1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercamp. I'm a mother of five, 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, a practicing physician and blogger. 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: On the side, we are two working parents who love 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: our careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and seventy six, 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: which is first airing in mid December. Today we're going 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: to be talking about lessons learned in twenty twenty. I 13 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: know this is the time of year when all podcasts 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: and articles, magazines, blogs, whatever have a roundup of the 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: past year, and we've already done a good Things episode 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: or silver linings episodes were kind of moving beyond that. 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: We're no more silver linings. But here's the things we 18 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: have learned in twenty twenty that will hopefully keep us 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: going in twenty twenty one. Things we don't have to 20 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: relearn in the future. We would hope, right, Sarah, Yes, 21 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: And we certainly you know, don't want to. I don't know, 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: feel like we're milking this for content, but it just 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: is what life is right now. So we talk about 24 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: life and this is life this year. We also do 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: not want to make light of any suffering that has occurred. 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: I can imagine that if someone lost a loved one, 27 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: then hearing about everyone's like newfound habits from the pandemic 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: is probably really painful. So this has been a very 29 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: tough year for many people, either from a health standpoint 30 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: or from a financial standpoint, as people have struggled. So 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: we do have that in our minds. But at the 32 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: same time, some of us, many of us also have 33 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: learned things or explored things, and some of these things 34 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: can apply forever, pandemic or not, So we figured we 35 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: would do it anyway. Yeah, well, some of this stuff 36 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: is completely non panandemic related anyway, Like I mean, discover 37 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: as you go through life. So my my recent discovery. 38 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: I've been you know, dealing with these sort of like 39 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: sore throats and like throat congestion for a long time 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: and I had no idea what it was, and so 41 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: this fall I just decided to start experimenting among the 42 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: other things that seemed to make it worse or like 43 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: red wine. I mean, that makes sense, I believe, but 44 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 1: I wasn't drinking that much of it anyway, so I 45 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: couldn't really blame it all on the red wine. Turns 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: out that dairy is a trigger for that sort of thing. 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: So I've been experimenting with giving up that, which I 48 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: had to. You know, longtime listeners know I really loved 49 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: my real cream and my coffee in the mornings. So 50 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: I started to drink my coffee black. That is a 51 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty lesson that I can drink black coffee. And yeah, 52 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: just like trying everything. I really those stupid like Nettie 53 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: pot things in your nose. Have you ever done those? 54 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: Scared of it? I mean, I what party is scared of, 55 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: like the idea of introducing some sort of like bacteria 56 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: into your brain. No, no, no, I'm not. I'm not 57 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: scared of it at all from a from a health perspective. 58 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think a lot of patients and people 59 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: like them. I'm just scared of the feeling of like 60 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: having like you know, how like when you accidentally snort 61 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: something up your nose, Like does it feel like that? 62 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: Like I don't like that? So yeah, I mean it's 63 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: not terrible. It doesn't feel nearly as much as like 64 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, or I have, Yes, I remember like going 65 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: off the diving board as a kid and getting water 66 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: up your nose exactly, That's what I was imagining. It's 67 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: it's not quite that bad, and it seems to make me, 68 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: you know, breathe either have less throat and nose congestion afterwards. 69 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: So I don't accommodation of all these things. I mean, 70 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: who even knows. Maybe we have some listeners who have 71 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: experienced in this and want to send in their home 72 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: remedies to you know, what else I can do other 73 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: than give up dairy and you know, try the Nettie 74 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: pot stuff. But you know, this is the thing of 75 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: like getting older. I have all these small all health 76 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: complaints that are just really annoying, and at some point 77 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: you don't want to live with them anymore, and so 78 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: then you have to experiment with stuff because who even knows? Right, 79 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: you can google it and then like a million things 80 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: under the sun will come up for it. You know. 81 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: It's the same as like are you sure you're not 82 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: allergic to your family pet. We don't have a family pet. 83 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: I was thinking you had a never mind, you had 84 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: good oh other than the hermit crab and the fish. 85 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guess not the hermit crab. That's what 86 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: it was. The hermit. I was thinking it was like 87 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: a hamster, and I'm like, maybe it's the wood chips. 88 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: But no, crabs don't seem like they would be all that. Yeah. 89 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: So yeah, I've been pondering that. But it's gotten somewhat 90 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: better with with those things. I like not drinking coke, 91 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: cream in the coffee, not having cheese, not having yogurt. 92 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: But we'll say, we'll see how it keeps going. Do 93 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: you want to should I read down my list or 94 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: do you want to trade it for what we need? 95 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: I feel like we need to alternate otherwise I'm I'm 96 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: going to feel like I'm talking looking for like too 97 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: long or something. I don't know. Okay, Lesson number one, 98 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: shutting my office door is great. Were you not doing 99 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: this before? I mean, like, no, I never did it. 100 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: The etiquette is that you know it's open because you're 101 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 1: always available, because that's because you're a nice person or something. 