WEBVTT - From Atlanta to Lekki 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.520 You're listening to Waiting our Reparations a production of My 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:10.800 Heart Radio Waiting our Reparations. Ah, you were about to 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:12.920 listen to what Happy said? Us up because I'm sick 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.120 of this selection and I'm happy ship is done. It'll 0:00:15.160 --> 0:00:17.079 be time for introspection, but for now, be glad. We 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.919 want seeing sad Trump supporters. I was laughing. It was fun. 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.160 Joe got to ship the stair again blacks and wants 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.079 to carry them. Oh, by the way, I want to 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.040 thank the Libertarians. The margins were verything, but we just 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.479 secured the weird. Fuck the proud boys, but I'm down 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:31.960 with the married men. Take from the rich, give to 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.000 the poor. Dope knife reasons they can't keep licking in stores, 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:37.720 sending races down in Georgia. Were prepare for more, but 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.480 these hands are like roller. You can get it indoors. Nigga. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:43.120 Fox News is lost in these lawsuits is nonsense. They 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.800 want sue Philly, but we trust in the process. Check 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.879 the popular vote, we gain a separation. What's your Biden, though, 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.040 we're waiting our reparation in the mean times and then 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.400 an email to the attorney Blue Georgia. Yeah, we turning 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.360 doing it. The whole world be burning if we don't 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.920 pass a green new deal real soon. Yeah, we're gonna 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:03.480 have to go get the nerdy scientists to tell us 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.920 because everybody else be denying this, and toe Biden is 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:09.040 about to pass it, but it's like it because we 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.040 elected him in hot fashion. Up, I have to go 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.520 and bite the bashes because they're trying to do what cool. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.800 Motherfucker's no, blue, No, I don't acknowledge it. I'm about 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:20.720 to try to abolish. I like to call it is. 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:31.800 My name is Dope night. We are waiting, ladies and gentlemen. 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:43.440 Down goes down, Down goes five? Is getting back up? 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.800 Is getting back up? I don't know. Okay, tell well. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.360 I mean, you know, it's definitely old news for y'all 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:52.680 at this point. It is Monday, November nine for us 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.520 as we record this, and I have no doubt that 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.040 by Thursday, when you guys hear this, that there's gonna 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:02.720 be like all new revealing house of horrors with the situation. 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.920 But for now, you know, motherfucker's in the street and 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.120 we're going to be in a little celebratory mood right now. 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.200 And plus we're in motherfucking Georgia, and so this is 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.239 a whole another level of big deal for people down here, 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:17.960 no doubt. Well, just to recap u over the weekend, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.359 the election was called and Joe Biden is now your 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:25.639 new w w E champion or President of the United States. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:29.160 Speaking w w E. I'm gonna keep harping on Georgia 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:31.760 this whole show because we came out with the steel 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.760 chair in the dead of night. I would awake at 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.079 like five o'clock in the morning the last hour watching 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:42.079 it when it flipped chair and it crept, and then 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.639 when it flipped over and it was like six votes up. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:47.880 Like I was exhausted and utterly delirious because I got 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.720 maybe like fourteen hours of sleep last week. But now 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:54.840 I was just kicking it in the crib with like 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.520 election coverage on, you know, the laptop, and to be 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.600 honest with you, I kind of checked out, Like I 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:05.400 felt so damn wound up by the whole thing intense 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.760 that like when the day finally got there and the 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:10.360 votes started coming in, I was like, yeo, I'm just 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:12.640 turning it off. I had a bad feeling anyway, So 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.400 it's like I'm just gonna turn this ship off. And 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.920 just see what happens in the morning. But your experience 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.320 was completely different, right, because didn't you go to an 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.880 election watching party or something. I was, so I went 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.280 up to Gainesville to watch the results come in with 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:31.320 my boyfriend Paul, who was a campaign manager for candidate 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:33.359 for Congress up in with Georgia. But I am dead 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:37.080 and Pandy running in a really tough district um but 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:41.640 you know, celebrating all all kinds of small victories