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Speaker 1: It's your boy, John Middlecoff little three and out podcasting.

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Speaker 1: Today we're actually gonna talk some college football. My guy Jackson,

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Speaker 1: who who you heard last year cough on campus, who

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Speaker 1: now started his intern. Jackson now is producer Jackson behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes with the crew of guys we have. He uh,

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Speaker 1: together some questions, some thoughts as we head in to

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Speaker 1: so far the biggest weekend yet in college football. We

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Speaker 1: got some massive games. We had a firing in Mike Gundy,

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Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney, John Mattiers injured. We just got a lot

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Speaker 1: going on in college obviously, some big some just massive

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Speaker 1: massive matchups in conference. You know Bamba Georgia, LSU, oll

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Speaker 1: miss you got Penn State, Oregon, you got TCU, ASU,

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Speaker 1: really good games. We're gonna do a lot of college

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Speaker 1: football for about forty five minutes hour maybe maybe it's

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Speaker 1: closer to an hour than forty five minutes. And then

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Speaker 1: I want to do a little mail bag as well.

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Speaker 1: football content. We will not have a live reaction on

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Speaker 1: YouTube Thursday night or podcast about anything regarding the Thursday

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Speaker 1: night game because I will be at the Ryder Cup

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Speaker 1: in New York City doing some business stuff. So Friday

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Speaker 1: will be Stucky, who I actually recorded with today, So

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Speaker 1: we kind of went over these games the lines. Definitely

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Speaker 1: the NFL games. We got our first international game with

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Speaker 1: the Steelers and the Vikings, so we will discuss that

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Speaker 1: on Friday. But before I dive in any football, I

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Speaker 1: the business. If I could go to one game this weekend,

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Speaker 1: it might be Dublin just because I've never been there

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Speaker 1: and seeing an NFL game, but it would probably be

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Speaker 1: a college game and I've never been to Georgia. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been to the state of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: So Georgia Bama'd be hard to beat. Oxford, Mississippi probably

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Speaker 1: a pretty incredible environment. Penn State, Me and a buddy

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Speaker 1: didn't get the opportunity to go to a game. State

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Speaker 1: college is cool. I would say, Penn State at night

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Speaker 1: I could go to TCU. Actually won't be in town.

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Speaker 1: I see him firing takes left and right. Jackson. You

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Speaker 1: that game was tough.

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Speaker 2: I knew right when that botch hold happened that that

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Speaker 2: It was an unsettling feeling to have Notre Dame lose

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Speaker 1: But Gundhy was the rare. I played there. I was

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Speaker 1: But he died in twenty nineteen. And he gave those

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Speaker 1: And I do think Big twelve when we saw Dillingham

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Speaker 1: very loyal to a school that he was like Pat Fitzgerald,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you were talking about how we'll probably never see

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Speaker 2: couple of names that came to mind that are today's

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Speaker 2: of ASU. But it's like what you're talking about with

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Speaker 2: all this money in the SEC, It's like, yeah, Kenny Dillingham,

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Speaker 2: and the more he talks about how he loves Arizona

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Speaker 2: well I can't. I can't turn down this offer from

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Speaker 2: Kenny Dillingham. But you've loved and want to build something.

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Speaker 2: I respect that Kenny Dillingham wanting to stay at ASU,

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Speaker 2: but long term, like we got to be real. If

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Speaker 1: I think both the other guys that you to Georgia

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Speaker 1: Out by Syracuse at home? Yeah? You know, he gave

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Speaker 2: The only thing I would say for Dabo, obviously, the

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, I feel like that's

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Speaker 1: really sucks for him. I mean because they I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say like national championship, but if if you're

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Speaker 1: an Oklahoma fanuely well, we got a high level defense

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Speaker 1: that translates and if our offense just solid with this quarterback,

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Speaker 1: why couldn't we be in like the final four. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you just lose all of a sudden, you lose

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Speaker 1: a Texas and he's not ready the next week. You

434
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Speaker 1: could just lose a couple of games in the SEC

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Speaker 1: and it's just too much to overcome when he does

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Speaker 1: come back, because they could they could easily lose a

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Speaker 1: game with him. I mean, hell, they had ten sacks

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Speaker 1: in the game. Was close last week. Now, Auburn, it

439
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Speaker 1: turns out, I think, is pretty solid this year, but

440
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Speaker 1: which was a really good win. They've had a couple

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Speaker 1: of really good wins at home, but they got some

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Speaker 1: tough road games and obviously the Texas game is just

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Speaker 1: the neutral site game. So who's our backup quarterback? The

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Speaker 1: little guy from last year?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's the sophomore Michael Hawkins junior, which I

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Speaker 2: kind of I mean, we talk about Arch playing bad

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Speaker 2: and how dominant Oklahoma's defense is this situation versus last

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Speaker 2: year Michael Hawkins junior, who's a sophomore and he's kind

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Speaker 2: of that same athletic, dual threat quarterback. He's in a

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Speaker 2: better situation this year because one, you got Ben Arbuckle,

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Speaker 2: who was a better play caller than what they had

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Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 1: Too.

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Speaker 2: When he was playing Texas, their top five wide receivers

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Speaker 2: were hurt. So now you've got more wide receiver health

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Speaker 2: back this year. Your offensive line's improved now. The one

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Speaker 2: thing would be he played in Red River last year

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Speaker 2: against that Texas defense and he looked like he was

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Speaker 2: seeing ghosts, so that it was a trophy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very bad last year, so you hope

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Speaker 1: that he improves this year on that front.

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Speaker 2: But my biggest concern with them is they can't run

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Speaker 2: the football at all. I mean Jada Ott, the col transfer.

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Speaker 2: We talked in the preseason, how excited you know, Naggy

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Speaker 2: talking about this Cal transfer guy coming in and what

466
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Speaker 2: he did with Jayda Ott at Cal last year and

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Speaker 2: this year he's only had like nine carries for seventeen yards,

468
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Speaker 2: hasn't really played, so it's like you don't have a

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Speaker 2: running game. The compliment with Hawkins Junior, like, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: want to be able to run the football with him,

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Speaker 2: what MATERII was usage with Hawkins, but you can't run

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Speaker 2: the football with him, and you want to have a

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Speaker 2: quarterback that couldn't throw the ball at all against Texas,

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Speaker 2: had a couple throws maybe against Auburn. Like, it's just

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Speaker 2: kind of a skeptical situation for Oklahoma where Hawkins is

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Speaker 2: getting into a better situation, but like you're not helping

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Speaker 2: him in terms of the running game that you've had before.

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Speaker 2: So it's just kind of an all a puzzling situation

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Speaker 2: for Hawkins Junior. You just kind of hope and pray

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Speaker 2: that that I don't know, Matier gets back, but do

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Speaker 2: you want to rush him with the schedule you have

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Speaker 2: moving forward? It just kind of all becomes a puzzling

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Speaker 2: Six Oregon at three Penn State. The question is, will

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Speaker 1: The big one he's one in seventeen against top ten

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Speaker 1: moment you win one of those games, it's like that's

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Speaker 1: we can bitch and moan like, ah, he doesn't win

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Speaker 1: win the big game? And both those guys are bad examples,

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Speaker 1: because Kaitlin won a bunch of big games at Washington

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Speaker 1: beating you know, Dan Lanning and Kyle Whittingham and Steve

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Speaker 1: Sarkisi and obviously Kelly has won big games over the

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Speaker 1: years with Notre Dame. But this guy has been in

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Speaker 1: a program that has just pumped out NFL guys I

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Speaker 1: think we all think is really good, which is crazy

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Speaker 1: because they feel as good, if not better than last year.

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Speaker 1: And they're missing two guys. Abduel Carter and Tyler Warren

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Speaker 1: are like Locke first Team all rookie players, right, they're elite,

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Speaker 1: Both those two guys elite players. So you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not very often since Landing has been there, and honestly

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Speaker 1: since Mario did like Oregon has been like a legit,

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Speaker 1: we don't think you're gonna win this game. So it's

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Speaker 1: like kind of an easy spot for him to kind

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Speaker 1: of rally the troops if if if James Camp eventually

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Speaker 1: you're either gonna win a game like that or you

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Speaker 1: just maybe he's never going to It's gonna be one

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Speaker 1: of those gay you just can never beat anyone good.

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Speaker 1: So I got burned by them against you guys last

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Speaker 1: year when when Aler threw that there across his body.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. It's he plays in these games like

557
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Speaker 1: Ohio State last year. It's like he's right there, Notre Dame.

558
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Speaker 1: He's either winning or like he's down a touchdown, but

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Speaker 1: he's on the goal line. And then you look back,

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Speaker 1: You're like, how did he lose that game? Or how

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Speaker 1: did he not? How did they end up just running

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Speaker 1: out the clock and they didn't even score. It's last year.

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Speaker 1: Remember they they got stuffed at the goal line against

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Speaker 1: Ohio State and then Ohio State ran the ball out

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Speaker 1: against Oregon in the championship game. I remember they kind

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Speaker 1: of you could tell Oregon was better, which that's why

567
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Speaker 1: it was kind of ironic that then Oregon got curb

568
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Speaker 1: stomped against Ohio Say, they didn't even look like they

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Speaker 1: look like a different team. I mean, I want to

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Speaker 1: pick Penn State here, but I've been burned by him

571
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Speaker 1: a couple of times. It would be just a nice win,

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Speaker 1: everyone could exhale a little bit because then I think

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Speaker 1: they win this game, especially if they want it by

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Speaker 1: like a touchdown or more. And look, you know, the

575
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Speaker 1: buck the better team. I think a lot of people

576
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Speaker 1: would start being like, okay them, Miami, whoever, the cream

577
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Speaker 1: of the crop is in the SEC, like this is

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Speaker 1: the top three or four teams that can win the

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Speaker 1: national championship. And I think people are still hesitant on

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Speaker 1: Penn State. This is a huge game for them, This

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Speaker 1: is a big and that place is awesome right night

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Speaker 1: game white Out. I just think Oregon, it just doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel like very often they get to just kind of

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Speaker 1: like let it fly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I think if it's not now,

586
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Speaker 2: then when is it gonna be.

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Speaker 1: For James Franklin.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a quarterback coming in that hasn't

589
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Speaker 2: had a road environment, road game like this in his career.

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Speaker 2: So that's like the biggest question mark with Dante more

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Speaker 2: But you've seen him the last couple of games, even

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Speaker 2: though they haven't played anybody. Some of the placements on

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Speaker 2: these balls, the accuracy from him, he doesn't look like

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Speaker 2: will Stein and his ability to develop quarterbacks is pretty insane,

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Speaker 2: Like he's one of the more underrated coaches in college football.

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Speaker 1: And they got a freshman at wide.

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Speaker 2: Receiver, so you wonder how he's gonna adapt against Penn

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Speaker 2: State's defense.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, like a whiteout game, they're coming

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Speaker 1: off of a bye week. Oregon's not.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, man, this Oregon team and how

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Speaker 2: talented they are in the trenches on both sides, and

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Speaker 2: Dan Lanning's ability to recruit. Like, you're right, the pressures

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Speaker 2: all on James Franklin. You'd rather win this game versus

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Speaker 2: having to win a must win at Ohio State, something

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Speaker 2: they haven't done since twenty eleven, something that even James

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Speaker 2: Franklin hasn't even done even when they had Saquon And

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Speaker 2: you know, all those studs on offense, they still are

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Speaker 2: not able to You talk about that game too, when

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Speaker 2: when JT Barrett the last second through that pass, I

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Speaker 2: forget to who, maybe Garrett Wilson or Terry McLaurin. But this,

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Speaker 2: to me, you're right, it's the biggest, biggest game for

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Speaker 2: Penn State. I kind of would love to see Oregon

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Speaker 2: win this game, to see the panic of James Franklin,

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Speaker 2: see how much sleepy can't get for the rest of

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Speaker 2: the season.

