Speaker 1: Really now, Really, really.
Speaker 2: Now really Hello and welcome to this episode of Really
Speaker 2: No Really with Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden. The number
Speaker 2: one podcast in America would really enjoy this podcast if
Speaker 2: they even knew it existed. On today's episode, you'll learn
Speaker 2: about some of the most offbeat and dangerous jobs in
Speaker 2: the world from the people who actually do them, and
Speaker 2: what makes anyone take those jobs. You'll also learn why
Speaker 2: would peckers peck, if it's possible to hold an alligator's
Speaker 2: mouth open, and what a dangus is. Plus what is
Speaker 2: Jason's favorite Seinfeld bit and what is the huge surprise
Speaker 2: that Peter has arranged for his pal. Now Here are
Speaker 2: your hosts, who also consider themselves off beaten, dangerous. Jason
Speaker 2: Alexander and Peter Tilden.
Speaker 1: Hello everybody.
Speaker 3: Once again, I remain any Jason Alexander here with my
Speaker 3: the boxer. Peter Tilton came in. Yeah, yes, and this
Speaker 3: is the by the way, the lord you've come to
Speaker 3: know in love calls really No Really.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because when we started this, however, many
Speaker 1: episodes ago, we were best friends and I used to
Speaker 1: push that Now it's really diminishing it's diminishing with everybody.
Speaker 1: I never said best friend. And you know why, because
Speaker 1: you're a coward. You wouldn't admit that we're best friends
Speaker 1: because you would alienate. You want to alienate my other
Speaker 1: I knew us. That's right. How many other friends do
Speaker 1: you have to alien?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 1: What are we three? When you're when you're on the playground,
Speaker 1: you have a best friend? Oh? Okay, that hurt? What
Speaker 1: who is I'm not looking at camera saying now the
Speaker 1: humor is not humorous anymore. It's serious. Le's to move on.
Speaker 1: We're here in Las Vegas and looks like we spent money.
Speaker 3: Looks and this morning I went in first thing because
Speaker 3: there's a fabulous coffee you never let go of and
Speaker 3: hid myself a beautiful cappuccino. I put it down, looked
Speaker 3: just like this. I put it down. I went out
Speaker 3: to use the restroom. My cappuccino is gone. I'm looking around.
Speaker 3: I'm looking around, and you notice there's a cap right
Speaker 3: over there in front of me. I can laugh and
Speaker 3: you're a bathe what's in that? You know what's in that?
Speaker 1: Peter? You're urinating a lot more than you said. Can
Speaker 1: we get into the episode?
Speaker 3: Stop clowning around. There's your segue. There's your segue, because
Speaker 3: today what we're talking about. We started to do some
Speaker 3: research on the world's most dangerous jobs, and one of
Speaker 3: the number one, if not the number one, and a
Speaker 3: lot of the rundowns on it was human canniball. And
Speaker 3: I called Peter and I said, Peter, you know what
Speaker 3: the most dangerous job is. I don't know how we're
Speaker 3: going to do this. It's being a human cannibal. And
Speaker 3: Peter said, one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: Uran cannibal. And I said, what do you mean, best friend?
Speaker 1: And I said really, no, really, so you will get
Speaker 1: to meet if you've never seen somebody who gets shot
Speaker 1: out of a cannon at seventy to seventy five miles
Speaker 1: per hour goes over two hundred feet yeah, I think
Speaker 1: one of the highest heights that have been shout seventy
Speaker 1: five feet I think seventy five feet up two hundred
Speaker 1: feet out. But I think our guy goes about thirty
Speaker 1: thirty five feet up. But what's interesting about this? Oh, then,
Speaker 1: really we didn't get the guy. I think that guy,
Speaker 1: I think I think the human hanniball first entered the
Speaker 1: public consciousness in the nineteenth century days in eighteen seventy one,
Speaker 1: I'm an english Man named George Farini. Can you imagine?
Speaker 1: Other people are working on other stuff and he's trying
Speaker 1: to shoot people. He's trying to come up with a car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you work? What's your husband George working on
Speaker 1: shooting people out of the canters? It's trying to fly
Speaker 1: And don't tell the cousins toy, you're okay. So George
Speaker 1: Rereene developed the mechanism he called a projector, made out
Speaker 1: of heavy springs Indian rubber. It was simply a platform
Speaker 1: with springs. Looked nothing like a cannon, but when released,
Speaker 1: it shot a person or whatever. Now could you imagine?
Speaker 1: Because George was I'm sure trying to convince the first
Speaker 1: person that George knew what he was doing. He applied
Speaker 1: and received a patent in June thirteenth, eighteen seventy one.
Speaker 1: Two years later, eighteen seventy three, the projector made its
Speaker 1: first appearance to the American public. Due to his own girth, however,
Speaker 1: he couldn't fit in. And that's what he's it. I'm
Speaker 1: not going in. I'm not going You could have made
Speaker 1: the two bigger George oh no, oh no, oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's madness. It was not himself but Lulu, a compete
Speaker 1: young man dressed in women's clothing. Sure already, sure, already
Speaker 1: with the Yeah, he trained Lulu. And when George let
Speaker 1: go to latch, Lulu, what was what was that training
Speaker 1: you're standing on? Getting Get in get in the two,
Speaker 1: get in the tube. Already by those months of coaching,
Speaker 1: you had to put a meal.
Speaker 3: And beat him to get him to go on the
Speaker 3: d If you start putting.
