1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: So we all saw that video at the Los Angeles 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: fundraiser recently where Barack Obama had to escort Joe Biden 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: off the stage. Now, instead of just emitting the truth 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: that you know, Joe Biden is incognitive decline, something that 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: we all see as Americans when we watch him doddering 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: around on stages, or we watch him give press conferences 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: seemingly getting lost mid sentence, that vacant stare that he 8 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: gives us as if a you know, computer is quite 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: literally shutting off. 10 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: Instead of telling. 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: Us the truth, the White House and the media, they're 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: trying to gaslight us, I mean cream. Jean Pierre, a 13 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 1: White House press secretary, gave a press conference telling us 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: that these videos that we're saying are deceptively edited, despite 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: the fact that there's hundreds just like them. The media 16 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: is telling us that these are called cheap fakes, trying 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: to also lie to us and tell us that they're 18 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: deceptively edited. One, what does that tell us about the media? 19 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: And also is this going to work? Is this strategy 20 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: going to work with the American people? We're going to 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: dig into that and all things. Meet with Will Caine 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: from Fox News, you know him, he's a co host 23 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: of Fox and Friends Weekend. He's also the host of 24 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: the Will kin Show podcast. It's great, he's out every day. 25 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: You can check it out wherever you get podcasts, you 26 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: can find it. But we're going to get his broader 27 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: assessment on the media, is a strategy going to work? 28 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: And then also dig into a little bit about the debate. 29 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: What should you expect our Republicans are you know, are 30 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: we setting the bar too low? 31 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: Also, we're going to. 32 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: Get Will's take on the presidential election, where things stand 33 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: now and you know where's this all heading. Stay tuned 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: for a great and interesting conversation with my colleague and 35 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: friend Will Caine. Well, Will Kane, it's great to have 36 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: you on the show. I appreciate you making the time, 37 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: my friend. 38 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: Hey, Lisa, I'm super happy to be on your show. 39 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: So, you know what I wanted to get your take on. 40 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this today and I was on 41 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: Fox earlier and we were talking about it, like this 42 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: really grinds my gears. Well, they're like a lot of 43 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: things right now, to which I'm sure you feel the 44 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: same way. All Right, So Joe Biden's eighty one, he's 45 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: clearly in cognitive decline. But he would be a terrible 46 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: president even if you were thirty five years old. I mean, 47 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: is his age kind of being used as a cover 48 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: to some extent. 49 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: I don't know that it's being used as a cover, 50 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 3: and I don't think it is a B storyline. I 51 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: think it is topic A. I think this is a 52 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 3: massively important issue, Lisa. I mean, if the President of 53 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: the United States is of not sound mind or sound body, 54 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: he's not of his full mental capacity. That is a 55 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 3: problem for the United States of America. And it is 56 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 3: the lowest threshold that should be expected to be cleared. 57 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: It should be you know, competent. You know, that's a 58 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: little bit important to the qualifications of the leader of 59 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 3: the free world. And he's going to be He's eighty 60 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: one years old. He's signing up to do another four years. 61 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: He's in rapid decline. Anyone who's ever had a pet 62 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 3: has told you that the rate of decline, or for 63 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: that matter, a grandparent, is extremely fact in the last 64 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: six months of one's life. And so you have to 65 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 3: ask very legitimate questions, like, well, the President of the 66 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: United States live out his second term? Can he complete 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 3: the job? If he's alive during his second term. I 68 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: think these are topic A and I think they're of 69 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 3: extreme important to the United States of America. 70 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm trying to get to is 71 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: even before he was in mental decline. You know, former 72 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: Defense Secretary Robert Gates said that Joe Biden had gotten 73 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: every foreign policy issue wrong for decades, or you look 74 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: at Obama saying that don't underestimate Joe Biden's ability to 75 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: f things up, or even you know, when Obama was 76 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: in office as a Democrat, you know, that's when Russia 77 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: decided to annex Crimea. So I guess the only point 78 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: I'm making is that like the danger sure that we 79 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: were in as a country, I don't think is specific 80 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: to his age. I think that you know, even if Obama, 81 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: you know, Russia was doing what they're doing now to 82 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: some extent under Obama's time, or the issues that Joe 83 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: Biden is pushing right now are the same failure as 84 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: that we're seeing in states like California, you know what 85 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean. 86 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,160 Speaker 2: It's like, it's not just an age thing. 