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Speaker 1: another edition of the Giant Huttle podcast. John Smoke with you.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest is Dane Burglar from the Athletic. But first

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Speaker 1: He is Dane Burglar. He's the lead draft analyst from

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Speaker 1: the Athletic and we've had a lot of guys on here, Dame.

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Speaker 1: We focused on the first round with them a lot,

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna try to focus on day two guys

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Speaker 1: with you and your latest intel. And the reason why

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Speaker 1: is that you are the author. I'm old school. I

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Speaker 1: printed it out of the beast. Look how thick it is.

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Speaker 1: Look at the spiral. How many player prospect profiles you

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Speaker 1: have in there? Dane? Yes, So who better to dig

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Speaker 1: deep than the guy who did four hundred and fifteen

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Speaker 1: missing on its own. It's worth it. Make sure you

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Speaker 1: guys go check it out. And Dane, just to pass

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Speaker 1: it on to you. My guys here, and I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about the David Deals and Shona Howards of the world.

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Speaker 1: When they ask me for their draft guide, you're the

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Speaker 1: one they asked me for because they say your detail

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Speaker 1: Other people a right, Oh they have bad hands technique

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Speaker 1: and David Deals like, what does that mean to me?

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Speaker 1: It means nothing, but he likes the detail you go into.

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Speaker 1: You just want to say everybody does appreciate your hard work.

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Speaker 1: That's that's great to hear. It's it's a year round project.

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Speaker 1: A lot goes into it. So hopefully people check it out.

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Speaker 1: Zero percent chance will be disappointed with everything that's in there.

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Speaker 1: Yes it is. You will have it by your side

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Speaker 1: when you watch the draft and all the information need background, technique, stats,

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Speaker 1: testing numbers, everything is in there for each prospect. Make

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Speaker 1: sure you guys go there and check it out. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's get to Dame Brugle here and Dane, let's

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Speaker 1: start here. The Giants go to Levin. What they do

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Speaker 1: will be very much dependent on what happens in front

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Speaker 1: start here, you don't have to you know, list of probability,

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Speaker 1: but rules later the four top playmakers. Who has the

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Speaker 1: best chance of being there at eleven in your opinion,

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Speaker 1: probably Davante Smith UM wide receiver Alabama. UM. I think

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Speaker 1: Also factor in that he started double digit games each

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Speaker 1: How about the cornerbacks. Let's take those top five that

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Speaker 1: I think he's best as a SAM because you can,

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Speaker 1: you know, throw on the Penn State tape and he's

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Speaker 1: covering pet Friar muth Uh. You know he can drop

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Speaker 1: in space and and cover. He has that those athletic traits.

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Speaker 1: Really it comes down to his mental development and just

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Speaker 1: he needs to get better with his keys and staying

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Speaker 1: ahead of plays, ahead of blocks, um, instead of being

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Speaker 1: a little too reactive. But again, another guy, you look

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Speaker 1: at the traits and you say, okay, we're gonna bet

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Speaker 1: on that. Uh you know his ability a four or

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Speaker 1: five athlete, a two pounds uh thirty three and a

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Speaker 1: half inch arms uh three comb which really you know

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Speaker 1: shows just you know, change the direction and how good

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Speaker 1: he is uh redirecting and making plays. So um, I

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna be high on the list for teams

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Speaker 1: on day two. And then his teammate Pete Warner, who

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the opposite in some ways, six

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Speaker 1: three to thirty eight. I don't know that he necessarily

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Speaker 1: has He doesn't have the same physical traits, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know that he necessarily has a you know, one

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Speaker 1: area that you would point to and say, okay, this

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Speaker 1: is what he does better than everybody else. So this

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Speaker 1: is what he is really really good at. But he

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Speaker 1: is solid across the board. You know, he's one of

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Speaker 1: those guys that could be a four down player in

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Speaker 1: the NFL because you trust him in any situation. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, he can drop in coverage, he can blitz,

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Speaker 1: he can play on special teams. So Pete Warner is

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Speaker 1: a player that I know a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams like, and I don't know that he makes

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Speaker 1: it to the fourth round. Maybe somewhere in the third

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Speaker 1: is where he ends up coming off the board. Uh,

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Speaker 1: And I probably throw Chas s Rot in that mix

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Speaker 1: as well as a Day two player who UH teams

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Speaker 1: are intrigued with six to thirty former quarterback. You know,

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Speaker 1: you don't really see that transition very often to college level,

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Speaker 1: where a player is a quarterback for three years then

463
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Speaker 1: moves a linebacker and in two years, uh, at at

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Speaker 1: linebacker he had two six total tackles, So really impressive

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Speaker 1: transition that he made. But you know there's still some

466
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Speaker 1: areas where he needs to improve and get better and

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Speaker 1: continue that transformation. But in the third round, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think you feel comfortable taking that chance, assuming a

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Speaker 1: guy like Terris Marshall. I know there's some late word

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Speaker 1: that maybe there's some injury concerns with him, Elijah more Right,

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Speaker 1: if those guys are gone by forty two, I think

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Speaker 1: you're probably pretty safe to wait on that next wide out. Dane.