Speaker 1: Food in there, then sleep in there, and then one
Speaker 1: day you just shoot it off. When George let go
Speaker 1: the latch holding the spring, Lulu shot thirty feet into
Speaker 1: the air and grabbed the bars and grabbed the bars
Speaker 1: of a trapeze hanging down from the ceiling. Crowd went
Speaker 1: while George and they did it in the crowd, We're
Speaker 1: going to do this first time, went as wall if
Speaker 1: you're going to go? If I rated it, George and
Speaker 1: Lulu were hitting and took to the road with a
Speaker 1: circus act. By eighteen seventy five, Lulu was known as
Speaker 1: the Queen I'm sure I pe this, but their act
Speaker 1: would be eclipsed by a new invention in the human
Speaker 1: projectile history. A guy named George Loyal in Australia also
Speaker 1: did this thing and catching and shooting up into the
Speaker 1: air and the whole bit, so that it has a real,
Speaker 1: real history of this. And I actually was working I
Speaker 1: think it was PM magazine in Philly a long time ago,
Speaker 1: and I was One of my segments was to join
Speaker 1: the circus for night and go to clown college and
Speaker 1: abbreviated version of clown clown abbreviated. They did it in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia at the time because clown college you have to
Speaker 1: apply it. I'll see you in a clown college. I
Speaker 1: got to tell you, I don't see it. I don't
Speaker 1: get well. I had low sat so it was tough,
Speaker 1: but I think I could put you put clown white
Speaker 1: makeup on that face. I met. I met this next
Speaker 1: guy who you're going to meet. He was a clown
Speaker 1: assigned to me. He made me up, taught me clowning,
Speaker 1: and I was in the center ring of Ringling Brothers
Speaker 1: and he ran around and hit me with the I
Speaker 1: know I Wringling Brothers went on. He hits me with
Speaker 1: a giant powder puff and I'm the act. And we
Speaker 1: have stayed friendly and we just talked about thirty seven
Speaker 1: years he's traveled with his family. And John started out
Speaker 1: as a clown with Ringling Brothers and then progressed and
Speaker 1: he called me one day so proud, he said, guess
Speaker 1: what I'm doing there? I said, what, John, You're the
Speaker 1: head clown. He said, I'm getting shot out of the cannon.
Speaker 1: And I went really And with that introduction, ladies and gentleman,
Speaker 1: mister John, mister John Weiss, the human one of the
Speaker 1: few human cannibals right in the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was very fortunate I was able to jump
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 1: And you're for fortunate. It's a lucky break, lucky breaks
Speaker 1: of a lucky break. So, John, you were a circus
Speaker 1: clown and I know that applying to clown college. Station's
Speaker 1: joking about that, but like five six thousand people applying
Speaker 1: the only pick like thirty or forty. Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they hold the auditions throughout the United States, and
Speaker 4: the professional clowns. When we're in a particular location, we
Speaker 4: bring the people in the rain, We audition them, We
Speaker 4: do all kinds of improvisational stuff, and they select only sixty.
Speaker 1: How long is it and how long is clown college?
Speaker 4: It was almost two months when I went.
Speaker 1: When I met him, try and lift a shopping cart.
Speaker 1: You know, however your shopping cart is. It's impossible. John
Speaker 1: was juggling a shopping cart and balancing it on his chin. Exactly.
Speaker 1: You couldn't. You couldn't lift it up. You can partly
Speaker 1: return it when you're done shopping.
Speaker 3: You don't know that I can lift a shopping No,
Speaker 3: you cannot. I can lift a shopping John, what is it?
Speaker 3: What's a what's a card way?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I used a Costco shopping cart. Yes, that's what I wanted,
Speaker 4: Masco shopping. Not only yeah, I just heavy is better
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna he Also, you're also like an idiot.
Speaker 1: I mean this used to during me crazy. You would
Speaker 1: bounce it. Not just the shopping.
Speaker 3: I saw photos of you balance a dollar bill on
Speaker 3: your chin.
Speaker 1: You balance a feather on your chin, and also a
Speaker 1: running chainsaw and a running chainsaw. I can do that too.
Speaker 5: I want to see that one.
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you'd like to apply for
Speaker 1: the co host position, No, it's you know.
Speaker 4: I just started as a kid balancing stuff. Didn't know
Speaker 4: I had the talent. And then as I got older,
Speaker 4: people who challenged me to balance bigger things, and that's
Speaker 4: how I got to climact.
Speaker 3: Know, this is such a stupid question with the balance,
Speaker 3: And did you always on the channel?
Speaker 1: Did you like try on a finger?
Speaker 4: No? No, I started on my foot, on your foot,
Speaker 4: and then it got to my knee, my shoulder, and
Speaker 4: then my face. Heavy objects on the chin, light on
Speaker 4: the nose.
Speaker 1: So you went from clowning. And the interesting thing for
Speaker 1: me about clowning, there is a cash system in the
Speaker 1: circus and most of the acts are generation and they're
Speaker 1: very protective of the act. They don't want they only
Speaker 1: give away secrets. So here's this, here's a clown who
Speaker 1: wants to all of a sudden learn how to do that.
Speaker 1: I read somewhere. I read a lot of articles that
Speaker 1: there may have even the sabotage whereas Bill shuts the seventhage?
Speaker 1: Is that true? John? How hard was that to break
Speaker 1: into a family, traditional business where the circus treats those
Speaker 1: people like god, that's they're the big stars.
Speaker 4: Well, it starts at different levels, like you have supposedly
Speaker 4: it did. At one point it was all the act people,
Speaker 4: and then you had clowns and show girls at a
Speaker 4: different level, so we would never at that level. To
Speaker 4: get to that, you will usually within your family, you know,
Speaker 4: years and years of training, and that training, as you said,
Speaker 4: went down to the next generation, and that would give
Speaker 4: them longevity in the business. What did they do or
Speaker 4: what do you think they do well in retrospect? When
Speaker 4: I when I go back and I look at everything.
Speaker 4: When I trained people, I give them distance to realize
Speaker 4: where they're going and to react in time to talk
Speaker 4: and hit the net on the back of the shoulders.
Speaker 4: Right when I was trained, it was right over the
Speaker 4: net and I only went like like ten feet, uh huh.
Speaker 4: And I knew after that first cannon shot I was
Speaker 4: going to be able to do it because they tucked
Speaker 4: in time. But I did hurt myself.