87 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: It's because Joe Biden is a terrible president, and he 88 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: would be if at eighty one or if you were 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: thirty five. 90 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 3: I agree with you eighty percent of the way. And 91 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 3: the statement that you said that I think I find 92 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: the most interesting is the problems that we're in is 93 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: a country aren't specific to his age, and that is 94 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: mostly true. I mean, you know, you could have an 95 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: ideological administration of extreme competence and still put your country 96 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 3: in extreme problems. And Joe Biden throughout his career has 97 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: been a poor leader, a poor judge of policy, and 98 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: not very smart, and that's independent of his age. But 99 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: I still think, and I'm not saying this as I 100 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: think it's not cheap again, I think it is story 101 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 3: a that you have to be present to do the job. 102 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: But here's why I only agree with you eighty percent 103 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: that the problems aren't specific to his age. If he's 104 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 3: not present, if he's not the one doing the job, 105 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 3: then we have very legitimate questions to ask about who 106 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: is leading the US. 107 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I see what you're saying. I like, 108 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: I guess my, you know, I guess too. 109 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: You know, Joe Biden has you know, been a prolific 110 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: liar and just a terrible human being throughout his entirety 111 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: of his career. You know, even when he was sen 112 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: a Judiciary chairman. He's overseen to the nastiest Supreme Supreme 113 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: Court confirmation hearings with Robert Burton Claire. I just think 114 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: he's a terrible guy, a terrible president, and sometimes the 115 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: age is sort of like an excuse for how awful 116 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: he is. Is my you know, only point with all that. 117 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: But but despite all that, we've got the media and 118 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: also the White House, I mean, Kareem Gene Pierre standing 119 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: there telling us that, you know, these video are deceptively 120 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: edited or I was saying, you know, Rolling Stone and 121 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: some of the media now were calling it cheap fakes, 122 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: these videos trying to tell us that, oh, no, you know, 123 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: it's not because he's you know, a senile, dottering old man. 124 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 2: The videos are just set. 125 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: In its insane. It's like straight out of nineteen eighty four. 126 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: And I know that we've said that on multiple occasions, 127 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 3: and we had that, you know, exposed beyond all doubts 128 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 3: and questions during COVID, But this is like one of 129 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: the most blatant examples I can think of where they're 130 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 3: telling you no, the light was red and we all 131 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 3: know that it was green. No, you know, up is 132 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 3: down and down is up. They're not only trying to 133 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: tell us that Joe Biden is solid and that it's 134 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 3: misinformation and cheap fakes for us to pretend that he's week. 135 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: They're also trying to play offense by accusing others of 136 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 3: the sins which they're guilty. They're running a counter offensive 137 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 3: saying that Donald Trump is feeble, that Donald Trump needs help, 138 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 3: ushered off of a stage, that Donald Trump is the 139 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 3: one losing his marbles. And I mean, it's just straight, 140 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 3: straight propaganda. This is straight you know, lies to our 141 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: face to create a false reality. It's insane. 142 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: Is it effective? I mean, how how you know how 143 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: much does propaganda work? 144 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: Do you think? 145 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: Well? Propaganda works, otherwise they wouldn't continue to do it. 146 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: It's the most powerful tool for authoritarian governments over the 147 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: past century. But back to this question of Joe Biden's 148 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 3: mental capacity, you know, I think it is the most 149 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 3: important thing, but I also think it's the most effective 150 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: thing for the non political person. Like the point that 151 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 3: you're making to me is that he'd be a bad 152 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 3: president even if you were of his full capacity. In correct, 153 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: I agree with you, But I think that you are 154 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: also and so am I a somewhat politically inclined person. 155 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: I think for the people that are out there just 156 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: watching and not inclined to party or to depth of 157 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: understanding on the news cycle that allow most of the 158 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: news to wash over them, I think it's a very 159 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: important issue and a very effective issue. The President of 160 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: the United States is stumbling into senility, and I don't 161 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: think in that instance that the propaganda will work. I 162 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: just think it's too obvious. It's a bad parlor trick 163 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: on you know, the corner of forty eighth Avenue in 164 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 3: Times Square. It's like, I can see your hand moving, 165 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 3: I know where the ball is, I know which shell. 166 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 3: It's like, why do you stick around and watch that one? 167 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: This guy's not even a good slide of hands. So yeah, 168 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: I don't think this one works. I think this is 169 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: bad propaganda. 170 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: What it's like that saying you don't don't peel my 171 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: leg and tell me it's raining, you know. I mean 172 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: we saw this during COVID too, where you know, basically 173 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: anything that you know the left and the media they 174 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: don't like, they label it as misinformation, disinformation, you know. 175 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: I mean we saw this about basically everything that was 176 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: true about COVID. You know, they lie to us and 177 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: told us otherwise. But yet, you know doctor Fauci, who 178 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: was the public face of our government's COVID response as 179 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: well as the one really pushing these policies and also 180 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: really censoring and shutting down any truth tellers that we're 181 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: out there. 182 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: He's out with the book now. 183 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: I mean that, can I be like any more of 184 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: a flagrant little finger to the lives that he destroyed 185 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: during COVID. 