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Speaker 2: twenty minutes from now. The big topic today the Tush push.
Speaker 2: The Philadelphia Eagles and the Green Bay Packers reportedly have
Speaker 2: come forward to say, we object, your honor, we would
Speaker 2: like to get rid of this play. And Diana Rossini
Speaker 2: did the great work on this to find out that
Speaker 2: we knew one team had come forward, and that's all
Speaker 2: it takes to get it started. Now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you put it in front of the competition committing and
Speaker 2: maybe something happens. Maybe you change it, maybe you tweak it,
Speaker 2: maybe you just get rid of it. This is what
Speaker 2: the NFL. If the NFL is going to eradicate the
Speaker 2: Tush push, they're going to need injury data because that
Speaker 2: trump's everything. Once you have that, nobody argues. Nobody can
Speaker 2: argue because it's safety first in the NFL, or they
Speaker 2: want you to believe that. But this they might just say,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's too predictable, it's boring. Maybe this
Speaker 2: the Eagles have mastered this and this is the old
Speaker 2: version of the extra point where they're going to get
Speaker 2: it right ninety eight point six percent of the time.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what they want to get rid of. They
Speaker 2: don't want that. I still think the simple solution is
Speaker 2: just don't allow somebody behind Jalen Hurts to push.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 2: We'll dive into this a little deeper here in a moment.
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Speaker 2: our one and what are we going to start out with?
Speaker 4: In hour two hour one? We had up there today?
Speaker 5: The Green Bay Packers are heroes or zeros? Voting is close.
Speaker 5: Voting is very close right now. It's at fifty one
Speaker 5: percent Heroes. It was slightly higher, but the Zeros have
Speaker 5: been trending upwards. They have about forty nine percent think
Speaker 5: they're zeros.
Speaker 2: That's probably because we have a large audience in the
Speaker 2: state of Wisconsin. So they're fighting for their right as
Speaker 2: they should. Yes, they they should put up a good fight.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with them, yes, Paul.
Speaker 6: But do you think that the NFL believes that most
Speaker 6: football fans want to play gone? Yes, they'll push to
Speaker 6: make it gone because there's only one team that's going
Speaker 6: to fight for it.
Speaker 2: Yes, but you can't single out a team like this.
Speaker 6: They're going to use language they'll say in the spirit
Speaker 6: of competition and safety where they won't present any numbers.
Speaker 7: They'll just make it.
Speaker 6: I think it was like twenty seventeen eighteen guys were
Speaker 6: jumping over the line to block kicks.
Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen they outlawed it. It was legal, but that
Speaker 2: I can understand the safety element of that, jumping up,
Speaker 2: jumping on somebody, stepping on somebody, landing on somebody.
Speaker 6: Nobody actually got hurt, and they didn't use numbers. They
Speaker 6: just said we're getting rid of this. But it was
Speaker 6: a loophole a bunch of teams used.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: I think because the Eagles have mastered it and nobody
Speaker 2: else has now let's say four other teams were successful,
Speaker 2: then would they get rid of this. I don't I
Speaker 2: don't mind it. I mean football is about me against you.
Speaker 2: That's the ultimate me against you. Now it might not
Speaker 2: be sexy. I mean they love throwing the football and
Speaker 2: you know, getting touched down all that stuff. First touchdown
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl was the tush push. I'm okay
Speaker 2: with it. Yeah.
Speaker 7: See.
Speaker 5: It's weird though because we've had, uh, we've had some
Speaker 5: coaches on before and they hate the play because they're like, eh,
Speaker 5: that's not a football play or to me, it seems
Speaker 5: like the ultimate football play. But they're a lot of
Speaker 5: coaches criticize it as a rugby play, not a football play.
Speaker 2: It's not a strategy play. It's just brute force against
Speaker 2: brute force. But I mean, really that's what the NFL
Speaker 2: was about. My line against your line, offensive line against
Speaker 2: defensive line. I just worry about the jumping over that
Speaker 2: we saw with the Commanders against the Eagles down at
Speaker 2: the goal line in the playoffs, Like that would concern
Speaker 2: me because you're going to keep jumping over you could
Speaker 2: you know, dive over and hit the quarterback. You know,
Speaker 2: that would be a concern.
Speaker 7: For me.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and five, the NFL made the penalty
Speaker 2: only for pulling or carrying, removing the flag in cases
Speaker 2: of pushing, so pushing the runner eventually became a key strategy.
Speaker 2: This was twenty twenty. The Eagles adopted the Brotherly shove,
Speaker 2: and the NCAA followed that as well. They allowed the
Speaker 2: pushing of a runner in twenty thirteen. Pushing still remains
Speaker 2: illegal in high school games. Go back five when you
Speaker 2: had the Reggie Bush push with Matt Liinerd against Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: They shouldn't allow that.
Speaker 7: That's all.
Speaker 2: You just don't allow somebody behind the runner to push
Speaker 2: the runner. I think it simplifies everything. Then it's just
Speaker 2: a quarterback sneak. You're not going to outlaw the quarterback sneak, correct,
Speaker 2: not going to be able to do that. But assuming
Speaker 2: the runner in interlocking interference, no offensive player may pull
Speaker 2: a runner in any direction. This is Rule twelve player conduct.
Speaker 2: By the way, you can't use interlocking interference. I don't
Speaker 2: even know what the hell this is. This is way
Speaker 2: lawyers go, hey, you know what, I got some language
Speaker 2: in here. It'll confuse the media. Well job, well done.
