1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: As far as past catchers go, you can't start much 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: better than Marvin, Michael and Trey Got Yeah, Nobody with Me, 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Bird Gangs, Flying Solo, which might be a show first, 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: but not entirely alone. Trevor Sikima of Pro Football Focus 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: joins the show. He and I chatted up last week 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: at the scouting Combine. Always good information, always a fun conversation, 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: and despite the struggles of this past season, Trevor likes 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: a lot of the individual talent on both sides of 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: the ball. At Cardinals Cover two, Episode nine eighty five 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: and it starts now. 11 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two POA Baker, What Heart? 12 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: What rent? 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: This guy's unbelievable. 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 3: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 15 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcast visit Azycardinals 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 3: dot Com slash podcast topic. 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: Right at the five hit to the ends up for 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: the Cardinal touchdown. 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 4: Drey McBride, he's been an absolute monster. 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: Here's Craig Griola, so this is just. 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: A bit different. Alone here in the studio, Cody, though 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: still behind the glass. He is always here, the wizard 23 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: working his magic behind the glass. Appreciate him joining me 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: here on this rather different edition of Cardinals cover too, 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: but I wanted to get this out before things really 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: get going here regarding free agency, the negotiating window or 27 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: legal tampering period begins at nine a m. 28 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: That's right, nine am. 29 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: And by the way, bur Gang, those of us in Arizona, 30 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: we're now on Pacific time. Daylight savings time ended on Sunday, 31 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: so I want to make sure everyone is aware of that. 32 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the interview with Trevor. The 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: man does a lot. He's the lead NFL Draft analyst 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: for Pro Football Focus, and he's the co host of 35 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: the NFL Stock Exchange. There is another title attached to 36 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: your name, which I did not mention. I want to 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: do it in person. In fact, I even mentioned it 38 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: to you before we hit record. But in addition everything 39 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: you do, you're also the personal hype man for one 40 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: Michael Wilson. 41 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 4: That's my guy. 42 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And it's very easy to be the hype 43 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 5: man for one Michael Wilson because, man, he was one 44 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 5: of my favorite prospects to watch a couple of years 45 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 5: ago in that draft class. I got to see him 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 5: in person at the Senior Bowl. I actually got to 47 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 5: meet him in person for the first time of the 48 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 5: Super Bowl a couple of years ago as well. But 49 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 5: him breaking out the way that he has is no 50 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 5: surprise to me. I think that that guy is incredibly talented. 51 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 5: He's such a hard worker and you could I mean 52 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 5: you could even tell that watching his tape back at 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 5: Stanford and when I saw him at the at the 54 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 5: Senior Bowl, it's like, you're so detailed in what you 55 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 5: do that I know that you carry that throughout the 56 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 5: rest of your game as well. So it's awesome to 57 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 5: see him having a lot of success. He's a fun guy. 58 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: Root for it. 59 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: I went back two years ago when you joined us 60 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: here on Cardinals cover. So you brought up Michael Wilson 61 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: and this was after the Cardinals had drafted him, and 62 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: I was all right, And that was the year of 63 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: the wide receiver class with Marvin Harrison Junior everyone else. 64 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: He's like, okay, So here we are two years later, 65 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: and Michael Wilson had what many people believe. I don't 66 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: know he would put himself in this category because he 67 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: always felt he had this in him, but a breakout season. 68 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: Are in year three? Yeah, to the point now where 69 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: it's a question of all right, who is wide receiver one? 70 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: Now for the Arizona car. 71 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 5: Great problem to have, right, I mean, like anytime that 72 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 5: you're talking about today's modern NFL, I mean, you've obviously 73 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 5: got to put up a ton of points. 