1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, he's friends. Normally it's Kendryman. Here. We are 2 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: back on normally the show with normalist takes for when 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: the news gets weird. I am Mary, Kathy. 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: Ham, I am Carol Marcowitz him Mary Catherine, how are you? 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm good. It's busy out there, Carol. 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: It really is where recording this as RFK Junior is 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: testifying and I don't know. I don't know where his 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 2: nomination ends up. What do you think? 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: I think the funny thing about the folks who seem 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: on the knife edge, like a Tulsa Gabbard or an RFK, 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: is that there is still the possibility that they pull 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: a Democratic vote or two. 13 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: It's true. 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that changes the math because we have this 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: weird coalition that is, you know, the RFK Maha moms 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: are sort of a horseshoe of establishment, skeptical public health, 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: skeptical right and left leaning crunchy mom. This is why 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: the governor of Colorado has been so defensive of RFK, 19 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: because he knows that the capital of crunchy moms yeap hippies. 20 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: OK So it's funny because I don't love RFK. I 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: am suspicious of him. He's a big lib. I'm a conservative. 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 2: I just you know, a Kennedy in our home. 23 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm suspicious of all Kennedys for all time. 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know. But there's no doubt that 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 2: Trump ran with RFK as his you know, health guy, 26 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: and he recruited Mohammam's and he got a lot of 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: new people into the coalition. I know some of these voters, 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: I've met them where they've never voted Republican before, but 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: RFK brought them over. So there's no doubt this was 30 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: what Trump ran on. And so I don't know. Again, 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what I like. I like to think 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: what I would do if I was a Republican senator. 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: I think I voted yes on this one, even though 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: I'm not a fan. 35 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: I think I would hear him out, skeptically, ask hard questions, 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: which is what's happening now. We can do an update 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: on it later and TBD. I don't because there are 38 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: there are things that he will have to answer about 39 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: that are quite controversial. Yeah, and whether he's going to 40 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: hue to his takes of the past and what that 41 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: looks like for the agency, particularly on life issues, that's 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: something that matters to a lot of light leaning senators, 43 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: so we shall see how he answers. Performing well in 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: these settings can change the game. 45 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: It really can. And you're wise because I just said 46 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: I would vote for him, but yeah, he might say 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: something crazy like as we're on this show, true have 48 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: to be like, no, no, forget it, I don't vote 49 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, so from what I've heard so far, 50 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: I would, but I don't know. Yeah, you're right, smart. 51 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: So the question is how much how much difference does 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: Trump deserve? And in this case, like he was very 53 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: explicit about this guy specifically. 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: Extremely Yeah, you could say, you know, again, I've been 55 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: a big defender of Pete Hegseth, But you could say 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 2: you didn't see Pete Hegseth coming. I could agree with that, 57 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: but you had to have seen RFK coming, and you've 58 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: had dev seen Chelsea coming. They were on stage with 59 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: him all the time. 60 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: One last point, Yeah, I do have a rule about 61 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: Kennedy's which is that I am skeptical of all of 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: them deeply. However, Kennedy family in particular. If you are 63 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: for the first time ever objecting to a Kennedy's behavior 64 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: now and you've never objected to a Kennedy's behavior ever before. Yeah, 65 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: there are other people's critiques I'm going to be listening to, 66 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: not yours. 67 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: I hear that very much. So we have this whole 68 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: situation going on down in Florida, and I don't think 69 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 2: that it's been explained very well. National media is not 70 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 2: really covering it. I've tried to read a bunch of 71 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: stories on it. They're mostly Florida local press, which is 72 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: good because there's a lot of detail in those stories 73 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: that I think national media might miss. But what's happening 74 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: is I think a lot of people hearing the story. 75 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: So I want to talk about what is going on 76 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: in Florida as I think it's going to be a 77 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: bigger deal. And you know, I think Florida is a 78 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: kind of a model red state right now, and what 79 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: goes on here I feel I could easily spread to 80 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: other states. 