Speaker 2: You can't grasp a teammate or use his hands or
Speaker 2: arms to encircle the body of a teammate in an effort,
Speaker 2: so you can't hold on to them like here on
Speaker 2: the back of a motorcycle. You can't throw his body
Speaker 2: against a teammate to aid him in an attempt to
Speaker 2: obstruct an opponent, or recover loose ball. For assisting the runner,
Speaker 2: the penalty is a loss of ten yards. Just don't
Speaker 2: let somebody push the quarterback at all. Then's a quarterback sneak.
Speaker 2: You're going to outlaw the quarterback sneak. Yes, Paul, you're right.
Speaker 2: It was two thousand and five.
Speaker 6: Like you said, the NFL allowed pushing of the ballcarrier
Speaker 6: but said pulling is still illegal. Mike Perero was the
Speaker 6: director of officials back then and did an interview with
Speaker 6: the La Times. He said the league found it was
Speaker 6: so difficult to officiate pushing at the ball carrier. When
Speaker 6: did it happen in the pile downfield? So they just
Speaker 6: removed it, which opened up the door to push ball carriers.
Speaker 6: And then years later the Eagles took advantage of it.
Speaker 2: And I know that there's an injury risk on the play.
Speaker 2: Chris Jones got his neck screwed up a little bit
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. I get it, but were there
Speaker 2: injury concerns with the quarterback sneak. I don't remember anybody
Speaker 2: saying the quarterback sneak is unfair. Tom Brady is too
Speaker 2: good at it, and he was too good at it,
Speaker 2: but they didn't try to outlaw it. This is the
Speaker 2: player behind the quarterback. That's all it is. Get rid
Speaker 2: of it and then all of a sudden, that's exactly
Speaker 2: what you have, a quarterback sneak. The Eagles and Buffalo
Speaker 2: Bills have used the quarterback or the push the tush
Speaker 2: push one hundred and sixty three times over the last
Speaker 2: three seasons, so that's more than the rest of the
Speaker 2: league combined. Philadelphia and Buffalo scored a touchdown or gained
Speaker 2: a first down eighty seven percent of the time, the
Speaker 2: rest of the league seventy one percent rate. But Sean McDermott,
Speaker 2: the head coach of the Bills, has come out to
Speaker 2: say that he is worried about the injuries. Now, Buffalo
Speaker 2: didn't do the tush push when they really needed a
Speaker 2: yard in the playof it didn't work. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if a team has mastered something where the NFL
Speaker 2: goes out of its way to penalize them by taking
Speaker 2: it away, maybe jumping. You know, Jamie Collins with the
Speaker 2: Patriots was really good at blocking kicks, jumping up, block
Speaker 2: jumping on people, jumping over Cam Chancellor. But I don't
Speaker 2: know if the NF the NFL doesn't look good if
Speaker 2: they go, you know what, guys are too good at this.
Speaker 2: It'd be like saying to Patrick Mahomes, you can't throw
Speaker 2: the ball to Tyreek kill, Like that's not fair. You
Speaker 2: guys are too good. At what point do you go,
Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm gonna get rid of this. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna get rid of this because it's boring or nobody
Speaker 2: else can stop this, and maybe it happens. Maybe there's
Speaker 2: enough of, you know, a push to this from everybody else.
Speaker 2: But I would need data. I need injury data, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you can pass this through.
Speaker 2: The commissioner can just say all right, I'm gonna rubber
Speaker 2: stamp this going through. We're done with this, but you're
Speaker 2: going to hear a lot more about this play over
Speaker 2: the next probably three weeks, four weeks, maybe even longer,
Speaker 2: And you know, the combine. Everybody's there. At the combine,
Speaker 2: you're going to have the NFL Draft. It'll probably be
Speaker 2: a topic of conversation. You have the committed and and
Speaker 2: if we don't address it now or the NFL doesn't
Speaker 2: address it now, I don't want to hear about it
Speaker 2: in October. This is it. Like if we get talk
Speaker 2: September October the super Bowl. You can't go all of
Speaker 2: a sudden. You know that's not fair. This is when
Speaker 2: it needs to be discussed and they decide if they
Speaker 2: want to keep it or get rid of it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul, I remember thinking during the Super Bowl when
Speaker 6: they showed that shot of the sidelines and Chris Jones
Speaker 6: he's having his neck adjusted. He looked like he was
Speaker 6: in pain. I remember thinking, in that moment, if he
Speaker 6: doesn't return to this game, there's your opening. A big
Speaker 6: name star player in the biggest game hurts his head
Speaker 6: neck area on the tush push. That's where you're like,
Speaker 6: I don't need data. I got that video right there.
Speaker 2: A lot of times what happens is you need that moment.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say a player gets injured, but
Speaker 2: that does sometimes. You know Tom Brady when he got injured,
Speaker 2: when Bernard Pollard went low on his knee to change
Speaker 2: changed the game where you have that moment where somebody
Speaker 2: gets injured or there's a penalty, or a game has
Speaker 2: changed because of a certain call. But Chris Jones was
Speaker 2: lined up at an angle on the tush push and look,
Speaker 2: is it a Is it a mass scrum? It's a
Speaker 2: mosh pit? Absolutely it is. But Philidelph, if Philadelphia didn't
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl, if Philadelphia wasn't successful as a team,
Speaker 2: would this be an issue? If Philadelphia had a season
Speaker 2: like Jacksonville, would we be up in arms? And the answers, No,
Speaker 2: you don't want the best team to get away with something.
