1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:02,279 Speaker 1: Can't find AM six forty. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,519 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: app on a very busy, eventful day. Good Lord, you 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: might have heard that Israel decided to give the finger 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: to the rest of the world and they're rolling into Rafa, 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: into Gaza and they're gonna do what they're gonna do. 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: So there's no peace agreement, no ceasefire, and that story 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: is changing about every ten minutes. So the next thing 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: that happens, you'll hear it here. Devor's on alert. She's 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: perched as a receipt. 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: I didn't even get a chance to chat with you 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: before the show. 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: I know there's too much going on. And then you 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 2: have the protests here in America, which as each day 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 2: goes by, there's more fascinating information about who's behind the protest, 16 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: who's funding them, what characters are instigating them. We'll get 17 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: to all that. And then we have Steve Gregory here 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: because if you notice that UCLA to be absolutely no coherent, 19 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: effective response from campus police or anybody else in the administration, 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: and Steve is going to tell us maybe what should 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: have happened. Yeah, So something that is called the Robinson 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: Italy Report from February twenty fourteen. I was made aware 23 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: of this over the weekend and actually provided a copy 24 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 2: of this one hundred and four page report that was 25 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: created by a Blue Ribbon panel and it was in 26 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: response to the need for a more universal approach to 27 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: campus civil unrest and civil disobedience. 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: And this was all done through the UC system. 29 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: At the time, the president of the UC system was 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: Janet Neapolitano, and so each of the campuses had to 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: come up with, you know, some of the deficiencies that 32 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: they recognized and some of the things that they're going 33 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: to do to help, you know, to help fix those deficiencies, 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: and what can the university system do as a whole 35 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: to address these kinds of problems. So when I was 36 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: made aware of this over the weekend, I reached out 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 2: and successfully was able to get an interview with the 38 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 2: president of the union that represents the University of California 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: police officers. There's about two hundred and fifty in the 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: system of the ten campuses, and I had a really 41 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: long chat with him, and in the middle of our 42 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: conversation news broke. The Chancellor Block at UCLA had created 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: a new office of campus Safety and appointed an advisory 44 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: committee and all these things, all this stuff, and right 45 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: in the middle of my interview, and I said, wait, 46 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: this is just coming through here. 47 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: This was yesterday. 48 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: I talked to him on a Sunday and the chancellor 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: sent it out on a Sunday, and I'm like, this 50 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 2: is odd. So I asked, Wade Stern is his name? 51 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: I said, Wade. He said, this is news to me. 52 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: Now. 53 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: Wade Stern is an officer at UC Riverside, so he's 54 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 2: in the UC system. He's also a member of their system, 55 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: my response team, which we'll talk about in a second. 56 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: And he's the president of the union, so he's pretty 57 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,399 Speaker 2: well entrenched in this operation, in this culture. He knows 58 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: what's happening. The bottom line is UCLA did not follow 59 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: the rules, did not follow the protocols and the mandates 60 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: issued by the president of the university back in twenty fourteen. 61 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 2: They all work from this model, this Robinson Edley Report. 62 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: All the police departments work from this model. And I 63 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: was going to go through this a little bit by 64 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: bit because each of the universities has a section in 65 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: the big Report, and I've got the UCLA version right here. 66 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: And also from this report, there were forty nine recommendations 67 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: offered to all the police departments, and you know what 68 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: one of the biggest ones was is that there should 69 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: always be an attempt to use the college police departments 70 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: first before. 71 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: Calling in any outside agencies. 