74 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 4: I mean, like that's just what it is. 75 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 5: And defenses are starting to fight back a little bit 76 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 5: with some of the creativity of how they're lining guys up. 77 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 5: But to have options like Michael Wilson and Marvin Harrison 78 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 5: Junior and Trey McBride, to be able to throw the 79 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 5: ball to him, mean, for any quarterback, I mean, it's 80 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 5: a dream. And I think that, yeah, new coaching staff's 81 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 5: got to be salivating at the weapons that they have 82 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 5: in the passing game. And there are obviously some still 83 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 5: some pieces to round out the offense entirely, but man, 84 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 5: I think that any quarterback would be. 85 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 4: More than happy to be able to throw to that 86 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 4: group of guys. 87 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: And certainly the quarterback is the big question mark. It's 88 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: not a secret. So you find who that quarterback is, right, 89 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: and then you mentioned, all right, figure out a run game, 90 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: figure out what you have as pass catchers. But if 91 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: you're starting with Marvin, Michael, and Trey in no particular order. 92 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: That's got to be at least someone enticing for an 93 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: offensive minded head coach one. 94 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 5: Hundred percent, especially because the roles are all a little 95 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 5: bit different with those guys. 96 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: Right. 97 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 5: You look at Marvin Harrison Junior and what he did 98 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 5: best when he was at Ohio State and even when 99 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 5: he's been in the NFL is it's the line of scrimmage. 100 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 5: It's an ex receiver, it's outside the numbers, right, and 101 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 5: so you allow him to sort of be this big 102 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 5: bodied guy for you on the line of scrimmage. And 103 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 5: then I think Michael can do it all. I mean, 104 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 5: I think that he can be an ex wide receiver 105 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 5: for you, but you know he can compliment Marvin Harrison 106 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 5: Junior so well with what he is as a flanker 107 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 5: or a slot receiver, and then of course McBride what 108 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 5: he is in line or in the slot as well. 109 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 5: And so that's what I love the most about that 110 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 5: three headed receiver group that they have is that all 111 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 5: three of those guys, it's not like when you put 112 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 5: all three of them on the field, they're like cannibalizing 113 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 5: the targets. Like I truly think It's one of those 114 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 5: things where those three guys in their skill sets put 115 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 5: different types of stresses on a defense to where you 116 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 5: can look. One week, it might be, hey, this team 117 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 5: does not have a pressman corner that can hang with 118 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison Junior, and Okay, that's gonna be the week 119 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 5: that he's gonna get double digitargets. The next week maybe it's, hey, 120 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 5: they've got a number one corner, but the number two 121 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 5: and number three, I don't know if they'll be able 122 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 5: to keep them up. With Michael Wilson, then he's getting 123 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 5: double digitargets. And of course Trey McBride, I think is 124 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 5: just such an incredible offensive chess piece of what he 125 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 5: can do because not every team has the ability to 126 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 5: line up with him no matter what I mean what 127 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 5: the safety, linebacker, corner like, it's just such a tough 128 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 5: task to guard him. And so I really do think 129 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,040 Speaker 5: that all three of those players really just compliment each 130 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 5: other really well. And so I understand, you know, Cardinals 131 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 5: fans gonna throughout the offseason iss gonna be a lot 132 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 5: of debate of like, oh, you know, who should be 133 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 5: the one who should get the most carries all that 134 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 5: kind of stuff. But I just I don't even really 135 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 5: think those debates need to happen because I think it's 136 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 5: very natural to see a world where all three of 137 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 5: those guys are on the field constantly and they can 138 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 5: really help out the offense and really compliment each other. 139 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:18,119 Speaker 4: On the field. 140 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: It's good you say that, because that is the debates, 141 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: because if you're the number one where at wide receiver, 142 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: you should be getting seven, eight, nine, ten targets per game. 143 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: Sure you hear coaches, though it doesn't matter what head coach, 144 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: what team, when you talk about offense, we're going to 145 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 1: do what we need to do that particular week in 146 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: order to win, whether that's run the ball thirty times, 147 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: throw the ball thirty times. What do we have to 148 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 1: do to walk off the field with the win. So 149 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad you put that in perspective, because it's good 150 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: to hear someone else kind of say that as opposed 151 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: to fans just and maybe it's a lot of fantasy football. 