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Speaker 1: If they do is this football game.

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Speaker 2: But watch out for Oregon's got some studs that Kenya

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Speaker 2: Sadik the tight end out of Oregon. He'll be a

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Speaker 2: guy that's playing on Sundays. He could be a guy

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Speaker 2: that explodes and opens up the running game for Oregon.

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Speaker 1: I think the problem whoever loses this game is throughout

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Speaker 1: tie game against Rutgers fourth quarter, and every once in

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Speaker 1: a while, remember I think iowall beat one of the

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer teams. Like there are big, big upsets in

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Speaker 1: these big conferences because it's hard to play your best

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Speaker 1: football twelve weeks. But even if you get upset, if

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Speaker 1: you're Penn State and you win this game, it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you lose. Let's say you lose a random game to

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Speaker 1: one of these teams on the road that you probably

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Speaker 1: are a big favorite. We don't we Oh, you just

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Speaker 1: didn't take him as seriously, but we take you seriously.

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Speaker 1: We know what your ceiling is. This is a really

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Speaker 1: want to like him, but I'm with you. I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, Lanning got something pretty special there. And the

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Speaker 1: thing with more is athletically arm strength, Like he's an

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Speaker 1: to the table. No one remembers watching him a couple

643
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: of years ago with Chip Kelly's offense, and he was atrocious,

644
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: but he was thrown in on a bad team in

645
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: a year when the Pac twelve was good, you know,

646
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: and he got it went bad and then he kind

647
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: of got it's pretty rare to go to Oregon. Reset.

648
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: He was supposed to go to Oregon out of high school.

649
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: He was a huge recruit, and then Chip somehow flipped

650
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: him because I think he realized I could start there

651
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: and he got to kind of sit behind Dylan Gabriel

652
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: last year. And by all accounts, I mean, it's crazy

653
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,239
Speaker 1: how positive. Obviously he's playing well, but the way that

654
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: they've been talking about him really since the spring feels

655
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: like too.

656
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: A lot of top quarterbacks, you know, nuss Meyer arch

657
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: all this preseason hype on a bunch of quarterbacks haven't

658
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 2: been playing to the expectations. And a guy that's kind

659
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: of been under the radar that hasn't played as well

660
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 2: for as bad copy petition is Drew Aller, Like that's

661
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: another name for him. It's like, Okay, this is a

662
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: big game for you to kind of get that national spotlight.

663
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: What will this offense look? Like you mentioned Tyler Warren.

664
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: They're gonna be able to run the football with Allen

665
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: and Singleton. They ran for over three hundred yards against

666
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: pen against Oregon in the Big Ten championship game.

667
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: Still lost that game.

668
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: So I'm wondering, from from Penn State's offensive standpoint, are

669
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: they gonna be able to throw against Oregon?

670
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: Like? Are these transfer wide receivers they're gonna mesh well?

671
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: Because it's easy to mesh well against FYU, Villanova and

672
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: all these teams.

673
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 1: But worth third and eight, how are you? What are

674
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: you gonna do?

675
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: You know against his Oregon defense and Drew Aller Like,

676
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: this is like a showtime type of game for him

677
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: in terms of an NFL draft standpoint, I don't know

678
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: where you stand on him, but this is like a

679
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: proven game for him when all the other quarterbacks are

680
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: kind of down.

681
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: This has got a Heisman type of moment for both quarterbacks. Yeah.

682
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, he's got three or four games

683
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: this year, they're gonna find his draft status because no

684
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: one cares what he did against FIU or Nevada, what

685
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: he does against Oregon, what he does against Ohio State.

686
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: If they make the conference championship game, and then and

687
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: then the playoff games he plays well, I mean, he's

688
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a top ten to fifteen pick right because

689
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: the measurables, the arm strength, the improvement that he's made

690
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: over a three years period. So I think there's a

691
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: lot of Now he shits the bed, all of a sudden,

692
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: he could disappear, and he can disappear fast, you know.

693
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: So it's I don't know. He makes me nervous speaking

694
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: of should the bed and possibly disappear in A guy

695
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: that not too hot in Alabama right now? Is Kaylan

696
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: de Boor.

697
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: They go into Georgia seventeen Alabama at five Georgia. The

698
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: question is, can Kaylen de Boor finally win a big

699
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: road game. He's one to zero against Kirby Smart, Kirby

700
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: Smart's one in six against Alabama all the time.

701
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: Or will Georgia's longest home streak thirty three game win

702
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: streak continue to hold against Alabama. I will say this

703
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 1: the stanchion, the stink of the Florida State loss, I

704
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: think is worse because people expected Florida State to really

705
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: suck and I think Florida State is gonna be pretty good,

706
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: so I think that game could age pretty well. And listen,

707
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: they got their butt kick. The eye test was bad, right,

708
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: that was part of it. The eye test was like

709
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: kind of like the Ravens against the Lions, like you

710
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: kind of got worked. You know. It wasn't like one

711
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: hundred to nothing, but it was whatever. They walked by

712
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: a couple of touchdowns, but it looked worse in the

713
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: final score. I'll say this about Kaitlin, he beats good

714
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: coaches when he's gone head to head. We said this

715
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: with Landing with Kyle Whittingham. He's just last year with

716
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart like he's done really well in these type moments.

717
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: Now I don't really the young quarterback has looked better,

718
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: like the Alabama's clearly looked a lot better since they

719
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: played Florida State and now they haven't played anybody. You know,

720
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Georgia really got tested, like Georgia showed something like they

721
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: got like that win against Tennessee was impressive, like that

722
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: they easily could have lost, not only you know the

723
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: way it ended, but they were down what twenty one

724
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: seven on the road. You probably couldn't hear yourself think

725
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: that thing could have got away from them. So, you know,

726
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: the metal, the championship kind of mindset that Kirby brings,

727
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: it's sabing like so, I think there's probably more mentally

728
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: tough in Georgia. Like you said, you know, they're one

729
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: and six, you'd be like, well, Kirby's been there like

730
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: a decade. They don't play each other that often, Like

731
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: for a long time they were just playing each other

732
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: in the conference championship game. It's not like on a

733
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: yearly rotation like LSU. So it's hard, Like, you know,

734
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm so used to Bama LSU or LSU Florida or

735
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: Georgia Tennessee this this game when we do get it

736
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: in the regular season. We've got it back to back

737
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: years now. I think it was pretty stunning last year

738
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: the way it transpired. Now, I know they came storming

739
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: back and Carson Beck just started throwing bombs. I mean

740
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Russell Wilson. You just throw gill

741
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: rauts and post rides. You're gonna hit some and or

742
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: when you hit them, you can score touchdowns. And then

743
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: you could be down twenty eight points and all of

744
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's, you know, a one score game, but

745
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: like you're up twenty eight nothing on an opponent, like

746
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: they came out the gates. And that's the Kaylin dow

747
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: Boor thing. I remember when they beat uh when he

748
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: was at why shouldn't he beat Oregon in the PAC

749
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: twelve Championship. They start so fast. If Bama starts fast,

750
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: they're winning this game. I don't see Bama like down

751
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: seventeen to seven and coming back. But if you tell

752
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: me this is one of your Kailin du Boor's great

753
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: game plans, and it's like thirteen to three at the

754
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: end of the first quarter, obviously you have to hold on.

755
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: That's the way usually these games play out. But I

756
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: like Bama wins if they start fast. If they don't

757
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: and they're trailing, I'm out. You could argue live bet

758
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: this game if that's the way you want to take it.

759
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: But you know, with the Boor like they start fast

760
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: they did against in the chant in the final four

761
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: against Sark Like he jumps out to the Leeds because

762
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: his game plans. Him and Grub historically have been elite.

763
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it feels like when they don't start fast

764
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt Oklahoma, Tennessee last year, that's when they tend to

765
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: the effort defensive league gets gets weak, the self inflicted penalties.

766
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 2: The bor kinda is a little quiet pacing up down

767
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 2: the sideline.

768
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: Well, that's why he's not a raw raw like Kirby's

769
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,240
Speaker 1: a rally the troops guy. Right. These guys are crazy soobs,

770
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: the Hardbob Brothers, Dan Campbell, like Andy Reid bumping into

771
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, which isn't even Andy style. But he's got

772
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: it in his back pocket. That is Caylin de Borr

773
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: is not a yeller and a screamer. It's clear right,

774
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: he so to me. He's more of a slow, steady,

775
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: offensive cerebral mind, which he gets ahead of you then

776
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: he starts working his magic. He's behind Kirby fine, right,

777
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: Dabbo Historically when his teams were good, he has a

778
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: lot of juice. It's not really Brian Kelly, I don't

779
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: know if his screams are heard, but he'll start screaming

780
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: at you.

781
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'll be screaming a ton. That's one thing too

782
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: about this game. You know, we talked preseason about Alabama

783
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: and Georgia. The one thing that you can't really harsh on,

784
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 2: the biggest question mark for both teams was the quarterbacks.

785
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: Ty Simpsons looked impressive. It wasn't his fault against Florida State.

786
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: His offensive line basically got bullied and then Gunnar Stocked

787
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: in that fourth and eighth throw. He had the London

788
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 2: Humphries in that Tennessee game game on the line, absolute

789
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 2: dime over the shoulder throw. I think it's interesting to

790
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: see which quarterback. But more importantly, it seems like this

791
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: year for Georgia Alabama there's not a lot of buzz

792
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 2: on both sides of the offensive defensive line. And maybe

793
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 2: it was like last year around this time when Georgia

794
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: Alabama played is when we found out the names of

795
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: Mikel Williams and Jalen Walker and they kind of like

796
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: soared throughout the rest of the season. But it feels

797
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: like in this game, obviously, you know, the trenches battle,

798
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: whoever wins the trench is gonna win, but both offensive

799
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: lines and defensive lines are shaky, So you wonder, I

800
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: guess which quarterback is gonna perform and which who's gonna

801
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: kind of be dominant on both sides.

802
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: You know, you're probably deeper on the like the college

803
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: reddit boards and the and the rumors. I see the

804
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: the Landry Kiffin thing. But one thing I've heard people

805
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: say is Carson Beck wasn't that well liked toward the end,

806
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: Like the players didn't like him, and Gunner Stockton's like

807
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: one of the dudes, and that that was a big

808
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: like selling point this offseason. And it's like, well, why

809
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm watching Carson back in Miami. He actually looks fine, Like, yeah,

810
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: it might be a weird guy, might have all the

811
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: friends on the team, but like if you can if

812
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: you're better at football than this guy, it does give

813
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: you the better chance to win. And that's where it

814
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: was huge for Gunner Stockton in that Tennessee moment to

815
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: go on the road and win that game, because one

816
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: thing to be liked, you know, inevitably, it's like can

817
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: this guy help us win or not? And he made

818
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: huge plays and you know, people were very critical of

819
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: his greatest teams with Stetson Bennett, Like is this guy

820
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: good enough? This double walk on? Like what the hell

821
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: are we doing this? Georgia, Matt Stafford, Aaron Murray, Like,

822
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: guys you can draft really high. Even Carson Beck was

823
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: discussed like a number one overall pick Gunner Stockton. But

824
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: if he can, like you're not playing Tua right or

825
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts or one of his Bryce Young Like this

826
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: is Ty Simpson again? Solid player, But I mean, I

827
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: don't think anyone's viewing him a couple of games into

828
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: his career as like a top pick by any means.

