1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calbasi joins me 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: as we begin week three of training camp. At the 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: first preseason game coming up on Friday, expect to see 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: a lot of the young talent on this team, especially 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: along the offensive line. We'll get into what Sean Coogler 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: had to say about his group. But first, mandatory mustache. 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 1: It's Cardinals Cover two, episode five seventy eight, and it 8 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: starts now. Welcome to Cardinals Cover two, Hitting the backfield 9 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: and Downey goes for a loss. JJ Watt Nailed It. 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hun Day, proud partner 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,639 Speaker 1: acy Cardinals dot com Slash Podcasts. He's at the ten 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: half of five. He's in again, so for Harry Magic. Whoa, 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: here's Craig Grioloup Mike. Never say this again, but I'll 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: say this at least once and only once. It is 16 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: a shame disappointing that Paul Calvisi did not report the 17 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: training camp with his mustache as typically he does, only 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: to shave it off minutes later just because of all 19 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: the ribbing he gets. But after seeing Max Williams up 20 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,639 Speaker 1: close on Monday. I would love to do a side 21 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: by side comparison to see who rocks it better, so 22 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: you have a newfound appreciation for said mustache. Is that 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: what you're seeing. I do one because I just can't 24 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: grow the facial hair like you. That's one. And then 25 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: two it's it's a little different, it's something new and well, 26 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: keep in mind it takes me all of the two 27 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: and a half weeks of vacation, and actually this year 28 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: I cheated. I started five days before vacation to give 29 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: it a bit of a head start, and then I 30 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: got cold feet because I well, number one, I didn't 31 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: realize McCoy was going to show up with such a 32 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: glorious mustache. I had no idea. And then I had 33 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: no idea that Max Williams was going to come off 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: pop so early in camp. If I would have been 35 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: privy to that information greed, then I maybe just maybe 36 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: would have rocked it. Because there's comfort in numbers. So 37 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: that's really the key, and you're right at the very end, 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: I chicken out. In fact, the morning of the first 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: day to report to camp, I shaved it off. I 40 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: was so resolute and then I chickened out. Well, there's 41 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: always next season to see how that mustache might stack 42 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: up with Max Williams, who didn't mention that as much 43 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: as he likes it at quote, I think it's gonna 44 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: have to go soon. We'll see, and I think he's 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: getting a little tired of the maintenance. Paul, you can 46 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 1: speak to this really right, that the maintenance of a mustache. Well, 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: there's also the maintenance of the spouse as well, so 48 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: you know that's really what he was saying there. He's 49 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: a married man myself. Let me translate the wife. There's 50 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: only so much of a shelf life on the mustache 51 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: before the wife intervenes and can make life very difficult 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: for you. I'm gonna make the smooth transition to you 53 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: brought it up and now you're sorry mustache, to actually 54 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: Max Williams on the field, because there were some other 55 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: news on Monday, and the fact that for the first 56 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: time in training camp we saw Max Williams participates in 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: eleven on eleven and with some contact against another player. 58 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: Now we haven't seen him go through one on one 59 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: blocking drills, but going through eleven on eleven and you 60 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: mentioned it coming off publist last Thursday. Was not expecting 61 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: that in week two a training camp. Here we are 62 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: in week three, and dare I say potential of Max 63 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Williams being available ready week one? Paul, we're a little 64 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: over a month away. Is that? Is that saying too much? 65 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: I think so to say it right now is saying 66 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: too much. Let me just leave it at that. I'm 67 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: not even sure after sitting through the prose conference with Max, 68 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: he's even sure exactly where he's going to stand still 69 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: four weeks from now. I mean, we have a long 70 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: way to go before the regular season opener against the 71 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. So I think everybody obviously Hope said 72 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: he's available. You're in Max Williams saying, oh yeah, I'll 73 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: get out there. We'll run thirteen personnel all day. He 74 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: threw out there, Zach Ertz and Trey McBride and Max Williams, 75 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: and man, that would be a new package. I mean, 76 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: to show up with something no one has ever seen 77 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: on film before. Now you're also assuming that Cliff Kingsbury 78 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: he actually has that page in his playbook, which we're 79 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: not exactly certain of. We know that Hollywood Brown is 80 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: familiar with it, and Max Williams is