186 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: No, it couldn't. I'm going to tie these two things, 187 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: maybe three things together, the constant accusation of misinformation, the 188 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: story about COVID, and I want to analogize those two. 189 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 3: A good approaching decade of calling everything racist. So I 190 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 3: think that calling things racist Lisa has really lost a 191 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 3: lot of punch, a lot of weight. I mean, especially 192 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 3: I think with younger generations. I don't think it just 193 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 3: carries much anymore like it did in two thousand and sixteen, seventy, 194 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: in eighteen, it's like somebody calls something racist in everyone 195 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 3: else's eyes in the room roll. I think that's kind 196 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 3: of where we are with with COVID as well. It's like, 197 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 3: here's Anthony Fauci out here, to play the role of 198 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: hero and he's gonna get he's gonna get set it 199 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: on you know, CBS by Nate Burleson and Gail King 200 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 3: and everybody else's eyes will roll. I think that's also 201 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 3: where we are on misinformation, and that's probably why it 202 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 3: has to go by new names on sort of a 203 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 3: six month rolling basis. It goes from you know, disinformation 204 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 3: to misinformation, to deep fakes to cheap fakes, to try 205 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 3: to get some to make that drum resonate with the 206 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: audience because I think it's really we might already be there, 207 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: but it's approached the place where you call something misinformation 208 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: in everyone's eyes roll. 209 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, but yeah, but I've been I mean, 210 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess I always wrestle with you know, 211 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: as you mentioned before, like we're two people who, you know, 212 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 1: we follow the news because we like it, but also 213 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: because it's our job as well. And I'm just I 214 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: always kind of wrestle with you know, do we hold 215 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: these views or do we hold these observations of you know, 216 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: recognizing you know, the extent of the lies that we've 217 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: been told by the government and the media because of that, 218 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: or you know, is the rest of America a wake 219 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: as well. 220 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: I struggle with that as well. Really right, And I 221 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: think there's a lot of people that I use this 222 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 3: analogy on the wil Kane Show a lot. I think 223 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 3: of the news it's sort of like a river, and 224 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: if you let the river just wash over you, all 225 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: you do is really pick up the flotsam and the 226 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: jetsum of you know, little bits of things that are 227 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: repeated at the backyard barbecue. And I think that's where 228 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: terms like racist or misinformation gather weight. But if you 229 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: stick your rudder into the river at all and start 230 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: guiding the direction of your own ship and understanding the 231 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 3: deeper currents, wow, you're like, this is this is stupid, 232 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 3: this is silly, this is this is what they this 233 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 3: is the guy they canceled for me too. And I 234 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 3: just used that one example because I think about some 235 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 3: of my friends and I do struggle with what you're 236 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: talking about, because, hey, I don't want to be an 237 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: overly political person. I don't want to see everything through 238 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 3: a partisan lens, Lisa, but I definitely want to stick 239 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: my rudder into the river and understand the issues. And 240 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 3: I just hear more than one of my friends like 241 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: just just kind of reject the flotsam that washed over 242 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: them in the river. Like I was in a was 243 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 3: having lunch last week in New York when I'm in 244 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 3: New York on the weekends, and one of my friends 245 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: was like, we should really revisit all of the people 246 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 3: that were canceled during ME Too. And of course that's 247 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 3: not a rejection of the existence of sexual harassment or 248 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 3: any righteous examples within ME Too, but we can also 249 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 3: acknowledge it was like it was the Salem witch trial, 250 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: like he got out of hand and all kinds of 251 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: people lost their jobs and we just move on, and 252 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 3: why don't we stick our rudder in deeper and kind 253 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 3: of look into some of those stories, like, hey, does 254 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 3: this guy deserve to be canceled forever? And I think 255 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: the same thing applies to like, you know this stuff 256 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 3: about is Trump losing his marbles and you know, did 257 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 3: he need help off the stage. I think more and 258 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: more people understand I kind of have to stick my 259 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: rudder into the water, otherwise I'm just going to be 260 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 3: blown into into just a dam of bullshit on the 261 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 3: side of the river. 262 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: We've got more with will Kine, but first, since the 263 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: terror attacks on October seventh. Anti Semitism has been on 264 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: the rise, not just in Israel but here at home, 265 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: in the US and around the world. That's why I've 266 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: partnered with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, and 267 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: today I'm coming to you, my audience, to ask that 268 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: you stand with us and IFJ to raise your voice, 269 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: just as Oscar Schindler and Corey ten Boom did. This 270 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: pledge is asking Christians to stand with their Jewish brothers 271 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: and sisters, to never be silent, to show the Jewish 272 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: people that they are not alone. They have God and 273 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: Christians on their side. From the month of June, we 274 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: are asking Christians to sign this pledge, which will be 275 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: delivered to the President of Israel, to show that Christians 276 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: in America are not only standing in solidarity, but they're 277 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: speaking up to Let's take a stand today with the 278 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: International Fellowship of Christians and Jews so let the Jewish 279 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 1: people know that they're not alone. To sign the pledge, 280 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: go to support IFCJ dot org, Support IFCJ dot