829
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: He has more I would say, of like a Sets

830
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: of Bennet type feel to him. Yeah, that's a been

831
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: Remember in their championship game, had some incredible throws. So

832
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: he's still in the league. On the rams, the thirst

833
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: string quarterback. I just think that whoever, whatever quarterback, one

834
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: of these quarterbacks is gonna shit the bed in one

835
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: of these games. And I don't know who.

836
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: To your point, I feel like even Ty Simpson in Alabama,

837
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: Bryan Grubb and Kaylin de boor kind of a rally

838
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: around a guy like him that's a pocket passer versus

839
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe, and you know, maybe it was the offensive scheme,

840
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 2: maybe it was just Jayalen Milroe not be able to

841
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: read the short intermediate routes, but it felt like any

842
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: time that something wasn't open, Milroe was so like eager

843
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: to get out of the pocket and run. Whereas ty

844
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: Simpson has got a sat back, they've got a good

845
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 2: receiver trio. Like both sides have really good wide receivers

846
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: and tight ends. So that's what's gonna be fun about

847
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: this matchup is like you said, like who's gonna kind

848
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,479
Speaker 2: of step up between those two quarterbacks and who's gonna kind.

849
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 1: Of shit the bed?

850
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of answers for both teams, Like this

851
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: could go either way, but you just at Georgia at home.

852
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: It's just like it's tough for me not to root

853
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 2: for Georgia and lean Georgia.

854
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: There.

855
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 2: But another sec game lsu at Ole Miss you talked

856
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 2: about it Landry Kiffin, Lane Kiffin's daughter the week of

857
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a lame thing. I don't

858
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: know if Langer Kiffin wants to just kind of stir

859
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: the potter maybe get more fame because she's obviously been

860
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: the discussion the entire time.

861
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: Well, she hard launched with Weeks.

862
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: Who's the linebacker from LSU at eighteen tackles last year

863
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 2: against ole Miss?

864
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: One sack? This has kind of another game too, like

865
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: Alabama Georgia.

866
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get a lot of answers, but LSU more

867
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: importantly kind of fraud summer saint fraudulent. That game against

868
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: Clemson looked impressive on the road, but Clemson hasn't panned out.

869
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: Ole Miss is kind of you know, on the rise.

870
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: Can they expose LSU as pretenders? But this, to me,

871
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: the question for this game is LSU a legit playoff

872
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 2: national contender or will all Miss expose him as pretenders

873
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 2: in this matchup?

874
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: I would say if LSU is, they win this game

875
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: and their defense has been unreal offensively. I mean, a

876
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: couple of people thought that he was a top pick.

877
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if his skill set historically

878
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: is like a top ten pick, but he might just

879
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: be the best of this group in dus Meyer helps.

880
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: You know, he's clearly like a coaches kid, super smart,

881
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: but his skill set, you know, it's to me, it's

882
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: much closer to some of the average guys than it

883
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: is like the elite tools. Guys. Now, football is about

884
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: more than that, right, But I also think if you

885
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: know Lane wins this game, he would have beat Brian

886
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: Kelly to in the last three years when Brian has

887
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 1: NFL play, did he beat him last year? I forget. Yeah,

888
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 1: he's definitely over. He's kind of he's kind of he's

889
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: kinda owned Brian Kelly, right, and Brian's had Jaden Daniels

890
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: and nuss Meyer. And now it's one thing like he

891
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: loses Dart he's got this quarterback situation. But also, you

892
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: win this game, all of a sudden, to me, he

893
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: becomes the number one candidate if I'm Florida, right, And

894
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: then I think that kind of just builds on each

895
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: other on itself. You were telling me his documentaries coming out.

896
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: He clearly quit drinking. He looks fantastic, He's lost a

897
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: bunch of weight. He does feel like a different guy,

898
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: and there is no disputing like his offensive prowess now

899
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: because defensively they're clearly not as good, but scoring points,

900
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: he is dominated with different coordinators. A couple of years ago, right,

901
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: Levy was his OC. He's now at Missippi State. Like

902
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: Lane's really good. And I'm sure he gets this from

903
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: his dad. He's been around football is while life, putting

904
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: together staffs, different guys. I just think you win this

905
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: game complete ownage over Brian Kelly. And we just started

906
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: talking about this guy of Like, I don't know how

907
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: you'd argue that his status is one of the top coaches,

908
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: Like he's not coaching at Texas or Georgia or Ohio State,

909
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: Like this is a place that I think when he

910
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 1: won double digit games a couple of years ago, back

911
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: to back years, the first time it ever happened in the

912
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: history of the program. So and he's doing it, you know,

913
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: new transfer portal King or whatever he's known as. Uh.

914
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: I just have a hard time picking Lane against it.

915
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: Now at home, he's kind of been bitching this week

916
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: that the game's during the day. He's like, if we

917
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: were at LSU, you know, other thing would be a

918
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: night game, or at Georgia, you know, other thing's gonna

919
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: be a night game and they play here the sun's out.

920
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: But Lane's pretty good at doing those japs. That's why

921
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: if you told me, like did he tell her to

922
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: do that? To know, like his fan base would start

923
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: fucking with him. I think he's involved, you know, because

924
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 1: it's not like he doesn't know his daughter's dating or

925
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean anyone that follows the family on social media.

926
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: They're pretty tight knit group.

927
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: If he does this with I think one thing about

928
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: Lane Kivin that's underrated too is his ability to grab

929
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 2: quarterbacks out of everywhere, like their quarterback that's gonna play

930
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: this game. Not a lot of people know him. He

931
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: played the last two games against Tulane in Arkansas. But

932
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: his name's Trinidad Chambliss and he was a transfer from

933
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 2: Farris State Division two national champion. He's kind of coming

934
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: to the scene and he was He came in at

935
00:43:58,000 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 2: spring transfer portal and a bunch of people are like,

936
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: who's this guy from Paris State, who's this Division two guy?

937
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: Oh well, Austin Simmons is going to start. Nineteen year

938
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: old four star like he was the backup behind Jackson Dart.

939
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: He gets hurt against Kentucky, throws two interceptions. This Champleiss

940
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: guy comes in and the team around him, the fan

941
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: bases around him. Their offense looks a lot more explosive,

942
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: and he's kind of that dual threat. He's six to one.

943
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: He goes in and beats Brian Kelly. With this guy

944
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: a Division two transfer coming in he's only played two

945
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: games played Division two. Well you got Garrett Nussmer who

946
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: played all last year. He's had a rough start, but

947
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: he's got more you know, starts under his belt in

948
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: the SEC. Like you want to talk about stunting your

949
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 2: nuts on the SEC. And I don't know on Brian Kelly,

950
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: you with this big game, Oh my gosh.

951
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: Like I would say though, and I've been in part

952
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: of smaller schools at Cal Paul and Present State, you

953
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: do have guys that are playing there that could go

954
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: to a top program and be an immediate impact guy.

955
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's the one thing cool about the

956
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: transfer portal is you get like Jared Verse from Albany

957
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: going too Florida State or this situation where before he

958
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: probably just would have played at fair State right his

959
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: whole career and like some scout bangs the table and

960
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: he goes in the six or seventh round and you're like,

961
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: what who they draft? And nowadays, like that guy is

962
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 1: just like the D one Double A guys and the

963
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: D two guys. I know the way these personnel departments

964
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: would just give me who's the MVP of the league,

965
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: who's the stat leader. We should just get some evaluation

966
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: on him, see if it's worth it. And then Boomy

967
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: started dming them, and you don't know, I bet when

968
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: they did it, like they it was like this is

969
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: kind of a diamond. They didn't expect him to start

970
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: right because, like you said, Jackson Dart's backup, highly recruited guy.

971
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: But hey, if we can find a depth piece as

972
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback from Montana or Farris State or whatever,

973
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: let's do it. And that's what sucks about those little schools.

974
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: They never had to. If you're a fairri state twenty

975
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: years ago and you had a potential seventh round pick

976
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: or whatever, you didn't need to worry about some SEC

977
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: school calling him. That never happened.

978
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: That's one thing I do think it's cool about the

979
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 2: portal is this year's seeing it like John here went

980
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 2: from Washington State explodes, Joey Aguilar from as State to

981
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: Tennessee explodes this guy, Like, I think it is cool.

982
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: It sucks for the smallert too cool for the kids,

983
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: those guys, but it is cool, like to see those

984
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: guys get the opportunity and transfering and I just think overall,

985
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 2: like programs like ole Miss, programs like UH Oklahoma that

986
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: are going and experience these guys at smaller schools, even

987
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: Indiana with Fernando Mendoza and what they did with Curtis Rourke. Like,

988
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 2: experience is always gonna have an experience quarterback that's seen

989
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: a lot of football, no matter what the level is.

990
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: To your point about Division two, they're gonna have immediate

991
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: success versus a guy like Austin Simmons that, yeah, he

992
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: played against Georgia last year, had that sick drive, but

993
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 2: he's nineteen years old, Like it's gonna take him a

994
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: little developmental stuff to get to the level of Chambliss

995
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: LSU Wise, you saw LSU Brian Kelly break out about

996
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 2: after that Florida game they had five interceptions. The defense

997
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: has been outstanding with Blake Baker. You think you think

998
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: Brian Kelly this game with ole Miss, they can't their

999
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: rush if it's is horrible, Like the emphasis to run

1000
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: the football. It feels like for Brian Kelly to just

1001
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 2: get that monkey off his back. It's like, can we

1002
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: run the football against ole Miss? Am I just gonna

1003
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: get discussed about this the entire season, Like their offense

1004
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: has been kind of questionable, and you wonder if a

1005
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: game like this they can't get it going against Ole Miss,

1006
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,720
Speaker 2: if it's gonna go for the rest of the season.

1007
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, if their offense can't get go, and

1008
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 1: then they're not a national title contender. And I think

1009
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: there if they were to lose this game, you would

1010
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 1: start questioning, like are they are Like they could lose

1011
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,439
Speaker 1: other SEC games, you know that game against Bama would

1012
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: be hard. You would just start saying that I wouldn't

1013
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: trust them as much. What's crazy to me is lsu

1014
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: It felt like Louisiana always had like dbs D linemen

1015
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: running backs. How are they not just have some sweet

1016
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: running back? Yeah, I don't. I don't get it. You

1017
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: know what's it? Justice Haynes, the running back from Michigan.

1018
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: That was the transfer from Bama. That's the other thing,

1019
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 1: the transfer portal. You should be all over a guy

1020
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: or two to be able to land just a serviceable like, yeah,

1021
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: this guy's like a fifth round pick. I'm not even

1022
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: talking like second round pick. But they can't run the ball.

1023
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: Like that's a little concerning, which wouldn't you you're a

1024
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: notre Dame guy. I mean it always hung his hat

1025
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: on just running the ball down people's throats, a Notre Dame.

1026
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got two guys where you're right. I mean

1027
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: LSU went out on the portal for the first time.

1028
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: They grabbed a bunch of dbs, grabbed a bunch of receivers.

1029
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 2: And Durham is a good player, but it's almost like

1030
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 2: the offensive line has issues more than even Durham. So

1031
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:25,919
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you could pass the ball you want,

1032
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, like you said,

1033
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: you got to established the run.

1034
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Sabin said this forever when he transitioned over the last

1035
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: like six years. Is as the game changed. Even if

1036
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: you're the best defensive coach, and he clearly was, and

1037
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: you have great defensive players, you need to score points.

1038
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: In this modern day football, the way it's officiated, you

1039
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: can't just crush people over the middle. Your players get

1040
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: tossed out of games, so you can't intimidate as much physically.