152 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: Hey I drafted well, sure, yeah, I need him to 153 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 1: be well and be productive. 154 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 5: But you know, going back to when Cliff Kingsbury was 155 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 5: a head coach with Arizona, I remember that was a 156 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 5: that was a gripe of a lot of people, of 157 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 5: a lot the offense kind of like week tweek was 158 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 5: kind of the same, right it was. It was a 159 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 5: lot of the guys that were, Okay, these are our strengths, 160 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 5: this is how we wind want to line up. And 161 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 5: it didn't really change a lot weak to weak. Like 162 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 5: a lot of the players were in the same spots, 163 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 5: they were doing different things, they were running different plays. 164 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 5: It's not like it was exactly the same week to week, 165 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 5: but I think the structure of it was was very 166 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 5: similar on a week to week bas and Cliff is 167 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 5: so good at designing things that a lot of times 168 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 5: it still worked. They put up a lot of yards, 169 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 5: they put up a lot of points. But I think 170 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 5: that that's again the beauty of having the three players 171 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 5: that you have this week is that, Yeah, I mean, 172 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 5: Marv might get eight targets one week, then it's Michael Wilson, 173 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 5: and then it's Trey McBride. Well, Trey mc price could 174 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 5: get a lot of targets no matter what, because I 175 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 5: think that it's just so hard to handle him no 176 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 5: matter what team that you are. But naturally, yeah, I 177 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 5: think a lot of people who have a lot invested 178 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 5: in fantasy football would probably want their guy to get 179 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 5: the ball in more targets. But I think from a 180 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 5: coaching perspective, they're very okay with the three wide receivers 181 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 5: that they have, and they're very okay with Hey, some weeks, 182 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 5: this guy's gonna get a lot more. Some weeks, this 183 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 5: guy's getting a lot more. But hopefully you're gonna win 184 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 5: a lot of football games. 185 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: One more shout out to you before we dive into 186 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: this particular draft class. A year ago here on Cardinals 187 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: cover two, you drop Walter Nolan's name ahead of the draft. 188 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: Cardinals select him sixteenth overall. Had an unbelievable NFL debut 189 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: on Monday Night Football against the Dallas Cowboys. Problem was 190 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: only saw him five more games, right, but when he 191 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: was on the field, what you saw in college, what 192 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: you projected, and then what you actually saw for a 193 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: small sample size, it certainly has left a lot of 194 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: Cardinal fans. I'll raise my hand as one of them, 195 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: very excited at what the potential Walter could be for 196 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: a defensive line, whether that's a three technique or someone 197 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: that just is going to find his way into the 198 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 1: backfield no matter what. 199 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 4: He's top ten player. 200 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,599 Speaker 5: For me overall, he was somebody that I thought was 201 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 5: one of the best players in the draft class last year, 202 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 5: regardless of position. 203 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:58,439 Speaker 4: You look at just. 204 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 5: The raw combination of size, speed power that that guy has. 205 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: And you mentioned playing in a couple of different spots. 206 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 5: I mean when he was at ole Miss, I mean, 207 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 5: he was somebody who they line him up and knows 208 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 5: they line him up at three tech, they put him 209 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 5: at four eye, they put him at five technique. And 210 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 5: the reason why is because he's explosive enough to play 211 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,599 Speaker 5: like an edge rusher, he's strong enough to play like 212 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 5: an interior defensive lineman. And for the Cardinals specifically, I 213 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 5: know it's a little bit different now because it was 214 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 5: Gannon before and now they're switching things up. But you know, 215 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 5: the reason why I liked them potentially for the Cardinals 216 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 5: before the draft last year is because Gannon liked to 217 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 5: be really multiple and how he set things up, whether 218 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 5: it was odd or even fronts, and I felt like 219 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 5: Walter Nolan was just such a perfect player to build 220 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,719 Speaker 5: that multiple front defense around. And I think that with 221 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 5: a player like that, they will still have sort of 222 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 5: that customization of how they want to align these guys 223 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 5: in the fronts, and he's really, in my opinion, where 224 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 5: this defense is going to start. If he is fully healthy, 225 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: that's really where you build that defense around. It's from 226 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 5: the inside out and where you're going to align him. 227 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 5: I think everything else after that. 228 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, knock on wood Walter stays healthy, all right? So 229 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: on that inside out. When you look at this year's 230 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: draft and the third overall pick on one of your mocks, 231 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: I believe it was your latest mock after the senior bawl, 232 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: you had the Cardinals going offensive tackle with Francis Maluinoa. 