102 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: I don't know. I never shut it before except when 103 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: I was pumping, and in fact, if it was closed 104 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: like back in the day, like people were just assuming 105 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: that I was pumping. But that's been a while now, 106 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean it's because it started because of COVID, 107 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: because you know, if you were going to eat or 108 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: drink anything and I would want to take my mask off, 109 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: I'd want to shut the door. And then I'm like, 110 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: wait a second, like I can keep it shut. And 111 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: now when I have a resident with me, it's and 112 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: I do a lot actually, but then when I do 113 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 1: it's it's less relevant because if with someone anyway, like 114 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not having that like focused time. But otherwise, yeah, 115 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: it's just been a it's been a stupid and great discovery. 116 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: And I guess sort of the corollary to that that 117 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: just work distractions are really they can take a lot 118 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: of time, and so you know, working from home on 119 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: my non clinical days has been something I truly hope 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: that I'm allowed to continue post all of this, because 121 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: you can focus a lot more when people are not 122 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: knocking on your door asking for random things, and somehow 123 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: those random things seem to get done. Otherwise, yes, working 124 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: from home can be very productive and physicians can do 125 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: it for part of their jobs. There we go, who 126 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: even knew? Lessons learned twenty twenty. My next lesson is 127 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: that three podcasts are a bit much Now. Listeners to 128 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: this on should not worry. Best of both worlds is 129 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: continuing and so as before Breakfast, but we've decided to 130 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: phase out the New Corner Office. It had its run. 131 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: I realized I wasn't going to be able to I think, 132 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: keep generating that much content on that side. So I'll 133 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: probably run a New Corner Office segment over at my blog, 134 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, every week or two, just something more career focused, 135 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: to keep going with that idea, Like I love that name, 136 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: the New Corner Office the people. I wrote a book 137 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: this year called the New Corner Office. So I'm going 138 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: to keep running with that, but probably not as a 139 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: daily podcast. So I'll be back down to two, which 140 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: is which is hopefully going to be more sustainable to 141 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: daily podcasts. Is a lot of recording. It was a lot. 142 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: Well that was partly the problem is I was getting 143 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: so stressed about recording the episodes because my house is 144 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: rarely quiet and so trying to get the time to record. 145 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: If you and I have a little bit of background nose. 146 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: It's more conversational. Anyways, it's harder to it's okay, like 147 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: you know, we try not to, we try to have 148 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: it be quiet, but you know, a scripted solo podcast 149 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: really needed quiet and it was so hard to get. 150 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: And I think five episodes is some amount that ten 151 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: was a lot more. So there you go. And plus 152 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: it had a smaller audience and so you know, just 153 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: double down on the ones that keep going. You know, 154 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: this is this is the thing you figure out with 155 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: your careers, as you know, in your more entrepreneurial stuff. 156 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: Some projects work, some don't. I'm not saying it didn't work. 157 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: It had an audience that was turning a profit by 158 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: the end of the year. But it's also like, you know, 159 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: I only have so much time, so we'll figure out 160 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: something else to do with that. Okay. My second lesson 161 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: learned also has to do with work and kind of 162 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: my work rhythms. And this has been the year of 163 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: the walk, because why not. But honestly, again, I don't 164 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: think that's so pandemic specific. It was sort of like 165 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: it became more of a thing people were talking about, 166 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: so it wakened me to the idea that like this 167 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: was something that is available to me. But somehow I 168 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: didn't feel like I had permission to walk at work. 169 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: And I'm not sure who was stopping me. I mean, 170 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: when I was pumping, okay, I didn't have time, but 171 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: as soon as that was over. I think I've spoken 172 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: previously about sometimes like reading during that time, you know, 173 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: thirty minutes of like oh my gosh, I have this 174 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,719 Speaker 1: novel and I'm dying to finish it, and I can 175 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: like rush to finish my charts. I do find if 176 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: I have like strong motivation to be done with my 177 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: morning charts, I am able to get them done. Not 178 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: always a BYuT like twelve o'clock, but at least by 179 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 1: like twelve twenty or something, which gives me like a 180 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: solid fifty minutes sometimes because by the time my first 181 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: afternoon patients in the room, it's usually one ten or so, 182 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: so that's a great time for a walk break. That 183 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: became a really frequent rhythm for me, especially on like 184 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: my non running days, so that I get some movement outside. 185 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: And I definitely it's sort of like odd that that 186 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: was a revelation that I was allowed to do that, 187 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: But I really enjoy it, I got to say. I mean, 188 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, offices have these very strong group time norms 189 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: of like what people do, and we all sort of 190 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: absorb this just from the air. I don't know where 191 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: we get them from. One of the you know, lessons 192 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have learned in twenty 193 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: twenty is that many of these norms can be broken. 194 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: Like they're not there for a good reason, they're just there. 