WEBVTT - Like, here's the episode on "like"

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>should Know. Another linguistic, fantastic, gigantic addition devisive. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>really though, I mean, if you're standing up against the

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<v Speaker 2>use or over use of the word like, just take

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<v Speaker 2>your head out of the hole and look around and

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<v Speaker 2>see other things that are really worth your time and

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<v Speaker 2>effort and attention and energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've gotten the random email here and there, and

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, we're talking about the word like, not

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<v Speaker 1>as in, like you said, although we're going to cover

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<v Speaker 1>all the you know, supposedly proper uses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Also we're going to accidentally use like or unconsciously

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<v Speaker 2>use it, and this is going to be a really

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<v Speaker 2>confusing episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's how people talk for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not just young girls. As we'll see, that's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a sexist thing to think, in a misnomer.

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<v Speaker 1>We all do it generally, unless you are one of

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<v Speaker 1>those people who thinks that it debases the human language

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<v Speaker 1>and speech and you have taken a real stand against it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, godspeed If that's the hell you want to

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<v Speaker 1>die on. But like, it ain't mine.

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<v Speaker 2>No, some people get so into it they throw cow's

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<v Speaker 2>blood on people on the street when they use the word.

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<v Speaker 2>Like So, Chuck, let's talk about the word like itself,

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<v Speaker 2>because there is like plenty of oh my god, I

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<v Speaker 2>just did it. There is plenty of good usage or

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<v Speaker 2>accepted usage of it that's not controversial at all, which

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense because it's been with us for a really

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<v Speaker 2>long time. Apparently like goes all the way back to

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<v Speaker 2>old English. That's some old English, right, eight ball eight hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a word called gel it geliched, and I looked

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<v Speaker 2>it up. It is leitched, even though you'd think it

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<v Speaker 2>was lytched l i t c h that's how it's pronounced,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's spelled g e l i c jeelich and

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<v Speaker 2>basically yeah, and basically it meant with the body. Leich

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<v Speaker 2>meant body. Really it meant corpse. So that was the

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<v Speaker 2>like literal meaning of gel it jeeliched jelich.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, practically speaking, geeliched meant uh with the body

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<v Speaker 1>of and then eventually kind of similar to and then

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<v Speaker 1>over time, because language changes, thank goodness, we don't speak

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<v Speaker 1>called English anymore geliched that's even hard to say on

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<v Speaker 1>its own.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>That was shortened to just l I C, which I

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<v Speaker 1>guess would just be leich, And by then it had

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<v Speaker 1>lost the connection to corpse and body and became the

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<v Speaker 1>root of the word, as in similar to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, isn't that fascinating? It originally meant corpse, and it

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<v Speaker 2>meant related to the corpse, then it meant to with

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<v Speaker 2>the body over similar to, and then just similar boom

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<v Speaker 2>bam bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>And for a long long time it was used in

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<v Speaker 1>Old English like as a suffix, and then that carried

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<v Speaker 1>over like f O l C l i C would

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<v Speaker 1>have been I guess folk Folkleisch sounds German like folk

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<v Speaker 1>like in other words, folks see. But then, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Americans started using it like, you know, Josh looks angry

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<v Speaker 1>like or that person is saint like, and sometimes we

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<v Speaker 1>still use it like that, but in general we came

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<v Speaker 1>up with l y to stick on the end of

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<v Speaker 1>a word, to make it an adverb, and so we

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<v Speaker 1>got words like slowly and saintly instead of saint like

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<v Speaker 1>and slow like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so lee l y seems to be have a

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<v Speaker 2>ball into an abbreviation for like. It still means the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing, we just say it differently. It's abbreviated the

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<v Speaker 2>verb two like means like to be pleasing or sufficient.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, originally it operated and reversed. D've helped us with this,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, great job, Dave. But if you liked something,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't expressed as you like it. It was that

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<v Speaker 2>the thing you like likes you. There's an example from

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<v Speaker 2>the Two Gentlemen of Verona Shakespeare play, where one says

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<v Speaker 2>to the One character says to another, the music likes

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<v Speaker 2>you not, which means you don't like the music. And

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<v Speaker 2>then eventually everybody was like, we sound insane talking like this,

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<v Speaker 2>and made it the way that it should be, which

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<v Speaker 2>is how we say it today, which would just be