org 281 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: to take a stand today, you know, and I try 282 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: to sort of, you know, use this as well as 283 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: we head into the twenty twenty four election of you know, 284 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: just trying to figure out where the you know, public 285 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: sentiment truly lies, right because you know, I'm more partisan 286 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: than you in the sense of, you know, I come 287 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: from Republican politics, so you know, I wear that on 288 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: my sleeve. You're you're you're more you know, unbiased, kind 289 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: of in the middle of type deal. But I'm certainly 290 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, so I'm just always trying to figure out, 291 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, especially heading into this after the midterms and 292 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, thinking that a red wave was coming and 293 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: it was you know, basically you know, a ripple, and 294 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: trying to assess where the American people are in this 295 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: presidential election. I mean, look, Donald Trump's pulling better than 296 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 1: he did twenty sixteen, twenty twenty. You go to the 297 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: real clear Politics up polling right now in all seven 298 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: battleground states in a head to ad contest, he is up. 299 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: You know, so, look, things look good. What's sort of 300 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: your assessment on where this race stands today? 301 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 3: Well, first, I don't know that I consider myself someone 302 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: in the middle, But I also don't consider myself someone 303 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: anywhere on the political spectrum because I reject the political spectrum, 304 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: and that forces me to reject those political parties like 305 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 3: I am going to more often than not vote Republican 306 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 3: by a process of correlation and default. Like if I 307 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: if I think about each individual issue and where I 308 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: am on it, and I do I am somewhat ideological. 309 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 3: But what I'm getting at, Lisa is I think the 310 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 3: older that I've gotten at, I think two things have 311 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 3: happened for me. Number One, I'd like to think I 312 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: hope I've gained some humility, And I also hope I'd 313 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: like to think that's part of wisdom, that humility comes 314 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: from understanding in the past where I might have been wrong, 315 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 3: you know, and changing some positions. 316 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: You know. 317 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: In the past, I would have been much more willing 318 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 3: to say, you know, I'm on the right, or I'm 319 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 3: a libertarian, or I'm a conservative, and I would have 320 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: had really strong ideological backing for every single position or 321 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 3: label that was ready to be, you know, hoisted upon me. 322 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: But I do think over the past five to ten years, 323 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: and I think the emergence of Donald Trump has made 324 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: me reconsider the value of a strict ideology, you know, 325 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 3: And so I just want to be a little more 326 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 3: practical and understand human nature and where leaders fit into 327 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: human nature. So the all I'm getting at there is 328 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: why I struggle sometimes just like use shorthand for my 329 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: own belief, you know what I mean. But I don't 330 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 3: think that puts me in the middle, like I don't. 331 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: I don't ever consider myself like between left and right, 332 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: or and I try to be honest about my biases, 333 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: like I don't ever pretend to be unbiased. I just 334 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 3: want to let people know what my biases are. All 335 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 3: I'm getting at is I think in a wider spectrum 336 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: there might be a lot of people that agree with me, 337 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: because I don't think that modern American politics is like 338 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 3: a straight line spectrum between right and left, Republican and Democrat. 339 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 3: It just can't be anymore. So like how explain to 340 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 3: me free speech? Explain to me vaccine mandates. Explain to 341 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: me a whole host of issue that that fit into 342 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: the right left spectrum. They just don't anymore. Like, you know, 343 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 3: there was a time when the left was supposed to 344 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: be the champion of free speech and the right was 345 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: worried about offensive speech. That's totally obviously been flipped on 346 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: its head. You know, there was a time when the left, 347 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 3: like I believe in medical freedom, and then and then 348 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 3: the left believes in absolute mandates. So I just all 349 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: I'm getting at is I don't I don't know how 350 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: to describe my own politics. Yeah, pretty conservative. I used 351 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: to be more libertarian, but I don't know that That'll 352 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: leads to the question you asked me, like, where do 353 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: we stand? Where does the election stand? Man? I was 354 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: blown away by the midterm elections too so. And by the. 355 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 2: Way, in twenty twenty, yeah, I went to Yeah, I. 356 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 3: Went to a Trump rally in twenty twenty. It was 357 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 3: the first time I've been to a Trump rally, and 358 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 3: I was like, wow, I don't know how he loses. 359 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: And then twenty twenty happened. And then I look at 360 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 3: TV now and I see like throngs of crowds in 361 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 3: Newport Beach, California, and I'm like, wow, I don't know 362 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 3: how he loses, but I do have a little more humility. 363 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm glad you have, you know, humility. 364 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all you know, I admitted 365 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: when you know I got the midterms wrong. You know, 366 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: unfortunately we have government leaders like Fauci, who you know, 367 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: refused to do that when they were so definitive in 368 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: the policies they were pushing that destroyed the nation. 369 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 2: But I like what you said about sort of, you know. 370 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: The changing political landscape, because when you were talking about that, 371 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, I wonder how much of 372 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: that is due to Donald Trump, right, because he came 373 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: into the system in twenty sixteen, is just this outsider 374 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: and sort. 375 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 2: Of disrupted traditional conservative. 