Speaker 2: Hey that's not fair. Okay, what are you gonna do
Speaker 2: about it? Well, we're gonna tell the commissioner. Okay, it's
Speaker 2: like that picture's throwing too hard. You know when you're
Speaker 2: a little league, it's like, hey, he's throwing too hard.
Speaker 2: All right, you got to pay. Don't throw so hard.
Speaker 2: Throw a couple of breaking balls. Get Tommy john surgery,
Speaker 2: all right, So jj Watt will join us. PAULI reached
Speaker 2: out to him and he said that he has some
Speaker 2: strong opinions on this. Uh, Joe and Montana, Joe, Good morning.
Speaker 2: What's on your mind today?
Speaker 8: Good morning Dan and Dan at second time long time
Speaker 8: six three six, got you? I just got back reported
Speaker 8: by Arta. Hey, I'm not even going to dignify this
Speaker 8: push with a fancy name like tush push. It's assisting players.
Speaker 9: Dan.
Speaker 8: Do you remember the Ice Bowl?
Speaker 7: Yes?
Speaker 8: Okay? The back behind Bart Starr? What did he do
Speaker 8: when Bart went into the end zone?
Speaker 2: I think he laid on him.
Speaker 8: No, he put his hands up. And why did he
Speaker 8: do that.
Speaker 2: So he wouldn't be accused of pushing him in?
Speaker 8: That's correct. I am totally against this push.
Speaker 7: I'm an old guy.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna get off my turf guy, and I don't
Speaker 8: like the way the NFL is going fritzy. That picture
Speaker 8: of Bud Grant, I grew up in Minnesota. That picture
Speaker 8: of Bud Bud Durrant. Please cover it because he doesn't
Speaker 8: want to hear this.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, thank you, Joe, Joe and Montana. Was
Speaker 2: that Chuck mrcine, the running back behind Bart Starr when
Speaker 2: he had the quarterback sneak behind Jerry Kramer. Jethro Pugh
Speaker 2: was the defensive lineman for the Cowboys when Bart went
Speaker 2: in for the quarterback sneak NFC Title game number thirty.
Speaker 2: Is that right, correct?
Speaker 7: Number thirty?
Speaker 6: Chuck Marsine, Yes, he kind of lay his weight towards
Speaker 6: Bart Starr, but he puts his hands up like I'm
Speaker 6: not doing anything.
Speaker 2: Let me see Andrew in Washington. Hi Andrew, good morning,
Speaker 2: DP and Danna. Thanks for taking my call. As far
Speaker 2: as that push push, I don't think it makes a difference.
Speaker 2: Behind Jalen Hurts if somebody pushes him.
Speaker 10: There's reports out there that he can, you know, squat
Speaker 10: five or six hundred pounds as far as he gets,
Speaker 10: they don't need somebody to push him, So I say
Speaker 10: it doesn't really matter. I think the Green Made Packers
Speaker 10: was just a team in the meeting that decided to say, Okay, fine,
Speaker 10: we'll say something, so they brought it up.
Speaker 1: On that note, I.
Speaker 10: Also do have a stat of the day a couple
Speaker 10: of them. The Lakers actually go into tonight's game with
Speaker 10: the highest defensive rating in the NBA over the last
Speaker 10: fifteen games, so they are doing something different. And with
Speaker 10: their comeback win last night in overtime over the Thunder,
Speaker 10: the Minnesota Timberwolves became the first team in NBA history
Speaker 10: to win a game on the road against a team
Speaker 10: with an eighty percent or better winning percentage when entering
Speaker 10: the four quartered down at least twenty points.
Speaker 2: Stat of the day, stat of the day, That beast
Speaker 2: stat of the day.
Speaker 7: Stat of the day? Here comes that? What stat of
Speaker 7: the day?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw a flag on Andrew on that one.
Speaker 2: That's a little too too deep of a cut.
Speaker 7: A little too deep there.
Speaker 2: Jake in Minnesota, Hi, Jake, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 8: Hey? Dan?
Speaker 11: Two things for you? Want to comment about the touchbush?
Speaker 11: I sort of relate it to salbating in the NBA.
Speaker 11: That was a big talk of discussion. Obviously two very
Speaker 11: different things, but it feels like the NBA tried to
Speaker 11: do something. James Harden championed it, and now we're still
Speaker 11: talking about it. So I don't think the touchbush is
Speaker 11: going anywhere. But I did have a question for you
Speaker 11: that's sort of irrelevant on the discussion we're having. You
Speaker 11: always talk about how you when you game, when you
Speaker 11: came into the business here, you sort of took fandom
Speaker 11: ship out of everything, But what about when you're like
Speaker 11: watching the American like for the four Nations face out
Speaker 11: for the Olympics. Do you root for the Americans there, Danny.
Speaker 2: Nope, Nope, doesn't matter. It became a there was better
Speaker 2: content because Canada won. I'm in the content business. What
Speaker 2: is the best story? But look, do I want Americans
Speaker 2: to win? Yeah, But if you said Canada was going
Speaker 2: to win, the four nations got to be like great,
Speaker 2: I'm fine with that. Sweden's got I don't care. It's
Speaker 2: what is the best story to tell instead of you know,
Speaker 2: that's a predictable story over and over and over, like
Speaker 2: Kansas City. If Kansas City had won the Super Bowl, fine,
Speaker 2: Eagles winning great, doesn't matter. I do miss the high
Speaker 2: highs and low lows when it comes to fandom. I've
Speaker 2: said that before. That's the one thing that I had
Speaker 2: to sacrifice. But you have to do that because I
Speaker 2: don't want you to go, oh, he's got a bias
Speaker 2: towards or against because I I can't do that. You
Speaker 2: can't do this job and be a fan. Others do it.