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<v Speaker 2>you don't like the music.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was other weird usages back then that that

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<v Speaker 1>have all since sort of gone away. Things earlier, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>up through the seventeenth century, you could say like her

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<v Speaker 1>or like us, light could use almost or nearly as

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<v Speaker 1>in like that play was so boring. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>fell asleep, like I almost fell asleep.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I believe in about the mid nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a pretty late on the scene, usage was

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<v Speaker 1>feel like like I feel like going bowling, as in

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in the mood to go bowling. I should have

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<v Speaker 1>said that likes me, right, bowling likes you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, since this has been around, what does for

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<v Speaker 2>probably close through a thousand years maybe more Old English

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<v Speaker 2>is around for a while, it's it's like has evolved,

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<v Speaker 2>but as far as words go, it's really really evolved,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's still evolving before our very eyes. But over

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<v Speaker 2>the years in modern English, some widely accepted grammatically correct

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<v Speaker 2>uses of like have come about. Only five don't even

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<v Speaker 2>try to go beyond that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are supposedly only five as a verb, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>meaning to enjoy. I don't think we have to explain

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<v Speaker 1>that as a noun. Like here is a list of

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<v Speaker 1>my likes, right, yeah, okay, my turn similar to which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like of the body.

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<v Speaker 2>The original version of like that's a preposition, so like

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<v Speaker 2>you smell like a wet dog, or there is an

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<v Speaker 2>example in here that looks like your spatula. What situation

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<v Speaker 2>would that arise in.

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<v Speaker 1>A chef cooking competition?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess so where it was stolen by the evil

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<v Speaker 2>chef and the friend like the wingman friend chef is like.

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<v Speaker 1>That looks like your spatula. Yeah, yeah, okay, we figured

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<v Speaker 1>it that.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel better.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we figured it out.

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<v Speaker 1>What else conjunction replacing as you know, like my dad

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<v Speaker 1>always said, don't bother me for advice.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh sorry, I was getting personal.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Josh always said, never trust family.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly the quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so those are those are the ones? Oh, there's

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<v Speaker 2>one more as a suffix, like remember we said Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Lye or something like that, like still hangs around in

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<v Speaker 2>some cases, like you wouldn't say that that guy's innocent

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<v Speaker 2>approach to nature is very childly. It's childlike. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but isn't that interesting that? I mean, the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could use one for in one instance but

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<v Speaker 2>not in another. They're not just interchangeable. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and childlike is not childish. Two different things there exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's no such thing as childly, I think, is

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<v Speaker 1>my larger point. That's pretty much the point of the

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<v Speaker 1>entire podcast, really, and my point is childlike is wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>and childish is awful.

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<v Speaker 3>True out, we should.

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<v Speaker 1>Do one on ish that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked it up. I wondered if that came from

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<v Speaker 2>lych or Leitch, and it doesn't. It's a it's an

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<v Speaker 2>even older word. I think that means from the country

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<v Speaker 2>over the origin of so you would be georgeish.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and now people, even my own daughter the other

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<v Speaker 1>day I asked her something and she went.

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<v Speaker 2>Ish, yeah, I'd be worth one for sure down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe a shorty okay, shortish?

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<v Speaker 3>A short like episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Should be a shortly episode? Should we take a breakley?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, surely, okay, let's do that now.

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<v Speaker 3>Very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I just got to say, this is getting pretty fun.

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<v Speaker 2>You knew it was gonna be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't know. Sure, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I figured we'd be slinging, slinging the slang and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where we come to now. Actually, good set up me.

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<v Speaker 1>The slang of like is where people people Some people

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<v Speaker 1>tend to get upset. It's interesting. Dave here says most

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<v Speaker 1>people believe that any use of like outside those acceptable

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<v Speaker 1>ways is meaningless. I would say some people. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think most people believe that at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I thought that was an odd, odd word to

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<v Speaker 2>use too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, come on, Dave, I can't tell you the last.

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<v Speaker 2>Time I ran into anybody who really had an issue

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<v Speaker 2>with it. We haven't gotten an email on it for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, but every once in a while some of

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<v Speaker 2>them write in and you could tell her just like

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<v Speaker 2>bleeding from their eyeballs, like they hate us so much

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<v Speaker 2>because we use the word like yeah, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>like I can't do anything for you, man, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna stop talking the way I talk for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sorry, the way it is, uh nothing personally.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course the slang that we're talking about though, that

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<v Speaker 1>people have a problem with, and these people are generally like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's biller. Uh, it's not even a word.