Speaker 3: So the amount of throw from the cannon is relatively
Speaker 3: little because it's only, as you say, shoot you about
Speaker 3: ten feet, But it gives you enough of the sense
Speaker 3: of oh, okay, I see what this is going to
Speaker 3: build up to, and I have to So is the
Speaker 3: learning did it gradually add more and more distance and
Speaker 3: therefore more and more thrust?
Speaker 1: Blush?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, no matter what, when the cannon
Speaker 4: goes off, it's like a blink. If you blink your eyes,
Speaker 4: that's how fast it is. So even a short shot
Speaker 4: is a huge jolt on your body. It's like being
Speaker 4: in a car accident and you're parked and somebody hits
Speaker 4: you from about sixty five miles an hour, but you're
Speaker 4: ready for it. Yeah, And that's the kind of force
Speaker 4: we're talking about, between ten and twelve g forces in
Speaker 4: a second on your average flight.
Speaker 1: What's the difference on the average flight, you mean, like
Speaker 1: a regular flight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you were doing this, it's three seconds, about
Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty five feet under thirty five feet high.
Speaker 1: Okay, so one hundred and sixty five feet.
Speaker 4: In three seconds, and it's only thirty five feet high
Speaker 4: because the rigging is trimmed out at forty two so
Speaker 4: as your legs come over, you want to make sure
Speaker 4: that you obviously don't clip your legs on the rigging.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: And psychologically, when you're in there, you don't see the net. Yeah,
Speaker 4: all you see is the rigging. So psychologically, when the
Speaker 4: building is lower than forty two feet at trim and
Speaker 4: you're trying to, you know, bring the canon down lower
Speaker 4: for a line drive a logically, our first shot really
Speaker 4: could do a lot of damage to so.
Speaker 1: As you say, much like I understand parachutists.
Speaker 3: Do you know they before they opened the shoot there
Speaker 3: any little movement of hands, foot, head, altars, how they fly.
Speaker 1: You're doing the same thing. But you're doing it.
Speaker 3: It must be completely instinctual, because you can't there's no
Speaker 3: time to process.
Speaker 1: Oh, I need to I need to get muscle memory.
Speaker 1: It's got to be muscle memory. It's doing an auto
Speaker 1: sort of an autobiolot. Not to make a pun, but I.
Speaker 4: Trained one clown and the reason I picked him because
Speaker 4: when we used to grun out from the back curtain
Speaker 4: on to say, the floor of the garden Madison Sweat garden,
Speaker 4: we're running out as clown, I would trip him as
Speaker 4: he's in a full run, and he was able to
Speaker 4: roll out of it. So I said, okay, because it's
Speaker 4: a good.
Speaker 1: And how many times a day did you do this? Well?
Speaker 4: We did about ten to thirteen times a week, three
Speaker 4: times every Saturday, three times every sing and there was
Speaker 4: a year that we did we produced the show with
Speaker 4: the cat and opening the show that was the worst
Speaker 4: because its like a ten o'clock show. You'd be shitting
Speaker 4: out of a cannon. Horrible man. Do you know.
Speaker 1: It's worse than Peter stealing my boss? One hundred? Why
Speaker 1: do you? And I'm not saying this to be funny. Jason,
Speaker 1: before he goes on stage, I always say, around four o'clock,
Speaker 1: have you have? You?
Speaker 5: I have?
Speaker 3: I had a terrible incident on stage one time where
Speaker 3: I was in desperate need of a bathroom and held on,
Speaker 3: thank God, but it was touch and go.
Speaker 1: So I go, I'm on. I'm on empty when I
Speaker 1: when I perform on, I'm adjusting empty would be better?
Speaker 1: Empty is better? Is better? Had seventy miles an hour? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: You know, but speaking of that, not only as the cannibal,
Speaker 3: but as a clown as well. You know the I
Speaker 3: know what it's like having to go on stage as
Speaker 3: an actor when you have a headache or you're feeling
Speaker 3: a little under or something's happened in your life and
Speaker 3: you're upset, and you know, focus to be a clown
Speaker 3: first of all, which is just pure entertainment. There's no
Speaker 3: plot to hide behind, there's no story, there's no lines,
Speaker 3: pure you know, pure joy entertainment. And then the risks
Speaker 3: of doing this if you're feeling off, do you do
Speaker 3: it anyway?
Speaker 1: Do you? You just go? I got it it. Showtime,
Speaker 1: Show must go on.
Speaker 4: Show must go on always always, Yeah, you know, Look,
Speaker 4: the audience is medicine for me. If I'm not having
Speaker 4: a good day, I get on stage and everything goes
Speaker 4: away because I'm connecting with an audience and I'm getting
Speaker 4: automatic feedback from what I'm doing and I'm having a
Speaker 4: good time. And create memories. Yeah, that's what we do
Speaker 4: as entertainers. We create memories and to be a part
Speaker 4: of someone's memory for the life. Yeah, forever is a
Speaker 4: wonderful thing.
Speaker 1: It just happened. Did you I never saw you. I
Speaker 1: never saw you test the thing? Could you test it
Speaker 1: with dummies?
Speaker 4: A lot of people make mistakes, and I've made mistakes
Speaker 4: in it. It cost them dearly. There was a gentleman
Speaker 4: his name was Elvin Bally. He was doing the Candon
Speaker 4: before I did un wringling in Japan. He used the
Speaker 4: dummy to test the distance, and that dummy absorbed the
Speaker 4: water and it wasn't weighed prior to shooting out moisture
Speaker 4: or whatever it may have been. Right the way, he
Speaker 4: overshot the airbag.
Speaker 1: And oh he was in front of an audience, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he landed in like a bleachers of seats or
Speaker 4: something and he got paralyzed from it. And that was
Speaker 4: during the time I was training. So then I was
Speaker 4: questioning whether I was doing the right thing. But I
Speaker 4: was steadfast on my decision to learn this and achieve
Speaker 4: it and to become the best I could.