233 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: That's a pass protector. See a lot of people believe 234 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: be the pass rusher with the third overall pick. Where 235 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: do you line up one way or the other? And 236 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: I know things can change. Yeah, do you want the 237 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: guy who's going to protect the quarterback or the guy 238 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: who's going to get after the quarterback? 239 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 4: Sure? 240 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 5: I think you know it's a multi layered answer, which 241 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 5: I'll dig into kind of as I talk about things here. 242 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 5: I think in a perfect world, the Cardinals would actually 243 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 5: like to address the offensive line. Like I really do 244 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 5: think that if all things were in a vacuum, and 245 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 5: if all things were equal, if you told me, hey, 246 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 5: we either get an elite starter at the offensive line 247 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 5: or we get an elite starter at any other position. 248 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 5: I think that they would tell you that they would 249 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 5: draft the offensive lineman. The difference is is there's a 250 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 5: couple of offensive linemen I think could be worthy of 251 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 5: that top five overall. But it's not quite like and 252 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 5: Andrew Thomas, A Tristan Wurf's a penny soool. 253 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 4: It's not that obvious. 254 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 5: I think if it was, you'd constantly see that player 255 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 5: locked into them at number three because they have that 256 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 5: interior off that well, just offensive line overall need that 257 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 5: I think they need to improve. I was very surprised, 258 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 5: and I understand the offseason you're not gonna be able 259 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 5: to do everything that you want to do, but I 260 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 5: was pretty surprised at how few moves they made on 261 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 5: the offensive line last year when it came to either 262 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 5: potential starter or even depth players for them. Now, I 263 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 5: know that they went defense heavy. You got a defensive 264 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 5: head coach at the time, so it makes a lot 265 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 5: of sense, and they're very, very talented on the defensive 266 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 5: side of the ball now because of it. But I 267 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 5: think that you're looking at an off season now where 268 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 5: they're almost trying to kind of make up for lost time, 269 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,599 Speaker 5: and we'll see what happens in free agency. Obviously, the 270 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 5: Kyler Murray situation will mean a lot towards, you know, 271 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 5: how aggressive they might be with bringing new guys in 272 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 5: or not the money that they might have to spend. 273 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 5: But when I look at the offensive line, yeah, I 274 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 5: think that the defensive guys are maybe a little bit 275 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 5: more of BPA, but you might be looking at a 276 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 5: situation where they really feel like they need to get 277 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 5: more talent on that offensive line. They really need to 278 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 5: address that in a major way. Monty obviously, in that 279 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 5: first draft a couple of years ago from him, he's 280 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 5: not afraid to wheel and deal a little bit, right. 281 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 5: He moved from what was it it was three to 282 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 5: either twelve or eleven and then back up to six 283 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 5: and got the guy that he would have picked at 284 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 5: number three instead. You now get him a couple picks 285 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 5: later because you're not afraid to wheel and deal a 286 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 5: little bit. I think that's going to be very top 287 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 5: of mind for him again in the draft this year. 288 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 5: I think that ideally what the Cardinals would like to 289 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 5: do is move down from number three, go a little 290 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 5: bit later, maybe in the top ten, get somebody to 291 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 5: pop up for one of those top defensive players, and 292 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 5: then they can still get whoever they believe is the 293 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 5: best offensive lineman in this class. A little bit later 294 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 5: you feel a little bit better about that. But of 295 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 5: course it takes a dance partner, right, It takes two 296 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 5: to tango, and so we'll see if that can be 297 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 5: the case. 298 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 4: But if not. 299 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 5: Spencer Fono, the offensive tackle from Utah, Francis Maluno, the 300 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 5: offensive tackle from MIAMII. I think those are the guys 301 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 5: in the conversation if they're looking at offensive line at 302 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 5: number three. 