376 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: Ideology, you know, and and you saw sort of that 377 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: comment when he picks someone like Mike Pence sort of 378 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: a traditional conservative as is BP, but he was really 379 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: a disruptor when it came to you know, issues like 380 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: trade and you know, immigration and a variety of other issues. 381 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: So I guess how much of that sort of shifting 382 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: political landscape do you think is due to the disruption 383 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump sort of entering the political arena. 384 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: A ton a ton And I look at myself and 385 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 3: I find probably the twenty twelve version of me will 386 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: look at the twenty twenty four version of me and say, wow, 387 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 3: you've lost some principles. But I don't think that I 388 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 3: have lost some principles. I think the twenty twelve version 389 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 3: of me was too dedicated to some ideological ideas that 390 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: were divorced from reality. So to your point, Donald Trump 391 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 3: comes in and we have to reconsider that free trade 392 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 3: is the best policy in all situations if you're being 393 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 3: taken advantage of by the rules of your own game 394 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 3: by a state, theft and and teeter in China. Donald 395 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 3: Trump repositioned the Republican Party when it comes to trade 396 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: protectionism to unions in the United States of America, to 397 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 3: duvishness on foreign wars as opposed to a constant neo 398 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 3: con hawkishness. And this is what I if you think 399 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: about at leasta, okay, ideology. Political ideology is a relatively 400 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 3: recent phenomenon. It's about a century old, Okay. So I'm 401 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 3: reading this book right now called The Age of Revolutions, 402 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 3: and it's about from seventeen fifty to eighteen twenty, the 403 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: French Revolution, the American Revolution, but there are revolutions all 404 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 3: around the world. But this is really the formation of 405 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 3: the nation state beginning of history, and then political ideologies 406 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: follow along roughly a good one hundred years later after 407 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 3: the formation of the nation state. The point is what 408 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 3: led us before that, before were the last century practicality, leadership, 409 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: wisdom and understanding and trying to employ real, timeless principles 410 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: of prudence and justice. And I just think that when 411 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: I look at leadership now, and I do think Donald 412 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 3: Trump played a large role. And of course, anybody disagrees 413 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: with me, and anybody's gonna go, oh my god, I just 414 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 3: talking about the grab him by the crotch guy, and 415 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 3: he's the one forcing you to consider the qualities of 416 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: leadership and prudence and justice. And my answer to that 417 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 3: is yes, yes, because leaders are imperfect. Leaders don't shouldn't 418 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 3: fit into neat ideological boxes. We shouldn't stand on a 419 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 3: debate stage and go who's the most conservative, because that's 420 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: not how human nature works. That's not the nature of leadership. 421 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 3: You and I could pick the most conservative center in 422 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 3: the US right, and we could send him to the 423 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 3: White House, and that doesn't guarantee us anything about him 424 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 3: being a good leader and getting anything accomplished. You know. 425 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: And what's interesting too, is you know, I wonder I mean, look, 426 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: I think it's I would argue the left has clearly 427 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: gone off the deep end. And you can even see 428 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: former Democrats like Julian Michael's come out recently talking about 429 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: the state of California on how the left has sort 430 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: of left her behind and she stayed the same, but 431 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: you know, the left has gone crazy, and Elon Musk saying, 432 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, similar things to that. So how much of 433 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: that do you think is a product of Donald Trump 434 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: during this scene and sort of like forcing this you know, 435 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: political title wave and this massive, you know, tectonic shift 436 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: in politics, or do you think they were heading that 437 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: direction anyways? 438 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 3: I do think that Donald Trump is this is this 439 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 3: tectonic shift. I do. I think we're gonna write books 440 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 3: about Donald Trump for half a century, and hopefully they're 441 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 3: positive books. You know what I mean by that is 442 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 3: hopefully the impact on history is a is a positive one. 443 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 3: But I think that it's so crazy to think that, 444 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: you know, Barack Obama was quite possibly the most ideological 445 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: president that we have had. I'm just sitting here racking 446 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 3: my brain to go through history because I don't think 447 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: that Linda Baines Johnson, even with the Great Society, was 448 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 3: quite as ideologically as far to the left. I think 449 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: he was more of a narcissist and you know, sheer 450 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 3: political creature. So maybe since Franklin Donald Roosevelt, that Barack 451 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 3: Obama's probably the most ideological president in that time frame, 452 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 3: and then Donald Trump comes along. Despite the left framing 453 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 3: everything is far right, far right, and that's one of 454 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 3: their current catchphrases, everything is far right. He largely rejects 455 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 3: political ideology. He largely rejects any sense. In fact, some 456 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: of my very good friends they didn't like Donald Trump 457 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 3: at the beginning because they thought he wasn't a conservative. 