WEBVTT - Intimidation Game w/ Mouzam Makkar 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.800 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.200 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:32.720 Done done, yay. Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up And 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:36.000 As for you podcast. I am Kara Klink and I'm 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.960 Lisa Traeger and every week we talk about an episode 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:41.879 of SVU, the true crime it's based on, and we 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:46.120 have an amazing guest from the episode. So that's our show. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.920 And in the beginning we each a chat. So welcome, Cara. 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:50.400 What's up? Not much? 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.320 I mean, Lisa, last night you did my show in 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.560 Los Angeles and it was magical. I like, I was 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.560 literally like fangirling over Lisa. I was like, I know, 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:01.560 I've obviously seen you do stand up a million times, 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:03.520 but I haven't in a while because of pandemic. And 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.000 I was just like, you were you barely breathe in 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.839 between jokes and people are just laughing, laughing, laughing. 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.520 It was so fucking good. I know, it's not really 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:16.160 a great quality of mine. I think it's great. I's honest, 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:19.679 I'm just from the school. It's like, you know, you 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.200 learn the patterns from the people you first look up to, 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.360 and for me, it was like a tell in Nikki 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.640 and so it's like they don't shut up. You just 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:30.720 keep talking like you never shut up. Yeah, no breaks. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:32.520 I don't give them a chance to think if they 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.200 like me or not. I just keep it moving. Wait 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:40.320 a telling who else? Nicki Glazer? Yeah, she's pretty quick too. 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.120 And then I looked up to Hannibal Burres but obviously 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:47.240 not his cadence just as we're right, and Tom Sigora 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.840 on how to treat people. But yeah, those are my 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.640 four people that I feel like I learned the most 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.840 lessons from as a young comedian. Interesting, I didn't know 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.880 that about you and Nikki. Yeah, we did a show 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:04.200 in a Mexican rest staurant in Springfield, Missouri, and I 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:06.480 Megan was. I just thought she was the coolest person 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.400 in the whole fucking world. And she came and hang out, 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.480 hung out with us and gave us all the tidbits. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.280 And then I opened for her on New Year's and 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.080 I thought she was a queen and she just like 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.360 was really. She got me a gig to open for 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:19.760 Amy Schumer in a big theater once like she was 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:22.280 very nice to me as a young comedian. 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:24.760 That's so funny because I just met Nikki like in 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.480 New York and always just like felt like first I know, 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:29.320 she was way like ahead of me when I met her, 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:31.239 but I've always just felt like we were peers, even 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.760 though she is much more successful than I am. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.360 Well when you're all. But then when we visited New York, 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:38.480 she was at the same open mic as us. I mean, 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:40.120 that's the greatest thing about comedy. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:40.399 Yeh. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.880 Like I remember I was a few months in and 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.280 I went to see Hannibal at Zany's, paid to see him, 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:47.760 and then I went to an open mic and he 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:51.040 was there. Yeah. That's when I was like, okay, so 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:55.480 this is okay. You perform at paid headlining gigs and 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.839 then you have to keep like I learned very young, 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.280 like okay, five spots a night. Okay, great, You're not 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.720 good for any room. Like Hannibal had that lure like 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:08.240 Thanksgiving he performed in someone's laundry room, but knows how 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:08.720 to have fun. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:08.920 You know. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:10.679 I was at a jay Z Kanye concert and I 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:12.160 ran into him and he had a great seat, So 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:12.560 it's like. 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:16.400 Yeah, you gotta do that. No, that's really funny that 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.440 you say that, because a guy literally came out to 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.520 me after the show last night and I was, you know, 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.520 a couple of wines in and he was like he 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.600 was like this long haired he looked. He reminded me 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.079 of like Spacoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.560 He was like, so like, how do I do this? 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.480 And I was like, do what, like get on the 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.160 show and he was like, I was like, just send 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.000 me a clip. He's like no, but I mean like 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:37.680 before that, like how do I get the clip? And 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:38.880 I was like, oh, you want to know how to 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:39.880 do stand up comedy? 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:40.280 Okay. 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.080 I was like, here's what you do. You just got 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.440 to start hitting open mics. I told him about Comedy Bureau. 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.120 I was like, here's how you start. But like you're 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:48.760 not going to be on the show for a few years, 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:49.839 but I know you can do it. 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:51.560 Just start like doing this, you know. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:54.360 But it's just it is funny how you kind of learned, like, 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.360 oh wait, this one is like I know so many 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:58.040 people that were like yeah, I did my cone and 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.440 set and the next day I was serving salsa. Like 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.000 you don't just like blow up from being on TV. 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.320 One time, like, and that's not even like the main 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:06.320 you know, no. 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:08.480 And even that's why Hacks was so good when she's like, 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:11.160 even if you're fucking great, that's not enough. Even if 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.280 you're the best, you keep have to fucking clawing and 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.680 clawing and coming up with new hours and new material. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:18.359 I mean, yeah, never ends. But the greatest person I 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:22.680 met last night was you in high school. Another friend 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.880 of yours from high school was there and you two 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.560 were what is it salutations? What is the thing? I know? 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:32.400 Are superlatives from high school? Superlatives? We were biggest gossip. 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:37.400 I met the two biggest gossips from fucking Connecticut high school. 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:39.280 I don't know the name of my high school. High 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:42.360 school to me, the biggest well because he stood there 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:43.680 for a while and I was like, I don't know 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:45.359 who you are, I'm ignoring you. And then once I 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.160 found out, I was like, walk me to my car, 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:48.520 like I couldn't get enough. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.400 Yeah, Jed is the best and he listens to the pod, 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:55.719 so I'm really happy you guys got to meet. 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.599 Oh yeah, he was awesome and he loved That's why, 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:00.520 like these intros are becoming hard for me. I'm just 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.039 rewatching drag Race over and over and ready for conn 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.200 Oh Today's thirsty. Yes, okay, sorry, I got that a 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:10.719 new drag race. But yeah, he was really a fun time. 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:12.839 The show was packed. I mean it was like one 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.880 hundred and fifty people in an alley. I saw an 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:17.760 overweight pug. That was a blessing. 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:21.480 Oh my god, Candy Lawrence has the pug of the century. 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.000 Also a very funny comedian. 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.800 If you guys are interested in, uh yes, checking her out. 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.479 She's really great. But I love her and I love 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:32.000 her pug. His name's Buster Well, because it's also weird 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.719 when you see someone on the internet for years, like 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.760 you've been just I've been looking at this dog for months, right, 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:42.239 months and months. Suddenly he's there and he's like meeting 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:44.680 a celebrity. Yeah, he's like a ho ho. His body 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.919 shape is a ho ho. And we have bigger you know. 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.000 The show is obviously a huge success and it was 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.400 a great time and I can't wait to keep going back. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:57.760 And your producer she brought snacks a cooler of Oh 0:05:57.920 --> 0:05:59.080 my god, thank god. 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.800 I had no dinner and I eat all I drank 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.080 all this wine and I was like, I need to 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.279 eat something, and she had all these fucking snacks because 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.039 she works on TV sets and she just craft serviced 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.000 it up for us. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.080 I mean watching her put away the chair and the lights, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:14.719 I was like, what she why are you doing this? 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:19.000 She's like an incredible workhorse, and she just like loves 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:20.960 comedy and like loves doing the show and she's like 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:24.200 the best producer I could have ever had a comedy show. 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.560 Yes, that is she is incredible. I'm glad you guys 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:28.040 have each other. 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.400 Shout out to Shannon Cloud if anyone knows her. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:35.040 But outside of the show, we got a DM that yes, 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:36.440 it's huge. 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:38.000 A couple of weeks ago, I don't know if you 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.680 guys saw on our stories, we shared a story of 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:43.120 a listener was like, this is my good friend's dad. 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.960 He went hiking on this mountain. 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:46.880 I think it was in Utah and Nevad, I don't 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:50.120 actually remember, and he's gone missing, like they can't find him, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:51.600 And they did find him. 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:52.600 She ended up writing me. 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:54.760 Back and said we shared it on our stories and 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.279 then she wrote me and said we found him, and 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:57.320 I'm like, oh my god, I'm so happy. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.480 And then today he messaged us and said thank you. 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:02.680 So much for sharing. That means so much. If you 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.680 ever need anything for me, just ask. It was so sweet. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:08.760 I feel like I'm part of a beautiful humanitarian story 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.960 and all I did was share a story on our Instagram. 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.160 I'm glad he was found. Yeah, no one wants to 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:15.840 get lost hiking. Well, I feel like. 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:19.120 Those stories usually don't end up great. You know, Yeah, 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.560 I feel like there's usually a cravass involved. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:27.280 What's a crevass? You know, it's like a crevis. There 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:28.560 was a. 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.160 SNL sketch called Unfrozen cave Man Lawyer and he always 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.520 says I fell into a crevass. Sorry, it's like, oh 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.800 this guy anyway, Like, I feel like there's always some 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.080 like there's always like you fell into some small spot 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:39.920 where no one could find you and then you die. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.640 But let's get started because we have a super great 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:46.320 episode today and it's jam packed and we should just 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:46.920 jump right in. 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:55.680 Okay, So let's get into the episode. Intimidation Game, Season sixteen, 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.840 episode fourteen. It opens up on Benson with her therapist. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.880 I guess Kara was telling me there's some mixed emotions 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:04.559 about this guy. I could care less. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.720 People have asked us what our feelings are we don't 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:07.600 really have any. 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.920 I don't I could. He could die in a fire 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.680 or live forever and become syndicated. I don't care. I 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:15.120 just he's just. 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.240 An off show with the Therapist. You're not watching it, 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:19.000 I mean maybe. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:21.120 I mean, if I'm not watching organized crime, I don't 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.880 think the therapist show is going to get me. I would 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:29.400 watch that Uzu Adubo in treatment, I would maybe watch that. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.800 So she's wearing a collared professor, sexy chic look with 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.320 a tons of layers. We've learned the costume department just 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:41.040 really loves layers. And then Benson's basically like, oh my god, 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.920 lack of sleep and worrying about Noah and juggling my 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.120 own schedule, and then it's like dun, dunt done, It's 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:51.280 been amazing. So she loves it. She loves not sleeping 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:55.360 and being stressed out. But she's scared that, like you know, 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:59.000 the DNA with Noah's dad, Like could it affect Noah 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.920 because he's breaking tea pots and breaking shit and roughhousing 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.640 and you know what if he grows up being a 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:08.280 rapist as well? But it's like, you're not a rapist, 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.760 like I don't. Why would you be scared when your 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.600 dad's a rapist? Yeah, yeah, I understand the fear. Whatever, 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:18.720 but like it's also like you're an example of it 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:23.040 not affecting your character in a negative way, so whatever. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:26.760 But yeah, you're not a criminal. Your kid's not a criminal. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:29.240 He's just an annoying kid. Get over it. So show, 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.400 and then it cuts to the detectives on a day off. 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.000 They're hanging out casual I SE's in a hoodie, he's 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.760 playing video games, Rollin's and Creasy's there and it's a 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:43.360 giant like video game convention, and I was thinking this, 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:48.800 this is like a giant budget, Like that's hundreds of extras, TVs, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.320 video Like, was this at Javits Center? What the fuck? 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:53.680 Like, yeah, unless it was a New York comic con 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:55.840 and they just shot there, which also sounds like it 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.680 would be a nightmare. Then I think that, yeah, you're right, 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.920 it is like an extravagant and set up for the. 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:06.040 Show, very expensive. And then Careese is like, this is awesome. 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:10.560 This is better than comicn So okay. But Finn uses 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:12.760 a lot of video game lingos, so we learn that 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:14.960 he loves video games, and we know that he loves 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.040 them in real life as well, and Rollins is like 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:19.960 just a girl and she's like, I don't get it, 0:10:21.800 --> 0:10:26.199 which is rare because she loves MMA and football and gamble. 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:27.959 You'd think that she'd. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:29.800 Be like, oh, yeah, I have a high score in 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.400 fucking Halo or something. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:35.600 I was wondering which game you would mention. I was like, 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.960 I wonder what Kara's gonna say. My brain was working overtime, 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.960 I felt it. So they panned to young women talking 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.640 with lanyards around their necks. They have credentials, and they're 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:51.320 in a booth and then these like trash scumboys come 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.560 in and lean into the booth and they're like, go home. 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.560 Girls don't belong in gaming, get out of here. And 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:00.280 the girls like super sassy and she looks cool and 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:03.480 fun and she has a lot of comebacks. And they 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.720 say that her boss, Raina Punjabi, was only able to 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:11.000 make her feminazi game because she's a slut. And for me, 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:15.760 this might not be everyone's perspective obviously, but like, if 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.880 you fuck your way to the top, I still respect you. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:22.800 Like it's not easy, right, I mean, however you want. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.720 People are faking it till they make it in a 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.199 lot of different ways out there, you know, Yeah, like 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.880 sex should be any different. I think if you're in 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:34.520 a power position, you cannot demand sex for business things. 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.360 But if you're just if you're a slut on the go, 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:39.480 I think you can fuck your way to the top. 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.839 I'm okay with that. No, And I like this girl. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.880 I think this actress is like funny, like like I 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.040 don't know, I don't think that the like the people 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.959 that do sort of guest stars on the show are 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.640 always like super fun Like I don't know, she's really 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:53.240 funny when. 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:54.920 She's like, oh, do you want to kiss me? Oh? 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:56.760 Is that it? Like? I just think she's got a 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.320 good top comic timing. Oh yeah, she is great the 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.360 whole gam or gay everything. I mean, you're gonna lead 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.360 us into this, so I'm grateful, but it makes no 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.800 sense to me. I can't imagine in a million years, 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.679 like not being like, Okay, I'll play my game when 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.840 you play your game. I just can't imagine being so 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:16.680 upset that something's not for you, like when there's hundreds 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.920 of other games to choose from. But you know, we 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:25.080 all have hill to die on. Some people are like 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.120 for religious freedoms or like abortions for all. Then some 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.600 people are like, women shouldn't play video games, and that's 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:35.840 the biggest moment in their lives. It is a wild 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.640 hill to climb to the top of and then die of. Well, 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.840 it's also proof that your life's pretty chill if the 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.599 worst thing that happens to you is like a female Ghostbusters, 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.920 you know, or anything like. This is just so confusing 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:49.800 to me. But yeah, so they have a little scuffle, 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.440 the boys go away because she rebally slay them. And 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.520 so then we see a friend, Leslie from Glasgow man. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:01.439 He's the babysitter guy who dresses the graphic novelists. Yeah, 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.880 and so he's wearing a bow tie and a dumb hat, 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.360 but not a douchhat, like it's a nerd hat. It's 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.959 wild how they are able to balance what the hats 0:13:08.960 --> 0:13:12.319 portray when they are so annoying. I hate all these 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.560 hats in public if I see them. But I can't 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:18.880 believe he's back, And I'm curious, like, did they love 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:20.520 him so they wrote him in? But this is the 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.600 same season, I think, So it's like, was this already 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:27.560 this was this pre planned reoccurring or were they like, 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.880 we got to get Leslie back here, but I love him, 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:34.679 and so basically he says the trail created a lot 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:38.120 of buzz. So they have a new video game that 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:41.160 is based on Glasgow Man, and he said that the 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.000 developers are going to make it either way, so might 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:44.920 as well make some cash. But the cops are kind 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.439 of like but hurt about it, and Rollin's in a 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.680 perfect messy Bun is skeptical about virtual reality. She's just 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.600 confused by everything. She's like, why am I here? So 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.120 then they are like panning to a public restroom and 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.680 I get the sense that something not good's about to happen, 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.120 but nobody can hear anything because it's so noisy on 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.600 the convention floor. And so the young woman from that 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:09.480 works for Reina Punjabi that was like in that scuffle, 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.480 she's getting attacked. So she's attacked by the two dudes 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.760 that said women shouldn't play games, and she's yelling stops up, stop, 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:19.720 and they're violently attacking her and she's fighting so hard, 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.640 but everyone's just going wild watching video games on a 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.240 big screen, so no one is helping her. And then 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:28.080 Leslie runs to them and goes something bad is happening 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.520 to in the bathroom, and Finn and Creasy don't care 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:36.440 which is it? You are police like it is so wild. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:41.760 So then Amanda is like, Okay, I guess I'll go. Well. 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.320 I feel like they maybe it's like playing Devil's Advocate 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:47.040 for them right now. I feel like it's like someone's 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.040 like there's a girl in trouble in the bathroom, like, oh, 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.080 she needs a tampon? Is that what these guys think 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.160 is happening? Like that he came running up to you 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:55.080 to tell you about a period emergency. 0:14:55.200 --> 0:14:57.480 But yeah, but Leslie would never do that. Leslie can 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.160 talk to someone else about Leslie. Leslie wouldn't have or 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:06.440 do that. I one time was eating fuh in Cleveland, 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.480 but I had just gone off a plane bleeding through 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:11.840 my tampon, and I asked the server, I go, can 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.200 you see if there's any women you work with that 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.160 have a tampon for me? He couldn't handle it. He 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:22.000 got so shy, he was so uncomfortable. And then the 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:25.440 woman like she came over and gave me tampons in 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.560 a little makeup bag and like snuck it around and 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.800 it just like really, uh threw a loop for these 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.840 in these young people's minds, like they couldn't. I'm like, listen, 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.239 I'm bleeding and I need this. Yeah, they got so uncomfortable. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:42.200 Love it, Lisa Trigger just fucking removing the stigmatization of 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.560 menstrual issues, one fuz server. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.800 At a time. Yeah. I might have even said this 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.400 before in another show, but yeah, that is a passion 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:52.720 of mine. I like to talk about bleeding through things 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.680 as often as possible, and if you see me do comedy, 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:00.840 it's a theme that runs through myset. It is wild 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.400 that we're supposed to like not talk about bleeding from 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:04.600 our pussy's constantly. 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.200 No, and we're supposed to like palm our tampon so 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:09.560 nobody sees them, and like everything has to be so 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:10.960 quiet about having a period. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.000 And it's like, yeah, Wolf had a funny joke about it. 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.120 She's like, the only technology with tampon's is they make 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.280 them smaller, because you know, we've just been so like 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:22.800 loud with taking our trombones to the bathroom with us, 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.080 and she does this like trombone act out whatever. I 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:27.760 think I just butchered her joke, but I haven't seen 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.760 her in years. Okay, so Rollin's you know, she gets it, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:36.600 so she's you know, going over there, and so she's 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:40.560 helping our girl and then ra the girl says, yeah, 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:44.240 they leveled up. So she's doing video game lingo to 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.320 describe this attack and she's bleeding and it's not good. 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.680 And it's the credits. Okay, they make us sad, and 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:51.880 then they go to the song. And so then we 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.360 come back to a busy Benson office. Everyone's getting the scoop, 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.680 Gevin the scoop. We find out our favorite girl's name 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:02.160 is Sarah Keller. She is twenty two and she works 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.480 for Rena, who's a game developer. And then Rollins calls 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.000 the convention march madness for gaming. So I'm glad. 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:13.720 It's like that's like a metaphor that only that doesn't 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.399 help anybody that doesn't know sports or male things. 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.960 No, because I think video game dorks might not know 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.240 about sports, and I don't know if sports know about 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.520 video But she's explaining it to Benson. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:27.960 Oh yeah, Like I guess Benson probably knows what march 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.800 madness is, of course, but like it's just funny. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:32.639 I think to be like, what did you want her 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:33.840 to say? Saie? 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:37.879 At Barney's we know Benson loves a brand. That's a 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:39.119 good one, thank you. 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.399 So she explains to Benson, who is confused, as she 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:45.439 rightfully should be, that men are mad that women are 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.680 in gaming, and Finn says that guys think that game 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.879 developers are gods and they're not ready for women to 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:58.200 be god. Okay, So Benson and Finn go in to 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:02.760 talk to Sarah and she describes them her attackers as 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:06.439 fi al and Finn explains it means failures at life, 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:10.760 which I kind of love. And then she describes them 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:13.199 as young, white, pale and skinny, and Finn is like, 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:17.320 that's eighty percent of the crowd, girl, And we get 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.480 the scoop here. They touched her breasts, they pushed her down, 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.760 and then she fought them off. So I think she 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.560 got like it was violent and she got attacked, but 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:28.520 I don't think there was like a you know, a 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.439 full full attack. I don't know how to describe this. 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.959 And so we learn about this thing called cobs Kobs, 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:40.399 which is killer be slaughtered, and they're a type of 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:44.320 video game person and they don't like that her boss 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:47.280 is making a game that's not the game that they like. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.480 It's just like I don't know. If you don't want 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.480 a big Mac, you can get the quarter pounder. I 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.560 don't understand this. Go to Del Taco. 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.760 If you don't even like burgers, go to a totally 0:18:57.760 --> 0:18:58.680 different restaurant. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.840 It is wild. So yeah, so Cobbs is like first 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.520 person shooter games and they hate games that are non violent, 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.479 and then she goes and they're stupid. I don't know whatever. 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:11.760 I hate how dismissed if I am of all this, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.000 but I am so the game long. I do love. 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.560 I do love Mario. I love Super Mario three. I 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.119 love that definitely not a Cobs. I mean that's not 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.080 a Mario is not murdering anyone except for Chupa Choops 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.520 or whatever. What are they called Koopa Troopers whatever. I 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.480 don't know, but this is my thing. I love the 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:32.359 little ghosts and I would get a ghost tattoo, but 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:34.359 I don't want people like this coming up to me 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.320 and being like, how well do you know Mario? And 0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.600 it's like I don't. I just like trademarked items on 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.960 my arm, but I really want the Mario ghost tat 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.159 But like I said, I'm just scared of people being like, 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:52.080 are you Mario enough I also love when Mario wore 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.800 a little raccoon suit in World seven. Oh yeah, when 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:57.760 he flies the raccoon tail. I love that. That's Mario three. 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.919 I think no, in World set that's like that tale 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:05.280 with the feather. But then in World seven there's another 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:08.680 outfit that he wears that's a full on, like brown, 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.919 little raccoon outfit that is at the feather. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.040 That's more than I know, Liza, I like, I fell 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.159 off after I fell off around Yoshi or something. 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:22.520 Okay, So we find out that this game launches Tuesday, 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:26.200 and so the people are getting crazy online and Rollins 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.200 is having a hard time going over the footage because 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.040 it looks she makes a joke that is so bad 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.640 and she said it's like George Costanza. She says, it's 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:37.280 like looking for a geek in a geek stack. And 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:41.600 I wonder if this is a Seinfeld callback about the 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.560 Jerk Store or not, but that's what it sounded like. 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:47.600 So Finn says there's more to this story. That all 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.120 of these nerds are all so mad because they think 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:54.560 Raina slept her way into the business and she's engaged 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.720 to a venture capitalist named Stephen Kaplan, so they don't 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.720 like that. She like, is with a guy for money 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:04.480 and he backed this game, and Rollins with a statement 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.879 I enjoy says just because her fiance has money, that 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.320 means she doesn't have talent, and Finn's like, I didn't 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.840 say that. I you know, I'm on her side. So 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:17.919 Benson asked the question if this is about Raina, like 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:21.320 why are we attacking Sarah Dundum? So they head off 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.600 to the Amazonian studios to talk to Raina. And that's 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:27.199 what the game is called. And Raina is walking, she's talking, 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.960 she's with Finn and Rollins, and she's wearing a Steve 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:33.920 Jobs style black turtleneck vibes but like fun hoops. So 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:38.359 she's business but loves successories. And she's just like, I 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.120 don't get why they're mad at the game. It's choose 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.240 your own adventure. You can choose war or piece, matriarchy 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.680 or patriarchy, environmental or industrial like chill like you could 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.560 even in the game. They hate you can be violent, 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:53.359 like it is so annoying. They don't even like that 0:21:53.400 --> 0:21:56.520 there's an option where you can just like plant corn 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:01.080 and chill out. So they ask if she's had any 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.320 threatening or fucked up messages or comments online, which is 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:06.600 the dumbest question I've ever seen on this show. She's 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:09.920 a woman that's trying to do anything, so yes, there 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.080 are mean things said to her on the internet for 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.200 no reason. She's like, I'm too busy to be pressed, 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:18.240 you know, and like in the words of RuPaul, She's 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.280 just like, what other people think about me is none 0:22:20.280 --> 0:22:22.520 of my business. So they launch in two days. Have 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:24.159 said this before, and they're going to say this eight 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:28.120 hundred more times. This launch on Tuesday is like, this 0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:30.040 is if you want to play a drinking game and 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.600 you haven't watched the episode yet. Every time they mentioned 0:22:32.640 --> 0:22:35.200 that the game launches Tuesday, take a shot. You will 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:39.080 be passed out pretty quickly. So Steven, the fiance, walks 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:42.120 up and he explains that they gave Sarah the week off, 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:43.960 but she wanted to come to work because it's such 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.440 an important time, and Steven tells him that he will 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.040 give them all the security tech info wel Raina works 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:54.040 on her career changing launch. So he's a great supportive guy, 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:55.800 and I think they really do like each other and 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.320 she's not using him for money, but hey, so then 0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:04.199 Benson still does not understand video games, and Careese is like, 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:07.160 don't tell Finn that. Why would finncare I just don't 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:09.560 get why fincares of Benson likes video games or not. 