Speaker 2: Good for them. I came into the business the same
Speaker 2: way I'm going to go out, and that is trying
Speaker 2: to be fair to everybody. The best I can do.
Speaker 2: I root for a player or a story, yes, but
Speaker 2: if it doesn't happen, it's not the end of the
Speaker 2: world to me. I'm not emotionally invested like that. I'm
Speaker 2: intellectually invested. I have to do a job, and that's
Speaker 2: the best way I can do my job. I do
Speaker 2: root for JJ Watt and his broadcasting career. I do
Speaker 2: got another baby on the way and I root for
Speaker 2: him having as many babies as and his soccer team
Speaker 2: Burnley Y. Yeah, I hope that he does well with that.
Speaker 2: They're looking at promotion.
Speaker 4: I think I think they're third in the championship, which
Speaker 4: means they would be right in like a playoff spot
Speaker 4: to get up to Okay, exciting.
Speaker 2: Well, JJ Watt is going to join us coming up
Speaker 2: right after this Pan Patrick show.
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Speaker 7: Is that right?
Speaker 2: What's the time frame for baby number two?
Speaker 7: Dropping this summer, this summer, looking forward to it, Okay,
Speaker 7: any advice?
Speaker 3: No, Obviously you start thinking about like how many and everything.
Speaker 3: And I've been asking a lot of people and there's
Speaker 3: it's almost split fifty to fifty on people to say
Speaker 3: going from one to two is harder, going from two
Speaker 3: to three is harder.
Speaker 2: I would say one to two is going to change you.
Speaker 2: But two to three, now you're already in chaos. So
Speaker 2: once you get to three. We got to three and
Speaker 2: we meet at least said we wanted to have a fourth,
Speaker 2: like we didn't. Wow, that was it? So I had four?
Speaker 2: Well my wife had four under seven years of age,
Speaker 2: so we were it was. It was chaos, it really was.
Speaker 2: But looking back on it, they grew up together. Uh,
Speaker 2: they're very close now. So hopefully you know you have
Speaker 2: a girl and that'll that'll crush you, that will absolutely
Speaker 2: rush you. So that do you know what you're having?
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Speaker 7: Yes, Okay, you tell me, world doesn't no?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, good try though. I mean that's that's good radio.
Speaker 2: You know, it's good hosting, it's content. But if it's
Speaker 2: a girl, I have three, so that's where I can
Speaker 2: help you with that. But if you want to, you know.
Speaker 7: I mean, you're you're trying to leave me down the
Speaker 7: road here, and I'm not going okay, all right, just
Speaker 7: not all right, although.
Speaker 3: I did see uh, I'm sure Pauli has plenty of
Speaker 3: tips for me for girls. He sent me he was
Speaker 3: trying to give Fritzy a bit of stick for how
Speaker 3: many times he texted me to get me on the
Speaker 3: show last time and paul got me on the.
Speaker 7: Show this time.
Speaker 3: But I said, if you're gonna give me stick, then
Speaker 3: you can't, Or if you're gonna get Fritzie stick, then you
Speaker 3: can't send me highlights of your daughter's high.
Speaker 7: School basketball team in the text messages.
Speaker 6: Oh I no, apologies. My daughter said to me, can
Speaker 6: Uncle JJ take a look at my shot? I said,
Speaker 6: of course he can. I love you on fire.
Speaker 3: I mean she is a very good basketball player, so
Speaker 3: the highlights well deserved.
Speaker 7: But I would never have.
Speaker 3: Said anything if you didn't come at Fritzy first. So
Speaker 3: I protect my friend Todd.
Speaker 2: I'm glad Paulie's sending you the videos in no longer us,
Speaker 2: so there's a benefit for all of this moving around.
Speaker 2: Your lasting memory of the combine was what.
Speaker 3: The relief when it was done, and warm ups in
Speaker 3: the hotel ballrooms. I think those are the two things
Speaker 3: that I remember the most. And then the train station
Speaker 3: obviously is its own. You guys know, I don't know
Speaker 3: how much the outside world really knows about the train
Speaker 3: station and everything that goes on the train station, all
Speaker 3: the interviews, the meeting of coaches and hallways, and it's
Speaker 3: basically just four days of It's literally the biggest job
Speaker 3: interview of your life. So you're walking around twenty four
Speaker 3: to seven just trying to make sure that you know
Speaker 3: everything is going according to plan because this can change
Speaker 3: millions of dollars. It can change your entire future.
Speaker 2: But are you It is your analogy. The train station
Speaker 2: like the car wash where.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's a literal train station. It's a Oh,
Speaker 3: there's an actual train station in Indianapolis. It's like a
Speaker 3: decommissioned train station. So you are inside the actual train
Speaker 3: the train station with train cars, like you're doing interviews
Speaker 3: inside the train cars.
Speaker 7: It's not like the UESD car wash. No, it's a
Speaker 7: real train.
Speaker 2: Oh. I wonder why they don't show this or give us.