458 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 3: Remember that conversation said that was a real y. He's 459 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 3: not a conservative. And the truth is, I mean, I 460 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 3: think he is instinctually somewhat conservative, but he kind of says, 461 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 3: I just want to be common sense and practical, you know. 462 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 3: And the point of this isn't to be to totally 463 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 3: isolate yourself from principles. That's not I think the lesson, 464 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 3: because principles are part of wisdom in prudence, and the 465 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: left has totally divorced itself from any type of principle, 466 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: and it considers it's it's north star largely abstract terms 467 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:26,360 Speaker 3: like you know, equalities now, equity, justice, and those are 468 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: all things dictated by the popular opinion, the mob. And 469 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 3: so I think the point is we can't lurch in 470 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 3: the direction of populism defined by what is popular and 471 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 3: divorce yourself from principles. But I also think we need 472 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 3: to be careful about replacing, how about this religion with 473 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: political ideology. I think that's been a temptation on the 474 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 3: left and on the right, with Marxism and with maybe 475 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 3: even libertarianism, to replace the role of faith in life 476 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 3: with political ideology. 477 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: Now that we're talking and listening to what you have 478 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: to say, which is really interesting, getting me thinking. You know, 479 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: I do think Donald Trump is principled. I just think 480 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: his principles don't fall in like a neat political spectrum 481 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: as you were kind of laying out, even you know, 482 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: with your beliefs, which I think is kind of where 483 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: more Americans stand. You know, I'm certainly further to the right. 484 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: I am, you know, honest about that. It's you know, 485 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: what I've done for a living. It's just what I believe. 486 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: Uh But you know, so I think he is principal. 487 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it doesn't kind of like neatly 488 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: align with what we have sort of traditionally have looked 489 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: at as you know, Democrat or Republican beliefs, which is 490 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: you know interesting, how do you think you know, we 491 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: watched the New York trial with Donald Trump and and 492 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: sort of what he was put through. We're obviously awaiting 493 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: sentencing in July next month here coming up very soon. Actually, uh, 494 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: how do you think this trial plays out politically? And 495 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: sort of what are you expecting from the sentencing. 496 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 3: That's the hardest one. Back to our analogy about the 497 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: river and whether or not it washes over people or 498 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 3: they dig their rudder in. I think this is one 499 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: where I have a little less faith than people willing 500 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 3: to dig in. I think the left made a calculated 501 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 3: gamble to come away from this trial with a bumper 502 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 3: sticker slogan of convicted felon and they got it. They 503 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: got that, and I do think that will affect a 504 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 3: lot of people. I did see a poll this week, 505 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 3: Lisa that showed independence recently had swung towards Joe Biden. 506 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: There's so many different poles out and you can parse 507 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 3: them so many different ways. But that was a little 508 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: concerning to me when I saw that, because elections do 509 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 3: come down too independence in a couple of different states. 510 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 3: And if they sentenced Donald Trump to something, I think 511 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: if they sentenced into something visual like, surely they would 512 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 3: never put him in jail, you know, But if they did, 513 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 3: I think it would swing back the other way. I 514 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 3: think that would be too much. I think it would be 515 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 3: too obvious. I think they got their bumper sticker slogan 516 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: and they should probably go to battle with it, and 517 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 3: they will. That's what you will hear next week at 518 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 3: the presidential debate. By the way, Lisa, on that front, 519 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 3: I had on the Will Kine Show this week Senator 520 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 3: Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma. I find Senator Mullen pretty 521 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 3: interesting guy, pretty handed, kind of a cowboy, a wrestlerris 522 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 3: from eastern Oklahoma. And I asked him, do you think 523 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: Joe Biden will be the nominee? And I kind of 524 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 3: thought he'd say one hundred percent. 525 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 2: So I was gonna ask you that, but keep going. 526 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: It's interesting listening. 527 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he'd say one hundred percent because at 528 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: this point you would think stability would be your your 529 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 3: best course. Well, I think his name is doctor Alan Lickman, 530 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 3: who's got every presidential election rights since nineteen eighty four. 531 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 3: He predicts it will be Joe Biden, and Joe Biden 532 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: will win. And the reason that he predicts Joe Biden 533 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: will win is because of stability. Unless something happens, it's 534 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 3: a huge advantage for the incumbent. That's something could be war, 535 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 3: it could be a terror rist attack, it could be 536 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 3: a stock market crash and an economic recession. But without 537 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 3: that stability advantages Joe Biden. So his point of view 538 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 3: is like, then therefore you would never replace Joe Biden. Well, 539 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 3: here's what Mullen said, fifty to fifty, they replaced Joe Biden. 540 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 3: I thought, wow, fifty to fifty, and he said, well, 541 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 3: let's just walk through this together, will He goes, First 542 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 3: of all, when the classified Dodgument's investigation was put together 543 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 3: and all the different leads from law enforcement and then 544 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 3: subsequently the DOJ, the special prosecutor that Joe Biden's mental 545 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 3: competency was a question, right, And we now know the 546 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 3: Biden administration has tried to classify Robert Hur's deposition where 547 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 3: Joe Biden was slipping up and couldn't remember the date 548 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 3: of the year of Hunters of bo Biden's death, couldn't 549 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 3: remember the years he was vice president. But Mullen said, 550 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 3: for that to even come out is pretty shocking. It 551 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: doesn't need to come out in that investigation it's not 552 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: germane to come out. So he thought that's eye opening, 553 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 3: that's eyebrow raising for that to even come out. Second, 554 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: he says, what's the last time you saw a presidential 555 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 3: debate before either party's convention for the president, And he's right. 