303 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: A lot of question if you want to trade down. 304 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: You mentioned you got to have someone answer on the 305 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: other end. But who are you coming up for if 306 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: you have just the one quarterback and Fernanda Mendoza, there's 307 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: not that two, three, four guys that potentially could be 308 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks at least in this year's draft. 309 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the only players that you'd probably get 310 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 5: somebody to trade up for is Rubin Main Junior or 311 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 5: David Bailey because they rush the passer, right. I mean, 312 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 5: when we talk about trading up for players, not just 313 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 5: because you got to think about it like this. Right, 314 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 5: Let's say I'm just using this as an example the Bengals. 315 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 5: So say the Bengals at number ten, they could use 316 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 5: a pass rusher. Right. Let's they say that they call 317 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 5: up the Cardinals at number three, and they're looking at 318 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 5: the value of players that they the value that they 319 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 5: would have to go up and get this pass rusher. 320 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 5: You're not just using if you're the Bengals, now you're 321 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 5: not just using that number ten overall pick on a 322 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 5: pass rusher. You're now using the number ten overall pick 323 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 5: and whatever you are also trading to now move up 324 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 5: to number three. To now use the number three overall 325 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 5: pick on a pass rusher, you have to have a 326 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 5: premium position type of player for that to be worth 327 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 5: it to use multiple draft picks on a guy. So 328 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 5: I love kalb Downs, I love Sonny Styles, right, I 329 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 5: love those players, but you're probably not trading multiple picks 330 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 5: to go up to draft them for those players at 331 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 5: those positions. You're probably only doing that for a pass rusher. 332 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 5: So to me, I think it kind of depends a 333 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 5: little bit on what the Jets do at number two. 334 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 5: You know, if they go David Bailey or Rubin Main Junior. 335 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 5: Maybe you can convince somebody that, hey, the other guys 336 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 5: on the board here for you, you could trade up, 337 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 5: you can go get him, and I think that maybe 338 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 5: they could feel a little bit more comfortable moving down. 339 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 5: But I mean, that's the tough part of this because 340 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 5: with no quarterback, there as the allurement to move up 341 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 5: for those are the only two guys. For as much 342 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 5: as I like a lot of the other players in 343 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 5: the class, those are the only two that I think 344 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 5: will actually garner the value that other teams could see 345 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 5: to move up the way that the Cardinals might might 346 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 5: want if they want to. 347 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: Move back, and as a team going to sacrifice a 348 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: pick in twenty twenty seven because everything we hear about 349 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: that extra classes. 350 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a tough part. 351 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 5: That's a tough because it looks like twenty twenty seven 352 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 5: is going to be a really good class. I'm a 353 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 5: draft guy, so I'm always going to say that, right 354 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 5: because I'm always looking forward to what the next year 355 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 5: of team building is going to be. But it does 356 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 5: feel like that's the case with twenty twenty seven versus 357 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 5: twenty twenty six. So, like you said, are just all 358 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 5: the factors that sort of go into the equation there. 359 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: Overall, when you look at the prospects for twenty twenty six, 360 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: positions that may be a little bit deeper than others. 361 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: Obviously quarterback is kind of low on that list, But 362 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: flip it up, Who's where are the positions where you 363 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: think are really really deep that maybe stretching into day 364 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: three you can find somebody. 