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.960 But anyways, so then he says, we Leslie has scoop 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:15.840 for us, and that's the bow tie babysitter guy. So 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:19.119 Caries has a weird, geled back look. It's like really 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:22.480 grease ball and I don't like it. So Leslie comes 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:25.960 down to help, and basically his scoop is he's on 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.280 the message boards. He's on all these video game things 0:23:28.640 --> 0:23:31.840 and he he caught some people talking about the attack, 0:23:31.920 --> 0:23:34.360 and these guys are like bragging on this reddit forum 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:38.040 about attacking her, and so they're like, Leslie, go trick 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.040 them and say you want more information, and he's like 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:41.840 no way, and then they threaten him. He's like, okay, 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:44.479 I'll do it. So he starts typing to them and 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:46.879 really like being like, yeah, that girl was such a bitch, 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.760 I dox this other girl. Like give me more scoop. 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.879 Let's meet up. So then Careese undercover in a trucker 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:55.840 hat and Converse is acting like a programmer and is 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.240 with Leslie and they're meeting the attackers outside to get 0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:00.760 the details of the crime and like her tits and 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.800 this is my who is going out of their way 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.400 to gossip. It's like the I mean, I like to gossip, 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.480 but this is so let's meet up in person to 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:12.720 talk shit is so weird. It makes no sense because 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.240 it's also not a long composed so basically, like you know, 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.080 the guys, they chat, they give details, but the conversation 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.320 is less than thirty seconds, and then the guys are like, Okay, 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.639 we good, Like, yeah, just wanted to hear about how 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:28.080 you touch that girls tits? We good? Is that why 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.320 I just said? It's like you took a train or 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.000 an uber, you walked miles in New York and like, 0:24:33.080 --> 0:24:35.479 I don't understand this. But then Careesi, of course, has 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.440 a fun little reveal. He's like, hey, I'm the police. 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:40.879 One tries to run away, but we know Finn is 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.199 there to grab him and say something sassy, and so 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:47.040 he says wrong move player, nice try no reset button 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:50.040 in the real world. And I feel like Finn has 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:53.080 the most scenes like this where he's just around the 0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:56.560 corner ready to snap someone, Like he's always there to 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:59.200 punch someone. I just feel like he's always the backup 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.399 that's there d to like hit somebody, Okay, So then 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.200 they go back to the precinct and it's the quickest 0:25:05.240 --> 0:25:09.560 lineup ever in the franchise history. I would say, like 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:12.119 Sarah's just like that guy. That guy got him fuck that, 0:25:12.320 --> 0:25:14.800 Like she just knows who they are, and she calls 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:18.000 one of them that slope Brow, son of a bitch 0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.320 number two. So that was fun as well. But I 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:24.040 think slope Brow is like rude, but they attacked her, 0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:25.720 so she could be as rude as she wants to be. 0:25:25.880 --> 0:25:27.159 I think it's like I'm playing somebody. 0:25:27.520 --> 0:25:34.640 Somebody has like kind of near underthal features, right, yes, yeah, rude, Yeah, 0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:35.280 Oh for sure. 0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:39.439 It's a read. It is a read. So then she 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.639 says she wants to keep things quiet and not make 0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.400 a huge deal about it. Dunt dunt on. Obviously there's 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:48.080 memes already, so the restco public, the memes are out 0:25:48.119 --> 0:25:52.200 and the guys are being treated like heroes, so everyone 0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:56.120 is just like, you know, this isn't fair. And then 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:59.320 this masked man makes a video that says, do not 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:03.600 go where you're not wanted, bitches. Those guys are sacrificial lambs, 0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:06.840 and there's gonna be payback. Sarah, You're a slut. Everyone's 0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.359 a slut. Everyone's a slut. Okay, we get it. But 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:11.960 the squad can't do anything with these threats because it's 0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.960 just a video on the internet. And then my favorite, 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:16.800 I love when they eat. I love when there's a 0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:19.240 lunch break Rollins has an egg roll in her hand, 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:24.199 and of course she doesn't understand video games. Again, it's like, 0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.679 I don't know you gamble. He plays video games. At 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:30.320 least he has his problems under control, bitch. Okay, So 0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.639 she just doesn't understand how he goes from work to 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.720 like shooting guns on a screen. And he explains, well, 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:38.359 there's no rules, there's no one pp, there's no barber, 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:40.840 there's no one telling him what to do, there's no 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.320 gray area. I get to just shoot people. And so 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:46.320 I like that he's not you know that he's doing 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.600 that and not just shooting people in his job. Finn 0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.400 is like on a live stream on his phone and 0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.520 it's a video of Raina doing an interview and a 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:59.879 white girl boss outfit, not like a white girl boss, 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:02.720 but like a white outfit that is a girl boss outfit, 0:27:03.200 --> 0:27:06.439 not a white power suit, a white power suit. 0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:13.560 Yeah, and I actually really related to the scene and 0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:16.239 the guy is like baiting her and she says, hey, like, 0:27:16.320 --> 0:27:18.560 I'm here to promote my game and you keep roping 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:19.919 me into a feminist debate. 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:23.040 And I feel like this happens to me when I do podcasts. 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.080 We're like, guys will just try to argue with me 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.920 about something, and I'm like, this isn't fair. I'm obviously 0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:31.120 going to argue. I'm passionate about these issues, but everyone 0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:32.840 else gets to come on and just shoot the shit 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:34.639 and be funny with you, and I have to like 0:27:35.160 --> 0:27:38.480 debate my like humanity and it really sucks. I go 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.680 on so many guy comedy podcasts and I always they 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.479 always try to like loop me into something and then 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:46.760 I speak my mind and then I get death threats 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.399 for like weeks and I so I really relate it 0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:52.159 to this where it's like, just because I have these 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:53.600 points of view doesn't mean you have to bring it 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.080 up all the time. When we're on a fucking funny 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:58.320 show and now I have to explain to you what 0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:02.400 rape is. It's like so annoying. Yeah. So, mid stream 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:05.760 of Raina's interview, though, the place gets raided by police. 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.040 They throw her to the ground, point guns at her, 0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:10.600 and then the cops see the stream and they're like 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:13.000 what And then I think this is where they would 0:28:13.000 --> 0:28:16.040 cut to commercial. Kara, you watched this with your Hulu 0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:18.920 with ads, so you can maybe confirm or deny that, yeah, 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:21.520 I think that, yeah, there's her getting swatted. 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.040 Is that's when you go out on commercial brand, That's 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.719 when I have to watch forty five minutes of bad ads. 0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:29.880 So we're at the scene of the crime. And if 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.760 you watch this live, this must have been so stressful 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.200 to be like, what happened? What happened? But Finn explains 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.760 that three separate numbers called nine to one one to 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:42.800 report a hostage situation and this is like a hoax, 0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:45.280 and the cops played into the hoax, and he's mad 0:28:45.280 --> 0:28:47.680 at the cops. But I don't I mean, if everyone 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:49.840 I don't know, I don't know, I don't know who's 0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.760 saw it. I'm on. But Rollins is in a trench 0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.960 coat that looks so fucking expensive, like it looks so 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:58.960 fucking good on her, and Raina is of course disheveled 0:28:58.960 --> 0:29:01.640 and pissed because she was attacked in her own home 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:05.240 with swat teams and guns. Okay. She says, they're trying 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:08.040 to humiliate me, and it worked. They just swatted me 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.360 in the middle of an interview. She's like, it's over, 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:13.320 and Stephen goes, it's not over, Like they keep sending 0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:15.720 you threatening messages and they want to see you on 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:17.880 your knees. She goes, I was on my knees, Like 0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:20.920 what do you want. He's like, the Reddit sub brand, 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:25.160 sub red red Chance, the red Chance. I don't know. 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:29.000 Everyone is like, they're like, it's not just online harassment. 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:30.640 She's like, I'm used to it. I'm used to it. 0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:34.160 I don't care, And so Raina says, it's not a 0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.000 big deal. I don't understand. It's like, of course it's 0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:40.160 a big deal. They knew your address and they swatted you. Like, 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.640 I don't know how she's so relaxed about this. She's like, 0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:46.080 I'll change my passwords and move to a new apartment. 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:47.280 What's the big deal. 0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:52.840 I think she's trying to like play, I don't know, tough, 0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:55.959 tough guy. You know, I did watch this episode with 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:59.440 my mother and had to explain dosing and swatting to her. 0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:02.920 That was tedious and not as fun as it sounds. 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.200 Well, I've this whole episode. I feel like Benson Rawlins 0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:09.360 and your mom are right on the same page. Fully 0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:13.440 so Steven, the loving fiance he is, is just trying 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:16.960 to plead with her, like please, can you not die? 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:21.000 And she goes, I only care about the launch. So 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:26.239 the nerds do say if the launch goes tomorrow, that 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.440 her raped and mutilated body will be on the front 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:33.600 page of every feminist blog. And it's like, just. 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.360 What, Jezebel is not going to put a picture of 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:40.920 a raped and mutilated body on any article, let alone 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:41.680 the front page. 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:45.760 Oh they would, They run on clicks the photo. Yes, 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.040 it's all about the clicks, Kara, I don't think people 0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:53.240 have morals anymore. Okay, So then the masked guy that 0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:56.800 keeps showing up and he says the game is derivative. 0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.000 Who cares it's bad? Who cares she used sex to 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.479 get where she is? Who cares? They must leave gaming 0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:04.520 or we will make them. It's just I do not 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:09.200 understand the psyche of these people on any level at all. 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.040 They're the same people that like write into advertisers to 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.360 cancel shows that say like you know, or the people 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:18.080 that are like women aren't funny, you know? 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.200 Like women shouldn't be in comedy, you know, like it's like, yeah, 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:23.480 feel free to not attend a female comedy show. 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:25.800 Feel free. They're also not as violent. I don't I 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:28.400 don't know about any comedy thing that's as crazy as 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.560 gamer games. Oh no, no, no, they're definitely not as violent. 0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.160 I think that that's just because most of this happens 0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.680 behind screens. So the violence you can just get away 0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:36.920 with saying whatever the fuck you want. 0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:41.160 Yeah. So they're all begging her to reconsider and like 0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.880 just postpone the event, and she goes, no, it's happening, 0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:47.560 and they're like, can we maybe do it, like tape 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.040 it and stream it later. She goes no, that means 0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.400 they'll win. It needs to be live. I'd rather be 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:57.160 a bitch than a coward. And then he's just like okay, 0:31:57.200 --> 0:32:01.760 but can you just maybe get She goes, no, no cops, 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.760 no dogs. I don't want any police presence. And it's 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:06.600 like you are making it really hard to be on 0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:11.160 your side, Like I don't understand, Like won't you won't 0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:13.680 tape it, you won't have cops there, you won't take 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.800 any precautions at all. I do know a comic we 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:20.120 both know her, but she got so many bomb threat 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:22.040 that she had to pay for her own security at 0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.760 every single show she did, and have her own bomb 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.160 sniffing dogs and they came out of her paycheck because 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:33.719 Republicans have problems. Again, it's like, it's just not about you. 0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:38.080 So after this like back and forth, back and forth, 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.400 she says, listen, I appreciate you have a job to do. 0:32:41.920 --> 0:32:45.600 I came down. I'm cooperating. You've officially warned me, and 0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:48.600 I accept all liability, but I do not want a 0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:53.760 visible police presence. And that's that. And so okay, and 0:32:53.840 --> 0:32:57.720 so Benson and I have the same point of view 0:32:57.760 --> 0:32:59.720 where we're like, well, okay, it's not fully about you. 0:32:59.760 --> 0:33:01.880 There's people at this launch, Like we have to protect 0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:04.320 all these other people that are coming. Like if you 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.560 if you want to take a responsibility for yourself, that's fine, 0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:09.640 but we need to help. And also everyone likes dogs, 0:33:09.640 --> 0:33:11.720 Like what's bad about having a bomb sniffing dog. No 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.440 one has seen a dog and been upset. Carreese straight 0:33:15.480 --> 0:33:17.840 up offers to pull favors to get the event shut 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:21.600 down for violations. And it's like your jail hair is showing, 0:33:21.680 --> 0:33:25.360 you know, Like we don't need you playing little games. 