72 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 2: And those decisions come from the top and or an 73 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: incident commander on the ground. So in this cut here 74 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to play. This is a Wade Stern cut 75 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: a He talks a little bit about how the decisions 76 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 2: are made in a little bit of perplexing decisions made 77 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 2: leading up to those events of last week. 78 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: The university itself, I don't know what they're guided by 79 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: and how they make those decisions. I think oftentimes they 80 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: want to try to solve the problems themselves, which is 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 3: fine most of the times. But the warning signs were 82 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 3: all there right when they started to fortify the encampment, 83 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: when video from up above showed them gathering fire extinguishers, 84 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 3: PPE and other items. Those are telling signs that they're 85 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: preparing for something. And so why they chose to wait 86 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 3: to go into there, You'll have to ask the heaven. 87 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: It was obvious. 88 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: It's really still after all these days, astonishing that there 89 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: was no response. I guess he's just as flabbergasted as 90 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 2: everybody else. Yeah, and here then and cut b. He 91 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 2: talks about the system Mind Response Team. This, this is 92 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: a team of officers within that UC police system that 93 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 2: are specially trained to handle protests and handle these de 94 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: escalation situations. And he talks a little bit about the 95 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 2: SRT team. 96 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: They're able to respond to civil disobedience and civil unrest 97 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 3: on our campuses. 98 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: That's what we're trained for. 99 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: We are guided by the Robinson Edley Report along with 100 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 3: our community safety plan that's been put together by the 101 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: university itself, the Office of the President. At the time 102 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: our SRT team prior to had been called police did 103 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 3: ask for our officers to respond for an SRT call out, 104 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: and then it was canceled twice twice. 105 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and no reason given none. 106 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: They can't. They don't even know who made the call. 107 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: They don't even know who made the decision. And so 108 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 2: when we try to find out, all we get are these, 109 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 2: you know, these really slick looking statements. That's all we get. Statements. 110 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 2: I don't even know if ever going to give a 111 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 2: press conference about this. 112 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: The bureaucratic gibberish. 113 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of that then this new Office of Campus 114 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: Safety is just another added layer of bureaucracy too. Now 115 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 2: in this kind of here, it's a little longer, but 116 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: I wanted to play for you. Now this is about 117 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: the new announcement of this public safety, new campus safety office, 118 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: and it's just really kind of interesting because it even 119 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:26,559 Speaker 2: baffles Wade Stern. 120 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: So this is now trying to take police out of 121 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: the direct hands of the vice chancellor, which is executive leadership. 122 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: At the campus. 123 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 3: And so now what you're going to have is is 124 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 3: you're going to have a chief that is going to 125 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 3: report to this guy who's going to report to a 126 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: vice chancellor who's going to report to the chancellor. 127 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: More bureaucracy, more bureaucracy. 128 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: What you're going to have is you have a chief 129 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 3: that you've been trusted, right, that has over thirty years 130 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: experience in law enforcement, that you hired to handle law enforcement, 131 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 3: you know, on campus and safety on campus. And now 132 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: you're bringing in another person with the same amount of experience. 133 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: Because the chief over at UCLA oversees the police department 134 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: and emergency management. So you're bringing in somebody else with 135 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 3: thirty year years of experience to oversee the chief and 136 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: Emergency Services. I don't understand. I'm trying to make sense 137 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 3: of that. 138 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: Does it sound more like an ass covering move than 139 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: more of a tactical move. 140 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the timing of this doesn't look good, right, No, go. 141 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: Ahead, Well, it's none of this has None of these 142 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: were safety decisions. These were political decisions because they were 143 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: either afraid of the protesters, or perhaps they agreed with 144 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: the protesters and they weren't about to do anything to 145 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: to to mitigate their protests. They were they weren't going 146 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: to destroy the encampment or remove these people or get 147 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: them to behave in a more peaceful way. I think 148 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: they were rooting them on either that or they're terrified 149 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: to death. What I'd love to see is a phone 150 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: log of how many calls Jean Block got over that 151 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 2: last week and who he got the calls from. Yeah, 152 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: who was pressing him not to do anything, or to 153 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: do something or to find this right exactly? Well, it 154 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: became untenable eventually. It was crazy violence that night when 155 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: the Israeli protesters challenged the Palestinian protesters, and now you 156 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: had civil war going on. But leading up to that, 157 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 2: clearly there was a reluctance, a defiance really to close 158 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,239 Speaker 2: down that those encampments. 