365 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 5: I think, just overall, it's a really deep defensive class, 366 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 5: and I think for the Cardinals specifically, I think that 367 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 5: you look at a lot of people who maybe look at 368 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 5: mock drafts with them maybe taking an offensive line in 369 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 5: at three, and they go, no, no, no, we still defensive help. 370 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 5: We need defensive help. Maybe in these areas we got 371 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 5: to take these players at number three. If you go 372 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 5: offensive line at number three, if you trade down and 373 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 5: still go offensive line, I think you'd be pretty happy 374 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 5: about the guys on Day two and Day three that 375 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 5: you have the ability to pick on the defensive side 376 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 5: of the ball. Edge rusher and defensive tackle. It feels 377 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 5: like they're decently deep, decently talented every single year. Cornerback 378 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 5: kind of the same way, there's just so many corners, 379 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 5: there's so many athletic guys. There's so many guys that 380 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 5: come through every single year, those positions always seem so deep. 381 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 5: But what makes this year a little bit different is 382 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 5: it off ball, linebacker and safety are really deep this year. 383 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 5: There are a lot of names to know. There are 384 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 5: a lot of guys that could be potential starters for 385 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 5: you that you could draft in round two, round three, 386 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 5: round four, even round five. 387 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 4: At those positions. 388 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,479 Speaker 5: And so I think the depth of off ball, linebacker 389 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 5: and safety are really what helps carry this defensive draft 390 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 5: class into it being a really really deep group. 391 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: Flip it to the offensive side, obviously, quarterback not where 392 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: it needs to be, wide receiver, tight end, running back. 393 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: Where how do you figure those those positions relative to 394 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: previous drafts. 395 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 5: I think wide receiver and tight end feel like the deepest. 396 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 5: And that's sort of a natural case because, to be 397 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 5: honest with you, that the the rise of seven on 398 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 5: seven camps in high school. I mean, there's just so 399 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 5: much more development for skill position players and receivers specifically 400 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 5: because they're getting involved in the game at a high 401 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 5: competition level a lot earlier, a lot more consistently, so 402 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 5: when they get to college they can stand out a 403 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 5: little bit more, it's a little bit easier for them 404 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 5: to stand out. They've got more development to where maybe 405 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 5: they're just juniors or red shirt juniors, but they feel 406 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 5: like they could go to the NFL. So wide receiver, 407 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 5: tight end. I feel like you can get an impact 408 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 5: player again rounds two through four and feel pretty good 409 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 5: about it. Quarterback obviously very lights, Fernanda Mendoz at the top, 410 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 5: and then a massive unknown after that. I have no 411 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 5: idea where the next quarterback is going to go off 412 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 5: the board. Running Back Jeremiah Love from Notre Dame is 413 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 5: the crown jewel of this class, but after him, again, 414 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 5: it's a lot of toss up. Like I like Jonah 415 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 5: Coleman from Washington. I think he's gonna be a really, 416 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 5: really solid football player. Reminds me a lot of Kien 417 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,479 Speaker 5: Williams from the Los Angeles Rams, where you look at him, 418 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 5: you go, all right, it's not the biggest, it's not 419 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 5: the fastest, dude, but here's another one hundred yard game 420 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 5: from Kien Williams, you know. And I feel like Joanah 421 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 5: Coleman could be that type of a player because how 422 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 5: well balanced his game is, how he sees the field, 423 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 5: I just think he's a really good football player. Maybe 424 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 5: Jadaian Price, Jeremiah Love's teammate at Notre Dame, could be 425 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 5: that second running back. 426 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 4: But how high are you draft? 427 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 5: And that so running backs one that I think it'll 428 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 5: take a while before the next running back comes off 429 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 5: the board after Love. 430 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 4: And then the offensive line. 431 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 5: You know, again going to this conversation with the Cardinals 432 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 5: is I think if you need one, you got to 433 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 5: take one early. It's just not a deep offensive line group. 434 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 4: Now. 435 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 5: There's obviously going to be offensive linemen they get drafted 436 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 5: in this class that go to really good spots that 437 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 5: end up maybe becoming spot starters for you, are really 438 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 5: good depth players or whatever that will be. But it's 439 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 5: just not as easy this year to look at a 440 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 5: player and go, no matter where you get drafted, I 441 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 5: know you're gonna be good. That's tougher to find on 442 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 5: the offensive side of the of the ball this year. 443 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: On the subject of quarterback, there's always a diamond in 444 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: the rough. There's always the possibility you could find that 445 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: future franchise signal caller on Day two. Day three much 446 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: more difficult. But are there guys out there that perhaps 447 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: maybe in three or four years. We're having this conversation going, Wow, 448 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: I can't believe he fell to whatever and the third 449 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: round and now you've got someone that you can trot 450 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: out into the field for ten years. 