Speaker 3: Oh I thought you got I thought, No, it's a
Speaker 3: pretty cool place and I think that's why Indianapolis is
Speaker 3: so well versed, besides being so walkable. But they have
Speaker 3: this huge, old, decommissioned train station and it's turned into
Speaker 3: like a hotel, so all the hotel rooms around the edges,
Speaker 3: and then in the middle all the trains are like offices.
Speaker 7: So you walk into one train and there's meetings with
Speaker 7: the NFL teams and then you walk out.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, but actually a good You brought me to
Speaker 3: a good point here. My lasting impression is my eventual
Speaker 3: defensive line coach, Bill Kohlar for the Houston Texans. After
Speaker 3: my meeting with the Texans, I walked out of the room.
Speaker 3: He followed me out of the room and he looks
Speaker 3: at me and he goes, I just gotta.
Speaker 7: Ask you real quick. You think you play hard? Good coach?
Speaker 3: I play hard every single snap, like I gave everything
Speaker 3: I have, so you think you can really though you
Speaker 3: think you play hard, it's a coach. I give it
Speaker 3: everything I have every single snap. He goes, You're a
Speaker 3: lion son of a bitch. You don't play hard at all.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, not going to Houston check him off.
Speaker 3: And then sure enough, what's he trying?
Speaker 2: To give me the look.
Speaker 3: That's who he is. My whole first year, I thought
Speaker 3: maybe he did. I thought this man hated me. I
Speaker 3: know I hated him. I couldn't stand him for my life.
Speaker 3: I was I considered quitting football. I was like, I
Speaker 3: don't like this. This is not fun. Is this what
Speaker 3: I actually wanted? Am I even good enough? Am I
Speaker 3: going to get cut? And now I went to his
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame ceremony for his college Football Hall of
Speaker 3: Fame induction. We're best friends. We golfed together, and I
Speaker 3: love the man and I'm so thankful for him. But
Speaker 3: he was a tough, old school hard nose. He bought
Speaker 3: a bear. He literally wrestled a bear when he played
Speaker 3: for the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 2: JJ Watt NFL Today on CBS Studio Analyst, The tush
Speaker 2: push is going to get a lot of conversation and
Speaker 2: feels like it's going to be kind of in the
Speaker 2: rotation here with a lot of shows for the next
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. Packers came forward and they said that
Speaker 2: they would like to get this Outlawned. How do you
Speaker 2: view the Packers in this situation coming forward to say
Speaker 2: to the NFL we want this outlawed.
Speaker 7: Oh, I mean, I don't mind.
Speaker 3: Like people put up rules every year, so I don't
Speaker 3: mind when teams put up rules if if that's what
Speaker 3: they want to do, if that's something they feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: It's not going to work. I mean, I don't They're
Speaker 7: not going to outlaw that play. It's very difficult to do.
Speaker 3: I also think, like everybody knows, if every team was
Speaker 3: great at it, it would be a problem, like if
Speaker 3: it was just a guarantee third and one, fourth and one.
Speaker 3: But only the Eagles have truly truly mastered it. And
Speaker 3: we watched that Bill's Chiefs game, and we saw the
Speaker 3: Chiefs knew that the Bill's had a tendency to run
Speaker 3: the quarterback seat to the left. They lined up and
Speaker 3: protected it and it worked and it literally got them
Speaker 3: to the super Bowl because of it.
Speaker 7: So until every.
Speaker 3: One of the thirty two teams is successful at it,
Speaker 3: you can't outlaud it. Just you can't punish the entire
Speaker 3: league because the Eagles are good at it. The Eagles
Speaker 3: are just really really good at it.
Speaker 2: How do you defend it? As a former defensive lineman.
Speaker 3: I honestly know the way that the Eagles do it,
Speaker 3: and how good they are at it. Honestly, think that
Speaker 3: if you do, if you defended it one hundred times,
Speaker 3: you might get lucky if you if you even if
Speaker 3: you had the perfect defense, But you have to have
Speaker 3: a couple guys going extremely low immediately on the snap,
Speaker 3: which does come down to almost timing it because they
Speaker 3: know the count you don't.
Speaker 7: That's where the big advantage is.
Speaker 3: And then you have to have a couple of guys
Speaker 3: going over the top and once again hitting it at
Speaker 3: the perfect time. So you have to try and stop
Speaker 3: those old lineman's momentum, and then you also have to
Speaker 3: try and stop Jalen's momentum with the push. But that's
Speaker 3: the crazy thing to me about the push push Dan,
Speaker 3: is that not every single team practices it and perfects
Speaker 3: it the way that the Eagles have. Yes, Jalen is
Speaker 3: extremely strong and he's going to be he's more powerful
Speaker 3: than most quarterbacks. Yes, they have a couple of great
Speaker 3: pushers behind him. Yes their line has perfected it. But
Speaker 3: you can't tell me that if a team practiced it
Speaker 3: every single week and truly perfected it and got the
Speaker 3: push down and got the line of the time it
Speaker 3: up perfectly and everybody to do it together.
Speaker 2: What's going on in your house?
Speaker 7: Some swollow? It's a great time to have a little
Speaker 7: construction going on. Living Listen, it was I'm good on
Speaker 7: your end?
Speaker 2: Was it planned like it is that your wife?
Speaker 7: Whether I'm not supposed to be happening right?
Speaker 3: I can't see the back entrance, so clearly, what the
Speaker 3: hell do.
Speaker 2: You want to do? You want to look outside? Right now?
Speaker 7: Should I? Should I go shut this down?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Give me, I'm gonna tell him.