159 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: The thing is is these these and I don't know. 160 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 2: I've got a lot more here. So I got breaking 161 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: news too about all of this. I don't know if 162 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: I'm allowed to say it, but I'm going to check 163 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: during the break. Well, you got to tell me, I 164 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: tell you. But if I can say anything, all right, 165 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: all right, we'll find out possible breaking news. Where do 166 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: you have to get permission from? As long as I 167 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: say it's okay, I am, the supreme permission gives it 168 00:08:59,280 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: work that way. 169 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 170 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 4: six forty. 171 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: John Cobelt Show, I Am six forty. 172 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: We got Steve Gregory from CAFI News here and last segment, 173 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: we talked about how UCLA did not use the protocol 174 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: that the uc system put out in twenty fourteen to 175 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 2: deal with the kind of situation that happened last week 176 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: with the protest and the tents and everything. Yeah, so 177 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 2: when you look at all these things, these protocols that 178 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: came up with, including using the UCLA's school police first, 179 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 2: the system response team from all the school universities, using 180 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 2: all them first, they instead jumped over them and went 181 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 2: right into the local cops. And what I got there 182 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: now is that every chancellor from every university had to 183 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: sort of sign this allegiance letter, if you will, agreeing 184 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: to all of these protocols and procedures back from twenty fourteen. 185 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: This is dated October twenty third, twenty thirteen. It was 186 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: to President Janet Apolitano, she was the U president at 187 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: the time. And it's from Gene Block, the chancellor at UCLA, 188 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 2: and he writes, I hereby certify that all of the 189 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 2: Robinson Edley report recommendations that were finalized and accepted have 190 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: been implemented or in the process of being implemented at 191 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 2: the UCLA. 192 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: At UCLA that might have. 193 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: Been true in October twenty third was not true last 194 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: week at all. Right, And what's interesting about these recommendations 195 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: forty nine recommendations which also include all administration and leadership 196 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: going through the same training as the cops when it 197 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: comes to de escalation in crowd management. I heard any 198 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 2: report they haven't been doing training since twenty twenty. They 199 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 2: cut the budget, probably a response to all the George 200 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 2: Floyd to fund. 201 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: The police area. 202 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, possibly, but so they've had no and there's probably 203 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: been turnover both in the police department and an administration. 204 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: But they're supposed to be doing that training every year. 205 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 2: Well you got to be reminded of it. Well, yeah, 206 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: it's a perishable skill unless you've got protests every day. 207 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 2: But in this particular case, now officers they have to 208 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: go through the States standards too, that's post peace Officer 209 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: standards and training, so they have to go through the 210 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: minimum amount of training to become a peace officer. And 211 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: they're all peace officers. But there's a different dynamic and 212 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: a different environment and culture on a college campus, So 213 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: approaches to protests are going to be a little different 214 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: than they are in downtown Los Angeles, right, because you're 215 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 2: dealing with students and you're dealing with a whole different 216 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 2: kind of mindset. And so that's why this SRT, this 217 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: system wide Response team is more qualified, if you will, 218 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: to go in at least in the initial stages. Do 219 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: you know if they understood they were dealing with outside 220 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: agitators as well, and dealing with professionals who were organizing 221 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: and orchestrating this. I will tell you based on my 222 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,320 Speaker 2: conversations with law enforcement and my experience, leadership thought they 223 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: were all students. Cops knew they weren't. If you think 224 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: about it, cops know the difference, and they can spot 225 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: it a mile away. They know the difference between a 226 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: student who's just trying to stand up for principal and 227 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: someone who's out there to cause chaos. 