familiar with it 81 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: from their Baltimore days, but whether it would actually be 82 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: reality here with the Cardinals, I don't know. But as 83 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: for Max Williams, the personality is still upbeat. He's still 84 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: one of the most popular guys in that locker room. 85 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: He's definitely ahead of schedule, at least everything the media 86 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: was told. To your point, he's out there eleven on 87 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: eleven butt until we see him full contact, full football, 88 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: doing what he does best, and that is a blocking 89 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: TI tight end who was so stout at the point 90 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: of attack. Until we see that out of Max Williams, 91 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: then guess what. I just don't think it is realistic 92 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: until that moment comes. It was week five, October tenth 93 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: here at State Farm Stadium against the San Francisco forty 94 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: nine ers, and up until that point, he was trending 95 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: for having a career year through the first four games 96 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: of the regular season, and an o Ron Wilfley points 97 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: to Max Williams when we talk about those first four 98 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: games as far as what the offense was doing thirty 99 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: plus points, four hundred plus total yards of offense, and 100 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: what effect Max Williams has on this offense. Win healthy 101 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: and the run game was at its best when Max 102 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: Williams was in uniform for two reasons. One, he's a 103 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: heck of a blocking tight end, and number two, as 104 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: we've detailed this offseason, it's much less of a tell 105 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: when you have a duel tight end out there, really 106 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: keeps a defense guessing. It really keeps an offense under 107 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: disguise when you have that sort of tight end out 108 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: on the field, which is one of the reasons I 109 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: firmly believe they drafted Trey McBride. I think two things 110 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: happened last year the GM, Steve Kim and company. They realized, one, 111 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: old boy, you know what a center really is that valuable? 112 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: When they got Rodney Hudson into camp and they got 113 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: him in uniform. They realized, Wow, look what a center 114 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: can really do for your quarterback in your offense in general. 115 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: And number two, look what a duel tight end can 116 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: do for your offense as well, the ability to block 117 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: and catch. And what we've seen so far, the rookie 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: Tray McBride is as advertised. He definitely checks both boxes. 119 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: He catches the ball so easy, he does not fight 120 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: the football at all. He is a natural pass catcher. 121 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: Trey McBride, and you were standing there when Wolf was 122 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: raving about the legs, the tree trunks on Trey McBride 123 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: and the lower half. His ability to hold up in 124 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: the point of attack is we have seen when it's 125 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: been tight ends against outside linebackers. He's been very stout 126 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: and very physical. And the good news is Trey McBride 127 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: back on the practice field on Monday, was not participating 128 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: in eleven on eleven, but he had missed the past 129 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: couple of days because of the back issue and the 130 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: goal is for him to be able to go on 131 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: Friday and get some preseason reps against the Cincinnati Bengals. 132 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: Back to Max Williams and what Cliff Kingsbury had to say, 133 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: Colleen Williams one of the best blocking tight ends that 134 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: he's ever seen. And then that topic of conversation about 135 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: twelve personnel thirteen personnel, we did see it, albeit briefly, Paul, 136 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: on Monday, three tight ends near the goal line, I believe, 137 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, it was Steven Anderson, Bernhard's Psychovids 138 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: and I think Dion Yelder, but there were three tight 139 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: ends on the field with Colt McCoy under center and 140 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: then there was a flag throne, so the play never 141 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: officially happened. Now, maybe that was just some my candy 142 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: for Ron Wilfley, who was standing next to us. I 143 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: don't know, but Wolf jumping up and down at that 144 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: very moment. He had everything, he had the tight ends, 145 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: he had this under center, right, you know, but you know, 146 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: would like to see maybe not three, but when you 147 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: have a a Max Williams who can do both, when 148 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: you have Tran McBride who certainly can catch, now how 149 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: good is he at blocking in the National Football League, 150 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: and Zach Ertz who's a very good past catcher, if 151 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: you can find some way to utilize all three or 152 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: two of the three, and just kind of let's go 153 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: back to what McBride says. You always point to it 154 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 1: his offseason comments. Disguise the offense a little bit. Look, 155 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: the offense is going to have to evolve, and that 156 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: would be a big area, a big, big consideration to 157 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: you know, improve this offense, get it a little more dynamic. Now, 158 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: whether Kyler is going to be the guy under center 159 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: all that much more often this year, maybe I'll believe 160 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: it when I see it, But I think tight end especially, 161 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, the word on zach Ertz is he had 162 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: an excellent offseason. He really looked good at first week 163 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: at camp. Now the good news is right now, I've 164 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 1: always missed the last week or so with a calf injury. 