Speaker 1: So the point I was saying about Dr dre the
Speaker 1: ruthless version, the easy version of Dr dre right is
Speaker 1: break beats, right, that's the break beats. He's slowly you know,
Speaker 1: by the time they're getting always into something. You know,
Speaker 1: within w a they're trying to get funky, right, the
Speaker 1: death Row Dre becomes funky. Right, He's this super funk
Speaker 1: magnet all p funk right. They flipped and and made
Speaker 1: their version of g funk Right, that's death Row Dr
Speaker 1: Dre right. Joe Cocker, uh Parliament, Uh Leon Heywood. You
Speaker 1: know I'm saying all this dose ship a funk right,
Speaker 1: he's into that now, bam. Now after math Dre is
Speaker 1: classical Dr dre right, So pop Dr dre right. So
Speaker 1: that's eminem right. That's two thousand and one right where
Speaker 1: you got all this crazy kind of Stringy started working
Speaker 1: with Burt back Iron, Yeah right, so right, but he
Speaker 1: was already into it, so he got that together. And
Speaker 1: then the end, like I said, when you get to
Speaker 1: fifty cent, that stuff is still kind of poppy. It's
Speaker 1: still like very high on the top, you know, like
Speaker 1: if you listen to Um in the club, uh um,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, so Dre has went through
Speaker 1: spells music. It's the question. It's just like and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna like extract a perilous not part of it, but like,
Speaker 1: read the book The Innovator's Dilemma. I started to read
Speaker 1: that book. Yeah, it has to deal with aligning the
Speaker 1: timing of innovation with the timing of the preparedness of
Speaker 1: the steward of the consumer market and like to make
Speaker 1: it maybe a little bit less because that one is
Speaker 1: that books very abstract, so it's very well obscure. DJ Quick,
Speaker 1: I think DJ Quick was like probably almost underrated, if
Speaker 1: not the most underrated musical minds hip hop history. But
Speaker 1: he's web TV. Web TV came out in like two
Speaker 1: thousand and just tanked. It was the idea, believe this,
Speaker 1: look at this, an idiotic idea of getting a computer
Speaker 1: specifically designed to hook up to your television. That's how
Speaker 1: I've been super stinging. Ever heard of when bankrupt? But
Speaker 1: that's DJ fucking Quick. Sure I think you see where
Speaker 1: I'm going to your point. But again, innovation is overrated.
Speaker 1: It's overrated to the innovator. That's fair. I mean, it
Speaker 1: depends on what you value most in the conversation innovation
Speaker 1: or marketability or or monetization. Innovation versus monetization is the
Speaker 1: kind of the route debate we're having here. But I
Speaker 1: think innovators don't even get credit. You don't, of course,
Speaker 1: they don't get credit. Monetizers get credit and they get
Speaker 1: money and everything that comes along with that. So that's
Speaker 1: the point I'm making. So what they couldn't do what
Speaker 1: they do without innovators, I agree. I think the two
Speaker 1: co exists at the same time. Right. But again, Napoleon
Speaker 1: Hill is an example, you know what I mean to
Speaker 1: him being a the whole concept of the secret and
Speaker 1: thoughts become things. He's in Andrew Carnegie and all the
Speaker 1: people they lived in nineteen twenty and they knew what
Speaker 1: they knew, but they're like basically, long story short. Andrew
Speaker 1: Carnigie told Napoleon Hill, and I need you to go
Speaker 1: spend the next twenty years studying and interview on the
Speaker 1: most successful people and figure out how they became with success.
Speaker 1: It became the answer was they used their mind. They
Speaker 1: thought it through, they manifested it, they thought about it
Speaker 1: every day and work towards it, and then it happens.
Speaker 1: How anything happens. But he told him, hey, go spend
Speaker 1: twenty five years of your life researching this, and after
Speaker 1: you do and you find the answer, you're not going
Speaker 1: to get credit till a hundred years after your death.
Speaker 1: He did this in the thirties and twenties. Would you
Speaker 1: have enough faith to go do this and go spend
Speaker 1: your time doing that? And then here we are in
Speaker 1: the two thousands, and you see all this enlightening of
Speaker 1: people to a secret and blah blah videos and all
Speaker 1: that dead being gone. Didn't get no credit for it.
Speaker 1: And he he was the innovator, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So the mind, the marketing into stuff. Maybe the information
Speaker 1: couldn't be received as fast as we now can send
Speaker 1: it across the web and all that. But you know,
Speaker 1: here we are a hundred years later, and there is
Speaker 1: that crossroad I think where you have to have innovation
Speaker 1: meet the marketing and the minds being ready to receive
Speaker 1: the information, and proof of concept happens faster and faster
Speaker 1: and faster through generations. So like proof of concept to
Speaker 1: an idea a hundred years ago, it took a long
Speaker 1: time of actualizers. Now it takes a couple of years.
Speaker 1: People and then go, that's a stupid idea. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing it working. It's like there's like six weeks,
Speaker 1: yeah for sure, for sure. The Internet, the plane, yeah,
Speaker 1: all these stuff, Facebook, Google, all of us. But they're
Speaker 1: all super old ideas, right that somebody else monetized and
Speaker 1: marketed and got credit for it. So um, that's the
Speaker 1: point I'm saying, like, hold up, no selings, g low,
Speaker 1: I want Tom Peter Boss in the house, Metro standing
Speaker 1: cous my way, Metro back up here here Taimish music innovator.
Speaker 1: He brought the keena. The keen is here really talented singer? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm here, fail me. She in the spot. We're trying
Speaker 1: to get her to get her confidence up because she's
Speaker 1: like a monster behind closed doors. But she like quiet
Speaker 1: when the microzone and you just got to be like
Speaker 1: an animal all the time. I'm working on it. There
Speaker 1: you go, that's our store. Don't let hooligans like us
Speaker 1: take over your air time. That's it's not even though
Speaker 1: I'm very observative and I love to like listen and
Speaker 1: take in all. Is that a word observative? Okay, she's nervous.
Speaker 1: I'm just because I'm gonna use that's your word now, observative.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put that in there. It's like a Sundays
Speaker 1: It sounded beautiful, it did, it was fine, that's a song,
Speaker 1: observed it. I was gonna let it slide, and he
Speaker 1: pulled it off. I can't have it. I just grabbed
Speaker 1: a clear air observative, and I'm gonna use it throughout
Speaker 1: the podcast that we're gonna make it a real thing.
Speaker 1: Nick is gonna hashtag observative. But you gotta make the
Speaker 1: song like how they did with that Entanglement. You have
Speaker 1: to make observative. But so right in the middle, I
Speaker 1: was explaining that Pee, we was having a conversation about
Speaker 1: the music business, and we're talking about Quincy Jones. Dr
Speaker 1: Dre and Metro shout out to Drake and Dre listen
Speaker 1: to the podcast what's up making good Looking? But Metro
Speaker 1: thinks I'm a bit too high on Dr Dre right,
Speaker 1: And I mean, it's not no credit because it's not
Speaker 1: like I said, you don't think Dr Dre is not
Speaker 1: to listen to the podcast and they're gonna throw him
Speaker 1: under the He wouldn't think that was he wouldn't think
Speaker 1: that was legends. Yes, he wouldn't whole idea. But DOT
Speaker 1: don't think bro this nigga beat battle. Dr Ja wants
Speaker 1: to fun what he talked. We had talked about that later.
Speaker 1: It's a whole whose projects not getting funded by any
Speaker 1: sort of enterprises. And that's not true. That's not true. No,
Speaker 1: it's I'm not saying that. You're not saying Dre is
Speaker 1: not the goat, like Magic is a goat of course, right,
Speaker 1: But you feel like I'm too high on certain talents
Speaker 1: and you feel like it's because I grew up watching them,
Speaker 1: and really, for me, that's probably the word like, that's
Speaker 1: not true. We all sensationalize who we saw as kids
Speaker 1: and stuff. Alan Iverson was my goat. I saw him
Speaker 1: get drafted when I was thirteen. That's there's there's you
Speaker 1: think that's random. There ain't no nigga who's sixty years old.
Speaker 1: Some nostalgia bias there. I said, it's a goat. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like we had the best braids in NBA,
Speaker 1: the greatest marriage. But there are other goats within the
Speaker 1: professional Hoby is a goat? Is he the best player ever?