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<v Speaker 1>It's basically your um or you're uh, you're abusing it,

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<v Speaker 1>you're over using it. And some people even go so

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<v Speaker 1>far as to say it, like I mentioned earlier, like

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're destroying the English language.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So those people just, I guess, buckle up because

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<v Speaker 2>this is the part we're going into now, because it

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<v Speaker 2>turns out if you if you hang out with the

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<v Speaker 2>hip linguists, they will tell you man like like really

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<v Speaker 2>performs a lot of like really important functions. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>like exactly what they would say to you PhDs exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dave wrote up a little script. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to play Guy number one or Guy number two?

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to be Guy two.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's funny is this sounds like a conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>We would have it.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally does backstage at the mall. Yeah, all right, here

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<v Speaker 1>we go Guy number one.

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<v Speaker 3>That's me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Hey, Josh, have you seen what they're charging for

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<v Speaker 1>the new Jordans.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're like a million dollars, Like, who could

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<v Speaker 2>afford this stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're like two fifty at foot locker, which

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<v Speaker 1>is still crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I get that they're cool and everything, but if

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<v Speaker 2>I paid two hundred and fifty dollars for shoes, you

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<v Speaker 2>may would be like, we're getting a divorce and and scene.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna break this down, and I thought this

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty good way for Day to go about this.

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<v Speaker 1>So hats off to Dave. But we're gonna break this

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<v Speaker 1>down because every single use of the word, like in

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<v Speaker 1>that dramatic scene that we just portrayed for everyone when

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<v Speaker 1>do our TV show got canceled, they all have a use.

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<v Speaker 1>They all have a function, and those functions even have names.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true, And it's not like they made up

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<v Speaker 2>these names for like they said, these these terms, these

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<v Speaker 2>different kinds of grammatical usage that that make up a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of slang, especially in American spoken English. That's very important.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking almost exclusively here about spoken English. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>that like fills some of those those already established compartments.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, So what's first?

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<v Speaker 2>The first is the way that I think most people

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<v Speaker 2>who like deride like what they focus on the most,

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<v Speaker 2>which is called the quotative, technically a quotative complementizer, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which basically what you're saying that you're it sets up

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<v Speaker 2>an impression, a paraphrase of what another person had said.

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<v Speaker 2>Wood said might say, like like when I said Umi

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<v Speaker 2>would be like, we're getting a divorce. I'm not expecting

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<v Speaker 2>you to believe in that conversation that Umi told me

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<v Speaker 2>that she's going to divorce me if I spend two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty dollars on some air Jordan's, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know that the sentiment is generally true, maybe if a

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<v Speaker 2>little exaggerated. So what that like is doing right there

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<v Speaker 2>is signaling to you in conversation, Hey, I take what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying with the grain assaut. Here, I'm fudging a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, but I'm still just trying to get a

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<v Speaker 2>general point across.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And also Day points out it can also be

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<v Speaker 1>used to set up like a mimic or a like

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<v Speaker 1>an impression of the speaker. You didn't do it there

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<v Speaker 1>because you're respectful for U me right, But another gentleman

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<v Speaker 1>might say, you know, my wife would be like where

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<v Speaker 1>adding a device or something like that. It is used

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times to set up or like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say it was Sammy Davis Junior, Okay, Sammy would

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<v Speaker 1>Sammy would be like, I'm going to file tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 3>For divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>That was lovely. That was love like.

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<v Speaker 1>So the next thing we can talk about is the

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<v Speaker 1>approximate adverb usage in this scene. That is when it's

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<v Speaker 1>used and this is very very common. This is when

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<v Speaker 1>it's used to mean, you know, around pretty much more

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<v Speaker 1>or less just about. Like when I said I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're like two hundred and fifty dollars at foot locker.

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<v Speaker 1>That means, you know, there were two or three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>people there. There were like two or three hundred people there.