1041
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: You got it. And what do they do? What did

1042
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 1: Alabama do under him? They got heavy, heavy on offense,

1043
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: like emphasized it more than ever. And you know, obviously

1044
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: LSU's offense a couple like if you put the Jay

1045
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: Daniels offense with this defense, I would say they would

1046
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: they would be the best team in the country. And

1047
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: that's where Miami is. Like their defense is elite and

1048
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: their offense looks good, but we don't see any like

1049
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: the elite offenses also have the good defenses. Everything's been

1050
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: a little off kilter, you would say the last couple

1051
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: of years with like a complete team Ohio State found

1052
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: at the end last year, Yeah, I agree, and that

1053
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: they were also pretty rare, right, They had like this

1054
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: really really experienced defense with all these like fourth and

1055
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: fifth year guys that have been there forever, and then

1056
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: the quarterback got hot and they had, you know, incredible

1057
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 1: offensive skill guys. The last question, there's not a team

1058
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: like that in the country. I would say that's like

1059
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: as good top to bottom as Ohio State. Right, Ohio

1060
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: State last year when they were playing well, is better

1061
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: than any team this year. I would say, Yeah, I agree,

1062
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: And that's what I think is great about this year.

1063
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: It feels more wide open than last year, which is

1064
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: kind of in good transition for the sixteen playoff. That's

1065
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: gonna get hopefully figured out in the offseason, and then

1066
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 1: that will probably go next year, which it's great. More football,

1067
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: the academic calendar, the transferportal. I don't know how it's

1068
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: gonna deal with.

1069
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 2: But the last question I got, last burning question, who,

1070
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 2: in your mind is the best team in the country

1071
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 2: right now after September, heading into Week five?

1072
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: Who do you think is the best team in college

1073
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,879
Speaker 1: football right now? From just a talent standpoint, you would

1074
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: say the most complete team would probably be Miami. But

1075
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: their coach, you know, of all these top guys, is

1076
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: the biggest wild card. I mean, we can talk shit

1077
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: about Brian Kelly or Kalin. I mean, those guys have

1078
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: won a lot more big games than this guy. This

1079
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: guy's blown a lot of them. And excellent recruiter. The

1080
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: guy knows talent. Give him credit on hiring this defensive coordinator.

1081
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: Their defense looks incredible. The Carson Becks thing, which I

1082
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: thought was a joke. I mean, it's been a pretty

1083
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,720
Speaker 1: good move for him. You know, it's not like Mario's

1084
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: cutting the check. Why does he care whether guy's making

1085
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: a million or four million? Not his problem, But like,

1086
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: do I trust that guy? Playoff game after playoff game

1087
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: after playoff game. Let's say what you want. Like I

1088
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: was down on Riot Day, but even going into the

1089
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: playoffs last year, like he had won big games before,

1090
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: right and Ben in a lot of big games, like

1091
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: Mario feels like he's lost every one of his big

1092
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: games up until this year. But they look pretty good

1093
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: right now. They definitely look pretty good, and you know,

1094
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 1: the ACC is not as hard, so they should be

1095
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: a little i would say, fresher than whatever SEC team

1096
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: or Big ten team that they face. They you know,

1097
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,240
Speaker 1: if they run the table or even go what twelve

1098
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: and one, assuming they win the a SEC championship game,

1099
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: they will get a bye. So and you got a

1100
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: defensive line like it's just like Carson Beack, Mario Cristobal,

1101
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: Like can you can you envision those guys on the

1102
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: podium January or whatever holding the trophy. That'd be pretty quiet.

1103
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: That'd be pretty nuts. Their odds are still high too.

1104
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 2: I think they're like plus fourteen hundred, So I think

1105
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: the sportsbooks are still even a little hesitant even though

1106
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 2: they look like the most complete team. In your point,

1107
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: I think the one question mark to your point about

1108
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: Mario cristoball and the coaching decisions. They haven't been on

1109
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: the road this season. They go at Florida State next week,

1110
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: So that's one of those games on the road. Tight

1111
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: game back and forth comes out of the wire, like

1112
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 2: how does Mario christ of ball? Does he make the

1113
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 2: correct coaching decision than what he did? I guess Syracuse

1114
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: last year when they probably should have went for it,

1115
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: they kicked the field goal and they ended up not

1116
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 2: getting the ball back for the rest of the game.

1117
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 2: So those little things like that's the one question mark

1118
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 2: I would have with Miami, but they look so complete,

1119
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: Like wasn't Georgia Was it Georgia Tech last year where

1120
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 2: they ran the ball, fumbled and then the dude drove

1121
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: and scored the need he had. He had one of

1122
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 2: those moments in Oregon too, he just had I guess

1123
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: part of it's probably a little unfair how critical we are,

1124
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: but he's had some historic last minute, like epic losses

1125
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: like that are of all the top teams. No, James

1126
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 2: Franklin has lost two good teams, but I don't remember

1127
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 2: like legendary losses like Mario has multiple of them at

1128
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: Oregon and obviously the one last year to Georgia Tech,

1129
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: he literally could have just kneeled it and.

1130
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: Won the game. Runs it fumbles and then the dude

1131
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: hits two passes and he loses. That was crazy. Now,

1132
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: in fairness, it's not like their team is gonna win

1133
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: Natty last year because their defense sucked and their defense

1134
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: is clearly a lot better. And that's the one area

1135
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: where you can just flip a switch, like Texas Tech

1136
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: or Miami buy the right players, buy the right coach.

1137
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: You can flip it way faster at the highest level

1138
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 1: LSU this year, would you know, I mean they the

1139
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator was there last year too. But you know,

1140
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: it's like you can just do it quicker than you

1141
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: used to where it's like, oh, we gotta wait for

1142
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: a couple of recruiting classes. It's like you wait one

1143
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 1: spring and you're like off and running. People in the

1144
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: comments are probably wondering, you know, why didn't you pick

1145
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: Ohio State? Why didn't you pick Georgia.

1146
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: I think Ohio State you talked about where you're gonna

1147
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 2: talk about it with Stucky that released on Friday.

1148
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: Ohio State at Washington that'll be kind of.

1149
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: A test with Julian saying going on the road, I

1150
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: think Georgia probably is the most impressive win so far

1151
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: at Tennessee the way they battled in.

1152
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: That football game.

1153
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 2: But what would you say, I guess to the people

1154
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: that are like, well, Ohio State, why aren't they the

1155
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 2: best team right now? Or Georgia or some other teams,

1156
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: It's kind of like you can't really pinpoint who's the

1157
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: best team right now, because, like you said, like now

1158
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: we're starting to get into conference play this weekend, we're

1159
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: gonna start to get answers, and then obviously in October

1160
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: November starts to play out.

1161
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: Like it just feels so wide open this year. That's

1162
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: what I think is cool. Like last year in basketball,

1163
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: remember is like four one seeds made the Final four,

1164
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: and for really most of the saban Era you kind

1165
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: of knew by now like top three or four teams.

1166
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: It does feel like, what the hell is the difference

1167
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: between Bama, Georgia, LSU, and Ole Miss. If you told

1168
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: me any one of those four were in the final four,

1169
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be stunned at all. Penn State, Oregon, Ohio State,

1170
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: if you told me any of those teams were rolling

1171
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: in the playoffs in the National Championship, would not be surprised.

1172
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: I just listened seven teams. I don't even factored in,

1173
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: like unlike last year. You know, it turns out Boise

1174
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: and even ASU they weren't Like Texas Tech has way

1175
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: more NFL guys, especially on defense than those two teams.

1176
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: It's like, why couldn't Texas Tech just take down like

1177
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: a Penn State in the second round, Like that's on

1178
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: the table Florida State, Like you said, they play each other.

1179
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: But if Florida State's good, I mean a couple of

1180
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: years ago they went thirteen and oh or I guess

1181
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: was yeah thirteen cause they won the conferencempionship and the

1182
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,240
Speaker 1: only reason they weren't in the champion or the final

1183
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: four was the quarterback shattered his leg. But now looking back,

1184
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: it's like, god, well the forty nine ers Ronardo Green,

1185
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: Starter Fisk and diverse Keon Coleman, like that that team

1186
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: was loaded with NFL guys to start on playoff teams,

1187
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: some of the best teams in the NFL. So you

1188
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: could argue it's like legitimate twelve deep and the team whatever,

1189
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: the non power forwar team, Like what a waste of

1190
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: a spot because that team's got no shot. It sucks.

1191
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 1: It sucks. I love South Florida. Great win at Florida.

1192
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: But you got rolled against Miami and to your point,

1193
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 2: like you even mentioned Indiana is better this year.

1194
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: What if Michigan gets in at ten and two?

1195
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: They look better with Bryce Underwood, with Shroll Moore, I

1196
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 2: don't know how good of a coach.

1197
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: I think the Big Ten. I think the Big Ten

1198
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: the last couple of years with the n IL like

1199
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: watching we were talking about like Wreckers, Iowa is clearly better.

1200
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: It's just deeper. You know that. The SEC used to

1201
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: always say that, like, oh yeah, you guys got Ohio

1202
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: State or Michigan if they're good, right, your top teams

1203
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: are as good as ours, but like three through eight,

1204
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: like it's way harder to play Ole miss right or

1205
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: even a shitty floor to team like buckle Up. I

1206
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: feel like the Big Ten is pretty good. I mean,

1207
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: watching Rutgers is not bad, right, Iowa their offense, but

1208
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 1: they are a tough team to play, like Minnesota is

1209
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna be solid. Obviously adding Washington and now the USC

1210
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: is clearly better. I think the Big Tens the last

1211
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: eighteen months is better than it has been in terms

1212
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 1: of the aggregate the whole. That's Notre Dame. I mean,

1213
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: I think if Notre Dame runs the table. They're clearly

1214
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 1: I mean, they lost two teams that are probably gonna

1215
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: go win a combine twenty twenty one games.

1216
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,720
Speaker 2: I feel like they might have to join a conference

1217
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 2: soon though, Well they're going to yeah, Big ten, Big

1218
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: ten or SEC.

1219
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: Do you think it even matters?

1220
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 2: I know, the SEC the ACC are doing this, which

1221
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 2: I like, the non conference game and them having I

1222
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 2: don't know if it's gonna be the middle of the

1223
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,240
Speaker 2: season or beginning, but they're gonna have to play another conference.

1224
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 2: Do you think it matters that which conference is better

1225
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: in college football? Because I guess that's kind of a

1226
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: way for the CFP. If you get an advantage in

1227
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: terms of more teams, you get more money. It just

1228
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: seems like every day we always talk back and forth

1229
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: Big ten versus SEC, where I'm like, does it really

1230
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 2: does it really matter or it's just kind of bragging rights.

1231
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,439
Speaker 1: I guess, well, I think the current way it does

1232
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: with the twelve teams, perception matters a lot. So it's

1233
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: like the ACC and the Big twelve, especially the perception

1234
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: that their conference isn't as good, like, oh, there's getting

1235
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: one team. It's kind of like universally accepted the ACC

1236
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: Like it would take Florida and Miami, Florida State and

1237
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Miami basically being they can only lose to each other

1238
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: and then win every other game and then the other

1239
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: team would have to beat that team in the conference

1240
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: championship game. But we don't talk about that, like with

1241
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: the Big Ten, even Indiana once they beat ill tonoi'say oh,

1242
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: maybe Indiana's real again. So I think that and they

1243
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: both those conferences have earned it. But I do think

1244
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: the perception really really matters and it's correct, Like I

1245
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: do believe the Big Ten and the SEC are better

1246
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: than the other two, Like the Big twelve is clearly

1247
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: to me, like Texas Tech is probably pretty good. We'll

1248
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: see TCUASU, but there is a drop off, like when

1249
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: I watch Colorado, Like how many games would Colorado win

1250
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: if you put them in the Big ten or the SEC?