195 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: And so once we've all had to work differently in 196 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: some ways, you know, we can we can challenge them, 197 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: which is which is awesome. And taking a walk during 198 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: the days definitely a good idea. My revelation babies are hard. 199 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: This is this is not a new discovery. I've been 200 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: through this a few times, but it has been discovered 201 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: afresh that I was out of practice. Alex of course, 202 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: turned five a couple of days after Henry was born, 203 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: so I had been out of the baby stage for 204 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: a bit. And you know, they're they're wonderful, they're challenging, 205 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: and the you know, interrupted sleep, the constant vigilance all challenging. 206 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: They do grow up, though, I mean we're almost to 207 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: the toddler phase already, and so I'm hanging in there 208 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: and realizing that and sending out to anyone else going 209 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: through the baby stage right now that yes, it's hard. 210 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: It's always hard no matter what. It's not like you 211 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: master it and you get to your fifth baby and 212 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: you're like a PhD in babies and it's easy. Yeah, 213 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: So it's never easy. It's never easy. You learn some 214 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: things that make it easier, I suppose, but it's still hard. 215 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: Babies are hard. Lesson learned twenty twenty, how about you, Sarah. 216 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: Unfortunately I find Toddler's pretty hard too, So I'm not 217 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: going to say twenty twenty one is going to be 218 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: the magic answer for you there. But maybe you find 219 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: Toddler's easier than I do. Okay, I'll pivot to my 220 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: number three, which is that at age forty you can 221 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: still learn new things and it can be fun. And 222 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: my examples of things I've been working on learning this 223 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: year are espanel. That's about as much as I can. No, 224 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, it'd be too embarrassing for me to 225 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: speak my very rudimentary Spanish on this podcast at this point. 226 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: But I've been doing Duolingo, which I know is not 227 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: like you know, it's not like taking a course, really, 228 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: but I feel like I'm learning some things. I'm definitely 229 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: learning some words. And then when I see like I 230 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: saw a patient with an interpret the other day, I 231 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I cannot understand this patient, but I'm 232 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: definitely picking up more words than I was before and 233 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: that's kind of fun. So yeah, and then I'm also 234 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: we're rolling out a coaching program for our residents, so 235 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: as part of that, I took the coaching training program 236 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: and that's been fun too, and sort of like pretending 237 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: to be a mental health professional for a brief period 238 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: of my day. So two totally kind of like different 239 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: outside of my normal realm learning activities that have been fun. 240 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: And yeah, just that it never gets boring to pick 241 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: up new things and learn and grow. And I hope 242 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: that I'm doing that when i'm eighty as well. Yeah, no, 243 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: that's great. Well, we've learned that my husband and I 244 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: can both work at home. He's there was more of 245 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 1: a revelation for his job that it turns out that 246 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: a great many jobs can be done mostly from home. 247 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have discovered that in 248 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and I'm very curious how this will play 249 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: out over the next year or two as we see, 250 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of places are sort of said 251 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: the first half of twenty twenty one. Assume that there 252 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: will be a lot of still remote work going on. 253 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: But once we're back from that, how is it going 254 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: to you know, go about like, where is it going 255 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: to wind up in terms of the balance, in terms 256 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: of how many days people are in the office or 257 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: traveling or whatever. And I got to say that video 258 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: conferences are not that bad. I know, everyone has a 259 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: zoom fatigue. It's fun to complain about zoom fatigue. But 260 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: we've built a whole podcast enterprise by video conference. I mean, 261 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: we're looking at each other right now having a conversation, 262 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: and this is how we talk. I mean, I haven't 263 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: seen Sarah in person in a year and a half, 264 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: and same with a lot of things. I realized the 265 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: other day that I one of the people I would 266 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: consider very close friend and I have actually never met 267 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: him in person. And I was like, wait, is that 268 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: actually true? You have enough video conferences that like you 269 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: get to know each other. So anyway, it's a good 270 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: technology and a lot of stuff can be done from home. 271 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying everything. It's good to see people 272 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: in person, and I really look forward to that happening again. 273 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: But you know, we've reached a new discovery of how 274 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: much work can be done in different ways. That's awesome. 275 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: I have a question, a follow up question there. Do 276 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: you think your husband misses the travel or would he 277 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: be happy for to like never travel again, or do 278 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: you think he would like it to be somewhere like 279 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: happy medium. I think there's probably a place for a 280 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: happy medium. All right, let's take a quick ad break. 