Speaker 3: Give me ten minutes here, okay, you can stay on
Speaker 3: the audio and here, okay, all right, all.
Speaker 7: Right, it's just fun.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're maybe you're building the baby room, the new
Speaker 2: baby room.
Speaker 7: Could you take like a ten minute breakfast? Sorry, thank you,
Speaker 7: just ten minutes. I'll come, I'll come in, thank you. Yes, yes,
Speaker 7: all right, we got it, bought ourselves.
Speaker 2: Ten minutes there, okay, great, all right, I'd like it.
Speaker 2: You don't even know what's going on at your house now?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 7: Well now I do, okay, I thank you? Yeah, thank you, great,
Speaker 7: great man, great man.
Speaker 2: The regular play compared to the tush push? How much
Speaker 2: more dangerous is that tush push?
Speaker 7: And you're talking all plays versus the tush push.
Speaker 2: In terms of danger, well, let's say just a typical
Speaker 2: bunny seen injured by the tush push. Chris Jones in
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. Look like he got his neck banged
Speaker 2: up a little bit there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I mean I would say that, I would
Speaker 3: say that it's not it's It's really hard to say
Speaker 3: because obviously, being on a D line, I.
Speaker 7: Know how difficulty it is, especially when you're cranking a
Speaker 7: neck down there.
Speaker 3: But I would say that a high speed collision from
Speaker 3: further away is much more dangerous than you know, two
Speaker 3: inches away, damming yourself in there.
Speaker 2: The NFL is the NFL is looking for injury data,
Speaker 2: I'm guessing JJ because once they have that, they're all about,
Speaker 2: you know, safety protection, you know, the jumping over the line.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the loup poll.
Speaker 7: Here are they are they?
Speaker 2: Do you think the NFL won't block blocks?
Speaker 7: Are a cup blocks still in the game?
Speaker 2: I agree with you, one hundred percent. I agree, But
Speaker 2: this this play is predictable and it's boring, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's like the extra point they had to move it
Speaker 2: back to make it interesting. I wonder this is my
Speaker 2: tweaking take away. The lineman behind Jalen Hurts, then it's
Speaker 2: a quarterback sneak and nobody can complain about this. The
Speaker 2: Eagles will still be successful, maybe not as much, but
Speaker 2: just take the guy out from behind Jalen Hurts. That's it.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you at all. If they are
Speaker 3: going to change it, that's the way to change it.
Speaker 3: I also don't disagree with you that they're going to
Speaker 3: be just as successful. I don't think the pusher actually
Speaker 3: does a ton for them, because it's how good their
Speaker 3: offensive line is at it. They are so tight, they
Speaker 3: are so low, they all fire off at the exact
Speaker 3: same time on the snapcount, and Jalen is so strong
Speaker 3: that he just is beyond Most of the time, he
Speaker 3: is successful without the pusher even being an issue.
Speaker 2: Have you talked to the commissioner or anybody about why
Speaker 2: do they allow these linemen to cut you?
Speaker 7: Last year?
Speaker 3: We have the commissioner to come into CBS every year
Speaker 3: before the season starts, and we can you know, we
Speaker 3: talked to him asking questions last year. I was asking
Speaker 3: him more broad questions about football in general, the violence,
Speaker 3: about the flag, football aspect, and which way it's going.
Speaker 3: I haven't asked about that specifically, but it is one
Speaker 3: that I've brought up in NFLPA conversations. It's one that
Speaker 3: I bring up anytime anyone wants to talk to me
Speaker 3: about health and safety or protection. Obviously, being anti lineman,
Speaker 3: I know how much they protect the quarterback. Can't hit
Speaker 3: him low, can't hit him high, can't hit him here,
Speaker 3: can't hit him there. Yet as a defensive lineman, I
Speaker 3: can fire off the ball and they can purposefully split
Speaker 3: the blockers so that I come off free, and they
Speaker 3: can have a guy come from the side and literally
Speaker 3: his coaching point is to put his helmet on my knee.
Speaker 3: So don't tell me that it's all about health and
Speaker 3: safety when that's a perfectly legal block. And I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that it should be a flag because at the
Speaker 3: current moment it's not.
Speaker 7: So it's legal. I have to protect it, but there's no.
Speaker 3: Place for it in the game, and it it is
Speaker 3: literally the goal of it is to wipe out a
Speaker 3: guy's knee.
Speaker 2: I feel bad for you. Like the backdromp you got
Speaker 2: there is pretty pedestrian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, my wife's the real
Speaker 3: star of the show. So that's why the fastest goal
Speaker 3: in the US women's soccer history.
Speaker 7: I don't have that. Yeah, definitely quicker. She's much more agile.
Speaker 2: You don't even have your jersey framed.
Speaker 7: This.
Speaker 3: This is a book. This is a book from the
Speaker 3: Houston Texans, A really cool book. When I retired, they
Speaker 3: gave me a book of all my career.
Speaker 2: All right, okay, you got to dress that up a
Speaker 2: little bit here.
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you want? I got the Arnold
Speaker 3: book over here, big, big, heavy book. I don't It's
Speaker 3: a great book.
Speaker 7: I got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what's your yours? You're just I don't
Speaker 3: have the cool memorabilia that you have where I can
Speaker 3: just shower it all over my entire room.
Speaker 7: Well, I don't know, just I mean, it's incredible, it
Speaker 7: really is. Yeah, And how often you switching stuff out
Speaker 7: every day? Every day and it's only you. Nobody else
Speaker 7: touches it.