Speaker 1: Knowsition I had knows perlative description is problematic at best. Okay,
Speaker 1: we know that there is only one singular when you're
Speaker 1: being for real. That's I think that's wrong. We're always
Speaker 1: being for real are okay? I think the team But
Speaker 1: but but listen before we get no because we fly
Speaker 1: get throw office of basketball stuff, we're not We're not finish.
Speaker 1: So I was saying, right that doctor Dre. Right, he
Speaker 1: feels I'm a bit hot, Don't get me wrong. He
Speaker 1: understands the brilliance of doctor Drake. We've had this conversation.
Speaker 1: He knows Dre is brilliant and probably the guy you
Speaker 1: know at the top level. But the respect I have
Speaker 1: for him, it's different because I understand the job of
Speaker 1: a record producer completely different than even him or a
Speaker 1: lot of people in the business. And I understand how
Speaker 1: hard it is to break a new artist. Like producers.
Speaker 1: To me, Metro make music. So not only is he
Speaker 1: a label owner like Puff makes music like Puff, Right,
Speaker 1: they make music and they run a label, and they
Speaker 1: engineer and they do all of this stuff. So him
Speaker 1: as a producer, right, I noticed when I listened to
Speaker 1: producers him or different ones, it's about just hits for them,
Speaker 1: you know, hits who got who who got the hits
Speaker 1: for me right as an artist or as a music exactly.
Speaker 1: The goal is to have a producer who could break
Speaker 1: multiple artists. Can you give somebody their first hit record?
Speaker 1: Whoever that person is is the most valuable person in
Speaker 1: the music industry, excuse me, in the record industry, that
Speaker 1: person who could give different artists their first hit record.
Speaker 1: You're the greatest thing going. And when you name Dr Dre,
Speaker 1: like I'm saying it's five, he gave hits to this key,
Speaker 1: you say first hit it first, because that's the most
Speaker 1: important thing. Because like either of you think of the
Speaker 1: Neptunes in Brittany Spirits hit What's the Boy? The White
Speaker 1: Boy code? Hell? Max mort And already broke that? Who
Speaker 1: gave Britney Spears? Sometimes I run who produced that? About
Speaker 1: that weird, old, creepy guy who looks like he may
Speaker 1: be kind of registered, who broke all those boy bands
Speaker 1: out of all Orlando? That's the why? What? What? What
Speaker 1: just happened? It looks like maybe he has to tell
Speaker 1: the neighbors when he moved into a neighborhood. I don't
Speaker 1: know the guy. I don't live in that neighborhood anyway. No,
Speaker 1: look so Dr Dre and the eighties. Right, first hit records, right,
Speaker 1: m a first hit record, easy, first hit record, in
Speaker 1: W a first hit record, d C first hit record.
Speaker 1: That's insane. That's in the eighties. Right. Then in the nineties, Right,
Speaker 1: he gives himself a hit record. Right, he gives Snoop
Speaker 1: Dogg his first hit record. Right, he gives I think
Speaker 1: exhibit exhibits in the late nineties. Right, and then he
Speaker 1: gives eminem Is for his hit record. Okay, and then
Speaker 1: fast forward into the two thousand's. Right, he gives fifty
Speaker 1: cent his first hit record, and then he gives up
Speaker 1: Game his first hit record. That's crazy. That's ten ten
Speaker 1: artists you broke as a record producer. I agree. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to did uh the greater like cash
Speaker 1: money enterprise through its various tax you know related you know,
Speaker 1: entities break. That's the point, right, So many broke the
Speaker 1: big timers, right, hotboys, Juvie b b Turk. Turk didn't break.
Speaker 1: Turk did not break. Turk didn't break. You're right, he
Speaker 1: broke parole. Turk probably got close because I used to
Speaker 1: love your anyway. I bought his album anyway, shout out
Speaker 1: to Hurt because Turk but I'm saying, right, so again
Speaker 1: like back to Dre just covered breaking that mini acts,
Speaker 1: but then phase two you got Drake manage all the
Speaker 1: other ship you have. But that's not that. But I'm
Speaker 1: saying that's it might not be fresh, but from an
Speaker 1: executive standpoint. So now it's a different kind of you're
Speaker 1: talking about the record, because so a real record labels
Speaker 1: two parts at the highest level, right, it's the vision
Speaker 1: and it's the records. Every now and then you have
Speaker 1: somebody to do both. But that's just rare. That's just
Speaker 1: you know, he's there for a ship. So good. I'm
Speaker 1: up for Mr. Vertical Monopoli fifty years ago. I'm good. Well,
Speaker 1: you just got to get you a hit man. I
Speaker 1: know I'm getting these niggas around. Shout out to the
Speaker 1: niggas and to the hit around. Y'all know who y'all are.
Speaker 1: Y'all been to the studio. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna you gotta get you hit me and you
Speaker 1: need you. You know Mad what's the dude name the
Speaker 1: Mad Rapper? Yeah, I be out of llo and things
Speaker 1: like that. You know a lot of I got it,
Speaker 1: I could do it, and they know people don't see
Speaker 1: the vision. So you gotta kind of ya. I could
Speaker 1: do it. I'm doing so so the West Coast white
Speaker 1: rapper with a ghostwriter. I got you as long as
Speaker 1: you can find me a ghostwriter. I told him we
Speaker 1: should do my son a lot of so we got
Speaker 1: a kid rappers glasses right, will be I have a
Speaker 1: little we'll have a little bit out dog. But but
Speaker 1: so the point is I talked to meet you all
Speaker 1: the time. And that's why I hold Dr dre in
Speaker 1: that regards. It's not because I grew up watching him.
Speaker 1: I didn't even understand it growing up as a kid,
Speaker 1: Like I was way too busy. And as a kid,
Speaker 1: you gotta think I'm enjoying LLL COOLJ as a kid.
Speaker 1: LLL cooj was super appealing. When I was a kid,
Speaker 1: LLL had I'm bad. He could dance in the video
Speaker 1: feel me, he was feeling. He was rapping hard. He
Speaker 1: just was cold. He was like the greatest entertainer. When
Speaker 1: I was a kid, Iced Tea wasn't breaking. You know,
Speaker 1: He's up there rapping and breaking, rapping about the battle
Speaker 1: going on. Like I'm like, what this is like the
Speaker 1: craziest ship. So watching n W a was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: these niggs from around the corner, that's just not that great.
Speaker 1: We were born in like seventy six. No, yeah, what
Speaker 1: are you talking about. I'm saying, this is the eighties, right,
Speaker 1: I'm eighty right, I'm living like this. I started, you know,
Speaker 1: I turned one and eighty born in seventy nine, eighty,
Speaker 1: I'm living life. No, I'm just eight six. It's eighty
Speaker 1: five seven, so you gotta be six seven eight. That's
Speaker 1: enough to see ship and be like, whoah, could you
Speaker 1: imagine what I'm Bad looked like in eight seven? It's
Speaker 1: what Polo G looks like to Elijah two years ago.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying it's even more sensational. Was rapping
Speaker 1: and dancing. I know nobody was doing that, and he
Speaker 1: was sucking it up, come to find out, like a
Speaker 1: West Coast nigga did at the same time. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: this is way but bad, and it was like rapping
Speaker 1: hard lyrics. My hat is like a sharks fin. I mean,
Speaker 1: but in the eighties, you gotta think how that ship sounded. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nobody could write, nobody could rap quite like our can
Speaker 1: I take a muscle bawn man and put his face
Speaker 1: in the sand like he was going off like and
Speaker 1: he fucking it up right, he dancing and you like,
Speaker 1: this is crazy. So when I saw in w way right,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Niga is around there in the around the corner.