281 00:14:46,200 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. So we're back talking about lessons 282 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: learned in twenty twenty. Sarah, you've been organizing your non 283 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: clinical days in a different way. How's that going? Yes? 284 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: And I will credit the Caunt Newport style of time 285 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: blocking for some of that. I definitely don't do what 286 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: he recommends every day because I actually find it a 287 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: little bit stressful to have every single minute accounted for. 288 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: So I don't necessarily think that I need that in 289 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: my life on a daily basis. I think I'm pretty 290 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: productive as it is, but when things are really unstructured 291 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 1: and I have a lot I want to get done, 292 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: actually taking the like five, it really doesn't take long. 293 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: It takes about five minutes to sit there with my 294 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: planner and demarket, Okay, these to do is from this 295 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: time to this time. These to do is from this 296 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: time to this time. This is what I'm doing from 297 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: this time to this time. And actually, like instead of 298 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: just having a list that I'm going back to, like 299 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: specifically assigning each hour a job, as he puts it, 300 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: it can be very helpful. And for somebody that's, you know, 301 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: been into the time management sphere for a long time, 302 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: you wouldn't necessarily think this was a new discovery. But 303 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: I feel like he laid it out very clearly, and 304 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: so that's kind of been helping me. So it's a 305 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: good way to turbocharge through a long list on unstructured days. However, 306 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: you may or may not want to do that all 307 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: the time because I think I think it just would 308 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: make life a little bit less fun. Yeah, I mean 309 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: some days I do that, some days I don't. If 310 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: I have a higher volume of stuff I have to 311 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: get through, I do tend to block out, like when 312 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to do it, If there's also things that 313 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: have to be done during a certain window, I will 314 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: think about that. So, for instance, yesterday we were talking 315 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: about the stress of doing recordings. So when our nanny 316 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: had Alex and Henry out at the playground in the afternoon, 317 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: I knew that was my window for recording. Like I'd 318 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: have probably about an hour and ten minutes hour and 319 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, so I needed to have practiced my ten 320 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: episodes ahead of time so I could just record with 321 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: very little repeat or stopping. And so I did get 322 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: through all ten in the hour and fifteen minutes, but 323 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: that hour did have to have that jomb So on 324 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: a day's like that, I will, But today, you know, 325 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: I just sort of have a list of stuff I'm 326 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: going to get through this afternoon. I haven't blocked it 327 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: out when it's going to happen. You know. Maybe that's 328 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure calendar report's more productive than I am, but 329 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: that's what I what I do. No, I think the 330 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: balance makes sense because I actually, I truly there is 331 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: something stressful about feeling like you're against the clock and 332 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: that every minute you know, oh, I'm supposed to be 333 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: doing this or that, And so I do think that, 334 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: you know, doing that every single day isn't really necessarily 335 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: for everyone. So yeah, people have different styles and yeah, 336 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: I said, it can be great for the times when 337 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: I have to get through a lot, and if there's 338 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: days that are a little bit more open, then it's 339 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: kind of fun to sort of pick and choose from 340 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: the list, like what do I feel like working on 341 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: right now? You know, and that openness can be excited 342 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: as well. So you know, again, all of time management 343 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: is figuring out what works best for you, speaking of 344 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: lessons learned of things that do not work best. I 345 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: am not a big fan of virtual learning, and you know, 346 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting because I am a big fan of working 347 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: from home, and so on some level, homeschooling is the 348 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: kid version of that. And I'm a fan of homeschooling. 349 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: I know lots of families do it well, and particularly 350 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 1: if your child has different learning styles, it can be great. Well, 351 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, what I think doesn't work is virtual learning 352 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: for young kids, especially those too young to read fluently. 353 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: And on some level, I know that with working from home, 354 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: like homeschooling is kind of the kid version of that. 355 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: And I know homeschooling is a really great option for 356 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: many families, especially when kids have different learning styles or 357 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: things like that. But I think this mass version of 358 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: it has had a lot of problems, and I mean, 359 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: my older kids have done very well with it, but 360 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: when Alex has had to do virtual learning, it's just 361 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it is really not a great solution. And 362 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: that's with top of the line teachers and a lot 363 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: of home support. So I can't imagine for those situations 364 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: where those aren't present. You put Cameron in a school 365 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: that was going to open, I mean precisely because of that, right, Yes, 366 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: I mean we had been considering it anyway, just because 367 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: he had kind of a rough year. We wanted to 368 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: see if another style would fit him better. But part 369 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: of that rough year it was rough before the virtual 370 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: so I'll be completely honest, but it was even rougher 371 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: after we went virtual, and so I mean, honestly, I 372 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: didn't feel like he was able to learn much at all. 373 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: It was very frustrating for him. And then, of course, 374 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean for kids, they miss out on that like 375 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: kind of just learning how to organize themselves and groups 376 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 1: and pay attention and like interact with peers. And yeah, 377 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: I agree that in older years it can work better, 378 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: and particularly if it's a child that's a fairly motivated 379 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: or good student. It's been fine for my third grader, 380 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: like completely fine, but I don't think that's true for 381 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: every third grader, and I definitely don't think it's true 382 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: for almost any like first grader and below. Yeah, yeah, 383 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: My big part of it is the ability to read fluently. 