0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:29.600 Please follow the laws. You are a police officer. And 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:32.040 then Rollins is on the side of Rayna and says, 0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.520 but then the cyber bullies win, so no, we have 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.480 to like let her do it. Benson says, Okay, let's 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.960 just have a chill police presence, like we'll go, we 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.000 have enough money to cover this, we'll wear chill out 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.760 clothes and like just make sure shit's okay. So they're 0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.400 at this event, it's like popping. Lots of people are there. 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:51.120 Everyone's really excited for this game launch, and there's like 0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:53.040 a plan where they're like, oh, shall we see all 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.520 the credit cards for tickets? And Finn says a great 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:57.800 quote where he goes, anybody up to no good is 0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.320 not using a credit card. Yes, that put that on 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.640 a shirt I feel. I think about Teresa from Housewives 0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.000 of New Jersey here paying with her furniture and cash, 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:07.320 you know. 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.279 What I mean, for all her marble and onyx with 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:10.480 a stack of hundreds. 0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:15.080 Yeah. Yeah, nothing good happens with cash, baby, except tattoos. 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:17.479 I like to you know, but my shop now takes 0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.640 credit cards, which is like revolutionary. It's so nice not 0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:25.440 having to take hundreds of dollars out. Yeah. Oh, am, 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.120 I in a new wait list for a new tattoo. 0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:32.040 I am okay, So I can't stop Krees. He's with 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.960 the security team and he's insulting the quality of film, 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.400 and the security guy's like, all right, motherfucker, we're not 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.439 Steven Spielberg. We've had two hundred events a year here 0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:42.720 and there's no problems. We're good at our job. Stop 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:46.880 the motherfucking shadea. Okay. The presentation starts and it's about 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.200 like the game is about farming and building homes and 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.520 like to have people this upset about it is so funny. Okay. 0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.880 So she comes out, well, won't be funny soon, Okay. 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:58.960 So she comes out and like on brand, simple business, 0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.640 casual shakeout fit. Very Bethany Frankele and I don't think 0:35:02.680 --> 0:35:04.480 we agree on this, but to me, I think Bethany 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:07.439 Frankel is the best dressed housewife. But I mean she's 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.400 the top for me. Yeah, okay, good. Yeah. I have 0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.360 friends that try to argue and I'm like, no, we 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:15.040 don't have to like her in her slight. I think 0:35:15.080 --> 0:35:17.600 most of them dress badly, but she's tours the top 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:20.600 for me. For sure. Yeah, not her home decor. I 0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:24.640 would say I don't want red walls. But in terms 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:29.320 of outfits, Raina and Bethany are similar. So while she's presenting, 0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:32.520 there's red laser pointers popping up on her body and face, 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:35.799 not faces at all, Like, okay, there might you might 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:39.719 get shot in the head. Can you maybe sweat? It's 0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:43.239 so confusing, but the cops are all really stressed out, 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.919 so they're looking what the lasers are and basically it's 0:35:46.000 --> 0:35:48.440 just like a prank with like a bunch of the 0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:51.600 people just brought lasers and it's not violent lasers. And 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:53.600 she makes a joke about like, ah my mom's cat 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.799 likes laser pointers. But now you think it's okay, it's 0:35:56.800 --> 0:36:01.279 not okay. Blackout lights, turn out, everything is lighting. It's 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.279 just like really fucked up. And then like there's an 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:09.919 audio and it's like no social justice and gaming. So 0:36:10.000 --> 0:36:14.160 someone hacked onto this live board thing. People are rushing out. 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:18.400 They've lost Raina. In the pandemonium. Kriese's on the security footage. 0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:20.160 He sees her with a security guard in the back 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.120 hallway being dragged out the back exit. The squad runs. 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.640 They're trying to get her Carisy has a little stumble 0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.520 running in dress shoes, but then you know, gets the 0:36:28.560 --> 0:36:32.439 guard and then on a giant screen outside is live 0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:35.000 footage of Raina being tied up in the back of 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:37.799 a van and the masked man is saying game on. 0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:40.840 And then the fake security guard says, this was all 0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.399 done by this group called Acid Rain and he thought 0:36:44.400 --> 0:36:45.920 it was just going to be a chill prank. He 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:49.200 didn't realize it was a full on kidnapping. And they're like, 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.880 you're gonna go to jail by bitch and that's it. 0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:54.600 You guys know, Naomi k Pergin, I'm saying bye bitch 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:56.200 with her essence inside of me. 0:36:57.719 --> 0:36:59.680 Please look up her Bye Bitch song and buy it 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:04.000 as a tone. It's amazing, Yes, And then I says. 0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:06.600 See something, say something, which is a We talk about 0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.840 that a lot, and then they threaten him with murder chargers. 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.919 So he starts talking and he says he did see 0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.359 the van, and the news are like, the cops are 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:19.600 inside and this still happened. That's embarrassing. So the white 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.120 van they find out was stolen from a garage yesterday, 0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:25.280 but the security cameras went out so no one saw anything, 0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:27.720 and no one has seen this van on any bridges 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:29.879 or tunnel, so that means they're still in Manhattan, which 0:37:29.920 --> 0:37:33.120 I think is a good sign. And Careesy has a 0:37:33.200 --> 0:37:36.400 hit and they're off to like go on location. So 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.280 they find the van and it's outside of like a wood, 0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:42.719 sandy bricks, boulder type place. I don't know what this is. 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:47.360 I don't know, but there's a lot of different materials, 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:51.240 so many boulders in Manhattan. It could be anywhere. Yeah, 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.560 the van is empty, but there's a tiny dark hallway 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:56.600 and Finn and Rollins go in there with their team 0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:59.680 and it's an abandoned building and there's a calling car 0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:02.640 there and a mattress which does not make me happy, 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.760 and there's a blouse and a chair with ropes tied 0:38:05.800 --> 0:38:08.560 to it. And they left a video behind on a 0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:11.279 phone and the video is her begging and pleading and 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:14.319 crying and they're slapping her and taking her shirt off, 0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:17.879 and then it says level completed. So then we're in 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:23.480 this like messy bedroom. There's messy bookshelves, and Reina is 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:25.719 there and she's bloody and she's in a bra and 0:38:25.760 --> 0:38:30.000 she's with Logan Paul, one of the brothers who's you know, 0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.359 likes to pull pranks in Japanese suicide forests and beat 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:37.960 up NBA players for money. I don't know what the like. 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.920 Usually when we speak to the young actors from SVU, 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:43.239 we're like so inspired by them and we're like, the 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.080 future will be good. And then when you find it 0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:48.440 out about these Internet brothers, you're like, maybe gen Z 0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:53.600 has some problems, so these are like problematic YouTube boys. 0:38:54.360 --> 0:38:56.520 It was shocking to see his face in this. I 0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:59.239 don't did he audition, did they want him? I'm so 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.680 many questions, but he tells her to shut up, and 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:04.839 it's bad. And then there's a man with a coat 0:39:04.920 --> 0:39:07.840 on and it's like a furry lined hood, which like 0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:12.040 for video game rapists, it's just like funny to have 0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:17.319 a fur lined hood. But you know, maybe it was 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:19.799 on sale at Costco and his mom got it for him. 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:24.160 So they put masks on to make another video. And 0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:26.359 I know this This is like one of the Kelly 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.319 Who moments where you're like, this is bad and I 0:39:28.360 --> 0:39:30.680 know it's tragic, but your body is banging. I'm like, 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.440 oh my god, I know you're being attacked, but you 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:38.440 look great. Yeah, your abs are looking good. They're looking great, 0:39:38.880 --> 0:39:41.000 and the boyfriend's at the squad and he's like, we 0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:43.759 tried to tell her, We tried to tell her, and 0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:46.200 he's fucking pissed, and I'm with him, like I would 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.320 be annoyed. I know you're more worried, but it's just tough. 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:51.120 It's tough. You don't want to play a told you 0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:56.919 so game when someone's being attacked. But right, of course, no, 0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.799 nothing she did not. Yeah, so Carreese steal Benson in 0:40:00.840 --> 0:40:03.239 front of Steven, and Steven's like, wait, what's going on? 0:40:03.360 --> 0:40:06.120 And then they like shut the blinds so aggressively, and 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.680 it's like he's already worried, why are you shutting the blinds? 0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:13.440 Like you're really ruining this man's brain. Correese shows Benson 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.720 the video of a mass man and he's dragging her 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.560 around and throwing her and she's crying and this is 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.440 so sad. And the man start taking off her clothes 0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:25.520 and you know, nothing good's about to happen, and they're 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:28.760 like surrounding her and this is very upsetting, very great acting, 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:32.120 and a really graphic episode for SVO And we've seen 0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:34.280 a lot and this one is like hard to watch. 0:40:35.160 --> 0:40:37.680 So the next video is Rayna and she's bloody with 0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.239 messed up hair and in a T shirt with their 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.120 calling card on it, like it's it's like a grenade 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:47.280 with letters, and they make her do a forced statement 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:50.880 and she says something like I realize now that gaming 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.120 is no place for females, So all you bitches should 0:40:54.160 --> 0:40:56.920 get out now. You are not wanted and you are 0:40:56.960 --> 0:40:59.400 not safe. And I have a message for Stephen Kaplan. 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.719 I never left you, and I only slept with you 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.719 to back my game. I am a slut and I 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:08.919 am a liar. And then like I understand, they're making 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:10.319 her say and she has to say it, but like 0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:12.440 people know, she doesn't really mean it, so like I 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.480 don't get what the point of this all is. And 0:41:15.520 --> 0:41:19.080 then the tape is geotagged, so Rollin sees this, and 0:41:19.120 --> 0:41:21.560 that's like pretty weird, like why would they be like secret, 0:41:21.600 --> 0:41:23.400 secret secret, And then all of a sudden, like let 0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:25.880 us know where they are, so they think it's a trap, 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:29.400 and then they the house that is geotag belongs to 0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:32.319 a public art teacher and it's in Staten Island, and 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.000 so the squad heads out to Staten Island and it 0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:37.480 ends up being the mother of one of the gamer criminals, 0:41:37.840 --> 0:41:40.720 and her son's name is Anthony. He plays video games, 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.120 and they go to his room and it is the 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.520 set of the rape. So it's in this basement room. 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.759 The camera is still there and the guns safe is 0:41:48.840 --> 0:41:51.799 fully empty, and the mom is doing the classic he's 0:41:51.840 --> 0:41:55.360 a good boy, shy, you're making a mistake. No, no, 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:59.040 no sexual ascent. He would never, And they're like, your 0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.200 basement is full of it evidence and it is him 0:42:01.560 --> 0:42:03.560 and he's harassed her for weeks and this is the 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:07.040 account and she's like, no, he would never, he would never. 0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:10.759 My little baby, Uh yeah, don't do this with Oscar. Well, 0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:15.200 hopefully Oscar will behave but it's always it is always 0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:19.719 crazy that mom's Even Derek Chauvin's mom just like did 0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:21.799 a statement where she's like, he's a really good guy. 0:42:21.880 --> 0:42:24.200 It's like we watched a video of him murder a 0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:27.800 person slowly. So I know you're blinded by motherhood, like 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:31.440 Jennifer Lopez says in Hustlers and motherhood is a mental disease, 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:35.680 but you gotta know your son's suck. Listen. 0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:38.400 When I was growing up, like if the school called, 0:42:38.480 --> 0:42:40.239 my parents were like, what did you do. They were 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:42.879 never like you've got the wrong kid, like they were 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:44.040 constantly like that was. 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:44.600 How I grew up. 0:42:44.600 --> 0:42:47.400 So I'm I'm usually like Rosie, what have you done? 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.000 You know, like I'm not like I'm not like she's 0:42:50.000 --> 0:42:52.040 an angel, Like I don't think it's gonna be a 0:42:52.040 --> 0:42:54.840 problem for me to blame my child. 0:42:55.680 --> 0:42:58.920 So CARIESI is trying to like convince the mother to 0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:04.560 help them find them because they're violent criminals, even though 0:43:04.640 --> 0:43:07.680 she's like delusional. Sochrisey's connecting with her like I'm a 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:12.760 stann Island boy. I grew up right around you. And 0:43:12.840 --> 0:43:14.880 we find out that like her husband died and like 0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:18.040 after his dad died, you know, like whatever, he's been 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:21.480 fucked in the head. So now she's like even if 0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:24.040 he wrote the messages, he wouldn't rape, Like this isn't 0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:28.040 what he is and and it's like, okay, but he 0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:30.399 did stand and watch a live stream of a rape 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:33.920 happen and helped the technology, like he got the bluetooth 0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:38.440 going to make this happen. So so then something made 0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:40.600 me want to look up this mother, and I'm glad 0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:44.880 I did. Her name is Juliet Printer. That's a funny 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.760 last name. But she yeah, she doesn't have a photo 0:43:47.800 --> 0:43:50.759 for our IMDb, so if her representatives are listening to this, 0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:53.239 get a fucking photo up for your client. But she 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:59.400 has fourteen credits, and she has been in some episodes 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:03.920 of SBUs. She was in Perfect Tortured and Vulnerable. Wow. Yeah, 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:07.080 and she's in two episodes of Veep. And then obviously 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.000 then I looked up our favorite girl from up top 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:11.040 that worked in the booth, that works for Reina that 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.239 you really enjoyed her acting, and I looked her up 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:17.400 and she's now filming Life and Beth right now, and 0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.479 she's a regular. So that's like the new Amy Schumer show. 0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:22.160 So maybe she's gonna blow up and be a huge 0:44:22.480 --> 0:44:25.000 going to know about that? Cool? Yeah, filling you in. 0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.239 So we really like her. She's had credit, she's been working, 0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:30.680 but hopefully she blows up after this new show. Hopefully 0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:33.560 it's a good time. Also, it's weird saying I hope 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:36.000 someone blows up while we're listening to this episode in 0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:39.480 particular of just like all of this chaos and violence. 