Speaker 1: That's the regular ship. I see that all the time. Right,
Speaker 1: So you gotta think house party, right you house party
Speaker 1: comes out of nineties. We go to the theaters. We
Speaker 1: deep for me, we're kids. You're watching kidd and play
Speaker 1: on camera at a party. It's just like the greatest
Speaker 1: ship ever, like even for a West Coast nigga. It
Speaker 1: didn't make sense to me until Boys in the Hood
Speaker 1: came out. That's when I was like, oh, this ship
Speaker 1: we live in is something like like y'all like the
Speaker 1: ship like the whole movie was standing up. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like we're the ship able to see
Speaker 1: the people outside of the aquarium looking at it. And
Speaker 1: that's how it was in the movie theater right when
Speaker 1: you're looking at Boys in the Hood and they see
Speaker 1: the low riding they're going, you know, my mom took
Speaker 1: me down christ Shaw as a kid. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the cars. I'm like, yeah, this is tough. Said that,
Speaker 1: I've been a fan of the Max sins. I see
Speaker 1: boys in the hood, he said, I've seen when they
Speaker 1: would do Shout the Mac and there he said, he
Speaker 1: was like, oh, like like that's just enamored everybody. I
Speaker 1: think that's when the West Coast Ship really happened. I mean,
Speaker 1: like where people were exposed to, oh, this is what's
Speaker 1: going on in California and lost l A. This is
Speaker 1: a different side. So Colors was one thing, right, that
Speaker 1: was like this educational piece of crypting and blood with
Speaker 1: the police involved. Right, and then you're starting to see
Speaker 1: in w A. You're hearing about it. You know you're
Speaker 1: starting to see it. You see a tone low, but
Speaker 1: he kind of got are these songs for girls? You know,
Speaker 1: talking about how life is? But man, you've seen Hammer, right,
Speaker 1: Hammer from Northern cal Right, he dancing, But people don't
Speaker 1: know here street nigger. I'm saying, he's a fool like
Speaker 1: his family. They craze, they're real gangsters and ship. But
Speaker 1: when you've seen boys in the hood, when that ship happened,
Speaker 1: that's when the whole music industry and every fan became
Speaker 1: intrenched with who we were. And then that's why menister
Speaker 1: society because they're like, we could do that ship again,
Speaker 1: let's do and it was not done. That's quite as good.
Speaker 1: Minister Society is a bit more corny and tiring to
Speaker 1: kill me about that ship. I gotta ask you a question.
Speaker 1: Tiring to kill me about that ship. But Minister Society
Speaker 1: based on the culture is a bit more corny because
Speaker 1: the characters were over exaggerated, so you could see the
Speaker 1: lifestyle like Old Dog was like super duper extra of course,
Speaker 1: and against g who was they from Gray Street? You know.
Speaker 1: The thing that I thought I was dope about it
Speaker 1: was that they didn't frame Cane as the hero or
Speaker 1: the villain. He robbed niggas, he got shot. He was
Speaker 1: It was like the story of just l A inner city.
Speaker 1: You that's just any regular gangbanger in l A. That's
Speaker 1: my cousin's Kane is my cousin Andre, Like it's That's
Speaker 1: what it felt like. That's why it was like. This
Speaker 1: is how it didn't sensationalize it too much. It was
Speaker 1: just like it dropped you in and you were just
Speaker 1: in the mix. It ain't no hero. He don't make
Speaker 1: it out at the end, none of that. Like it's
Speaker 1: that was how it ended. Like That's how Boys in
Speaker 1: the Hood is for me, how much do you think
Speaker 1: I don't have credits the right word, but what would
Speaker 1: you say to causing effect to impact from a marketability
Speaker 1: standpoint and everything Boys in the Hood should receive as
Speaker 1: far as like the subsequent like music videos that Dre
Speaker 1: and Snoop whatever did where you had like a movie
Speaker 1: that's an hour long, but you probably had an audience
Speaker 1: that wanted to see five hours and now it's probably
Speaker 1: the closest thing you can get to a sequel. Well,
Speaker 1: what that's what spends us into the conversation, right, you
Speaker 1: you have Cube, right, Cube is more on on all
Speaker 1: of this. You know political Chuck D. That's kind of
Speaker 1: who I felt like when I used to listen to
Speaker 1: Q when I was younger. He was all political, like
Speaker 1: you know how how America was treating black people, like
Speaker 1: standing up for black people and it's really cool West
Speaker 1: Coast gangster way right, But it was like Chuck D.
Speaker 1: But when he did en w way, excuse me, when
Speaker 1: he did Boys in the Hood. Remember Easy that's the
Speaker 1: name of easy song. So this is all this super
Speaker 1: leaning its culture packaged up into one idea. It had
Speaker 1: kind of the outlaw right now from the West at
Speaker 1: this point that the guy everybody looked at as like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he just don't give a funk. You know, he's crazy.
Speaker 1: He's from out the world's most dangerous group. You named
Speaker 1: it right after uh, Boys in the Hood, which is
Speaker 1: probably at this time, outside of Six in the Morning,
Speaker 1: the most iconic song fast forward obviously Fuck the Polices
Speaker 1: in the conversation straight out of Conflict. But at that time,
Speaker 1: Boys in the Hood and in Six in the Morning
Speaker 1: were the songs, so you named it after this song
Speaker 1: Boys in the Hood. You have ice ice Cube, And
Speaker 1: now this is a gangster story right of really how
Speaker 1: it is in l A. But is the square guy
Speaker 1: that lives in the neighborhood that's you know, cool, trying
Speaker 1: to go to college, the athlete who kind of don't
Speaker 1: got the right grades but stand away from the culture
Speaker 1: when you know, trying to make his way out the hood.
Speaker 1: His brother who was a gang member right and and
Speaker 1: been through so much stuff as a kid. So now
Speaker 1: he's coming home. He's just trying to get his money.
Speaker 1: He got his homeboys, and it's the story of crips
Speaker 1: versus bloods. That never had to say because of blood
Speaker 1: but fairish you could tell was the blood, this, that,
Speaker 1: and the third. So when this happens, right this movie,
Speaker 1: you gotta remember, this is an urban movie that does
Speaker 1: sixty seventy million in the in the country. This is
Speaker 1: a ninety one. It's like Scarface. It was like a
Speaker 1: modern day Scarface. It was like the same way Scarface
Speaker 1: enamored everybody in the drug game in eighties. This was
Speaker 1: like game culture for the nineties. Ten years later. It
Speaker 1: was the same type of effect. Everybody went out and
Speaker 1: sold drugs after seeing Scarface, Like I'm gonna be him
Speaker 1: without that movie. But my question, here's where I'm going
Speaker 1: to that. Right, So you have this movie that does
Speaker 1: seventy million, and I believe Shook saw that. Now I
Speaker 1: gotta confirm with Pops. I can't just put words and
Speaker 1: Popps mouth and show the mouth like that. But that's
Speaker 1: what I think he saw. He was like, Oh, they're
Speaker 1: gonna love who we are, because I'm sure before that,
Speaker 1: the concept of being a crypt and the blood was
Speaker 1: shamed at in the industry, like it wouldn't work until
Speaker 1: Boys in the Hood happened and people realize everybody likes
Speaker 1: somebody in the film. It really became again. At this
Speaker 1: roughly seventy million dollars. What the funk urban flick was
Speaker 1: doing without a superstar? You know, ice Cube, this is
Speaker 1: hip hop. You know, God's coming up. He's not this
Speaker 1: super more tip platinum success. I mean, he sold a
Speaker 1: million records, maybe two, but he's not this. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not mc hammer, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: but they put out this him this new director recipes
Speaker 1: to John and this film does roughly seventy million dollars
Speaker 1: in the country. So then you could tell this West
Speaker 1: Coast stuff is a phenomenon. So when you start talking
Speaker 1: about the low riders and stuff, I think SiO saw
Speaker 1: this success because Sugar is a college kid that that
Speaker 1: what the college knew a little bit about marketing and
Speaker 1: said to himself, right, oh, they loved this, They're gonna
Speaker 1: love this. This is seventy million. I think that was
Speaker 1: his research. So he was like, Okay, when they did
Speaker 1: nothing but the g thing, they said, we're just gonna
Speaker 1: make Boys in the Hood, yeah music version, because it
Speaker 1: looked like that. Even the visuals, the shots that look
Speaker 1: esthetically like it's a barbecue, riders like boys in Hood, party,
Speaker 1: boys in the Hood. It looks like Now when you
Speaker 1: think of nothing but the think video, and you think
Speaker 1: of what boys in the visually, the way the cameras
Speaker 1: look at everything, it looks like the same. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that was the case study. So again, who
Speaker 1: would be the innovator of exposing that culture? Maybe the
Speaker 1: guy who made colors, Maybe Iced Tea for writing colors.
Speaker 1: I mean as far as gang banging itself, but who
Speaker 1: gives credit to colors more than they give credit to
Speaker 1: boys in the Hood or Menister Society for West Coast lifestyle.
