1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: My name is Robert lamp and I am Christian Sager. 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: And in this episode we're discussing something that I really 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: was not familiar with until just the last month or two, 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: and that's birth calls. Yeah, and it's C A U 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: L is how it's phonetically spelled, but I believe it's 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: pronounced call like you know, you would make a phone call. Right. 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: We'll get into sort of the etymology of it later, 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, if you're unfamiliar with these, where we'll get 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: we'll give you a sort of primer on what a 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: birth call is. We'll talk about the etymology of them, 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: and we'll also get into the superstitions around them, which 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: are interesting for for thousands of years, humans have had 15 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: superstitions about what birth calls do in almost every culture. Yeah, 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: I mean you might on the surface of things mistaken 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: for like like a cape and cowl and think that 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: the child is born batman or something about it. Right. 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: In fact, I posted uh an image from a nine 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: article that we researched for this for this particular episode, 21 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: and I put it on our Facebook page. And it 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: basically looks like like their version of what a birth 23 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: call looks like. It is like a little kid going 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: out as a ghost for Halloween. Like they drew like 25 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: a baby with like it looks just like a sheet 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: over their head. Yeah, like if you made a ghost 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: cough tumb out of you know, embryonic membrane, that's what 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: there you go. So, so that was a little bit 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: of a peek ahead of what we're gonna get into. 30 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: So so you're you're probably listening and going, alright, guys, 31 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: what is it? Tell me what a birth call is 32 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: if you're unfamiliar with it. Basically, it is when a 33 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: baby is born and a piece of the amniotic sac 34 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: is still attached to the newborn's head or face when 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: it's born. Looks kind of like a filmy membrane. In 36 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: some cases, some people have described it as looking like 37 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: a glass helmet. Uh. And Um, Basically, what happens is, 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: either during just station or the birthing process, part of 39 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: the amniotics act that we're all born within breaks away 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: and is attached to your head. Uh. And so you're wondering, 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: why haven't I heard of these before? Well, that's probably 42 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: because one in every eighty thousand babies is born with 43 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: one and they're usually either because of c sections or 44 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: Another thing that I read that I wasn't able to 45 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: back up with any sources was that um mothers who 46 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: give birth in the water tend to have a birth 47 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: call babies or or babies that are born on call, 48 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: which we'll talk about in a little bit. Yeah, I was. 49 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: I was not familiar with this at all, just because 50 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: they don't. I don't think anyone in my immediate family 51 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 1: has dealt with this. Uh and any and I say, 52 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: dealt with it like it's for the most part, it's 53 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: not a serious issue. It's more of a curiosity of 54 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: all the things that can occur with a birth. The 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: birth call is is pretty mundane. Yeah, And in fact, 56 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: there you know, in a lot of cases people talk 57 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: about it as being a very wonderful thing, that it's 58 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: sort of awe inspiring for a baby like born with this. 59 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: When I first went into it, and that there are 60 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: a lot of superstitions, I thought, whether they're all going 61 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: to be weird and kind of dark. It's like most 62 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: of them are kind of beneficial or neither here nor there. Yeah, 63 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: it depends they're all interesting on the color of the 64 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: birth call, which we'll get to later. But uh yeah, 65 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: So just to clarify, you know, if you're thinking about 66 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: having kids, or or you're a pregnant woman right now 67 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: listening to the show, you may be worrying about birth 68 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: calls all of a sudden, don't. Uh. The only thing 69 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: that happens with them is that they can potentially interfere 70 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: with an infants respiration when you know, when it's firstborn, 71 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: just because you know, they've got this filmy membrane over 72 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: the face. It's like landing in a parachute, in a 73 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: parachute landing on top of you. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, 74 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: And so a doctor basically quickly removes this, and you 75 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: know you can keep it. Most modern patients, I don't 76 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: think do, but we'll talk about all the superstitions around 77 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: and keeping it and all the various things you could 78 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: do with it. Um. But yeah, they're they're totally natural, 79 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: but they're rare, these kinds of births. Before we get 80 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: into sort of the biology science behind, I do want 81 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: to add a disclaimer, which is that I am a 82 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: man and I have read about this stuff, but I 83 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: don't have any firsthand experience with it. I've never given 84 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: birth to a baby. My wife has never had a baby, 85 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: and I've never been in the delivery room when a 86 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: baby is born. So talking about amniotic sacks and all 87 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: the things that it does in the fluid within it. 88 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: You know this book learning right here people, Yeah, yeah, 89 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: that's same here. So and certainly, as always, we would 90 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: love to hear from anyone who has direct experience with this, uh, 91 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: with this topic. If you were born with an un call, 92 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: or if you know anybody who was, or if you 93 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: have a child that was born uh with a call 94 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: over them and then let us know about it. Yeah, definitely. 