81 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: So yes, I'm on the edge of my seat because 82 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, what's happening, carol'dise. 83 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: I know, I have notes, I have names, I have details. 84 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: We're going to do this, Okay, So here's the story. 85 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: Trump wins and DeSantis goes into full on Ron DeSantis mode. 86 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 2: You know, I say he's the Vanilla Ice. If you've 87 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: got a problem, yo, he'll solve it. He's like, got it, 88 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: he won you know, immigration's important. Let's go. He calls 89 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: a special session of the Florida legislature because he wants 90 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: to enact a proposal to fight illegal immigration even more 91 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: than where already doing in Florida. The legislators bucket this, 92 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: which is surprising because they're majority Republicans, so you think 93 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 2: they'd be like, Trump wants this, rond de Santis wants this, 94 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 2: let's go. Well, and they also they've all ran on 95 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 2: some version of I want to fight illegal immigration, because 96 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: that's what Republicans, you know, have run on in the 97 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: last few years. So they don't want to come back 98 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: into the special session. 99 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: They say no. 100 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: At this point, Trump weighs in and he says he 101 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: loves what Ron de Santis is doing, and he hopes 102 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: other governors follow. Now they've got no choice but to 103 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: come back. So they come in for a special session, 104 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 2: but not on the date Ron de Santis wanted. They 105 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: come in a day before he wanted, so they showed him. 106 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. 107 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: DeSantis releases what he wants in this bill, and the 108 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: Florida Republicans are like, no, this is this doesn't work 109 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 2: for us. They water down his bill. And here's the 110 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: crucial part. To me, this is really the main crux 111 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: of the bill, because when you read their bill, you're like, 112 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: this isn't bad. But the worst part of their bill 113 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: is that they move enforcement from the Governor's office to 114 00:05:55,440 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: the Agriculture Commissioner, which makes no sense. Particular Commissioner Wilton 115 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 2: Simpson has previously pushed for things like in state tuition 116 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 2: for illegal immigrants or driver's license for illegal immigrants, which 117 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: is not even popular among Democrats down here, and it 118 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 2: is just generally considered soft on immigration. So what's going on. 119 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 2: DeSantis has had to veto previous bills pushed by Simpson 120 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: because they were pro big sugar industry, and DeSantis again 121 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 2: has been tough the whole time. This new bill that 122 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: the legislature passed prevents any action on illegal immigrants that 123 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: doesn't go through the Agriculture Commissioner's office, which again has 124 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: shown a propensity for illegal immigrants or supporting interests that 125 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 2: rely on cheap labor. So if any county in Florida 126 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: comes upon, say, a house full of illegal immigrants, which 127 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 2: just happened two days ago in Pine Crest, a city 128 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: south of Miami. They discovered a home of Chinese nationals, 129 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,559 Speaker 2: and two different police departments acted on it. They would 130 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 2: now have to go through the Agriculture Department Commissioner's office 131 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: to get ICE to go do anything about it. Of course, 132 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: those people could be long gone. But beyond that, their 133 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: version of the bill doesn't make law. Local officials follow 134 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: state law about legal immigrants. You can now have sanctuary 135 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: cities or towns where you largely could not before. The 136 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: governor's plan requires participation from counties and municipalities. Now the 137 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: Agriculture Commissioner's office could also just stop cooperating with ICE. 138 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: What if the next Agriculture commissioner is a Democrat? You 139 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: just can't possibly know. In fact, the last one was 140 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: really the last Democrat standing in the state. Nikki Freed, 141 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: all right. So it's just a startling amount of power 142 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: for an office that's soft on illegal immigration. And you 143 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: and I were on the show Politics, Politics, Politics, Justin 144 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: Robert Young is the host. He's a originally from Florida, 145 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 2: and he saw me tweeting about this. He's a very 146 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,239 Speaker 2: honest broker. He saw me tweeting about this, and he said, ah, 147 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 2: the old Florida lesson big sugar gets what it wants. Now, 148 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: I'm not ascribing bad motives to anyone, but yeah. 149 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, those influences matter. Well, my question is, like, 150 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: isn't this obviously a law enforcement issue not an agriculture issue? 