384 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: I mean that you need to have that element to 385 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: make virtual learning more of a possibility, and so until 386 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: you get there, it's really really hard. And then you know, 387 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: it also requires a certain amount of being able to 388 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: sit quietly in your seat even when there isn't all 389 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: of that around you the norm of the class, and 390 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: that's hard. It's definitely hard for little kids. So yeah, 391 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: not a fan at all all. Hope, although you're your 392 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 1: kindergartener taught himself to read fluently despite all this, it 393 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: sounds yeah, that was a discovery. Well, partly he had 394 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: been in full time in person school for two months 395 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: and that's when he really picked it up. And then 396 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: now that we've been virtual for two weeks again through 397 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: a long series of unfortunate uh you know, county proclamations 398 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: that make no sense, but that's another matter. Anyway, he 399 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: has still been doing that and so that's made this 400 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: bout of virtual learning a lot more doable than the 401 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: one last Spring. It's also just fun to watch a 402 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: little kid when he's figuring out reading, Like he's like, wait, 403 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: I can look at this book myself. It's like the 404 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: whole world has opened up and it's it's so cool. 405 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's been a really fun thing to 406 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: see again, that is totally cool. Yes, I feel like 407 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: Cameron is still working on it. I mean, he can read, 408 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 1: but it's not like you know, when it becomes then 409 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: it becomes really fun. I'm still waiting for that part, 410 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: but I think it's coming on. Yeah, yes, all right, 411 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: what else do we have around here? Okay, how about 412 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: just the fact I mean this is sort of cliche 413 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: pandemic cliche as well, but I do kind of feel 414 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: like it has tempered my I don't know, need for luxury. 415 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: I guess in a way. I mean there's definitely a 416 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: hedonic treadmill. Right. You get used to like going to 417 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: a really nice restaurant, and then that becomes the norm, 418 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, like going to a 419 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: hole in the wall seems less fun. You know. Twenty 420 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: twenty took away the ability to easily get some of 421 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: those luxury experiences. And I found I did not miss 422 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: them as much as I thought I might, So I mean, 423 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: I knew I do miss like the social aspects of 424 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: date night. I definitely miss gathering with people. I will 425 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 1: definitely would like to eat it up, you know, fancy 426 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: Michelin Star restaurant again. So I'm not saying I wouldn't 427 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: want to do that. I totally do want to do that. 428 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: But I think I'm fine with it being a little 429 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 1: bit more rare than it had gotten to be because 430 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: in a way, the rareness makes it more special anyway, 431 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 1: and there's lots of fun that can come in more 432 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: simple forms as well. So yeah, cool. Another thing I learned, 433 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: keeping with your walking theme, is we have a lot 434 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: of really good trails in my neighborhood, and that was 435 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: a discovery. I joined this trails association and they do 436 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,760 Speaker 1: guided walks on some of the trails so you can 437 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: figure out where they are. And now that I know 438 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: how to look for them and I have the map, 439 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 1: it's like this whole new world of like running roots 440 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: has opened up, which is pretty exciting. I mean, some 441 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: seem to really be cutting across people's lawns, so I'm 442 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: not quite sure that I'll do those on my own. 443 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: But like I mean, there's this preserved farm in the 444 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: area that I didn't really realize was open to the 445 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: public and that I could run around, and so now 446 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: I've been doing that. I did that a lot this fall. 447 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: It just required cutting through a couple of people's sort 448 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: of back yards, even behind their fences, but they've seated 449 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: the land like it's okay, they allow that, and it's 450 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: it's really just such a big mental health boost to 451 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: go walk on a trail. And we've certainly been doing 452 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 1: a lot more family walks on weekends in twenty twenty, 453 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: just because that was like the one thing we could 454 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: do in March and April when everything was closed, and 455 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: that's not true now that everything's closed, but it's still 456 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: something that we can do. And the kids whine about 457 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:29,239 Speaker 1: it every single time, but it's everyone feels better when 458 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: they've gotten fresh air and exercise, so I've learned to 459 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: just kind of ignore the whining. And I do think 460 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: that family walks will continue to be part of our repertoire. 461 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: You know, I was I was reminded of your I 462 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: don't know if it was from off the clock where 463 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: you talked about like how if each kid has a 464 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: thirty chance twenty percent chance of being unhappy at any 465 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: given time, and you have three kids, and so we 466 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: had a really particularly like bad outdoor play it with Genevieve, 467 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: and I just remember thinking like, well, what if one 468 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: kid is point seventy five, Well, I mean my odds 469 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: with five have gotten even worse. Right, So if you 470 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 1: know each kid's happiness is an independent event, like I 471 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: you know, I ran the numbers with four kids, and 472 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: it's like two thirds of the time you're gonna have 473 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: an unhappy kid if each kid is unhappy twenty five 474 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: percent of the time. Uh, with five, it's even like 475 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: we're down to to you know, a quarter of the 476 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: time or so that you're gonna have all five kids happy. 