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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Last with Us in September of last year. Paul Sellig

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Speaker 2: is considered to be one of the most foremost spiritual

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Speaker 2: channels working today, and his number of breakthrough works on

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Speaker 2: channel literature, including I Am the Word and Resurrection. He

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Speaker 2: has recorded an extraordinary program for personal and planetary evolution

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Speaker 2: as human kind awakens to its own divine nature. Born

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Speaker 2: in New York City, Paul received his master's degree from Yale.

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Speaker 2: A spiritual experience in nineteen eighty seven left him clairvoyant.

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Speaker 2: Paul served on the faculty of NYU for twenty five years,

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Speaker 2: directed the graduate writing program at Goddard College, and offers

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Speaker 2: channeled workshops internationally. He lives on MAUI. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: him about that tragedy out there, where he maintains a

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Speaker 2: private practice as an intuitive and conducts frequent livestream seminars. Paul,

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Speaker 2: welcome back. We were praying for you, my friend. How

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Speaker 2: are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm fine, Thank you for that. George. Good to be here.

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Speaker 2: How close did those fires get to you?

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Speaker 3: Not close. I'm on the north shore. The fires were

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Speaker 3: on the other side of the Island. There were fires

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Speaker 3: in Kula up country that were closer, and I was

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Speaker 3: sheltering people here during that.

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Speaker 2: What a tragedy, My God, My God, tell us what

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Speaker 2: happened to you back years ago for that experience in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven.

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Speaker 3: Well, I had just quit drinking. I was twenty five,

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Speaker 3: I had started praying, and I was raised an atheist,

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Speaker 3: so I didn't believe in any of that stuff. But

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Speaker 3: I started doing that. And then I heard this voice

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Speaker 3: telling me to get my act together, and I listened

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Speaker 3: to it. And a few months later there was this

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Speaker 3: thing happening. People were calling at the Harmonic Convergence and

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Speaker 3: they said people were going to be waking up. And

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Speaker 3: I thought, in my naivete, well, if there is a God,

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Speaker 3: or such a thing as God, and I was starting

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Speaker 3: to wonder, if there might be, and you asked to

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Speaker 3: be woken up, why would it want to say no?

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Speaker 3: And I went up to the roof of my house

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Speaker 3: where I was living in New York City at the time,

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Speaker 3: with a crystal and a mantra, somebody giving me one

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Speaker 3: of those things each, and I tried to teach myself

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Speaker 3: to meditate. The night before this event, and I had

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Speaker 3: what people have described as a spontaneous Kundlini awakening. I

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Speaker 3: may never really know what happened, but it was an

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Speaker 3: experience of energy moving through my body and out through

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Speaker 3: the top of my head that left me frozen up

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Speaker 3: there on the roof and swaying in this energy, and

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Speaker 3: I felt safe and I knew something was happening. And

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Speaker 3: I started to see little lights around people after that,

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Speaker 3: like fireflies. So I was beginning to open up. And

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Speaker 3: it was an awakening to a whole other life, I

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Speaker 3: have to say. And it wasn't very graceful, and it

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Speaker 3: wasn't terribly pleasant for a while, because my life as

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Speaker 3: I had known it was being challenged in very real ways.

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Speaker 2: And of course you have become one of the world's

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Speaker 2: most renowned channelers. It's truly remarkable. Your book here is

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Speaker 2: the eleventh book, the Book of Innocence. And though you

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Speaker 2: are writing the book, the channel of the spirits are

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Speaker 2: writing through you, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's actually no writing involved at all.

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Speaker 3: I sit in a chair, I close my eyes, I

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Speaker 3: hear one phrase repeated, I give voice to that one phrase,

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Speaker 3: and everything else tumbles out on top of it, and

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Speaker 3: the unedited transcripts of the recordings of these sessions become

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Speaker 3: the books, and I think the last eight books, seven

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Speaker 3: or eight were done entirely in front of audiences. So write,

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Speaker 3: I don't write these things. I literally am a stenographer

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Speaker 3: taking verbal dictation, and that's how these things come into being.

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Speaker 2: When we take calls, Paul, you'll take some questions from

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Speaker 2: our great listeners. We don't want to talk about the

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Speaker 2: debt or anything like that from them. But you you

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Speaker 2: actually go into like a trance like state or something,

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Speaker 2: don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I work two different When I'm here, I'm a radio.