Speaker 2: They're not allowed to. Would you send me a Burnley
Speaker 2: patch and I'll put a question. I'll put it up
Speaker 2: here on the front. Okay, now, explain this soccer bet
Speaker 2: that's going on here.
Speaker 7: Yeah. It was started as a literal joke.
Speaker 3: So like obviously we talk to the guys on our
Speaker 3: team all the time and uh, James Trafford our keeper
Speaker 3: us literally he'll be the England number one keeper someday'
Speaker 3: he's that good.
Speaker 7: And he messaged me one day.
Speaker 3: It was we were talking about the Steelers Bengals because
Speaker 3: obviously my brother plays on the Steelers, and he was
Speaker 3: messing with me and he said, hey, do you fancy
Speaker 3: coming out of retirement and playing the Bengals? And so,
Speaker 3: being a smart ass, I said, yeah, you don't give
Speaker 3: up another goal the rest of the season, I'll come
Speaker 3: out of retirement play for the Bengals. There were twenty
Speaker 3: eight games left at the time. I was like, this
Speaker 3: is this is just a joke. Next game he didn't
Speaker 3: give up a goal. So I messaged him again and
Speaker 3: I said, hey, you're going to take this serious, huh?
Speaker 7: And he was like, I really want you to play
Speaker 7: for the Bengals.
Speaker 3: So two games later, two more games with no goals,
Speaker 3: I messaged him back. I said, all right, it's getting
Speaker 3: a little ridiculous. Now do you think you can make
Speaker 3: it the whole way? And he goes, how do you
Speaker 3: eat a whale one bite at a time? So he
Speaker 3: just and now here we sit and we're thirteen games later,
Speaker 3: and he is not giving up a goal in thirteen games.
Speaker 7: He is one.
Speaker 3: He's beaten every record along the way. There's only one
Speaker 3: record left that he hasn't broken in the history of
Speaker 3: English football, which is old as hell. He is setting records,
Speaker 3: so it's getting pretty serious. We've created a lot of
Speaker 3: claric fans in Cincinnati, Ohio, which is really cool. We're
Speaker 3: getting a lot bigger ratings and numbers from the Ohio region,
Speaker 3: so it's been really fun.
Speaker 2: Okay, do you have a game plan. Let's say he
Speaker 2: doesn't give up a goal.
Speaker 7: I'll do it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm if he does that, which is insane.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's twelve thirteen games left. If he does it,
Speaker 3: it's insane enough and respectable enough that I will absolutely
Speaker 3: follow through and I'll go out there. Who knows they
Speaker 3: even want me. I don't even know. I haven't talked
Speaker 3: to him, but I'm in shape. I go play.
Speaker 2: But are you contractually You're not obligated to the Texans?
Speaker 2: There anybody?
Speaker 7: No? No, I don't even know how.
Speaker 3: I didn't even think that far ahead.
Speaker 7: How do you unretired? Is there? I never filed retirement PaperWorks?
Speaker 7: Does that mean I have to if I have to
Speaker 7: file paperwork to get.
Speaker 2: Back in, I don't. I don't know if they actually
Speaker 2: make you file retirement papers.
Speaker 7: I didn't, So no you don't. Yeah, damn, Yeah, what
Speaker 7: would you do? I mean, I mean, I'm technically I
Speaker 7: would assume I'm a free agent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to work on the Yeah.
Speaker 7: No, we're getting closer. It's it couldn't.
Speaker 3: He said they have two penalties in one game, which
Speaker 3: was insane. Our other defender, CJ. Egan Riley, he's a
Speaker 3: massive Bengals fan. So I'm I'm going to reach out
Speaker 3: to the Bengals here and I gotta.
Speaker 7: At least get these guys some gear. You know.
Speaker 3: I'll reach out to Burrow and see if you'll sign
Speaker 3: the jersey form because they're actual big fans, which I
Speaker 3: don't understand that.
Speaker 2: How did that happen?
Speaker 7: I don't know. I'm gonna ask him.
Speaker 3: I'm going over there a couple of weeks and I said,
Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna sit down and we're gonna talk
Speaker 3: through all this. How did how did the Bengals become
Speaker 3: the team? But our defense rests un Uh? Well, good
Speaker 3: luck with that. More importantly, good luck with the baby.
Speaker 3: And uh, it was great to talk to you. Thank you, buddy,
Speaker 3: Thank you. I'll let him know they can get work
Speaker 3: over here.
Speaker 2: Sorry, that's JJ Watt NFL Today on CBS Studio analyst
Speaker 2: and former Texans, Cardinals defensive end and maybe Cincinnati Bengal
Speaker 2: defensive end. Take a break. We'll come back after this.
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Speaker 2: Well, JJ Watt, that's interesting that come out of retirement.
Speaker 2: I don't think he's done a lot of homework on
Speaker 2: this because I don't know if he's contractually obligated to anybody,
Speaker 2: the Cardinals, the Texans. You know. Then we talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, filing your retirement papers, but I've talked to
Speaker 2: players who have retired. They didn't fill out any paperwork.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a real thing where you got
Speaker 2: to submit your retirement papers here. But maybe JJ coming
Speaker 2: out of retirement would be it'd be interesting. I don't
Speaker 2: know if his wife would be thrilled with that after
Speaker 2: having the second baby there coming up this summer.
