WEBVTT - BA Q&A: Shady and Underpaid 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:09.440 It's time for the b a q a A, the 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:11.840 b a q a what you say, the b a 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:15.120 q eight with Mandai, the b a q eight with Tifida, 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:21.440 the b a qa ay. It's broad ambition question and answers. 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.000 You have questions, we have some answers. Although we're not 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:26.640 your attorney, your financial advisor, your mom, but we are 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:34.159 your very savvy, fly cute favorite financial besties. Okay, so, 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:35.479 but we want you to take what we say with 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:37.120 a grain of salt and certainly lean into the people 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:42.120 that you pay honey. Oh, so we've got some questions today, 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.040 mandra who have you picked from the mail bag? 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.600 Ooh, career questions? 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Okay, but get your salt shakers ready, y'all, 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.560 because you know, as Tiffany said, we take everything we 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.959 say with a little tiny grain of salt. But let's 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.480 start with don't want to be shady, just want to 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.480 be paid. Literally, that's the name that we are going with. 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.200 Don't want to be We'll just call her shady. Shady 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.000 says hey, Andy and Tiffany. I have worked for a 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.960 company for six years now, and I have learned how 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:44.399 to be a career counselor. I had relevant experience when 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.039 I came into the job, but I honed ninety percent 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:50.040 of my skills through doing this job. Like most women 0:01:50.080 --> 0:01:52.280 of color, I am not making the money I am worth, 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.800 so I have advocated for raises over the years and 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.520 am making much more than when I started. Okay, I'm 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.440 thinking about starting a side business coaching young people in 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.200 their careers using the skills I've learned through this job 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.920 to generate an additional stream of income to pay off 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.519 my considerable debt, create an emergency fund, and be able 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.880 to travel. I would be serving a different demographic and 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:16.639 not poaching clients from the company. I'd be using resources 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.119 that I've used in my job, but I created most 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.320 of the resources we use anyway, Is it problematic to 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.920 use the skills this job taught me to make additional 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.600 money doing the same thing. Do I need to loopen 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.960 my boss at all or just do my thing? Sincerely? 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.400 Don't want to be shady, just want to be paid. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:37.440 Oh this is my juicy. It is juicy. 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:41.400 I'm sitting back like Mary, dude, what you say girl's perspective? 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.120 And then I'll say, I want you to say, from 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:44.440 like what can she actually do here? 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:50.000 Okay, from a boss's perspective, you are shady. This is 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.680 very not cool. I hate to break it to you. 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.120 So I know that you say that you have created 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:00.760 these resources yourself at work, so you feel like you're 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:04.120 entitled to use them in your business. But this is 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.200 why when I talk about you know, especially for nine 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:09.680 to five workers who are wanting to create their own 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.120 consultant business for example, and you yourself want to do 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:14.800 all your own service based business, one of my number 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:18.639 one tips is to immediately start like keeping that Chinese wall, 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.680 like keeping a barrier in between your work product at 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.600 work and your business product on the side, and you 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.680 are immediately blurring that lines when you take something that 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.400 you've produced at your office through on their payroll at 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:35.160 using their systems, using their print or whatever, and passing 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.480 it off as if you own it. That's the sad 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.080 thing about working nine to five. We love we love 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.560 the nine to five life, for the benefits, for the healthcare, 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.040 for the four one K, for that job quote unquote stability. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.000 But why we don't love it is that everything you 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.840 do while you're on their payroll is really their product. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.240 They own it, not you, which may not be exactly 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.600 what you want to hear, but that's the truth. Now 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.560 that being said, you are your own person, and there 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:07.120 is potential that you could launch your own independent venture 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.240 outside of your nine to five, but I think you're 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.400 going to there. The more unique your venture is and 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.280 the more you can say how different it is, the 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.280 more likely it's going to be to not cause any issues. 