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Speaker 1: Live from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. This is

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Brown's Daily, brought to you by Bally bed coming

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Speaker 1: soon to Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to Indianapolis here at the NFL Scouting Combrine

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Speaker 1: Bow and Z and Luminaries. That's right again, Coach Devanski

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Speaker 1: joining us, by the way, the first time it's been

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Speaker 1: what four years ago? Yeah, you walked up in this thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then a Monday they were on our studio in

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Speaker 1: our quarter zip and I saw I haven't worn it

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Speaker 1: since I saw na Nathan warred. Well, Marsh, that's fine,

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Speaker 1: I'll take it over. Don't make don't give when you

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Speaker 1: have a shot to take, you to take that shooter. Shoot?

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Speaker 1: Are you at all jealous? Z showed you the pictures

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Speaker 1: of our hoodies. Yeah, those are great, beautiful. Yeah, well done.

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Speaker 1: Brad Melon gets credit for those. That's right. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've I mean we were we were hot on the

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Speaker 1: trail as you know, for years, the years and years

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Speaker 1: and years and never came to fruition. And in fact,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of this or not,

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Speaker 1: but down in Atlanta this year, I was doing pregame

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Speaker 1: TV and outcomes Strutton I mean with a dip a

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Speaker 1: strut Brad melon in the white. Yeah, and then not

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Speaker 1: everybody can pull that off. He teased us with that

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Speaker 1: for a while, then nothing, and then finally we ended

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Speaker 1: up with the cream. He made it right. He made

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Speaker 1: it right. He did. He's a fine man. Yeah. Merch

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Speaker 1: makes the world go around, doesn't does? It brings so

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Speaker 1: much joy? It does? It brings a lot of joy,

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Speaker 1: a lot of joy. The quarterbacks make the world go

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Speaker 1: round as well. And we had our guy for six

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Speaker 1: this year. This year. Uh, as you look back, Kevin

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Speaker 1: on that time and just such a chaotic experience, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure all season long, I know you guys had a

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Speaker 1: plan for it and you executed that plan. And as

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Speaker 1: there anything that could have been done different? What did

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Speaker 1: you make of the six with Watson? Yeah? I mean

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Speaker 1: So certainly there's you know that's right down the middle.

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Speaker 1: You want to do better. So there's always things that

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Speaker 1: I feel like we could do better. There's things that

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Speaker 1: we can do better as a team, you know, O

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Speaker 1: DK there's definitely things I can do better, and of

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Speaker 1: course things that Deshaun can do better. And I've seen it.

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Speaker 1: I've seen him do it in practice. I've seen him

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Speaker 1: do it in games. He did things that that very

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Speaker 1: few people on this earth can do. So he's more

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Speaker 1: than capable. I'm excited for him. I'm excited about the

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Speaker 1: work he's about to put in to this thing. But

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Speaker 1: that's really where it comes back to with him. He's

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Speaker 1: a he's a Jim Rat. He wants to get better

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Speaker 1: and I have no doubt that he will so he

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Speaker 1: I talked with Chris Sims. We actually played the interview

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Speaker 1: prior to you coming on yesterday about something that Deshaun

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Speaker 1: said on that podcast with Quincy Avery, and it was

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Speaker 1: that he was used to in Houston calling out everything do,

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Speaker 1: being responsible for everything. He set the mic, he set protections,

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Speaker 1: he did it all. And there are two schools of thought, right,

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Speaker 1: that's Bill O'Brien Patriots, you do it all, and then

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Speaker 1: there are others which in ours, the offensive line actually

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Speaker 1: a guy like Bill Callahan, And Kristen said, you know,

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Speaker 1: when I was in Tampa, I did everything. Then I

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Speaker 1: went to Tennessee and they had muncheck and like, you

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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. How does that come

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Speaker 1: pros and cons for a quarterback in the two different styles? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Both in this case, in this scenario, both cases work.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just a matter of what you choose

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Speaker 1: point out the mic. You don't get it to marry

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Speaker 1: that's part of your process. So for Deshaun is trying

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Speaker 1: can imagine, the center come back comes out, he may

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Speaker 1: give the quarterback a ton of leeway. But you also

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Speaker 1: Jacoby was very good at taking the layups, and I

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Speaker 1: weren't layups given in the offense, but there were certainly

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Speaker 1: So where there are times that we could have taken that. Sure,

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Speaker 1: But AVP back in there. And we heard from Dashaun

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Speaker 1: he took a step back in some ways figuratively and

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Speaker 1: let Drew have that voice in the quarterback room. Now,

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Speaker 1: ultimately it was at the direction in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: to how they deploy different players. But coach Schwartz has

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Speaker 1: seen so much football. He's called a ton of football games.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm excited about, is just his ability,

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Speaker 1: his experience with our guys. He's great at coaching the coach.

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Speaker 1: He's developing young coaches, which I'm excited about. So he's

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Speaker 1: a he's a fun one to talk to. Again, he's

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Speaker 1: the office next door, so we can talk ball a lot.

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Speaker 1: And shoot, we've gone back. I put on tape from

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Speaker 1: So all those plays, all those games, they stay with you.

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Speaker 1: So we've had plenty of time to discuss those. Coach

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Speaker 1: Schwartz certainly has it. There's a charisma, bigness to his personality, certainly.

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Speaker 1: And then I don't know above the ventrom where we

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Speaker 1: talked to the half about it, Joe Thomas, and he said,

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Speaker 1: he goes whatever it is, he's got it. So were

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Speaker 1: their personality traits that you were looking for when you

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Speaker 1: looking for the best guys out there. I mean you're

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Speaker 1: looking for guys with track records. But speaking to Bubb

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Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, we played against each other in college.

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