that 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.680 are one with regards to turn out, with regards to 0:03:45.400 --> 0:03:48.120 other candidates that were running. So my question I have 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:50.400 for you is, like, it's one thing to see all 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:53.760 of your like live or progressive friends like, oh yeah, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:56.160 Georgia turned blue, Georgia turn blue. But for somebody like 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:01.600 you who's actually you know, I mean whatever, would it 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.280 be unfair? Would it be like a mischaracterization for me 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.520 to say you're somebody who's kind of on the inside 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:08.760 track of that effort to get Georgia to turn blue 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:10.960 within this last like two years, right? I mean definitely 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.840 with regards to just getting people engaged inside outside as 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:19.480 presidential elections. Yeah, I mean, this is a beautiful moment. 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:21.680 It feels like it was never gonna come like the 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.840 odds were so impossible. And as someone that's like on 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.560 the left left, you know, I recognize that this is 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:34.359 that you know, we don't choose incrementalism, but we accept 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.960 it when we have to. And so we have put 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.000 in so much work to at least open the door 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.720 to a world where the things we won't were possible, 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.679 I think, and to to kind of just like step 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.400 back and think about all of the efforts that have 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.040 been put in all across the state in these tiny 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.159 rural towns where you know, these people feel like they 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.520 are the only ones, in places like Athens, where we're 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.040 surrounded on all side it's by very conservative areas and 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.960 just like constantly fighting, you know, with jerry mandering and whatnot, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.920 just to have our voices heard. That like the to 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.400 like breathe in like the threat the sweet smell of 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:19.560 like what collective action, Like what those fruits of that 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.599 labor smell like? Like uh it was, you know, Like 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:29.680 I I remain like a realist and like recognize that 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.800 it's going to require a lot of grit and tenacity 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:37.599 and persistence and frustration for us to continue to fight 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.760 to achieve them. While you want to see I believe that, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.160 you know, through the selection, we've gained the enemy that 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.080 we want um. But you know, I drove down to 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.760 Atlanta on Saturday and we got the got the notice 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.000 that the election have been called in the car and 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.160 we showed about a rally that was supposed to be 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.479 like count every vote being put on by like Sister 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:00.359 Song and like a lot of like progressive said of 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:05.440 lefty like Bipop organizations in Atlanta. But to show up 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.599 and then like the mood was so different, like everyone 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:11.840 turned on a dime and immediately was about, all right, 0:06:11.839 --> 0:06:14.279 how are we getting medicare for all? You know? Sunrise 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:16.560 Moving was there and they're talking about a Green New 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:20.240 Deal and we're still in Georgia under Brian Kemp, you know, 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.920 and a Republican control legislator having to deal with a 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:27.000 tax on women's bodily autonomy and like continuing that fight. 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:29.640 But the fact that people were able, but like the 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.400 fact that people were so tired. Everyone was honking. They're 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:39.880 playing like nuck if you buck and the return of 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:42.400 the Jedi and ship like if you're watching the news, 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.800 just like each each city in the world that they 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:47.880 were showing a clip of of everybody was just in 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:51.320 the streets celebrating, like they defeated the empire and ship. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.320 Yeah and I guess. And so Saturday was really meaningful 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:55.920 to me to be there in the park with all 0:06:55.960 --> 0:07:00.159 of those organizers because it felt like proto organizing energy. 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:03.560 It wasn't like like a victory had been one. It 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.480 was that we were excited and energized for what is next. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:10.160 Um Like we were getting like like it was like 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:13.400 a like a like a like a pre a pregame 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.120 at the at the at the crib. What you're doing 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.120 shots with all your homies on the couch of doing 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.920 power power before you go out for the real you know, 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:27.320 the go out into the sub thirty degrees. All is 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:29.720 pretty much kind of like a detour. You know. It's 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.880 like a like the ship is obviously not over, and 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:39.560 it's like whatever whatever, whatever thing that people were scared 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:45.080 of encountering with the second Trump presidency. It's like, you know, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.680 we're all kind of on the hangover still of being 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.280 happy that he's going to be going away, but we're 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:55.360 only taking a detour. You know, this is a joke 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.080 because it doesn't seem like there's gonna be a coup well, 0:07:58.120 --> 0:08:05.040 I mean, it's not losing. It's only Monday. Let's give 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.280 these niggas sometime. Let's let's meet here next week and 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.960 let's talk about what's going on with that, because I 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.040 don't know. The last thing that I heard today before 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.960 we started recording was the person whose job it is 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.720 to sign off on the transition is refusing to sign 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.600 off on the transition. They've got mad lawsuits out everywhere. 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.840 They're trying to prevent states from certifying the vote. So 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.920 I mean, like I said, this is Monday. The ship 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.760 was just confirmed, the Biden one yesterday, and the fun 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:39.640 he starts already, So I don't know what the hell 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.719 is gonna be like on Thursday. We'll see how that 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.960 plays out. Before we think we're out of the woods 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.000 yet on Trump and his little coup thing, because I mean, 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:53.120 you know, Lindsey Graham ted cruise ship. There's a long 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:57.839 list of like people who have been in Congress for 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:02.360 twenty thirty years that should know better better on TV 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:09.440 talking about Trump never lost, so I have I don't know, 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.920 We'll see, we'll see. There's the problem with distractions like 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:16.280 that because we have to put all hands on deck 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.800 and turn our attention to the elections coming up in Georgia, 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.080 right right, and so you know, it's been an exciting 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.880 kind for Georgia's could remain kind of like an annoyingly 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.679 exciting time for Georgia for the next TIWO weeks and 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:31.720 that like every national organization, all eyes were on Georgia 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.560 pouring in money and people, and Andrew Yane announced that 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:38.839 he's moving here, and like all these Facebook groups have 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.040 popped up and people like how do I donate, and 0:09:41.080 --> 0:09:44.480 like I'm gonna send you a thousands buttons and I'm 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.280 just imagining our mailbox is just stuffed just to the 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:58.079 brim with like mailers and the ads. But the struggle 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:01.080 never ends ends, so on the cited, like, I feel 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.120 very energized to Like I wasn't excited about Warnock or 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:09.800 us off before. They're pretty milk toast neo liberals. It's 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:11.600 with the exception, I mean, like we're not kind of 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.840 came around like a federal job guarantee you, which is 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:18.080 like pretty legit one of my favorite policies. Um, but 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.160 now I'm like, oh shit, if we at least like 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.360 have the Senate like Medicare for all and like a 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.520 federal job guarantee are a lot more possible if we 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.520 have the Senate that if we don't, so I might 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.360 as well fucking put everything I got into the next 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:35.280 six weeks of trying to elect these motherfucker's just to 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:37.920 create the world in which the world I want is 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.360 a little more possible, no doubt. Well that was a 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.320 long ass intro, but we got a real dope show 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.400 for you all today. We're gonna talk a little bit 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.360 more about the elections coming up in Georgia. But later 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.359 on we're gonna be talking with the hosts of nprs 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:55.520 new podcast, Louder than a Riot, some really cool people, 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.120 and it's a really cool show you guys are gonna 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.640 dig on. We're also gonna go over some new music 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.360 real event to our times for the music review. That's 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.640 gonna be cool. We've got some stuff dealing with the 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:10.920 NSAR situation in Nigeria. We've got Jim Jones and his 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.000 election theme track. We're also going to dive a little 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.960 bit into the case surrounding newly released rapper Drake EO 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:21.559 and his court situation. So stick around at some dope stuff. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:33.800 We'll be back in a second. And so with all 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.280 eyes on Georgia. We want to get some shout outs 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:39.960 to organize this across the state who have been doing 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.400 work on the ground for years to bring us to 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.600 this moment and who will continue to push us into 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.960 the future as we you know, not only celebrate this 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:52.720 moment and celebrate not only celebrate this moment, also celebrate 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.559 its potentiality. After I went to the rally on Saturday, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:02.160 I met up with some latinage organizers from mostly North Georgia. Um, 0:12:02.280 --> 0:12:06.520 who were you know, celebrating, but also we took a moment. 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:10.960 It was really weird, but like inspiring. The host Maria 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:16.440 del Rosario Pelacios, kind of took everyone like paused the 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:23.720 gathering to ask everyone, what does the nation? What should 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:27.280 the nation thank you for for this moment in Georgia. 0:12:27.400 --> 0:12:30.120 And everyone went around and just said what, you know, 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.600 whether they're organized or not, just answered the question, like, 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.160 you know, what does the nation know you for this moment? 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:38.360 And so I asked. I found really inspiring some of 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:40.720 their answers, and so I asked some organizers from across 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.360 the state answered the same question so that y'all can 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.120 give him proper props. And I stopped with local youth 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:49.440 activists and daughter a former state House candidate, Mocha Jasmine 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.880 Johnson Daln White, who gave rowsing speeches about the importance 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.200 of voting at Black Lives Matter rallies over the summer 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.760 and a final push land Bass at voter suppression that 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.480 I get out the vote rally here in Athletes the 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.440 Saturday before the election. I believe that the nation should 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.280 thank any local activists in Georgia for what's happening in 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.120 the state because we were able to relay a message 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:15.320 and information to the citizens when we needed it the 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.840 most in its upcoming election. To basically put somebody in 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:22.320 office stats here for us and the people and be 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.000 the change that we wanted to see by being a 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:29.839 beacon and just spreading light to all. I spoke with 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:33.560 Brendon Buchanan, former charity Metroy Letter Democratic Social America, which 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:37.280 is the largest UH chapter of d s A of 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.559 the South. The folks in power in the state of 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.240 Georgia have spent the last twenty years convincing people that 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:47.840 change is not possible, whether that's through control of the media, 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.840 control of elected officials, control of the suburbs, or control 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.960 of that goofy racist flag that we've had going up 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.240 until like two thousand and three, and we've been working 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.680 just as hard the same work you're doing to convince 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.640 people that change matters and is really possible. You don't 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:08.560 have to thank us for what's happening in Georgia, but 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:14.360 you're welcome. But yeah, I mean to kind of unpack 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.800 some more takes that have been circulating around the election. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:21.000 The NYT reports that nine of the ten voters sided 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:24.160 the summer uprising as a motivating factor the decision to vote, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:27.160 three forces of calling it a major motivating factor, and 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.000 a fifth of voter saying it was the single most 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.640 motivating factor for the decision to participate in the election. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.040 Among those who sided the protests as a factor, of 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:40.080 them voted for Joe Biden voted for Donald Trump. According 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.200 to their survey, it seems about what you would expect. 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:48.840 I know a lot of people anecdotally who weren't really 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.440 that engaged or interested in the election, just from the 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.000 typical thing that you would expect, like Democrats and Republicans 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.160 are the same, and what really is the biggest difference 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:01.800 between Trump and Democrats and so on and so forth. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:06.880 But after the clearing out of Lafaye Square. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.960 I have a lot of friends who were like on 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.840 that day, were like, oh, you mean it's like really real. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:17.040 It's like, yeah, we've been saying for the last three years. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:20.280 And I feel like for people that are like not 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:25.600 super politically engaged, whose primary Civics education came from high school, 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.360 like this is how a bill becomes a law, go vote, 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:33.120 like who maybe are inconsistent or non voters, Like it 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:37.080 makes sense that in the summer of sudden, a sudden 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:42.000 like quasar of goddamn political activity, people's first day they're 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:45.720 gonna do is get vote. More so than like writing 0:15:45.720 --> 0:15:49.880 to their legislator or organizing direct action or mutual aid. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.880 The thing that they has been inculcated in their minds 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.840 since they were like they were instant infancy was voting, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.320 and so yeah, it makes sense that like people's media 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:02.240 reaction would be to make sure they participate in the election, 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:09.280 even if honestly with regards to regards to their visionary goals, 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:15.120 the visionary demands that emerged from the uprising, like really 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:21.120 like we don't fares well either way, but I mean, yeah, 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.560 I think we should look at it as you know, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.520 obviously everything has to be with proper perspective, But I 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.800 don't think that there's anything wrong with people looking at 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.120 it as like a victory and a sign of progress. 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.880 This easily could have flipped on the other It could 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.640 have that, could have this, this, everything right here could 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.760 have been reversed for the negative. You know what I'm saying. 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.720 It could have been fifty three of them voted for 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:48.560 Trump because of the protests and then the's and then 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.880 in the NYT piece they do talk They did talk 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.040 to voters who said they saw the looting and the vandalism, 0:16:54.040 --> 0:16:55.640 and they got scared, and they wanted a law and 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.240 order president, and they went out and voted. They decided that, oh, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:00.440 I gotta as all offense, but I'm gonna go out 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:04.560 and vote for Trump. So well, let's here's my final thoughts. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:09.640 Unlike the Trump supporters. Look, I know that there's seventy 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.680 million of them, you know what I'm saying, seventy million 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:15.479 people who are willing to go and vote. And I 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:19.320 know that with all of the craziness that the Trump 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.080 administration was throwing at the wall, that it's hard to 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.680 keep track of everything. I personally am not one of 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.080 those people that like loses track of ship. One day, 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.200 one morning in July, the President just woke up out 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:36.520 of the blue and tweeted out white power. Seventy million 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:42.399 people are cool with that, completely cool with that. So 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.440 just keep that, you know, I mean everyone, just keep 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:47.199 that in proper perspective. With all of this like unity 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.960 talk and oh we gotta like repudiation of fascism, it's 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:55.520 like fucking barely, it's barely. It's barely, way too close 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.960 for comfort. Are you fucking kidding me? But yeah, let's 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.960 just keep all of that in mind. That just that 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:07.800 there are seventy million people who accept Donald Trump and 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:11.280 everything about Donald Trump. So you the listener out there, 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:16.120 whatever thing that you take away from this past four 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.960 years about the Trump presidency that you personally that affected you, 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.800 that you think was especially bad, seventy million of your 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:28.560 fellow countrymen and women have zero problem with it, whatsoever, 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.760 whatever that issue would be. I just want to keep 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.920 that in mind because obviously we know that the the Centrists, 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:36.960 they're gonna start coming out of the woodwork. They've already 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.240 started coming out of the woodworks with demands of bipartisanship 0:18:40.359 --> 0:18:45.560 and working together in YadA YadA, YadA. Oh it's never 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.719 These things are never brought up when the Republicans win. Like, 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.840 I do not remember any news source that was like, hey, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.400 you guys know that some of these policies that you're 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.200 the most ulim band in this wall, Like, you guys 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:06.160 do know that these are like fringe right wing like ideas. 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.840 Are y'all really just gonna poist them on the American 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.360 public without like you know, trying to like find any 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.280 sort of like middle ground. No one's what was asking 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:16.479 Republicans about any sort of middle ground. The Democrats win 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:19.280 and the next day they're like, all right, so you 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:24.080 guys gotta work together, right, we gotta reject throughout the lasts, 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.880 you know, I mean starting to peel their masks off 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.320 now and show the goblins that we hated for a 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:33.639 decade before Trump. Yeah, it's it's very frustrated speaking of 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:38.040 we speaking of interpretations of where we go from here. Um, 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:40.120 there's so there is a lot of talk about like 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:46.439 do we sees on our new power to push things left? 