 3: just this is too tricky for me. But honestly, I 1241 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,160 Speaker 3: would lean the under the spot at forty eight. And 1242 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,640 Speaker 3: to be honest, I don't know if I'll get involved 1243 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,200 Speaker 3: yet because this is a game that could also get 1244 00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,839 Speaker 3: stupid if the skill players can do anything for Matt Moore, 1245 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,960 Speaker 3: because there's a huge advantage for them against green Bay secondary. 1246 00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't feel great about the total, but I 1247 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,000 Speaker 1: agree with you that I lean Chiefs here getting four. 1248 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,879 Speaker 1: And you know the thing about Matt Moore, I mean 1249 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 1: he's not in the same stratosphere of course as Patrick Mahomes, 1250 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,880 Speaker 1: but he's one of the better backup quarterbacks in the league. 1251 00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: This is essentially sort of coming off like a mini 1252 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,880 Speaker 1: bi because they played on Thursday, so you know what 1253 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: Andy Reid does when he gets extra time to prepare. 1254 00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,320 Speaker 1: That's a tough place to play. It doesn't matter, you know, 1255 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 1: I know they they haven't you know, they lost to 1256 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,800 Speaker 1: Indianapolis and stuff, and so you know, you're thinking about 1257 00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: what it's like to play at Arrowhead. But it's historically 1258 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,280 Speaker 1: been a really really difficult place to play. The Packers 1259 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,879 Speaker 1: are coming off this monstrous when they still don't have 1260 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,120 Speaker 1: many offensive skill playmakers, right. I mean, they've got the 1261 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:32,240 Speaker 1: running backs, but they don't you know, Marcus Valdez Scantling 1262 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: isn't really doing it Toronto, Mo Allison. Those guys are 1263 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:36,800 Speaker 1: not going to scare you. And in the end, the 1264 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,359 Speaker 1: Chiefs are getting a little healthier on defense. They looked good. 1265 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,440 Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to you don't want to 1266 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: take too much from the Broncos, but they looked like 1267 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,400 Speaker 1: they're getting a little bit better on defense, and they 1268 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,279 Speaker 1: are getting a little healthier. So I agree with you 1269 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,120 Speaker 1: with that where I lean initially with the Chiefs on four, 1270 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,359 Speaker 1: and I bet you as this gets bet up because 1271 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: it was at three, it's at four. The Packers are 1272 00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 1: a really public team. I bet you you're gonna see 1273 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,720 Speaker 1: some sharp money here hitting the Chiefs at some point. 1274 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,680 Speaker 1: So I'm fine to jump on a at four. Let's 1275 00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,440 Speaker 1: move on to our final game, Dolphins at the Steelers. 1276 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,880 Speaker 1: Steelers here are now laying fourteen and a half. It 1277 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,759 Speaker 1: was sixteen and a half, So my guess is some 1278 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,360 Speaker 1: money came in here on the Dolphins at that inflated spread, 1279 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,960 Speaker 1: the over under state steady at forty three. The Dolphins 1280 00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: are what they are. The offense is kind of borderline 1281 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,800 Speaker 1: competent when Ryan Fitzpatrick is under center, and meanwhile for 1282 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,600 Speaker 1: the Steelers, Mason Rudolph should return. But the Steelers offense 1283 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 1: is successful basically on a pure gimmick. I mean, they're 1284 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,359 Speaker 1: just doing all sorts of crazy things. The defense has 1285 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,000 Speaker 1: been very, very strong, particularly since Mike Fitzpatrick came over. 1286 00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: So how do you feel here? Steelers playing fourteen and 1287 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,080 Speaker 1: a half over under at forty three. 1288 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,040 Speaker 4: So this game is so weird because early on in 1289 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 4: the season, when when Fitzpatrick was benched and Rosen came in, 1290 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,719 Speaker 4: I started jumping on the Miami Dolphins over bandwagon because 1291 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,200 Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well you got Josh Rosen. 1292 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 2: He's an upgrade, kind of really has you know, nothing 1293 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 2: to lose. 1294 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:58,279 Speaker 3: It's and sure enough, like Ryan Fitzpatrick is the guy 1295 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 3: who has more air yards per a tent than Josh Brosen, 1296 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,239 Speaker 3: and then on the opposite side, Devlin Hodges has more 1297 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 3: yards per attempt than Mason Rudolph. So it's just one 1298 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,279 Speaker 3: of those games where everything's kind of ass backwards to me, 1299 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 3: I don't have a play on this game. I made 1300 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,200 Speaker 3: it thirteen and I made it forty two. I don't 1301 00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,760 Speaker 3: know how much you can take away from from last 1302 00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 3: week's game against the Bills, where the offense kind of 