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Speaker 3: Think of me like a radio. When I'm channeling the

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Speaker 3: guide they're the station that I'm tuned into. And sometimes

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Speaker 3: I whisper the words as they come and repeat them.

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Speaker 3: And that's one way that I work. And when I

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Speaker 3: work psychically, they call me a medium for the living.

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Speaker 3: So I don't get your dead ann Alice. But if

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Speaker 3: for five years, I may be able to tune into

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Speaker 3: her and tell you what's really going on and support

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Speaker 2: Now, when you deal with channeling over the years, have

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Speaker 2: you noticed a change in the spirits or how you work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big time. When I started, I didn't believe in channeling. Really.

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Speaker 3: I studied a form of energy healing, and when I

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Speaker 3: had my hands on people's bodies, I started to hear

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Speaker 3: the beginning of Clare Audience. And I had a little

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Speaker 3: for eighteen years where people would come and I I

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Speaker 3: would start to hear, but mostly we were working with

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Speaker 3: the energy. When I was forty eight years old and

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Speaker 3: I started doing this, you know, much younger, I quit smoking,

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Speaker 3: and I've been a heavy smoker. And suddenly they started

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Speaker 3: dictating full lectures, and very shortly after I was willing

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Speaker 3: to transcribe them and record them. They begin dictating the books.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating. Indeed, now the name of this book is called

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Speaker 2: the Book of Innocence. Tell me about that title.

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Speaker 3: I was surprised by the title too. I don't know

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Speaker 3: I go, oh, brother, what's this one going to be about?

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Speaker 3: But they say that there's an aspect in all of

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Speaker 3: us that is in what they call the They call

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Speaker 3: it the upper room. They say, it's the octave of

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Speaker 3: which is our idea of the reality that we're engaging in.

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Speaker 3: And this part of us has never been painted by

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Speaker 3: we've known. So this aspect of us is in innocence

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Speaker 3: But what they also say is that in the common

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Speaker 3: when that aspect of us is moving into articulation or

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Speaker 3: manifestation as and through us, it's also reclaiming our idea

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Speaker 3: whitewashing them, but coming to them from a very different perspective.

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Speaker 3: The guides say, everything is holy, but we can deny

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Speaker 2: Paul, Can you describe what the spirit guides are? Who

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Speaker 3: Well, they call themselves teachers. They've come with a name,

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Speaker 3: and they call themselves Malkiza deck, which is a priesthood.

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Speaker 3: I'm not that attached to the names. They've said. Some

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Speaker 3: They some of some have only known themselves in consciousness.

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Speaker 3: There's one I've seen and the only one that I've

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Speaker 3: seen over the years in a very specific way. But

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Speaker 3: wi Occasionally I can notice the slight differences in vocabulary

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Speaker 3: ascended masters, although I don't like that term either, because

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Speaker 3: beings that have moved to a level of consciousness beyond

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Speaker 2: I remember when you were first on with me years ago,

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Speaker 2: in the channeling occurred. It kind of scared me when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it scared me too, and not when I

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Speaker 3: heard it. When it started happening, I was going, what

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Speaker 3: But they're not scared, and they're extraordinarily loving, and they

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Speaker 3: say the world is on the brink of enormous change.

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Speaker 2: I believe that are you Are you aware of what

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Speaker 3: I'm taking dictation and I hear phrase after phrase after phrase.

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Speaker 3: If you can imagine somebody reading three hundred fortune cookies

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Speaker 3: I retain about a third of it, huh, from a lecture.

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Speaker 3: So I'm present, but I'm receded. I'm not in a

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Speaker 2: Do you tape yourself so you can have a record

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Speaker 3: I don't do this for myself, personal readings for myself.

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Speaker 3: That's not how I work. The work that comes through

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Speaker 3: me has always been for others, and since the very beginning.

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Speaker 3: But I channel a lot, and I do you know,

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Speaker 3: workshops that are live and online and everything is recorded

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Speaker 3: and transcribed, and it's now you know, there's an enormous

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Speaker 3: archive at this point, I mean, there's I just finished

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Speaker 3: channeling the twelfth book about four or five days ago,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know how many thousands of pages of

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Speaker 3: of everything else, all the other lectures that they've offered.

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Speaker 3: So they're prolific and they like to talk, and my

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the second book in the Manifestation trilogy.