165 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: He's out of the boot. You see him on the sideline. 166 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: You know there's he doesn't see a hitch in the 167 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: guinea up, so there's no reason to think otherwise that 168 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: it isn't a minor injury and he's tracking to be ready. 169 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: In fact, zach Ertz, I think looks so good early 170 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: that if you didn't maybe have a JJ Watt type 171 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: injury last year, and you're gonna really air on the 172 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: side of caution and make sure he's under wraps until 173 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: you get to the end of August and early September. 174 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: That would not surprise me if that was the case. 175 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: Was zach Ertz. Plus, you have so many other tight 176 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: ends on the roster who need reps, especially in these 177 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: preseason games. You named a few of them. You know 178 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: another number that stood out people on the sideline, people 179 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: in the know of said Steven Anderson has looked really good. 180 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 1: Number eighty nine. Former receiver now at tight end, Chris 181 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: Pierce junior former wide receiver rookie tight end got a 182 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: shout up from Max Williams. They are really deep at 183 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: that position. And we've also seen, have we not that 184 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: tight end in the backfield a lot more in this 185 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: training campus at h so it's interesting. We also saw 186 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: a couple of two backs sets today in front of 187 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: the fans in an open practice James Conner Eno Benjamin. 188 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: In fact, it was back to back plays, whether they 189 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: were split behind quote McCoy or just a little bit 190 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: of an offset. I again, what happens in training camp 191 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: versus what happens in the regular season. We'll see if 192 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: what the head coach saw on film during these practices 193 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: he says, all right, let's try to run it because 194 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: we all want to see something a little different, or 195 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: maybe it's not done early on but later in the season. 196 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: So there's that dramatic drop off offensively that we can 197 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: avoid this year. And you call it installed, right, there's 198 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: a lot of everything gets installed in training camp. Now 199 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: when it comes to game week, you're only taking chapters 200 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: out of that voluminous playbook, right, and there's only and 201 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: so you know, are there chapters that are being installed 202 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: now that you won't see unveiled until December. That is 203 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: the sixty four million dollar question. What exactly happen each 204 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: of the last two years where the Cardinals lost five 205 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: of their last seven and missed the playoffs. In twenty 206 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: twenty lost five of their final six, include the playoff loss. 207 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: If you're gonna self Scott in the offseason, it starts 208 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: and ends right there. What can you do differently come 209 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: December and January? And if it's a matter of the 210 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: offense getting a little too predictable and defense is catching 211 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: up over the course of a season once there's more 212 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: and more game film, because look, once you put something 213 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: on film, good or bad, guess what you're gonna see 214 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: it from the opposition until you either stop it or 215 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: you beat it. That's just the way it works in 216 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: the NFL. And it got to a point last year 217 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, injuries or otherwise, the Cardinals were not 218 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: able to beat certain looks in certain schemes and defensive 219 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: approaches to what they were doing on offense, and it 220 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: costs them down the stretch. And this is the time 221 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: here at Cardinals Training Camp powered by Cox, where you 222 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: can do different things, where you can experiment a little 223 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: bit and see what works. Speaking of experiments, the emergency 224 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: kicker experience, we had a chance to hear from special 225 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: teams coordinator and head coach Jeff Rogers on Monday, and 226 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: he mentioned Eno Benjamin was out kicking field goals because 227 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: knock on wood, we don't have to utilize door number two, 228 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: if you will. But then he kind of hinted that 229 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: there was another player one hundred and fifty pounds heavier 230 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: than Eno Benjamin, and Paul, You and I were actually 231 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: watching that portion of practice where there was some seven 232 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: on seven going on on one side of the field 233 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: and the offensive line was on the other side of 234 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: the field, and Matt Prader was kicking and the ball 235 