Speaker 1: Most people don't name colors at all, and colors in
Speaker 1: theory right, could be the innovator of displaying gangmaking coach.
Speaker 1: But that's like somebody looking at the flower and going, man,
Speaker 1: that's a strong gass seed that blossomed. Everybody, look at
Speaker 1: the flowers, Look at this, Look at this. Chea was
Speaker 1: bro Don Chea was Rocket. He was the coldest crip
Speaker 1: and like Bro. No, you gotta see the video Angela
Speaker 1: wind Bush where he's dancing in the video. I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna last his first plains. I don't have to say this,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say that I was born in eighty three,
Speaker 1: I seen colors. What I was born in eighty three,
Speaker 1: and I'm even slightly. I'm gonna be honest. I didn't
Speaker 1: see coming to America till about ship four or five
Speaker 1: years ago. Maybe I still don't seeing coming to America.
Speaker 1: I ain't seen none of the movies y'all mentioned. You
Speaker 1: should kill yourself. This is coming to America. Place with
Speaker 1: her every day, every time I'm with her for the
Speaker 1: last two years. So you don't know the wonders of
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy. No, like I've seen, like the little clips
Speaker 1: that everybody's saying, Right, if him actually come into America,
Speaker 1: No storyline a bit with a dad, right, he had
Speaker 1: a girl in America. No, this is crazy. No, that's
Speaker 1: not the storyline. Yeah, something like that. It's more so
Speaker 1: like he was ultra royalty in Africa and came to
Speaker 1: America to get away from that so someone could love
Speaker 1: him for the real him. So he worked at McDowell's,
Speaker 1: which was like McDonald's but black owned, and fell in
Speaker 1: love with the owner's daughter. And there were some jokes
Speaker 1: along the way by our senior hall and barbershop. And
Speaker 1: that's about it, okay, right, so his wife, So you
Speaker 1: gotta understand it's not really a cultural phenomenon for him,
Speaker 1: like for us, it's like for short, like if if
Speaker 1: Cisco or Ebert reviewed it, that's what they would say.
Speaker 1: But from us, she's like, who's Cisco, And she's like,
Speaker 1: Cisco died, Like team Bro, you're just but no, Silver exactly,
Speaker 1: We're not gonna do this. You need to watch Coming
Speaker 1: to America. It's really great. It's funny. It's like one
Speaker 1: of the most important black mos e It's super great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like really super great. Do do a deep dive
Speaker 1: in Eddie Murphy was coming to America and you gotta
Speaker 1: go Trade Places. You gotta go first film as well. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's with him and Dan. I ain't seen that one either.
Speaker 1: What is this guy here for? I'm turning his mic off.
Speaker 1: What year did they come on? Come on, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We're born the same year, so I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Traded Places. It's like, okay, you remember coming
Speaker 1: to America, right, yeah? Okay, so and coming to America.
Speaker 1: You remember when he's walking and he took the money
Speaker 1: from Simi. You know, he took the SIMI kept spending money.
Speaker 1: He hooked off the apartment and made the apartment too
Speaker 1: nice and he took his money, like you can't do
Speaker 1: no more damage, and he put the money into McDonald's bag.
Speaker 1: He was walking off and he's walking with Lisa and
Speaker 1: he hands the bag to them. Too, old man, the
Speaker 1: two old white broke men on the corner. He was
Speaker 1: like Mortan Mur. You know, he's like Randolph. Look, He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm still not talking to you. Mortan Mur. He was like, look,
Speaker 1: he's counting money, he said, And it was like, we're
Speaker 1: back that. That was the first rap video cameo of
Speaker 1: all time. That's trading places. That's where the characters come from. See.
Speaker 1: So I don't as much as I'll be on your
Speaker 1: head about it's a bunch of stuff I missed, but
Speaker 1: I'll be like, you know what I mean. But yes,
Speaker 1: it's so moving forward cause we just got lost. So
Speaker 1: death Row at that point, right, becomes the cultural revelation,
Speaker 1: right of what's going on. M I mean, it's like,
Speaker 1: we didn't have to gamble Boys in the Hood. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: colors gamble for us. Right, Boys in the Hood became
Speaker 1: proven success, right, and then death Row became the soundtrack
Speaker 1: to boys and What's funny is to piggy back off
Speaker 1: the Minicociety one Movie of the Year at the MTV Awards,
Speaker 1: so they got such a phenomena. Boys in Hood didn't
Speaker 1: even get nominated, but it was such a success. Hughes
Speaker 1: brothers went copied it and want to MTV of mute.
Speaker 1: Kind of similar to Onyx beating out the Chronic for
Speaker 1: the Grammy that year. That's a little interesting. On was
Speaker 1: tough beat Wow. I don't know in real time again,
Speaker 1: I was seven, I wasn't watching the grounds in real
Speaker 1: time is different. No, but when you think, oh, the
Speaker 1: chronic didn't win to Grammy, you're like, damn, well, who
Speaker 1: beat it? And then you can look and Slam beat
Speaker 1: it real time it's different. Was huge. I was like
Speaker 1: twelve when that she came out. It was crazy. It
Speaker 1: was awesome, but there was nothing special. It was specially special.
Speaker 1: I think the chronic became something greater at the striking
Speaker 1: moment of the conversation. In real time it was a conversation. No,
Speaker 1: but do you think it's slam. That was a real
Speaker 1: conversation because Slam was like big people love movie from
Speaker 1: the Crystal that boys people that spawn movies for them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sugar Hill, all the movies came out that spawn movies
Speaker 1: because they were in films. After that, they start fred
Speaker 1: Row and yeah, there were a lot of made for
Speaker 1: TV movies after that. Hold up, see you talk to
Speaker 1: see that's that white people ship. We don't care if
Speaker 1: it's made for Bro. You just had too many films,
Speaker 1: too much for your life, so you spoiled, so you
Speaker 1: just degrade that. I'm pretty sure the movies were actually
Speaker 1: made for the theater, but that was again happening. I
Speaker 1: got the hook. It was for ice Cube. Bro. The
Speaker 1: first hip hop movie I've ever seen today, it's actually
Speaker 1: hip hop's birthday, Happy birthdayday for years. Thank you for
Speaker 1: saving my life for the day, So thank you for
Speaker 1: saving my life. Right, thank you for saving my life? Right? Okay,
Speaker 1: but right, if you start like the first hip hop
Speaker 1: movie I've seen or the record business of hip hop
Speaker 1: that I've seen, right, was probably that I can remember
Speaker 1: is Breaking. Yeah, I mean I remember seeing Breaking. That's
Speaker 1: seeing ice Tea on that screen, like wrapping and them
Speaker 1: nick Is dancing breaks and sucking it up the way
Speaker 1: West Coast niggas did. I've seen B Street, but I
Speaker 1: didn't really take to it because I thought it was dope.
Speaker 1: But it was a bit in New York. And if
Speaker 1: you don't get that, like they were fighting over painting
Speaker 1: on the fucking train, which street a question. Though. There
Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of hip hop really in Boys in
Speaker 1: the Hood, right, it was a movies movie. Well that
Speaker 1: that is what hip hop is. Yeah, but there was
Speaker 1: like hip hop and some of these other movies. Well, no, again,
Speaker 1: hip hop is. So I've came up with this is
Speaker 1: the Warriors Warriors or whatever Boys in the Hood New
Speaker 1: York is it is because that seems like a hip
Speaker 1: hop movie with no hip hop being played. You know,
Speaker 1: there's too many white people in that film to be
Speaker 1: hip hop at that time York, you know, But but
Speaker 1: hip it was. It was the whole thing. I think
Speaker 1: it was routed. So this is what I've realized. This
Speaker 1: is important. Hip Hop in New York, right is the
Speaker 1: culture right, so excuse me, the culture is hip hop.
Speaker 1: So like the culture in New York is being a
Speaker 1: rapper is being a breaker, you know, to the music
Speaker 1: is dejang is knowing the lessons is graffiti. That is
Speaker 1: hip hop for us on the West Coast, right, our
Speaker 1: culture is what hip hop is. So it's the lifestyle
Speaker 1: we live and talking about that. That's the way, so
Speaker 1: crip walking could be considered hip hop at certain places,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean it became a part of that
Speaker 1: culture because we even to the music, right even though initially,
Speaker 1: but that's very similar to Colors. No, I get it,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying Colors is the innovator. It just didn't
Speaker 1: get credit. Colors is iced tea song. Colors It's problem.
