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Good true, 10 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: we have more Cardi B with the Cardi B again there, Michael, 11 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: what are you? Welcome to the Armstrong and get a 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: show the most excellent Mike demonus congressional reporter covering the 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: House of Representatives for the Washington Post. Mike has joined 14 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: us to discuss Ariana Grande pulling out of the Grammy telecast. 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: I didn't hear that. I'm kidding, Mike. I just wanted 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: to slip that in briefly. How are you, sir? Before 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: were going forward? Devastay didn't know about Ariana ground before 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: we go forward. She's got the number one chief is 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: investigating her, he says, desperation because she got that tattoo 20 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: that turned out to be Korean barbecue. No, it's just 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,279 Speaker 1: an argument over what song would be sung. Uh. Speaking 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: of singing songs, though, we'll be singing the song of 23 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: investigations for quite some time. Mike as the gosh, how 24 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:28,759 Speaker 1: many investigations of the president are about to get started? Well, 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: it depends on how you define of the president. If 26 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: you include you know, the business, the campaign, and the 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: the administration, the agencies. I mean, I couldn't begin to 28 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: give you a uh a number, but just keep in 29 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: mind there's about twenty standing House committees and almost all 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: of those are are going to have some piece of that. 31 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: You're going to have investigations soap, and most of them 32 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: are going to be into the administration and agencies and 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: things that they're doing. But you know, the Intelligence Committee, 34 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: the Oversight Committee, the Financial Services Committee, UM, are all 35 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: looking at the business and looking at the president in 36 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: various aspects of his personal dealings. Um. It's it's a lot, 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. Well, so Cheff, the chairman of 38 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 1: the Intelligence Committee, he laid out a five point investigation 39 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: that many set felt was broader than even previously expected, 40 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: and it was suspected to be pretty broad. So what 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: are what are what are the five points? Roughly? Well, 42 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: I mean in the broadest terms, he says that he's 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: the Intelligence Committee is gonna look at whether the president 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: is compromised in some way due to his business entanglements abroad. Uh. 45 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: You know this is you know, certainly larger than what 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: the Intelligence Committee under Republican majority was looking at, which 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: was very narrowly focused on the question of Rosan collision. 48 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: And you know, crafts or frustrated throughout um the past 49 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: two years that you know, they were not that Chairman 50 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: Nuns was not following leads. Now there's no telling how 51 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: broad Adam Schiff is going to sort of cast his 52 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: net here. Can he do whatever he wants? I remember 53 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: Cummings on on the Oversight Committee when he was on 54 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: sixty Minutes the other night, he said, we can investigate anything. Uh. Well, 55 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: the Oversight Committee does statutorily have extremely broad jurisdiction. The 56 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: Intelligence Committee has a narrower jurisdiction, you know, relating to 57 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: the activity of the intelligence community. Well, I guess my 58 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: question is do you have to have a certain amount 59 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: like you know, the police have to have they have 60 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: to get a warrant and show probable cause and all 61 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: this sort of stuff before or can can he just 62 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: go down any road he wants because we think there 63 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: may have been something broadly with Russia. You're you know, 64 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: the guardrails are twofold. You know that some of these 65 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: committees do have statutory jurisdiction that they've got a respect 66 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: they can't you know sort of you know, like the 67 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Foreign Affairs Committee can't go look at the Department Hope 68 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: Land Security because it's just not in their portfolio. But 69 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: you know, the more important guard rail for these committees 70 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: is just politics and whether you know, there's a perception 71 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: that they're overreaching, and whether they have the support of 72 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: their party leadership and the members the majority members of 73 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: the committee. But as long as these chairmen have that, 74 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: they have incredible power to go, uh, find out what 75 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: they want to find out and you know, subpoena potentially 76 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: who they want a subpoena, or invite for hearings, who 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: they want to invite and uh, you know, and that's 78 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: why the President has been so outspoken in calling this 79 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: presidential harassment and which hunt and so on and so forth, 80 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: because the only real um thing limiting this, you know, 81 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: his exposure at this point is public sentiment that Democrats 82 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: are going too far, and if you can create that sentiment, 83 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: maybe that can place some some limits on what Democrats 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: they're willing to do. But there's no sign that that 85 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: there at that point. At this point, well, yeah, how 86 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: it plays out politically is a really interesting question, and 87 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: the you know, multi billion trillion dollar question, because if 88 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: there's a perception that a lot that comes out as 89 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: quote unquote fake news, I mean, that's just it won't 90 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: register with Trump supporters. Mike de Bonus of the Washington 91 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: Post is online. I also understand that Ways and means 92 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: is um. You know, I don't mean this prejudicially, but 93 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: they're trying to cook up a pretext for demanding the 94 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: president's tax returns. Well, I did. What's going on is 95 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: let's cooking up a pretext to sort of welighing down 96 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: a foundation, uh for potential potato. Yeah, well, I mean, 97 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: you know, within there there is there is a federal 98 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: statute that's there's the chairman of the Ways and Music Committee. 