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: was all teed up nice, nicely, and then all of 236 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: a sudden, let's go back to our conversation on Friday, 237 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: my new favorite player on this Cardinals team, Will Hernandez 238 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: just calmly, in stride kicked the ball and it sailed 239 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: over the fence and it actually looked pretty good. Matt 240 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: tells us later that way, Well, Hernandez kicked in college, 241 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: so perhaps emergency kicker Eno Benjamin versus Will Hernandez. You 242 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: heard it here first on Cardinals Cover two. Apparently Will 243 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: Hernandez has a soccer background and so he's very adept 244 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: at kicking a ball. So and you're right, he was 245 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: very impressive and all he has to do is get 246 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: some of that body weight behind that leg and boom, 247 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: it'll take off. And it certainly did, so Eno, Benjamin 248 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: will Hernandez, there's your camp competition to be the backup 249 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: kicker or a position you hope you never have to utilize. 250 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: But but somebody asked to be the answer to that question, right, 251 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: because you never exactly know what's going to happen now 252 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: the backup or emergency long snapper, as we found out 253 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: last year. Sean Harlow correct, So, okay, you have your specialist, 254 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: but you know, Jeff Rogers, the special team's coach, has 255 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: to have an answer there. And it was very intriguing 256 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: to see Will Hernandez. There's no doubt that would be 257 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: an absolute viral video if indeed he ever gets into 258 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: a game and he kicks. It's sort of like Alan 259 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: Branch back in the day. Six foot six, three fifty 260 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: pound Alan Branch said he was a kick returner in 261 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: high school and I stepped. Are you kidding me? If 262 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm if I'm a parent and my kid is on 263 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: kick cover and Alan Branch is a return man, I'm 264 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: going personally down to the fielding yanking him off in 265 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: the name of his own safety. Yeah, you wave the 266 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: white flag on that one. Just say all right, just 267 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: just it's it's done. It's onto the next play. Will Hernandez, 268 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: if he ever trots out on the football field, all 269 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: sixty three three thirty two pounds of him for a 270 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 1: field goal of what maybe twenty five thirty yards? Yeah, 271 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: count me. I'm all in for that one, because I 272 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: do think this can be I don't know if a 273 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: career resurgence is the correct term, but I am reminded 274 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: of the conversation that you and Will had in the 275 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: off season on the Big Red Rage about pro football 276 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: focus and the lack of confidence in those numbers that 277 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: the office of Lineman like. But the first year after 278 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: you TEP, after being with Sean Coogler, now coming back 279 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: here reunited, on how much those two can get back 280 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: on the same page. And with Will Hernandez and Sean 281 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: Kula being back together again, maybe we see an uptick 282 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: in hernandez His play compared to the last couple of 283 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: years with the Giants. Yeah, the rating from Pro Football 284 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Focus was that he had a declining grade each of 285 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: his four years in the NFL. That his highest grade 286 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: was as a rookie, when he was the second highest 287 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: guard taken in the twenty eighteen draft, behind Quenton Nelson 288 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: of the Indianapolis Colts. So he was very highly drafted, 289 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: he was verily highly thought of, and he had a 290 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: very solid rookie year. But then once again those numbers decline. 291 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: All right, couple of reasons. Number one, guess what the 292 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: New York Giants in four years had how many different 293 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: offensive line coaches? Four? Unbelievable, But he kept going through 294 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 1: different position coaches which had diminishing returns in terms of 295 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: its impact. And the number two, he said, you know what, 296 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: if you go back to that rookie year in my 297 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: New York Giants film, this is his quote. Now, there's 298 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: a lot of Kugler on that tape, meaning the respect 299 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: he has for his current position coach, who was his 300 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: head coach and position coach at UTAP And so you 301 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: know what, I think, combined with everything else, proximity to 302 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: where he grew up in the Las Vegas area and 303 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: everything else he needed a fresh start. He wanted to 304 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: reunite with Sean Coogler in the name of his own career, 305 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: because it really is a make or break year. As 306 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: he told the media just the other day, he said, 307 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: you know what, hey, no vetde no vetde is and 308 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: he smiled and sort of pounded his chest and rightfully so. 309 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: Will Hernandez looks like a really motivated guy this year, 310 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: and it makes sense for everything we just said. It's 311 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: a one year contract, so it's a contract year. Can 312 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: he put something on film during the seventeen games to 313 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: all of a sudden perhaps looking forward to next year. 314 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: DJ Humphrey's signed, Rodney Hudson is under contract. That's it 315 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: as far as this offensive line is concerned. Ken Hernandez, 316 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: I know we're really early in this conversation, but he 317 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: can he be one of those answers at the guard position. 