1251
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: Like I don't think they would go to bowl games

1252
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: and who knows. We'll see what their final record is

1253
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: this year. I mean they might be struggling to get

1254
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: six to seven wins, but like that's where the middle

1255
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 1: tier team, Like let's say Colorado wins six seven games,

1256
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: Like are they going six or seven games and they're

1257
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: playing the SEC. No shot, And that's I'm just I'm

1258
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 1: not picking on Dion. You could use I could use

1259
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: ASU the same thing. If I put this ASU team

1260
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: in the SEC or the Big ten, like they might

1261
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: go ten and two or nine to three this year?

1262
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: Well they I saw him lose Tossissippi State on the road, right,

1263
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: So what would happen when they like what would they

1264
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: do against Florida's defense? Who's you know, who knows Florida

1265
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:49,959
Speaker 1: might tap out here in a week or two because

1266
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: their coach gets fired. But like, would you say if

1267
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 1: ASU had to go on the road to Florida this year,

1268
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: like they would score many points against that defense? Probably not?

1269
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: That's that's no shot at ASU. I mean Florida's but

1270
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: that's the SEC. It's like I bet if I texted

1271
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: the NFL buddy, like how many NFL guys does Florida

1272
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: have on defense? He'd be like that are upper classmen

1273
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: or lower classmen? Because probably ten out of eleven guys

1274
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: when you factor in like when they're eligible, right, And

1275
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: that you can't say that about That's what you can't

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Speaker 1: say about the Big twelve or the ACC. But I

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00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: actually think the ACC. If Cows, I don't know, think

1278
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 1: he just los stan Aego State's probably a little better.

1279
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Speaker 1: So I would rank the ACC slightly above the Big Twelve.

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00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: And maybe I'm just giving more credit to like Miami

1281
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: Florida State. I mean, Georgia Tech clearly pretty good. Yeah,

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00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: I think the Big Twelve.

1283
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: I think it's good for college football that we have

1284
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: one conference that's got a bunch of teams that's competitive.

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Speaker 1: You got eight teams deep. Like you talk TC Arizona State,

1286
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 1: it's a fun team, it's a fun conference a watch. Yeah,

1287
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: But if you're the commissioner and he's been super outspoken

1288
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: that they want to get multiple teams in the playoff,

1289
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to hope that Arizona State is somehow,

1290
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: some way not the booster of the level of Texas Tech.

1291
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: But you gotta hope that Arizona State somehow gets a

1292
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: lot of money. You gotta hope that maybe I don't

1293
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 1: another Texas team in the Big twelve, or maybe Colorado

1294
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: starts to get more money. You gotta hope some of

1295
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: those powerhouses in the Big Twelve start to get more

1296
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: money where you can get more bids in the collegeball playoff,

1297
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: Like that's the only way that the Big Twelve can,

1298
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, survive to the level of the Big ten

1299
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Speaker 1: of the SEC. But man, it's this weekend is going

1300
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: to be insane. Like if you have a wedding this weekend,

1301
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup, you got all these collegeball games, get

1302
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm sorry, I don't think I could go

1303
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: to a game. I don't think I could schedule a

1304
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: wedding in the falling. You had your wedding in the spring.

1305
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 1: Can you imagine going to a wedding right now? I don't,

1306
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: no shot, no chance. Well I don't. I haven't been

1307
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: to a fall wedding my entire life. I actually went

1308
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: to one college buddy, and I left. I think like

1309
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: Sunday morning at like five am. I left the wedding

1310
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 1: before like the party even got it going. I'm like,

1311
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: I got to get home and go to bed so

1312
01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: I can catch my flight. So I'm with you. I

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01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: do think the Big Twelve if TCU wins this game

1314
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: and runs the table and you get TCU playing an

1315
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: undefeated Texas Tech and whoever, I do think they could

1316
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: possibly get two teams because Sunny Dyke's has proven that,

1317
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: like he runs a real program, and obviously Texas Tech

1318
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: is clearly legit. That would be their path, Like, you

1319
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: can't lose Thessissippi State and issues done unless they get

1320
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: the automatic bid by winning, you know, run the table

1321
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: and then win the conference championship game. But like, once

1322
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: you lose Tosissippi State, like your margin you have, no

1323
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: You're done unless you control your own destiny. Because last

1324
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 1: year the Big Twelve had like a bunch of teams

1325
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: with two or three losses. It seems like this year.

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Speaker 2: With Texas Tech, they have a bunch of unranked opponents.

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Speaker 2: I think they gotta go. They're not in Arizona State,

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01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 2: which I guess could be kind of a challenging gay

1329
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 2: for Texas Tech. But the way their defensive line looked

1330
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: against Utah, which is supposed to be the best offensive

1331
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 2: line in the country, let alone the Big Twelve, Like,

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Speaker 2: I feel like they're just gonna bully Arizona State in

1333
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 2: that game too.

1334
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Speaker 1: You're right, I feel like TCU beats Arizona State this week.

1335
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Speaker 1: I love Hoover.

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Speaker 2: It stinks because I'm kind of an Arizona State obviously

1337
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: growing up here, and it's been cool to see Arizona

1338
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: State kind of take that next step, and the valley

1339
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 2: kind of rally around a college football team where it's

1340
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: more pro dominant. Even the pro fan bases aren't even

1341
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 2: as loyal as what you see in Philly and Boston

1342
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: and San Francisco or wherever too. But TCU as a

1343
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 2: road dog, yeah, I agree.

1344
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: I think I would lead in TCU.

1345
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 2: That offense is just so explosive with Sonny Dike's I mean,

1346
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 2: you saw rid of UNC and SMU.

1347
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be a fun game.

1348
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 2: My last thing, I gotta put this in real quick

1349
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 2: because I'm a fan of the show. Obviously I watched

1350
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: John Middlecoff three and out subscribe. What do you think

1351
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: about Will Compton's bald head? Well, you got any advice

1352
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: for Will Compton because I saw he been tweeting about

1353
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: you know, what should I lotion my head? Obviously I'm

1354
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 2: not bald. I got some good hair myself, thank God

1355
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 2: for my mom. But I was just curious because you

1356
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: haven't really talked about Will Compton gaining another bald brother.

1357
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 1: Well, you know he won't be bald long, right. He's

1358
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: had to do it because he lost the bet, which

1359
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 1: you know I get he's loyal to Nebraska, but Nebraska

1360
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: doesn't be decent teams, let alone good ones. I can't

1361
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Speaker 1: speak to guys with hair shaving their head. They have

1362
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 1: a lot more follicles on top, but the key. You

1363
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: gotta moisturize it like you would your face. So you

1364
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 1: wash your head like you wash your face, right, you

1365
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: just you know, like a normal human being if you're

1366
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: going to bed and you don't need to shower or whatever,

1367
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: and you just wash your face before you go sleep.

1368
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 1: You have to wash your whole head like it's it's

1369
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: all one. It's like the beer just extends and then

1370
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: you have to moisturize so it's not dry. Then you

1371
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: get in grown hairs. Uh, you know that first cut,

1372
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: because he's never shaved, it had to be just pretty

1373
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: special how close it was, you know, when you're like me,

1374
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: any shave. You know, I don't shave as much because

1375
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm just a podcaster. But if I had a real

1376
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: job and was going into work and seeing people, I'd

1377
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: be shaving like every eighteen you know, every day and

1378
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: a half or whatever. He had to get the closer

1379
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: shaved humanly possible, so it has to feel incredible. You

1380
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: just gotta hydrate because your skin can get dry really fast.

1381
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 1: And then you got problems. Do you use bar soap?

1382
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 1: I don't s if he uses a bar of soap, No,

1383
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: I don't use bar soap. But he's fucking twenty twenty

1384
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: five bar soap bar soap criminal. I just thought there

1385
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: was a universal ball thing. Are you in jail like?

1386
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean you got a million options? No, I don't

1387
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: use bar soap. I don't use bar soap in general.

1388
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a grown up with you know, use

1389
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 1: a pump bottle of like a normal body wash with

1390
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: a loofa. This isn't This isn't like my dad in

1391
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty three. I mean we got we got

1392
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: options here if you use a bar soap. If you're

1393
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: a bar soap guy, are you a bar soap guy?

1394
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 2: I mean I use it on my occasional Yeah, I

1395
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 2: got body wash right now.

1396
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: But already you have a you have a loofa bars

1397
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 1: you know you just I got the loofah? Yeah, yeah,

1398
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 1: what could justify in twenty twenty five using a bar

1399
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: soap and not like a body wash with the loofah,

1400
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: it's easier to use.

1401
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,919
Speaker 2: Well, I heard SVP use it. So I just thought

1402
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 2: it was a universal bald guy thing. Maybe he's kind

1403
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: of an older, old fashioned and.

1404
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 1: He's a little older, and you think, can uh bar

1405
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: soap to me? Would just my whole face would would dry,

1406
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: it would fall off, so I couldn't. I haven't used

1407
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 1: a bar soap beside at a hotel, and even typically

1408
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: I bring like little like body wash with me. That's

1409
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: that's a little hack. So you just use shampoo. No,

1410
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: I haven't used shampoo since I've been bald. Save money.

1411
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: You don't you sham't you don't use shampoo. You know,

1412
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: there's what would I need shampoo for my chest? Hair? Don't?

1413
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: There's no hair no, you know because part of shampoos

1414
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: to keep your hairs soft, right, Yeah, yeah, isn't that

1415
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean and dandre or whatever. The conditioner. Yeah, conditioner

1416
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,439
Speaker 1: keeps your hair out. Those aren't problems that I get.

1417
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: So it's just just face wash and body wash. No,

1418
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: no shampoo. You wear something new every day. That's awesome. Okay, Audios, Jackson,

1419
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: good talk, see you. Okay. I want to do a

1420
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 1: little mail bag because I got so many questions at

1421
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: John Middlecoff my Instagram firing those dms questions answered here

1422
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: on the show. I'm gonna try to go quick because

1423
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 1: we got a decent amount of questions, So just my

1424
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: name firing those dms wide open. We'll start with Miles.

1425
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: Given all the game swing field goals we've seen this

1426
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: year and the randomness associated with end results, I was

1427
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: wondering if you think the NFL would ever make a

1428
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,880
Speaker 1: rule change to eliminate the kickers. I know a lot

1429
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: of head coaches and fans hate that these non football

1430
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: players sometime decide games. So it got me thinking, what

1431
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: if they turn the red zone into the score zone.

1432
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 1: No more field goal attempts, but instead teams need to

1433
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: get inside the red zone to automatically qualify for three.

1434
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: Similar to baseball, if a team wants to take three

1435
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: points when they cross the opponent's twenty yard line, the

1436
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: coach can signal three to the ref where this can

1437
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 1: get interesting as the end of games. Uh. Basically, not

1438
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: only that, if a team gets to say the nineteen

1439
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 1: yard line with a with a minute left to go

1440
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: down two, the other team has a has a couple timeouts,

1441
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be able to take knees and kick field goals.

1442
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: I think it would require a lot more strategy. I

1443
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: think it's a little more complicated than the way you said.

1444
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: Once they get into the quote unquote score zone, and

1445
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,240
Speaker 1: I know I get automatically three. Couldn't I just run

1446
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: out the clock. I could still take knees. You'd have

1447
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: to call timeouts. What would be the difference? And I

1448
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: know I'd get the three. I think the problem the

1449
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: volatility of football, And this is why people hate the

1450
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 1: push pushes, because there's no we know what's gonna happen.