451 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 5: I mean there's players certainly that you know they'll they'll 452 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 5: get drafted and you can highlight like strengths of theirs 453 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 5: that you like. You know, for example, like Drowler from 454 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 5: Penn State, I mean, he's got all the tools in 455 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 5: the world, he just wasn't able to put it together 456 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 5: consistently for most of his college football career. Now, not 457 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 5: this past year, but the year before that was actually 458 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 5: a pretty good year for him, and if he was 459 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 5: able to build off of that, we'd probably be talking 460 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 5: about him as a first round pick given everything that 461 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 5: he could bring. 462 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 4: To the table. 463 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 5: So that's a guy that you might be able to 464 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 5: draft and develop for the tools. Yeah, Kye club Nick 465 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 5: is is somebody who I think he's more of a 466 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 5: game and as your type of a player. But he's 467 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,159 Speaker 5: got a decent arm to him. He's played in a 468 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 5: lot of big games at Clemson. He's got that experience. 469 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 5: He started for multiple years going back to his high 470 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 5: school days as well. He started for Westlake in Texas. 471 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 5: It's one of the biggest high school football programs in 472 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 5: the country. Multiple year state champion from him, so done 473 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 5: a lot of winning as well as playing throughout his 474 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 5: college football career. So you know, he's somebody that maybe 475 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 5: think about now you're getting to Garrett Nesmeyer. Garantnes Smeyer, 476 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 5: I think is more of that Day two type of quarterback. 477 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 5: His father's been an offensive coordinator around the NFL and 478 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 5: college football for a long long time, and so I 479 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 5: think that teams are going to be like, hey, you 480 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 5: know when we talk about NFL life and NFL terminology 481 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 5: and what it's like being a pro, I'm not worried 482 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 5: about that guy. 483 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 4: That's all it all, whatsoever. And I think that'll be 484 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 4: valuable the teams. 485 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 5: And then Ty Simpson, I think is the other one 486 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 5: where he's like, Okay, he could be a first round 487 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 5: pick depending on how teams view him, but he could 488 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 5: be a second round pick. Maybe he's a third round pick, 489 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 5: who knows. So I think that just the projection for 490 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 5: quarterbacks is all over the place. 491 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 4: This year. 492 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: One last thing before we let you go. I think 493 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: I say it every year to you. I don't know 494 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: if it was your idea or not, but you can 495 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: take credit the mock Draft simulator allow we never wanted 496 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: to play general manager on Pro Football Focus. It's very addicting, 497 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: by the way, because you can't just sit in one 498 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: sitting and do one. You do multiple and then you 499 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 1: can set things and make it where it's more difficult 500 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: or easier. 501 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 4: But it is a. 502 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: Valuable tool for a lot of people just to get 503 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: familiar with the names that are associated with each year's draft. 504 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 5: Well, I very much appreciate it, and I love hearing 505 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 5: the fact that it's addicting to the point where you 506 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 5: got to run multiple mocks. We obviously very much appreciate 507 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 5: that as well. And man, we've got some new additions 508 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 5: to the mock Draft simulator as well, a lot of 509 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 5: new different way like there's a there's a it's in 510 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 5: beta right now, but we've got something coming up, and 511 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 5: we're always making sure that we find tune it where 512 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 5: you can mock draft for their friends as well. You 513 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 5: can send them the link and it's okay, I'm picking 514 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 5: for this team, you're picking for this team, and then 515 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 5: the computer's kind of drafting the rest. So lobby mock drafts, 516 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 5: which I'm very excited about. And then there's also a 517 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 5: really interesting thing that we just launched. 