Speaker 1: And I never asked you. Did Laura ever say John,
Speaker 1: don't do this. Did she ever trying to suade you
Speaker 1: from doing it? No?
Speaker 4: But I got life insurances soon as I started as
Speaker 4: a clown.
Speaker 3: Okay, but the whole it wasn't just the ca I mean,
Speaker 3: if you look around, everything in the circuits seems dangerous
Speaker 3: to me. If you're on a wire, if you're on
Speaker 3: a trapeze, if you're working with an animal, if you're
Speaker 3: I mean, the whole thing is, and the way, you know,
Speaker 3: especially with something like wringling, the whole rigging goes up
Speaker 3: like in a blank comes down in a blink.
Speaker 1: It all seems very very precarious to me. Drewe falls Wow.
Speaker 4: You know. Look, it's it's just like anything. A few
Speaker 4: lose respect for a ass car, a motorcycle and you
Speaker 4: don't take the precautions necessary. There's always going to be
Speaker 4: something that's going to happen. With the Cannon example, it's mechanical,
Speaker 4: so anything can happen. So you can't take anything for granted.
Speaker 4: Every show is different, and every show you have to
Speaker 4: take that time to make sure everything's right. And I
Speaker 4: did overshoot a couple of times, but side by Side
Speaker 4: it was only two weeks into the double Cannon and
Speaker 4: I was not in charge, and when I got inside
Speaker 4: of it, we didn't have an intercom system in there.
Speaker 4: We didn't even have a safety So once I got
Speaker 4: in there, they started the countdown and I'm like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, I'm gonna oh my You.
Speaker 1: Knew something was wrong.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I was in the same level as the next guy.
Speaker 4: So at this point when I get in, it's usually
Speaker 4: staggered the capsules. Right I get in with side By
Speaker 4: I could see him, Oh my god, and by then
Speaker 4: it's too late for what happened. You're bracing, you're praying.
Speaker 1: I got to hit the net. You know, afterwards you
Speaker 1: get off, smile for the crowd and then go screaming somebody.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not about that. But what I did was
Speaker 4: made sure every show I checked it after that. But
Speaker 4: that one time could have killed me, could have killed him.
Speaker 4: We could have bounced out of the net. We went
Speaker 4: side by side land in the same part of the
Speaker 4: net we got up on. You could see our faces.
Speaker 4: I having on video. You can see our faces, and
Speaker 4: they were like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: We're alive. Oh thank you John, thank you for having
Speaker 1: me by the wall.
Speaker 3: The five to five and Underclub salutes us.
Speaker 1: Really today's episode really, So, today's episode was ostensibly about
Speaker 1: the deadliest job in the world, and we had John
Speaker 1: Weishaung who gets shot out of cannon. However, you've been
Speaker 1: talking about this gentleman, saying I don't know how he
Speaker 1: does this. I can't believe he does this. You got
Speaker 1: to see the You've been raving about this guy for
Speaker 1: a million years and I didn't want to step on. Hey, John,
Speaker 1: getting shot out of the canon is not the most
Speaker 1: dangerous job in the world. But this guy does something
Speaker 1: that is insanely dangerous. And you're gonna go crazy when
Speaker 1: I tell you we reached that Lord tracked him down
Speaker 1: and found him. I'll back this up. He's at the Bellagio.
Speaker 1: He's in the show the guy who sets him fire
Speaker 1: every single.
Speaker 3: And I know it's not Richard ray.
Speaker 1: Ray Wald is coming in right. I think the only
Speaker 1: guy in the world that does this sets himself. What's
Speaker 1: the act.
Speaker 3: The act is, he sits and he's dressed like a
Speaker 3: clown with a hat and shoot. And he comes and
Speaker 3: he sits in a lawn chair, a reclining lawn chair,
Speaker 3: and he puts a kerosene lamp down on the floor
Speaker 3: and he's reading a newspaper and the kerosene lamp catches
Speaker 3: the lawnchair on fire. So he catches on fire from
Speaker 3: head to toe. The paper is burning too, and as
Speaker 3: he's burning, he goes, oh, I'm on fire, and walking
Speaker 3: very slowly, he gets and he walks off stage.
Speaker 1: That's the whole act.
Speaker 3: But he is visibly on fire from head to toe
Speaker 3: for close to a minute and a half to.
Speaker 1: And he was on America. However many times a week
Speaker 1: he has to do America's Got talent. He had his
Speaker 1: mother on with him. He was throwing flaming knives with
Speaker 1: his mother, which is but here he I knew you wanted.
Speaker 6: This gunbelievable, all right, So ladies and gentlemen, let us
Speaker 6: who sets himself a play several times.
Speaker 3: The other part of the show, and I was just
Speaker 3: reminding Ray is that when I saw it was you know,
Speaker 3: fairly early in its run, and and Seinfeld was a thing,
Speaker 3: and I was invited backstage to meet the company, and
Speaker 3: I'm looking at all these extraordinary performers, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's hard to recognize that they're in so much makeup
Speaker 3: during the show, so you're trying to go, oh, that
Speaker 3: was that person.
Speaker 1: That was that person.
Speaker 3: And I see Ray and I and I go up
Speaker 3: to him and I go fire guy, and he goes yeah,
Speaker 3: and I go not a trick.
Speaker 7: He goes no, Like, oh my god, And you were
Speaker 7: so grateful because I immediately was like, I can't believe even now, Jason,
Speaker 7: I say, for I mean, I'm around movie sets.
Speaker 1: I've seen stunt guys do a burn. Thirty seconds is
Speaker 1: a long burn, and then they will run for you minute,
Speaker 1: put you out and you're walking. So let's get if
Speaker 1: we can, right. Thank you first of all for making
Speaker 1: he really he's obsessed with this thing, as you anybody
Speaker 1: would be listening to that, because again, not to three minutes,
Speaker 1: that's a long time. I think the world record is
Speaker 1: somebody at four something. But he must be la for.