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:43.080 So then he basically is as blunt as he can 0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:44.680 be with this mother and says, we need to end 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.839 this peacefully, lady, And that's I think a threat of 0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:49.799 just like if you don't help us, like we will 0:44:49.800 --> 0:44:53.279 shoot your child, right, And so she spills the tea 0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:55.719 on like the guns and what's happening and where everyone is. 0:44:56.200 --> 0:44:59.200 So Benson's like, what's next, what's next? What's next? Finn 0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:02.440 has the scoop and he says, well, next in this 0:45:02.520 --> 0:45:05.560 game is killer be slaughtered. So shit's about to go bad. 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:11.479 And then Raina calls them and they so basically Raina says, 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.640 they have me in a garage. I think they're going 0:45:13.680 --> 0:45:15.480 to kill me. Please help me, Please help me, And 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:18.240 there's a gun pointed to her head and someone's holding 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:20.719 the phone to her face, so it means that her 0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:23.359 arms are tied up and busy if she can't even 0:45:23.400 --> 0:45:26.560 hold her own phone. So Finn does warn the Squat. 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:28.360 He goes, this could be a cop ambush and a 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.600 trap and like, we have to be careful, but we 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.839 got to get our girls, so let's go. So they 0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:35.760 go to a factory warehouse building and the swats starts 0:45:35.760 --> 0:45:38.440 screaming she's got a gun, and they go in and 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:42.560 she is taped up to like a sauce style contraption 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:46.040 like a hell thing where her hands are tied to 0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:50.560 the gun and so she can't do anything. But like 0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:53.360 to the untrained swat eye, it looks like she's holding 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:56.080 this gun but she's crying and she can't do anything 0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:59.640 about it. And there's a speaker that plays noises of gunfire, 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:01.840 which I think would have made them like, I'll shoot 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:05.560 her dead, but thank Goddess, View is there saying hold fire, 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:09.480 hold fire, hold fire. So it is so fucked up. 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.840 But they were gonna get her killed while she like 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:15.200 had the gun tape for her. It's like really scary 0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:19.560 to think about. So then they feel like everyone is 0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:21.480 still in there. I don't even know I don't even 0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.000 remember how, but Christian Rollins are on the roof doing 0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:28.680 choreography and then some gamers on the roof shoot at them, 0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:31.359 and the fur coat lined guy is like, I never 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:33.279 wanted this to get this far, and Rollins is like, 0:46:33.320 --> 0:46:36.200 shut your fucking mouth, and he goes, no, I geotagged 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.279 for my mom's house so you can find me, like 0:46:38.960 --> 0:46:42.600 h and she doesn't care. It's too little, too late, 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:45.120 my friend, too little too late. Yeah, he's acting like 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:46.640 he just got roped in to like. 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:48.640 Do the tech, but like he didn't think that these 0:46:48.640 --> 0:46:50.399 guys were going to go through on any of that shit. 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.400 But yeah, this is a giant operation. Like you shut 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:56.320 down a huge launch at an event center. Yeah, multiple 0:46:56.360 --> 0:46:59.600 stolen vans, multiple locations, like you're going to jail. 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:03.640 Yeah, planted a security guard, like you were able to 0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:06.840 like hack into the mainframe and live stream your own kidnapping. 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:10.279 Like it's a lot. Sochriesy has like a showdown with 0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:13.319 one of the other gamers and shoots him, not dead, 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:17.160 but shoots him and is like, see, this is real life. 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.560 This isn't like a video game. And then the Logan 0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:25.440 boy comes out, not Oscar Paul Paul or what is it, Jake, Jake. 0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.719 Logan Paul like Logan, his brother Jake is equally bad, 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:29.520 but this is Logan. 0:47:31.200 --> 0:47:33.760 He there's like he hags out with some porn stars 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.200 that I'm a fan of, and I'm like, yeah, I 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:39.480 don't like this, okay, But for his birth this is 0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:41.600 kind of cool. For his friend's birthday, he got his 0:47:41.640 --> 0:47:43.799 favorite porn star to come meet him, and now they've 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:47.240 been dating for like over a year. Oh cute. Yeah, 0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:49.120 So I don't know, I don't know if this is 0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:52.560 good or bad. But they're all young and not and 0:47:54.000 --> 0:47:57.480 so this logo, so Paul, God, what's this? So logan 0:47:57.600 --> 0:48:03.120 Paul comes out with the gun and says, actually, video 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:08.359 games are the same as life. Okay, okay, buddy. So 0:48:08.440 --> 0:48:12.640 Carisy starts talking. I mean, I did spend over five 0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:15.440 hundred dollars on Simpson's tapped out and then I had 0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:18.600 to like close my account, and so I understand how 0:48:18.600 --> 0:48:23.000 the lines can blur. I don't want to be fully judgmental, 0:48:23.160 --> 0:48:26.600 but I did build a whole city that looks beautiful. Yeah, 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:27.279 but then did you. 0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:30.879 Like kidnap Matt Groening and say, like make the game 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:31.600 do what I want? 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:34.960 I mean, like very psychotic when he's going on, but 0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:41.560 we should we should start writing that script. So Carries 0:48:41.760 --> 0:48:45.440 starts talking and he's like, don't talk and prepare to 0:48:45.440 --> 0:48:49.399 be slaughtered. But he sees Rollins and is like, drop 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:51.879 the gun to Rollins. So Rowlins has to drop the gun. 0:48:52.000 --> 0:48:55.640 Caresy doesn't have a gun, and the the guy with 0:48:55.680 --> 0:48:58.279 the gun goes on a long speech you know, rain 0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:00.920 as a skink and a whore, and the guy on 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:03.640 the ground, who's already been shot, calls Rollin's a bitch, 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.680 and it's like aren't you bleeding? Like how are you 0:49:06.719 --> 0:49:10.439 still having time to call women bitches? So Finn comes 0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:13.040 up from behind and says like drop the gun, and 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:17.000 then you know, Logan also has moments. There's a back 0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:19.120 and forth like Finn's like it's not a game, yes 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.680 it is, blah blah blah. So then the guy tries 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.240 to do a spin move to kill Finn, but Finn 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:25.959 shot the shit out of him and is like, fuck 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:30.760 you, You're dead, so dead to them all Wendy Williams' style. 0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:35.320 Finn explains he knows the difference between video games and reality, 0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:41.000 and those guys didn't thank you, Finn. So Benson now 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:43.880 says that he has to be an administrative duty for 0:49:43.920 --> 0:49:45.960 a few days. But keep your gun, dude, it was 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.759 a clean ass shot. You're good, Like, enjoy a couple 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:51.560 days off. You're fine. She pats him on the shoulder 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:53.880 and tells him to go home. Rollins is now with 0:49:54.000 --> 0:49:58.040 Raina and Steven at the house at their apartment and 0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:00.919 one of the video gamers just took a plea deal. 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:03.000 The other one's going to trial, so now she has 0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:06.120 to testify, but Rollin says, she has like a lot 0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:08.960 of time, don't worry. But it's like so traumatizing to like, 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:12.400 since we saw everything she went through in such graphic detail, 0:50:12.880 --> 0:50:14.799 it is like hard to imagine her having to go 0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:18.880 on trial. And she's so sad and traumatized. She's like 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:22.960 such a good actress. And she says, women and gaming, 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:26.799 what did I expect? And she starts to cry and 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:29.200 she says whatever, I'm out and Rollin says, no, no, 0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.600 if you give up, they'd win, and she goes, no, 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:36.319 they already did. And it's like Rollin's this isn't the 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:40.680 time to push her into making video games. I'm sorry. 0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:43.279 She was just like gang raped and beaten the shit 0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:45.319 out of So can you not like give her a 0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:49.480 pep talk to get back to work? And yeah, and 0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:54.680 then that's Dick Wolf. And honestly, this was a graphic 0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:59.719 Wild Chase episode, and I really am curious to know 0:50:59.719 --> 0:51:01.640 about the real information. 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:03.880 Kara Well, I was going to say, I feel like 0:51:03.920 --> 0:51:07.600 this is really graphic episode and very scary, and I 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:09.360 remember that from when I watched it originally. 0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:13.360 But I do think that it kind of conveys the sentiment. 0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:15.480 That is online towards women, and we'll get into that 0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:16.560 with this next part. 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.040 And I'm very passionate about this because I lost a 0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:21.319 friend to Gamergate. Like I had a friend who was 0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:25.520 so into Gamergate, causing chaos everywhere he went, like started 0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:27.759 posting videos where we're like, what's going on with him? 0:51:27.800 --> 0:51:29.400 But you want to see the best in your friend, 0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:32.839 and so I kept kind of forgiving and seeing and 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:36.279 then he became a full on racist who legit was like, 0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:38.560 I don't get what's wrong with the white supremacist, Like, 0:51:38.719 --> 0:51:41.000 we cut him out. We uninvited him from Thanksgiving like 0:51:41.080 --> 0:51:44.399 years ago, wow, like twenty sixteen. We cut him out 0:51:44.400 --> 0:51:46.920 of our lives because he became a full blown, like racist. 0:51:47.280 --> 0:51:49.280 Well that's kind of when a lot of things happened 0:51:49.320 --> 0:51:52.120 for people. I didn't know that about your friend. That's nuts. 0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.120 Tell me more as I get into the real stuff 0:51:55.280 --> 0:52:10.799 when we come back. Okay, let's get into hashtag gamer gate. 0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:16.120 Gamergate was basically a clusterfuck even within itself, like it 0:52:16.160 --> 0:52:18.799 was supposed to be this big movement, but then there 0:52:18.840 --> 0:52:22.719 was never any official mission, statement or leadership of any kind, 0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:25.360 Like they never had a manifesto, they never there was 0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:28.719 just nothing that ever defined it specifically, and so it 0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:31.160 just evolved into like a culture war on the Internet, 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:33.680 and it's basically like a microcosm of the whole like 0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:37.400 alt right versus like leftysjws shit that blew up in 0:52:37.400 --> 0:52:40.640 twenty sixteen around the time that your friend revealed himself 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:45.080 to be of one side, and like, I think that 0:52:45.320 --> 0:52:48.960 argument is still happening, raging on message boards and shit 0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:49.640 right now. 0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:51.759 That this was kind of like I think around when 0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:52.320 it started. 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:57.040 But essentially the part of gamergate that people might think 0:52:57.120 --> 0:53:00.680 was like legitimate is that guys, which I don't think, 0:53:00.719 --> 0:53:03.440 but I'm just saying, like this was like the nicer 0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:07.120 version of gamer gate, which is that they suspected unethical 0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:12.240 collusion between the press and feminists and progressives and social critics. 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:16.000 Like so they were like thinking that women gamers and 0:53:16.040 --> 0:53:19.640 developers were like sleeping with press or like figuring out 0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:22.520 ways to collude to get like more favorable treatment. So 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:26.160 it started out as an ethics in gaming thing that 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:28.680 was like the crux of it, but it just never 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.279 was that really because all these guys glombed onto it 0:53:31.360 --> 0:53:34.040 and it became like all these shittheads who just wanted 0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:37.040 to like launch smear campaigns and online harassment of women 0:53:37.320 --> 0:53:39.080 in gaming because they just didn't like the idea of 0:53:39.120 --> 0:53:41.879 any progressive ideals living in the gaming space at all, 0:53:42.360 --> 0:53:44.880 Like because there were no leaders and there was no 0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:48.360 real like succinct messaging. The whole thing was like the 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:50.600 movement was like a clusterfuck from the beginning, just like 0:53:50.680 --> 0:53:54.360 all over the place, and ended up being becoming defined 0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:57.960 by the harassment of women. So all these guys gathered 0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:01.880 and communicated on like four chan, in at relay chat rooms, Twitter, 0:54:01.920 --> 0:54:07.000 and Reddit. Eventually four chan bands talking about about gamer gate, 0:54:07.040 --> 0:54:09.360 and that's when eight chan develops, which eight chan is 0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:14.319 now called eight kun or kun eight kuhn and is 0:54:14.400 --> 0:54:17.680 just like a full neo Nazi racist like Wonderland on 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:21.560 the Internet. The gamer gate term comes from this actor 0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:22.640 Adam Baldwin. 0:54:23.360 --> 0:54:24.400 I don't really know who he is. 0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:26.200 He's been in a bunch of stuff, Like he was 0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:29.160 in Firefly, he was in a show called Chuck. I'm 0:54:29.200 --> 0:54:31.080 sure you're all gonna DM me and go. He was 0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:33.239 so and So's father in this movie. I don't know 0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:35.799 who he is. I don't really think I've seen him 0:54:35.800 --> 0:54:36.920 in anything, but I think he was in like Full 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:39.520 Metal jacket like old movies, and then he's been like 0:54:39.560 --> 0:54:43.280 in some newer stuff, and he thought about it as 0:54:43.320 --> 0:54:48.319 like corruption in gaming. You know that journalists were you know, 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:52.560 taking like bribes or person having personal relationships and stuff 0:54:52.600 --> 0:54:55.239 that influence what they covered in the gaming industry. So 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:57.839 he is the one that coined the term gamer gate. 0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:00.759 But he also endorsed Ted Cruz in twenty six So 0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:02.560 that tells us everything we need to know. I think. 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:05.560 Let me get to like how it really went down. 0:55:05.880 --> 0:55:08.359 So it started in twenty thirteen when Zoe Quinn, who 0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:11.680 was an indie game developer, released Depression Quest, which is 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:14.960 a text focused game designed to convey the experience of 0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:18.120 depression through all these fictional scenarios and it was based 0:55:18.120 --> 0:55:20.319 on their own experience with the illness. So it was 0:55:20.360 --> 0:55:24.320 really well reviewed by gaming media. But these fucking loser 0:55:24.400 --> 0:55:26.440 in cells in the gaming world didn't like that it 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:29.320 wasn't a violent skill based game exactly like what happens 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.560 in this episode. They just don't like that it's not 0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:34.200 a shoot him up game, and they think it's bringing 0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.919 politics into gaming and they don't like that. So Zoe 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:40.480 was already getting a lot of shit in twenty thirteen 0:55:40.760 --> 0:55:44.120 just for developing this game. And then in twenty fourteen 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:48.120 we get to the Zoe Post, which is a post 0:55:48.239 --> 0:55:54.920 on a blog written by Zoe's ex boyfriend, Aaron Joni Jony. 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:56.520 It's one of those GJ situations. 0:55:56.560 --> 0:55:57.600 I don't really know how you say it, but in 0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:01.279 twenty fourteen, he wrote this long, detailed post about Zoe 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:04.520 and his relationship with them and their breakup and like 0:56:04.600 --> 0:56:10.479 he put in personal text emails chats, I think possibly no, 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:11.480 not nudes. 0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:12.480 But all bad. 0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:14.920 All this like personal shit he included in this post, 0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:18.280 and the post falsely accused Zoe of having a sexual 0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:21.560 relationship with this journalist named Nathan Grayson from Kataku, which 0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:24.919 is a you know how Gawker has like Jezebel, They've 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:28.000 got Jalopi, They've got like all these different lifestyle based 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:33.040 websites blogs. Kataku is their gaming one. Yes, exactly Dead's been. 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:36.720 Kataku is their gaming one. So he accused his ex 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:39.160 Zoe of having a sexual relationship with this journalist at 0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:43.120 Kataku so that he would review their game favorably. This 0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:45.200 is what a lot of people think gamergate is about. 0:56:45.239 --> 0:56:49.000 These two people colluding for good game reviews and it's 0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:52.680 wild because this guy, Aaron who posted the blog later 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:54.800 said that this was a typo and that he actually 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:57.480 had no proof of their relationship at all. And then 0:56:57.560 --> 0:57:00.799 number two, he never reviewed their game, like he never 0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:04.800 reviewed Depression Quests. So the entire backbone of Gamergate to 0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:07.600 me that if you're claiming it's about ethics and journalism 0:57:07.880 --> 0:57:13.120 there is completely dispelled. So Zoe gets docked their Tumblr, 0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:16.320 Skype and Dropbox gets hacked, their nudes get leaked, and 0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:19.600 of course there's like rape and death threats up the wazoo, 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:22.240 and they ended up fleeing their home for their safety. 