556 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 3: I think it's like they're always in the fall, you know, 557 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: three debates in the fall from like September through October, 558 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 3: and we're having one in June. Was good debate. Next 559 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 3: week we don't even had the Democrat or the Republican convention. 560 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 3: And his theory is we're going to see how he 561 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 3: does next week, and if he lays an egg. If 562 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 3: Joe Biden lays an egg, you put into place the 563 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 3: groundwork that you sow the field to begin to take 564 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 3: this to the delegates in the convention and replace Joe 565 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: Biden got. 566 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: A quick commercial break more with Wilcine. So I worry 567 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: with the debate that Republicans are setting the bar too 568 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: low for Joe Biden. And so basically all he has 569 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: to do is not drilling himself to seed that bar. 570 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: Uh. 571 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: You know, because you look at the fact that there's 572 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: no live audience, which helps Joe Biden. You know, I 573 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't say it hurts Donald Trump, but you know, he 574 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: feeds off of a crowd in a way that Joe 575 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: Biden does not. You've got two liberal anchors with Jake 576 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: Tapper and Dana Bash, and then they can also mute 577 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: the mics as well, and so you know, clearly the 578 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: questions are probably going to be more liberal and you know, 579 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: more anti Trump, and then they have the ability to 580 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: cut the mics when needed and when wanted. So I mean, 581 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: is it a mistake then to sort of set the 582 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: bar too low? And do you agree with that assessment 583 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: that the bar has been set too low? 584 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 3: Well, I don't know what we I mean, how do 585 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 3: you set the bar? Like, how are republic quote unquote 586 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 3: Republicans are anybody if that matter, setting the bar by 587 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 3: showing videos of Joe Biden being led around by Georgia 588 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 3: Maloney or Barack Obama or stumbling through the teleprompter. I mean, 589 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 3: that just is what it is, Like, It's not a 590 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: political play, It's just it is what it is. That's 591 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 3: who the president of the United States. That's his condition. 592 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: So I don't know what we could have done about that, 593 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 3: but yeah, I do think it's possible he exceeds it. 594 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: I mean, he kind of did at State of the Union. 595 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: He did a State of the Union. You know, he 596 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: did last last four years ago in the debates. He 597 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 3: did then as well. So he can get up how 598 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 3: or why. I think it is a very legitimate conversation, 599 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 3: but he can get up for it. And then if 600 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 3: that's the case, yeah, maybe the then it's uh, this 601 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 3: isn't the This isn't the set the stage for him 602 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 3: to be replaced. By the way Mullen gave a name, 603 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: he's thinks he thinks that you know, Gavin Newsom and 604 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, He's like, they're not gonna pull any better 605 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 3: than Joe Biden. And then and the name that he 606 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 3: gave me was one I had not heard before, he 607 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 3: said House Minority Leader Hakim Jefferies. 608 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: Interesting. See, I've been trying to make the case when 609 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: I'm on TV. 610 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: You know, one, it's not just the ageing he'd be 611 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: a terrible president regardless of his age. And then secondly, 612 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: it's also just the failure of Democrat policy, as I mean, 613 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: you look at California, you know, some of the highest taxes, 614 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: yet you know they have a multi billion dollar budget deficit, 615 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: or the fact that they have the highest unemployment in 616 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: the nation, or you know, they spend so much on homelessness, 617 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: yet they have one of the worst homeless parts. 618 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: You know. 619 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: It's like it's like the policies at large that Democrats 620 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: push are what is failing the nation. It's not just 621 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, Joe Biden Earth's age, but uh, you know, 622 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: but you know, but I want him to be the nominee, right, 623 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: so let's hope that it's you know, Trump wins, but 624 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: Joe Biden doesn't fall in his face and doesn't roll 625 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: because I don't want him to be swapped out personally. 626 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: So I wanted to switch gears slightly into the world 627 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: of sports. 628 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 2: Briefly. 629 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: I did tweet that I wish we could go back 630 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: to not talking about the w NBA, but it is 631 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: permanent to a degree, so I kind of because it 632 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: just seems so spoil I mean, I guess, you know, 633 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm viewing it from a different lens, 634 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: just because I've never really liked a WNBA. But why 635 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: do you think Caitlin Clark is on the receiving end 636 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: of so much hatred it seems, or is. 637 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: She jealousy, pettiness, racism, a combination of all of those things. 638 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 3: Kaitlin Clark is literally saving the WNBA. The WNBA is 639 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 3: not popular. Virtually no one watches it, Virtually no one 640 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 3: goes to the games. It's subsidized by the NBA. It's 641 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 3: an annual money loser. And here comes somebody that brings 642 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 3: with them literally millions of viewers, got to expand stadium 643 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 3: capacity for new butts and seats. All of a sudden, 644 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 3: her debut, three million people watch when she's on TV 645 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 3: versus when she's not on TV. The difference is in 646 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 3: the hundreds of thousands. And she promises to make this 647 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 3: league something that's actually profitable, which would bleed off on 648 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 3: anybody that works for that league, including the other players. 