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Speaker 1: Who are some of the round three, round four guys

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Speaker 1: that you really like? That could fall through the cracks

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Speaker 1: and in such a deep class, could still end up

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Speaker 1: giving you start a starter caliber reps. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: it just depends in if you really like one of

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Speaker 1: those guys that you don't think's gonna follo to you

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Speaker 1: in the third round, like Dammy Brown, for example, who

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Speaker 1: I really like out of North Carolina. Like he's the

481
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Speaker 1: best double move receiver in this class. He's very skilled

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Speaker 1: at double moves and he wins downfield. His speeds outstanding,

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Speaker 1: is tracking skills are outstanding. Needs to expand that route tree,

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Speaker 1: needs to improve some of the reliability, uh, you know,

485
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Speaker 1: issues just in terms of being a better finisher underneath.

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Speaker 1: But if you know, and and maybe the Giants already

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Speaker 1: have a guy like this, like with Darius Slayton, you know,

488
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Speaker 1: maybe he already fits that mold. So maybe Danny Brown

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Speaker 1: in the second round is a little rich. But if

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Speaker 1: they did wait till the third round, fourth round, then

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Speaker 1: you know, because and it's kind of corners where there's

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Speaker 1: just a sheer volume of players, some of these guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna fall. Uh. You know a Thayland Wallace from

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State as a player that you know all through

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Speaker 1: the season, scouts. Yeah, second round pick, not getting out

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Speaker 1: of second But when we get here, you know, to

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Speaker 1: the week of the draft and uh, you know, you

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Speaker 1: you stack these guys and you're just there's so many

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Speaker 1: players that someone has to fall. And so if Tayland

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Speaker 1: Wallace Gort to fall into the third round, that wouldn't

501
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Speaker 1: be a huge surprise. U Nico Collins from Michigan, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he opted out. I think he heard himself a little

503
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Speaker 1: bit there. But a team could get really good value

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Speaker 1: in the third round with a Nico Colins six four

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Speaker 1: to fifteen runs. Well, uh, you know, he's he's a

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Speaker 1: guy that's you know, probably not could be one of

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Speaker 1: the top ten receivers drafted this year, but it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be surprising get five years from now we look at

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Speaker 1: him as being one of the top ten receivers from

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Speaker 1: this class. Uh, so a really interesting player there. Once

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Speaker 1: we get into the fourth round, you know, that's where

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Speaker 1: maybe a semi photoco from Stanford comes into play. Six

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Speaker 1: four two twenty two pounds, A guy that's gonna help

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Speaker 1: you on special teams right away. Uh, that that's gonna

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Speaker 1: be something that is going to help him. Uh, you

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Speaker 1: know stand out to coaches is what he can do

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Speaker 1: on special teams coverages, and then as you work him

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Speaker 1: into the offense, a big presence with a size uh

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a guy who can win into catch point.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot to like about his athleticism for

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Speaker 1: a guy that size, and it doesn't stop. You know,

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Speaker 1: the depth of this wide receiver class. Every single round,

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Speaker 1: you're going to be able to find players that intrigue

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Speaker 1: you in some way some fashion. So I think we're

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Speaker 1: gon see some teams wait until third, fourth, maybe in

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Speaker 1: the fifth round before they even feel comfortable addressing the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position. Who are a couple of Day three

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Speaker 1: running back to tight ends of the Giants looking for

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Speaker 1: some depth there? Ingram last year of his contract, Ki

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Speaker 1: Rudolph just a two year deal, Barkley coming off an

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Speaker 1: a c L. Davante Booker is the only other running

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Speaker 1: back on the roster the Giants want to add to

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Speaker 1: those two spots Day three, round four or five six.

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Speaker 1: Who are some guys that you like that could fall

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Speaker 1: in that area and a tight end? It's not really

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Speaker 1: a great group this year. After the top five, you know,

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Speaker 1: we're see Kyle Pitts go very early obviously, and then

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Speaker 1: on day two Pat Fiarmouth rev and Jordan's Tommy Trumbull.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a Hunter Long gets in there. If I or

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Speaker 1: Long we're to far to the fourth Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: then you know you jump all over that. But there's

542
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Speaker 1: a good bet that he's gonna be off the board,

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Speaker 1: and then there's a little bit of a drop off.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you know, you feel great about

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Speaker 1: any of these. Uh tight ends in the fourth round,

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Speaker 1: even in the fifth round, it's a little bit of

547
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Speaker 1: a stretch. I'm a big Jacob Harris fan at a UCF,

548
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Speaker 1: my top sleeper this year. Uh, he's even more of

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Speaker 1: a Some teams have him on the board as a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver because he is six five to twenty a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a developmental prospect um. Trey McKitty at

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Speaker 1: A Georgia is one of those guys who could be

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Speaker 1: end up being a better pro than college player. Uh,

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Speaker 1: six four six pounds runs well. Not a ton of production.

