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Speaker 1: Welcome to Inside the Draft, a weekly preview of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming NFL Draft with insiders from around the country. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back again to Inside the Draft here on the Colts

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Speaker 1: Audio Network. I'm Matt Taylor, joined by Casey Valley in studio,

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Speaker 1: coming to you from the Indiana Union Construction Industry Radio Studio.

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Speaker 1: This is our weekly look at the NFL Draft, coming

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Speaker 1: to you a little bit earlier in the week than

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Speaker 1: we normally do. That's because we are busy loaded up

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Speaker 1: this week. On the podcast channel. Tuesday, we'll have the

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Speaker 1: Official Colts Podcast, talking Draft as usual, and then a

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Speaker 1: special edition of Inside Football with Rick Venturi. Will get

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Speaker 1: Rick's take on the upcoming draft and what he thinks

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Speaker 1: the Colts should be up to at the fourth overall

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Speaker 1: pick that's coming up later this week. That's going to

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Speaker 1: come out on Thursday, and then we'll have more conversations

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Speaker 1: with Colts players this week. They're back in the building

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Speaker 1: for week number two of the offseason workout program, but

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Speaker 1: joining us today to talk about the NFL Draft. Our

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Speaker 1: good friend Ian Cummings from Pro Football Network. Ian, good

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Speaker 1: to have you back on man. How you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Doing good? Doing good? It's an exciting one. I remember

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Speaker 2: talking last cycle. You know, every cycle brings unique, you know, differences, right,

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Speaker 2: But I think this class especially, there's a lot to

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Speaker 2: talk about, and especially with the Colts right at fourth overall,

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Speaker 2: Hugh began to be that's the headliner. But I also think,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the later rounds too, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of depth that positions of need and I think that'll

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Speaker 2: present some exciting opportunities too. So a lot to talk about,

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Speaker 2: a lot of grounds to cover, and yeah, hey, that's

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Speaker 2: what we signed up for this time of year, so

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Speaker 2: it's a great time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go. Let's get right into it. Looking at

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Speaker 1: your stuff, your latest mock draft, you've got Anthony Richardson

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Speaker 1: going number one overall to the Carolina Panthers. Not Bryce Young,

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Speaker 1: not c J. Stroud, You've got Anthony Richardson Numero uno.

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Speaker 1: How did you land on that decision and what makes

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Speaker 1: you confident that he is worthy of that designation?

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you, man, I might as well just put

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Speaker 2: you know, names in a hat, But it really is

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Speaker 2: that close between the top few guys. To me, I

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Speaker 2: think you can make viable arguments for all of them.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for Anthony Richardson, you know, and I mentioned

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Speaker 2: it in the mock, but you know, the moral of

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Speaker 2: the story with him is, you know, if you have

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Speaker 2: the necessary infrastructure to get him to his ceiling, then

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Speaker 2: that's an investment you make. Because his ceiling, you know,

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Speaker 2: is the highest QB class. It's the highest from the

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Speaker 2: past five QB classes. He is a you know, phenomenal athlete.

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Speaker 2: The four to four speed is six four two forty

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Speaker 2: whether we're willing to make that investment. So I think

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Speaker 2: the Panthers, in particular, the reason that I figured they

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Speaker 2: were worthy of making that pick is that they have

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Speaker 2: that bridge QB with Andy Dalton. Frank Reich is a

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Speaker 2: think the supporting cast is there to help bring up

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Speaker 2: it could just as easily be Bryce Young because if

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Speaker 2: And that's why every mock draft I do, I try

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Speaker 2: Richardson's upside was what kind of gave in the edge

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Speaker 1: And is Richardson ready to go right now? I mean,

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Speaker 3: Now, with the quarterback, it's always about fit. That's the

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Speaker 3: the Panthers, Texans, Raiders, and the Colts. Which of those

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Speaker 2: Yeah, fit is a big thing, and not just fit,

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Speaker 2: It's just naturally going to come. But we've seen time

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Speaker 2: I think the Panthers are in a great spot. You know,

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Speaker 3: One of the things that's kind of took the NFL

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think we could see that for sure.

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Speaker 2: But going later in the drafts, you know, taking a

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Speaker 2: You know, I look, I look guys like Clayton Tones

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Speaker 3: Now, the quarterback best friend is his weapons. And in

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Speaker 3: this year's draft, the wide receiver group is down from

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually interesting. It's something I haven't thought about.

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Speaker 2: You know, and again too, we don't know how this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think, you know, kind of tying

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Speaker 2: Well we need his weapons, right, So maybe they look

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Speaker 2: we just need a weapon. Let's see who's top on

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Speaker 2: our board, whether it's tight end to wide receiver, and take.

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Speaker 1: Him in he and weird exercise final a couple of

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Speaker 1: things with you. Let's just say, for argument's sake, here, Ian,

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Speaker 1: I give you a dollar. I give you one dollar,

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Speaker 1: and you have to put that dollar on any of

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Speaker 1: You have to place one dollar on the guy that

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Speaker 1: you think is most likely to have a Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame career of these four guys, and you said it's close,

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Speaker 1: But which guy would you put a dollar on to

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Speaker 1: land in Canton one day? Eventually?

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Speaker 2: That is tough, man, That is really tough because you

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Speaker 2: need to with that exercise.

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Speaker 1: You need to how about that for pressure by the way, right,

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Speaker 1: I know, right, Yeah, that's why I only gave you

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Speaker 1: a buck.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I appreciate. I don't want to put

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Speaker 2: too many tis. Yeah, it's tough because it's kind of

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Speaker 2: like the NFL draft, right, you know, like you need

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Speaker 2: to be risk averse, but you also need to swim

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Speaker 2: for the senses of the class. Where you know, I

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Speaker 2: could if you ask me if Bryce Young or CJ.

