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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: we are back.

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Speaker 2: With Julie McFadden, the author of Nothing to Fear, Demystifying Death,

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Speaker 2: Demystifying Death, to Live more Fully. You can follow her

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Speaker 2: on social media at Hospice Nurse Julie. I want to

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Speaker 2: get back to some of the more of the biological

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Speaker 2: details of dying before we get into the otherworldly deathbed phenomena.

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Speaker 2: The death rattle. We hear that often when the breathing changes,

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Speaker 2: and it's described as a death rattle. What is that

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Speaker 2: death rattle?

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Speaker 3: Yes, the real name for that, the medical term would

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Speaker 3: be terminal secretions. But that sound that people hear, it

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Speaker 3: sounds like a rattle or a gurgle, and people really

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Speaker 3: hate it, and I get it, but the I think

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Speaker 3: it helps to educate about what it actually is. So

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Speaker 3: a lot of people think it's their loved one quote

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Speaker 3: unquote drowning, or its fluid coming from their lungs, but

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Speaker 3: it's not. It's so we create saliva in our mouths

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Speaker 3: twenty four to seven naturally, and then our body, without

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Speaker 3: us knowing, automatically will swallow it. Just like right now,

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Speaker 3: I just did it. And that all happens automatically. Towards

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Speaker 3: the end of life. Your body is still creating that

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Speaker 3: saliva to keep your mouth noise, but your brain is

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Speaker 3: not always telling you to swallow it, or the muscles

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Speaker 3: to swallow are really relaxed, so they're not swallowing. So

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Speaker 3: that little bit of saliva builds up in the person's

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Speaker 3: mouth and then their mouth breathing. Usually so because their

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Speaker 3: mouth breathing, that breath will go over the secretions and

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Speaker 3: cause a gurgle noise, and even a little bit of

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Speaker 3: secretions can make a really big noise. So I think

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Speaker 3: it's important to let people know what it truly is

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Speaker 3: so they don't have to be so afraid because it's

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Speaker 3: generally not disturbing the person who is dying, but the

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Speaker 3: sound is disturbing the people hearing it.

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Speaker 2: Does it Is it advisable to swab the inside of

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Speaker 2: the mouth or not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's certain things we could do, and if

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Speaker 3: we do do this, it's usually for the family, not

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Speaker 3: the patient, just because people don't like it so much.

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Speaker 3: So you can reposition the person. So I usually lift

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Speaker 3: the head of bed up a little bit, maybe to

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Speaker 3: thirty sixty degrees, just shifting your loved one can help.

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Speaker 3: Even turning them to the side so the secretions come

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Speaker 3: the secretions. That's usually the first thing we try to do.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's totally necessary because sometimes one it

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Speaker 3: doesn't work, and two then the person has a drying out,

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Speaker 3: But that's definitely something we still can do now in

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Speaker 3: the hospital and at home. Sometimes they'll get you a

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Speaker 3: suction machine, kind of like at the dentist where you

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Speaker 3: can kind of like suction things out of the knock.

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Speaker 3: That can be done, and they do it a lot

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Speaker 3: in the hospital just because we're taught to, but generally speaking,

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Speaker 3: we don't on hospice because doing that will actually create

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Speaker 3: more saliva, so it'll actually make it get worse. So

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Speaker 3: we don't always do that, but it's an option if

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Speaker 2: What is the way, okay, what is the silence scream

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Speaker 3: The silent scream? So to be honest, I actually don't

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Speaker 3: see this very much, but many of my followers would

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Speaker 3: write into me and say, I loved one and I

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Speaker 3: have seen it a few times, but it's not I

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Speaker 3: haven't seen it very frequently, but my followers would say,

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Speaker 3: you know, right before my loved one died and looked

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Speaker 3: like they let out, like their face went into like

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Speaker 3: of course we don't truly know, But how I describe

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Speaker 3: any kind of weird quote unquote weird thing you might see,

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Speaker 3: person you know, the essence of that person is kind

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Speaker 3: of not there anymore. This is if you can truly

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Speaker 3: just look at it as like a biology standpoint, This

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Speaker 3: body to like for as like a laboring process. I

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Speaker 3: But it's kind of like the body just doing things

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Speaker 3: before before the person dies or even while they're dying,

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Speaker 3: but doesn't necessarily mean anything, but because it's your loved one,

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Speaker 3: think it's because our muscles all relax and fully let

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Speaker 3: defecation and urination sometimes at death because the sphincter is

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Speaker 3: because it's like a full let go wow. But it

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Speaker 2: When I was a kid, I used to love making

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Speaker 2: faces in front of a mirror. So when I go,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to make a face guaranteed, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bryan.

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Speaker 2: Ryot The I remember seeing my my uncle in the

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Speaker 2: And is that what is referred to as is called

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Speaker 2: terminal restlessness.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so terminal restlessness, terminal agitation. It can vary as

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Speaker 3: They don't seem super disturbed by it. I usually kind

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Speaker 3: There's no like talking to them because they're not fully

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Speaker 3: So we kind of looked into assess the sea, is

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Speaker 3: I see terminal agitation a little more so sometimes, And

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Speaker 3: that's just really hard because basically it's like you have

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Speaker 3: You know, they want their loves to be awake, but

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Speaker 2: About maybe a week before my mother went into hospital.

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Speaker 2: apparently there is something called the rally. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if that's if this counts as the rally. But talk

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Speaker 2: to me more about the rally.

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Speaker 3: terminal lucidity and are the medical terms. And it happens

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Speaker 3: People don't realize this is the rally. That's why I

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Speaker 2: So we've got about three minutes here before the top

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Speaker 2: of the hour. I want to start talking about a

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Speaker 2: section in the book called the other worldly Beauty of

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Speaker 2: deathbed phenomena, and I want to share another one with you.

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Speaker 2: My mother in law past here at the house where

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking from in October of last year, and I mean,

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Speaker 2: she was in failing health, but when the end came,

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Speaker 2: it just landed on my plate. And she was looking

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Speaker 2: down at her plate watching this fairy. And then she said, oh,

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Speaker 2: she just passed away the fairy, meaning the fairy just died.

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Speaker 2: And maybe two weeks later, my mother in law was gone.

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Speaker 2: When people start to see things, and part of me

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Speaker 2: believe she actually saw a fairy from my mother, she

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Speaker 3: My aunt through it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it? I mean, can you time sort of?

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Speaker 2: Is there kind of a chronology when you start to

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Speaker 2: see things like that, it's only a matter of time

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Speaker 3: Yes, I mean this is also something that was so

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Speaker 3: fascinating to me. So this is the second most scene death.

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Speaker 3: The phenomena. It's called visioning. So people start seeing the unseen. Now,

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Speaker 3: it's usually dead, like you said, like dead relatives, people

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Speaker 3: who they liked. So not everyone likes their dead relatives,

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Speaker 3: so it's usually a dead relative they liked or loved,

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Speaker 3: dead relatives, dead pets, dead friends, children, sometimes deities, so

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Speaker 3: a god, angels, fairy, sometimes things like that like something

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Speaker 3: kind of mystical. And the crazy part to me that

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Speaker 3: I think is so crazy is that as a healthcare professional,

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Speaker 3: when someone starts telling me that they're seeing these things,

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Speaker 3: or their families reporting to me, hey, my dad just

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Speaker 3: saw his parents last night, right that to me, the

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Speaker 3: hospice nurse tells me this person will likely die like

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Speaker 3: two to four weeks from now, Like they it's a timeline.

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Speaker 3: It's it's part of a part of the timeline where

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