0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:25.280 So not a great situation for Zoe. 0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:29.480 And I just want to clarify that currently Zoe identifies 0:57:29.480 --> 0:57:32.240 as non binary, but at the time of Gamergate, Zoe 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:34.880 identified as female, so that's why I am using the 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:37.960 correct pronouns now. But Zoe was targeted as a woman 0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:41.920 back in the day. Then another target who I believe 0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:46.480 that Raina Punjabi's character is based on Zoe. And this 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:49.400 next person a little bit because this is a feminist 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:52.600 media critic named Anita Sarkisian, and she was kind of 0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:57.080 the biggest face of Gamergate, like because she just was 0:57:57.160 --> 0:58:00.200 very vocal and received a lot of hate, but is 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:02.520 not actually a game developer herself. 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:04.320 So I think that's like it's an amalgamation of the two. 0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:08.720 So Anita had previously been the target of online harassment 0:58:08.720 --> 0:58:11.600 because she has this YouTube series called Tropes Versus Women, 0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:15.520 and she did this one called Tropes Versus Women in 0:58:15.600 --> 0:58:19.080 video Games that analyze sexist portrayals of women. She does 0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:20.800 it all about pop culture, but then she did one 0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:24.520 about video games. She also started a nonprofit called Feminist 0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:27.600 Frequency that makes a lot of content like videos, and 0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:32.040 they aim to quote analyze modern media's relationship to gender, race, 0:58:32.120 --> 0:58:35.600 and sexuality, and they advocate just treatment of all people 0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.080 offline and online. I'm sure even that description would make 0:58:38.120 --> 0:58:40.080 all these gamer losers go fucking nuts. 0:58:40.600 --> 0:58:43.320 Like I'm just sitting here thinking and maybe arcade is 0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:45.560 different than video games, but it's like do they hate 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:48.560 Miss pac Man, like you know, you just have to 0:58:48.600 --> 0:58:51.280 shoot people? Or you like, why aren't they mad at Madden? 0:58:51.400 --> 0:58:54.240 That's about football? Like you know what I mean. It's 0:58:54.280 --> 0:58:57.360 just like even there, it's obviously hatred towards women, but 0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:00.720 it's like their fake cover story isn't real because they're 0:59:00.760 --> 0:59:04.240 not mad at any sports games or the boxing or jaws. 0:59:04.320 --> 0:59:04.720 I don't know. 0:59:05.280 --> 0:59:07.440 Well, I think like what I in what I was reading, 0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:09.680 like what some people are saying is like these are 0:59:09.720 --> 0:59:12.440 people that feel marginalized, and they feel like gaming is 0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:14.160 a place where they're accepted and they. 0:59:14.080 --> 0:59:16.040 Get that little like they get that. 0:59:16.000 --> 0:59:18.840 Little dose of acceptance that they're looking for, and they 0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:23.440 feel like when like women and like people of color 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:26.120 and like other people come in, they're taking something away 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:27.800 from them in their space. 0:59:27.840 --> 0:59:32.200 But they keech bullshit. Well it's just silly because it's like, well, 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:35.520 don't you feel that they these other people also find 0:59:35.520 --> 0:59:37.960 a home in video games, Like it just seems exactly 0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:40.360 so strange to thank you, a white man in a 0:59:40.400 --> 0:59:43.880 country built for and by white men, feels out of place, 0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:46.720 But like this black woman who likes video games would 0:59:46.720 --> 0:59:48.840 not feel out of place and want refuge in a thing. 0:59:48.920 --> 0:59:51.240 Well, right, I mean you're describing white privilege. It's like 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:54.520 fully on display here. Yeah, Like it's it's terrible. These 0:59:54.560 --> 0:59:57.760 guys are not right. So, like, while the original goal 0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:01.240 I think was to sort of critique the representation of 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:04.120 women in pop culture, it ended up being about ending 1:00:04.160 --> 1:00:06.720 abuse in the games industry. That's like what the focus 1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:09.720 is now of feminist frequency, and a lot of her 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:11.240 videos have been viewed a million times. 1:00:11.240 --> 1:00:12.280 It's pretty successful. 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:14.800 So she did an episode of her show about the 1:00:14.840 --> 1:00:18.520 whole Zoe Quinn thing, and she received rape and death 1:00:18.520 --> 1:00:21.600 threats and private information about her was released, including her 1:00:21.600 --> 1:00:23.720 home address, and she also fled her home. 1:00:24.120 --> 1:00:28.320 And that's the thing because all these people, like maybe 1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:30.320 I'm combining them and they shouldn't be, but I'm assuming 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:33.200 they're just like right wing lunatics that want freedom and 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:36.880 it's all about your freedom, and yet with these actions 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:39.720 they try to like fuck up other people's freedom, you 1:00:39.800 --> 1:00:41.720 know what I mean, Because like the point of this 1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:44.040 is to make sure these women never speak again or 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:46.520 never want to go public or never do anything because 1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:48.720 they're put in danger and like all their private shits 1:00:48.720 --> 1:00:52.040 put out. So it's like they are constantly going against 1:00:52.120 --> 1:00:56.480 their ideals too, where like this feminist frequency is her 1:00:56.600 --> 1:00:59.120 safe space, and now you're mad at what she says, 1:00:59.160 --> 1:01:01.479 and now you're trying to her up for like being 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:04.920 her own self. It's like enraging. I'll shut up. 1:01:05.320 --> 1:01:07.520 No, no, no, you're you're exactly right, And it's like 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:10.360 that's basically what people started to realize that Gamergate became 1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:15.360 Gamergate became shutting down any opposition or any critique of 1:01:15.400 --> 1:01:20.080 the gaming industry in vis a vi women, you know, 1:01:20.440 --> 1:01:21.280 or minorities, or. 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:23.160 Like anything political, but mostly women. 1:01:23.960 --> 1:01:27.280 Actually, someone created a computer game called beat Up Anita 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:30.200 Sarkisian where you could just virtually beat up Anita with 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:33.960 your mouse, like so pretty fucked up. Anita had said, 1:01:34.480 --> 1:01:37.360 kind of like what we say all the time on 1:01:37.400 --> 1:01:39.760 this podcast, but she said, one of the most radical 1:01:39.800 --> 1:01:42.040 things you can do is to actually believe women when 1:01:42.040 --> 1:01:44.680 they talk about their experiences. The perpetrators do not see 1:01:44.720 --> 1:01:48.520 themselves as perpetrators at all. They see themselves as noble warriors. 1:01:48.840 --> 1:01:51.080 So that's like these guys, I think put themselves like, 1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:54.320 you know, they are video game characters in their own minds. 1:01:55.120 --> 1:01:57.600 Like one time, Anita was set to speak at Utah 1:01:57.680 --> 1:02:00.880 State University in October of twenty fourteen, like a few 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:03.760 months after Gamergate had really had started, and she had 1:02:03.800 --> 1:02:06.520 to cancel the whole thing because they were calling in 1:02:07.240 --> 1:02:09.400 bomb threats, death threats, saying there was going to be 1:02:09.440 --> 1:02:12.479 a mass murder, like comparing it to this mass murder 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.480 that happened in Montreal saying like, this is what we're 1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:16.320 going to do at this place, and they couldn't do 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:20.200 extra security at this venue because Utah's opened carry laws, 1:02:20.400 --> 1:02:23.120 so they just canceled the event. And this got a 1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:26.920 lot of media attention, and then the FBI started an investigation, 1:02:27.000 --> 1:02:29.960 which ultimately went nowhere because all these people are anonymous 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:33.480 and it's like very hard to track people down. Another 1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:37.520 victim of gamer Gate was Brianna Wu, an independent game 1:02:37.600 --> 1:02:40.640 developer and co founder of a video games studio called 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:44.720 Giant Space Cat. She was doxed on eight Chan as 1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:47.080 a retaliation for just a mocking gamer Gate. 1:02:47.160 --> 1:02:49.440 She wasn't even like because she was making games. I 1:02:49.440 --> 1:02:50.840 don't but I had something to do with that. 1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:55.360 But she mocked Gamergate and got fully docksed, rape and 1:02:55.480 --> 1:02:59.880 death threats as she contacted police fled her home, but 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:02.200 also said that she would not allow threats to intimidate 1:03:02.200 --> 1:03:05.000 her into silence, so she did offer a reward for 1:03:05.080 --> 1:03:08.120 information leading to conviction of people who were harassing her, 1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:10.720 and she set up a legal fund to help other 1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:15.240 game developers who had been harassed online. So very cool person, 1:03:15.320 --> 1:03:18.560 Brianna Wu, And like, I don't even know, I think 1:03:18.600 --> 1:03:20.720 one time I tried to go on four Chan, like 1:03:20.760 --> 1:03:23.439 I'm talking ten years ago, just to see what was up, 1:03:23.520 --> 1:03:27.439 and like I slowly backed out of the room. There's 1:03:27.480 --> 1:03:30.280 also Felicia Day, who is an actress and gamer that 1:03:30.440 --> 1:03:32.320 my husband kind of knows and some of my friends know, 1:03:32.440 --> 1:03:35.480 but I've I've heard of her more than anyone else 1:03:35.640 --> 1:03:38.800 in this story. She wrote a blog about her concerns 1:03:38.840 --> 1:03:41.480 over gamer Gate and her fear of retaliation if she 1:03:41.520 --> 1:03:44.200 spoke up against it, and almost immediately her home address, 1:03:44.240 --> 1:03:47.920 her phone number was posted online. She got harassing letters, 1:03:47.960 --> 1:03:51.400 phone calls. But then then like the actor Will Wheedon 1:03:51.440 --> 1:03:55.280 and an NFL player named Chris Klue also posted criticisms 1:03:55.320 --> 1:03:59.600 of gamer Gate and surprise, surprise, their phone numbers addresses 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:03.000 are no to be found. And Stephen Colbert talked about 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:04.920 why are men not being threatened by gamer Gate? 1:04:05.000 --> 1:04:06.520 It's like completely targeting women. 1:04:06.560 --> 1:04:08.840 So if it really is about ethics and journalism and 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:10.560 it's about all this other shit you claim, it's about 1:04:10.560 --> 1:04:12.680 why are when people critique it that are men, why 1:04:12.680 --> 1:04:16.720 are you not going after them? So it's insane and 1:04:17.840 --> 1:04:20.200 it's it was never about ethics. It's about shutting women up. 1:04:20.240 --> 1:04:24.200 Which we've said, and it's anyone who criticized the patriarchal, 1:04:24.280 --> 1:04:28.280 male dominated culture of gaming gets, you know, their lives ruined. 1:04:29.040 --> 1:04:30.919 One article I read, and I just want to mention 1:04:30.960 --> 1:04:33.960 this said, these threats the women were receiving were quote, 1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:37.000 not just run of the mill internet nastiness. In many cases, 1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:39.920 these women received highly graphic, disturbing threats, the stuff of 1:04:40.040 --> 1:04:43.720 SVU episodes. So I like that somebody agreed with us, 1:04:43.720 --> 1:04:45.560 and then SVW was like, hell, yeah, we're gonna make 1:04:45.560 --> 1:04:46.320 an episode about it. 1:04:46.360 --> 1:04:48.840 And this is again just an assumption on my part, 1:04:48.880 --> 1:04:51.080 but I bet these are the same men that say 1:04:51.320 --> 1:04:53.439 I'm a good guy. Why am I getting friend Zone? 1:04:53.480 --> 1:04:55.720 What the fuck? I'm such a good guy? And girls 1:04:55.720 --> 1:04:58.480 who want to damy like, these are the guys. These 1:04:58.480 --> 1:05:02.400 are the guys. I think they're nice people. Yeah, these 1:05:02.480 --> 1:05:06.880 dumb bitches don't want to be my girlfriend. Fuck? Okay. 1:05:06.880 --> 1:05:10.320 So, according to the Entertainment Software Association, forty eight and 1:05:10.360 --> 1:05:12.480 this is this is actually this data is from about 1:05:12.520 --> 1:05:15.320 five or six years ago, from when gameror Gate was happening. 1:05:16.320 --> 1:05:18.800 But they say forty eight percent of game players in 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:23.360 the United States are women. Game developers are mostly male, 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:26.480 I mean, apparently there was a survey of game developers 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:28.760 in twenty fourteen that found only twenty one percent of 1:05:28.800 --> 1:05:33.800 the respondents identified as female, So almost half of gamers 1:05:33.840 --> 1:05:36.800 are women, you know, And it's just so insane to 1:05:36.840 --> 1:05:38.960 say no women in gaming. It's the same thing to 1:05:39.000 --> 1:05:40.960 me as when people go women aren't funny, and I'm like, 1:05:40.960 --> 1:05:44.120 but fifty percent of audiences are women, like going to 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:48.920 see comedy. Fifty percent of the world is women. So yeah, Eventually, 1:05:49.000 --> 1:05:52.000 like they there wasn't, you know, an FBI investigation, and 1:05:52.040 --> 1:05:54.920 I'm sure local authorities tried to jump in at some points, 1:05:54.960 --> 1:05:57.120 but it's very hard to prosecute these offenders that were 1:05:57.120 --> 1:06:01.440 all operating under pseudonyms on the internet. And then, yeah, 1:06:01.480 --> 1:06:03.840 like I said, eight chan became this gamer gate hub 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:08.080 eventually after four chan band discussion, and eight chan is 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:12.680 where QAnon lives no surprise here, it is where conspiracy 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:17.440 nutbags go to hang out and party. The whole gamer 1:06:17.480 --> 1:06:21.160 Gate debate obviously brought Nazis, Men's right activists and other 1:06:21.760 --> 1:06:26.680 losers out of the woodwork, and mainstream gaming critics and 1:06:26.760 --> 1:06:29.960 gamer gate supporters kind of like this actor at Adam Baldwin. 1:06:30.360 --> 1:06:33.440 They insist that the trolls are just a small vocal minority, 1:06:33.520 --> 1:06:35.520 that it's actually a very small group of people, but 1:06:35.560 --> 1:06:38.160 they're all very tech savvy, so they create these sock 1:06:38.200 --> 1:06:41.160 puppet accounts to appear like a larger group. It's kind 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:45.400 of like how I think during twenty sixteen election, when 1:06:45.400 --> 1:06:47.120 you would look under Trump and you would see all 1:06:47.120 --> 1:06:49.480 the peppet, you'd see all these bots and stuff, you 1:06:49.520 --> 1:06:51.680 thought that there were a lot more people supporting Trump 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:53.720 than I think actually do. 1:06:55.840 --> 1:06:56.000 So. 1:06:56.360 --> 1:06:58.800 Anita Sarkisian talks a lot about how women and men 1:06:58.840 --> 1:07:01.160 are attacked very different online in a lot of the 1:07:01.200 --> 1:07:03.880 ways that these websites, like even Twitter or Readit, whatever, 1:07:04.240 --> 1:07:06.600 the way that they're set up to deal with reporting, 1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:10.160 Like when you report someone's harassment, it's very focused towards 1:07:10.200 --> 1:07:10.960 the male experience. 1:07:11.000 --> 1:07:12.800 It's not focused towards the female experience. 1:07:12.880 --> 1:07:15.920 Like she says, men are usually embarrassed, it's an insult, 1:07:15.960 --> 1:07:18.480 it's a one time thing. When women are attacked, it's 1:07:18.560 --> 1:07:21.880 violent threats, it's sexual harassments, and it's sustained over time. 1:07:22.240 --> 1:07:24.440 So we can see that reporting on social media is 1:07:24.480 --> 1:07:27.640 created for the way men are harassed because users can 1:07:27.680 --> 1:07:30.760 send abusive comments to women and then get reported and 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:32.760 get taken down and they just set up new accounts 1:07:32.760 --> 1:07:35.600 and it's up to the person receiving the vitriol to 1:07:35.680 --> 1:07:38.920 keep blocking them, you know, like it's up to the women. 1:07:39.160 --> 1:07:42.520 Yeah, and they're you know when you do get fucked 1:07:42.560 --> 1:07:46.160 up shit written, Like the people that are in charge 1:07:46.160 --> 1:07:49.000 of deciding what is abusive and what is not are 1:07:49.240 --> 1:07:52.240 white tech boy nerds that were probably a part of 1:07:52.280 --> 1:07:56.680 gamer gate. But Marshabelski has a whole thing. There's like 1:07:57.520 --> 1:08:01.600 a pod documentary about Facebook and everything. But like Steph 1:08:01.640 --> 1:08:03.920 Tolov just posted it like it never ends where you 1:08:03.920 --> 1:08:07.080 can just like repost something horrific a man wrote to you, 1:08:07.160 --> 1:08:09.400 and wright men are trash and you will get in 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:11.920 trouble and taken off a site for a month, and 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:14.560 that is deemed abusive. Like if you repost something a 1:08:14.600 --> 1:08:18.000 man sends you that you will get in trouble. But 1:08:18.160 --> 1:08:21.000 so often when you write to people like race, like 1:08:21.160 --> 1:08:23.080 we have multiple friends who have been a part of 1:08:23.120 --> 1:08:26.600 this where they get like I'm gonna rape you. You 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:29.680 beat beat beat beep, and yeah the sits right back, 1:08:29.720 --> 1:08:32.680 so I'm going sorry, We've we've decided this isn't abusive, 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:35.920 and so anything towards white men you will get in trouble. 1:08:36.040 --> 1:08:39.479 Any thing that's like I will rape you. It's like, sorry, 1:08:39.560 --> 1:08:42.680 this doesn't work. But if you retweet the posts of 1:08:42.760 --> 1:08:45.519 someone threatening rape, you will then get banned. So it's like, 1:08:45.840 --> 1:08:48.720 not only are they building the sites for dudes, but 1:08:48.920 --> 1:08:51.200 like the people in charge of deciding what's abusive or 1:08:51.240 --> 1:08:56.960 not are also dudes who are probably abusive. Yeah. So oh. 1:08:56.960 --> 1:08:59.360 Anita also said women are still afraid to go to 1:08:59.400 --> 1:09:01.639 the police with stories of rape and abuse, and now 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:03.479 we're afraid to go to the police saying I got 1:09:03.479 --> 1:09:05.920 this death threat from email or Twitter because police will 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:08.519 look at you and say what's Twitter? She said, I've 1:09:08.520 --> 1:09:10.160 had a cop say to me, why don't you just 1:09:10.240 --> 1:09:12.320 quit your job? Why don't you just stop doing what 1:09:12.360 --> 1:09:15.880 you're doing? Like, which is you know, not surprising that 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:21.680 cops are not either with it or smart about their suggestions. 1:09:21.720 --> 1:09:25.200 Yeah, she should have been like, cool, give me your pension. Yeah, 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:27.200 I'll take your pension. I'm gonna need some time, I'm 1:09:27.200 --> 1:09:29.920 gonna need some money to get me started. Okay. 1:09:30.080 --> 1:09:33.919 So basically what Anita says is that game studios, developers 1:09:33.960 --> 1:09:36.679 and major publishers need to kind of speak out against 1:09:36.720 --> 1:09:39.320 this harassment of women and say that this behavior is unacceptable. 1:09:39.600 --> 1:09:43.200 And some brands have, like I believe EA Games and 1:09:43.240 --> 1:09:46.839 Stuff has said something, but like Blizzard, other game companies 1:09:46.880 --> 1:09:48.920 like haven't. And that was at the time of gamer Gate. 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:52.599 It's possible now they have, but a lot of places 1:09:52.640 --> 1:09:54.280 like that. That is kind of where it starts, is 1:09:54.320 --> 1:09:56.479 like just in the whole gaming culture being like, Okay, 1:09:56.479 --> 1:09:58.800 this isn't it, Like this thing against women is not it? 1:09:58.920 --> 1:10:02.639 Like why don't you have problems with like this character 1:10:02.680 --> 1:10:05.559 can't run fast enough, he doesn't have enough fireballs to shoot? 