151 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 2: You would think, right. So The Tampa Bay Times, a 152 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 2: liberal newspaper, summed up some of the previous battles that 153 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: the Agricultuurre Commissioner and Santa's have had, saying DeSantis veto 154 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 2: the Simpsons supported bill that would have changed the state's 155 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: policies for Everglad's restoration. Critics derided the bill as a 156 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 2: giveaway to Florida's powerful sugar industry. Now, how are they 157 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: getting away with this? How are Florida Republicans pushing a 158 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 2: soft on illegal immigration bill? 159 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: And twenty five not. 160 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 2: Even a few weeks after Donald Trump takes office. They've 161 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: promoted this lie that this is just a power struggle. 162 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: They just don't want Ron DeSantis to have more power. 163 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 2: And what they really want to do is punish him 164 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 2: for running against Donald Trump, because how dare he all 165 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: of that's a lie? Trump himself is for what DeSantis 166 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: is doing. He pushed a strong bill. Why would a 167 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: random legislator be displeased. Also, DeSantis remains massively popular in 168 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 2: the state and is in pole position to be a 169 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 2: king maker for many years to come. Make it make 170 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: sense that they would want a power struggle with this guy. 171 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 2: So he is not per reelection, why would they need 172 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 2: to bring him down a notch? It makes no sense. 173 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: And already he has a list of accomplishments a mile 174 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: long over his last You know, it'll be eight years 175 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: when he's done here. This one blip is not going 176 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: to be like, oh, well, he didn't get the Republican 177 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: legislators to do what he wanted. He now and now 178 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: he can't be in higher office or a lobbyist or 179 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: whatever position he wants. Is that these legislators are trying 180 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: to cover up this weak bill by pretending like, oh no, 181 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: this is just a power move. And they actually called 182 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: this bill the Trump Act because they want to cover 183 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: up that it's weak on illegal immigration. It's not a 184 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 2: serious bill. Jesse Kelly talks about this kind of stuff 185 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: all the time, how Republicans in red states quietly move 186 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: their state leftward. Texas didn't have school choice, for example. 187 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: So it's important to remember the Republicans were not always 188 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 2: against illegal immigration. That's really only something that's happened in 189 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 2: the last few years, and a lot of industries are 190 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 2: trying to push them back to where they were. That's 191 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: what's happening down in Florida. 192 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: Well, I am a former immigration moderate that they turned 193 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: into a hawk, and I bet Florida is populated with 194 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, And I imagine yes, if the truth 195 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 1: gets out about this, that people will be hearing from 196 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: their constituents. Right. 197 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: So I've heard from a lot of normy people, just 198 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: you know, friends, neighbors, that kind of thing, who are like, 199 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 2: what is going on? And they're very worried because, you know, 200 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: we only have DeSantis for two more years and this 201 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: is what the future looks like. That's kind of scary 202 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: that these people are being so dishonest about it, even 203 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: if you take them at their word, like, oh, we 204 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 2: just don't like Ron DeSantis and we want to punish him, 205 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: Like are you serious with this? He's extremely popular, He. 206 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: Went by a land dogs doing that. 207 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 2: The people love him anyway, so what are you doing? 208 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: So that's that's the situation here. I think that if 209 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 2: this bill did pass, now DeSantis has to decide whether 210 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: or not to veto it. But I think if this 211 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: bill doesn't get kind of pushback, maybe even nationally, it 212 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: will spread. Because bad ideas spread, weak Republicans spread. All 213 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: of this is very easy to bring to other states. 214 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: Desanta's has always been good at really messaging forcefully about 215 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: things he does not like, so I imagine we will hear 216 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: much more about this. 217 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, you know, I love his press team, 218 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: I love his office, but I'll tell you, like, just 219 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: straight up, zero people have contacted me about this bill 220 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: from his office. So as good as they are, like, 221 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: they can't be everywhere and they can't talk to everyone. 222 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: And well, if you get if you get behind the 223 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: ball on these things very easy, I go behind the ball. Quote, 224 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: don't say gay right, if you don't push back on 225 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: that immediately, and the characterization of it, people don't have. 226 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: Normal people don't have a lot of time in their 227 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: lives to be parsing this, which is why we do it, 228 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: and they can lose track of what has actually happened. 