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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff mom never told you. From how Supports

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Kristen

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Speaker 1: and I'm Caroline, and today we're talking about a health

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Speaker 1: issue that Caroline, I have reread it over since childhood.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, what I know. Most children probably don't freat

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Speaker 1: over very coast veins. But my mom was adamant that

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Speaker 1: I not cross my legs because of the old wives tale,

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Speaker 1: as it turns out that if you cross your legs

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Speaker 1: you'll get very coast veins. Because and I don't know

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Speaker 1: if she'd be cool with me sharing this with the world,

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Speaker 1: but she has very coast veins and underwent surgery for them.

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Speaker 1: It was super painful and really uncomfortable, and she was

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Speaker 1: always embarrassed about how her legs looked. So she channeled

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Speaker 1: that insecurity and you know, straight up health concern, loving

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Speaker 1: health concern to to me. So I've always been nervous

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Speaker 1: about that. And I'm I just realized that I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: at the podcast table with my ankles crossed, which is okay,

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Speaker 1: not one leg over the other. Now, I'm I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: like a man spreader right now because my I T

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Speaker 1: band is messed up. So I've got one leg like

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Speaker 1: way over to the side as a way to try

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Speaker 1: to stretch it out as I sit for two hours

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Speaker 1: as we record podcasts. But what kind of surgery did

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Speaker 1: she have for it? You know, I'd have to go

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Speaker 1: back and ask her, But I just I remember when

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Speaker 1: she had it. It might have been a scalare therapy procedure,

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Speaker 1: which we will explain later in the podcast. But I

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Speaker 1: just remember. Um I was in elementary school, I think

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Speaker 1: when she got the surgery, and I remember her being

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Speaker 1: laid up in bed for a while afterwards because she

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Speaker 1: couldn't really move around much. And I was very strange

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Speaker 1: hatting my mom, you know, on bed rest, because she

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Speaker 1: was such a you know, she was always doing everything.

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Speaker 1: It was like one of the rare weeks when she

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Speaker 1: wasn't well. My mom has not vericoas veins, although I

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Speaker 1: think she has some. My mom has an interesting vascular

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Speaker 1: thing going on that's on her legs and on her forearms.

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Speaker 1: And I'm hoping that by virtue of the fact that

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Speaker 1: we have a large intelligent audience, maybe somebody knows the

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Speaker 1: answer to this. But her vein problem is more like

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Speaker 1: spider veins, but they're not spider veins. Literally, no dermatologist

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Speaker 1: or vein specialists that she's gone to knows what the

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Speaker 1: problem is because it's all over her legs. It started

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Speaker 1: in her early twenties in her feet. I have the

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Speaker 1: same thing starting in my feet when I was in

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Speaker 1: my early to mid twenties. It hasn't spread yet the

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Speaker 1: way my mom's has, but it's very interesting. And she

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Speaker 1: too went and did the square therapy, which is incredibly painful.

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Speaker 1: And my mom who um, I'll just say that she

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Speaker 1: has a high tolerance for certain medications. She takes like

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Speaker 1: three viged in to go get the square therapy done,

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Speaker 1: and it's still killed her. Yeah, But then the veins

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Speaker 1: ended up just coming back. I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: because what she has isn't true spider or very coos veins,

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Speaker 1: or if it's just like a totally different condition, or

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Speaker 1: maybe she's you know, she's not wearing her compression stockings

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Speaker 1: long enough or what do you think our mom's would

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Speaker 1: be so annoyed right now if I knew that we

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Speaker 1: were talking about them, sure my mom would be horrified. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've also been thinking about very coos veins and spider

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Speaker 1: so vain but like nice fun um. So I've I've

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Speaker 1: always been curious about what they are, because I've known

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Speaker 1: that they're this this thing that causes discomfort and leg insecurity,

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Speaker 1: but I've never really known what exactly vericoas veins are.