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.800 I think that like, based on what you're saying, it 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:26.559 seems really close to what you're doing now, very close 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.880 to what you're doing now, and I don't think it 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:31.120 would be wise of you to tell your manager that 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.760 you're doing this because I do think that they're going 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.840 to have an issue with it. That being said, if 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:41.760 you want to, yeah, Tiff wouldn't do it, I wouldn't 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.599 do it under your own name. I do think that 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:48.880 maybe there's an opportunity for you to like test out 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.320 creating your own content, creating your own thing, and trying 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.839 to post it, maybe under a pseudonym, just to see 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.880 if you're getting any traction, Like have that minimum viable 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.520 product kind of moment where you're trying to see if 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.719 people are responding to it. You could do some free workshops, 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.720 for example, like where you're not getting paid, but you 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.279 are like engaging with that audience and trying to like 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.520 test out your message and see if it's good. There's 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.120 a way that you could also do this where you 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.800 are like representing your company, but you're doing it like 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.800 what you're speaking on panels, like you're getting tapped to 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.680 go to conferences, you're getting tapped to speak at maybe 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:31.640 college campuses around the country, and you're doing it representing 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:35.080 your company. That's very different. If you wanted to do 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.159 that on your own, I think you would have some 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:41.320 challenges and they may not be too happy about it. 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.000 So and you make it suit because I know about 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.719 me and my Unicorn squad, I have a non compete 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.719 in our contract, like since you're not going to work 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.640 for me as a Budgeonista, and then also create a 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.279 financial education thing on the side. 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:01.320 With whose resources? Not more, you know what I mean? 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:04.280 Like like, so we now here's the thing. So many 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.560 people who work with me have side businesses that I 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:09.520 then promote, like you know, like we put like, oh 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.760 you know you like for example, I'm not saying like, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:16.040 for example, Logan on my team is my content manager, 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:21.400 and Logan is an amazing copywriter and content creator. And 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.640 so I've promoted Logan to like like on our social 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:29.560 media channels to do content stuff, you know, just in general, 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.760 and people have hired her, no problem. But what Logan 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.440 couldn't do, like because that's different. It's almost like I'm 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.919 a teacher and I tutor on the side, No problem. 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:41.680 But I can't open a competing school, you know what 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.240 I mean. And so like Logan doing content for somebody else, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.040 no problem. It's like I can't be a financial company 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.480 that does what we do. But Logan actually opening up 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:56.080 her own financial education firm. Problem because it's like you're 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.440 it's now you can do that and not work here, 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.760 you know, like you couldn't you know, you couldn't work 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:04.960 here and do that, even like I had a woman 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.359 on our team. She's also I just saw that Joadalice, 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.560 I forget the name of Jeddale's in staff. 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:12.800 She's she helps people create courses. 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:15.440 So when she was working with us, she really helped 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.640 to build out like our course platform for for Literature Academy, 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:21.400 and then she helped other people build that through course platforms, 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.160 and I think she was doing it simultaneously. No problem, 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:28.400 but she couldn't open her own online school called almost 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:30.680 Literature Academy or whatever you see to mean like her 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.120 own financial online school. Not that she couldn't open her 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:36.320 financial her online school, but that's the issue is that 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.600 you know you can't. And I've had people who you know, 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.360 try to kind of do that and it's not worked 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.560 because I think people don't understand. This is what you know, 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.400 when I'm gonna, like, you know, get my Kanye on 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:53.920 but saw sold separately. Since I know y'all here and 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.480 you're like, ow, I helped build the budget East and 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.360 I helped build this, I could do the same thing 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.240 over here, or I'm gonna take all of this to 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.960 the next person who's in competition with Tiffany and we're 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:04.720 gonna take Tiffany down. I've had a couple people do 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.960 that and then one year, two year, five years past, 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:12.480 and no new Tiffany has been built because sauce sold separately. 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.480 That although you bring a lot to the table, ultimately 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:16.920 you know I'm the table. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:18.680 And so you want to be mindful because you don't 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.400 want to be girls. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.840 You know. I've had a few people I'm like, oh, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:26.880 story in our first. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:29.760 Because you know, but I've had it. But I had 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.080 to learn that lesson from myself. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:32.959 But I just say all that to say honestly, then 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.560 be mindful because you don't want to be blackballed in 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.360 the industry. 