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Speaker 2: Strow be a pro bowler, right, like, hey, I'm you know,

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Speaker 2: I'd be relatively confident, right if they land them in

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Speaker 2: the right situation, Yeah, that could be a pro bowler.

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Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame is different. I mean that's that

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Speaker 2: you know you've seen with Patrick Mahomes, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: he's well on his way there. This is a guy

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Speaker 2: who has transcendent tools as a passer. I mean the

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Speaker 2: arm elasticity, the vision, right, the creative ability right, the

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Speaker 2: arm strength, you know, these these are things that he

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Speaker 2: has that no one else does. And so with a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, you know, you got to look who

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Speaker 2: has something that no one else does?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: So I think ultimately it's tough, right, But if I

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Speaker 2: had to pick a guy to really be a Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer shooting for the stars, you know, if I

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Speaker 2: had to put a dollar on it, and thank god

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Speaker 2: it's the dollar, I wouldn't want to bet anymore. But

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Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson, to me, would be the guy that I

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Speaker 2: would bet on, because again, when you're looking for a

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer, who's the guy that has transcendent tools

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Speaker 2: and importantly is coming into an era of NFL football

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Speaker 2: that I think is more attuned to his skill set.

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Speaker 2: It's more open to molding a passer like him and

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Speaker 2: building around him.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: You know, ten to fifteen years ago, you might have

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Speaker 2: been hurt hearing like time and time again, I'll move

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Speaker 2: him the tight end, right, But now you know, the versatility,

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Speaker 2: the dynamic creation ability that Richardson provides is being more

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Speaker 2: and more valued. So I could easily see, you know,

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Speaker 2: a scenario where you know, if anyone is going to

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Speaker 2: reach that level, right, like Fidius job in Brezion. They

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Speaker 2: could be pro bowlers, they could be all pros. But

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Speaker 2: if I'm betting on a Hall of Famer, I'm betting

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Speaker 2: on the guy who has the transcendent tools, you know,

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Speaker 2: and to me that it's Richardson. I mean, you look

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Speaker 2: at his size, six foot four two, forty four four speed.

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Speaker 2: He's a high energy athlete. He's not just a lumbering

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Speaker 2: long strider. It's a guy who can make cuts in

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Speaker 2: open space. He can make guys miss, he can barrel

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Speaker 2: through contact and as a passer too, He's got incredible

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Speaker 2: arm strength, elasticity, He's got pretty good upper body mechanics. Actually,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mentioned he needs to sync up earlier,

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Speaker 2: but he does have a good release, you know. And

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Speaker 2: I do think when you talk about projection, I think

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Speaker 2: the mental building blocks are there. He's shown he can

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Speaker 2: read the middle of the field, he can go through progressions,

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Speaker 2: he can navigate the pocket, he can anticipate and manipulate

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Speaker 2: defenders with his eyes. I think all those things are

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Speaker 2: on tape. So build around that, you know, and build

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Speaker 2: him up, and I think he could do something really special.

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Speaker 2: So again, there is some projection involved. But if I'm

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Speaker 2: betting on a Hall of Famer. I'm going with the

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Speaker 2: transcendent passage. I'm going with Anthony.

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Speaker 1: There you go. I think we need more elasticity in

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Speaker 1: this podcast. That's fantastic breakdown. I mean, I'm gonna I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna steal that Ian if he don't mind, because you're right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as soon as you said that, that describes

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson, and we started with him. And now we

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Speaker 1: booke in this conversation talking about that intriguing quarterback coming

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Speaker 1: out of Florida's from Gainesville. We'll see what happens with

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Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts sitting there at four and all the

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Speaker 1: dominoes that are gonna fall in front of them. Ian. Lastly,

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Speaker 1: what are you writing about in the weeks leading up

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Speaker 1: to the draft and hype it up? Where can people

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Speaker 1: find you and your work on draft weekend? How are

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Speaker 1: you gonna be covering the draft? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Sure, so, you know, mainly right now we're doing scouting

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Speaker 2: report updates, making sure that we're cross checking and re

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Speaker 2: evaluating wherever we need to. But like I said before

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Speaker 2: the call, most of the work is done, you know.

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Speaker 2: For now, It's just I have another mock draft, a

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Speaker 2: three rounder coming out this weekend to keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on that. We'll kind of mix it up a bit

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Speaker 2: for the Colts so we can get some more projections

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Speaker 2: in there, but that'll be up you know, we'll have

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Speaker 2: a live show during the draft, but right now we're

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Speaker 2: just doing mocks, drafts or doing videos stuff like that,

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Speaker 2: saluting import updates. We'll have top ten positional updates and

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Speaker 2: next week as well. Right so, really it's just you know,

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Speaker 2: all the information that we've gathered to this point, kind

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Speaker 2: of gathering it together, compiling it and synthesizing it, and

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Speaker 2: then just hanging on for the ride, because all the

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Speaker 2: you doing the lead up to the draft, the draft

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Speaker 2: will sit in your face and say, Nope, you thought wrong.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: It'll be fun, but it's yeah, that's what we've got

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Speaker 2: going on in my work. You follow me at IC

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Speaker 2: Underscore Draft on Twitter. Profable Network is at PSN three

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Speaker 2: sixty five.

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Speaker 1: Yep, let the chaos begin. That's Ian Cummings, NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: analyst said Pro Football Network and as he just said

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at IC Underscore Draft Pro Football Networks where

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Speaker 1: you can find them. Ian, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: the time. It's always a pleasure to have you on

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Speaker 1: around draft season and keep that phone on. I hope

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Speaker 1: we can do it again soon, maybe after the draft.

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Speaker 1: Always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Yes sir, Yes sir, Its gonna be fun. Thank you,