228 00:11:58,679 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: They know the difference. 229 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, the supplies, they had, the logistics even, I know 230 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 2: the difference. I've been covering protests for years, right, so 231 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: you can tell right away when it's a professional operation. 232 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 233 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: I mean most of the students don't cover up their faces. Yeah, 234 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: you know. And you heard about the banana allergy, right, 235 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: I heard something about that, But what was that story? 236 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: So on the campus at U c l A, someone 237 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: declared they had a banana allergy within that compound, that encampment, 238 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 2: So everyone that was a member of that encampment had 239 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: to go over and sort of, you know, sign off 240 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 2: or confirm they were not holding any banana product. So, 241 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: I mean, that's how bad it got. That's how bad 242 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: it got. So now I've never heard You want to 243 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: know what happened over the break? Okay, yes, you you 244 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 2: You got a text while we were talking, and then 245 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 2: you checked out the circumstances here, So what's the news. Yeah, 246 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: so it looks like there was a call this morning 247 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: involving police chiefs from all over the all over the area. 248 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: It looks like it's a California Office of Emergency Services. 249 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 2: That's what they call cal OEES. They're the ones who 250 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 2: usually come in for floods and fires and things like that. 251 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: That's governors. It's basically run by the Governor's office. And 252 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: they are now requesting police officers to rent to put 253 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: over at UCLA in twelve hour shifts. They wanted for 254 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: thirty days, rent them from local cities police departments. 255 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 256 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the interesting thing is is that chiefs are 257 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: pushing back, going, well, wait a minute, why is the 258 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: request coming from the Governor's office cal OEES and not 259 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 2: from UCLA. And when they try to reach out to UCLA, 260 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 2: no one's given them answer. It's the UCLA Police department 261 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: has no idea that they're not running that show. Now 262 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the Governor's office is involved. They 263 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: want to rent local cops to go out there. They 264 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 2: want to do thirty cops a shift, twelve hour shifts, 265 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 2: So two twelve hour shifts in a day, thirty cops apiece, 266 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: and the chiefs are like, we're not putting our people 267 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: out there because right now law enforcement is being made 268 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: the scapegoat and all of what happened last week. So 269 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: they don't want their own cops. 270 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: Out there anymore. 271 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 2: So they're gonna because you say, isn't supporting law enforcement? Well, 272 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: they're not going to be just hung out to drive. 273 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: They're not supporting their own police department. You think they're 274 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: going to support outside law enforce? And who would they 275 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: be reporting to here? That's the problem. They're going to 276 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: be hired by the state, by cal Oees, right and 277 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: put it UCLA. And then who's running the operation on 278 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: the ground at you exactly? That's the question. So the 279 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: chiefs are asking, well, where's the incident action plan, where's 280 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: the communications plan, where's the hierarchy, where's the incident command structure? 281 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: That's what they're used to, right, they don't have any 282 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: of that in place. They don't know what they're doing. 283 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: They just want to rent them, like they're rent a cops. Well, 284 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: that's that's not going to end no, and it's not 285 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: and that's that's not a good use of those qualified individuals, right, 286 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: and they're not trained for this particular situation and they're 287 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: not even following the training from ten years ago. No, 288 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: So this is what's going on now as we speak. 289 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: It happened over the weekend. I guess there was some 290 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: emergency call and the chiefs all got on a call 291 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: this morning and I mean an email went out, that 292 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: is what I was told. Them went out soliciting for 293 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: all of these officers from all these different agencies. And 294 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 2: they're like, no, no, no, we're not just blindly giving our 295 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: officers to UCLA. We got to have some answers here. 296 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: So they get on a call this morning and they 297 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: start asking around and they realized there's no plan. 298 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: They just want their officers. Wow. 299 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: I mean they've been caught completely flat footed. Yeah, and 300 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 2: they didn't want to get involved, clearly they didn't. Now 301 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: they've been forced to, and they don't know what to 302 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: do because they had one ten year old plan that 303 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: nobody's looked at or act or gotten trained for in years. 