Speaker 5: A long time. There's just three minutes.
Speaker 1: So if you don't mind, because I read the story,
Speaker 1: when could you tell the story of how you got started?
Speaker 1: Because people listening, I'm sure can't imagine how a guy
Speaker 1: would go. You know, I think and and and follow
Speaker 1: through on it and do what you do so wrong
Speaker 1: with your life that you I've got an act.
Speaker 8: Well that's exactly, that's exactly, you know, And I thank
Speaker 8: you for recognizing it as real fire. So many people
Speaker 8: are just thinking it's fat fire, not real fire. You
Speaker 8: wouldn't believe how many people think that it's not real. Sure,
Speaker 8: but it is absolutely real. And uh, you know, I
Speaker 8: started on the street, you know, I started performing on
Speaker 8: the streets. And more people see you, the more money
Speaker 8: you make. And you know, I started performing. I was
Speaker 8: a good juggler, got to juggle five clubs and everything.
Speaker 8: But people wouldn't stop until I lit the torch up,
Speaker 8: you know, and to do a little bit of fire eating.
Speaker 8: As soon as I got brought fire into the act, people.
Speaker 1: Was, okay, let me stop you right here. How hard
Speaker 1: is it then to go from juggling I will tell
Speaker 1: juggling fire.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, okay, juggling fire is one thing.
Speaker 3: I had a college a friend in college who was
Speaker 3: a juggler and a fire eater, and I said, how'd
Speaker 3: you learn fire eating? He goes, you know, you don't
Speaker 3: learn it, you do it. And he tried to get
Speaker 3: me to do it, you know, and he said, remember
Speaker 3: the heat will burn up, so keep your mouth wide
Speaker 3: and close your teeth, but don't And I'm in this
Speaker 3: thing towards my face and you feel the heat, and
Speaker 3: the heat goes up, a few heat goes up.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling that I could not do it. I couldn't
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's true, you know.
Speaker 8: And back in my day, there wasn't books and videos,
Speaker 8: and there was a few little books that have hints
Speaker 8: of information, but there wasn't the videotube. You can't see it,
Speaker 8: that's how you do it. It wasn't the possible. So
Speaker 8: you kind of learned a little tiny information and then
Speaker 8: you just lit it up and try it, you know, and.
Speaker 1: You just did you make mistakes where you saw.
Speaker 8: Oh you absolutely made a lot of mistakes, and you
Speaker 8: learn from those mistakes. And the people kept coming, they
Speaker 8: kept wanting more and more fire, and you know.
Speaker 5: You had to make a living, had to eat you know.
Speaker 3: So wait, when you make a mistake learning to eat fire,
Speaker 3: what's the cost?
Speaker 8: I mean you you burn your lips, so you burn
Speaker 8: them pretty bad, right, yeah, but that's not.
Speaker 1: Like a nothing. That takes a while for that to heal.
Speaker 1: And then you try it again.
Speaker 5: Try it again, and you try it again until you
Speaker 5: get it right. And you're right.
Speaker 8: You got to keep your head back pretty far or
Speaker 8: are you going to burn your nose and your eyes?
Speaker 1: All right, So now you're doing that, and you've you've
Speaker 1: mastered this, you're doing it pretty well.
Speaker 5: And then well, and then I had this idea.
Speaker 8: I had this idea if I go to eat fire,
Speaker 8: because my background is clowning. I grew up, went to
Speaker 8: Ringian Brothers, bartum Bailey's circus, clown Colleagen.
Speaker 1: That's where things go wrong for people. That's what I've
Speaker 1: learned doing this.
Speaker 5: That's why I thought.
Speaker 8: So I thought, I want to make a comedy routine
Speaker 8: out of this. And so I go to eat fire.
Speaker 8: I'm going to catch a little scarf on my pocket
Speaker 8: on fire, you know, and to act like it's by accident,
Speaker 8: try to put it out, and then I'll throw it down.
Speaker 8: I've been down to pick it up, and my tie
Speaker 8: will catch fire, and I'll blow it out and try it.
Speaker 5: And then I'll swing back and hit my crotch and
Speaker 5: I'll try.
Speaker 1: To put that out. All right, this already sounds like
Speaker 1: are you out of your mind?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 1: So I know it took a time. But how did
Speaker 1: we get then to the circ thing, which again is
Speaker 1: such a mind blower act?
Speaker 8: Well, I was traveling doing this act and stuff, and
Speaker 8: I got invited to go to the Monte Carlos Festival,
Speaker 8: the biggest circus festival in the world.
Speaker 5: All the great acts go there and perform. And I
Speaker 5: went out.
Speaker 8: I went there and the King of Monico was up
Speaker 8: right up in the front row.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: And I came and I ran down.
Speaker 8: I was going to do the crotchburn, you know, And
Speaker 8: I ran came out of the audience, my hat on
Speaker 8: fire while like a wild man coming down, and I
Speaker 8: went to eat the fire, and my scarf caught fire,
Speaker 8: my ty caught fire, my crotchhot fired.
Speaker 5: I was run around on the rinker.
Speaker 8: I stopped right in the front of the king there,
Speaker 8: and you could have heard a pin drop.
Speaker 5: Nobody did anything. They didn't laugh, they didn't do anything.
Speaker 8: Well, they were, but then the King just started laughing
Speaker 8: and the whole place just erupted. And after that, I
Speaker 8: could do no wrong in Monaco, and and just away
Speaker 8: happened to be there at that time. And then a
Speaker 8: few days later I was on the beach over there
Speaker 8: in Monico and it's so lovely there, and we had
Speaker 8: Elton John was singing live and sports arena there and
Speaker 8: I was on the beach eating wine and cheese and stuff,
Speaker 8: but just listening to Elton John. And I get a
Speaker 8: call from Circus La. They said, you know, Ray, we
Speaker 8: want you to come and do the show with us.