Speaker 1: Nic did have a track on that, and it actually
Speaker 1: ended up No Ki is probably the most underrated track
Speaker 1: about gang banking ever. I mean, it's it's like super
Speaker 1: duper yah. It's one on one, the same three on one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the point I'm saying is right, y'all keep throwing
Speaker 1: me off, Okay, So yes, death Row right, So death
Speaker 1: Row saw that Colors was the innovator. Boys in the
Speaker 1: hood became you know, uh, the proof, and then death
Speaker 1: Row happened. Right now now they're selling gangbanging culture. Gang
Speaker 1: banging was at his highest level. They all used to
Speaker 1: gang bang the pe fund, which is crazy. All my
Speaker 1: all my older hommies, hot Dog and them from Lanes,
Speaker 1: all the older homies Rich were great. They used to
Speaker 1: tell me moon Plug all they'll say that would Flashlight
Speaker 1: to get your ass killed at the party. Flashlight. Come on,
Speaker 1: they can start banging flashlight, We'll get you killed. That
Speaker 1: is one of the most active gang banger songs they
Speaker 1: said in their time. What's his Name is? Um? On
Speaker 1: the podcast from Gangster Chronicles, Um James was saying that
Speaker 1: he used to have to put on quick when he
Speaker 1: was listening to whatever from back in the day when
Speaker 1: he was running around Compton, But then when he got
Speaker 1: near the studio he had to put on quick because
Speaker 1: that was what you have to listen to a death Row.
Speaker 1: So again for Dre, you know, we keep getting to
Speaker 1: a whole much which is dope. I love this part
Speaker 1: of it. But to get to that point, Dre has
Speaker 1: went through three different things musically, like right where you
Speaker 1: know his brakes came from break Beach, right where he
Speaker 1: was on drums and that's where he was looking and
Speaker 1: he was building off for that. And then when he
Speaker 1: got into g funk right that that carried the death
Speaker 1: Row era, and then aftermath to this day is all
Speaker 1: like kind of this classical pop style of music where
Speaker 1: he's made kind of his own Lane forgot about Drey
Speaker 1: forgot about Drake right, which is is that it was
Speaker 1: a South No, that's not no doubt. No doubt is
Speaker 1: the other song No daughters. Other song forgot about dre
Speaker 1: is a cold flip. But yeah, that ship is fired.
Speaker 1: But still d r E. Yeah straight here, still d
Speaker 1: r E. That song reminds me of that song. They
Speaker 1: would never admit it, but I believe that song is Um, dude,
Speaker 1: do do the dude? All all the color girls that
Speaker 1: races that song, that dude do do Dude? Could you
Speaker 1: give me a decade or at least a quarter? What
Speaker 1: was that song? All the color Girls? Like all the
Speaker 1: Color Girls. It's only one song, That's what are we
Speaker 1: talking about? It? Just that's it? Oh? Shut up? And
Speaker 1: then you get on the mic and go, how come
Speaker 1: I didn't talk to the show? Shut then? I can't
Speaker 1: believe you put up with this ship. That's I would
Speaker 1: say that I grew up with Crush Groove. That was
Speaker 1: the New York one was Crush. Crush Grove was super
Speaker 1: for everybody with My favorite East Coast movie at that
Speaker 1: point outside of the House Party, right as far as
Speaker 1: hip hop or when it was about rap music was
Speaker 1: Disorder These Yeah, that was funny with the Fat Boys.
Speaker 1: I remember that so all the color Girls, I cannot
Speaker 1: believe the wild Side take a work on the wild Side,
Speaker 1: lou Rey Walk on the wild Side. That's the name
Speaker 1: of the song. It's a movie though I think that
Speaker 1: I don't know that song. Yeah, dude, um so did
Speaker 1: um tried, tried? Can I kick it? That's to be right.
Speaker 1: So again like I hear still still there and I
Speaker 1: hear that song. I know what they're doing. But again,
Speaker 1: to take those ideas and make his ship is different,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. That's the thing that made
Speaker 1: him spectacular and the fact he's able to break ten
Speaker 1: different artists. And I agree to some degree, you know,
Speaker 1: dre sales at the highest level gangster app right where
Speaker 1: it's like this reality based in culture of the West
Speaker 1: Coast living right, But I don't give a funk who
Speaker 1: it is to break ten artists. It is just about impossible.
Speaker 1: From a record side. You gotta know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: You have to be a super master of music and
Speaker 1: then understand how it correlates to the marketing side of it.
Speaker 1: It's the reason like like exhibit was kind of popping
Speaker 1: on the West like he had a und Yeah, what
Speaker 1: you see is what you get them songs is fired,
Speaker 1: but they're not smash records. They're like these underground kind
Speaker 1: of songs that we all know within the culture right here.
Speaker 1: But you give him X that's some classical, but that's
Speaker 1: that same time after Math Drake was classical. So again
Speaker 1: I think it's underrated what he's able to do musically.
Speaker 1: I agree with you in the sense that this is
Speaker 1: not a conversation of innovators. Those are different conversations. Well,
Speaker 1: you've seen the Netflix movie Laurel Canyon or In the
Speaker 1: Canyon something about the Canyon. It's about it's it's related
Speaker 1: because it's a time and place type of analysis of
Speaker 1: the music industry. But there was you know, small number
Speaker 1: of producers, one or two over in you know, the
Speaker 1: Laurel Canyon area of Hollywood Hills, and like all the
Speaker 1: like acid head hippies from the late sixties, all of them,
Speaker 1: no matter where the funk they came from, they were
Speaker 1: going to a bunch of rental houses over there, getting high,
Speaker 1: had studios in the houses and broke like more records
Speaker 1: and you could fucking count. And it's it's a pretty
Speaker 1: cool documentary about like the intersection of like proximity and
Speaker 1: timeliness within the music industry and how you can put
Speaker 1: that out and capitalize on it. It's it's not a
Speaker 1: terribly dissimilar conversation to this one. I mean it's a
Speaker 1: photo negative of this. I mean that's not for Max Mortin.
Speaker 1: A lot of camps like right came that way. But
Speaker 1: it's kind of like when when Snoop was talking about
Speaker 1: No Limit having that campus of all the artists and
Speaker 1: all the studios were like all at one. But but
Speaker 1: also what makes hip hop special, right is the fact
Speaker 1: it's it's involved with so much culture. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it's one of the first genres that so culturally drenched,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean. Like at one time,
Speaker 1: music was kind of more like the same you know,
Speaker 1: most of the music was popped at the highest level,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like it was rock and
Speaker 1: roll kind of came in and start doing some damage
Speaker 1: where they start bringing in like this whole other thing.
Speaker 1: Before that, at the highest levels, it was pretty much
Speaker 1: all similar to me, I mean, like it didn't have
Speaker 1: to be drenched in culture. Like hip hop became so
Speaker 1: popular because it carries so much culture. The first time
Speaker 1: you've seen those low riders rawand before that when you
Speaker 1: start seeing guys with Tim's on, Right, you're looking at
Speaker 1: guys with Tim their boots on and they're wearing them
Speaker 1: on purpose, like like, yeah, this is our fashion and
Speaker 1: we got these genes are a little bit bagging. We
Speaker 1: got these hoodies and these big jackets because the oldest
Speaker 1: ship out here for a truck suits and run them
Speaker 1: say it did this. That was hip hop break beating
Speaker 1: right when it started in the seventies at the parks
Speaker 1: and people DJ you walked on the scene, you was
Speaker 1: doing good freedom. That's the culture all saying. I'm saying
Speaker 1: the culture was those things I'm saying to encompass where
Speaker 1: hip hop in the sensor. Yeah, like yeah, like the
Speaker 1: do you could talk it, you live it, you could
Speaker 1: talk Yeah, it becomes a living breeding like when you
Speaker 1: first seen hip hop when I was younger, Like when
Speaker 1: you've seen it from New York, Right, you could talk it.