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:50.119 Because honestly, funk the niggas like we can do whatever 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:53.600 we want now, you know, we're more Republicans voted for 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.840 Trump this time the last time, so fuck them and 0:19:55.960 --> 0:19:57.760 we don't need them. We didn't. They didn't vote for 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:00.960 Joe Biden. We don't, you know, did cater to them. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:06.359 That's the Lincoln Project you can thank for that votes 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:11.080 for Trump. Yeah, good job, great jobs, five million more votes. 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:15.920 And John Casey didn't give us Ohio nailed nailed it. Boys. 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:21.760 You know, we got Minnesota, thanks Alan Alont Michigan, Thanks 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:27.080 Rush Lead. I'm just saying, so, y'all thrown out the 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:32.439 radical lab Meanwhile, Democrats who lost re election failed, you know, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.800 if the most part failed to support policies like Medicare 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:38.000 for all, and the ones that did actually ended up 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.000 winning there, Yeah, and putting in swing state and swing 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:42.800 districts like fucking Katie Porter. So I mean, well, I'm 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.240 sure there's more to it than that. Results are results, 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.320 you know. But there's gonna be plenty of time for 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:52.800 these debates in the weeks and months to come. But 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.440 enough of that for now. Let's get into the fun ship. 0:20:55.520 --> 0:21:01.119 Let's bring on our guest today. Today, we're gonna be 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:05.320 talking with two extraordinarily dope people individually. They are a 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.840 reporter and editor for NPR Music Sydney Madden and NPR 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:12.320 Music's hip hop writer Rodney Carmichael. And if this was 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:15.240 like a live studio audiences where I'd say, makes some 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:25.159 noise for riding everybody, can you tell this performing? Yeah, 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:28.080 I have you seasoned music journalists, but together they are 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.439 hosts one of the freshest podcasts out right now. NPR 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:35.800 is Louder than a Riot. So, Sydney, Rodney from the job, 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:37.639 can you explain to our listeners what the show was 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.479 about and what they can expect to hear when they 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:44.480 dive in. Man, you want to take that? Yeah? Absolutely, Well, 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:46.880 first of all, thanks for having us, y'all. I've been 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:50.320 binging the show, so now I'm a fan. I'm a 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:54.200 new fan. So um, Louder than Riot is all about 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.439 the collision of rhyme and punishment in America. So what 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.520 we do on this show is really traced the historical 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:04.760 and socio political timelines and intersecting timelines of hip hop 0:22:04.800 --> 0:22:08.159 and mass incarceration from the nineties till now. And we 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:12.040 do it through real life cases of rappers and hip 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.560 hop luminaries that have been touched by the criminal justice system. 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:17.199 I was really curious and how you set it on 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.399 this particular intersection between hip hop and politics for the 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.400 focus of your show, since in our show we talked 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:26.240 about many ways that policy touches the lives of the 0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:28.680 of those in the hip hop community. So why mass 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:32.760 incarceration particularly, I mean, I think we got our first 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.560 signals from the music, you know what I mean. I 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.959 think if you if you you grew up in the 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:42.240 in the eighties and but especially in the nineties, in 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:45.280 terms of being a hip hop fan, if you were listening, 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:47.879 if you were listening to the music at the time, 0:22:48.000 --> 0:22:50.639 you know, they were making these connections. They were they 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:56.520 were critiquing the the prison industrial complex on a ground 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:00.480 level plane spoken, you know, the way we talked each other, 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:03.040 and then you know, in ways that I'm sure the 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.160 academics were as well, and then the activists and whatnot. 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.160 But if you were just a straight up hip hop head, 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:14.240 it was information. And you know, I think that that 0:23:14.240 --> 0:23:18.280 that sense that there was just you know, connection or 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:21.400 you know, was it conspiratorial. It's just an idea that's 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:24.959 always kind of resonated. You know, a lot of conspiratorial 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:28.919 ideas resonating our community because you know, honestly, a lot 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:33.200