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Speaker 1: So now we do listeners, we have, we have facts

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Speaker 1: a plenty for you, and let's start with some history,

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Speaker 1: as we often do, because here's the thing. If you

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Speaker 1: think that sclerotherapy is painful, well it's a whole lot

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Speaker 1: better than it used to be the old school treatments

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Speaker 1: for very coast veins, because not surprisingly, vericas veins have

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Speaker 1: been around in our human bodies since forever. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: cave people with cave veins. Yeah, we have records of

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Speaker 1: Hippocrates observing ver coast veins, and he thought that they

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Speaker 1: were more common among Scythians, which were a group of

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Speaker 1: of course you didn't have iPhones back then. Like what

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Speaker 1: did you do? I don't know. I guess you just twitter,

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Speaker 1: just thoughts, thoughts. Maybe people were more introspective back when

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Speaker 1: they were developing vericas veins while they were waiting for

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Speaker 1: the for the king. They also um noted links between

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Speaker 1: vericoas veins and pregnancy, which are a thing that exists

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Speaker 1: there there is an actual link between the two. But

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Speaker 1: this whole like standing in Verica's vain thing really worries

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Speaker 1: me because as I'm reading all of this research for

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Speaker 1: this episode. Kristin I was like, we have standing desks,

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Speaker 1: oh lord, But to be fair, like we tele a

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Speaker 1: work also, we sit down for lunch breaks, we sit

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Speaker 1: down for meetings. So there it's like a lot of

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Speaker 1: sitting and standing like a Greek wedding. It's not necessarily

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Speaker 1: all just standing all day long. I think I make

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Speaker 1: up for it in my like Netflix binge sessions. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: the thing is like we're failing ourselves either way because

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't stand all day, but you also shouldn't sit

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Speaker 1: and swimming desks. There we go for the waterproof laptops. Um,

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Speaker 1: but back to history, back back to the chime before laptops.

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Speaker 1: In sixteen o three, a super smart gentleman named Hieronymous

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Speaker 1: Fabricius talk about it, pretty snazzy name. He suspected a

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Speaker 1: pretty savvy observation. As we'll explain in just a minute,

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Speaker 1: But if you had vericose veins during the Middle Ages,

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Speaker 1: the kind of treatments that you might undergo would include

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Speaker 1: blood letting, cauterization, and very similar to compression tights and

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Speaker 1: stockings that you might wear today. They would wear lace

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Speaker 1: we could still technically do today if we wanted. They

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Speaker 1: numbers of people seeking treatments for spider veins and vericoast

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Speaker 1: Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgery. And they're super common. That's

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Speaker 1: the thing about vericoast veins. Of women and fort of

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Speaker 1: on Women's Health. And up to seventy of men and

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Speaker 1: and thirties. And so like, as I'm reading all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: so quick? Anatomy lesson just for a refresher. Our veins

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Speaker 1: and collecting and vericose veins forming there's totally nothing gross

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Speaker 1: blood Kristen in these sources. And so speaking of hormones,

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Speaker 1: high heels aren't terrific for our circulation. Surprise. Yeah, high

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Speaker 1: birth control hormones. Hello, the hormone fund never stops. As

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Speaker 1: progestine weakening those vein walls, so people who take birth

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Speaker 1: quick myth busting relevant to a number of stuff I've

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Speaker 1: never told you listeners and myself who have tattoos and

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Speaker 1: want to get more tattoos, even if you have vericas veins,

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Speaker 1: that like if you have ercas veins and you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: get tattoos, and assuming because of issues with needles and

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Speaker 1: that that tattoos could contribute to vericas veins because that's

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Speaker 1: also false. Yeah, just in case you were worried, it

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Speaker 1: have told you stuff your mom's scaremongered, Yeah, into you.

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Speaker 1: messages on Facebook, and we've got a couple of messages

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Speaker 1: to share with you right now. Well, I have a

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Speaker 1: when my groom and I began planning, family drama immediately

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Speaker 1: started to crop up. I feel really gross about my

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Speaker 1: father giving me away. I find it patriarchal and demeaning.