Speaker 1: You could say so, you could say be, you can
Speaker 1: say kids, and you could tell that. As much as
Speaker 1: that was New York, that became a part of hip hop. Right, jeeks,
Speaker 1: Tim's for me backpass. You see niggas. Niggas ain't been
Speaker 1: in school ten years wearing backpass. Hip hop is like
Speaker 1: this black hole that can sun anything and take anything
Speaker 1: in and make it cool. Kanye took Louisvaton backpacks and
Speaker 1: pink polos, pop the collar and put chains on it
Speaker 1: and can be like, I gotta bends in the backpack.
Speaker 1: And it's like jay Z saying, we don't drive X files.
Speaker 1: We give them the baby mamas. He instantly made every
Speaker 1: blackmail be like we don't drive BMW SUVs. I know
Speaker 1: they were selling BMW SUVs, wondering why the sales win,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you women in them. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you why. I don't care about that. So
Speaker 1: what what I don't care about that part is because
Speaker 1: it becomes a money thing. And one thing, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not money. It's not a money thing, you right. Sometimes
Speaker 1: at his highest levels, there was conversations of beamers and
Speaker 1: Louis vatans. It's little just styled, but but it's not
Speaker 1: really style. Yes, you're just layering on top of you
Speaker 1: just trying to one up. The last thing all any
Speaker 1: rapper today with crazy videos is trying to do today
Speaker 1: is one up what run DMC did? We all come
Speaker 1: Even though We're not in a category with Marvin Gared
Speaker 1: them from we still are all in the arena music.
Speaker 1: You're still competing with Jimmy Hendricks and what he did
Speaker 1: on stage playing the guitar, putting the acid in his eyes,
Speaker 1: and and I think the greatest people are. But but again,
Speaker 1: it's important to get people to notice about hip hop.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying when the keen of being
Speaker 1: right here, it's not about money. See, money is just
Speaker 1: an easy marketing tool. Success is just easy marketing tools.
Speaker 1: Those are easy ways to get people to be involved.
Speaker 1: Everybody want to stand next to a winner, right. But
Speaker 1: it's also not the biggest ship. And that's why when
Speaker 1: the West Coast came was snooping them came. They kicked
Speaker 1: everybody ass because it didn't cost nothing before the dollars
Speaker 1: to be them. Yeah, get a dicky suit and put
Speaker 1: some chucks on. It was sixty dollars. It's forty all
Speaker 1: outfit twin allar pants and a fucking hatt. It didn't matter.
Speaker 1: Al and them had these. You know, it was niggas
Speaker 1: in the video with the beamers and all this and
Speaker 1: extra and all this four and ship and you know
Speaker 1: one love the Dapper Dan who did all the Floyd
Speaker 1: Mayweather's outfits for long on. It wasn't about having Louis
Speaker 1: Vauton Gucci. It wasn't about that. That became ways for
Speaker 1: for people to separate themselves and they start using European
Speaker 1: fast because it was expensive to separate theirselves. But again
Speaker 1: that's actually stylistically lazy. Yeah, it's harder to get fresh
Speaker 1: before the dollars than it is with two shirt on.
Speaker 1: And we come from a place where women go to
Speaker 1: the seven dollars stow and everybody that got some money
Speaker 1: still want to knock them down. So it's really important. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see me. So again, the reason hip hop will be
Speaker 1: struggling today, right, and it's important is because it lacks culture.
Speaker 1: Like right, you have the Internet providing one idea, Right,
Speaker 1: everybody's saying twelve, everybody's it's these certain words that everybody's
Speaker 1: saying because they're all living their life likecariously through social media.
Speaker 1: But really, Sawyer was created by the dirt. And if
Speaker 1: you want to sell culture, right, that's what made Snoop
Speaker 1: such a phenomenon coming out. He sold the coach like
Speaker 1: that's el the same thing they sold the culture. So
Speaker 1: your job in hip hop right, even from a record
Speaker 1: produced record producer standpoint sonically right, is to figure out
Speaker 1: the culture that's scoring that lifestyle. The reason the West
Speaker 1: Coast is struggling it so hard to get back into dominance.
Speaker 1: The culture hasn't changed, so trying to change the music
Speaker 1: it's almost kind of yeah, and it looks the same.
Speaker 1: Everything is the same, and people are trying to It's
Speaker 1: like opening a bunch of healthful stores in the South.
Speaker 1: Still some niggas down there, Bro, niggas want season and
Speaker 1: on their food. Niggas don't want salad. Niggas want cabbage fright.
Speaker 1: Let those Santa Monica soy ribs are delicious. I'm not
Speaker 1: knocking it, but it's in Santa Monica where you eat
Speaker 1: on your Louis Place, Matt Time plays Matt Feel Me.
Speaker 1: And I'm not knocking. I'm saying that's the that's the thing. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, that's the thing with hip hop hip that's
Speaker 1: what we brought to the table. You gotta think so full,
Speaker 1: bro is the worst food. Yeah, there's the slop they
Speaker 1: threw back there that was like, Okay, we ain't eating
Speaker 1: this Nashy ship. Y'all had this. Really, that's when neck
Speaker 1: bones and pig feet come from. Don't think they wanted
Speaker 1: the We got greens and rice and gravyes, so fire
Speaker 1: and the oxtails. It's horrible oxtails. No one wants. Chicklings.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants like everybody loves oxtails, chilings, everybody nobody wants that.
Speaker 1: Do you realize what it is nobody nobody about? If
Speaker 1: you have the animal, you're eating the intestines of it.
Speaker 1: That means they already took the main part of the
Speaker 1: bacon and everything that I really didn't know it was that.
Speaker 1: But that's not crazy because you was born yesterday. I
Speaker 1: don't mean that negatively. When I'm saying yesterday, I mean
Speaker 1: like yesterday, goddam, they ain't already had a low rider.
Speaker 1: But that's not important. The point I'm saying that at
Speaker 1: sixt when the hip hop became, that's what made hip
Speaker 1: hop so special. So yes, soulful is the scraps that
Speaker 1: the slave master. We don't want this. Y'all had this,
Speaker 1: and we figured out a way to season that ship up.
Speaker 1: And that's why greens ain't right. You had to cook
Speaker 1: that ship all day. That ship ain't supposed to be
Speaker 1: eight people and it's supposed to be eating and the
Speaker 1: more people are willingly choosing to still eat it. And
Speaker 1: it's like, but I'm but it is. It is good.
Speaker 1: It's just not what you have to do. But no,
Speaker 1: because this is the tricky part, because it is it
Speaker 1: does taste good, right, but it's unhealthy because the reason
Speaker 1: it tastes good is because they use so many different
Speaker 1: things that were unhealthy to make it. Like if you
Speaker 1: had soulful cook the right way, it would taste horrible,
Speaker 1: the salt and all the Yeah, it just wouldn't hit
Speaker 1: you feel me. But that's hip hop too, And this
Speaker 1: is why I said it's important. Hip hop is the
Speaker 1: same way hip hop started because these niggas didn't know
Speaker 1: how to play a ton of instruments. So hip hop writes.
Speaker 1: So when you hear them, niggas say, these are the brakes.
Speaker 1: They're talking about a break in the record, a drum
Speaker 1: break for the most part. And you take that break
Speaker 1: and you looking boom boom boom boom boo. That's the break, right,
Speaker 1: And you took that and you built around it right,
Speaker 1: and then you started rapping, right, you start preaching your
Speaker 1: life and your lifestyle and what you were about. That's
Speaker 1: what made hip hop sweet. It was our soul full right.
Speaker 1: It was our way of saying, Okay, we don't have
Speaker 1: you know, a drummer, we don't have you know, a horn,
Speaker 1: We don't have Macyo Parker, we don't have that. We
Speaker 1: don't have George Clinton had that. We got these technique
Speaker 1: twelve hundreds, and we're gonna make this work right, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna make music from this. That's why the world funck.
Speaker 1: We We always take stuff that it ain't supposed to
Speaker 1: be used for and use it as something it ain't
Speaker 1: even designed for. Turn the turntable into a The MPC
Speaker 1: wasn't made to make beats, something not hip hop music.
Speaker 1: It was made for a totally different genre, hip hop
Speaker 1: producers that now, we got it. That's what and that's
Speaker 1: what into it, and that will make all this stuff
Speaker 1: great in this country. And that's why it's really important
Speaker 1: right for a producer and hip hop right to understand
Speaker 1: the essence of it. You know what I mean? It
Speaker 1: is so full. You know something, I know you didn't
Speaker 1: watch the YouTube video I sent you yesterday, the Edward Ludwig.