649 00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 3: But there's so much pettiness, jealousy and racism that they can't. 650 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 3: They have to look the gift horse in the mouth, 651 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 3: and even if they see, you know, no soldiers inside 652 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 3: the trojan horse, they they will reject the gift. They're 653 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 3: rejecting the gift. Now here's the funny thing. It may 654 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 3: be something that showers gifts upon them anyway. So they 655 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 3: don't want the face of their league to be this 656 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 3: little straight white girl who played at Iowa. That's the truth, 657 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 3: that's the bottom line. They don't they begrudge her the 658 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 3: attention that she's getting. And you know, to some extent, 659 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 3: there's some human nature, like the worst of human nature, 660 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 3: that makes it all understandable for all of us. We've 661 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 3: been toiling in this league for a decade. I've been 662 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 3: doing this and I'm really good, and now all of 663 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 3: a sudden, she comes in. She gets all this attention. Yes, 664 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 3: and she brings all of these riches with her as 665 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 3: well to you. And here's how it may play out 666 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 3: for them anyway, Lisa. It's turning into like wwe they're 667 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,319 Speaker 3: all the heel and she's the baby. Like people are 668 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 3: going to watch to see her be the hero and 669 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 3: them be the villain, and they're willingly leaning into these roles. 670 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 3: But just know who you are. You're the villain. But 671 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 3: it's almost like there's nothing you can do to keep 672 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark from grabbing people's attention, attention which did not 673 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 3: exist before for the WNBA. 674 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: Well, and I ask you this because you're, you know, 675 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: a sports guy with your history at ESPN, and you 676 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: know there's been a lot of videos of her kind 677 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: of getting ruffed up. So I'm not the biggest I 678 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 1: grew up watching hockey games and like going to like, 679 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: you know, football games and whatnot. But I'm not the 680 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: biggest basketball person. How normal is that for a rookie 681 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: to get ruffed up like that? Or is this sort 682 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: of on another level? 683 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 3: I think it's on another level. Some of it's normal, 684 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 3: I mean, if we're being fair, and some of it 685 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 3: would be normal for somebody that's getting this much attention. 686 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 3: It's like, let's put her back in her place and 687 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 3: show her she's still a rookie, right, But I think 688 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 3: it's definitely another level. And then I think even more 689 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 3: so than the physical play, I think it's the way 690 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 3: they talk about her. You know, even when she was 691 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 3: still at Iowa, there was people like Cheryl Swoops who 692 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,919 Speaker 3: rejected her greatness. And I don't know if Cherrel Seuss 693 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 3: was intentionally lying or just ignorant about a lot of 694 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 3: little stuff like how many years Kaitlyn Clark could play 695 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 3: to Iowa, how many points she had scored, whether or 696 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 3: not she'd haud of COVID year. All these different things 697 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 3: kind of undercut what she'd accomplished. And the previous scoring 698 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 3: leader said, I'll still be the scoring leader, meaning in 699 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 3: the record books, why why do you? Why do you 700 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 3: deny what Caitlyn accomplished? And then she arrives in the 701 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,439 Speaker 3: NBA WNBA and you get sort of the same kind 702 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 3: of talk, just kind of dismissing her. I think that's 703 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 3: more revealing than the hard. 704 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: Fouls, although I do respect hersonacity and I respect the 705 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 1: way she's here. I mean, she's clearly a class act, 706 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,439 Speaker 1: which is, you know, difficult when you literally have sharp 707 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: elbows and you know, coming into your direction literally and figuratively. 708 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: So Will Kine always a pleasure to talk to you. 709 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 1: Anything else you'd like to leave us with before we go, Yeah. 710 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 3: I would love for you guys check out the Willkine Show. 711 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 3: It's we stream lives every day Lisa at Foxnews dot com, 712 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 3: Fox YouTube, Fox Facebook twelve o'clock Eastern, but it's always 713 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 3: available on podcasts too. I know you have a huge 714 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 3: podcast audience, and I would love them to subscribe to 715 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 3: our show as well well at Spotify or Apple. We'll 716 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,720 Speaker 3: try to have a good time over there and maybe 717 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 3: get informed as well. But I really appreciate it on 718 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 3: your show Lisa, why. 719 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: I always love seeing you on you know one when 720 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 1: you're on Fox and Friends, but when you get a 721 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: guest host, I think you ask really really smart questions 722 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: and always make really smart points. So everybody co check 723 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 1: out the Will Kine Show and also check out Will 724 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 1: on the weekends on Fox and Friends. 725 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 2: Will really appreciate you. Making the time means a lot. 726 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Lisa. 727 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: That was Willkine, co host of Fox and Friends weekend 728 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: of the host of The Will kin Show. You can 729 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,759 Speaker 1: find it wherever you get your podcasts. A great guy, 730 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: always an interesting guy. I always makes smart points. Appreciate 731 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: him for taking the time to come on the show. 732 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday, 733 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. Also want to 734 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: thank John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together.