Speaker 8: We're put together a new show in Vegas here.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: I was like Circus La, I don't I think he
Speaker 8: got the wrong guy because I'm a little tramp, dirty
Speaker 8: tramp clown with fire. I'm all sooty, and you know
Speaker 8: they're beautiful, beautiful tights and costumes and stuff.
Speaker 5: I don't know how I fit in. I said, I
Speaker 5: think he got the wrong person. Then no, no, we
Speaker 5: didn't get the wrong person. This is not we know
Speaker 5: who you are. And so I ended up coming to
Speaker 5: Las Vegas and I and I been here for twenty.
Speaker 1: Did you help them. So did you help them create
Speaker 1: your segment in the show.
Speaker 5: Well, I had already created my segment, so they.
Speaker 1: Bought the whole act. They bought you and the act.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there are acrobats and performers working for circ
Speaker 3: who I see their skills replicated in various shows. So
Speaker 3: there's people that hang from the straps, there's people who
Speaker 3: do the hoops, there's people who do the seer, there's
Speaker 3: people that can tumble and they do the Teter Tynerboy,
Speaker 3: I've never seen anybody else do what you do?
Speaker 1: Does that give you hoping? The answer to this is
Speaker 1: a whopping yes. Does that give you a negotiating power?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: Actually? Did it?
Speaker 5: Actually?
Speaker 8: You know, because they're looking for unique and I say,
Speaker 8: you know, shows, you've got to have variety in the
Speaker 8: shows today. And I believe that that's what has kept
Speaker 8: me working through the years, is the fact that I
Speaker 8: am unique.
Speaker 1: I try to oh yeah, oh yeah, you're a bit unique.
Speaker 1: Show you how many shows a week are you engulfed
Speaker 1: in Flint?
Speaker 8: Well, we do ten shows a week, and I burned
Speaker 8: twice twice in each show. So so far, twenty burns
Speaker 8: a week, twenty burns a week.
Speaker 5: But I've been there.
Speaker 8: I've been there for twenty four years or something like that,
Speaker 8: so that's about forty thousand burns or somebody don't know.
Speaker 1: And what I read was, if I'm correct, you've never
Speaker 1: injured yourself when doing a search show, but you did
Speaker 1: injure yourself doing a private show.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have.
Speaker 8: I have had some burns. I've never really been seriously burned,
Speaker 8: though where I haven't.
Speaker 1: Dude, the leg burned that I saw I would consider
Speaker 1: a serious but you don't. But oh my god.
Speaker 8: Your wife says you were in a little distressed, right, Yeah,
Speaker 8: it burned from my knee to my ankle and all
Speaker 8: the skin was burned off.
Speaker 1: But a look at that, it's like a sunburn. So
Speaker 1: you know when I realized you were crazy that the
Speaker 1: pain that I caused. But yet you still did the
Speaker 1: CERK show.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I wasn't supposed to be doing Oh.
Speaker 1: Wow, but wow, And okay, because it's such a dangerous stunt,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure it takes focus and preparation all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Is it like when Jason performs, it's a rush. When
Speaker 1: I perform, it's a rush. Is there is there a rush?
Speaker 1: Or is it?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 5: Even after twenty four years.
Speaker 8: The adrenalines there, You're ready to go, You're pumped up,
Speaker 8: ready to going on the stage.
Speaker 3: I know, I gotta tell you I would be I
Speaker 3: I could just see myself, you know, my two week
Speaker 3: my two week vacation once a year in Hawaii going.
Speaker 3: I can't believe one more day and then I gotta
Speaker 3: go back and set myself on fire.
Speaker 1: A funny thing where you said that when Ray said,
Speaker 1: I also read that Race said when he's on the beach,
Speaker 1: he burns.
Speaker 5: On the beach, which I can't be three minutes out here.
Speaker 1: I read just on the screen. And the other thing
Speaker 1: about this is whether you're using the kevlar or whatever
Speaker 1: you using to protect you your You wear a hat,
Speaker 1: but your face is unprotected.
Speaker 8: Just repent, that is true. I don't I don't use
Speaker 8: any stunt jels or anything about.
Speaker 1: How does it knock get your face?
Speaker 5: Well, it gets warm.
Speaker 8: You just have to move out of the way. And
Speaker 8: you'll see me on stage sometimes you'll see me squirming.
Speaker 8: If you see me squirming, I'm in trouble, you know.
Speaker 1: And that happens.
Speaker 5: It happens more than you think.
Speaker 1: So what's the trouble And what's the trouble. What's going
Speaker 1: on there?
Speaker 8: It's just too holle. Someone opened the door. Someone opened
Speaker 8: the door or event or the heaters came on in
Speaker 8: a certain place and suck to suck the flame in
Speaker 8: a different direction, you have to beat the flight right
Speaker 8: next right, don't they.
Speaker 1: Have signs up that don't turn on the event, don't
Speaker 1: open the door. Really they do.
Speaker 8: But you know some people don't don't listen, you know,
Speaker 8: so when you you know instantly what's going on.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So there's nobody else right now currently in the world
Speaker 1: that does what you do.
Speaker 5: No, im, I'm the only one.
Speaker 8: And I like it that way because when you create
Speaker 8: something and when it's yours, you know, you have a
Speaker 8: hard time saying, you know, oh yeah, it's okay for
Speaker 8: you to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ray, I got to thank you. You made this
Speaker 1: little boy's life. He's been talking about you as long
Speaker 1: as I've known him.
Speaker 3: And let me say this, as Ray says, the show
Speaker 3: is twenty four years and running. It is a glorious show.
Speaker 1: Again. Oh god, it's just we'll do this again in
Speaker 1: twenty years.
Speaker 5: They said, Peter for having me here.