229 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: You really, you nailed the problem here. So again, while 230 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: his press team is amazing, and you know, I think 231 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: that they do great work. The fact that this hasn't 232 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 2: been a national story and the fact that the details 233 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: aren't laid out somewhere for people to just easily access 234 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: is concerning to me. 235 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: All Right, well, thank you for the explainer, Carol. 236 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, Mary Catherine, thank you for listening to me. 237 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, as a person who lives in a purplish state 238 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: within the extremely successful and popular, unfortunately term limited Republican governor, 239 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: it's hard to keep track of the sometimes dastardly deeds. 240 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: It really is, even when you have someone at the 241 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: top who is keeping watch over it. And we'll see 242 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: what happens in Virginia in the future as well, though 243 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: we do have a solid Republican candidate running to be 244 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: the governor again and win some series amazing. 245 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: We'll be right back on normally. 246 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: Second story for today, the briefing room is a whole 247 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: new vibe at the White House. Carolyn Levitt, who's the 248 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: twenty seven year old Press secretary, took to the podium 249 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: for the first time yesterday to a very crowded press 250 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: briefing room. Here's a little bit of her opening, just 251 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: to get a flavor of how she's going to be 252 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: heard to the KJP of. 253 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: The past speaking on behalf of the president of the 254 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 3: United States. 255 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 1: That is my job, and. 256 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 3: I will say it's very easy to speak truth from 257 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 3: this podium when you have a president who is implementing 258 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 3: policies that are wildly popular with the American people. And 259 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: that's exactly what this administration is doing. It's correcting the 260 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 3: lies and the wrongs of the past four years, many 261 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: of the lies that have been told to your faces 262 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: in this very briefing room. I will not do that. 263 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: But since you brought up truth seek I would like 264 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 3: to point out, while I vow to provide the truth 265 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 3: from this podium, we ask that all of you in 266 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 3: this room hold yourselves to that same standard. We know 267 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: for a fact there have been lies that have been 268 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: pushed by many legacy media outlets in this country about 269 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: this president, about his family, and we will. 270 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 2: Not accept that. 271 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 3: We will call you out when we feel that your 272 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: reporting is wrong or there is misinformation about this White House. 273 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: So yes, I will hold myself to the truth, and 274 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: I expect everyone. 275 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: In this room to do the same. There you have it, folks. Look, 276 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: she's very good, just on a skills level, taught answers, forceful, 277 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: has facts at her disposal. She said in an interview 278 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: before she started this job that her binder's in her head. 279 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: YEP, I was gonna say, Noder, where's the binder? 280 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: Her binders in her head. We've come a long way 281 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: since Mitt Romney's binders full of women and the ridiculous 282 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: smear by the press corps over that to the binders 283 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: in my brain. So here we are, and I appreciate 284 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: what she's saying. Here the very crowded press room, some 285 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: of them were not did not seem to be enjoying themselves. 286 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: For this reason, there are a lot of new folks 287 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: in the briefing room. And Levitt offered just a sample 288 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: of what the new policy is going to be moving forward. 289 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: I think we have a little bit of that clip too. 290 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 3: This White House believes strongly in the First Amendment. So 291 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: it's why our team will work diligent to restore the 292 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: press passes of the four hundred and forty journalists whose 293 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: passes were wrongly revoked by. 294 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: The previous administration. 295 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 3: We're also opening up this briefing room to new media 296 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: voices who produced news related content and whose outlet is 297 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: not already represented by one of the seats in this room. 298 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 3: We welcome independent journalists, podcasters, social media influencers, and content 299 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: creators to apply for credentials to cover this White House. 300 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I had no idea that four hundred 301 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: and forty journalists were cut from the White House briefing room. 302 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: You'd think there might have been an uproar about that 303 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: had it come the other way. 304 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: Right, Imagine Jim Acosta would like read a poem, which. 