1451
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 1: They're gonna get a yard or two is I can

1452
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 1: stop you. We just saw in the Ravens game, like

1453
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: I can get a goal line stand, I can cause

1454
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: a turnover, you can miss a field goal, like we

1455
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen. When the Rams lined up

1456
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: for that field goal, I thought the Eagles were gonna

1457
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 1: lose the game. Like that's a same thing with the

1458
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: Packer game when they blocked it. You just you just

1459
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,480
Speaker 1: never know. And I know some field goals are longer

1460
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: than others. And you're talking about you know a nineteen

1461
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: yard field goal is twenty nine is like thirty five yards, right,

1462
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,080
Speaker 1: the actual when you factor in the ten yards for

1463
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: the goal line, and then whatever six or seven for

1464
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: where they line up, So usually add fifteen plus yards

1465
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: to you know it's a twenty yard If you're at

1466
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: the twenty yard line, I view it as thirty five

1467
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: yard field goal. Could be off yard depending on you

1468
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: know exactly how you line up, but that's usually you

1469
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 1: know the standard. But I just think that's never happening,

1470
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: or at least for the foreseeable feet. I would never

1471
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: say never. Okay, let's get into Jake. I'm here in

1472
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: the great state of Alaska. Never been, but know some

1473
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: people that have, and I'm very fascinated to go. I

1474
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: would love to watch the animals play little golf, maybe

1475
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: go on like an Elk hunt of the six teams.

1476
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: Not that I've ever been on an no count, but

1477
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: if I was going to go on one, Alaska sounds

1478
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: like the place. There are currently six teams in are

1479
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: zero and three. Who is truly the quote unquote worst

1480
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,719
Speaker 1: team in the league and who do you think still

1481
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: is a shot of not finishing the season with a

1482
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 1: losing record. I personally would rank them like this, the Titans,

1483
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: the Saints, the Jets, the Dolphins, the Texans, the Giants. Ps.

1484
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: There's still room to join the anti Monday Night doubleheader club.

1485
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 1: By the way, next Monday Night two games overlap. Yeah,

1486
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: but if you check and google the games, it is

1487
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: Miami against the Jets, kind of like the Jets money

1488
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: line in that game, and the Broncos against Jake Browning.

1489
01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 1: So that sucks. And I'm not one thing I'm gonna try,

1490
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 1: very very make a conscious effort to do is not

1491
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: be negative. I'm just in general in life, but specifically

1492
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: like complaining about football games. It's so stupid. But we

1493
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: all agree Jets Dolphins is not a great Monday night game.

1494
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,320
Speaker 1: But if you were gonna have Jets Dolphins on Monday Night,

1495
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: at least have the other game. So if one of

1496
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: the two games is close, it's not the worst thing

1497
01:09:31,360 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: in the world. I would say currently, I would agree

1498
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: the Titans. I would say the Saints are better than

1499
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 1: the Jets. I think the Saints are better than the

1500
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: Jets and the Dolphins because I do think their offense

1501
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,479
Speaker 1: is not bad. I would take the Saints over those

1502
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:57,759
Speaker 1: two teams. So I would go Titans, Dolphins, Jets, Saints, Texans, Giants,

1503
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: potentially Giants Texans depending on how Dak or not Dak,

1504
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 1: but Dart looks. I don't hate it. I think the

1505
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: Texans and Giants. I think the Giants would have the

1506
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: best capability of like looking up and their competitive and

1507
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: their seven eight wins. I think the Texans are in

1508
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: some trouble now. They do play the Titans this week.

1509
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: If they were to lose that game, they are screwed.

1510
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: A fan from Canada, my question is, why do you

1511
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: constantly refer to Jim tom Sula as one of the

1512
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: worst coaches of all time. I get he wasn't good,

1513
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: but I think guys like Urban Meyer, Nathaniel Hackett, and

1514
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,519
Speaker 1: Bobby Petrino were way worse. I'm curious because the forty

1515
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: nine ers had him as an assistant for eight plus

1516
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: years in house. When someone works in the same company

1517
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: for several years usually means he's relatively well aliked. Well,

1518
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: there's no disputing he was well liked and he was

1519
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: an excellent defensive line coach. Jim tom Sulla was a

1520
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: highly respected position coach, very highly respected position coach. But

1521
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: when he got the job, it'd be like going from

1522
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: a high level CEO to guy. It's not even middle management.

1523
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Jim tom Sula is a position coach, that's it.

1524
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, his record is not the worst of all time.

1525
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: He will you know, Chip Kelly, who came after him,

1526
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 1: who's probably much more suited to be a head coach,

1527
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: had a worse record than Jim tom It's one of

1528
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: those things just had to be there. So this is

1529
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: more on personal experience. Like Urban Meyer was objectively a

1530
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: worst coach. He did not make it through the season.

1531
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett did not make it through one season. Josh

1532
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,799
Speaker 1: McDaniels has had two head coaching jobs and been fired

1533
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: midway through year two in both. So I just used

1534
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: Jim tom Sula as a reference point magally because I

1535
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: was there, Like, I don't think if you weren't living

1536
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,599
Speaker 1: and doing what I was doing for a living covering football,

1537
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: talking about football, you probably would bring up other people,

1538
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 1: but I would put Jim to And it's no shade

1539
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: like Jim tom Sula, by all accounts a nice guy,

1540
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,799
Speaker 1: though rumors back then that he backstabbed Jim Harbaugh and Fangio.

1541
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: But again it's more of a like personal preference, right,

1542
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 1: Like if we all ate at the same restaurants, we

1543
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, these three there would be a

1544
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 1: lot of agreement of like, these are the best restaurants

1545
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: in America, right, and this would be like that's the

1546
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 1: worst sandwich I've ever had. But we all live in

1547
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 1: different places, we all have different tastes, and we're all

1548
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: over the bard, right. It's no different with football if

1549
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:27,600
Speaker 1: you are a Giants fan or a Jags fan, or

1550
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: whoever fan. Like, if I went to a Giants fan like,

1551
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: who's the worst coach You've ever seen? Their first reaction

1552
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 1: probably be like Joe Judge, right, and I what could

1553
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: I argue with him? I mean he called a quarterback

1554
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,479
Speaker 1: sneak from their own nine yard line. I mean so,

1555
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 1: I think it's all personal experience. When we bring up

1556
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:51,799
Speaker 1: making fun of coaches, it's like, who's the worst quarterback

1557
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,720
Speaker 1: you've ever seen? Well, if you went different areas of

1558
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: the country, everyone would probably have a different example. Steeler fan,

1559
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: I've always wonder why the Ravens franchise isn't looked at

1560
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: an all times as an all time franchise. They are

1561
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 1: technically the same franchise that had Jim Brown and won

1562
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 1: a ton of championships. See, I'm gonna stop you before

1563
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: you even get to your question when you move, right,

1564
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: when you exist somewhere, move, go away, and then come back,

1565
01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: you don't have the same history as just like the

1566
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 1: New York Yankees or the Dallas Cowboys or the Alabama

1567
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: Crimson Tide or it's just universal, right. It's like what

1568
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: Bill Simmons always argues with the Lakers. It's like, how

1569
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: do you claim the Minnesota titles? And I kind of

1570
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: agree there you could keep the same name, but when

1571
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: you played in different cities, like they're separate operations. This

1572
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: is way before my time. But the you know, they

1573
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: used to call them the New York Football Giants because

1574
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: the San Franco Giants came from New York. Or the

1575
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Dodgers, but like when you compare the Brooklyn history

1576
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: to the LA history, like I have a hard time

1577
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 1: doing that. So I hear what you're saying about these franchise,

1578
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: But when you move and you become a different franchise,

1579
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: like I just think we don't see it as much

1580
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: anymore because it rarely happens, like the Raiders, for example,

1581
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:18,200
Speaker 1: whatever happens in Vegas, especially once the Davis family no

1582
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 1: longer owns the team, it's gonna be hard for the

1583
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 1: Raiders in Vegas to like when they start bretting now

1584
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: theirs is weird because they haven't had much success lately.

1585
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 1: But like talk about like Jim Plunkett, Like Jim Plunkett

1586
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: did that in La Right. I just think it's very difficult,

1587
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 1: you know, talking about the Chicago fans can take a

1588
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: lot of pride in like the eighty five Bears. George

1589
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: hallis building our team back in the fifties. Right. If

1590
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: you're a Packer fan, even if you're younger than me,

1591
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 1: and you go freaking Vince Lombardi coach the Green Bay Packers,

1592
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: you can say it's part of the same history, right,

1593
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:55,600
Speaker 1: It's like the same family line. I think when you

1594
01:14:55,640 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: start moving around cities it becomes really complicated. But I

1595
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: think it's actually a huge reflection of how successful Baltimore

1596
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: has been since moving there. What year was at they

1597
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: move in ninety five ninety six. I was listening to

1598
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Brian Thomas Junior and his struggles this year,

1599
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: and I think I disagree a bit. I think the

1600
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: problem is that he really didn't start breaking out until

1601
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: later in the season when he was playing with mccorkel.

1602
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: That'd be Mac Jones. I said mccorkeyl. He said Mac Jones.

1603
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 1: I just love that his real name is mccorkyl. I

1604
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,000
Speaker 1: don't think he has a very good connection with Trevor Lawrence,

1605
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: and it'll be interesting to see how the rest of

1606
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: the season goes. Keep up the great work. My theory

1607
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 1: was that he kind of lost a little confidence when

1608
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 1: they drafted Travis Hunter and it kind of took the

1609
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: wind out of his star. So again, that was just

1610
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: a completely uneducated theory. I didn't claim to be right

1611
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 1: on that one. You're probably right. Yeah, I don't have

1612
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 1: a great answer for you there, but there's no disputing like,

1613
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: he's a really talented player. And sometimes guys just don't

1614
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 1: have a good connection. I mean, I don't think we

1615
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: talk about that enough. Sometimes you're just so good like

1616
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Peaked, Tyreek Hill right or Josh Allen And

1617
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess who's the best receiver he played

1618
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: with Diggs, you know, Lamar and the tight ends right,

1619
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: Burrow and Chase. But sometimes it's like, yeah, we just

1620
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: it's just our cohesions off. It just doesn't work. We

1621
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: see that sometimes, like free agent wide receivers see that

1622
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: in baseball with pitchers. Some pitchers have a specific catcher

1623
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: for them, probably pretty rare. I don't fall baseball as

1624
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: close as they used to, but used to be more

1625
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: like Tim Wakefield had a specific catcher, which made sense

1626
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 1: because he threw a knuckleble. I hear Colin suggests that

1627
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,640
Speaker 1: Burrow should try to get out of Cincinnati while the

1628
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: Bengals are cheap. I feel like they've done everything Burrow

1629
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: has wanted since he got there. They drafted Chase, they

1630
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: paid him, they paid Chase Ann Higgins, they brought back

1631
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson. It'd be much hard to field a better

1632
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: D and O line with the money they have tied

1633
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: up in Burrow, Chase, and Higgins. I agree. How could

1634
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: Burrow be the one getting screwed. I don't think he's

1635
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: totally getting screwed, and I've said over and over even

1636
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: if he feels that way, Mike Brown is not going

1637
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,240
Speaker 1: to care for the foreseeable future, because not only am

1638
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: I paying you a premium, I've paid these two wide receivers.

1639
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,880
Speaker 1: Now every single person would have paid Jamar Chase. Jamar

1640
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,639
Speaker 1: Chase is a guy that every franchise in America pace.