95 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: I think maybe it was earlier this year there was 96 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: a baby born in California I think that was born 97 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: on call and the photos of it went viral. I 98 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: mean they were all over Facebook and tutter within hours 99 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: of this baby being born. Uh So, Okay, what's an 100 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: amniotic sacksom if you're saying that's what I said, because 101 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: I was like, birth call, Okay, it's an amniotic schact. 102 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 1: And then I went, wait, I don't really know what 103 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: that is either. Although I spent you know, a good 104 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: part of the origin of my life and one. Uh. 105 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: It's an opaque bubble that covers all babies within a 106 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: womb after conception, and it fills up with a fluid 107 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 1: as the baby grows within. And this fluid is sort 108 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: of you know, it's amniotic fluid, which we've we've all 109 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: heard of before, but it also includes a little bit 110 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: of the baby's urine. Is what happens is the baby 111 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: sort of drinks in the amniotic fluid, uh and then 112 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: peas it back out into this bag. So it's a 113 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: p bag filled with amniotic fluid as well. It's it's 114 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: a mixture. It's not all p uh, and it's good 115 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: for us though. It has all kinds of benefits for 116 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: us while we're being born. And the first thing that 117 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: made me think of sci fi was, as as we 118 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: tend to do on this show was remember that movie 119 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: The Abyss, Yes, where they had where they had the breathable, 120 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: pink ambionic fluid us to be able to dive at 121 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: hyper exactly. Yeah. And I think there's some line in 122 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: the movie like, well, you breathe this way for the 123 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: first nine months of your life or whatever, so you're 124 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: you know, you're just swimming around in this bag of 125 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: liquid but you're able to breathe within it, and you 126 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: also have the umbilical cord as well. Um, but yeah, 127 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: it helps with all kinds of things. It helps develop 128 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: our digestion system, the actual act of drinking it and 129 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: passing it. Uh, there's some help with respiratory track secretions 130 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 1: that come out. Uh. There's also the idea that amniotic fluid. 131 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's not just like sitting there in 132 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: a bag. It's constantly produced and renewed. So the baby 133 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: swallows it, it passes it back out, and then it 134 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: also emits some of it through the umbilical cord as well. 135 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: So okay, from what I read, uh, there are two 136 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: sections of these amniotic sacks. One is called the fore waters, 137 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: and that's of course the part that's in front of 138 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: the baby's head, and the hind waters are the part 139 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: that's behind the baby's head. Uh. And you know, again 140 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: like there's a lot of benefits to these sacks. The 141 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: fluid helps the lungs to develop. It also provides lubrication. 142 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: So you know, um, whenever we hear the terminology, you know, 143 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: my water broke or breaking water or whatever, what's actually 144 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: breaking is the amniotic sack and the amniotic fluid rushing forth. 145 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: So it provides lubrication for the baby during pregnancy, which 146 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: kind of allows it to move around inside of this thing. 147 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: But it also provides lubrication to facilitate the birth. Okay, 148 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: so it's kind of like a slipping slide and that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 149 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't know why we haven't invented 150 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: like some kind of toy for children that you know, 151 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: brings us all back to that magical time when we're 152 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: inside our mother's sphere. You climb inside off you just 153 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: fill it with olive oil. I don't know, but uh um. 154 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a lot of biological reasons for the 155 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: amniotic sacs. So again I want to, you know, encourage 156 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: you all to or rather discourage you from thinking that 157 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: this is a bad thing if it comes out on 158 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: your baby when it's born. It's also a shock absorber. 159 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: So you remember that science project that you did in 160 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: high school. I did this at least, where like you're 161 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: giving an egg and you have to have to drop 162 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: it off the top of a building without it breaking. 163 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: I think that this is sort of nature's version of that, right, 164 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: So the amniotic sack absorbs the shock from just the 165 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 1: mother's daily movements, so that we're not you know, hurt 166 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: while we're while we're inside. Uh. And there's some talk 167 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: that it might protect against infection as well, though I 168 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: was reading some sources that said that that's not totally verified. Um, 169 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: I'd be curious if anybody else out there has information 170 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: about this, if if there's some hard sources that we 171 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: could look to about how the amniotic sack and amniotic 172 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: fluid may protect us from infection while we're while we're 173 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: still you know, within our mothers during pregnancy. But yeah, 174 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: but like you said that, the rupturing of this sack 175 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: is generally the that's the the start starter pistol for 176 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: the praction, Yeah, exactly. And and another so my understanding 177 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: as well is that if this hasn't happened for a 178 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: woman who is pregnant and is due, then sometimes doctors 179 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: will manually rupture the sack. They actually showed this little device, 180 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: this like prong kind of thing that they used to 181 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: do it, and the ideas that it's supposed to either 182 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: start or speed up labor, you know, begetting the whole 183 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: process going. There's it's referred to as artificial rupture of 184 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: membranes or a r M for short. Arm