304 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: And when I look back at the plan and talking with. 305 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: Wade Stern from the president of the Union of the Cops, 306 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: he said, it's like everything else. If they would have 307 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 2: just stuck with the plan that was in place ten 308 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 2: years ago. It's not an old plan. It's not an 309 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: outdated plan. It's a very effective plan. If they had 310 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: just stuck with the plan all along, this would have 311 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: been avoided. 312 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: Steve, excellent reporting. 313 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: Thanks when you get more let us know, of course, 314 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: Steve Gregory, KFI News. When we come back, We're going 315 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 2: to tell you a story about one one of the 316 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 2: guys who is the ringleader at Columbia, which you believe. 317 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 2: He's forty years old. He lives in a multimillion dollar house, 318 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: his dad was a multimillion dollar ad executive, and his 319 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: stepmother is dating John Mellencamp. It's all coming up, true story, 320 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 2: and he's well the ring leaders of the insurgency at Columbia. 321 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: These are not innocent students. We have been infiltrated. 322 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI AM 323 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 4: six forty. 324 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: I almost forgot We've got I can't forget this. It's 325 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: a big deal. At three o'clock, we're. 326 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 2: Going to have former Los Angeles County District Attorney Jackie 327 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: Lacy on. 328 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: Jackie Lacy will be on the show at three o'clock. 329 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: She was the DA for eight years and then Georgia 330 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: gascon beat her when she ran for a third term. 331 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: And that's unleashed holy hell on Los Angeles County. Well, 332 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: today Jackie Lacy came out and endorsed Nathan Hakman as 333 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: district Attorney against Gascone. Obviously a lot to talk about 334 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: with her, and she will be in here at three 335 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: o'clock and coming up in the next segment, I'll tell 336 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: you that story about the leader, one of the leaders 337 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 2: of the Columbia Rebellion at Columbia University, and he is 338 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 2: forty years old, his dad is wealthy, his stepmom is 339 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: dating John Cougar Mellencamp. 340 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: It's all true. 341 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: Let's talk now with Blake Trolley because we had another 342 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: bus driver attacked in Los Angeles. This not a metro 343 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: bus driver, but there's another system called the dash bus 344 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: and she was attacked by, Oh, what do you know, 345 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 2: a homeless person, Blake. 346 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: What's a dash bus? I don't take bus. 347 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 5: Dash bus is a bus operated by the Los Angeles 348 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 5: Department of Transportation, and these are extremely cheap buses. John 349 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 5: to ride, it's fifty cents for the average person to ride, 350 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 5: and then depending on your age. I believe if if 351 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 5: you're elderly, or if you qualify in some other ways, 352 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 5: the fare gets down to about twenty five cents. 353 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 2: Well, you know, that's why they have cover charges at 354 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 2: clubs and bars to keep the riff raff out. 355 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 5: They could probably charge nothing if they just start, you know, 356 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 5: making a TV show out of everything that's happening on 357 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 5: our transit system. That think the ratings alone will cover 358 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 5: the fare for everybody. 359 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: They had the metro bus drivers jess basically go on 360 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: strike last Friday with a sickout because they're tired of 361 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: getting attacked and stabbed. And now this dash bus driver 362 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 2: describe what happened. 