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<v Speaker 1>The bill was like seventy bucks or something. That means

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<v Speaker 1>you're rounding up or you're approximating something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again in this sense, too like signals to

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<v Speaker 2>the listen and they're like, hey, don't fully take what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying as fact. I'm not trying to be one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent accurate here, I'm trying to get a general

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<v Speaker 2>idea across that this is really expensive. I saw a

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<v Speaker 2>paper in the journal Autism and Developmental Language Impairments by

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<v Speaker 2>Jones Zaane Engrossman, twenty twenty two, red Hot still off

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<v Speaker 2>the presses, and they use this example of saying somebody

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<v Speaker 2>saying like, I have like one hundred pair of shoes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you could have forty pairs of shoes. And because you

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<v Speaker 2>use the word like, that still gets the point across,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're speaking, you're communicating in like a still essentially

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<v Speaker 2>an accurate way. What you're saying is I have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of shoes. Now it's actually sixty less than the

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<v Speaker 2>number I just threw up, but it doesn't matter because

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<v Speaker 2>forty is still a pretty big number. What Alike is

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<v Speaker 2>doing here is standing in for approximately, and in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>approximately wouldn't work because if you said I have approximately

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred shoes and you actually have forty, that number

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<v Speaker 2>is so way off that you're essentially either lying or

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<v Speaker 2>totally incorrect. Like scuttles all that and says, yeah, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>just just go with me here a little bit. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just saying I have a bunch of shoes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really covers your bases.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a legitimate function of conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>No, absolutely, I do want to poke Dave here just once,

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<v Speaker 1>because one example he used was the movie starts at

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<v Speaker 1>like two or three.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's the case, very important. You should be pretty specific.

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<v Speaker 1>Dave's always late, all right, what's next? We have the

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<v Speaker 1>discourse marker.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, this is pretty important too.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So this is probably something that you didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>that it was called this, but we all use discourse

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<v Speaker 1>markers all the time. He found another linguist name and Kurzan,

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<v Speaker 1>who has this analogy where it's like traffic discourse marker

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<v Speaker 1>is like a traffic signal or road sign that helps

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<v Speaker 1>you navigate spoken English, and like is very versatile in

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<v Speaker 1>this function because it can mean a bunch of different

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<v Speaker 1>things as a discourse marker, the first of which, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, it could be exaggeration. In this case of

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<v Speaker 1>our scene, I know, these Jordans are like a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's obviously not a million dollars, but it

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<v Speaker 1>sets it up as I'm clearly exaggerating.

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<v Speaker 2>It's similar to the pair of shoes thing too, where

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<v Speaker 2>if I said I know there are a million dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be like, no, I do not. It's a little high.

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<v Speaker 1>I am from Russia, in Mother Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>Air Jordan's by you in.

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<v Speaker 3>Russia music like you not.

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<v Speaker 1>It can use it can be used as a discourse

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<v Speaker 1>marker for emphasis in our scene. Have you seen have

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<v Speaker 1>you seen what they're charging for these new air Jordans,

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<v Speaker 1>So like just to emphasizes scene, and it just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of pumps up that like, hey, it's something outrageous is

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<v Speaker 1>about to come your way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Another one is like let me elaborate. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I think I said, like who can afford this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually elaborating on a previous sentence about how expensive

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<v Speaker 2>they are. So they're really expensive. Let me elaborate who

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<v Speaker 2>out there could afford this stuff? That's how expensive they are.

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<v Speaker 2>Just adding like right there cuts down on all that

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<v Speaker 2>extra fat, trims it like a packer in nineteen oh

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<v Speaker 2>six in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know there are probably people out there

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<v Speaker 1>that are saying, Well, you could drop the word like

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<v Speaker 1>in a lot of these instances, maybe not the million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars when and stuff like that, but you could say

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<v Speaker 1>in that sentence, who can afford this stuff? And I

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<v Speaker 1>get that, But that doesn't mean that putting like in

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<v Speaker 1>is bad necessarily right?

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<v Speaker 2>And who wants to sound like Larry David all the time?

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<v Speaker 2>Noboddy Larry David?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess what else?

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<v Speaker 3>What's surprise?

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny. It gets across surprise, but you have to

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<v Speaker 2>use it in a really unsurprised tone, yea for it

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<v Speaker 2>to be effective. So, for example, if if somebody you

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<v Speaker 2>would not expect showed up at a party and you went,

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<v Speaker 2>she's here, you can kind of get that across, like

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm really surprised that she's here, maybe a little

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<v Speaker 2>chill that she's here, she should not be here, that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. But if you say she's like here,

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<v Speaker 2>that really gets it across, gets it across a little better.