uh. Some 185 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: of the stuff that we read about for this episode 186 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: about birth calls came from a really interesting site by 187 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: a midwife whose name is Rachel Reid, and she does 188 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: a very thorough examination of birth calls, how they work, 189 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: and sort of the history behind them. She's had experience 190 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: with them. In fact, there's a there's a photo on 191 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: this blog post of her friend, I think her name 192 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: was Holly maybe giving birth to a child in a 193 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: birth call. Okay, and we'll be fue to link to 194 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: that on the landing page for this episode is stuff 195 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: to Blow your Mind dot com. Yeah, And the reason 196 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: why I mentioned it is that Rachel Reid recommends that 197 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: women who are pregnant and think that they might want 198 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: an artificial rupture of membranes, that they should be fully 199 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: informed of the risks of this beforehand. And so we're 200 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: talking about birth calls today, we're not talking about artificial 201 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: rupture of membranes, but you know, that's something you might 202 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 1: want to look into if if it's a concern of yours. So, okay, 203 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 1: now we know what an amniotic sac is, we know 204 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: what this film is. That's on top of the baby's 205 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: head when they have a birth call and they're born. 206 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: But where these where to name like birth call come from. Yeah, 207 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: when we get into the etymology of it um, we 208 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: see various terms for it um. Some cups called being 209 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: born with a veil, land scanned water cap, lucky cat, 210 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: silly hood, that's my favorite one. Oh wait, no, the 211 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: next one is my favorite one, silly how or lucky cape, 212 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: child's little net virgins shift. And then there's little shirt. 213 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: It's just a little shirt. You're just born with this 214 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 1: little amniotic shirt. And I think these names tend to 215 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: underlie the you know, the the the the harmless nature 216 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: of the birth call. You would not be calling it 217 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: the silly the silly hood if there was any real 218 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: danger to it um. Apparently on the the the British 219 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: TV show called The Midwife, which takes place in the 220 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, apparently they referred to them as mermaid babies 221 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: on there, and apparently is a name that was thrown 222 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: around back in the day as well, which ties into 223 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: some of the nautical superstitions that will discuss. Yeah, and 224 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: and one of my favorite expressions, which you could only 225 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: get from Scotland is Uh, a baby with a birth 226 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: call was road in his mother's sark tail. Oh wow, 227 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: I can't even I don't even understand that. Nope, but 228 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: it sounds filthy. I'll take it. Uh. The actual etymology 229 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: is that it comes from the Latin word put jalitium. 230 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm not a Latin scholar, but that's how it looks 231 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: to me, which means head helmet. So again, I'm getting 232 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: back to this idea that it looks kind of like 233 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: a glass helmet, like a little a little motorcycle helmet. 234 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: That's maybe that's what they should call it now, it's 235 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: a lucky lucky motorcycle helmet. There's another idea out there 236 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 1: that the word itself um is something of a synonym 237 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: for amnion. Okay, so call, in addition, could mean a net, 238 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: the web of a spider, the base of a wig, 239 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: a woman's cap um, in any of several anatomical investing layers. 240 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: So while it's rare, obviously, they've been happening for long 241 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: enough and often enough that we've been able to come 242 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: up with dozens of nicknames for them. This is not 243 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: like an abnormality that you know, is just unheard of. 244 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: And then there's an even more rare and sense of 245 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: this where you know, a birth call is when you're 246 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: born with the with the the part of the sack 247 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: on your head, but you can actually be born what's 248 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: called an uncalled birth, which sounds like I'm saying on 249 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: call as if like you know, you're you're being called 250 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: into the off from the hospital. It's E N C 251 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: A U L birth. Uh. And these are again even 252 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: more rare, but it's when you when a baby emerges 253 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: fully inside of the amnio, comes out once or at 254 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: least it might be piers but it's still more or 255 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: less intact around exactly. Yeah. And the idea here is 256 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: I believe that this happens in premature births a lot 257 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: because again, like because the water itself hasn't broken, the 258 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: baby is born a little early. And uh, there's like 259 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, there's c sections and and babies that 260 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: are born in the water too, so so the actual 261 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, process of birth thing doesn't have the opportunity 262 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: to rupture that sack. And again, like the birth call, 263 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: it's not dangerous to be born this way. In fact, 264 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: here's a little here's a little fun note for you. Uh, 265 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: celebrity Jessica Alba, her second child was born on call. 266 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: Uh and uh apparently this was something that was talked 267 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: about in celebrity magazines at the time. Uh. She and 268 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: her husband named their daughter Haven because they said she 269 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: was born in her little safe haven. That's I suppose 270 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: it's better than calling her a little shirt. I'm surprised 271 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: we haven't seen any and maybe we have, and people 272 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: can tell us about them. Any fictional characters, fantastic characters 273 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: who are born in on call and remain on call, 274 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: like like impossibly, the call grows with them and they 275 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: remains like a boy in a bubble kind of thing. Yeah, 276 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: like a cross between boy and a bubble and a 277 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: guild navigator, you know. Yeah, yeah, Well, I'm also I 278 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: thought you were going to go in a different different 279 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: direction with it is that, you know, it seems to be, 280 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: as we're about to get into with the superstitions, it 281 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: seems to be this sort of common trope of the 282 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: chosen One. It seems like would be the perfect thing 283 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: to add to it, right, Like Harry Potter was born 284 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: with a birth call and it was shaped like lightning. 