363 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, So what we have right now is video that 364 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 5: hit online. It looks like somebody caught video of this 365 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 5: as it was underway, but a homeless woman reportedly attacked 366 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 5: a female driver after refusing to pay, as I mentioned, 367 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 5: the fifty cent fare to ride the La dash bus. 368 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 5: Video begins with the woman that appears she's reaching around 369 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 5: the plexiga plexiglass barrier that protects the driver. The driver 370 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: gets up and the door swings open. The driver starts 371 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 5: pushing the woman out on the sidewalk. All the while 372 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 5: the woman is throwing blows towards the driver. They both 373 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 5: end up down on the sidewalk. The driver's kind of 374 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 5: pushing her back, the woman is continuing to charge her. 375 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 5: At one point, the driver bends down it looks like 376 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 5: to pick something up maybe that belonged to this homeless woman, 377 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 5: and the woman kind of strikes her from behind, possibly 378 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 5: hitting her in the back of the head. The driver 379 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 5: throws a couple kicks. She's able to get this homeless 380 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 5: woman backed off, and she was able to close the 381 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 5: doors on the homeless woman and keep her off the bus. 382 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 5: The LAPD says that that woman that attack the driver 383 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 5: may have been under the influence. Oh really, I know, 384 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 5: that's a shockers pretty nice, but and the driver was 385 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,719 Speaker 5: treated on scene and released. But yeah, nonetheless, this comes 386 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 5: and this is not part of the metro system. I 387 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 5: want to make that clear, but it still is public 388 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 5: transit in the LA area and it comes, as you mentioned, 389 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 5: just just days after that sick out. 390 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: Well, the homeless people are everywhere, So any kind of 391 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 2: mass transit, no matter what specific line it is or 392 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 2: what town it's in, is you got to deal with 393 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: the homeless people. I just it's unsafe to drive a 394 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 2: bus in this city and in this county. It just 395 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 2: is because there's too many crazy people that the government 396 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: doesn't want to round up and put away somewhere. 397 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: So who the hell would get on a bus. I'd 398 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: be terrified to get on a bus. 399 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 5: Well, it's getting to the point where even the drivers 400 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 5: apparently don't want to drive these buses now. I reached 401 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 5: out to Metro and they had released a statement last week. 402 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 5: They shared it with me this morning. We had our 403 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 5: hands tied for obvious reasons last week with the college protest, 404 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 5: but I had a chance to look at the statement 405 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 5: this morning, and it sounds like they are putting up barriers, 406 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 5: putting more security teams on buses, and they say they 407 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 5: are looking at a longer term plan which includes the 408 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 5: addition of even more dedicated transit security bus riding teams. 409 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 5: I think the question is will they be able to 410 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 5: do enough to keep these drivers even wanting to work. 411 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 5: I mean, at some point you got to wonder if 412 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 5: drivers are just gonna all out quit. ABC News reported 413 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 5: recently that crimes on MTA properties in LA increase by 414 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 5: sixty five percent since twenty twenty. Violent crimes between March 415 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 5: of last year and February of this year increased by 416 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 5: more than fifteen percent. An LA bus driver said that 417 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 5: machetes have been pulled, urine has been thrown on them, feces. 418 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 5: This was a quote given to ABC by a bus operator. 419 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 5: And we've seen some of these higher profile cases, including 420 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 5: that hijacking in March. 421 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: Because they let insane people in drug addicts wander the 422 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: streets and the only entertainment these people have is to 423 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: get on a bus and take. 424 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: A ride around all day. What else are they going 425 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: to do? You know. 426 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: Besides, even if they protect they can encase the bus 427 00:21:54,359 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: drivers in bulletproof iron containers, right cages. What are passengers 428 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 2: supposed to do because eventually these crazy people will just 429 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 2: start turning on the passengers. 430 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 5: So well, exactly, And we just saw that tragedy on 431 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 5: the metro line in Studio City, that security guard going home, 432 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 5: she gets stabbed in the neck, you know. So yeah, 433 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 5: that's a valid question, you know. Of course, the drivers 434 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 5: have a union backing them up. There's no writers' union 435 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 5: pushing for expanded safety for writers. And I can't speak 436 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 5: as much to the bus system, but I imagine it's similar 437 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 5: to the metro rail system. Where we get these high 438 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 5: profile crimes. Every single person we go and talk to 439 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 5: as soon as one of these happens, and you know 440 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 5: we've aired this on your show a million times, they 441 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 5: all say that they're worried to use the system. 