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<v Speaker 2>And but you have to you can't be like, she's

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<v Speaker 2>like here. That doesn't work. You have to tone it

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<v Speaker 2>down and do the opposite. And it's then it canvey surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating, it's amazing that that this is how we

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<v Speaker 2>talk and nobody's writing this stuff down. The linguists are

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<v Speaker 2>writing this stuff down from studying what people are doing

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<v Speaker 2>in real time and conversation. This is not part of

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<v Speaker 2>like the modern language associations like handbook.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>The last one we're going to talk about is as

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<v Speaker 1>a discourse particle. And this is the one. This is

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<v Speaker 1>this is the real bad guy as far as like

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<v Speaker 1>haters go, don't you think probably?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think this is I mean, this is the.

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<v Speaker 1>One that that that people will say is clearly just

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<v Speaker 1>inserted in there as biller. It is the one that

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<v Speaker 1>is infecting our language. Is this discourse particle use?

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<v Speaker 3>And that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the woman who wrote the book, Alexandra Darcy,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a linguist, said, I believe a PhD. I'm not mistaken,

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<v Speaker 1>said that using it as a discourse particle doesn't doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>change the meaning of a sentence necessarily, but it does

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<v Speaker 1>set a tone and operates in the interpersonal.

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<v Speaker 2>Realm exactly right. So, for example, if you are talking

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<v Speaker 2>about somebody who you just like they've made some bad

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<v Speaker 2>life choices or whatever, and you're expressing this to somebody else,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't want to make it sound like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't like that person, Like you want to express that

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<v Speaker 2>you still like that person, but they've made some bad

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<v Speaker 2>life choices and you're a little disappointed in that. You

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<v Speaker 2>could say two things. You could say, I love her,

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<v Speaker 2>but she's dumb. Right if you like you sound kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like a jerk. So what you can do is

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<v Speaker 2>use like you can pepper sentences, would like to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of pat it. For example, you would say like, I

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<v Speaker 2>love her, but she's like dumb. That it gets across

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<v Speaker 2>to the listener like, hey, I still care about this person.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really putting them down. I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get across some stuff that I'm just getting something off

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<v Speaker 2>my chest here between you and me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, it's sort of It works as a softener

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<v Speaker 1>like this example too. If someone asks you to go

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<v Speaker 1>do something like hey, Josh, you want to go to

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<v Speaker 1>dinner and you said sorry, I'm tired, that's like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Josh clearly doesn't want to have dinner with me. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you said sorry, I'm just like really tired, then

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<v Speaker 1>that just softens things. Like the interpretation is I would

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<v Speaker 1>really love to go to dinner with you. But I'm tired, correct,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't have to say all that other stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, it's so it's a softener. That's a really

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<v Speaker 2>great way to put it. I think that's how John

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<v Speaker 2>McCord put it the Linguist. And it also works in

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<v Speaker 2>reverse too, because it acts as as shielding, right, you're

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<v Speaker 2>shielding the other person's feelings. By adding those likes, you're saying, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't dislike you. I'm not trying to be mean here,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I know you're probably going to be disappointed,

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<v Speaker 2>so I want to just kind of get this information

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<v Speaker 2>across as gently as possible, and peppering it with likes

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<v Speaker 2>does that. But like I said, it works in reverse.

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<v Speaker 2>It shields the speaker too. In some cases, it acts

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<v Speaker 2>as a hedge to where you are saying, you're giving

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<v Speaker 2>yourself plausible deniability. You're not saying I'm one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>confident in what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure. But because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm adding like, it's hedging it so that if I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the end of the world. It's not that

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<v Speaker 2>much egg on my face. So if you were asking,

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<v Speaker 2>if somebody asked what you were or what you did

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<v Speaker 2>for a living and I didn't know I could say

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<v Speaker 2>I think like he's a podcaster, or I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>like a podcaster. That's like it just hedges it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, and and yeah, it protects the speaker in

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<v Speaker 2>this case rather than protects the receiver. But it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same function essentially.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we do that all the time when we're

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<v Speaker 1>just pulling something off the dum we're not sure about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but people still email in and tell me how wrong, wrong, wrong?