477 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's you just have to know that 478 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 1: as the numbers go up. So funny. I love that 479 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: math problem. I think it's great. Well on that similar vein, 480 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: I do not feel at all, and I know this 481 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: is different from your experience, but no sadness at all 482 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: about like having an excuse not to travel all year 483 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: when Genevieve went from ages like almost two to almost three, 484 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: because I don't think it's that fun to travel with 485 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: the kid that age. She particularly, like you know, has 486 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: a lot of bad sleep when routines are disrupted. And 487 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: I think I talked on this podcast a bunch about 488 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: like a fairly unsuccessful vation we had in twenty nineteen 489 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: where like she ended up being up all nights nights, 490 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 1: and yeah, the night at the Ritz Carlton spent with 491 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: her like screaming for hours and Josh taking her from 492 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: walk on the beach at two am, Like, oh no, 493 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: we didn't spend money on those experiences. And I get it, 494 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: like the remembering self does enjoy them, and I won't 495 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: have as many nice pictures from this year of various places, 496 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: but for the experiencing self, travel with a toddler is 497 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: not all that fun for me. So I'm kind of 498 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: like I didn't have to do it. Yeah, I mean 499 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: I do. It is true that we have not had 500 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: to really, you know, do much travel with the baby, 501 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: and there is something to be said for that. We'll see. 502 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure we will do more in twenty twenty one, 503 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: and he won't be in a great age for it 504 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: then either. But yeah, travel with babies and toddlers is 505 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: very hard and probably better for us that this is 506 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: a no travel time versus like four years from now 507 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: will be wanting to maybe travel more. So, yes, I 508 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: understand that feeling of getting away with something. That's so 509 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: true because I feel like I am very much looking 510 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: forward to, like all the kids being over, say five, 511 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: because I think that'll be like the golden years because 512 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: we won't have college students yet. But so I would 513 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: I would have been much more you know, sad about 514 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: not being able to travel any year like that that 515 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: I've been waiting for so you So with less time 516 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: spent traveling, we have more time at home. And one 517 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: of the things I've been reminded that I really like 518 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: doing puzzles and I like doing you know, doing lego 519 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: projects with the kids. So we've been doing a fair 520 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: number of puzzles and legos and yeah, it's it's something 521 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: that I can do with older children and actually enjoy. 522 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: There are many things I do not enjoy doing. I'm 523 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: not really big into card games, and I don't like 524 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: miss kid movies and stuff like that, but the legos 525 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: and puzzles are big thumbs up for me. Yeah, I 526 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: can't wait till we can. It's hard for us to 527 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: do puzzles all together right now, But as Genevieve has 528 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: dropped her nap, it means she sometimes goes to bed, 529 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: which means there is opportunity for that stuff as a group. 530 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: And puzzles are so fun. I was actually googling your 531 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: favorite puzzle brand yesterday, Crocodile Creek, because you know, there 532 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: was that puzzle shortage and now there are definitely many 533 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: more available, and I was like, what was that one 534 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: that Laura likes? Oh right, Crocodile Creek. So I don't 535 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: know if you're still into those, but they're they're available, 536 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: They're available. They on toilet paper and Clorox wipes. We 537 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: must be nearing the end of the pandemic, let's hope. Well, 538 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: similar to your legos and puzzles, well kind of similar. 539 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: Books were just so amazing in twenty twenty. For me, 540 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: I knew you didn't feel like you had as fabulous 541 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: as a that sounded Midwestern and I'm not, but okay, 542 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: as fabulous as a reading year as you normally do. 543 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: But I feel like I got really lucky. Just so 544 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: many amazing novels in particularly, and many of them appropriately 545 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: escapist for the time, where you just feel like, you 546 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm not in there is no locker done, 547 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: and I'm not going to Zoom meetings. Instead, I am 548 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: like on the prairie in Kansas and you know, like 549 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: in nineteen twenty nine or something like that. So the 550 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: most recent book that I just finished, So big credit 551 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: to books just being a wonderful escape this year. Good 552 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, no, I haven't been doing as much reading. 553 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: Oh well no, that's totally because of your sleep. I 554 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: mean I think that when you have that like interrupted 555 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: baby sleep, you're it's so I feel like it's so 556 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: under appreciated that your capacity for doing things that are 557 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: like a little bit deeper and maybe a little tedious, 558 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: like getting into a book with a lot of details, 559 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: are are are so diminished. I know I was not 560 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: able to read in the way that I can right 561 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: now when I had a baby that I was, oh, yeah, 562 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: it'll come back. I mean, you know, when Alex was too, 563 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: that's when I read like War and Peace. So I 564 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: presume that I will. I will get back there eventually. 565 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: And I bet that's not an accident. That was like 566 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: a rebound, like it was really good. Yeah. So I 567 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: made the discovery the other day we were having real 568 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: estate agents come look at our house in terms of, 569 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: you know, when we do put it on the market, 570 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: that I could tidy it up in about one hour 571 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: to make it look okay, not horribly cluttered. And there's 572 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's little things like you focus on don't 573 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: have the boots scattered all over the mudroom, like line 574 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: them up, and people like, ooh, that's a nice mudroom 575 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: as opposed to a tripping hazard, or you know, just 576 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: not having stuff on the floor in the hallways or 577 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: having a clean kitchen island. But in about an hour, 578 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: I could make it look presentable. So I'm like, oh, 579 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of cool. Like, no matter how bad the 580 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: house is, probably I'm only you know, sixty to ninety 581 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: minutes from it looking presentable. So that's that's a good, 582 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: you know, feeling to have. I feel. Yeah, you know, 583 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: it's it's funny when you have a big mess. Sometimes 584 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,479 Speaker 1: I've done your trick and like timed actually how long 585 00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: it takes, and it's it's you know, you have a 586 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: bunch of toys on the floor and it looks insurmountable. 