285 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean there are in some accounts some 286 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: accounts say that Julius Caesar was born, you know, in 287 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: addition to of course being born by sincerean section. Charles 288 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: Dickens I was supposedly born little birth call or I 289 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: can't recall it. I can't recall if he was born 290 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: on call or nearly with a birth call. But well, 291 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: the one this is where I first heard about this 292 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: is Alan Moore, who many of you know as a 293 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: famous comic book writer. He's known for writing Watchman, Swamp Thing, 294 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: be for Vendetta, Leave of Extraordinary Gentleman. There's hundreds of 295 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: things that he's written. He's also a novelist. Uh. He 296 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: did a performance art piece I believe it was in 297 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: like the late nineties about birth. It was a piece 298 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: called the Birth Call, and it was about a lot 299 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: of things. But it starts off with his mother dying 300 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: and he finds that she's kept her birth call her 301 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: whole life. Uh. And that's where I first heard about it. 302 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: I had never, you know, known that this was even 303 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: a thing until I heard this Alan Moore piece before. 304 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: And I'll try to provide, Like I believe that they 305 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: recorded it as a c D and it used to 306 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: be available, but I don't think you can buy it anymore, 307 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: but there might be a link out there somewhere. I'll 308 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: try to try to link to so people can hear 309 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: this piece. Uh. And and it was actually adapted into 310 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: a comic book later on as well, which I brought 311 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: in and we can take a look at. But for 312 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: the most part, it doesn't really show birth calls in 313 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: any kind of way. It's just Alan Moore's poetic interpretation 314 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: of the superstitions that we're about to go on. Okay, well, 315 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: hopefully we can we can find something about that and 316 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: link to it on the landing, that would be excellent. 317 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: Uh So, before we get Toto the superstitions, I just 318 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: want to cite this one particular source that was great 319 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: for this, and it's it's old. Uh. It's by this 320 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: guy named T. R. Forbes, and he wrote it in 321 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three in the Yale Journal of Biology and Medicine. 322 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: But me and is it a thorough examination of all 323 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: of the superstitions. This is like pages of just every 324 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: possible superstition about birth calls that he was able to find, 325 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: very well backed up. The article is called the Social 326 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: History of the Call c A U L And Uh 327 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: it's pretty readily available online. I found it, uh I 328 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: believe it was in like a medical database, and I 329 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: downloaded a PDF of it right away, so I think 330 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: anybody can access it. Yeah, and I also found some 331 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: interesting ones in the Encyclopedia of Superstitions, Folklore and the 332 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: Occult Sciences of the World by Coral Land Daniels and 333 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: Sam stevens Now. In both of these, I do have 334 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: to admit that we did not find as many Asian 335 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: and African cultural examples as we would applied. So that's 336 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: another call out to listeners. It's like, if you if 337 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: you know some good takes on the birth call in 338 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: uh in an Asian or African culture or any or 339 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: any culture that we don't cover here, we would love 340 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: to hear about it. Yeah. I have to admit like 341 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: that these sources were fairly eurocentric. I think there's a 342 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: couple that are in South America maybe, but for the 343 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: most part, it's, you know, as would be expected from 344 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: an academic in the nineteen fifties, it's fairly eurocenter. Alright, 345 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, 346 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 1: we will dive into some of these superstitions and if 347 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: we have time, we'll do a little listener mail. All right, 348 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: we're back, So let's dive into these superstitions. Okay, Like 349 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: I said, they're often believed to be something special. There's 350 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: a general understanding of it being considered to be something 351 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: that represents good luck when you're born with a call. 352 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: The first you know quote we'll work with here is 353 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: that the beneficent effect of the call was sometimes regarded 354 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: as extending to the offspring of the original owner. But 355 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: according to the superstition of the Middle Ages and later, 356 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: this effect would be lost if the call were in 357 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: a way or sold outside of the family. So in 358 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: this instance, this is sort of along the lines of 359 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: I think what Alan Moore was probably referencing in his 360 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: piece was that people would keep one of these and 361 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: then they would pass it down from generation to generation. 