Speaker 6: Yes, Paul, all right, I want to get into this
Speaker 6: for a second because you asked him a follow up, like,
Speaker 6: I know, it's a funny thing. If he loses the
Speaker 6: bet to the Burnley goalkeeper, he'll play for the Bengals haha.
Speaker 6: Social media fun bet mock headlines. He seemed to be
Speaker 6: lightly serious about it as paying off the bet. Towards
Speaker 6: the end of the conversation, how serious was he that
Speaker 6: he would honor this bet.
Speaker 4: I don't know, that's a big life decision to get
Speaker 4: back to the NFL.
Speaker 2: I think it might be a one day you show
Speaker 2: up and then you know, you retire.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: See, yeah, Like I think he would go through it
Speaker 5: because it's good like content and fun publicity kind of thing.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I mean, would he make the team.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he would.
Speaker 2: He's thirty five, a lot of injuries. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: think his wife would be like yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 2: great publicity for his soccer club, great publicity. But that
Speaker 2: might be one of those he shows up and does
Speaker 2: kind of his ceremonial workout with the Bengals. But hey,
Speaker 2: it's all about content. Dave in South Dakota, Good morning, Dave.
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 7: Hi?
Speaker 13: Dan Danettes you have a great show, by the way,
Speaker 13: five ten, two ten, And I wanted to talk about
Speaker 13: Toush push as an Eagles fan and now understand his bitterness.
Speaker 13: It was fifty eight years between championships, so it hurts
Speaker 13: a little. But before the Super Bowl, Kansas City fans,
Speaker 13: you know, everybody's talking about the refs and Kansas City
Speaker 13: getting the calls, and I said, look, beat them by ten.
Speaker 13: If you beat them by ten, you don't got to
Speaker 13: worry about the refs. And I feel the same way
Speaker 13: about the Tush push. If the Eagles get stopped at
Speaker 13: third and three or fourth and three, you don't got
Speaker 13: to worry about the Toush push. The Eagles are masterful
Speaker 13: at getting the first nine yards and then they get
Speaker 13: the last yard. That's how they win championships.
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thank you, Dave appreciate the compliment there. I
Speaker 2: don't see them getting rid of it. Maybe tweak it.
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills use it as well. They're not as successful.
Speaker 2: In fact, the most important push push in their history,
Speaker 2: they failed to get the one yard that they needed.
Speaker 2: Sean and Florida. I Sean, what's on your mind?
Speaker 9: Good morning? Dan danet six five one eight five. I mean,
Speaker 9: uh lost check of how old tall I was. Apparently,
Speaker 9: I just wanted to say, hid in about the toush push.
Speaker 9: I totally agree with you that that lineman behind him
Speaker 9: is kind of ridiculous. And uh, it seems that's probably
Speaker 9: that's my my five yearls who wanted to stay Hiyuh.
Speaker 9: She loves you guys just as much you're watching you
Speaker 9: or listening to you in the background since she was born.
Speaker 7: So uh.
Speaker 9: But yeah, it's like a rugby play and we won
Speaker 9: dash rugby. There's a reason that's not super popular sport,
Speaker 9: I would imagine, but it just doesn't feel like a
Speaker 9: football play when you got the whole scrum and everything
Speaker 9: going in like that.
Speaker 2: And I agree with you. I agree with you, Sean,
Speaker 2: thanks for the phone call, But I just don't think
Speaker 2: you can penalize one team for doing something so well.
Speaker 2: They're not breaking the rules, they're not getting away with
Speaker 2: anything illegal. You've allowed them to do this now unless
Speaker 2: you modify the rule, then they should be able to
Speaker 2: continue to do what they're doing. If you have injury
Speaker 2: data that can trump everything.
Speaker 5: Yes, when JJ Watt said, you asked him how would
Speaker 5: you defend it, and he said, you can't. There's not
Speaker 5: anything you could do one hundred times. You might stop
Speaker 5: them a couple of times, maybe if you get lucky.
Speaker 5: That was the first time that I thought to myself, mmm,
Speaker 5: maybe you should get rid of it. That was maybe
Speaker 5: the first time that I was like, hmm, maybe.
Speaker 4: Maybe we shouldn't do that anymore.
Speaker 8: Then.
Speaker 2: How successful was Tom Brady with the quarterback sneak in
Speaker 2: his career? Nobody said it's not fair. Tom is unbelievable
Speaker 2: with the quarterback sneak, and he was. He scored a
Speaker 2: lot of touchdowns. I'd love to know the success rate
Speaker 2: of Brady with the quarterback snake. And it was the
Speaker 2: Patriots and they were winning. I don't know if anybody
Speaker 2: said whatever they were doing that they wanted to outlaw that.
Speaker 13: Yes, Mark, I think the difference was Kevin fulk wasn't
Speaker 13: behind him pushing him into, you know, to a first
Speaker 13: down win the en zige.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, yeah, Paul, all right, I don't know if
Speaker 6: this is a rule or not. And I'm only being
Speaker 6: partially facetious. Could an NBA player lift up another NBA
Speaker 6: player to junk the basketball. Let's say the player is
Speaker 6: going and you assisted him as he jumped. I know
Speaker 6: it wouldn't happen, but would that be akin to what's
Speaker 6: going on with the tush push.
Speaker 7: Hard even picture happening. I don't think so, right.
Speaker 2: Like, can I lift you up to block a shot?
Speaker 2: Would that be legal? I don't think so.
Speaker 7: We're gonna check.
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