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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Pellet. Stocks are at the best level of

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Speaker 1: What's an investor to do? Central banks around the world,

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Speaker 1: they are unresolved in their efforts to help the global economy.

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Speaker 1: Interest rates remain low, and if you invested in the

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Speaker 1: just less than two percent. Here to tell us what

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Speaker 1: Miller tay Back, joining us of course here at the

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Speaker 1: Boston Convention and Exhibition Center UH, prior to tonight's Greater

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Speaker 1: Boston Chamber Commerce Annual Meeting. Matt mainly, great to have

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Speaker 1: So what would you tell if you were going to

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Speaker 1: What would you tell them? Are the themes for investing today? Well,

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Speaker 1: Matt Maylie, thank you so much for joining us, Coming

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Speaker 1: Millary type back you're in Boston. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: Matt for joining us. I'm Kathleen Hayes, WELLOK, pim Fox

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