518 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 4: I believe it was. 519 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 5: Last week, and it's the Leaderboard's tab where you can 520 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 5: actually click on the leaderboards tab, you can click on 521 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 5: the Arizona Cardinals. I'm actually not sure because I haven't 522 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 5: seen this one for myself, but you can actually see 523 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 5: the players that are most mocked to a specific team 524 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 5: for different rounds, for different positions, and so you could 525 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 5: do that for any team in the NFL. 526 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 4: And so it's a cool. 527 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,159 Speaker 5: Way to Okay, you talk about how maybe you like 528 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 5: to mock for the Arizona Cardinals, when now you can 529 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 5: see how other Cardinals fans might be mocking for the team. 530 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 5: Are they leaning offensive line? Do they say no, no, no, 531 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 5: just take the better defensive player at number three? 532 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 4: What are they doing? 533 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 5: And so we're always developing that mock draft simulator to 534 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 5: be as good as it can be. 535 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: It's fascinating, it's a fun tool. I invite everyone to 536 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: check it out. Pro Football Focus Mock Draft Simulator, Trevor. 537 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. We could sit here for hours. I 538 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: know draft is very important to you, it is for 539 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 1: us as well, and thank you very much again for 540 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: sitting down with us. Appreciate it, Craig anytime by all means. 541 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: Burd Gang Goo. Check out the PFF mock Draft simulator. 542 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,959 Speaker 1: It is a very cool tool. And Trevor is a 543 00:22:55,040 --> 00:23:00,360 Speaker 1: must follow on social media his handle at Tampa Bay Tray. Yes, 544 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: and he is the personal hype man for Michael Wilson. 545 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: One of the first to really get on board that train, 546 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: if you will. A couple of years back when we 547 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: sat down with him in Indianapolis and he said, hey, 548 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: it's a quote great problem to have with respects to 549 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: wide receiver one, regardless of if it's Marvin or Michael. 550 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: Throw Trey in the mix. Very interested to see what 551 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: Mike Laflor and offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett devise scheme wise 552 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: to make sure that those three and we'll see about 553 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 1: a run game, but those three pass catchers what they 554 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: can mean for this offense in twenty twenty six. And Trey, Yes, 555 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: he is an offensive chess piece on the defensive side. 556 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: Trevor also very high. Good to hear him, said that 557 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: he was high on Walter Nolan and thinks again, if healthy, 558 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: Walter can be very very good in the middle of 559 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: that defense, whether he is a three technique or even 560 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: move him a little bit more outside. We saw in 561 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: six games, small sample side, but Walter was very, very 562 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: dominant in those six games. Very impactful. Maybe that's a 563 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: better term to use as opposed to dominant. The impact 564 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: that Walter had in those six games something to keep 565 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: an eye on. 566 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 4: Now. 567 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: The question is what does this team do at quarterback 568 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: and then yes, the line of scrimmage as well. With 569 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: the start of free agency about to begin in the 570 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: new league year opening up on Wednesday, my guess, my 571 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: hope is the Cardinals lean a little bit more towards 572 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: the offensive line as opposed to the defensive line. And 573 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: that's again, irregardless of what you think this team might 574 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: do in the draft and that number three overall pick. 575 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: By the way, if you haven't already, I encourage everyone 576 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: to either go to Azycardinals dot com or the Arizona 577 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals official YouTube channel. Danny sirek Her one on ones 578 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: with GM Monty Austin Ford and head coach Michael Lafleur 579 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: both happened in Indianapolis at this guying combine. Good one 580 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: on one conversations that Danny had with money and Mike 581 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: again ahead of free agency, as Mike continues to kind 582 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,919 Speaker 1: of get to know this roster as far as what 583 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: pieces to keep and then maybe some additions that need 584 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: to be made on both sides of the ball, so 585 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: we will see what happens come free agency again. The 586 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: new league year starts on Wednesday, and on that notes, 587 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: we will put a lid on this edition of Cardinals 588 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: Cover two, presented by a Hyundai, probably partner of the 589 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our executive producer 590 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: Jim Mamahudre our associate producer Cody Fincher for Yeah, there's 591 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: no one next to me or beside me or a 592 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: cross for me here in studio. Hey, a special solo edition. 593 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: I'm Craig Railu. We'll talk to you next time here 594 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: on Cardinals Cover two