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:38.240 Industries are smaller than you think. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.520 You don't want to be black balled, and quite honestly, 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.600 you will be found out because especially if you start 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:45.559 to do well and you don't want to be fired, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:47.520 you know, and now if you want to leave the 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:50.160 job and build something new, that's one thing. But to 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.880 build something that kind of competes even though it's like, oh, 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.240 it's different clients, you. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:56.800 Know, if you're here's the thing. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.600 If you cannot tell your boss, you know, then you 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.560 probably shouldn't be doing it unless you're ready to lose 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.240 your job and you're like, this thing is making me 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.960 enough money, So I just would be mindful of that. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.480 And that's that on that sis, be mindful, don't be shady, 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:15.440 just want to be paid, like you know, Yeah, just be. 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:17.640 Me mindful, you know. 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:19.720 Take your skill sets and ask yourself how you can 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.040 flip it where it's not at all like what you're doing. 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.280 You know, there's other things that you can do with 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:27.120 that skill set, Like I went for teaching preschool to 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.520 teaching financial education, so but still at the end of 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:30.480 the day, I'm still a teacher. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:31.920 So you could cherry pick the. 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.640 Skill sets and see and ask yourself, how can I 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.559 do this in a totally different way that if my 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.920 boss did find out or whatever. No, biggie, nobody's no 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.240 school is mad that a teacher tutors on the side. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.360 Yeah, and it's also it's special tutoring that they wouldn't 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.800 be able to offer, like one on one individual tutoring. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.719 You just can't do that. You can't single out a 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.440 student and then pour all your energy and attention into 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.880 them without knowing. I don't really know much about the 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.200 day to day job tasks that you have, but maybe 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.319 there's a case to be made for like you don't 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.240 get to do one on ones, but if you're literally 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.640 doing one on one coaching through this career counseling service 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:06.680 that you're a part of, and you want to go 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.760 do it on your own, under your own moniker like 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.640 on the side. Yeah, I mean that they're they're going 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.520 to have an issue with that. You're just gonna have 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:16.080 to like think about how is this different? How different 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.760 are the audiences? What is my like what is my 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:23.679 unique you know, value, my unique business proposition? And then 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.760 like how do you differentiate that? But that sounds challenging 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.200 and double dipping is not cool? 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:31.200 I keep us updated. 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.480 Yeah, I'm curious. I mean, you're going to give us 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.200 more deeps. You don't got to share it on the show, 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:40.080 but I'm curia. Like I was not a If I 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.120 had been a podcaster and then launch brand amission podcast, 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.520 like that would have been problematic. Like it was always 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.200 I always and I was working nine to five for 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.079 a long time with this show. But it was never 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:52.120 it was never interfering, It was never similar to what 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.200 I was doing, you know, through my nine to five, 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:58.640 so they were cool with it. Yeah, okay, thank you, Shady. 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:00.320 Let's take a quick break. You break, and I'll be 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.160 right back with our next juicy question from listener THEO. 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:07.640 All right, y'all, we are back. If you want to 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.120 read this one from listener THEO. 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:15.840 Sure you name it, THEO says, Hi, Mandy and Tiffany, 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.360 please be okay THEO. We know he said, use the 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:18.800 name THEO. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:19.480 Thanks THEO. 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.480 Thank you for the weekly career and financial advice you 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:25.160 render through your platform. While I do not represent your 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.160 core audience, I benefit greatly from your podcast and I 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.720 use it to inform and educate others in my immediate circle. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:31.360 Love it, THEO. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:37.160 I just listened to this week's episode CNN's Diversifying Negotiate. 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.040 Your Way to Success. 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:41.000 Having recently received a new job offer, I decided to 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.840 write to the podcast we love It. I am a 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.840 twenty eight year old black man working in the commercial 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:50.640 construction industry as a cost estimator who my sister used 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:51.080 to do this. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:52.679 Shout out to you, Carol. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.280 I earned both my BS Construction Management and Masters of 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:02.680 Business and Administration degrees. From nc at A andt State University. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.880 We stand a smart black King. The commercial construction industry 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.400 is a great field and it has yielded a rewarding 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:14.080 career for me over the past seven years. However, it 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.840 has been difficult to really tap into my earning potential 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.160 and leveraging my MBA until recently. I received a job 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.320 offer for the exact role at another company that will 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.480 increase my annual salary by twenty two percent, but I 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:29.280 would be leaving a What is that? 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.440 I said, Yeah, but. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.840 I would be leaving but I would be leaving a 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:38.600 company that I recently transitioned to in February of this year. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:42.640 For context purposes, my current role was a result of 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.440 me leaving a toxic and unhealthy work environment, so I 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:49.719 compromise on company provided benefits and pay. Okay, but I'm 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.520 glad you took care of yourself. The most recent job 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.520 offer was presented to me on eight ten, twenty twenty two, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.960 and I had to deliver a decision by eight twelve 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.240 of twenty twenty two. During the forty eight hours I 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.719 was given, I thoroughly reviewed the offer and the accompany 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:10.800 employee benefits package. I also shared the offer with a 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:14.319 trusted colleague for any additional input or feedback in regards 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.960 to the offer being made. I asked all the questions 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.400 that needed to be addressed, and I ultimately decided to 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:23.960 accept the offer. If my resignation is not received well 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.760 by my current employer, should I feel any guilt or 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:32.000 with this decision to transfer to transition after six months 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.760 reflect poorly on me. I'm waiting until my six month 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:38.959 probationary period ends before starting my new role so I'm 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.800 able to keep my five K sign on bonus. So 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.160 there is no and there is no sign on bonus 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:45.520 being offered by my new employer. 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:47.840 Thank you, THEO. This is se thorough. 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:51.840 We can see why you do this, you know because 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.480 I know exactly the job because my sister used to 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.280 do this. We see why you are because the job 0:13:56.280 --> 0:13:58.200 that you do you have to be so so thorough. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.199 So we see how you're a cost estimator out on 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:03.520 those coins and pennies. Okay, so what you say, man, joy, 0:14:03.600 --> 0:14:04.600 this is such a great letter. 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:07.079 I picture him with like a little pencil behind his ear. 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.679 Yes, a hard pants like glasses. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:10.160 You. 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.120 I love it, THEO. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.559 You are our core audience, just like a beautiful black king, 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.240 like Tiffany said, trying to collect the coins. So, first 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.320 of all, congratulations on you know, negotiating this new offer 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:24.280 and getting a twenty two percent raise. I understand the 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.760 core question is, like, I just came here six months ago, 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:28.920 and now I'm about to leave, and I'm going to 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:32.360 do it like the day after my six month probationary period, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.720 and so I can keep that five thousand dollars. Listen, 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.680 often in your career, when you make choices that are 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:43.400 to your own benefit, other people will be inconvenienced. Will 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.360 they be annoyed at you for leaving just six months 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.680 in the day after your probationary period ends, with your 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:51.880 with their five thousand dollars in your pocket? Will they 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:52.360 be annoyed? 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:52.640 Yep? 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.600 That being said, I think that if you are genuinely 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.520 determined to leave, like you have to ask yourself this. 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.640 If they try to counter this other offer and if 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.880 they say match it. For example, if they just say, hey, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:07.400 we'll give you twenty two percent more like you wanted 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:09.720 and try to keep you to stay, Like, what's your 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:11.760 answer going to be? Do you do you want to leave? 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.320 Are you done and want to move on? Or would 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:15.960 you be willing to stay, because I think you need 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:19.080 to go into that conversation knowing if there's an opportunity, 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.480 so you can set their expectations. So when you approach 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.280 that conversation and let's say that you are done, like 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.160 you really want to take this new job, there's nothing 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.600 that they could say to sway you. Then it's all 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.320 about being super compassionate and super honest about the reasons 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.160 why you're leaving, and kind of trying to explain to them, hey, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.360 I've really enjoyed working at this company. This is when 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.600 I get into my script motip. They're always has the scripts. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.680 I've really enjoyed my time at this company. However, I 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.960 have had an offer from another firm, and in addition 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:53.000 to offering a more generous compensation package that would give 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.600 me a twenty two percent raise. I have to be honest, 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.160 you know this other opportunity, and then tell them what 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.520 it is about this other opportunity that has attracted you. 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.280 You don't have to like go on and on and 0:16:03.280 --> 0:16:06.440 on about it, but like help them understand why you 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:10.000 would be leaving after six months, and as long as 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.280 you're being honest and the story makes sense, and they 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.600 can kind of compute it then they and if you 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.800 genuinely want to leave, there's not much they They can't 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.760 force you to stay. So I think if you just 0:16:19.800 --> 0:16:24.080 explain it in that way, you know, thoughtfully and compassionately, 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.440 that they should understand. It may reflect a little bit 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.720 poorly on you that you were, you know, only stuck 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:33.920 around for those six months, but you can't really control 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.880 at the end of the day how they feel about 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.440 you leaving. You can only kind of make peace with 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:41.920 I gave them six months of my hardest effort, my 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.040 best work, and I did what I came here to do. 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.760 And you know, I'm choosing a new opportunity for me 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.800 that will benefit me professionally, and that's the name of 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.040 the game, you know. So just make your peace with 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.760 it and and move on, and don't do it in 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.200 such a way that, yeah, you would burn too many 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:00.200 bridges on the way out. 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:02.560 No, I love that, and that I would say as 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.439 an employer, if someone who came to me, you know, 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.359 it depends how I feel about it. I'm not gonna lie. 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.480 If they were in a social employee, I'd be like, well, 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.960 we wish you well, girl, you know. But if they 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.680 were like a rock Star employee. Absolutely I would counter 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:18.760 and I'd be like, oh, man, like, you know, what 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.480 can we do? And even if they decided not to stay, 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:24.679 I would relative in the feedback because what can I 0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.200 do to create a better environment where Rockstar employees want 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.520 to stay? Because we create an environment where they thrive, 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:32.720 they're paid well, they feel respected or whatever. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:32.679 You know. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:37.359 So you know, but ultimately, I mean it's business, because 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:39.400 I mean I had to let go of a lot 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:43.119 of people earlier this year and so and it was 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.159 really hard. But I also had to remind myself I'm 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:50.080 running a business like that. I'm wanting to run a 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.480 business with compassion, with care, with all of those things. 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:57.159 But if if the business goes down, everybody's out of 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.480 a job, you know, And so believe me, your job 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.080 thinks about it like that and thinks about you like that, 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:05.000 even if it's a great working environment, that ultimately they're 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.320 in business. And so I try to remember that on 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.120 my end, that I'm in business. But then also employees 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.800 get to also say this is a business, you know 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.959 what I mean, Like I don't owe somebody my whole life, 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.120 you know, Like if I am allowed to choose what's 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.479 best for me, because rest assured the business is going 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:23.040 to choose. 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:25.960 What's best for the business, and so like, yeah, man. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.480 I went back and yeah, I went back and read 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.920 his question again, and here's what I'll say. Remember when 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.520 I said, like, you have to kind of know going 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.399 to that conversation what you want out of it and 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.320 if you're willing to walk away no matter what they say. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:42.720 He said, specifically, I've received a job offer for the 0:18:42.760 --> 0:18:45.680 exact role at another company that will increase my salary 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:49.320 by twenty two percent. And I think in this case 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.520 it's the exact same role. I feel like you would 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.080 be open to them countering. And I think that it's 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.320 if you walk into that conversation saying, hey, like so 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.800 it's a whole different conversation. If you would be open 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:03.680 to them countering, then this is what I would say. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.200 I would say, And this isn't my new guide nail 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:08.479 the negotiation, which you can get made money dot com. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.000 I have an exact scenario like this where you walk 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.320 to you say in person or on the phone, and 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:16.600 you say, hey, you know, I've really enjoyed my time here. 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.919 I've learned so much, but I have to be honest 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:22.119 I've received an offer from a competing firm and they've 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:26.760 offered me a twenty two percent compensation increase for doing 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.679 very similar work. I would love to stay with this firm, honestly, 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.080