1303 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,359 Speaker 3: kind of looked competent against Buffalo. You know, there were 1304 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,279 Speaker 3: some times when Miami got bailed out by penalties, and 1305 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,439 Speaker 3: you know, if it's Patrick kind of just made some 1306 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:38,719 Speaker 3: other worldly throws in about time of Miami overhit. I 1307 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 3: think I was like zher and four betting overs this year. 1308 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:42,960 Speaker 3: So I finally got one last weekend. But you know, 1309 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,640 Speaker 3: I wish I could have could end the show in 1310 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,960 Speaker 3: a bang with a play. But really, I doubt I'm 1311 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,200 Speaker 3: going to be involved here on the spreader total. There 1312 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,360 Speaker 3: are probably some player props I'll get involved in, but 1313 00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,720 Speaker 3: spread in total, I really this game just doesn't appeal 1314 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,520 Speaker 3: to me from a viewing standpoint or a betting standpoint. 1315 00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 2: To be perfectly honest with you, man. 1316 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,400 Speaker 1: This is such a terrible way for us to go out, 1317 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,440 Speaker 1: because I completely agree I have nothing on this game whatsoever. 1318 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I hope Alex has something 1319 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,520 Speaker 1: coming in because I'm looking at this and I'm just like, 1320 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,680 Speaker 1: uh no, not really. I mean, I don't even have 1321 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,040 Speaker 1: a lean. I really don't. I just I just don't 1322 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,160 Speaker 1: feel good about either of these numbers at this point. 1323 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,279 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not even gonna offer anything. I'm not 1324 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,200 Speaker 1: even gonna try to fill time because I don't have it. 1325 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,040 Speaker 1: I've got nothing going on. So it's an unfortunate way 1326 00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:27,719 Speaker 1: for us to end the show. But overall, I mean, 1327 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: it was fun giving your Bengals bit. I feel like 1328 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:31,839 Speaker 1: we really saved it, So I'm not I'm not all 1329 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:32,960 Speaker 1: that concerned about it. 1330 00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,359 Speaker 3: I need a soundboard with just just tidbits from that part, 1331 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,839 Speaker 3: because that's fantastic. I can't believe that you don't view 1332 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,319 Speaker 3: the Bengals like that. I can't believe that, Like I 1333 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 3: live in this this alternate universe where I'm like the 1334 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 3: only one who thinks that the Bengals are like a 1335 00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:47,719 Speaker 3: fun bad team. You know. 1336 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,279 Speaker 1: So if you're listening out there and you are a 1337 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,719 Speaker 1: therapist who specializes in obsession with Bengals, then please give 1338 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,400 Speaker 1: Alex a call. He's gonna remind you right now where 1339 00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,839 Speaker 1: you can find more of him and his work ahead 1340 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:00,760 Speaker 1: out Yeah. 1341 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,360 Speaker 3: You can find me at the Score dot Com obviously 1342 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,600 Speaker 3: download the app. We have everything we're covering now college. 1343 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:08,240 Speaker 2: Football and NFL. 1344 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,040 Speaker 3: We're also gonna be doing some some world serious stuff. 1345 00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:14,399 Speaker 2: We always have hockey stuff. I'm gonna be doing some. 1346 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,719 Speaker 3: Horse racing stuff this weekend. So anything under the sun 1347 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,880 Speaker 3: that's bettable, you could probably find it at the Score 1348 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,040 Speaker 3: and then you can follow me on Twitter at ajkloj. 1349 00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,640 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna spell that out for you. 1350 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,000 Speaker 3: Because you know, if if you can't get it right 1351 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,160 Speaker 3: by now, then really. 1352 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,239 Speaker 1: There's we don't have enough time on the show it 1353 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,560 Speaker 1: But go back to the beginning of the show and 1354 00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,880 Speaker 1: you can listen. Alex is a great follow on Twitter. 1355 00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,800 Speaker 1: You can tell he's he's got a lot of fantastic insights, 1356 00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,640 Speaker 1: so make sure to give him a follow. Alex, thanks 1357 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,160 Speaker 1: again for coming back on the show. I hope we 1358 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,920 Speaker 1: can do it at least once more before the NFL 1359 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:44,719 Speaker 1: season ends, hope. 1360 00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 2: So Dan, thanks very much and go Bengals. 1361 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,040 Speaker 1: You bet all right, Thanks again to the sponsor of 1362 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,160 Speaker 1: today's show, bet MGM. Remember to download the bet MGM 1363 00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,960 Speaker 1: Sports app and use the promo code Harris to get 1364 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,560 Speaker 1: your risk refirst wager of up to five hundred dollars, 1365 00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,239 Speaker 1: and don't forget to rate and review the podcast. 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