442 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 2: Well, it's it's insanely dangerous. I mean, I just cannot 443 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: get over there's literally tens of thousands of mental patients 444 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 2: and drug addicts wandering around the streets and the only 445 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: way they can get around, even if they even if 446 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 2: they know what they're doing, I have a feeling they 447 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: probably just wander on the buses just at a boredom. 448 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: Right now they're in a trapped metal tube with a 449 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: crazy person or a drug addict who's on god knows 450 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 2: what and might be hallucinating. 451 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: I there's no reason to ever do that none, you know. 452 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 5: One of the one of the things the union representing 453 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 5: these drivers is asking for John and this is really telling, 454 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 5: especially when you see this this latest fight they were 455 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 5: they're calling for Metro to put an emergency door on 456 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 5: the left side of the bus so that the driver 457 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 5: can essentially get out without having to go through the 458 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 5: barrier that walk down that down staircase that all buses have, 459 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 5: so they're they're really trying to get the eject button 460 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 5: put in these things. 461 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: All right, very good, Blake, thanks for coming on. All right, 462 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 2: thanks John Blake, Charlie KFIE news. Another bus driver attacked 463 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 2: in Los Angeles. All okay, well, come back and finally 464 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: get to the story about the rich kid. 465 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: Another rich kid. 466 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 2: And he was one of the big organizers of the 467 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: Columbia protests for the terrorists Hamas and he's a terrorist 468 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: all by himself. Millionaire at the age of forty inherited money. 469 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 2: Another one of these guys. So we're in species. 470 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 471 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 4: six forty. 472 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 2: We've got Jackie Lacy, the former La County DA, coming 473 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: on after three o'clock. She's endorsing Nathan Hackman, she lost 474 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: to Gascone running for a third term. She wants Hawkman 475 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: to beat Gascone this November. Coming up at two o'clock 476 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 2: in just a few minutes, John Coopaul from the Howard 477 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: Jarvis Taxpayers Association. There is a huge case before the 478 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: California Supreme Court over a ballot initiative which could be 479 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 2: on the ballot this year. Can we vote to change 480 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: the law, and the public would have the final say 481 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 2: on state tax increases. The public, not the legislature or 482 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: not the governor. The public would decide whether we raise 483 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: our taxes. We'll give you all the details coming up 484 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: at two o'clock. So Columbia University, they had the big 485 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: pro terrorist Prohamas riots and one of the leaders is 486 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: a guy named James Carlson. You're just not going to 487 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 2: believe the story. They think thirty percent of the protesters 488 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: who stormed Hamilton Hall, the administration building were not Columbia students. 489 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: Thirty percent. One of them James Carlson, also known as 490 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 2: Cody Carlson, also known as Cody Tarlow. You know, when 491 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 2: you have three names, two aliases, you're usually trouble. He 492 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 2: is known as a longtime anarchist. According to police sources, 493 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: this guy's forty years old. He's He's got a three 494 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 2: thousand square foot, three story townhouse with four wood burning 495 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 2: fireplaces and a carrier ouse in Brooklyn, worth over two 496 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 2: point three million dollars. Where does he get his money? Well, 497 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,959 Speaker 2: his parents, Dick Tarlow and Sandy Carlson Tarlow, ran a 498 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: huge advertising business. They took in one hundred and sixty 499 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: five million dollars. It was called Carlson and Partners. They 500 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 2: sold it in two thousand and one and Dick Tarlow 501 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 2: and his and Sandy Tarlow did work for Revlon, Ralph 502 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 2: laren Queasin Arnt and Pottery Barn. In fact, Sandy the 503 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 2: wife was known as the public face of Ralph Louren. 504 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 2: Now she died over twenty years ago at the age 505 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 2: of fifty nine. Dick Tarlow died two years ago, left 506 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 2: an estate worth twenty million dollars. Obviously a lot of 507 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 2: this money went to his son and he grew up 508 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: in luxury all his life. Richard Carlson has two children, 509 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 2: one with some blonde bombshell model named Kim Hayman and 510 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: then his stepmother see Dick Tarlow. The dad had a 511 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 2: second wife, the Trophy Wife, and she is now dating 512 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 2: John Mellencamp. But this is the background that James Carlson 513 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 2: comes from. He's got a long track record of criminality. 