318 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: If Justin Murray doesn't get hurt last year, I think 319 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: it's a much different season for the Arizona Cardinals. That's 320 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: the degree which I thought right guard became a liability 321 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: and for everything we talked about in the offseason, Oh, 322 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 1: can the Cardinals get another receiver? Here comes Hollywood Brown, 323 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: can the Cardinals get another corner, and are they still 324 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: going to sign a corner edge rusher minus Chandler Jones 325 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: defensive tackle. I get it to me. You could argue 326 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: right guard was the biggest liability slash weakness a year 327 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: ago after Justin Murray went down early in the season. 328 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: They just never had an answer. It was constantly an 329 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: issue and pass protection and the run game. And honestly, 330 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: my own speculation had thought, I think it rattled the 331 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: confidence of the quarterback who always had to worry about 332 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: the right guard spot being a sieve. And so with 333 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: that in mind, you sign a Will Hernandez. I think 334 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a heck of an addition if he 335 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: keeps up what we've seen early in camp and not 336 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: by coincidence, Josh Jones is now a tackle, as Sean 337 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: Coogler told everyone, no fault of his own. He's his 338 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: six foot seven lifelong tackle. That's just his position, that's 339 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: what he plays. So now his position flexibility's either left 340 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: or right tackle instead of tackle or interior line. And 341 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: the only reason he played guard was because of the 342 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: injury Justin Murray. He was one of the best five 343 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: and position flexibility the versatility, get your best five out there. 344 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: But Kugler mentioned he played out of position last season. 345 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: That's why he struggled, the number of penalties, the number 346 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: of false starts going backwards instead of forwards. But if 347 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,479 Speaker 1: he can just concentrate on tackle, where he played his 348 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: entire career in Houston and college. As far as being 349 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: that left tackle, now, the question is is there a 350 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: potential of him beating out Kelvin Beecham on the right side. 351 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that so far, but he's certainly going 352 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: to be right now in the mix to be that 353 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: swing tackle. It was interesting here Sean Kugler tell the 354 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: media he considers SHOs Shones quote a future starter. Now. 355 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: I don't think the future is now, but they have 356 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: seen nothing to this side themselves that they got real 357 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: value in round three a couple of years ago when 358 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: they took Josh Jones out of Houston. So you have that. 359 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: You also have Lucida Smith and Markis Hayes who have 360 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: gotten a lot of action early in camp. Lucita Smith 361 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: at center and look, he's gonna have to dial down 362 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: the shotgun snaps. They've gone awry here and there. But 363 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: as someone playing the position, for the very first time 364 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: and having to worry about snapping the ball and then 365 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: taking on an NFL defensive lineman in those one on 366 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: one drills, you can understand. But if if they can 367 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: get Lucia Smith to evolve into what they think he 368 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: can be as a former tight end with great feet, 369 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: good size, unbelievable strength, very stout, that could be a 370 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: real fine. On Day three of this year's draft, Clinton 371 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: Harris on the Day Patch podcast earlier this offseason called 372 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: Smith a steel in my opinion, and playing a brand 373 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: new position. Had never lined up in the center position. 374 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: And it's difficult. You say, snapping the football, that's hard enough, 375 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: But now when you're in shotgun and you're asked to 376 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: snap the ball cleanly and quickly for someone who's never 377 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: done it before, I think we'd take it for granted. 