587 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,280 Speaker 1: But if they could actually leave you alone, it's done 588 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: in like seven minutes. So sixty to ninety to make 589 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: the whole house presentable is pretty impressive. But that's a 590 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: that's a good skill to have. Okay, I'm gonna do 591 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: one more right, which I think I'm going to pick 592 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: the Oh Okay, my effective dose for news I think 593 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: that I discovered this year since there was a lot 594 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: of news, and I'm sure you could spend all day 595 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: with said news if you wanted to, but I definitely 596 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: did not want to. So for me, listening to up 597 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: first at one point five speed, usually in the shower, 598 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: became my daily news. And then like every once in 599 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: a while, like an Atlantic article or like a New 600 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: Yorker article, if something really like piqued my interest, and 601 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: that's about it, that was great. That sounds like a 602 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: great way to interact with the news. I can't get 603 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: into the one point five speed. I don't know. That 604 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 1: just makes me like some weird tennis Because my husband 605 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: has stuff automatically said at one point five speed. That's 606 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: like what he listens to as well. So when I 607 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: get into his car, the podcast come on at one 608 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: point five speed, and I'm always like, ah, make its top. 609 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: I think my husband says the same thing about my 610 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: listening tendency, So you, I guess, do either maybe we're 611 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: more sensible or you don't. It just makes me feel 612 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: like people are screaming at me, and I don't like it. 613 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, lightning round, Let's go lightning round. 614 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: Things you have done more of in twenty twenty than 615 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: ever before, Sarah, what have you done more of? And 616 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 1: I said, other than the obvious, like wear masks. I mean, 617 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: does that's true? My number one thing, well, the walks 618 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: I already mentioned. But naps. Twenty twenty has been like 619 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: the Year of the Nap. I mean part of it 620 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: was that, like I kind of Jenney was taking a 621 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: solid nap for most of the year, and I knew 622 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: those days were numbered, but like I was just like, oh, 623 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: she's napping. I am napping. I'm bringing a book to 624 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: my bed and I'm read for twenty minutes. I'm gonna 625 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: fall asleep for an hour. It's gonna be amazing. And 626 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: it was. And I have no regrets. No, no one 627 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: should regret naps. We should regret the naps not taken well. Obviously, 628 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: video meetings, I mean, that's related. I've done more of that, 629 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: But I mean, I want to say that I had 630 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: a Zoom Pro account before March twenty twenty and used it, 631 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: but it was just something that people were not It 632 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: wasn't the thing you'd ask people to do necessarily, Like, 633 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: you know, somebody wanted to catch up, we'd just call. 634 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: And I don't know why I didn't use video conferencing 635 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: more as just a way to chat with people, but 636 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: I really do like being able to see people's faces 637 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: and I feel like it makes for a better conversation. 638 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think, you know, video conferencing is something 639 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: I've clearly done a lot more of in twenty twenty, 640 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: but I will continue to do afterwards things you've done 641 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: less of, Sarah, What have you done less of in 642 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty? Less social media for the most part, because 643 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: again I think it just got very toxic and I 644 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: made a very definitive effort to lessen its role in 645 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 1: my life. And then also alcohol, I think I mentioned 646 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: this before, but like I just was getting some headaches 647 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: from drinking, and then also felt like it just wasn't 648 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: as fun, like I feel like drinking is fun when 649 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: you're with a bunch of people. And by the way, 650 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: I never have drank a lot like I mean, like 651 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 1: one glass of wine is what I'm talking about when 652 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: I say drinking, like maybe two on a wild, wild evening. 653 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: But even like that hasn't happened because there have been 654 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: no gatherings and at like at first my college friends 655 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: we would meet and like sometimes I had have like 656 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: a beer or something when I was on our little 657 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: zoom chat, but then it was kind of like, eh, whatever, 658 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: I still have to put the kids to bed. I 659 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: don't really need it. And then yeah, so alcohol has 660 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: been with the you know those little like thumbs up 661 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: thumbs down, it's kind of been like a thumbs down 662 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty kind of yeah, things I've done less 663 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: than twenty twenty and then recent times we'll sleeping ha 664 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 1: ha ha. But pumping this year of babyhood has featured 665 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: less pumping and timing feedings around stuff, and that made 666 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 1: breastfeeding a lot less stressful than it has been for 667 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: other babies. So I am I am a big thumbs 668 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: up of less pumping in twenty twenty than I did 669 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: and say twenty fifteen or twenty eleven slash twenty twelve 670 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: or twenty two thousand and nine, twenty