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<v Speaker 3>I am. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Alexandria Darcy would say that if you use like as

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<v Speaker 1>a discourse particle, then that means that you are emotionally intelligent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that means you have very much an awareness of who

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<v Speaker 1>you're speaking to and how your words are being received.

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<v Speaker 1>And there have been studies that have shown that when

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<v Speaker 1>people hear speech that do not have like or other

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<v Speaker 1>discourse particles, that and you know, as another one, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that people sound robotic and unfriendly and unnatural, and

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<v Speaker 1>that these discourse particles conversationally make people feel at ease.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like hard water and the likes are water softeners. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>It's the best I can come up with.

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<v Speaker 3>Should we take another break?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? We will be right back.

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<v Speaker 2>So Chuck. If you ask people, even people use the

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<v Speaker 2>word like, like, where did the use of like come from?

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<v Speaker 2>When did we start using like in English? Spoke in English?

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<v Speaker 2>Most people would give them the chance to think about it,

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<v Speaker 2>say Valley Girls. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Valley Girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Valley Girls are Teletubbies one of the two, and you'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, it wasn't Teletubbies. But also it wasn't Valley Girls.

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<v Speaker 2>Valley Girls popularized it, but we were using like way before.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the reasons why people think Valley Girls

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<v Speaker 2>is in part because of a nineteen eighty two song

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<v Speaker 2>by Frank Zappa that introduced Valley Girls to the United States. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>they were pretty much confined to the San Fernando Valley

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<v Speaker 2>until that Frank Zappa song came along.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, and this is, you know, part of

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<v Speaker 1>greater Los Angeles if you're not familiar. But in eighty

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<v Speaker 1>two he put up a song Valley Girl with his

0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:01.399
<v Speaker 1>daughter Moon Zappa, and it really, you know, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>mocked that way of speaking. The movie Valley Girl was

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<v Speaker 1>it was not for the movie. The movie came out

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<v Speaker 1>a year later, and that obviously made it even more

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<v Speaker 1>popular other movies like Fast Times Origemont High, and then

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<v Speaker 1>later in the nineties with Clueless, which brought other terms

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people hate, like whatever and as if.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you said, these things really popularize it. It

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<v Speaker 1>didn't invent it. And we know it because there's actual

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<v Speaker 1>proof if you go back even just a little while

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<v Speaker 1>and look at history of in the nineteen fifties and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixties with the beats and the heptalk or jive talk, bebop.

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<v Speaker 1>They were saying like crazy and writing it in their books.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So Dave gives some examples of bop talk or

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<v Speaker 2>jive talk or jazz talk. Crazy was one. We used

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<v Speaker 2>that a lot cool the top. That's reminds me of

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:06.479
<v Speaker 2>Meltormet gone as in gone Girl, dig hip. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he includes et cetera, which I didn't realize was bop talk.

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was Latin.

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<v Speaker 3>That's funny. You almost got me.

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<v Speaker 1>But they would use the word like a lot, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know that cat is like crazy, or you know,

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>like he is so square, or like I was really grooven.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they used it basically in the exact same way.

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<v Speaker 1>Approximate adverbs, discourse markers, and discourse particles, right.

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<v Speaker 3>The same way.

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<v Speaker 1>Valley Girls in the eighties used it in the same

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<v Speaker 1>way people of all stripes use it today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if you were into jazz at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>you were probably somewhat familiar of bop talk. But it

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<v Speaker 2>filtered into the Beats, who kind of introduced it to

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<v Speaker 2>an even wider audience in the United States. Likes it

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<v Speaker 2>pops up here there and on the road from Jack Kerouac.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know, at least as far back as the Beats,

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<v Speaker 2>and probably before that with jazz musicians in the forties,

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<v Speaker 2>like was used in the same slangy way that we

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<v Speaker 2>use it now, multiple ways we use it now, but

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<v Speaker 2>that the Valley Girls are the ones that seem to

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<v Speaker 2>have introduced or at least popularized that the latest version

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<v Speaker 2>or use of like, which is that quotative version where

0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:26.080
<v Speaker 2>it sets up a paraphrase quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think they did not find and you know,

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 1>they dug around. I believe that Darcy and her book

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<v Speaker 1>found uses in England in the nineteenth century where they

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<v Speaker 1>would use the word like in several different ways that

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<v Speaker 1>we use it now, But that one the what.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it called again?