305 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: Is Mary Margaret Olhan who she's Daily Wire. She was 306 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: in the briefing room. She snapped a picture of people 307 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: kind of jostling and trying to find their seats. There 308 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: is a seat reserved now for a new media person, 309 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: which would new media is kind of like a passe 310 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: term at this point because it is media, which is 311 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: the point of this rearrangement. At any rate, there will 312 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: be a seat for one of these non traditional sources 313 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: in the room in the front, I believe. And there's 314 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: a great shot of like all the traditional outlet reporters 315 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: sort of trying to find their seats and looking around 316 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: disdainfully at people who are occupying seats who did not before. 317 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: And April Ryan's right in the middle just like annoyed 318 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: that this change has come upon them. But the fact is, 319 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: I love that she said we'll call you out right. 320 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: She didn't say we'll shut you up if you're lying 321 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: about it. She said we will counter that speech in 322 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: this room. I love that they're inviting more voices in. 323 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: And for those in the traditional media who are annoyed 324 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: by this, I would just say that the non traditional 325 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: outlets were three to five years ahead of you guys 326 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: on most of the ajor storylines of the past four 327 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: or five years. COVID school closings, the lab leak theory, 328 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: Biden's dementia, just to mention a few, right, so perhaps 329 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: they belong there. 330 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Kaliza had a whole thread the other day 331 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: about how how he got the lab leak theory wrong 332 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: and why he trusted Fauci over Donald Trump. And it's 333 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 2: like it's too late for this, like you should have 334 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 2: figured this out years ago, and you know, it's just 335 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 2: it's sad to watch. But look these new media outlets again, 336 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 2: You're right, the new media name, I mean Daily Wire 337 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: is not new anymore. They've been around for a long 338 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: long time. They get a lot more eyeballs and listeners 339 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 2: than the traditional media outlets in a lot of cases. 340 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 2: So why shouldn't the White House try to talk to 341 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: as many people as they can in as many different 342 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: avenues as they can. Why should they limit themselves to 343 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: only a few outlets? And I would say this is 344 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: an issue for any future Democrat president. Also, why would 345 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: you want to limit yourself to CNN and MSNBC and 346 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: watching posts like you already have their vote? Why not 347 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: try for others. 348 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: It is interesting because it does seem to have thrown 349 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: off the mainstream media. I've been watching like Stephen Miller 350 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: argue with anchors about immigration, and they're using all the 351 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: same arguments that they used for years, like which essentially 352 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: at this point amounts to life, but who will pick 353 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: our crops? It's a very strangely racist argument. Yeah, there was. 354 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: There was literally a woman on CNN, a Democratic strategist 355 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: yesterday saying to Scott Jennings, I can't wait until women 356 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: can't get liberries for the Smith's And I was like, girl, 357 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: this is not this is not the argument, so like 358 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: the enlightened liberal argument that you think it is, And 359 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: yet she made it, And I think they're just running 360 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: into no pun intended a wall right in making the 361 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: old arguments, and they don't stick. And people like Advance 362 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: are not backing off when they present these arguments to them. 363 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: They're actually making a proactive argument that protecting people from 364 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: illegal immigration is actually important, more important even than your smoothie. 365 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: Yes. And Stephen Miller, when in talking to Jake Tapper, 366 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 2: said he was that the president supported a guest worker program. 367 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: So if you want to know who's going to pick 368 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: the blueberries, the guest workers that are vetted and invited 369 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: in and given protections, they're going to. 370 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: Pick the blueberries. 371 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: So don't worry your blueberries will make it into that smoothie. 