99 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: You can get any tax with or any want. Um. 100 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: He can publicize it, but he can get in and 101 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: look at it. Oh my god, do you think it 102 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: would leak. I mean, you know, I don't want to 103 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: take these things lately, but you know, you know, you 104 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: know my experience, you know, congressional investigators, you take you know, 105 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: there these things seriously. Um. I I do think that, um. 106 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: You know, obviously they want the tax returns, and they 107 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: want to do it in a way that, um, you know, 108 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: to the greatest extent possible, is rooted in a legitimate 109 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: oversight interest. And that's the position that the Democrats have taken. Now, 110 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: the President isn't going to see it that way, no 111 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: matter what. The President's offenders aren't going to see it 112 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: that way. Um, And I think that they're but Democrats 113 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: are being very careful to try and create the impression 114 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: that this is of the legitimate oversight activity and not 115 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: a political attack on on the president. Yeah, if you're 116 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: ready about that. It's gonna come down to the politics 117 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: of it. I think, unless there's some great bombshells smoking 118 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: guns somewhere, it's gonna be the politics whether you think 119 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: this is appropriate. And the reason I brought up the 120 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: probable cause aspect of it is how much probable cause 121 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: do you need to have to think there's something fishy 122 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: with Russia. So we're gonna look into every aspect of 123 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: your life and trying time Russia. Could we in a 124 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: different political, more polarized time if Republicans that had had 125 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: the power at the time, could they have said Barack 126 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: Obama with that Muslim sounded name and he grew up 127 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: over there and the speech in Cairo and his soft 128 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: deal with Iran, we need to look into his background 129 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: and tore into every aspect of his life because they 130 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: believe there has to be there has to be some 131 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 1: compromising thing with him in Muslims or Middle East or something. 132 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: Couldn't that happen? And I'm worried about us entering an 133 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: era where every president is under endless investigation by the 134 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: opposing party if they have the gavel. Sure, and I 135 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: think you know, you're right to have that concern. I 136 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: think that certainly if you asked Obama, he would feel 137 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: that he would subject to some uh investigations. He didn't 138 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: feel we're warranted or his administration anyway. I think him 139 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: he personally was not um you know, but listen, worried. 140 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: This is a political This is a political system, man. 141 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: I think anybody who tries to pretend that that politics 142 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: are going to be kept out of it as kidding themselves. 143 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: I mean, and you know that that's why, you know, 144 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: the card rails on this process are essentially political. You 145 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: have to feel like you are you are have it, 146 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: have the support of the public, have the support of 147 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: your own party, your leadership, your your electoral base when 148 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: you start these things, and you have to feel like 149 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: you're gaining political advantage as you do it. And what 150 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: if that is not the case, you know you'll you'll 151 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: see Democrats abandoned these things. Uh, you know certainly, you know, 152 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: Republicans fault they had political advantage when they were looking 153 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: at you know, you had multiple different committees looking at 154 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: the Benghazi situation. You had you know them working at 155 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: the the I R. S UH targeting allegations. You know 156 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: that that that's what drives these things. And you know 157 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: this is not a court of law. This is this 158 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: is the you know, the House of Representatives. This is 159 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: the you know, the the you know, the hothouse of 160 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: democracy and people bond to there, you know, political right 161 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: and and well said, I think it's safe to say 162 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: the dusts from all of these the dust from mologies investigations, 163 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: will be swirling around us for the next couple of 164 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: years at least. Mike Demonus of the Washington Post covers Congress. Mike, 165 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: we sure appreciate the time. Well done, good to talk 166 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: to you. Thanks. I just don't see how and if 167 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: we have this political mood going on. The Barack Obama situation, 168 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: that was a beautiful example. There was no birth certificate. 169 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: Dad's from Kenya. It's just all pretty fishy, and you 170 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: go down every road of his life looking for evidence 171 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: of that. I want to see the college transcript, so 172 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: I want to see the college application. What is he hiding? 173 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: I want to see who paid every dollar that went 174 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: to his education? And you come up with something for 175 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: every president. What's coming up your news, Marshall? Ellie Elizabeth Warre, 176 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: an American Indian apology tour continues. The US Venezuela's standoff 177 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: is ramping up and tracking the orbiting test roadster alright 178 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: minutes from now. My kids ask me about that all 179 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: the time. I'm glad that's coming up in the news. 180 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: How's that car doing enough space? You are listening to 181 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: the arms Strong and Getty show. 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