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Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. So Gucci Westman came upon

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Speaker 1: the scene when I was still at the Bobby Brown

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Speaker 1: Cosmetics brand. But I watched her and I thought she

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Speaker 1: was so cool, and all of a sudden, she just

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Speaker 1: popped up and was doing every cover and every celebrity

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Speaker 1: and I was like, who is this girl? And then

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Speaker 1: I met her and we became instant friends. Gucci Westman

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Speaker 1: launched her brand Westman Altelier in Barney's in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eighteen. Her brand is beautiful, it's clean. I'm really

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Speaker 1: excited to talk to Gucci, to hear her path, how

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Speaker 1: she went from being a makeup artist to brand founder,

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Speaker 1: and just catch up and see everything she's doing. So

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Speaker 1: here's my conversation with Gucci Westman. Hey, Gucci, Hi, Bobby,

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Speaker 1: It's so nice to see you. It's so nice to

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Speaker 1: see you. I was so honored to be asked to

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Speaker 1: do this. And as you know, I always talk about you.

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Speaker 1: I'm one of your biggest fans. I always actually talk

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Speaker 1: about you as a mentor, you know. For me. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've been I've been watching and I have been amazed

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Speaker 1: and proud, and I don't know how you're doing what

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Speaker 1: you're doing while raising the three kids, and uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I especially during this pandemic, I've just been watching every

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Speaker 1: little thing is we are all doing, I know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's kind of incredible that we have

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Speaker 1: been as as a culture your note. I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're quite resourceful and and shifting over to what is working,

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Speaker 1: you know, such as podcast and and things like that.

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Speaker 1: And I think the productive for us has been really

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Speaker 1: amazing and inspiring and impressive. It's like, who knew? I

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, this was definitely not what I

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Speaker 1: had predicted, which is great. But you're but you are

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Speaker 1: a true entrepreneur, because if you're not an entrepreneur, it's

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Speaker 1: easy to say, oh, everything so bad. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: in lockdown, you can't do anything, can't get out. And

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Speaker 1: you know you shifted. I saw you shift, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know we're we're gonna, we're gonna go

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Speaker 1: back first. But I know that when one of the

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Speaker 1: stores you were enclosed, you know, that must have been

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Speaker 1: a big bummer. When you were in Barney's, like that

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Speaker 1: was a big, you know deal for you. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was a big deal. I still am so saddened by

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Speaker 1: what happened to Barney's. You know, we felt like it

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Speaker 1: was such a perfect platform for us to launch with them,

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Speaker 1: you know, the type of boutique environment and how it's

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Speaker 1: really for it leads itself, you know to specialty kind

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Speaker 1: of littler brands, I feel, and that was that was tough. Luckily,

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Speaker 1: you know David, you know David well, my husband, he

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Speaker 1: is he kind of you know, saw it coming, so

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Speaker 1: we didn't suffer too much, which, um, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: fortunate in terms of loss, but of course it's sad

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Speaker 1: that they closed and we had to quickly, you know,

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Speaker 1: be as nimble as we could and and pivot. And

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Speaker 1: Gucci's um adorable, gorgeous, brilliant husband is David Neville. Is

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Speaker 1: that how you say his last name? Yeah, one of

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Speaker 1: the founders of um Rag and Bone, still still one

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Speaker 1: of my go to clothing lines. But I met him

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Speaker 1: early on, you know, before you even launched. But where

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Speaker 1: did I meet you the first time? Because I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to remember. I think the first time we met in

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Speaker 1: and say I love you and you're such an inspiration. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I remember the other way I ran up to you

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Speaker 1: possibly could. And I remember talking about possibly, you know,

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Speaker 1: for a second, because I I don't always go back

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Speaker 1: to people's you know, childhood, but yours is so interesting.

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Speaker 1: You were born in California and were your parents hippies

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Speaker 1: even even better or weirder, because yes, my parents were hippies. Um.

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Speaker 1: And my given name when I was born was Chelsea

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Speaker 1: It's I didn't even get a she. I got a he,

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Speaker 1: and then he consequently named his daughter Googi. Oh God,

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Speaker 1: how lucky did you get? I felt like, oh, at

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Speaker 1: I remember when I first started hearing about you, I

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Speaker 1: hell is Gucci? Like your rise was really quick, and

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Speaker 1: but you're also your highlights include all these cool celebrities

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Speaker 1: Spike Jones, he asked me, well, first I did this

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Speaker 1: great on your skin. Well, everyone's gonna have to tune

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Speaker 1: I'm really proud of you. I just have to say

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Speaker 1: And keep up the good work. Thank you, Bobby. For

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