1641
01:17:26,280 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 1: I do think the t Higgins thing was, you know,

1642
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: how fundamentally do you want to build your team? And

1643
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 1: that feels like pure pressure for the quarterback, where I

1644
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: just like, I can find another t Higgins, even if

1645
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: he's not quite as good. But if I use a

1646
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,400
Speaker 1: second or third rounder and a wide receiver and then

1647
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: I use this money and allocate the resources of other places,

1648
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 1: isn't that part of paying Joe Burrow to make guys

1649
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: look good to go along with Jamar Chase. Maybe we

1650
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 1: draft one of these sweet running backs. I don't know,

1651
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 1: but I totally in agreement there. We could argue like

1652
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 1: is this the right move? There's a reason the GMS

1653
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 1: GM and quarterbacks quarterback Belichick didn't ever listen to Tom Brady,

1654
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 1: and it resulted in nine Super Bowl appearances in six victories.

1655
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,080
Speaker 1: If you would have listen to Tom, they would have

1656
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: it would have been completely different. Right, So there's a reason.

1657
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: You know, in business, the old adage and Colin's been

1658
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: saying this is like take the emotion out of it

1659
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:27,120
Speaker 1: when you're too emotionally tied to a business deal. Whatever

1660
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,960
Speaker 1: that may be, right, whether it be a big business deal,

1661
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,759
Speaker 1: whether it be a car purchase, whether it be arguing

1662
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: over a salary, whatever it is. The more emotionally you

1663
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 1: get connected, the harder it is for clarity, and the

1664
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: easier it is to make a mistake. Well, how could

1665
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 1: a player not be emotionally tight. He's in the locker

1666
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 1: room there as friends, and there's somewhat of a buffer

1667
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: when you're the GM, even more than the coach, that

1668
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 1: you can be unemotional about the player, even if in

1669
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 1: this modern day NFL, the GM's definitely I don't know,

1670
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: I want to say the word tight, but I think

1671
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: in a lot of franchise you know, definitely with their

1672
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:06,800
Speaker 1: star players and their high end guys, the GMS, they

1673
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 1: have very good relationships, right. I mean, you hear a

1674
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: lot of these players now and name the GM constantly, right.

1675
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:20,520
Speaker 1: Obviously the best examples the Chiefs with Mahomes and Patrick

1676
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:23,919
Speaker 1: I guess Patrick Mahomes is the same guy Kelsey. They

1677
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,600
Speaker 1: talk about Veitch a lot, but it's no different than

1678
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: the Eagles with Howie Like he knows his players really well,

1679
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 1: but he also can be cut throat when he needs to.

1680
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: And as a player, you don't want to lose any

1681
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 1: of your friends. They are good players, but that's not

1682
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:53,439
Speaker 1: the way the business works. Do you think the Vikings

1683
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,800
Speaker 1: are regretting not signing Sam Darnold. JJ McCarthy has hurt

1684
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 1: again and did not leave me impressed over the two games.

1685
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:02,599
Speaker 1: I think the Vikings made a mistake. I realized Sam

1686
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: didn't played well, didn't play well last game of the

1687
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: season in the playoff game. I think the gms sometimes

1688
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: don't realize the benefit of having someone play every year

1689
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: over every play year over year. For them, Sam knew

1690
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 1: the system they would have been able to build on

1691
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:23,960
Speaker 1: the last year. Baker is a great example of this.

1692
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,759
Speaker 1: He's a good first season with the Bucks, but seems

1693
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: to have gotten better progressively each of the next couple

1694
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, I mean, I think, listen, the difference

1695
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: of the Baker situation is once they pulled the trigger

1696
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: on JJ. While I agree you're gonna have a short

1697
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 1: lease with JJ's not getting four years to be injured

1698
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: in and out of the lineup like he's getting a

1699
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,840
Speaker 1: couple he better get back on the field and be

1700
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 1: good or this is gonna be short lived. But after

1701
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: year one they were in a tough position, and I

1702
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 1: think it's easy to say that now. Now you could

1703
01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: also say, like who cares use the pick on him.

1704
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 1: He could be the backup quarterback. It was pretty risky

1705
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 1: that there's no doubt about it. But their team wouldn't

1706
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: look the same today that they allocated all those resources

1707
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: on buying players if they had kept Sam. Now you

1708
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: could argue, well, the team they had last year won

1709
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 1: fourteen games. So I think, I here's what I know.

1710
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,640
Speaker 1: The chances that JJ McCarthy is ever as good as

1711
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: Sam was last year or is currently even if Sam

1712
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 1: doesn't improve, which naturally, like you said about Baker, guys

1713
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 1: just kind of do once they prove they're kind of good,

1714
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 1: is slim to none. Like it would be a huge

1715
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 1: upset if JJ McCarthy is as good as those guys

1716
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,760
Speaker 1: right to be ever as good as Kirk Cousins or like,

1717
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 1: it doesn't feel likely. On top of he can't stay

1718
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:45,840
Speaker 1: on the field, so I think if he's in and

1719
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: out of lineup this year, they might regret it. But

1720
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: at the time I understood where they were coming from.

1721
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:55,639
Speaker 1: I do. I mean, because part of drafting JJ McCarthy

1722
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:59,200
Speaker 1: really high is like you believed in it, but also

1723
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: sometimes with it draft pick when you haven't seen him play,

1724
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,439
Speaker 1: it's essentially like buying a stock. You can have the

1725
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,439
Speaker 1: conviction you can have got in on ten dollars. You're like,

1726
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I think there's a chance this thing

1727
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: goes to fifty or one hundred. But then after a

1728
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: year or two, if that ten dollars stock is at

1729
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: seven dollars, like you gotta contemplate selling it now. Sometimes

1730
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: if you sell it at seven dollars and take your

1731
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: thirty percent haircut over the next couple of years, like

1732
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold or Baker Mayfield or now Daniel Jones, that

1733
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: thing goes to fifty dollars and it kicks you in

1734
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 1: the nuts. A lot of times it does not, though,

1735
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: so I think the Vikings are monitoring the situation closely.

1736
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:43,200
Speaker 1: I would say they're not full regret yet. But if

1737
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: Sam leads Sea outle of the playoffs and JJ McCarthy

1738
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 1: becomes a I don't know, just hurt all the time,

1739
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:56,519
Speaker 1: let alone not good player, you could be correct. You

1740
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: talking about someone's question of Russell playing himself out of

1741
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,479
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame really grind my years about how

1742
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:04,240
Speaker 1: football hall of fame is being diluted in the baseball

1743
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: to that of the baseball and basketball. Once My personal

1744
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 1: criteria for the Hall of Fame should be this, you

1745
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,599
Speaker 1: need to either have changed the way the position gets played,

1746
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 1: or if we're writing the anthology of football, if your

1747
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: name has to be included, then you belong in the

1748
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. The idea of my childhood hero Darrell

1749
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: Reeves sharing the Hall of Fame title with Russell Wilson

1750
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: is just disappointing. You could argue, like Revis is one

1751
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: of the best players ever at his position in and

1752
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,879
Speaker 1: on defense, Russell is not one of the greatest quarterbacks

1753
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 1: of all time. But you could argue telling the story

1754
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: of football in the Internet age, he played a pivotal role,

1755
01:23:46,439 --> 01:23:48,320
Speaker 1: Like he helped one of the best teams in the league

1756
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: get to a couple of Super Bowls, win a Super Bowl,

1757
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: become a Pro bowler as a mid round pick, kind

1758
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:57,240
Speaker 1: of change football. As a short player, think of the

1759
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: floodgates that opened a little guy being drafted high. You

1760
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: go back to when I was a kid in the nineties,

1761
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: none of these guys would have been drafted I Baker Mayfield,

1762
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: no Kyler Murray, no chance. Not saying that they might

1763
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: not have deserved it, but they would not have been

1764
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,920
Speaker 1: because you didn't draft players high, they were short, so

1765
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 1: I think Russell Wilson kind of opened that opportunity. I mean,

1766
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, it's like five ten a buck fifty. I'd

1767
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: make the argument you could write the story without Russell

1768
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:30,599
Speaker 1: because you could just talk about Pete in the defense.

1769
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: But he played a pretty pivotal role there, so I

1770
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 1: might make the argument, I'm coming around on Russell. If

1771
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,679
Speaker 1: you put them in the Hall of Fame, there's worse

1772
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 1: guys in there. Is it fair to say that this

1773
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,759
Speaker 1: year has played out to the top NFC teams Eagles, Packers, Rams,

1774
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 1: Lions looks stronger than the AFC Bill's Ravens, Chargers, Chiefs.

1775
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: I would say right now, the NFC looks pretty strong, right,

1776
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,839
Speaker 1: even if their teams have weird games, like the Eagles

1777
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,839
Speaker 1: have kind of scuffled on offense. I see Drew Brees,

1778
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: he took a giant dump on the Eagles offense saying

1779
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:08,479
Speaker 1: he hates watching it, which I don't disagree. When they're

1780
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,200
Speaker 1: playing bad, but when they're right, they're fun out. I

1781
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: mean it's fun to watch Saquon Barkley bus fifty yard runs.

1782
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: AJ and DeVante make big plays when they're playing well,

1783
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 1: they're fun offense to watch, but I would tend to agree.

1784
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 1: I would tend to agree. I think I think the

1785
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 1: NFC's teams are more complete for sure. I mean, I

1786
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: just don't think the Bills are that good on defense.

1787
01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 1: Ravens offense has major question marks. Same with the Chiefs.

1788
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: You know the Chargers. Do they have the high end

1789
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: talent to like win the Super Bowl? You know, Denver's

1790
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: clearly got some issues bo Nicks. I saw someone do

1791
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 1: a statistical breakdown and kind of a tape breakdown, like

1792
01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: he is missing too many layups and on the big

1793
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 1: plays he's overthrowing them. So like part of being an

1794
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 1: elite team is like you need that guy to play better.

1795
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think there are a lot of question

1796
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: marks with the AFC the Colts. Like Colts gonna rattle

1797
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: off playoff victories. I don't know, doubtful college football question.

1798
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm a diehard Wisconsin fan. Are we dead? Luke Fickle

1799
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 1: was a huge swing and it's blowing up in front

1800
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,679
Speaker 1: of our faces. I heard your comments on Gunday Gundy

1801
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State, and now I fear that Wisconsin is

1802
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: going to be left behind. To listen in any industry change. Right,

1803
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:37,440
Speaker 1: in any pivotal switch or just direction for an industry,

1804
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 1: they are gonna be big winners and they're gonna be losers.

1805
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 1: And some of those big winners have already been winning, right,

1806
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: So NIL like Ohio State awesome, Oregon sweet, sign me

1807
01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:57,320
Speaker 1: up Texas right, I'm in Georgia cool. And some of

1808
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: these other teams like damn, Texas Tech is now in

1809
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:02,640
Speaker 1: the mix, like no, Texas Tech is a real player,

1810
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 1: right Miami, like, hey, we got big money, We're back.

1811
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: So it clearly brings some got people back and the winners,

1812
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: say the winners, but also there are going to be

1813
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: some losers. And I actually think, you know, I probably

1814
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,640
Speaker 1: said this over the last couple of weeks. I think

1815
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,639
Speaker 1: one of the big winners of NIL is the Big

1816
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,880
Speaker 1: ten as a whole. Right, I feel their conference is

1817
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: I told this to Jackson. It feels better or feels

1818
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 1: deeper than it has been. I think NIL plays a role,

1819
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I mean, Maryland Rutgers look credible.