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Speaker 2: It's called the Book of Innocence. Paul's website is linked

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Speaker 2: up at Coast Tocosdam dot com. It's his name, Paul S.

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Speaker 2: a presence on Twitter as well.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: How often are you dealing with the Spirit guides every day?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Every day. I'm not always channeling every day. I still,

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Speaker 3: you know, have clients that I work with, so I'm

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Speaker 3: reading for them, But most of my work now is channeling.

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Speaker 3: The book that was just delivered, that was five weeks

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Speaker 3: of dictation, took place over twenty two days of sessions

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Speaker 3: So I've been kept very busy by this.

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Speaker 2: Your Spirit Guides talk about what is called reclamation of memory.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: And the guides are I believe, taking us beyond that

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had a guide that you didn't.

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Speaker 3: Like, not a personal guide? No, you know. I people

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Speaker 3: way that I can describe it. And I don't encounter

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Speaker 3: it often, but I have. But the guides I work

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Speaker 3: with are teachers. They're not the personal guides who tell

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Speaker 3: know where to I don't know where to put the

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Speaker 3: That's not what these folks are. They're higher beings and

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Speaker 3: they really come with an agenda which is really far

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Speaker 3: beyond me. It's really for all of us.

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Speaker 2: What do you prefer, your psychic abilities or your channeling abilities.

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Speaker 3: What I like about the psychic abilities is that it

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Speaker 3: can be verified, you know. So I've been filmed stepping

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Speaker 3: into people that were you know, like if you ask

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Speaker 3: I'm being filmed, You'll see how I may summitize their relatives,

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Speaker 3: start to look like that person, start to gesture like them.

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Speaker 3: So I like all that stuff. And the readings are practical.

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Speaker 3: They're addressing our practical lives and relationships. And for me personally,

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Speaker 3: they've helped me trust the channeled work, which is so

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Speaker 3: far out there. You know, the fact that I can

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Speaker 3: close my eyes and dictate a whole book that doesn't

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Speaker 3: require editing.

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Speaker 2: Is what's magnificent' you know.

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Speaker 3: The small thing is I can manage, so you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes it's where do I leave my car keys. I

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Speaker 3: don't do a lot of that stuff, you know, I

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Speaker 3: mostly work with relational things, but I've worked with, you know,

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Speaker 3: parents with kids who have never spoken, you know, people

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Speaker 3: access information as long as somebody has a body. I

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Speaker 3: seem to be able to have some kind of access.

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Speaker 3: I have to tell people that I'm not a psychic spy.

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Speaker 3: People call and they say I've been cheating and I'm

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Speaker 3: not there.

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Speaker 2: You want to men, yep, what do you when we

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Speaker 2: take calls next hour? Are you the psychic or the channeler?

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Speaker 3: It depends on what the question is. If it's about

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Speaker 3: world stuff, I mean, if it's about consciousness, if it's

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Speaker 3: about spiritual growth, the guides come come through. I don't

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Speaker 3: think they care if we get the promotion at work.

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Speaker 3: I think they've got bigger fish to fry. But if

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Speaker 3: somebody is asking about their boss, that's psychic. If you're

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Speaker 3: asking about you know what you're I don't know what

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Speaker 3: The guides can often come through with that stuff too.

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Speaker 2: But you're flexible with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm flexible.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, Now, what do the guides mean by a

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Speaker 2: world made new?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the that that well that's the book that

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Speaker 3: they just finished. Was that's the title of the twelfth book.

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Speaker 2: That's the one after the Book of Innocence after that.

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Speaker 3: But there's probably a title A World Made New in

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Speaker 3: the last book. They tend to build on their teachings.

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Speaker 3: A world may new is what we're coming to, and

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Speaker 3: it's a world they say that's claimed at a higher

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Speaker 3: level of consciousness. They say, you know, we've been at

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Speaker 3: without it. They said, we've been at war since somebody

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Speaker 3: So to move beyond that, because we tend to get

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Speaker 3: what we expect, and we expect what we've had, we

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Speaker 3: have to move to a level of consciousness where other

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Speaker 3: They actually say that you align at a level of

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Speaker 3: level of consciousness that actually reclaims everything. They say sometimes

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Speaker 3: things like God sees God in all of its creation.

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Speaker 3: So the aspect of you or anyone who knows who

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Speaker 3: inherent divine and manifestation. It's a trippy teaching that kind

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Speaker 3: of gets into physics, I think, but I failed science,

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