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Speaker 1: My fiance feels the same way, which is why he

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Speaker 1: didn't ask my dad for permission, because quote, it's not

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Speaker 1: a transaction. We are both fierce feminists, so we have

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Speaker 1: everyone else. Our weddings started becoming about other people rather

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Speaker 1: than about us in our love. So we talked about

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Speaker 1: it and I laughed it off until I knew that

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Speaker 1: I was finally getting kicked off my parents health insurance.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure I could put my fiancee

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Speaker 1: on my new insurance through work, since he is still uninsured,

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Speaker 1: and that was the nail in the coffin. While I

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Speaker 1: be heartbroken for getting cut out of something or the

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Speaker 1: other wedding would just be a sham. We realized that

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Speaker 1: we really just very desperately wanted to be married to

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Speaker 1: before Christmas and got married about a cute little white

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Speaker 1: dress and a veil, and we brought two of my

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Speaker 1: best friends to be witnesses. I have to say it

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Speaker 1: was absolutely magical. We got Mexican food and Margarita's after

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Speaker 1: and spend a night in a hotel, and it's been

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Speaker 1: wonderful being secretly married. This also meant that we didn't

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Speaker 1: have to deal with anything we thought of as patriarchal,

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Speaker 1: and it just became about us celebrating our love in

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Speaker 1: a very tiny and private way. So now that we've

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Speaker 1: had our Shakespearean elopement, that's what we tell ourselves. It's

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Speaker 1: taken some of the pressure off of planning the wedding,

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Speaker 1: but in other ways it's made it harder. There's been

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Speaker 1: difficult decisions already about venues, and we can't use the

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Speaker 1: excuse of at the end of the day will be

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Speaker 1: married because we already are, and I still don't want

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Speaker 1: to be given away by my father, but he's very

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Speaker 1: sentimental and it'll mean the world to him, so of

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Speaker 1: course I'll do it to reconcile myself with the fact

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Speaker 1: that this is an act of him selling me. We

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Speaker 1: will not have the officiant do the whole who gives

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Speaker 1: this woman to be given away? Woman in all caps,

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Speaker 1: because anyone who says this is obviously a blustering Puritan

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Speaker 1: judge from six seventy. I've also kicked around the idea

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Speaker 1: I won't make them. But this has already started to

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Speaker 1: be a wild, stressful experience. I can't even get quotes

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Speaker 1: on flowers, how much the flowers cost. But I'm very

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Speaker 1: much looking forward to the wedding despite everything. And ultimately

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Speaker 1: I think a wedding is a party to celebrate two

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Speaker 1: people who love each other and want to make that

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Speaker 1: love legally binding. Patriarchy be damned. She then thanks us

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Speaker 1: for introducing her to a practical wedding, and so thank you,

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Speaker 1: anonymous listener, for writing in and sharing your story. And

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Speaker 1: to answer anonymous is question flowers cost approximately a lot.

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Speaker 1: Take it for me? So I have a letter here

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Speaker 1: from Jen, also about our chat with Meg Kane from

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Speaker 1: a Practical Wedding, She writes, I particularly enjoyed your recent

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Speaker 1: part one episode on Practical Weddings. Meg Kine is fantastic

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Speaker 1: and I used her website as a near constant reference

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Speaker 1: when my wife and I got married in October. I

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Speaker 1: planning process. Because the Sminty Practical Wedding episodes are primarily

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Speaker 1: focused on traditional heterosexual weddings, I wanted to offer an

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Speaker 1: When my wife and I got engaged, my parents gave

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Speaker 1: addressed novel issues that gay couple's face when getting married,

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Speaker 1: above and beyond the traditional pressures and norms. For example,

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Speaker 1: one of the sections I loved was on the rs

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Speaker 1: VP attendance rate. The guide cautioned that the typical r

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Speaker 1: because guests maybe particularly eager to demonstrate their acceptance and

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Speaker 1: or tolerance. The book is very much in the spirit

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Speaker 1: of a practical wedding with its acknowledgement of many ways

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Speaker 1: to do weddings, while also providing some much needed advice

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Speaker 1: for same sex couples. I wanted to share and hope

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Speaker 1: you'll help spread the word. Well, thanks so much for

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Speaker 1: sharing this resource with us, Jen and it's been so

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Speaker 1: fun hearing folks is responses to a Practical Wedding And

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Speaker 1: if you'd like to send us an email, Mom stuff

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