1820
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say you're UCLA bad, but it clearly has

1821
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: not gone well. And you know that picture Slash video

1822
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: when viral was the ad sitting with McCarthy, which in

1823
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 1: theory shouldn't be that weird. McCarthy lived in you know,

1824
01:27:56,400 --> 01:28:01,040
Speaker 1: Green Bay for fifteen years. He's anonymous with that area,

1825
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: probably has a place, good friends. But it's like, well,

1826
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:09,520
Speaker 1: Fickle's gonna get fired. They're channing fire fickle. Mike McCarthy's

1827
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:12,080
Speaker 1: probably not gonna get an NFL job. Would he be

1828
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: interested in that? I mean, what if they pay him

1829
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 1: six seven million dollars? Question is can you win there?

1830
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 1: And nil? To me is the number one question? Right,

1831
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 1: you can be you can give me a large you know,

1832
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: a couple million dollars from my offensive and defensive coordinator. Great,

1833
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 1: But I'm in a conference with Ohio State, which I

1834
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 1: would say, when you factor in everything, is the best

1835
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 1: program in the country. Michigan is not gonna go quietly,

1836
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: even as they kind of ebb you know, little Downturn

1837
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: post Harbaugh, but they're gonna spend huge money. Oregon and

1838
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 1: Penn State are just humming, right. They recruit at a

1839
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 1: high level, they have money, They're producing dudes. USC is

1840
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 1: gonna start storming back because of the money. Who am

1841
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: I missing? I'm missing? You know? Washington is gonna be

1842
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:04,959
Speaker 1: solid like they got money and they care about football.

1843
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: And they have really been good beside the one Jimmy

1844
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:11,719
Speaker 1: Lake season since Chris Peterson got there, Like that program

1845
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 1: has just been a solid. It's kind of been like

1846
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,679
Speaker 1: the West Coast version of like Iowa maybe a little

1847
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:21,280
Speaker 1: bit better. And I think it's hard. So you can't

1848
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 1: have every team in the conference can't be good like

1849
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 1: part of the SEC. How did the Lane get good? Well,

1850
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,799
Speaker 1: look at some programs. Felt Florida fell off the cliff.

1851
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:35,160
Speaker 1: Florida has not been good. Mississippi State sucks. Missippi State

1852
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,360
Speaker 1: ten years ago, like Dan Mull and Dak Prescott, they

1853
01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: were good. So programs, like some people in your conference,

1854
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 1: if you're gonna win nine ten games, have to go

1855
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:49,160
Speaker 1: the other way. And I don't know, I would bet

1856
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: against it. Look at Nebraska right like I grew up

1857
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 1: in Nebraska was like an NFL team and now they

1858
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 1: feel like they're trying, but it's never gonna be the same.

1859
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,680
Speaker 1: It just and that's no shade. I would love to

1860
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:11,320
Speaker 1: root for Nebraska. I appreciate the brand, but I don't know. Okay,

1861
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: couple more is Shane Waldron the worst pass game coordinator

1862
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: in league history? As soon as he leaves the Rams

1863
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: Cup goes for the Triple Crown. Then after he leaves

1864
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: the Seahawks JSN Monster breakout. Last season as the Bears

1865
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 1: pass game coordinator, Rome looked like a bust. Now he's gone,

1866
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 1: Rome is looking like one of the top receivers in

1867
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: the league. He's with the Jags and making BTJ look

1868
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 1: like a fringe wide receiver three something or nothing. I

1869
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,639
Speaker 1: don't know, I'd have to text around. I mean, clearly

1870
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 1: you would say his resume is not great, and I

1871
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: think some guys just get in this. You know, if

1872
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 1: you work at the right place, right, if you go

1873
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,759
Speaker 1: to the right place. I've said one thing I'd benefit

1874
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: from is the organization I was with had a lot

1875
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: of people that knew what they were doing and have

1876
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,200
Speaker 1: gone on to have a lot of success personnel people

1877
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 1: and coaches. So when I have questions, when I have thoughts,

1878
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:15,000
Speaker 1: like I can go to high level people right Eagles

1879
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 1: winning Super Bowls, Chiefs winning Super Bowls, Like I could

1880
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:21,360
Speaker 1: text people in these organizations and get their opinions that

1881
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,160
Speaker 1: are part of the best teams in the league, that

1882
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,519
Speaker 1: have the best players in the league. But if I

1883
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: had been offered a job with the Arizona Cardinals at

1884
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,439
Speaker 1: the time, or the Miami Dolphins or whoever, just some

1885
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: bad organization. I would have taken that job. I only

1886
01:31:37,439 --> 01:31:39,520
Speaker 1: went to the Eagles because that was my best opportunity.

1887
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 1: It was my only opportunity. Coach Hill got on the

1888
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: phone with Andy Reid, Howie Roseman interviewed me. I got

1889
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: the gig, right, it just happened to be that. You know,

1890
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Veach and Lewis Riddick and Sean McDermott and all these

1891
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 1: guys were there. And you look at Shane Waldron, he

1892
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: got in with the Rams. So it's like Sean McVay,

1893
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: he knows Liam Cohen because Liam Cohen was there, and

1894
01:32:02,920 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 1: he gets the hype of McVeigh. But it's just he

1895
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 1: was just there. So just is he a good coach

1896
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:13,320
Speaker 1: just because he was hired by Sean McVay. Right, there's

1897
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,599
Speaker 1: no saying that I would have been a good GM

1898
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,600
Speaker 1: just because Andy Reid hired me. Hell, look at me

1899
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 1: turned into a podcaster. I'm glad I did. But just

1900
01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 1: because you work for someone doesn't mean you're them. I

1901
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 1: kind of realized why I never even thought about getting

1902
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 1: back and once my career this way, I was like,

1903
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: I'm not Howie Roseman first of or each like I knew,

1904
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't like football as much as

1905
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 1: those guys, and listen, football is my life. The football

1906
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 1: to them is crack and their addicts. Same thing with

1907
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 1: the coaches, Andy, Sean McDermott, all these guys. So I

1908
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 1: just think, yeah, I mean you could you can get

1909
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:55,280
Speaker 1: by on resume in football base on. Oh, I worked

1910
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,719
Speaker 1: for Jim Harbaugh. Okay, well that was a long time ago.

1911
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,560
Speaker 1: What have you done since? Well I'm not and it

1912
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 1: has a gun. Well, people don't talk, but it's like

1913
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 1: you can parlay that for a while. Okay, last question,

1914
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: why do you think touchdowns and yards by quarterbacks are down?

1915
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: Despite the rule changes in the extra game? Pat through

1916
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 1: fifty in his first year, Brady had forty three a

1917
01:33:21,240 --> 01:33:24,599
Speaker 1: second year, and others head close to forty. Now thirty

1918
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 1: six ish is considered a great year. I think what

1919
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:30,559
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold to throw a thirty five or thirty six

1920
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: last year and it was incredible. You have to get,

1921
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 1: like I think you'd have to get like a defensive

1922
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:40,400
Speaker 1: coaching roundtable and offensive coaches to kind of get truly

1923
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 1: their thoughts on This one consistent theme I see when

1924
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: listening to coaches press conferences is a lot of these

1925
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: teams now. And this is why I think the running

1926
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 1: back has come back is playing a much more conservative shell,

1927
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: like we're not gonna just give you big plays. We

1928
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,759
Speaker 1: will let you dump into the running back. Running Backs

1929
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 1: a lot of success now in the passing game. And

1930
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:04,800
Speaker 1: obviously running backs are coming back from running the ball

1931
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: because what happens with a defensive backfield and linebackers cheating

1932
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 1: back right, you can run it on them right. It's

1933
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,360
Speaker 1: like you used to go, Peyton Manning, you had a

1934
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: corner as your nickel corner that couldn't tackle. He would

1935
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: call runs to them all day long. So you just

1936
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: take strengths first, their weaknesses and you go. And it's like,

1937
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 1: you're just gonna give me a free five six yards.

1938
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:26,559
Speaker 1: And if I got a good player, always to do

1939
01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 1: is break one tackle or make a guy miss. It's

1940
01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:31,080
Speaker 1: a twenty yard game. So I think a lot. I

1941
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,719
Speaker 1: think there's probably several several variables, but I think one

1942
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 1: big thing is the conservative nature of defenses throughout a game.

1943
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 1: You know, it used to be there'd be a lot

1944
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:47,479
Speaker 1: more crazy aggressive teams you know, wink. Martin Dale kind

1945
01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:51,360
Speaker 1: of felt like a dying breed of just I'm gonna blitz,

1946
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play man now. I also think this DBS

1947
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 1: as a whole are probably a little faster, so this

1948
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:05,760
Speaker 1: speed of and safeties as well, when I you know

1949
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 1: people that I grew up watching, like Tim McDonald at

1950
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: Water and then meeting guys when I worked in the league,

1951
01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 1: like safeties like Lewis Riddick was a safety in the NFL,

1952
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 1: Todd Bowles was a safety in the eighties. Safeties from

1953
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:22,720
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties look like linebackers. These guys are

1954
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: six to two. When they played, they were like two

1955
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:28,040
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pounds. Guys now are not as big.

1956
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 1: It's much more because back then you went over the middle.

1957
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: Those guys would give I mean, they were giving concussions

1958
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:36,400
Speaker 1: out like they give out orange slices at a kid

1959
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,920
Speaker 1: soccer game. I mean they would. You meet some of

1960
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 1: these former safeties, John Lynch. I remember the first time

1961
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: I met John Lynch when he was working with the Niners,

1962
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm like five ten, I'm not that big.

1963
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 1: He towered over him. John Lynch is huge. You go

1964
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: to practice though, like the safeties don't look like him.

1965
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: He's bigger than all the safeties at practice. And if

1966
01:35:58,200 --> 01:36:01,600
Speaker 1: we went around the league, it's Kyle Hamilton is an outlier.

1967
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:05,520
Speaker 1: Back in the day, Kyle Hamilton's were everywhere. Cam Chancellor's

1968
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,760
Speaker 1: that body type, it does not exist. They're all smaller.

1969
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 1: So when you're smaller, you're faster in theory. But I

1970
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:15,439
Speaker 1: mean so, I think team speed on defense doesn't mean

1971
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 1: they're good dbs just means are faster so I can

1972
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: chase you better. Where you have more explosive plays when

1973
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:24,560
Speaker 1: you have the bigger safeties because if they took a

1974
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:28,200
Speaker 1: wrong angle, they couldn't run with the wide receivers, it

1975
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:30,680
Speaker 1: does feel like there's a lot more team speed with

1976
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 1: the back four and even the linebackers. Like think about

1977
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 1: the linebackers now, they are not You watch that Cowboys

1978
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:42,960
Speaker 1: doc of the Jimmy Johnson Jerry Jones nineties Cowboys. Ken

1979
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: Norton Junior is like a two hundred and fifty five

1980
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: pound run stuffing linebacker when he went to the forty

1981
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:51,920
Speaker 1: nine ers, him and Gary Plummer, those guys like they

1982
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: don't exist. No one plays like the best linebackers like

1983
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: Fred Warner Rokwan or like hybrid guys. It would have

1984
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 1: been much harder for them to hold up back in

1985
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 1: like the eighties against these run heavy teams that just

1986
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:08,719
Speaker 1: leaned on you. Well, people don't lean on you anymore.

1987
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:11,360
Speaker 1: They spread the ball out and throw. So I think

1988
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 1: it's a philosophical and just size change. I just think

1989
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 1: they've adapted in human beings that play those positions, and

1990
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: the schemes are much more conservative that make it more difficult.

1991
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 1: That's why I think we've seen these running backs kind

1992
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:35,719
Speaker 1: of have a little resurgence. For sure, the volume