Speaker 1: You stay safe. I'm going to come see you next time,
Speaker 1: we're going to come back just to see you.
Speaker 5: Rayy, come back, stats, come back. Stay, We'll come back.
Speaker 1: Stay. Maybe we'll pick you out to dinner and we
Speaker 1: can go to barbecue. All right? So what are the
Speaker 1: dangerous jobs that here we go? You're on a dangerous job.
Speaker 1: And I wonder if this I wonder if there's even
Speaker 1: one that you and I could do if we had lumberjack.
Speaker 1: That's a dangerous gentle, because oh my god, you're working
Speaker 1: with chainsaws and stuff all the time. Yeah, the opportunity
Speaker 1: to have some hit you fall on you, ye timber,
Speaker 1: even a minor woodpecker at that it would be horrible.
Speaker 1: Way we have a woodpecker outside my bedroom. Win that annoying,
Speaker 1: worse than a rooster free dawn. And you go and
Speaker 1: by the way, what's here? Comp What is he trying
Speaker 1: to doing?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: When did they go? Enough? I finished with the street.
Speaker 1: If anybody knows that, can you email us? When do
Speaker 1: they go?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty pretty much pleeted district work is done, because
Speaker 1: it seems like it's never ending, and they're showing off.
Speaker 1: They're showing off for other birds. Look what I'm doing
Speaker 1: a carpenter. Yeah, underwater welder. This one. I can't even
Speaker 1: talk underwater welder. So catch this. You go down below,
Speaker 1: you go into a tube a half mile in your welding.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that there's the water in the tube. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's water in this. So what I don't understand this?
Speaker 1: How do you get a fire? They have underworld of
Speaker 1: one because they have stuff that does that and I
Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't do that much refine. I didn't
Speaker 1: get an a in chemistry, but I know water. But
Speaker 1: they could they repair pipelines, ships, dams, all this stuff
Speaker 1: like I can't I can't even imagine it. Sulfur minor,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know this. Sulfur mine? Where they mine sulfur?
Speaker 1: Where are they minded volcanoes? Yeah, that's a two fer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you die from the sulfur. And it's oh, look, what's
Speaker 1: something bubbling? Did you hear bubble? Did somebody hear something?
Speaker 1: Ice road trucker? We've seen we've all shown that shot
Speaker 1: that this one is similar to John getting shot like
Speaker 1: cannon because it's my choice and it's for entertainment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bull rider, bull rider, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah, what is that about? What is that.
Speaker 1: By the way, it doesn't even be a bull the
Speaker 1: horses also the bucket worst, but the bull rider thing.
Speaker 1: They use one hand, right, because two, why would you
Speaker 1: use two? You can actually hold on one hand and
Speaker 1: the thing comes out. You irritate him, you let him out,
Speaker 1: and you manage to stay on. Hey, he stayed on
Speaker 1: long enough. Oh then he got trampled right one. By
Speaker 1: the way, you stay on for.
Speaker 3: Nine seconds, it's it's a chiropractic for the next twenty years.
Speaker 1: If you were the champion and you did that for
Speaker 1: five years, I would guess you're three inches shorter, five
Speaker 1: and short in the bucket from the bucket, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: bucket venom milker. Yeah, take those things. They don't like
Speaker 1: to be. They don't like to be. They don't like
Speaker 1: to and you need a degree for this. And this
Speaker 1: is the best one. Yeah, this is one of my favorites.
Speaker 1: Crocodile physiologists they actively capture and bring a crocodile out
Speaker 1: to study it, and then they have to release it back.
Speaker 1: So that's two times you're dealing with something that's going
Speaker 1: no way, no frigging way. Am I eating you? I'm
Speaker 1: eating you? Now? Can you imagine I don't the thing.
Speaker 3: Have you ever been to the alligator shows that they
Speaker 3: might never go? No, they really glades one time, and
Speaker 3: you know they brought you out on an air boat.
Speaker 3: You couldn't get away. But apparently you can hold the
Speaker 3: alligator's mouth open or closed.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. There's one direction the way they have
Speaker 1: closed the mouth open. You got it. You gotta get
Speaker 1: it right. You get that. It's really important. Not a
Speaker 1: small not a small detail. Wait there for my first show,
Speaker 1: I couldn't remember. God damn, I did it again, and
Speaker 1: I was a pain customer. And now he's fed by
Speaker 1: the way the good news.
Speaker 3: I actually, honestly, one of the things I believe that
Speaker 3: everybody who does a dangerous job, we should have asked
Speaker 3: John this is when he's flying across that thing, he
Speaker 3: must feel. I think these people that do the dangerous jobs,
Speaker 3: they feel like it's never gonna happen to them, that.
Speaker 1: There's some sort of a superhero. I looked this up.
Speaker 1: Why people do dangerous Yeah, First of all, a lot
Speaker 1: of it is to do with poverty in a lot
Speaker 1: of places like sherper guides and stuff like that, where
Speaker 1: you get paid and you can make a living. But
Speaker 1: the ones like the underwater wellers and stuff. Believe it
Speaker 1: or not, there's a there. First of all, they get
Speaker 1: paid a lot. Second of all, their schedules are are
Speaker 1: interesting because they can be off for two months and
Speaker 1: then work for two or three months, so it's you
Speaker 1: can spend time at family, the life. It gets paid
Speaker 1: very well. But there's also this this sense of accomplishment
Speaker 1: that I've done something to make America say I've done
Speaker 1: a great job whatever. So that's a big part of
Speaker 1: this too. It all enters into that. So that's why
Speaker 1: they do it. Googlehi'm Google Heim. We're wrapping up. We'll
Speaker 1: see what what he's got? What do we say wrong?
Speaker 1: What do we say right? What needs to be clarified.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of a lot to start with here.
Speaker 1: But number one thing woodpeckers. Oh why did they pack? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Why did they pack? Why did they pack? Why do
Speaker 1: they powder? To find food? Excavate areas for nesting, they'll
Speaker 1: live in there sometimes they wow, what did Yes?