378 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,719 Speaker 1: But we've seen it from Rodney Hudson. There are some 379 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: snaps that go a right. It is not that easy. 380 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: I'll give you an example, number ninety on your roster 381 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: right Raschard Lawrence, guy who just met the media moments ago, 382 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: great here at Cardinals camp, and he said, when I'm healthy, 383 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 1: I consider myself one of the better nose tackles in 384 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: this league. Pretty interesting from a guy doesn't have a 385 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: lot of experience to speak of in this league as 386 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: of yet and dealt with injuries most of last year. 387 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 1: But when you stand in the sidelines with guys who 388 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: have played the defensive front and know what they're looking at. 389 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: When Number ninety was in one of some of the drills, 390 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: Kyle Vannabosh Stanner right next to us, and right away 391 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: he cited the get off on a Raschard Lawrence, which 392 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: was part of his scouting report coming out of LSU. 393 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: He has a phenomenal first step. He reacts quickly after 394 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: the snap of the ball. So now you're Lucina Smith, 395 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: you're learning the center position. You got to worry about 396 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: the shotgun snap, and you have Rashard Lawrence in his 397 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: get off straight in front of you three and twenty 398 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: plus pounds. So yeah, there's a lot on the play 399 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: to the rookie out of Virginia Tech Lucida Smith. But 400 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,439 Speaker 1: they are bullish on what they've seen so far. And 401 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: now you have three preseason games and that's where a 402 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: lot of these young guys really make their strides. Over 403 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,239 Speaker 1: the next few games. In this month of August, and 404 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: it'll be very telling. And I think you would agree, 405 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, based on where we are in practice right now. 406 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: Everybody needs a game, and I think the evaluators need 407 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: a game at this point. They need to see some 408 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: of these Cardinals players, especially the young, unproven players, go 409 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: against a different team, a different jersey, and just where 410 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: the intensity is one hundred percent so they can get 411 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: a true gauge of what they have. Well, Lawrence brought 412 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: it up. I need to see a different color uniform. 413 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: I need to hit somebody else that's not a teammate 414 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: that I might hurt in practice. But preseason game number 415 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: one coming up on Friday against the Cincinnati Bengals, War 416 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: thirty Kickop twelve thirty pre game on the Arizona Cardinals 417 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: Radio Network. Paulie, you're gonna have the play by play 418 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: along with Drew Stanton. We're gonna boot Dave Passion Ron 419 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: Wolfley out of the radio booth. Okay, they're doing TV, 420 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: but watch h on television, but turn up Paul and 421 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: Drew and get a good look at these young players, 422 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: whether it's a young offensive lineman like a Lucida Smith 423 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: or Mark hys Hayes or some of those young defensive 424 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: lineman as well, especially those pass rushers. Okay, I'm glad 425 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: you said that, because I was gonna ask you which 426 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: player not named so far you're most looking forward to 427 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: seeing at Cincinnati. I'll go first because my J Sanders 428 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: is the guy I'd love to see forty one. I'm 429 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: really curious what he looks like talking to the media today, 430 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: and I just asked him about going against NFL offensive 431 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: lineman right away, he cited DJ Humphreys, and you know 432 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: what he's encountered going against a Pro Bowl caliber left 433 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: tackle Josh Jones as well. He's cited, but he's made 434 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: some He's made some tackles not named DJ Humpreys look 435 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: pretty pedestrian. And some of these drills with what he 436 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: calls his speed rush, which is a legit speed rush. 437 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: He has a lot of athleticism, he has a lot 438 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: of length, he has a lot of bend. I'm real curious, 439 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: especially there's probably nobody has motivated as am J Sanders 440 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: or a preseason game, just the factors back in Cincinnati, 441 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,719 Speaker 1: and he went to see you, and he mentioned how 442 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: important it is to him to go back and show 443 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: all the Bearcats at SEU that you know what, it's 444 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,959 Speaker 1: possible you can get from the college game to the NFL, 445 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: even though there were nine Bearcats drafts, which which is 446 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: a remarkable stat for that program, and of course they 447 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: went to the college football semifinals and all that. But 448 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: my j Sanders, I am er. I'm gonna have half 449 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: an eye on him while we're calling the game, my 450 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: untrained eye just watching training camp practices here at State 451 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: Farm Stadium, it would appear to me that Sanders is 452 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: a little bit ahead of Cameron Thomas, agreed, And that's 453 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: just watching how quickly Sanders gets off the line of 454 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: scrim and that speed rush that we keep hearing about. 455 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: Cameron Thomas a little bit more powerful, and he's playing 456 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: more inside of Sanders when they're lined up next to 457 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: one another. Now that's a package that how often we'll 458 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,479 Speaker 1: see on the field. Sanders certainly appreciates it, likes it. 459 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: May have tipped us off a little bit more than 460 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: he wanted to, kind of like try McBride in the 461 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: offseason talking about the two tight ends on the field 462 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: at the same time. But Thomas, your third round pick, 463 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: eighty seventh overall, Sanders third round pick, one hundred overall, 464 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: remember that was part of the Hollywood Brown trade with 465 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. But I think again, you can't replace 466 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: a Chandler Jones, so it's got to be by committee 467 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: who steps up. We're all focused on Marcus Golden, Dennis 468 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: Gardock on the other side. Can he get back to 469 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: that form two years ago when on limited snaps he 470 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: had what seven sacks and ninety three and ninety four snaps? 