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<v Speaker 2>What the quotative use.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, the quotative, that's the one that seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have really been truly born in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's probable or possible that Valley Girls did

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<v Speaker 2>not make that up, but it became part of valley

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 2>girl val speak, along with like gag me with the

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<v Speaker 2>spoon and totally tubular.

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<v Speaker 1>And all teenagers talk like that back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but apparently ground zero for it was the valley

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<v Speaker 2>that That's where it emerged from, at the very least,

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 2>that's where people thought that it emerged from. Like kids,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's that kids in Ohio weren't necessarily talking

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 2>like that. I know my sisters didn't talk like that

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<v Speaker 2>until those movies came out.

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<v Speaker 3>M I heard stuff like that. I think it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it popularized it, but I think teenagers were

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe not some of the particular phrases, but

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<v Speaker 1>the use of like you know was definitely around before

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<v Speaker 1>that movie. Okay, no, no, no, for sure, I mean popularly.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Okay, but most people point to or were exposed

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<v Speaker 2>to it from Valley Girls, not the movie. I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>like the concept, the social trend Valley.

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<v Speaker 1>Girls, right because of the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So, that's the one that most people associate with

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<v Speaker 2>Valley girls for a reason. They're the ones who popularize it.

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<v Speaker 2>But people blame valley girls for the whole use of

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<v Speaker 2>like in a lot of ways, and it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>translated since the early eighties into young girls. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to be valley girls. Like the idea is just

0:30:15.920 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 2>young girls talk like that. They're the ones who use

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<v Speaker 2>like all the time if they are infecting the language.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what some people think, and that apparently is not

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<v Speaker 2>just incorrect. Factually, it's pretty sexists in the way that

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<v Speaker 2>Disco Demolition Night riot where people were just going crazy

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<v Speaker 2>on disco records in Chicago was homophobic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and racists, Yeah for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, there's a history of that still

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<v Speaker 1>goes on today of sort of thinly veiled coded like

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay to like, it's not okay to to make

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<v Speaker 1>fun of someone because of you know, their age, or

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<v Speaker 1>because of their gender identity or their ethnicity or something,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's still generally okay to make fun of the

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<v Speaker 1>way someone might talk, and that oftentimes is coded in

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<v Speaker 1>this case for young women.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because kind of as a rule, the contributions the

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<v Speaker 2>intellectual contributions of young women in the United States are

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<v Speaker 2>not there's not a huge high emphasis on them. Traditionally

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<v Speaker 2>there hasn't been, especially among older men. They're very much

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<v Speaker 2>looked down upon. But again, you can't just be like

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<v Speaker 2>you're stupid because you're a twenty year old girl. But

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<v Speaker 2>you could say like, you sound really immature because you

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<v Speaker 2>use like a lot. It's still the same thing. You've

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<v Speaker 2>just found a different entree into devaluing that person's contributions

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<v Speaker 2>or that group's contributions.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, you need not look any further than

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<v Speaker 1>someone like Greta Thurnberg, you know, use like a lot. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just talking about when she first came on the

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<v Speaker 1>scene sort of all you heard about was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know this young girl, this young girl.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a rabble rouser.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's said, you know, generally derisively by a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people, generally older, older men in politics.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. Yeah, no, that's a great example of it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I said, factually, that doesn't make it's not accurate. And

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<v Speaker 2>our linguist heroes Darcy and Catherine Kinsler and others have

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<v Speaker 2>studied this. They actually do studies to find out who

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<v Speaker 2>actually uses like and they found that in general, just

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<v Speaker 2>using like, men and women use it with about the

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<v Speaker 2>same frequency. But when you dig down a little further,

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<v Speaker 2>you drill down into it to get into the real

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<v Speaker 2>granular meat of the whole subject, kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh six packer in Chicago with a really sharp

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<v Speaker 2>knife and tuberculosis. You find that there are distinctions between

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<v Speaker 2>age and gender that the use of like in different ways.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So what they found was for the approximate adverb form

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<v Speaker 1>meaning you know, almost or just about, men and women

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<v Speaker 1>use it equally, the discourse particle like the softener or

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<v Speaker 1>the interpersonal like, men actually use it more frequently than women.

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:28.520
<v Speaker 1>The discourse particle form like what's a good example there.