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Speaker 1: He was used. Uh the way he was used really

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Speaker 1: kept him from piling up numbers in the stat sheet.

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Speaker 1: But you know, he goes to the Senior Bowl and

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Speaker 1: he shows he could run downfield routes and there's something

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Speaker 1: more to him. So Trey McKitty could be an option

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Speaker 1: once you get to the fifth round, sixth round. John

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Speaker 1: Bates from Boise State another one of those guys. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna help you on special team six five and a

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Speaker 1: half to fifty. Uh. Not a great athlete, but uh,

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Speaker 1: if you want a guy that can you can trust

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Speaker 1: as a blocker and also is gonna give you a

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Speaker 1: little bit of juice as a as a pass catcher,

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Speaker 1: Bates in the sixth round, what would make some sense.

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Speaker 1: And then a running back. It's kind of a similar

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Speaker 1: conversation where there's guys at the top to get you excited.

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Speaker 1: Naj Harris, Travis E. T n both with North Carolina

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Speaker 1: running backs of a big Kenneth gain Well fan. But

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Speaker 1: maybe even throw Trey Sermon in that mix. After those

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Speaker 1: top six a little bit of a drop off and

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Speaker 1: it really becomes you know, what kind of what type

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Speaker 1: of back are you're looking for? Are you looking for

576
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Speaker 1: someone that has a little bit of juice like a

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Speaker 1: Khalil Herbert at a Virginia Tech If you're looking for

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Speaker 1: a more uh, someone with a well rounded skill set

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Speaker 1: who can catch the ball in the backfield like a JV. N.

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Speaker 1: Hawkins or Chris Evans, Romandre Stevenson. So there's different types

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Speaker 1: of backs once you get to day three. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that any of them are going to knock your

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Speaker 1: socks off and and really impress you. But depending on

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Speaker 1: what you're looking for, Uh, you know a Cuba Hubbard

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Speaker 1: from Oklahoma State and another one of those speed guys

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Speaker 1: where it's all predicated on acceleration with his game. Um,

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Speaker 1: if you're looking for maybe a player that can do

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00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: a little bit of everything, Larry Rountree Missouri five eleven,

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00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: two twelve pounds, can block, can take care of the football,

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00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: he can catch up on the backfield. Just a guy

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Speaker 1: that's dependable and I think a lot of he's not

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Speaker 1: the best athlete, but a lot of his strengths translate

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00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: talking about vision patients, balance. So, uh, you know guys that, uh,

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Speaker 1: this running back class not a ton of guys that

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Speaker 1: get excited about, but definitely some guys that can come

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Speaker 1: in and help you out, especially on sub packages. All right, Dane,

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00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: final question, Let's go three rounds deep. Let's have fun.

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Speaker 1: Give me some giant predictions. Were less than a week

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Speaker 1: away from the draft. Their first three picks in the

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Speaker 1: stift Alright, So starting at eleven, I do think this

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Speaker 1: is where I think ideally they go pass Rusher here. Um,

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00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 1: And ideally speaking, I think they would love to go

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Speaker 1: pass Rusher uh and really boost up that uh that position. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm just you know, do they take a quicky pay

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Speaker 1: that early today? Take an audillarry. Um, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: Varia Tucker here, uh, just because you know, and maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm allowing some of my own bias to the leak

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Speaker 1: in here, just because I think he's just such a

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Speaker 1: good player, high floor player. UM, I'm gonna say, Vera

610
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: Tucker here, you plug him out guard and you know,

611
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: you strengthen your offensive line in a big way. Um.

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Speaker 1: Second round, Um, simply go pass Rusher and um, you

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Speaker 1: know which pass rush is gonna be there for them

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Speaker 1: at that point? Uh maybe it could uh could boogie

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Speaker 1: bash and be there for him. Uh. You know, let's

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00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: just say that. Guys like Joe try On and Russo

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Speaker 1: say they're off the board, so let's go boogie basham there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In the second round, Uh for the Giants, they upgrade

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Speaker 1: the pass rush uh. And then third round, um, they

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Speaker 1: could go back on the defensive line. They could go corner,

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Speaker 1: let's say, pulsing a debo the corner from Stanford. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know they added the Dory Jackson, but

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Speaker 1: you know, keep upgrading on in that secondary with the

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Speaker 1: guy like Paulson Adbo. So yeah, let's go offense at

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Speaker 1: eleven with Vera Tucker and then addressed the pass rush

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Speaker 1: with Boogie Bassam basham at forty two, and then in

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Speaker 1: the third round we'll go a debo. A pick was

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Speaker 1: a seventy six. So yeah, I think that that would

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Speaker 1: make some sense for them. He's Dame Brouglar. He's the

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Speaker 1: author of The Beast is the best draft guy out there, folks.

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Speaker 1: You can get it with your subscription to The Athletic. Dan,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for the time. We appreciate it, they

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Speaker 1: say out there, my friend enjoyed the uh home stretch. Here,

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Speaker 1: We're almost there, Mann, Dame Brugler from the Athletic, we

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