Speaker 1: Why I even waste my time? Why I do the
Speaker 1: same thing. We're probably all sitting in a million things.
Speaker 1: He gets ninety calls. He only get that watch everything
Speaker 1: within the first seven days. I wouldn't burden you with that.
Speaker 1: It was a very interesting conversation. But the guy talks
Speaker 1: about kind of doing a comparing attract about the think
Speaker 1: tank I think things in China and why they struggle
Speaker 1: versus in the United States. And it has to deal
Speaker 1: with like diversity of inputs, you know, like the Manhattan
Speaker 1: Project was like genius minds from all over the place
Speaker 1: looking at similar concept from different angles. Man Project, that's
Speaker 1: the new Clair Brown. Yeah, that just seemed like whereas
Speaker 1: the attempt to do the same thing with like like
Speaker 1: China can't produce a jet engine, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: pretty fucking stupid to think that, but it's a fact.
Speaker 1: But I don't even know if jet engines are actually
Speaker 1: cool to produce. I think other people have ethics. Well,
Speaker 1: if if you really, really, really fucking want to produce
Speaker 1: one and you can't, that's a statement. True cool is
Speaker 1: what you just is what you desire it to be.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because the Manhattan Project probably just that
Speaker 1: probably was a bad thing. Tank It depends on people
Speaker 1: fast enough. Who you know what, We could take atoms
Speaker 1: somehow mixed and motherfucker's up and drop them and kill
Speaker 1: a million people at once. It's like that's fired. You
Speaker 1: know something, know, somebody's like there has not been a
Speaker 1: war between major power since the second one was dropped
Speaker 1: in the world. That's crazy to think about. That's probably
Speaker 1: cause everybody looked at each other. That's that's another aspect
Speaker 1: of the interview that you missed. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's sent to which I'm going to check it
Speaker 1: out right, But I don't know if I would look
Speaker 1: at it that way, I'd probably be looking at it
Speaker 1: like what the it's a little out of context from
Speaker 1: the reason that I brought it, but having to talk
Speaker 1: about like the American experience culturally is basically a bunch
Speaker 1: of people from different parts of the world with different
Speaker 1: types of perspectives turning shipped to sugar. Like country music
Speaker 1: isn't classical music from Germany with a bunch of resources
Speaker 1: and these great symphonies. It's somebody who strung up a
Speaker 1: fucking damn banjo and was drawing into a giant bottle
Speaker 1: like out of is about Rudy like somebody on the
Speaker 1: plantation singing and like gospel, yes, but the string guitar
Speaker 1: is not in the class symphony like the dope. Thing
Speaker 1: though about music is like all music like has its
Speaker 1: own spirit or soul to it. So it's even though
Speaker 1: that is what countries or what music, that's just popular music.
Speaker 1: That's all the genres, whatever surface level to the top.
Speaker 1: These are the popular. So there's actually a sonic for
Speaker 1: pop music as well. So there's just songs like most
Speaker 1: things or California Love, but then there's like these songs
Speaker 1: or you here, you'd be like like I get dough
Speaker 1: where it's like I don't know, or driver's license U.
Speaker 1: Olivia Rodriga likes pop breakers, Disney Kids, I get it.
Speaker 1: Pop is supposed to be designed to be like for
Speaker 1: everybody midspect exactly. They don't like it whatever, But that's
Speaker 1: just like food. If you made fool, body's just white, right,
Speaker 1: who wouldn't season it? When you go to a tie restaurant?
Speaker 1: Me being wide, I go to a tire, How spicy
Speaker 1: do you want it? If I say typ spy, I
Speaker 1: see they're not gonna give it to me. You playing example,
Speaker 1: we need to give you some white get some yellow curry.
Speaker 1: He's like, white man, you cannot handle this, exactly, give
Speaker 1: you that like a mild curry. The mildest heads. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe you've been there, like sweating. So Nickina as a singer, right,
Speaker 1: R and B, it's all about getting into why see
Speaker 1: all this stuff? Like I was telling you before, it's
Speaker 1: not about who's the best. And this is one thing
Speaker 1: I learned and me and Metro I've been sharing with him.
Speaker 1: Metro is just naturally American kid from where we're from,
Speaker 1: so their mentality automatically is like I'm the best. I
Speaker 1: don't care if I'm not the best. I'm the best.
Speaker 1: Because that's kind of how we brought up your your
Speaker 1: reputation or your perceptional yourself needs to be over inflated,
Speaker 1: would you fare That's how we grew up, like people
Speaker 1: telling us that you gotta feel like you're the best
Speaker 1: on the court. You gotta think you'll give me and
Speaker 1: I'll be like why. But but the point I saying
Speaker 1: is the worst one of the things I was. I
Speaker 1: told me too when I realized this, none of these
Speaker 1: niggas are better than us. And I'm not saying none
Speaker 1: of these niggas are not better than us, because they're
Speaker 1: not better than us. What I'm saying like, they've achieved more,
Speaker 1: but the people who are better no more. Dr Dre
Speaker 1: was learning how to play the piano when I met him.
Speaker 1: He didn't know how to play the fucking piano. And
Speaker 1: what year was up? This is two thousand and four.
Speaker 1: He could pay pianis at that point, I know, but
Speaker 1: you don't. I have Dante, but it still irks me
Speaker 1: when I can't just sit down and just compose some
Speaker 1: I'm a great producer, but I want to be a
Speaker 1: better musician and knocking and I'm not knocking that he didn't.
Speaker 1: But the point I'm saying to you is that's what's
Speaker 1: important being schooled. Even in hip hop, it's about who
Speaker 1: knows the most. For me, who knows the most. For
Speaker 1: every idiot that you see, you think it's winning, it's
Speaker 1: some motherfucker behind him that's unbelievably brilliant. It's always that
Speaker 1: motherfucker behind her. A question, has Drake put out anything
Speaker 1: of like substantial consequence since you learned how to play
Speaker 1: the piano? Did that just lead him to him overthinking it?
Speaker 1: And that could happen once you start seeing all the
Speaker 1: rules and stuff that you learn. The white man's instrument.
Speaker 1: It's over talent coming out of She ain't got no
Speaker 1: flavor r ship. Just that's why he gave me that
Speaker 1: look when he said you did two Parkmas done, I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that. It was like he was like, Glass,
Speaker 1: you need to apologize, really you think so? In my mind,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like nig he knew it too. He was like, man,
Speaker 1: you ain't ship nothing. No. But the point I'm saying
Speaker 1: is it's about being school like I was showing you
Speaker 1: and Michael Jackson, all of this stuff is about me
Speaker 1: a school Beyonce. She's well schooled. Somebody with them is
Speaker 1: well schooled. The more you know about what the more
Speaker 1: you know about what you do, the more you be
Speaker 1: a master of it. Or you gotta get somebody that
Speaker 1: no more. That's the truth. Like you gotta surround yourself
Speaker 1: like meetro You gotta surround yourself with people that know
Speaker 1: more and you still gotta learn. I just told you
Speaker 1: the single Ladies dance. That ship was forty years before
Speaker 1: that happened. Ship. She just flipped that ship and made
Speaker 1: that ship hurts. That ship blew up. Now you see
Speaker 1: what I was like, Yeah, this video's gonna look like
Speaker 1: hotline bling and I want this, And I'm sure because
Speaker 1: I see what's already worked, at least what I've seen
Speaker 1: in certain stuff, and I know what you like, so
Speaker 1: I know you know what I mean. But it's still
Speaker 1: a learning thing, you know what I mean. It's always
Speaker 1: that learning thing. That's why I'm always pouring into your
Speaker 1: cup all the time, overflowing to where I know you'd be.
Speaker 1: It'd be pouring out her ears. It just seems like
Speaker 1: it just seems like it doesn't make sense, but it
Speaker 1: makes sense. What does make sense, and what you don't
Speaker 1: want to happen is you find out late, like you
Speaker 1: know now build on what you know. Hip hop is
Speaker 1: all that same game. Like Dr Dre. He used to
Speaker 1: take pictures in front of all these records when I
Speaker 1: would be growing up, right, or like when I'll be
Speaker 1: in my car when I was driving, because this nigga
Speaker 1: been around for thirty years at that point, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like he had pictures where he just
Speaker 1: surrounded by records, vinyls, and I'll be like, man, this
Speaker 1: nigga like music a lot. I didn't realize he was given.