362 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: So like if your grandmother had been born with a call, 363 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: you would at some point inherit the call and subsequently 364 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: inherit the good luck of it. Okay uh. There was 365 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: an idea that Roman midwives used to steal these from 366 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: babies that were born and sell them to lawyers because 367 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: lawyers believed that they had one of these, it would 368 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: help them win a case and generally these who are 369 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, they're not wearing them on their heads, so 370 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: I don't want to know. But there are some I 371 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: don't know, not in that particular example, but there's some 372 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: weird stuff people did with these. So for instance, like, uh, 373 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: some cultures would take them and grind them down in 374 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: a powder that you would consume, and they thought that 375 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: I would cure malaria. Okay, well that's that's believable. You 376 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: do see in in various cultures degrees of cannibalism, cannibalistic 377 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: medicine and yeah, uh, in Croatia, in one region of Croatia, Uh, 378 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: there was a historical superstition of placing a call under 379 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: a dying person's bed because the idea was that it 380 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: would help make their passing go either. Again, it's it's 381 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: a protective element, and it worked for the newborn baby, 382 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: then perhaps it will help the dying individual as well. 383 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: And some people I believe that More talks about this 384 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: in his in his piece. But uh, some people would 385 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: go and bury them in field sort of outside of 386 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: where the baby was born. And the idea was that 387 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: if it was buried in the field that you could 388 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, it would give luck to this person's life 389 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: as they grew up within that area, you know, they're 390 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: it's always close by. There's one note that said that 391 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: coal miners carried them off to carried them with them 392 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: to ward off fires. So there's an interesting thing here, 393 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: the idea that birth calls are sort of elemental in 394 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: their nature, and there's a sort of water or affect 395 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: to them, right, they ward off fires. And as we'll 396 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: we'll get into as well. They they they were also 397 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: believed to make their bearers immune to drowning for the 398 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: rest of their lives. And thus the mermaids hood example, Yeah, exactly, 399 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: and and in fact midwives, you know, when they weren't 400 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: stealing them and selling to the lawyers, other midwives would 401 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: drive them out and sell them to sailors. And the 402 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: idea was that this was a talisman that a sailor 403 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 1: would keep with them that would, you know, prevent them 404 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: from drowning if they fell off the ship. There's another history, 405 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: at least within Forbes study, that there are many instances 406 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: in many different cultures of birth calls being used in 407 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: so called love potions. Um. In fact, there there's a 408 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: sort of you know, if you've listened to our episode 409 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: on grimoire. There's a historical text called Burton's Anatomy of 410 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: Melancholy That sounds like a great album. Uh, but the 411 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: idea was that, uh, the whole approachan formula was the 412 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: dust of a dove's heart. That's a new one. I've 413 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: never seen that one. It seems like it would be 414 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: difficult to get, but I don't know. Maybe there's a 415 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: particular way to catching doves I'm unfamiliar with. You would 416 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: also need to get the rope from with which a 417 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: man was hanged. Nice use of crossroads death. You can 418 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: see that employed the tongue of a viper. And then 419 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: this is how they referred to a birth call the 420 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: cloak with which infants are wrapped when they are born. 421 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: So I mean, if it's common enough that you know, 422 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: in this medieval grimoire on potion making, it would be 423 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: referenced as such, you know, one and eighty thousand, Maybe 424 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: isn't as small rare of an occasion as well, and 425 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: it's standing out in people's memory and becoming a part 426 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: of the folklore, so it resonates. Then there's one more 427 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: here that I thought was particularly interesting, and I'm just 428 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: going to read a direct quote from Forbes on this 429 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: one to to give you the maximum effect. In Denmark, 430 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: it was thought that if a woman crept under a 431 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: full call stretched on sticks, she would have a painless labor, 432 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: but as a penalty, her sons would become werewolves and 433 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: her daughters would become nighthags. So that's a that's an 434 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: interesting mix of mythology and superstition there um. So yeah, 435 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: I think that might come up later as well. But 436 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: there's also seems to be like a just an ongoing 437 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: thing about horse birth calls, uh, and like the various 438 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: effects that they have and things that they can be 439 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: used for. Yeah, I do want to point out in 440 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: culinary circles you'll sometimes see call, particularly like pork call used, 441 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: but it's not actual birth call. It's actually part of 442 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: like an intestinal lining or something. Ok Uh. Here's there 443 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: a few others that I ran across. In El Salvador, 444 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: a child born with a call will be the victim 445 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: of restless spirits until the nurse boils the call on 446 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: the ninth day and the child drinks the broth. So 447 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: this is the consumption aspect. Yeah, and also one of 448 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: the rare kind of negative call uh myths. Out there. 