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<v Speaker 2>The discourse marker would be like emphasis, like have you seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, Yeah, that one. They found that women do

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<v Speaker 1>use it more frequently. The big one was the new

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<v Speaker 1>kid on the block in the eighties, a quotative complementizer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's such a stupid word, it really is. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>one that is significantly used more frequently by women than men.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So yeah, And also there's this idea that it's

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<v Speaker 2>just young the younger generations that use it in the

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 2>younger generations definitely use it more frequently and in more

0:34:05.360 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>interesting and diverse ways, but it still filters to other

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:14.959
<v Speaker 2>age groups. And there's apparently Darcy included some quotes from

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<v Speaker 2>Brits in their seventies to nineties who were using like

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<v Speaker 2>in ways that we recognize as the slang uses of like.

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<v Speaker 3>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them says a seventy five year old respondent

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<v Speaker 2>said they were just like sitting waiting to die. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you do a seventy five year old British woman impression?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so, Okay, Yeah, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>clear examples of people of a certain age using the

0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:47.799
<v Speaker 1>word like. The one again, the one big exception is

0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 1>a quotative like, which is supposedly women use or not supposedly.

0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess they found in their study use more than men.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's also almost exclusively used by younger people. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>younger people are always the ones that are changing language

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<v Speaker 1>and thinking up new words and trying out new usages

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>since the beginning of time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there's a larger question that we still haven't

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<v Speaker 2>fully answered, and that is, like, do the people who

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<v Speaker 2>hate like and say it's infecting the language they have

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:25.320
<v Speaker 2>a point and turns out the answers no, not really,

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.120
<v Speaker 2>they have some sort of weird personal vendetta which may

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<v Speaker 2>or may not be sexist in nature or agists at

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<v Speaker 2>least that if you look at how the word like

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.399
<v Speaker 2>is used, it provides all sorts of unique functions that

0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:44.840
<v Speaker 2>other words don't necessarily fill. Like Remember I said approximately

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<v Speaker 2>would work in some cases, but not in other cases,

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 2>like has carved, or we've used like to carve out

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<v Speaker 2>or fill voids that no other words had filled before

0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:58.920
<v Speaker 2>in spoken English language. And yes, it looks weird on paper,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're not talking about on paper. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>in a conversation. And like is a way people make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that you're with them still when they're talking to you,

0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 2>that you feel included, that your feelings are being acknowledged.

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 2>It provides all sorts of really interesting functions it does.

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<v Speaker 1>And in short, it's just the way people talk generally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, for sure, all right, Well, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>know more about like, to start listening, and you will

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 2>drive yourself mad. And if you don't feel like doing that,

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 2>just read some linguistic papers on it. There's some interesting

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:37.399
<v Speaker 2>stuff out there. And since I said that, it's time

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<v Speaker 2>for listener man, I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Call this Simpson's Clue.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay board game.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, just finished to the episode on Clue. I

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<v Speaker 1>am so excited to tell you this about the Simpsons

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<v Speaker 1>Clue board game. Maybe you sawt in your research, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is so on brand for you too. How to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure that you're aware of its existence? In the game,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Burns is murdered and the characters are March as

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<v Speaker 1>Missus Peacock, Homer as mister Green, Lisa as Miss Scarlett,

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<v Speaker 1>Bart as Professor Plum, Krusty as Colonel Mustard, and Smithers

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>as Missus White. Apparently this was later changed. The weapons

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>included Lisa's saxophone, plutonium, Rod Bart's slingshot, Lisa's necklace, extendo glove,

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<v Speaker 1>and a poisoned doughnut. The locations are obviously all around Springfield.

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<v Speaker 1>You got Mo's, the Retirement Castle, the Simpson's house, mister

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<v Speaker 1>Burns's office, and the Quickie Mart, and of course there

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<v Speaker 1>are lots of Easter eggs.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just so perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>As a kid that religiously watched The Simpsons reruns every night,

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<v Speaker 1>getting Simpson's Clue was the best birthday present I could

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<v Speaker 1>think of, and the only version I have ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for all the hours of entertainment and third

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<v Speaker 1>wheeling to your conversations or I guess fourth wheeling with Jerry.

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<v Speaker 3>I love you, guys. That is from Margaret Nihawk.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Margaret, that was a great email. I really feel

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<v Speaker 2>the urge to go out and buy.

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<v Speaker 3>The Simpsons Clue totally.

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