372 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: Well, and that's the arc, by the way, of the 373 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: moderate on immigration to a hawk on immigration is somebody 374 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: who used to go, like, yeah, guest worker programs in 375 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: a formalized, real sense is probably something we need and 376 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: is beneficial, and it's a capitalist exchange where everyone's getting 377 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: something out of it. Then you do the last four 378 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: years where you add tens of millions of people without vetting. Yeah, 379 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: and as Steven Miller points out, they are not largely 380 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: agricultural workers in America's cities, and you go, na, I 381 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: got to put my foot down on this. 382 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: That's right. When I was at the border in March, 383 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: I met farmers who cannot attract anybody for their farms 384 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: from the not that they want illegal immigrants working for them, 385 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: because they really don't. They want a legal process, but 386 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 2: they're saying nobody's coming to their farms to be like, 387 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 2: can I pick your blueberries? It's not really blueberries down there. 388 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: But the point is that all of this batch of 389 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: the last four years are moving towards cities where they're 390 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: getting services for free and cash cards and free hotel 391 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: stays and all of that, and they're not interested in 392 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: being in the fields and that's not at all what 393 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 2: they're coming for anymore. So that argument just also just 394 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: doesn't work anymore. And with guest worker programs, we can 395 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 2: attract the people that we do actually need, and if 396 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 2: we need to fill certain roles, people in other countries 397 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: could come and fill them. And it's also it's different 398 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 2: from the HB one program, which is a longer program. 399 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: This could be seasonal. So you know, there's a lot 400 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 2: of answers here, and I think the Trump administration is 401 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: actually providing those answers, and it's baffling the news media. 402 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: No, that is actually part of it is so different 403 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: from what was happening for four years. Tom Holman's walking 404 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: around in the streets just like, yeah, throw anything at me. 405 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: And I truly think, no matter what you think of 406 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and his policies, if you are a person 407 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: of the left, particularly a person in the press, you 408 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: must acknowledge that having a sentient executive and a bunch 409 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: of people who talk to the public and the press 410 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: incessantly is an obvious upbraide, like just on its face. Ye. 411 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: And I do think it's kind of throwing people a 412 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: little yeah. 413 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 2: And I don't think that the people who are like, oh, 414 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 2: you know, when Trump is president, I have to like 415 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 2: focus on politics. Now you don't have to. It's just yeah, 416 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 2: you get to hear about a lot more inner workings 417 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 2: of the White House. Now, say thank you. 418 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Transparency good, accessibility good. 419 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right 420 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 2: back with normally. 421 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: I have one last story. Have you heard about the 422 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: email sent around offering federal workers a BUYO fork in 423 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: the road? Yeah, fork in the road. It is actually 424 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: seems as if it was modeled on the Twitter offer 425 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: of a similar type, and it says basically like, hey, look, 426 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: we've asked that you come back to the office. We've 427 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: asked that you focus on these levels of performance. If 428 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: you are committed to those things and you want to 429 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: stick around, great, If you don't, please email us with 430 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: resign in the subject head, and then you get eight 431 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: months of severance and you can be on your way 432 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: right now. As a friend of mine's other day, shock 433 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: and awe in these realms can come with some unintended 434 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: content sequences like that's just part of this. If you're 435 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 1: going to Javier Malay the thing and make sweeping changes, 436 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: things can happen. However, I think this is like a 437 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: very fair way to deal with federal workers. I'm I 438 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: don't know how the public relations of this go right, 439 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 1: but I think that a lot of people, normal people, 440 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: are going to learn that federal workers haven't been at 441 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: their jobs for five years, and they're going to learn 442 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: that they're offered eight months severance severance which I've never 443 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: received in my life. They're going to learn that they 444 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: have civil service protections that are greater than anything a 445 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: private sector worker has, and they might wonder like, huh, 446 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: why do they get that? Right, And I don't get that. 447 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: And if they quit and the government's able to fully 448 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: function without them, why did we need them in the 449 00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: first place. 