471 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: Devon Knard we haven't really see him rush the quarterback 472 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: in a Cardinals uniform. He does have experience with the 473 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions. He's more of that run stopper. But okay, 474 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: outside of Canard, Golden and Guardek, who else does this 475 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: team have? About what my j Sanders said about Dennis Gardek, 476 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: he said, and I'm quoting loosely, the craziest thing I've 477 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: ever seen is Guardak rushing the passer. And then he 478 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: was asked a follow up question about he said, well, 479 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: just he's so fluid. He never wastes a step. There's 480 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 1: no false movement, you know. And there's two totally different 481 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: body types of Dennis Gardek, who's like a six foot 482 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: pit bull, and then you have a six foot five 483 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: long athletic guy like a my J. Sanders. Not to 484 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: say that Guardak is an athletic, he's ridiculously athletic. Oh 485 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: I do is watch him on special teams at last 486 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: under size for what we typically think of when we're 487 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: talking about edge rusher. Yeah, he just gets low all 488 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: the time, he gets underneath these offensive linemen and then 489 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he gets the edge with leverage 490 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: and he's almost like a wrestler playing a pass rusher. 491 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: And so once again, you know, we've talked about this, 492 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: if you can get just different body types to give 493 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: these tackles a variety of challenges over the course of 494 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: a game, if you truly have this rotation going, whether 495 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: it's the Junkyard Don Barcus Golden, whether you know it's 496 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: a My J. Sanders who's more akin to a Chandler 497 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 1: Jones type, at Dennis Gardeck, who was singular in so 498 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: many ways in this league, the way he rushes the passer. 499 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: You know that that could be the Cardinals competitive advantage 500 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to getting some pressure off the edge. 501 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: And give credit to Sanders for bringing up Guardeck because 502 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: coming into the NFL and you've got you know, you're 503 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: six foot five and you see someone that's six feet 504 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: tall and not a household name. Seems to be either 505 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: Sanders has watched and learned very quickly since arriving here, 506 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: or he's watched tape of Guardeck and done his homework 507 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: to realize, Yeah, he might be under sized. I might 508 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: be stronger, quicker, faster than this Dennis Gardeck, but he 509 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: knows how to get to the quarterback. Maybe I can 510 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: learn some tricks from him as far as how to 511 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: get better into the backfield quicker than maybe I'm already doing. Now. Yeah, 512 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: he probably realized he got here and he said, wait 513 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: a minut this guy just got a three or twelve 514 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: million dollar contract extension, so obviously he's doing something right. 515 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: And then just Guardak being the personality is you know, 516 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure those two have you know, grown a friendship 517 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: between the two of them. Anyone else agree that you're 518 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: looking at in this game on Friday night, you know, 519 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: I look up and down here and you see some 520 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 1: of the you know, all the different receivers like a 521 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: Greg Dortch for example. There was a play probably the 522 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: play of the Red and White on Saturday and for 523 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: the eighteen thousand fans who were out here, I think 524 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: you would agree where Vance Joseph brought the house. There 525 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: were seven guys going after the quarterback, Jared Garantano. He 526 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: came off to his right, sprinted to the right. Just 527 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: when he thought he was maybe going to step out 528 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: of bounds to throw it away, instead he unleashed sort 529 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: of a sort of a sidearm throw down the sideline, 530 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: a laser of a pass that hugged the sideline, got 531 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: passed a couple of defenders and Greg Dorch snagged it 532 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: toe tapped it up and it was a great play 533 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: the pitch and catch, very athletic on both sides. So 534 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: Greg Dortch has made a lot of plays. Now you 535 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: see can he do it in these preseason games. One 536 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: name on defense, and again it's another draft pick, but 537 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: seventh round selection Christian Matthew, the cornerback who did get 538 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: based off of Marco Wilson being a little bit more 539 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: limited on Monday. But we're seeing Christian Matthew gets some 540 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: looks with the first team just based off the rotation. 