1:10:05.600 --> 1:10:08.360 Like these are gaming problems? Like stop? Who? Why do 1:10:08.400 --> 1:10:09.200 you care? Who plays? 1:10:09.200 --> 1:10:11.040 What? It's really I mean, what we've been saying the 1:10:11.080 --> 1:10:15.240 whole time. So that's basically the story of Gamergate. One 1:10:15.240 --> 1:10:17.320 good thing that came out of it was in twenty nineteen, 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:20.640 Anita founded the Game and Online Harassment Hotline, which is 1:10:20.680 --> 1:10:24.360 a free, nonprofit service for people that are being harassed 1:10:25.080 --> 1:10:29.120 in gaming or online. So that's Gameshotline dot org. And 1:10:29.680 --> 1:10:31.080 I'm going to talk a little bit more about what 1:10:31.120 --> 1:10:33.879 Anita does in our what was Sister peg jew segment, 1:10:33.960 --> 1:10:37.160 but that is Gamergate in a nutshell for now, Kara, 1:10:37.280 --> 1:10:37.559 I have. 1:10:37.520 --> 1:10:40.160 A reveal for you. You say you don't know who Adam 1:10:40.200 --> 1:10:40.840 Baldwin is. 1:10:41.160 --> 1:10:46.719 Oh god, he's CNSFU, lost reputation, Gonzel Delia Craigan gets 1:10:46.720 --> 1:10:50.679 in trouble for US allegedly killing a sex worker. Right, yes, 1:10:50.920 --> 1:10:54.679 And while he's being investigated, in comes Captain Stephen Harris 1:10:54.720 --> 1:10:58.479 for three episodes played by your man Adam Baldwin. 1:10:58.600 --> 1:11:01.920 Oh and he's like a dick, right is the next sucks? 1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:02.439 Yeah? 1:11:02.520 --> 1:11:05.000 Yeah, he's like an asshole that's like on yes, Oh 1:11:05.040 --> 1:11:07.479 my god. Okay, that makes sense. 1:11:07.520 --> 1:11:10.519 Okay, well, so they who started so as a button 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:12.720 on this episode, the guy who started Gamergate played a 1:11:12.760 --> 1:11:17.080 total dick in SVU, of course, and he's like a 1:11:17.120 --> 1:11:19.960 full libertarian, right wing kind of guy. 1:11:21.760 --> 1:11:24.400 Let's get him on the pod. Listen. I don't want 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:28.800 to talk to this bootleg Baldwin, but can't wait for 1:11:28.880 --> 1:11:31.400 everyone to listen to the interview we do have coming 1:11:31.479 --> 1:11:32.200 up next. 1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:44.519 Baby, Okay, let's get to our interview. We're so excited 1:11:44.520 --> 1:11:46.880 we got to talk to this person. She has been 1:11:47.040 --> 1:11:50.240 a regular cast member on ABC's The Fix, n NBC's 1:11:50.360 --> 1:11:54.160 Champions You might have seen her on Vampire Diaries Bones 1:11:54.280 --> 1:11:55.280 American Horror Story. 1:11:55.320 --> 1:11:56.759 I mean, she stays working. 1:11:57.120 --> 1:11:59.680 You might recognize her from SVU as Dara mclaonnie in 1:11:59.800 --> 1:12:02.519 more recent episodes, but in this today's episode, you know 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:03.960 her as Raina Punjabi. 1:12:04.240 --> 1:12:07.880 Check out our interview with Mausam Macar. It's exciting that 1:12:07.920 --> 1:12:10.200 you did amazing in your episode and then you were 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:12.720 asked back for many episodes and you were a fan 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:15.240 of the show. So since you were a fan, how 1:12:15.280 --> 1:12:17.400 did it feel when you first got booked or like 1:12:17.439 --> 1:12:21.040 the audition or any of that. I was very. 1:12:20.920 --> 1:12:25.160 Excited, obviously, and I think, I know, I. 1:12:25.080 --> 1:12:28.439 Know, this was the first show that I booked that 1:12:28.560 --> 1:12:31.320 I was a fan of, that a show that I 1:12:31.400 --> 1:12:34.200 actively watched everything else I had done. There were a 1:12:34.240 --> 1:12:36.080 lot of new shows, so they hadn't been on air 1:12:36.160 --> 1:12:41.280 for that long. So when I got to set, I mean, 1:12:41.320 --> 1:12:44.599 first off, I was I just had the biggest shit 1:12:44.640 --> 1:12:48.599 eating grid when I saw Mershkah, Like at that point, 1:12:48.640 --> 1:12:51.519 we hadn't been introduced because I was coming in, you know, 1:12:51.520 --> 1:12:53.560 I think she was finishing up a previous episode, so 1:12:53.600 --> 1:12:55.320 we just passed each other in the hallway. So she 1:12:55.320 --> 1:12:57.320 didn't know who I was, or maybe she did, but 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:59.840 she probably didn't, you know, put two and two together. 1:13:00.040 --> 1:13:01.519 I think she was just walking to set and I 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:04.920 just had the biggest smile because I couldn't I couldn't 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:05.800 believe I was there. 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:07.880 And then. 1:13:09.320 --> 1:13:11.679 On my first day of filming, I had a scene 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:16.439 with everybody, like the entire cast, and I just. 1:13:18.360 --> 1:13:18.720 The time. 1:13:18.800 --> 1:13:20.320 I was like, oh my gosh, I used to watch 1:13:20.360 --> 1:13:22.800 this from my like dorm room in college. 1:13:22.400 --> 1:13:26.439 And I'm here and and I don't I and Murushka 1:13:26.520 --> 1:13:28.600 tried to talk to me, and I really. 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:33.320 Made the stupidest and like I could not think straight. 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:35.320 And that was the first time I realized. 1:13:35.360 --> 1:13:38.560 I'm like, because I'm usually a person that's usually not 1:13:38.800 --> 1:13:41.400 nervous on set or anything, I'm like, oh, this, this. 1:13:41.320 --> 1:13:43.320 Is this is what it feels to be nervous. 1:13:43.400 --> 1:13:47.439 Because she would ask me very simple questions that had 1:13:47.560 --> 1:13:50.040 very simple answers, but I would just overthink it. 1:13:50.600 --> 1:13:50.880 I think. 1:13:51.200 --> 1:13:53.040 I think at one point we had filmed something and 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:56.160 you know, and she and there was myself and another 1:13:56.200 --> 1:13:58.840 guest actor on my very first episode that I did, 1:13:58.920 --> 1:14:01.080 and he was from New York. Fantastic actor that I've 1:14:01.160 --> 1:14:05.639 worked with him again since and she looked towards two 1:14:05.640 --> 1:14:07.719 of us and asked, oh, where are you guys from? 1:14:08.600 --> 1:14:11.840 And I'd been flown in from LA and I was 1:14:11.880 --> 1:14:13.640 about to see Oh no. She asked me, are you 1:14:13.680 --> 1:14:17.120 guys from LA? And I was about to say yes, 1:14:17.240 --> 1:14:19.960 but then I was like, oh, maybe maybe she maybe 1:14:20.040 --> 1:14:22.599 she she means from LA, but I'm not from LA. 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:24.640 I only moved to LA a few years ago. But 1:14:24.680 --> 1:14:26.720 then as I was answering, I said, oh, no, no, 1:14:26.800 --> 1:14:29.080 she probably doesn't need to know all that. She probably 1:14:29.080 --> 1:14:30.800 just wants to know if I came from LA. So 1:14:30.880 --> 1:14:32.320 it came out of my mouth was. 1:14:32.439 --> 1:14:36.679 Yeah, no, no, yeah, yeah. It was literally the response 1:14:36.720 --> 1:14:37.679 I came out of my mouth. 1:14:37.760 --> 1:14:40.760 The first things I said to Mershcaggerty as myself, not 1:14:40.880 --> 1:14:43.200 in character, and of course my guest. I was like, yes, 1:14:43.280 --> 1:14:45.200 I'm originally from New York, but you know, and he 1:14:45.280 --> 1:14:47.519 just had such so much more composed answer. 1:14:47.520 --> 1:14:48.240 I just looked at him. 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:51.559 I was like, wow, I sound like an idiot. I 1:14:51.720 --> 1:14:55.000 sound like a truly crazy person. And then she had 1:14:55.040 --> 1:14:57.960 an yeah. And then she had another question at some 1:14:58.120 --> 1:15:01.240 point where she has, oh, I don't get to watch 1:15:01.280 --> 1:15:03.040 a lot of TV. Have you guys done a lot 1:15:03.040 --> 1:15:06.160 of TV, and I just I didn't want to come 1:15:06.200 --> 1:15:09.559 across as an experience. But I also didn't want to 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:12.639 pretend that I'd been doing this forever. At that point, 1:15:12.640 --> 1:15:15.639 had done several guest stars, you know, but nothing, nothing 1:15:15.680 --> 1:15:16.120 too much. 1:15:16.120 --> 1:15:18.360 And I just blurted out, oh. 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:22.040 The usual amount, which I don't know what that means. 1:15:22.360 --> 1:15:23.679 I have no idea what that means. 1:15:23.760 --> 1:15:26.360 Well, we checked out your IMDb and you are booked, 1:15:26.439 --> 1:15:30.160 you are you are working. It seems like you are busy. 1:15:30.240 --> 1:15:31.080 Yes no, thank you. 1:15:31.160 --> 1:15:36.760 I've since then, I've I've gotten a yes, no thank you. 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:39.280 I appreciate it, but at the moment I could not 1:15:39.960 --> 1:15:41.000 make a one. 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:42.599 Full sentence in front of Murshia. 1:15:42.720 --> 1:15:45.400 It is kind of like, I mean, I like I was. 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:47.720 I was a Paige at Conan and I would meet 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:48.760 famous people every day. 1:15:48.800 --> 1:15:50.519 But it wasn't until I met Tina Fey that. 1:15:50.479 --> 1:15:53.000 I was like and I had met like all these 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:54.559 Jennifer Andison, all these big stars. 1:15:54.600 --> 1:15:55.959 But like when it's somebody. 1:15:55.760 --> 1:15:58.680 Who's work you really like admire you've been watching for 1:15:58.720 --> 1:16:03.120 so long, it's such a different kind of tongue tied experience. Really, 1:16:04.160 --> 1:16:06.480 I like to you just ran through a full conversation 1:16:06.520 --> 1:16:08.760 with mercer Harget in your mind that wasn't happening, and 1:16:08.800 --> 1:16:11.080 you were giving the answers out loud as you went. 1:16:12.080 --> 1:16:14.599 And then how did it feel to be asked back 1:16:14.720 --> 1:16:16.800 after your first episode? 1:16:17.320 --> 1:16:18.800 That was? That was fantastic. 1:16:18.880 --> 1:16:21.240 I had such a great time on my first episode. 1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:24.559 And you know, because I've been a fan of the show, 1:16:24.640 --> 1:16:26.679 I knew it's like, oh, people come back as different, 1:16:26.840 --> 1:16:27.759 you know, different characters. 1:16:27.760 --> 1:16:28.960 Sometimes that would be so great. 1:16:28.960 --> 1:16:32.720 But my first episode was such a wonderful experience and 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:35.759 I had so much fun doing so many different things 1:16:35.760 --> 1:16:39.360 for just for that one episode. I felt truly fulfilled 1:16:39.400 --> 1:16:41.960 from that experience, so everything else just felt like a 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:46.000 cherry on top. So yeah, when they asked me back, 1:16:46.040 --> 1:16:48.840 I was like, sure, but I was only add a 1:16:48.840 --> 1:16:51.160 couple of years ago. They're cool with that, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, 1:16:51.160 --> 1:16:53.000 they're cool with it. I'm like, great that, I'm cool 1:16:53.000 --> 1:16:53.200 with it. 1:16:53.560 --> 1:16:54.840 Yeah, it is pretty cool. Close. 1:16:54.960 --> 1:16:56.760 You guys did not give the audience much time to 1:16:56.760 --> 1:16:59.400 forget about rain Now before you re emerged as a 1:16:59.439 --> 1:17:00.240 new person. 1:17:00.520 --> 1:17:01.400 Right exactly. 1:17:01.760 --> 1:17:04.479 But and who's to say, I mean, you could always 1:17:04.479 --> 1:17:07.639 come back again, right this character could be back many 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:08.600 many times. 1:17:08.880 --> 1:17:13.240 I shot my final episode a month before COVID, and 1:17:13.320 --> 1:17:16.160 at the time the talk was, oh, we're planning to 1:17:16.160 --> 1:17:18.960 bring you back, et cetera, et cetera. So there was 1:17:19.000 --> 1:17:22.120 definitely talk of that. Of course, COVID hit and then 1:17:22.120 --> 1:17:24.959 it didn't make sense to fly in people from town 1:17:25.160 --> 1:17:29.040 with quarantine rules. So hopefully I would love to come back. 1:17:30.640 --> 1:17:33.720 It was the new character is also so fiery and 1:17:33.720 --> 1:17:37.799 feisty and you know, spunky, so it would be really 1:17:37.840 --> 1:17:38.280 fun to do. 1:17:39.320 --> 1:17:43.479 Wow. So Raina was a badass. But while she kept 1:17:43.479 --> 1:17:45.760 being like, don't give me security, I'm doing what I want. 1:17:45.800 --> 1:17:48.000 I'm not canceling the launch where you like, shut up, 1:17:48.080 --> 1:17:51.000 rain Like, were you frustrated with your character that she 1:17:51.200 --> 1:17:53.839 wasn't listening to the pros? 1:17:54.320 --> 1:17:57.200 Absolutely, for me, i'd be like, yes, give me all 1:17:57.200 --> 1:17:58.040 the precissions. 1:17:58.760 --> 1:18:01.120 I don't trust anybody out there. I've seen too many 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:06.800 SVU episodes. I know what's going on. Yeah, but I understood. 1:18:07.080 --> 1:18:11.080 I understood her her desire to be with the people 1:18:12.280 --> 1:18:15.559 and everything. I definitely worked that in my my character 1:18:15.600 --> 1:18:19.160 homework and everything. But absolutely, when I was like, when 1:18:19.200 --> 1:18:22.000 I make a list of things, I make a list 1:18:22.000 --> 1:18:25.800 of characteristics whenever I get to play a character of 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:28.439 you know, uh, these are the ways the characters very 1:18:28.560 --> 1:18:30.080 like me, and these are the ways that the characters 1:18:30.080 --> 1:18:32.719 are very unlike me. One of the things I definitely 1:18:32.760 --> 1:18:36.240 noted was maus of maccarr would have definitely asked for 1:18:36.320 --> 1:18:39.439 all the security possible, right up. Ajabi doesn't, you know, 1:18:39.600 --> 1:18:42.360 doesn't feel the need for this, So that was definitely 1:18:42.360 --> 1:18:43.479 one of the differing points. 1:18:44.000 --> 1:18:46.080 Wait, so did you know anything about gamer Gate before 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:48.759 you film this? Yeah? 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:52.880 So, I from from looking at the sides, it looked 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:55.680 like it was inspired by that, And then as soon 1:18:55.720 --> 1:18:59.559 as I got the full script, I figured that that 1:18:59.800 --> 1:19:02.639 was going to be the inspired by true events piece 1:19:02.640 --> 1:19:02.880 of it. 1:19:03.439 --> 1:19:05.920 So I definitely looked into it a lot. 1:19:06.040 --> 1:19:08.760 And I also figured out from some of the costuming 1:19:08.840 --> 1:19:12.040 choices that they were trying to go for maybe, you know, 1:19:12.160 --> 1:19:15.760 inspired by a certain I can't remember the name of 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:18.240 the woman, but the depth, the hoop ear rings and 1:19:18.280 --> 1:19:20.839 everything with a tied back hair. 1:19:20.840 --> 1:19:21.560 I forget. 1:19:21.880 --> 1:19:24.200 I forget the woman that it was kind of inspired by. 1:19:24.360 --> 1:19:28.080 Oh wait, I know exactly who she is, Anita Sarkisian. Yes, exactly, 1:19:28.200 --> 1:19:29.000 that's exactly it. 1:19:30.120 --> 1:19:33.800 So when we were trying out outfit looks, you know, 1:19:33.840 --> 1:19:36.200 and they're looking at earrings and outfits, I'm like, oh. 1:19:36.120 --> 1:19:37.320 Yeah, I know. Yeah. 1:19:37.320 --> 1:19:39.439 They were also definitely giving you, I feel like a 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:42.240 young female Steve Jobs vibe some of it. 1:19:42.120 --> 1:19:45.080 Like yeah, absolutely absolutely so yeah. 1:19:45.120 --> 1:19:48.000 So going into filming, I had read up as much 1:19:48.040 --> 1:19:51.040 as I could about what the real situation was, just 1:19:51.040 --> 1:19:53.120 to figure out what doxing was and things like that, 1:19:53.160 --> 1:19:56.080 because at the time it was sort of like fresh 1:19:57.040 --> 1:19:59.120 as to what was kind of happening that was kind 1:19:59.120 --> 1:20:00.080 of happening. 1:20:00.240 --> 1:20:01.519 All across the country to people. 1:20:01.560 --> 1:20:04.160 So I remember looking up all these things at the time, 1:20:04.200 --> 1:20:05.720 So I definitely knew what was inspired by. 1:20:06.400 --> 1:20:08.760 Are you a video game person? I'm not. 1:20:09.280 --> 1:20:13.439 My husband is, so I you know, he would fill 1:20:13.479 --> 1:20:15.680 me in on some of this stuff, but even he 1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:18.280 is not like super into it. Right, I do not 1:20:18.280 --> 1:20:19.360 play any video games. 1:20:19.520 --> 1:20:21.639 He's not threatening and harassing women. 1:20:23.400 --> 1:20:26.800 I know, maybe he doesn't when I'm asleep, but from 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:28.720 what I know, he goes to me the same time 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:29.799 I do, and so I don't. 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:32.960 Think he's doing that. I loved your wardrobe. I loved 1:20:33.000 --> 1:20:35.720 the white outfit so much, and like business ye, and 1:20:35.760 --> 1:20:37.760 then at the end when you decide you're going to 1:20:37.920 --> 1:20:39.920 step out of gaming. It was like a loose sweater 1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:41.479 and I didn't know if that was on purpose, like 1:20:42.000 --> 1:20:46.640 professional to lounge wear, but I liked that. Absolutely. 1:20:46.720 --> 1:20:49.960 The costume designer on it is the same woman that 1:20:50.000 --> 1:20:55.400 I've worked with throughout all my episodes, and absolutely she's fantastic. 1:20:55.439 --> 1:20:57.679 And when she brought out that first set of right outfits, 1:20:57.680 --> 1:21:00.360 I'm like, oh, Raina's going to be cool, Like yeah, 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:03.599 it was really great. And even the hair that they did, 1:21:03.760 --> 1:21:08.200 like some when I'm doing the speech with the black 1:21:08.360 --> 1:21:10.800 jacket or vest, like I don't remember exactly what it was, 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:13.519 but I had this awesome break down my side. 1:21:13.560 --> 1:21:14.599 It was Yeah. 1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:18.920 They were really really made her very much cutting edge 1:21:19.000 --> 1:21:21.240 cool for sure. 1:21:21.600 --> 1:21:23.800 Yeah was it hard? I mean it's one of the 1:21:23.840 --> 1:21:29.440 more graphic episodes. I would say, even it's scary, it's intense. 1:21:29.520 --> 1:21:32.680 How was it shooting such intense stuff? Prepping for it 1:21:32.720 --> 1:21:36.760 and then watching it? Was that hard? Yeah? 1:21:36.800 --> 1:21:39.599 I think it was very hard for my parents to watch. 1:21:40.080 --> 1:21:42.240 I think they were very proud of my work, but 1:21:42.320 --> 1:21:42.679 they were. 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:46.479 I actually got a lot of like actual phone calls 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:49.120 for my friends afterwards because I think they. 1:21:49.000 --> 1:21:53.200 Were all just very disturbed by seeing me like attacked. So, 1:21:53.400 --> 1:21:55.120 like you said, I think it was a little bit 1:21:55.160 --> 1:21:57.840 more graphic than other episodes, and I think I had 1:21:57.840 --> 1:21:59.559 a lot of friends who were like, I just needed 1:21:59.560 --> 1:22:02.320 to hear your voice and just make sure you're actually okay. 1:22:02.400 --> 1:22:03.240 Yeah, I mean, I. 1:22:03.200 --> 1:22:05.960 Know this is a show, but that that I just 1:22:06.000 --> 1:22:08.320 needed to hear your voice voice and just just make 1:22:08.360 --> 1:22:09.040 sure you were cool. 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:09.960 Yeah. 1:22:09.960 --> 1:22:12.920 I mean at the time, it was again, you know, 1:22:13.000 --> 1:22:16.240 there were everybody was great on set and everything, but yeah, 1:22:16.280 --> 1:22:20.720 it was it was definitely long days of you know, 1:22:21.000 --> 1:22:23.599 and having to get into a mental space of like. 1:22:23.680 --> 1:22:26.000 Okay, now I've been great, now I've been kidnapped. You know, 1:22:26.040 --> 1:22:27.160 It's just it's just a lot. 1:22:27.240 --> 1:22:28.360 And I would I. 1:22:28.320 --> 1:22:32.880 Remember coming home every night from filming, I would always 1:22:32.960 --> 1:22:36.000 just get some room service of ice cream and just 1:22:36.120 --> 1:22:36.960 wash HGTV. 1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:40.840 Because I was like, I just have to like physically. 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:44.799 Shut my head down and everything down and just watch 1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:47.960 remodeling shows just so I just could just kind of 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:48.880 wash away the day. 1:22:48.960 --> 1:22:50.720 So yeah, it was definitely. 1:22:50.280 --> 1:22:53.160 Intense, and I even remember at one point, you know, 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:56.280 at some point it does become technical, because I remember 1:22:56.360 --> 1:22:58.720 one point I was in the I was in the 1:22:58.760 --> 1:23:01.519 hair and makeup and we were trying to figure out 1:23:01.600 --> 1:23:05.120 how how much injuries I needed because we were kind 1:23:05.120 --> 1:23:07.680 of going back and forth and I and I make 1:23:07.680 --> 1:23:09.280 a list of everything, and they were like, wait, so 1:23:09.320 --> 1:23:11.160 have you only been kidnapped or have you already been 1:23:11.240 --> 1:23:13.240 raped yet. I'm like, no, I haven't been raped yet, 1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:15.760 but I haven't I have been beaten up, so it 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:17.840 shouldn't be as much as have been raped like we 1:23:17.880 --> 1:23:19.960 did yesterday, but it should be a little less. 1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:21.960 Like we're just going kind of going through all the 1:23:22.000 --> 1:23:22.680 timeline of it. 1:23:22.760 --> 1:23:25.840 So I just remember kind of having those conversations with 1:23:25.880 --> 1:23:27.840 the hair and makeup team trying to figure out the 1:23:28.000 --> 1:23:30.280 extent of the injuries as we go back and forth 1:23:30.280 --> 1:23:34.479 because we don't film, you know, chronologically, so those moments 1:23:34.479 --> 1:23:36.559 are kind of funny. But then you know, when you're 1:23:36.600 --> 1:23:39.600 in the space and it's like dark, and you know, 1:23:39.760 --> 1:23:41.920 and and and you're working with a sun team of like, okay, 1:23:41.920 --> 1:23:45.120 they're going to push you, and I'm like, oh right, yeah, okay, yes, yeah, 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:46.760 let's get into this. So it just yeah, it takes 1:23:46.760 --> 1:23:50.599 a lot of like mental energy, but this I feel 1:23:50.640 --> 1:23:54.519 like this was the I don't think I've ever ever had. 1:23:54.360 --> 1:23:56.679 The chance to do so much in one episode. 