514 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: In two thousand and five, he was charged in San 515 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: Francisco for his work with the West Coast Anti Capitalist 516 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: Mobilization and March against the g eight, where police officers 517 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 2: cracked up where protesters cracked a police officer's skull almost 518 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 2: killed him, and then they tried to set a police 519 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: car on fire. Now, in two thousand and five, get this, 520 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 2: he was charged with suspicion of attempted lynching, malicious mischief, 521 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: battery to a police officer, aggravated assault on a police 522 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: officer with a deadly weapon, willful resistance to a police 523 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,239 Speaker 2: officer that results in serious bodi of the injury. All 524 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 2: that no time in jail because the charges were dropped 525 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven. Remember I said this happened 526 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 2: in San Francisco. So he did all of that and 527 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: got away with it no consequences. 528 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 1: In fact, obviously he's lived a life of no consequences. 529 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: So of course, at the age of forty, he's in 530 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: the middle of this Columbia riot because that's what he does. Meantime, 531 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: his stepmom is running around with rock stars, and his 532 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: mom and dad are dead and left them a fortune. 533 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: What is it with rich kids who become anarchists, and 534 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: they become anarchists while they're still rich. It's not like 535 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: they renounced the wealthy lifestyle. Because I've read a number 536 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 2: of these a number of these characters their life story 537 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: at Columbia. They also charged Carlson with a hate crime 538 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: assault in petty larceny, he lit an Israeli supporter's flag 539 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 2: on fire, and. 540 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: He hit. 541 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 2: A twenty two year old in the face with a 542 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: rock during an April protest. He also was part of 543 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: a protest at blocked traffic at the Holland Tunnel, the 544 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 2: Brooklyn Bridge, the Manhattan Bridge, and the Williamsburg Bridge. Same guy, 545 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: forty years old. His townhouse is now where I mentioned. 546 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 2: He bought it for two point three it's now worth 547 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 2: three point four million dollars. And he's a professional anarchist 548 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: and he stirs up the college students. Ironically, his dad 549 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 2: was a supporter of the John Jay College of Criminal 550 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 2: Justice and he underwrote the John Jay Justice Awards. The 551 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: Carlson has no leaks to Columbia. He's an anarchist, kind 552 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: of a freelancer and joins whatever. The protest of the 553 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: day is that they think he's a leader. One of 554 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: the police offers said, I observed Carlson inside the location 555 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: with others, doors with shattered windows, doors off hinges, broken desks, 556 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 2: exits blockaded by piled up chairs, while he was in 557 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: his holding cell, he destroyed a camera that was pointed 558 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: at him. I know there's some psychological process going on here. Actually, 559 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: when I get some time, I want to scour the 560 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: internet and see any, if any research has been done 561 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: on these weird, wealthy kids, because they populate ANTIFA up 562 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 2: in Oregon. I remember when there was a nasty protest 563 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 2: crew in Echo Lake or what is it's Echo Park Lake, right, 564 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 2: Echo Park Lake? Remember that those two hundred homeless people, 565 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: and there was an activist group insisting that the homeless 566 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: people stay in Echo Park Lake, and they were terrorizing 567 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: the local neighbors. And among the terrorists was a kid 568 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: who lived in a wealthy Silver Lake mansion and his 569 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: dad was either a producer or director in Hollywood who 570 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 2: won an oscar. 571 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: So these are the most privileged. 572 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: And they go insane, they lose their minds, and they're 573 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 2: the heart of the anarchist movement because they've got so 574 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 2: much money they've inherited from their parents, or their parents 575 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: have them, their parents are subsidizing them. It's such a 576 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 2: great degree that they can afford to spend all day 577 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: plotting these public events. We come back, we're going to 578 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: talk with John Coopaul. The California Supreme Court is doing 579 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: a ruling very quickly. There is a proposed measure to 580 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: be on the ballot that would allow the public to 581 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: decide if state taxes would go up, rather than leave 582 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 2: it to the legislature and the governor. The legislature and 583 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: the governor would no longer have the ability to increase taxes. 584 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: You imagine this, and it would require statewide voter approval 585 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 2: for these state tax increases. John Coupaul is going to 586 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 2: explain the deal when we come back. 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