ten or two 671 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: thousand and seven, et cetera. And that's that's good. Yes, 672 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: I actually think that having a newborn this year was 673 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: not bad, not a bad way to go as long 674 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: as everyone was able to stay healthy. I have a 675 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: colleague who had a baby, and she does still have 676 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: to work in person sometimes too, as we're seeing patients 677 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: in person. But I remember thinking on her telehealth days 678 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,240 Speaker 1: like how nice she could just feed the baby between patients, 679 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: Like who would have thought? So that is wonderful for you, 680 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: all right? Well, a related question, Oh, love of a week? 681 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: We had a lot of loves, but I will say 682 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 1: that my love of the week was the fact that 683 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,879 Speaker 1: every once in a while, especially my kid was doing 684 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: school for home one day and I was working from home, 685 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 1: I can enjoy a midday walk with a kid that 686 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: was like something I could have never even have conceived 687 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: of in the past, but was perfectly reasonable last Tuesday. 688 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, my love, big thumbs up for that. We've 689 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: done a few of those too, and it's it's nice. 690 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll just even do laps in the backyard with 691 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: a kid. I was going to say, my love of 692 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: the week is this my Eddie Bower coat. I'm getting 693 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: like a fourth Winter's wear out of it. I gave 694 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: my maternity coat that I had from last year to 695 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: somebody I joined a buying us in group, and I 696 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: passed along that coat to somebody who's newly pregnant who 697 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: needs a winter coat. But my Eddie Bower coat, I 698 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: bought it like four years ago, and it's long and 699 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:23,320 Speaker 1: it's warm, and those are both good things. Has a 700 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,839 Speaker 1: nice hood with fur around it, not real fur, fake fur, 701 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: but it comes down to my knees and so when 702 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm wearing my knee high waterproof winter boots and I'm 703 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: wearing this coat, there's literally like three inches of me exposed, 704 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: and that is about the right amount to be exposed 705 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: during the winter. So I am a big fan of that. 706 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: That's my love of the week. Puffy, long, warm coat. 707 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: That's awesome. All right, Well, our Q and A is 708 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: for you. I don't have much to add on this one, 709 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: but it's quick and it relates to some of the 710 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: things you mentioned today. So what was pregnancy like in 711 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: your forties or at forty Was it different from your 712 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: younger ones? So it's kind of hard to do because 713 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: I feel like i've sort of blocked it out in 714 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: the past. It's the kind of thing that was never pleasant, 715 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: and every time i'd find myself pregnant again, I'd be like, oh, yeah, 716 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: I really hated this, and I'm counting the days and 717 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: weeks till it's done, because I have never liked being pregnant. 718 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: I like babies, I like children, but I do not 719 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: like being pregnant. I do think that the recovery was harder. 720 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: It was harder to come back physically. I still feel 721 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: like I'm slower running than I was. I don't know why, 722 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: but I am. It took a little longer to feel 723 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: like I could even sort of walk around the house 724 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: without it being a painful experience. You know, the sleep 725 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: deprivation is hard at this point. I think one of 726 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: the things it's hard to compare those is, you know, 727 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: pregnancies when you're older, oftentimes you have other children, so 728 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, my first pregnancy when I was 729 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: in my twenties probably felt less hard. But on the 730 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: other hand, I didn't have another kid I was caring 731 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: for at the time, so you could just sleep when 732 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: you could or take it easy when you needed to, 733 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,839 Speaker 1: say on an afternoon on the weekend, and you don't 734 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: have that option when you have other children quite as easily, 735 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: so that makes pregnancies harder. So it's partly that you're 736 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 1: getting older, but it's also that you have more responsibilities 737 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: the other On the other hand, you know, you know 738 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: what's coming, and so that makes everything easier too. You're 739 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: not worried about what to expect when you're expecting. I've 740 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: found also being older, I just really don't care what 741 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: baby books say, or what pregnancy books say, or what 742 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: anyone else says. You know, just keep going along as 743 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 1: I wished too, and that was that was fine. So 744 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, in general, with listeners, I 745 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,920 Speaker 1: think having your babies younger is probably better just in 746 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: terms of your own energy level and your recovery. But 747 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: if it works out to have a baby when you're forty, awesome, 748 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: Like it's it's kind of you know, lucky to get 749 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: another baby at this point, and I'm really grateful that 750 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: I was able to have one, so you know, we're 751 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: excited to have a fifth member, a fifth kid in 752 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: the family. And given that that happened when I was forty, 753 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: that's that's great. I mean, maybe it would have been 754 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: smarter to have it earlier, but we didn't do it earlier, 755 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: so there we go, So there you go. Awesome. All right, Well, 756 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: this has been best of both worlds. We've been talking 757 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: about our lessons learned in twenty twenty, lots of things 758 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: that we've figured out. We'll be back next week with 759 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 1: more on making work and life fit together. Thanks for listening. 760 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: You can find me Sarah at the shoebox dot com 761 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can 762 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 763 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 1: been the best of both worlds podcasts. Please join us 764 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together. 765 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,560 Speaker 1: Out