449 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: In Guiana, a child's call can be stored away in 450 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: a pantry or closet to bring good luck to the house, 451 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: and then another one from Ghana to up to prevent 452 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: a baby seeing ghosts, tie a red string around its 453 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: neck and hang it to a bag containing the call 454 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: of another baby of the opposite sex. That's great, Uh. 455 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: I like the idea that that that you know, a 456 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: baby seeing goes just so often, and you know that's 457 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: that's what's wrong with the baby. That you've got to 458 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: go fish out one of these bird calls and use 459 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: it tied around its neck. Here a couple of them. Scotland. Uh. 460 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: In Scotland, the call was called the virgin's vest or 461 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: the fortunate hood, and was the object of veneration. If 462 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: you threw it away, sickness or death would come for 463 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: the child and the young mother would be taken away 464 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: by the fairy folk. And the only way to recover 465 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: it is the husband would have to watch the years 466 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: yearly writing uh and if I am, if I'm understanding 467 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: is correctly. This is a Scottish tradition in border towns 468 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: involves running around on horses and throw the wedding gown 469 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: after the woman as her is her wraith rides past. Now, 470 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: well that's what happens when your roade in your mother's 471 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: stark tail. Yes, uh, and I would I would love 472 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: to hear from some Scotts on mult with the folklore. 473 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: Maybe they can clarify some of this. It definitely seemed 474 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: to me and maybe this is why we found the 475 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: research to be so eurocentric that Great Britain in general 476 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: seemed to be where the wealth of superstition and mythology 477 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: surrounding birth calls came from. Yeah, but but again it 478 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: does make me wonder, like how you know, I think 479 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: I probably I'm imagining a lot of the stuff elsewhere 480 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: in the world is gonna be very similar. Probably, but 481 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: there there's there's probably some some wild stuff out there too. 482 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: The Scots also believed that a crisp call meant meant 483 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: good health. But if you were born with a moist, 484 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: flabby one more than that could that could be bad. 485 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 1: That seems very odd to me because wouldn't use again, 486 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: not a woman I've never given birth, but I would 487 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: assume that they're all moist and then what they do, 488 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: and you know they're filled with fluid. I I would 489 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: think it would be the opposite if you've had a 490 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: crisp call when you're born. So I'm not sure about 491 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: that one. That one sounds a little a little suspect. Well, 492 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: it's interesting, you know, like you said, there aren't a 493 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 1: whole lot of examples of bad calls or bad luck 494 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: surrounding them, other than you know, like some some of 495 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: the things like if you throw it away or you know, 496 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: you do something wrong with this good luck charm. But 497 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: there there was a a book from fifteen fifty nine 498 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: that was called Day Miraculous Nature a So I'm assuming 499 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: that's The Miracles of Nature, uh, that basically had a 500 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: whole section about different colors of calls and the effects 501 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: that they would have. One passage from this book said 502 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,239 Speaker 1: of the helmets of children newly born, or of the 503 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: thin and soft call, where with the faces covered as 504 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: with a wizard, or covering when they come first into 505 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: the world. So the idea here was that you know 506 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: that they're again talking about the glass helmet, the helmet 507 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: of children kind of thing. But if this helmet was black, uh, 508 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: then it was basically predicting that they would have this 509 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: child would have accidents or misfortune throughout their life they 510 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 1: might be haunted by evil spirits. And the only way 511 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: that they could get rid of this is again coming 512 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 1: back to the consumption thing, they had to break the 513 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: call up, put it into a drink, and uh, you know, 514 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: essentially then only then that the call would no longer 515 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: be able to hurt the child. Well, I could see 516 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: where if you were born with a dark call, you 517 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: would kind of look like, um, like a baby cobra commander. 518 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it looked I saw some pictures and 519 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: and it did look a little uh um, like something 520 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: out of a science fiction movie, not something that would 521 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: happen in nature. Uh. There this I did not see 522 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: pictures of, although you know, given the circumstances, I wouldn't 523 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 1: be surprised if it appeared such. But there was an 524 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 1: idea that if the call was read, or if in 525 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: particular it clings to the crown of the head, so 526 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: it's specifically on the crown, the child would be expected 527 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: to eventually achieve great success. So I'm not sure where 528 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: that comes from, but maybe the the idea is that 529 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: it's like a little baby crown or something. Uh. And 530 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: then there is there was actually a whole kind of 531 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: I guess occult mythology surrounding the practice of foretelling the 532 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: future by looking at a baby's call inspecting it. And 533 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm going to pronounce this right, 534 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: but I believe it's iineomancy something like that. So one 535 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: of your your less understood manage. Yeah, this is like 536 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: an elective at Hogwarts ieomancy, like you don't have to 537 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: take it to graduate. Uh. And then if it was white, 538 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: which again I'm not quite sure how that would happen, 539 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: that would bring good fortune. Um, but if you are 540 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: born with just like a pure white call, that seems 541 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: suspect as well. All right, so they have at birth calls. 