541 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: But if you can find something with him six two one, 542 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: talk about a taller cornerback. Now, can he be as 543 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: physical with the wide receivers in the National Football League. 544 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: But I like his backstory. I like how he arrived 545 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 1: giving football a second opportunity after nearly taking a job 546 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: with I think if I remember with Walmarts and just 547 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: putting football in the rear view mirror. But his girlfriend 548 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: said no, let's just roll the dice one more time, 549 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: and the Cardinals selected him in the seventh round, and 550 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: that phone call, as he told us in the offseason, 551 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: changed his life, literally changed his life. And you want again, 552 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,200 Speaker 1: I know it's this day three pick, it's a seventh 553 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: round selection, but can you find can you find that 554 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: jem on Day three? Can it be someone at a position? 555 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: Let's be honest, cornerback. That position needs to find some 556 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,479 Speaker 1: depth because if you don't find it here early in 557 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: these preseason games, then they're gonna be making moves and 558 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: finding someone off the street, no doubt. By the way, 559 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Brewer's story of how he got into the NFL, right, 560 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: you mentioned Matt Prador. Do you know that as a 561 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: rookie he lived in Prador's basement Aaron Brewer basement. As 562 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: a rookie in Denver, Prador opened up to him and said, 563 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: because he made the team basically out of nowhere. He 564 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: showed up. And even Aaron Brewer says, you know, I 565 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: showed up in Denver. You know they signed me out 566 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: of San Diego State. I wasn't even wasn't going to 567 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: go to the San Diego State Pro Day. Special teams 568 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: coach said, show up. There was one special teams coach 569 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: there from the NFL. Happens to be the name Jeff Rogers. 570 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: Brought me into camp. He said, I thought, you know, 571 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,479 Speaker 1: what's the worst that gonna happen. Hey, maybe I'll get 572 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: to meet Peyton Manning. He shows up. Is the quintessential 573 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: camp body against the veteran long snapper at the time. 574 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: He ends up winning the job. He had nowhere to 575 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 1: live once he got out of the dorms. He had 576 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: no car to drive. Matt Pradors set him up in 577 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: both they would commute to practice every day. He's living 578 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: in Prader's basement and it's just a great story about 579 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: now eleven years later, Boom. Aaron Brewer one of the 580 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: most established long snappers in the league, and I'm sure 581 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: he's made quite a living doing it. And his seventh season, 582 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: going into his seventh Seas with the Cardinals. Certainly a 583 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: value to the special teams group when you talk about 584 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: Prador Brewer and Andy Lee as well. By the way, 585 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: Paul the pipes, are we good for Friday to do 586 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: play by play? We've got two games that middle preseason 587 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: game with national television, you'll kind of get bumped to 588 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: the sideline. But are we good to go on Friday 589 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: from Cincinnati? Agree? I think you need to worry about 590 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: your own backyard. You've got like four and a half 591 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: hours a pregame show to do, so you know, you 592 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: better make sure you're ready to go and have the 593 00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: hot teams the heavy lift because your duty are so 594 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: enormous and superseding what I do prior to your arrival 595 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: in the booth. Yeah, the trickle down for you, So 596 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: I apologize in advance. You know you're gonna have to 597 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: pack a lunch, maybe two lunches for this shift on Friday. 598 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: But it will be fun, There's no doubt. And I 599 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: tell you what, if you haven't listened to Drew Stanton, 600 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: he does an excellent job. We think we know football 601 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: and then you hear the mind of someone who played 602 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL. For what thirteen years, and how 603 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: quickly he can diagnose and discern what's going on, and 604 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: he does an excellent job of describing it to the audience. 605 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: I'll just tell you the times I've worked with Drew 606 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: in the booth, I've learned a lot. He is. He 607 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: is excellent, and you realize quarterbacks are watching a different 608 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: game than the rest of us. Again, watch on twelve News, 609 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: turn down the sound and turn up ninety eight seven FM, 610 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: Arizona Sports Station and the Arizona Cardinals Radio Network to 611 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: hear Paul Calvc Andrew Stanton. On Friday four thirty is 612 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: the kick Out twelfth. The pregame coverage begins preseason game 613 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: number one, and on that note, we will put a 614 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: lid on. This edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hunday, 615 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, has always special thanks 616 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: to our executive producer Joe Almandro for Paul CALVICI I'm 617 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: Craig Riel Loup. 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