Speaker 9: I actually had one that and mark their territory markets.
Speaker 9: I actually had a woodpecker that live about my car
Speaker 9: until they.
Speaker 3: Were Okay, is there anything but David does this anything like?
Speaker 3: Is it a mating thing to like the loud of
Speaker 3: the cannocking. The more the female went for, Oh that guy,
Speaker 3: can he can really drill?
Speaker 1: That's it, that's just showing it. I don't see any
Speaker 1: watch this this guy. Yeah okay, yeah, yeah, that's a noise.
Speaker 1: I'm waking up this woodpecker.
Speaker 7: Sure.
Speaker 1: How far back do you think clowning goes in history?
Speaker 1: Wells palaolithical man semataurists, Man, I don't know.
Speaker 6: There was a guy, you know, hog and they found
Speaker 6: one embalmed and bombed and he would trip over a log.
Speaker 1: It was hysterical. They actually found a sing of ice
Speaker 1: that melted, and under the was a guy holding a
Speaker 1: ball and had a red notse and he was balancing
Speaker 1: a stick on his nose. Yeah go ahead, but you're
Speaker 1: actually not You're not far off ancient Egypt.
Speaker 9: There are hieroglyphics that show, oh, clowning, and they were
Speaker 9: actually called dangus and they were compelled to wear funny
Speaker 9: masks and entertain the pharaohs.
Speaker 1: Was it a voluntary jones?
Speaker 4: Was it?
Speaker 1: Like? I don't believe. Was that was that the high
Speaker 1: they were? They were African pigmies, So I don't think
Speaker 1: this was something that you volunteered. And I just insert
Speaker 1: this because I've been on radio for so long, and
Speaker 1: just as a precautionary, could you also google dingus to
Speaker 1: make sure that we're not cursing every three minutes the
Speaker 1: way it sounds to me like a body part in
Speaker 1: important movies. I just want to make sure that when
Speaker 1: we're throwing around the term dangus, that we're not saying.
Speaker 3: By the way, also funny, maybe that's the A because
Speaker 3: we'll find out in the Philippines that means they were
Speaker 3: shut down.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you could there's actually actually Peter.
Speaker 9: I'm glad you mentioned that because again, clowning historically goes
Speaker 9: back to a lot of different cultures.
Speaker 1: Those are ancient China, the the the Jao dynasty.
Speaker 9: In fact, the Great Wall of China would have been
Speaker 9: painted if not for the Emperor's clown.
Speaker 1: The clowns painting John, I don't understand that. Yes, what
Speaker 1: was in it for the clowns?
Speaker 9: The emperor was going to paint the wall and this
Speaker 9: probably would have meant thousands of hundreds or thousands of people.
Speaker 1: Dying from from that endeavor because it's so huge.
Speaker 9: But the clown that the court gesture if you will,
Speaker 9: was the only one who was able to make the
Speaker 9: emperor think maybe this isn't such a good idea and
Speaker 9: he didn't do it.
Speaker 3: What do you suppose that comedy routine was those are
Speaker 3: the emperors? You guys going to have been a wall?
Speaker 1: And the other question I wanted to know is what
Speaker 1: Sherwin Williams color were they going to be? Where do
Speaker 1: you get too? Yes, because it's ever lasting? Yeah, ever lasting?
Speaker 8: Wow?
Speaker 1: Always classic. Yeah. Anyway, So clowns were way back. But
Speaker 1: guess what one clown is no longer performing. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's more than McDonald. Ron no longer with us?
Speaker 1: Why that's retired? He was retired in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 9: There were a lot of different reasons, but a lot
Speaker 9: of it had to do with the Stephen King it.
Speaker 1: You know, those scary clowns.
Speaker 9: There are also incidences across the country of a violent clown.
Speaker 9: You know, people would videotape clowns a menacing people, sometimes
Speaker 9: even with weapons.
Speaker 1: This was a documentary thing, and so in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: he was By the way, I just would love to
Speaker 1: see video Ronald in the film Makeup going, Do you
Speaker 1: just let me go? Let me go on the mortgage.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, another famous client that was retired. One
Speaker 3: of my favorite bits on Seinfeld, one of my favorites,
Speaker 3: and it was played by the great Johns who went
Speaker 3: on to you know, direct Ironman, become a major Hollywood
Speaker 3: director and actor. But he played a party clown at
Speaker 3: a kids party that George's in attendance, at the one
Speaker 3: where eventually there would be a kitchen fire and I
Speaker 3: would push old women and children out of the way
Speaker 3: to escape.
Speaker 1: But it drew.
Speaker 3: It drove George crazy that this clown didn't know who
Speaker 3: Boso was. And I kept haranguing him about you don't
Speaker 3: know Boso.
Speaker 1: How do you not know Boso? And John had a
Speaker 1: line and he did it so perfectly.
Speaker 3: He went, I don't know Bojo, Man, you hung up
Speaker 3: on some clown from the sixties.
Speaker 1: Man, he did it so beautifully. I never got through
Speaker 1: the scene and he was in it. But he was
Speaker 1: in it. Oh. I thank you Googleheim, I thank John Weiss.
Speaker 1: I think all our guests, and by the way, thank
Speaker 1: you Blue Wires Studios here in Las Vent. Anybody who's
Speaker 1: still a dankish we apolishi, Yes, Jay job, Yes, and
Speaker 1: you know what we got away with it unscathed and
Speaker 1: by the way, good coffee. Oh you best?
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Speaker 2: you'll also find raised controversial recent appearances with his mother
Speaker 2: on America's Got Talent The guy sets his mother.
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Speaker 2: and topping the list copywriter, which seems wrong to me
Speaker 2: given the ever present dangers of paper cuts, eyestrain, handcramping,
Speaker 2: and the lurking thread of replacement by chat GPT. Live fast,
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