450 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: And if they quit, we're interested in quitting just by definition, right, 451 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: I think this point, Josh Barrow says, And look, I 452 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: think there's some truth into this. There's a possibility of 453 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: colonel truth in this, he says. I think it might 454 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: be a big political mistake if they're going to accept 455 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: all the resignations tendered. Who knows what agencies will end 456 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 1: up with, what staffing, what will passport weight times, IRS, 457 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: phone hold times, NPS facility available b in a few months. 458 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: But here's what these critiques always miss. You have to 459 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: evaluate where we currently stand. And these agencies have been 460 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: running on a COVID schedule since twenty twenty. Yeah, passport 461 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: wait times aren't good. 462 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all going to be news to people. 463 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: I think, No, Yeah, I'm not sure that you're gonna 464 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 1: get a fall off in these ways because we've been 465 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: at a very low bar for a very low for 466 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,439 Speaker 1: a very long time, and is why people's trust in 467 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: the federal government is extremely low. 468 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: And you know, they all made the same arguments about Twitter, 469 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: like Twitter is going to collapse in a few days 470 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: because all the engineers left, and then it just kept 471 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: running and everything was fine. But this was a common 472 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 2: thread in the early days of Elon owning Twitter, where 473 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: he fired all these people who he said were unnecessary, 474 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: the British people. Actually, you know what they call it 475 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: layoffs made redundant, And that's really what he did. He 476 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 2: made them redundant, and nothing bad happened. Really, Twitter actually 477 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: has only thrived since then. It's thrown and even with 478 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 2: all the people leaving for Blue Sky, somehow it still 479 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: continues to attract all the top opinion makers. 480 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, and as yet another example of the entitlement 481 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: of federal workers that people will be learning about through 482 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,159 Speaker 1: this process, a lawsuit has been brought by two federal 483 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: employees alleging that the Trump administration shouldn't be able to 484 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: email all of them. 485 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 2: Yeah those are gen z, aren't they? 486 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: So you allege that your boss should not be able 487 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: to send a system wide email. That's a federal lawsuit 488 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,679 Speaker 1: that has been brought a lawsuit because they claim that 489 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: they need a privacy assessment done before their boss can 490 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: email them. 491 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 2: Right. And you know, it's also funny because the left 492 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: is left is left to argue that this eight month 493 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 2: severance is a waste of government money. Yeah, they're like, 494 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 2: this isn't cutting down and spending. You have to pay 495 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: these people for eight months? Like, how is this good? Well, 496 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: I mean they've done the calculations right, they can figure 497 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 2: out that you pay them for eight months and not 498 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: the next twenty five years. It sort of works. 499 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: Out, yes, exactly, as they're upping their pensions while they're there, 500 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: And there are plenty of people who actually do good work, 501 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: and those people are being offered the ability to stay right. 502 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: So I think this is actually kind of a very 503 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: clever way they're doing this thus far. Ye, And I 504 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: think that in the PR battle, which there will be one, 505 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: many people will learn new things about how the federal 506 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,239 Speaker 1: government's workforce works or doesn't work, and they will have 507 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: questions about that, perhaps more than they have questions about 508 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: the new rules. 509 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to all of that, and I hope 510 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 2: that the Trump administration does focus on that because I 511 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: think a lot of people just don't understand how much 512 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: waste is in our government and how much we could 513 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: cut and how much we should cut, and how much 514 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: all of this is going to be better in the 515 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: end for all of us. 516 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: Well and Carolyn Levitt repeatedly hit and I think it's 517 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: smart because it's a great way of framing this that 518 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: they care about the money sent to them by the 519 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: taxpayers of the US. And if you don't do something 520 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: about this, you don't care about that money. You're treating 521 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 1: that money irresponsibly. 522 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: It's a great way to phrase it. I love it. 523 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, 524 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 2: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts with 525 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: us at normallythepot at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening, 526 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: and when things get weird, act normally