542 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: You know, we're doing pretty uh pretty well on time. 543 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: Right now, let's call the robot over here and do 544 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: a little listener mail. Carney. A lot of people were 545 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: confused last time when we when we let them know 546 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,239 Speaker 1: that that Arnie had become Carney. Yeah, it's I mean, 547 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: it was confusing for Carney. It was confusing for it 548 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: was confusing for me. But you know, it's a new age. Hey. 549 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: We received us some some cool feedback from a number 550 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: of you about our episode on Old Buckminster Fuller, including uh, 551 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: listener Hugh wrote in on Facebook and has sent us 552 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: sent us some photographs that he actually took of Buckminster 553 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: in real life. Those are pretty cool. We also heard 554 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: from listener Beverly. Beverly rode in and said, I just 555 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: finished listening to the Bucky Fuller episode. When he said 556 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: that his lectures were ten hours long, I could believe it. 557 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: He was the speaker at my high school graduation in 558 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one. I can't tell you what he talked about, 559 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: but I can Yeah, my Anian speakers in my graduations 560 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: have been the It's true that it's not really a 561 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,479 Speaker 1: al Gore was a speaker at my undergraduate graduation, and 562 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: that was right when he was running for president. I 563 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: don't remember a thing about it. It's not a time 564 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: when most of us have have patients for oldman talking 565 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: at us. But she continues, says, I can't tell you 566 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: what he talked about, but I can't tell you that 567 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: it was hot, and he talked on and on to 568 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: the point that people in the audience walked out until 569 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: he was done. I don't believe he had any impact 570 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: on the length of his speech. Yeah, that sounds about 571 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: right for him. We also heard from uh Tatiana, Tadiana 572 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: wrote in and said, northern California is lousy with geodesic domes. 573 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: I once had the experience of house sitting for a 574 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: friend who lived in one. After that, I went to 575 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: live in a very well built wooden yurt with walls 576 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: that slanted outward. I noticed the difference in the way 577 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: the two spaces affected me. Both were small structures. The 578 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: dome curved in around me and felt claustrophobic, while the yurt, 579 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: with its outslanting walls and cone shaped stealing, felt like 580 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: the perfect shape for a human habitation. Huh, birth call 581 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,959 Speaker 1: birth call is ark a texture there you synchronicity too, 582 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: widest at arm level, and completely comfortable in that subtle 583 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: sense in which structures affect our psychology. Both types of 584 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: structures impose insurmountable challenges. Where a generic furniture is concerned, 585 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: the only solution is to build custom couverard sinks, bed frames, 586 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: and storage. I build a lemon shaped bed platform into 587 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: the curving parameter of my yurt, and the various angles 588 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: for sitting helped bring versatility to the tiny space. I 589 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: lived there alone for free, and those were some of 590 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: my most creative days, I drew, played sacks and wrote songs. 591 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: I believe that housing is a human right in our 592 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: society needs to embrace innovation and housing solutions. While Bucky 593 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: championed the promise of technological advances, modern pioneers are building beautiful, durable, efficient, 594 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: and low cost structures out of all natural materials, using 595 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: various combinations of clay, dug straight out of the ground, straw, gravel, 596 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: and some would that can usually be locally sourced. Well, 597 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: given what we read about Bucky, I wouldn't be surprised 598 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: if he would agree with you as housing being a 599 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: human right. I mean, I don't think he outright said that, 600 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: but that seemed to be you know, remember, he had 601 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: this goal of changing humanity for the better, and he 602 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: saw it as his purpose to do so by affecting 603 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: basically how we live, like the structures within which we live. 604 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: So it would make sense to me that he would 605 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: sort of lean towards that philosophy as well, especially since 606 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: we found out that so many of those domes were 607 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: theorized to be used for you know, shelters for during 608 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: wartime or natural disasters. Yeah, am I remembering this correctly? 609 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: Or in Napoleon Dynamite the film does uh does a 610 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: Dynamite live in a Judesic Dome? I don't think so. 611 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: It's been a long time since I've seen that. I 612 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: thought he lived in like maybe I'm remembering it wrong, 613 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: but now I'm thinking he lived in like a collection 614 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: of trailers connected together. I don't know, but it definitely 615 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: wasn't like a traditional style home. I might have a 616 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: confused with another another film. All right, well, here's one more. 617 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: This is from listener Andrew. I'm not gonna read the 618 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: whole thing, but basically, we u we were We're curious 619 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: if Dimaxion was copyrighted, and so Andrew looked into it 620 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: and he said during the episode, you wondered whether the 621 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: name Taxon was copyrighted, and also spoke about copyright and 622 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: patents regarding the Judesic Dome and that the first people 623 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: to get the copyright office gets rights. Um. I hate 624 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: to gnetpick, but as someone who teaches intellectual property law, 625 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: I think it's important to use these terms correctly because 626 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: misuse just perpetrates the fairly widespread confusion and misunderstanding about 627 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: the purposes of various forms of intellectual property and how 628 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: they work. First, if there is any exclusive lot right 629 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: to the use of the word dymaxion, it would be 630 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: found under trademark law. Single words and short phrases are 631 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: not protected by copyright or patent law. Additionally, at least 632 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: in the U S, a trademark must be continually in 633 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: continuous use in association with the sale of goods or 634 