Speaker 1: That's like the grail behind him. He's showing me this
Speaker 1: is why, and it's things. It's more things into it
Speaker 1: than that, you know what I'm saying. But that is
Speaker 1: the start of it. That's in the beginning of the
Speaker 1: Straight Out of Compton movie. And watch the beginning of
Speaker 1: the Straight Out of Compton would be slow music playing
Speaker 1: and show a room and they show all these records,
Speaker 1: and you show Dre laying on the ground, records around
Speaker 1: his head and all that. They show him. This is
Speaker 1: where how he became three. He is he was listening
Speaker 1: to the records, playing his mom parties DJ and watching
Speaker 1: how they reacted to it. I'm gonna flip this, speed
Speaker 1: it up, put this wrapper on it. Yep, replay how
Speaker 1: these dudes redo it. YEP. I already see it work.
Speaker 1: That's the same thing I'll be looking at like, this
Speaker 1: is what worked. Okay, this worked in fifty four. Quincy
Speaker 1: did this with this little sixteen year old from Jersey.
Speaker 1: We need to be trying to do that. See if
Speaker 1: it work again. If it don't, well we're gonna find
Speaker 1: something else. We're gonna you gotta turn over every rock
Speaker 1: and be looking like, yeah, I can't be lazy and learning.
Speaker 1: We don't learn that, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: watch you go down that course of years of just
Speaker 1: being like I don't know enough. I need to learn
Speaker 1: hip hop. I need to learn is when you have
Speaker 1: to stop putting out music. So everybody thank yo as crazy,
Speaker 1: but you need you at a place now where you
Speaker 1: could be picking it up the whole time is still
Speaker 1: doing it. When I figured out I didn't know ship,
Speaker 1: I had already made some millions of dollars and and
Speaker 1: and sure you get into a thing and that naturally
Speaker 1: it's about money, but it's not when you fall in
Speaker 1: love with this ship. You know, whether it's R and
Speaker 1: BO hip hop, man, it'll be the greatest reward you
Speaker 1: ever had. Mary J. Blis sing everybody else song for Forever, Forever,
Speaker 1: feel me and something about us. You know where we
Speaker 1: don't embrace the past enough as a as a as
Speaker 1: a people, you know what I mean. But the ones
Speaker 1: who do, like Dr Dreda embracing them records and Beyonce
Speaker 1: embracing you know, that culture that dance, and they're the winners.
Speaker 1: Jay Z putting up certain symbols that you've never seen
Speaker 1: as a hundred years old. When you embraced the past.
Speaker 1: You're truly the winner. Nobody who just pushing at the
Speaker 1: future is a winner. Nobody. They all act like they is,
Speaker 1: but rest assured behind closed doors, they're looking backwards. Who's
Speaker 1: what they do? They did that? Okay, that's what we
Speaker 1: need to do. I keep telling you. The person who
Speaker 1: probably created big cooin, right, was thinking of gold, Like
Speaker 1: what if gold was a real concept? You know how
Speaker 1: we both realized gold isn't necessarily a real concept because
Speaker 1: it's not as rare as they say. Yeah, I've reading
Speaker 1: that book, Like Craig Wright was the first person to
Speaker 1: have a sports gambling gaming internet website in the United States,
Speaker 1: and then there were issues and then bitcoin, yeah, like,
Speaker 1: but think of the intellectual arrogance to not look back
Speaker 1: at the foundation and the process of thought, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: you think you're the first person to think of that,
Speaker 1: Like anybody doesn't. Yeah, even with bitcoin, there has been
Speaker 1: multiple things like e cash and other digital attempts where
Speaker 1: they couldn't solve the double spin problem. They couldn't solve
Speaker 1: certain things where it didn't work out for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Like when you're trying to make the light but you
Speaker 1: don't make one, you have to make a thousand Once
Speaker 1: it flickers on, how do you keep it on for
Speaker 1: more than three seconds? The motherfucker keep going out. How
Speaker 1: do you keep it on for more than an hour?
Speaker 1: How do you make it to where they flick it
Speaker 1: ten thousand times? It keeps on? And all these are
Speaker 1: problems you have to keep solving over and over and over.
Speaker 1: So even with something like you know, with the crypto
Speaker 1: with bitcoin, there's been all these other attempts that bigcoin
Speaker 1: has been able to build on top of and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: they did this and this and this and that's up.
Speaker 1: Didn't just pop up? And that's our job in hip hop,
Speaker 1: that's your job. In R and B, that's our job
Speaker 1: to build on the design. That's the confusion is to
Speaker 1: re event. Can I say this? Loope said this on
Speaker 1: his album Food Only. He said, did you improve on
Speaker 1: the design? Did you do something new? That was a
Speaker 1: bar he set on Food and Leaguer? Did you improve
Speaker 1: on the design? Did you do something like you're supposed
Speaker 1: to take that design and changes just a little and
Speaker 1: then it looks brand new to people. Michael Jackson looks like,
Speaker 1: where did this come from? This isn't just watch this
Speaker 1: and it was like, they really don't know that, and
Speaker 1: I became the biggest of all time a movie. Nipsey
Speaker 1: White read two pages that Contagious was like a cheap
Speaker 1: steak for a hundred dollars. Let me try an album,
Speaker 1: first album ever, for a hundred dollars. It's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you have to do was look a little bit. The
Speaker 1: answers are like verge people just don't look. It's like clues. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and once you find it, yeah, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I missed it the whole fucking time. I told him
Speaker 1: that that's why I read so much. You don't read
Speaker 1: for every word you read it for that was one
Speaker 1: to three gyms in the whole book and your yeah, man,
Speaker 1: So again, that's what hip hop is all about. That's
Speaker 1: really what this ship is about. It's about improving on
Speaker 1: the design. Everybody improved on the design. That's what it's about.
Speaker 1: That's what soul for was. It was about taking again.
Speaker 1: Oh y'all, that's what you're going throws. Watch this now,
Speaker 1: we're gonna sell it back to y'all white people. What
Speaker 1: is up now in the backhouse trying to eat nigger ship?
Speaker 1: That the part of that Wait a minute, bro, you
Speaker 1: got the good ship over there right now back you
Speaker 1: know what you know, I mean eating tie and ship
Speaker 1: like that ship is poor people food. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I mean like even your favorite white dish. Oh that's
Speaker 1: a tough question. I don't have a favorite really anything
Speaker 1: like that's pretty and that's pretty something. But like like
Speaker 1: like you were talking about and like you know how
Speaker 1: like like Sicily and the mob came from basically like
Speaker 1: a sharecropper economy. Right, well, you watched good Fellows like
Speaker 1: eight Trips and frees pig Guts, right like that's something
Speaker 1: that was three posses Spanish trips is you know, it's
Speaker 1: poor people, poor grarian you got stuck with what the
Speaker 1: funk he got stuck with? But when you think about
Speaker 1: how great season it is, I understood why they traded
Speaker 1: people for it. Yeah, I was like war, Like the
Speaker 1: King of England, the home of the blandest food in
Speaker 1: the world, sent people out. I don't care how far
Speaker 1: you have to go. I don't care if you have
Speaker 1: to go to fucking India, which I don't even know
Speaker 1: exists yet to find some spices. You better getting that
Speaker 1: goddamn boat yet, think salt kept meat like uh, good
Speaker 1: preserved through the winter. So people for seasoning, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, we want that flavor? What's up? Like,
Speaker 1: you gotta think season is the most expensive in the
Speaker 1: grocery store. They got seed. I think like the second
Speaker 1: most expensive substance on earth behind pure heroin powder is
Speaker 1: what's it called? No, the herb um saffron? Oh wow,
Speaker 1: it is a lot of seasonings. When you go in
Speaker 1: the alley, it'd be when you're like, what is seven dollars? Figg?
Speaker 1: What you don't want to get a couple of these? Really? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: I lost my whole kitchen and I do not want
Speaker 1: to go replace my kitchen. I had all the whole
Speaker 1: season fortune. We are this seasoning to life. Us Black folks,
Speaker 1: we are the season than to life. Imagine this life
Speaker 1: without us, it just be bland, no black people. I
Speaker 1: imagine without hip hop, Like what would the world be
Speaker 1: to be just like Britney Spears Hell No, I mean
Speaker 1: nothing against her, but no,