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: services to maintain trademark rights. If a trademark owner ceases 635 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: to use a trade mark in commerce, he will quickly 636 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: lose any rights to keep others from amusing the mark. 637 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: The Trademark Office at the United States Patent and Trademark 638 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: Office issues trademark registrations. Although registration is not necessarily for protection, 639 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: the first person to use a trademark in association with 640 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: particular goods or services claims the exclusive right to use 641 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: that trademark. Copyright protects creative expressive works, but does not 642 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: protect the ideas contained within those works. Things like books, drawings, photographs, audio, 643 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: and or visual works are protected by copyright in most countries, 644 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,400 Speaker 1: including the US. One receives copyright protection once a work 645 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: is fixed in a tangible medium of expression. Registration is optional, 646 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: but useful for enforcing one's copyright copyright rights. Back when 647 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: Bucky was doing his thing, registration was generally required for protection, 648 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: but copyright has never protected ideas or inventions, whether registered 649 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: or not. All of Bucky's books are still protected by copyright, 650 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,439 Speaker 1: which lasts for as long as the author's life plus 651 00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: seventy five years. And of course I believe that in 652 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: this an area where you continue to see varying able 653 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: will push back from major copyright holders. Well, this definitely 654 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: seems like an instance where this is his bread and butter, 655 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: and he's certainly knows it better than we do. I 656 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: would just add, from my experience in the past with 657 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: dealing with issues surrounding copyright and fair use and things 658 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: like that, that I would just say I'm not a lawyer, 659 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: and that that's what I was always taught. I'm not 660 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,919 Speaker 1: a lawyer, So you should consult one if you really 661 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: want to know the answer to these things. It sounds 662 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,880 Speaker 1: like he might be a lawyer. He said he works 663 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: with U copyright and fair use. Well, he he teaches 664 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: intellectual property law. Okay, even better, yeah, yeah, he continues. 665 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: He says, as you noted, Bucky had a number of patents. 666 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: Patents are very different from trademarks and copyrights in a 667 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: number of respects. Patents protect human made inventions, including things 668 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: like machines, compositions of matter, or processes. Whereas trademarks and 669 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 1: copyrights do not depend on registration status, patent rights are 670 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 1: completely dependent on registration. One has no patent rights unless 671 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,880 Speaker 1: until one successfully registers one invention with the Patent Office. 672 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: While filing and receiving a patent, registration is necessary for 673 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: patent protection. An invention must be new for it to 674 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: be granted patent protection. In other words, if someone invents 675 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: and sells their invention but doesn't seek a patent for it, 676 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: then another person cannot take that invention and patentent. No 677 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: patent would be granted because it is not new. I 678 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: don't know the details of Buckey's doodesic dome patent or 679 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: what similar technology existed at the time, but it is 680 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: likely that Bucky's invention was different enough from any existing 681 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: technology to warrant a patent. If the guidesic dome is 682 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: described in the patent was not new, then Bucky would 683 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: not have been allowed to get a patent for it 684 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: under the rules at the time. When Bucky filed the patent, 685 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: it would not have mattered if Bucky filed before another inventor. 686 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: If the other inventor invented the guidesic dome as described 687 00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: in the patent before Bucky did, then Bucky would have 688 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,360 Speaker 1: been barred from receiving a patent on it, no matter 689 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 1: when he filed his application. The US now has a 690 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 1: first file system, but it is still true that an 691 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: invention must be new or novel for the inventor to 692 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: get a patent, with some very limited grace period situations. Yeah, 693 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 1: and if I remember correctly, I believe the person who 694 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: was claiming that they had invented it before him was German. 695 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: Maybe definitely, I think. Finally, Andy adds on another Bucky 696 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: related note. Back in the eighties, I knew someone who 697 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: lived in a geodesic dome. He lived alone, and I 698 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: don't think he had the privacy noise issues that you 699 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: talked about. I also don't remember him complaining about it 700 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: being leaky. Maybe the construction design and or materials had 701 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: improved over the years. I love your podcast, Keep up 702 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: the great work. Yeah, that's certainly possible as well. The 703 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: notes during that episode that we were reading from about 704 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: the leakage within the geodesic dome were from around the 705 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 1: time when Bucky himself was building them, So I suppose 706 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: it's possible that there's some more modern ones out there 707 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: that are using different textiles or something make them less leaky. Yeah, yeah, 708 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: I know. Certainly. If anyone else out there has has 709 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: experience with the gudesic domes and life with in a 710 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,040 Speaker 1: judifent dome, we would love to hear from you. And 711 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: thanks for our listeners who wrote in with those varying 712 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: details about domes and Bucky and patents. Yeah. So, if 713 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: you have information about that, or you have some stuff 714 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: for us about birth calls, maybe a superstition from your family, 715 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: or maybe a story about your family member or yourself 716 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 1: being born with one or born being born in the 717 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: amniotics at itself, let us know about it. 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