1:23:56.720 --> 1:23:58.880 So that was also kind of very gratifying to be 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:02.000 able to like really stretched myself as an actor of 1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:04.400 just like being able to present in front of a 1:24:04.439 --> 1:24:07.080 crowd like that was an amazing experience. It's like, Okay, 1:24:07.120 --> 1:24:11.320 here's a room, here's like a filled out auditorium, and 1:24:11.360 --> 1:24:13.040 you get to make a speech and all these people 1:24:13.320 --> 1:24:15.160 are cheering for you for this character. 1:24:15.200 --> 1:24:16.400 But it's like, oh my. 1:24:16.439 --> 1:24:19.719 Gosh, I bet there are actual people who have fans 1:24:19.880 --> 1:24:20.080 like this. 1:24:20.280 --> 1:24:22.439 Like it was just like, ay. 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:25.280 There are several moments that were like I can't imagine 1:24:25.280 --> 1:24:28.760 walking into an auditorium and having like thousands of screaming 1:24:28.840 --> 1:24:31.800 fans and I'm like, and you know, my character has that, 1:24:31.880 --> 1:24:35.040 so just kind of the rush and the power and 1:24:35.080 --> 1:24:37.920 like trying to it was just like as an actor, 1:24:38.080 --> 1:24:42.400 it felt like a very full experience of like playing 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:45.960 a powerful woman who didn't want to seem intimidated, a 1:24:46.000 --> 1:24:49.400 woman who was able to enjoy that power but then unfortunately, 1:24:49.520 --> 1:24:53.360 you know, the world getting in the way and. 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:54.520 You know, having that power taken away. 1:24:54.320 --> 1:24:59.280 And it just it felt like a true journey for 1:24:59.360 --> 1:25:02.120 a character so that was very gratifying. 1:25:03.200 --> 1:25:06.360 What a journey, and then like the when your hands 1:25:06.360 --> 1:25:09.120 are like taped to the gun, and then that final speech, 1:25:09.320 --> 1:25:12.280 it's just like it's so power, don't I don't know 1:25:12.439 --> 1:25:15.320 powerful zword's scared. Yeah, it's very good. 1:25:15.720 --> 1:25:17.960 Yeah, I mean my mom had a hard time watching you, 1:25:18.120 --> 1:25:20.760 So I can't imagine how your mom felt, like, yeah 1:25:21.680 --> 1:25:22.040 all that. 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:27.000 No, my mom was like, oh, I mean she just 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:29.200 felt like she was like, you did such good work, 1:25:29.240 --> 1:25:31.240 but oh, I don't. I don't want to see you 1:25:31.320 --> 1:25:33.960 like that, get honey, And I'm like, I understand, I don't. 1:25:34.000 --> 1:25:34.880 I don't need to do that. 1:25:34.920 --> 1:25:36.760 In every episode of every TV show I do. 1:25:37.720 --> 1:25:43.080 Now, the important stuff was careesy hot in person. He 1:25:43.240 --> 1:25:44.080 was charming. 1:25:44.400 --> 1:25:45.559 He's super charming. 1:25:45.640 --> 1:25:49.400 He's so so such a sweetheart, a lovely, lovely guy 1:25:49.400 --> 1:25:52.720 to work with, so great, you know we yeah, we 1:25:53.040 --> 1:25:53.840 totally got along. 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:54.679 He was lovely. 1:25:55.680 --> 1:25:57.920 Did you eventually warm up with Mushika and we're able 1:25:57.920 --> 1:26:00.439 to have some like normal conversations, Yes. 1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:03.760 Thankfully, thank you for asking that I did because the 1:26:04.000 --> 1:26:06.320 second the second time I came back, So the first 1:26:06.320 --> 1:26:10.120 time as a new character, all my scenes were with 1:26:10.400 --> 1:26:12.519 were in the courtroom, so I didn't have any scenes 1:26:12.560 --> 1:26:14.800 with her. But then the third time I came back, 1:26:14.840 --> 1:26:17.720 the episode was directed by Mrshka Oh yes, and it 1:26:17.800 --> 1:26:21.640 was really yes exactly, and I was so grateful for 1:26:21.720 --> 1:26:23.920 that because I really feel like I needed to redeem 1:26:23.920 --> 1:26:27.280 myself in front of her. And I was like, man, 1:26:27.320 --> 1:26:29.840 I'm true, I'm really not that, I'm really not that 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:32.800 big of an idiot, and I'm really not like that, 1:26:33.800 --> 1:26:36.759 you know, unable to speak in front of celebrities, because 1:26:37.000 --> 1:26:38.840 up until that time, I was totally. 1:26:38.479 --> 1:26:39.960 Fine, and since then I've been fine. 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:42.320 And so I was so glad I was able to 1:26:42.320 --> 1:26:45.120 come back for an episode that she directed, because she 1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:49.920 loves directing and you could really see the joy and 1:26:50.000 --> 1:26:52.800 excitement in her eyes when she's directing, like she it 1:26:52.920 --> 1:26:55.799 just feels like a it feels like a new adventure 1:26:55.880 --> 1:26:59.000 for her, I think. So for one, it was great 1:26:59.040 --> 1:27:01.639 to be directed by her, great to see how excited 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:04.759 she was doing that. And then she's you know, because 1:27:04.880 --> 1:27:08.559 because she's an actress, she's such a kind and giving director. 1:27:08.680 --> 1:27:10.880 Like just the way she directs actors and everything is 1:27:10.920 --> 1:27:15.120 just very encouraging, very just very warm and loving. And 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:18.840 so I finally did get to have good conversations with 1:27:18.880 --> 1:27:21.719 her and got to take selfies with her and everything, 1:27:21.760 --> 1:27:24.439 and so yeah, and so it was a much I 1:27:24.560 --> 1:27:27.920 was far more normal that time around. 1:27:28.640 --> 1:27:31.960 And we obviously looked you up online and saw that 1:27:32.040 --> 1:27:35.240 you had a career transition. So you used to work 1:27:35.280 --> 1:27:38.320 in finance before you started acting, And I'm just curious 1:27:38.320 --> 1:27:41.479 as to how that whole transition happened, And is finance 1:27:41.520 --> 1:27:43.880 as terrible as it seems to us people who do 1:27:43.960 --> 1:27:44.879 not work in finance. 1:27:45.920 --> 1:27:49.200 Sure, So I had done acting all through high school, 1:27:49.240 --> 1:27:52.840 so it wasn't like a completely new thing. But when 1:27:52.880 --> 1:27:55.040 I got to college, it was very much like, Okay, 1:27:55.080 --> 1:27:56.880 that was nice, I'm going to set that aside now 1:27:57.200 --> 1:27:59.800 and now I'm going to do something reasonable. And it wasn't, 1:28:00.520 --> 1:28:03.240 you know, the typical stereotypical all my parents told me 1:28:03.240 --> 1:28:04.080 I couldn't do acting. 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:07.080 I was just a very logical kid who was like, you. 1:28:07.040 --> 1:28:09.280 Know, that's a hobby, and now I'm going to go 1:28:09.360 --> 1:28:12.160 into something that will make me money or you know, 1:28:12.320 --> 1:28:15.840 or just have like a stable life. A finance So 1:28:15.880 --> 1:28:19.600 I did investment banking, which is very long hours. I 1:28:19.640 --> 1:28:22.880 worked eighty to one hundred hours a week, barely saw family, 1:28:22.920 --> 1:28:23.439 and friends. 1:28:23.560 --> 1:28:25.439 I did like the job, and I liked. 1:28:25.320 --> 1:28:26.240 The people I worked with. 1:28:26.320 --> 1:28:28.960 I did it in Chicago, so I'm sure my experience 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:31.519 would have been different in a different place. 1:28:31.600 --> 1:28:33.000 But I worked. 1:28:34.400 --> 1:28:37.000 A lot of folks I worked with in Chicago still 1:28:37.040 --> 1:28:41.120 had that like Midwestern nicety to them, so it was 1:28:41.200 --> 1:28:43.639 actually and maybe. 1:28:43.400 --> 1:28:44.400 That's the stereotype. Two. 1:28:45.280 --> 1:28:46.200 I've heard of other. 1:28:46.000 --> 1:28:48.000 Investment banks in Chicago that didn't have as good of 1:28:48.040 --> 1:28:50.400 experience as mine. I worked at a boutique bank, so 1:28:50.439 --> 1:28:54.599 my experience with them was good. It was just a 1:28:54.680 --> 1:28:58.400 tough life to keep continuing, and I realized that I 1:28:58.439 --> 1:29:01.719 couldn't imagine myself like when I thought about my life. 1:29:01.600 --> 1:29:02.639 Twenty years in the future. 1:29:03.080 --> 1:29:07.120 I just didn't see myself doing finance investment banking. And 1:29:07.160 --> 1:29:10.600 I lined up a private equity job right after. But 1:29:10.680 --> 1:29:12.719 I took a few months off to kind of find 1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:14.800 myself because there was just a lot of pressures in 1:29:14.840 --> 1:29:17.040 my life at that point, and I was like, I 1:29:17.080 --> 1:29:20.000 need to get away from every single human being I 1:29:20.080 --> 1:29:22.439 know so I can think for myself for a minute. 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:24.519 So I took. 1:29:24.320 --> 1:29:27.160 Off for a trip to Africa and I hiked Malcolm. 1:29:26.840 --> 1:29:30.960 Njaro and did a camping Safari through the SERENGETI wo, 1:29:31.240 --> 1:29:31.759 So I had. 1:29:31.680 --> 1:29:34.720 Wait, what are you already an out doorsy person? Like 1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:37.280 they just want to know I just went. 1:29:38.080 --> 1:29:41.080 I just I was like, fuck it, I just need 1:29:41.200 --> 1:29:42.360 I truly. 1:29:42.120 --> 1:29:46.639 Was looking away to get away from everybody, from from 1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:49.479 my parents, from my coworkers, and for my boyfriend at 1:29:49.479 --> 1:29:49.960 the time. 1:29:49.760 --> 1:29:53.040 Who is now my husband. So it's fine, but there 1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:55.200 was just you know, my my. 1:29:55.200 --> 1:29:56.880 Family was pretty traditional and they wanted me to get 1:29:56.880 --> 1:29:59.320 an arranged marriage. I had a boyfriend who was not 1:29:59.800 --> 1:30:02.479 my culture or religion or anything, who was like, when 1:30:02.560 --> 1:30:05.120 what's happening with us? And then my coworker's like, oh, 1:30:05.120 --> 1:30:06.920 you should be you should be going to these business schools. 1:30:06.920 --> 1:30:09.200 And so there was just like, ah, I'm just going crazy. 1:30:09.360 --> 1:30:11.400 And I was like, where can I go where no 1:30:11.439 --> 1:30:13.880 one can reach me by email or cell phone? And 1:30:13.920 --> 1:30:15.439 I was like, if I go, if I go in 1:30:15.439 --> 1:30:18.400 the middle of the Serengetti and I'm camping, there's no 1:30:18.520 --> 1:30:21.360 internet access. But it was during this trip that I 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:24.679 finally got a chance to just sit back and think. 1:30:24.800 --> 1:30:26.720 And there were just a couple of people I met 1:30:26.760 --> 1:30:30.080 during this trip that kind of asked like made me 1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:34.519 think about certain things for the first time and just 1:30:34.800 --> 1:30:36.960 finally made me take a step back and be like, man, 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:40.480 when when was I just feeling truly creative and fulfilled 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:42.920 and et cetera, et cetera. And I thought about all 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:44.960 the times I was doing acting in high school. You know, 1:30:45.000 --> 1:30:47.559 I did like summer acting programs, And so when I 1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:51.400 came back to Chicago and started my new job, I 1:30:51.880 --> 1:30:55.040 kind of started actively figuring out how to bring that 1:30:55.120 --> 1:30:55.920 back into my life. 1:30:55.960 --> 1:30:59.160 And it started with taking Second City. 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:03.240 Classes and doing every student film that was out there. 1:31:03.280 --> 1:31:05.519 Like literally, I was doing one every weekend because I 1:31:05.520 --> 1:31:09.200 was like, I just need to learn, gain enough experience, 1:31:09.240 --> 1:31:11.200 figure out this is what I want to do. And 1:31:11.960 --> 1:31:15.160 I got to a decision point in my life where 1:31:15.840 --> 1:31:18.320 it was I either apply and go to business school 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:21.400 and kind of go down the finance path, or I quit. 1:31:21.920 --> 1:31:24.960 And just try acting and see what happens. 1:31:25.080 --> 1:31:28.160 And I figured if if it was awful and I 1:31:28.240 --> 1:31:30.400 just crashed and burned, it would be an interesting business 1:31:30.400 --> 1:31:32.559 school essay and I could just kind of divert back. 1:31:32.920 --> 1:31:35.680 Wow, And it paid off, and now you're you have 1:31:35.920 --> 1:31:39.680 the tools to invest your money as an actor and 1:31:39.720 --> 1:31:43.000 make it. Yeah, like you know how to turn those 1:31:43.040 --> 1:31:45.400 residuals into something to write home about. 1:31:45.439 --> 1:31:48.800 That's awesome exactly. 1:31:50.439 --> 1:31:52.880 No, yeah, that that is one of the things that 1:31:52.960 --> 1:31:56.559 I've I've noticed just from you know, because they from 1:31:56.600 --> 1:31:59.120 what a lot of a lot of my friends who've 1:31:59.200 --> 1:32:02.959 gone through acting, you know, like a college acting program. 1:32:03.200 --> 1:32:05.519 And I think it's changing now, but just like sort 1:32:05.560 --> 1:32:08.679 of like the financial tools and like how to handle 1:32:08.680 --> 1:32:11.559 your life isn't really taught two actors, you know, and 1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:15.400 hopefully that's changing now. But yeah, absolutely I didn't know 1:32:15.439 --> 1:32:17.000 what to do and I kind of had all those 1:32:17.040 --> 1:32:18.560 tools everything in place. 1:32:18.320 --> 1:32:21.960 And yeah, save some money for taxes exactly, and then 1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:23.800 you know, and I make sure your business manager is 1:32:23.840 --> 1:32:26.479 not stealing all your money. You know. Yes, it's awful. 1:32:26.520 --> 1:32:27.800 Do you hear stories like that? 1:32:28.200 --> 1:32:30.120 Yes, yeah, no, I yeah. 1:32:30.280 --> 1:32:32.679 And it also gave me, you know, I had savings, 1:32:32.680 --> 1:32:34.840 so I was able to like get coaching for things. 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:37.519 Because I was so raw and new, I didn't have 1:32:37.600 --> 1:32:39.960 a formal training program, so I got I worked with 1:32:40.000 --> 1:32:42.519 acting coaches and then finally did a conservatory. So yeah, 1:32:42.520 --> 1:32:45.920 it gave me, gave me the ability to just learn 1:32:46.760 --> 1:32:49.800 and everything while I was still working. And so yes, 1:32:49.840 --> 1:32:53.160 I'm very grateful that I And it also gave the 1:32:53.760 --> 1:32:57.880 work style of investment bankers just so intense. So I 1:32:57.920 --> 1:33:01.519 pretty much just tried to apply that into my acting world. 1:33:02.080 --> 1:33:04.759 What was the first job you booked that you were like, Yeah, 1:33:05.000 --> 1:33:07.320 I'm this is it. I'm killing it. I'm going to 1:33:07.400 --> 1:33:08.360 be able to like work. 1:33:08.840 --> 1:33:12.800 Oh sure, Well the first TV that I booked, which 1:33:12.840 --> 1:33:16.120 actually is funny. So my episode, my first episode of 1:33:16.240 --> 1:33:20.400 SVU was directed by the same director that directed me 1:33:20.439 --> 1:33:23.599 for the very first time in television. They're both Dick Wolf. 1:33:23.640 --> 1:33:26.240 I did Chicago Fire. Oh so Chicago. 1:33:25.960 --> 1:33:27.759 Fire was my very very. 1:33:27.600 --> 1:33:28.759 First episode of TV. 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:33.759 And so it all felt very full circle because SVU 1:33:33.880 --> 1:33:35.840 was such a big get for me because at that 1:33:35.880 --> 1:33:37.639 time that was the biggest guest star i'd done. 1:33:37.680 --> 1:33:39.519 I'd done a bunch of smaller guest. 1:33:39.320 --> 1:33:41.800 Stars, but that was sort of like the biggest main 1:33:42.640 --> 1:33:45.320 you know, guest star. So and to have it be 1:33:45.439 --> 1:33:48.720 directed by the very first director that I ever worked 1:33:48.760 --> 1:33:50.400 with on TV was was really lovely. 1:33:50.880 --> 1:33:53.759 And then since you are an SVU fan, I would 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:56.680 like to ask, like, what are your favorite episodes or 1:33:56.800 --> 1:33:59.880 das or like what yeah, stuff like that, Like, what 1:34:00.040 --> 1:34:02.920 are your favorite SVU characters and episodes. 1:34:03.400 --> 1:34:08.200 Right, Well, I I don't watch it as regularly as 1:34:08.200 --> 1:34:10.240 I used to. I think when I was in college 1:34:10.280 --> 1:34:10.599 and stuff. 1:34:10.640 --> 1:34:10.960 I used to. 1:34:11.160 --> 1:34:13.840 I mean, whenever there was an SVU marathon on, I 1:34:13.880 --> 1:34:17.559 would watch it. I'd get I didn't have cable in 1:34:17.640 --> 1:34:19.599 my home. So when we go to a hotel room, 1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:22.200 if there was an SVU marathon on, I'd be like, 1:34:22.280 --> 1:34:24.560 I need to set aside a few hours. 1:34:24.960 --> 1:34:25.439 Just for this. 1:34:25.520 --> 1:34:27.840 I know we're on vacation, but I'm gonna need to 1:34:27.880 --> 1:34:29.840 watch a few hours of SVU. 1:34:30.600 --> 1:34:31.720 But oh, what is it? 1:34:31.880 --> 1:34:33.360 Novak? I love Novak? 1:34:33.479 --> 1:34:35.600 Oh yeah, I love I mean, I loved all the 1:34:35.640 --> 1:34:39.519 female das I loved. I'm trying to remember. I think 1:34:39.520 --> 1:34:42.240 Novak was probably my favorite one. I love the new 1:34:42.320 --> 1:34:45.920 crew that they have now too, and also because that's 1:34:45.920 --> 1:34:47.680 why I worked with, so it feels a little bit 1:34:47.720 --> 1:34:49.759 more like, oh, I know them, They're so great, They're lovely, 1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:51.439 you know. All the others are just more like, oh, 1:34:51.520 --> 1:34:53.040 I just you know, I just admire them. 1:34:53.080 --> 1:34:56.400 From Afar, do you have any episodes that like stick 1:34:56.400 --> 1:34:58.559 out to you as like we like to say haunting, 1:34:58.600 --> 1:35:01.120 because I feel like your episode is like it's like 1:35:01.320 --> 1:35:04.439 very fucked up. So I'm like, what's your version of 1:35:04.800 --> 1:35:06.280 like watching this episode? 1:35:06.479 --> 1:35:06.759 Sure? 1:35:06.960 --> 1:35:10.559 Sure, I think there was an episode where Novac played 1:35:10.800 --> 1:35:15.320 I can't remember the actress's name now, Yes, did she 1:35:15.520 --> 1:35:19.320 initially come as as like an attacker? 1:35:19.520 --> 1:35:22.360 Yes? Oh yeah she could killed a stripper. 1:35:23.200 --> 1:35:27.280 Yes, that episode because like where like the tables are turned, 1:35:27.720 --> 1:35:30.000 that always like sticks out in my mind. It was like, 1:35:30.080 --> 1:35:32.800 oh wow, it can it can happen, It can happen 1:35:32.840 --> 1:35:35.840 to anybody type of thing. And I remember that episode 1:35:36.479 --> 1:35:38.439 also because of Novak and I was like, oh, she 1:35:38.560 --> 1:35:41.800 came on the show before she was da so and 1:35:41.840 --> 1:35:43.320 she was so great in that role, Like it was 1:35:43.360 --> 1:35:45.840 just it was just nice to see that, like, oh 1:35:45.880 --> 1:35:48.800 she's kind of rotten in this one and not. And 1:35:48.840 --> 1:35:51.759 so that episode is always the one I think. 1:35:51.800 --> 1:35:54.519 Yeah, she actually she actually rapes a stripper and kills 1:35:54.560 --> 1:35:55.320 one of her friends. 1:35:55.400 --> 1:35:56.760 Yes, yes, yes, yes. 1:35:56.760 --> 1:35:59.280 I'm sorry, No, I just you know, I mean the 1:35:59.360 --> 1:36:03.360 fans will tell. So, yeah, but what are you working 1:36:03.360 --> 1:36:05.840 on right now? We saw you're doing a project with 1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:10.200 Ava du Verney, which is it sounds cool called Naomi. 1:36:11.000 --> 1:36:14.439 Yes, yes, what we got So it's a brand new show. 1:36:14.479 --> 1:36:18.400 It's a CW show in the DC World comic books. 1:36:19.160 --> 1:36:22.120 It's it's based on a brand new comic called Naomi 1:36:22.160 --> 1:36:24.760 that came out in twenty nineteen, I believe, So it's 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:27.599 a whole new world, but it is in the world 1:36:28.120 --> 1:36:28.960 of Superman. 1:36:29.760 --> 1:36:30.800 So it's in that world. 1:36:30.840 --> 1:36:30.920 Now. 1:36:30.960 --> 1:36:33.040 I don't know if it I don't know if it's 1:36:33.080 --> 1:36:35.640 in like the Aero Verse world of the CW, but 1:36:35.680 --> 1:36:38.240 it is in the world of Superman. And so we 1:36:38.280 --> 1:36:40.639 shot the pilot in March, and we got the series 1:36:40.680 --> 1:36:45.320 pickup order last month or yes, last month, No, this, 1:36:45.520 --> 1:36:46.000 I don't. 1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:47.320 Remember one of these months. 1:36:48.080 --> 1:36:52.240 And we're going to start shooting the first season, hopefully 1:36:52.240 --> 1:36:55.479 in August, so that will be the thing that I'm doing. 1:36:56.080 --> 1:36:58.240 It's a great, great story. 1:36:58.320 --> 1:37:02.240 It's about a black girl who starts to discover that 1:37:02.320 --> 1:37:04.960 she has power. So she's she would be one of 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:09.320 the youngest superheroes out there. She's a sixteen year old 1:37:09.320 --> 1:37:14.240 girl going about her life in this ideal like little, tiny, 1:37:15.200 --> 1:37:19.400 sort of like army based town and then things start 1:37:19.439 --> 1:37:22.600 happening to her, and it's the story is kind of 1:37:22.600 --> 1:37:26.120 about her journey of discovering who she is and how 1:37:26.160 --> 1:37:28.760 she fits into the world of Superman and you know, 1:37:28.920 --> 1:37:31.639 just that whole coming of. 1:37:31.560 --> 1:37:33.680 Age story, but with superheroes. 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:35.840 Wait and what's so what's your role? 1:37:36.240 --> 1:37:39.320 So I play Naomi's adoptive mom. 1:37:39.680 --> 1:37:43.080 Oh okay, whoa huge Yeah? 1:37:43.120 --> 1:37:46.760 So yeah, so it's pretty it's pretty exciting. So myself 1:37:47.000 --> 1:37:52.120 and Barry Watson from uh Seventh Heaven, baby seventh Heaven exactly, 1:37:52.240 --> 1:37:55.240 So he and I yeah, we're her parents. 1:37:55.439 --> 1:37:58.519 Yeah, exactly. That's fun. You guys are like a hot couple. 1:37:59.160 --> 1:37:59.360 Yeah. 1:38:00.200 --> 1:38:01.920 I appreciate it. I can see it. 1:38:02.160 --> 1:38:05.800 So yeah, it's going to be a spring show on cw' 1:38:05.800 --> 1:38:09.280 so it'll air early twenty twenty two. 1:38:11.479 --> 1:38:14.400 Mouson was awesome. I mean, the fact that she has 1:38:14.600 --> 1:38:18.000 anyone with a Chicago story or two always catches my Yes, 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:18.559 I know that. 1:38:18.560 --> 1:38:21.360 That's a heartwarmer for you, a great way in for 1:38:21.400 --> 1:38:23.320 the Lisa troupe anyone wants to know Liza Trup. 1:38:23.320 --> 1:38:27.160 But also just you know, anything about following your dreams, 1:38:27.240 --> 1:38:30.960 hiking a mountain, ending up like serendipitous moments of like 1:38:31.320 --> 1:38:33.920 working with someone and remembering them and having moments like 1:38:33.960 --> 1:38:36.320 I liked the thoughtfulness and all of her stories. 1:38:36.479 --> 1:38:40.200 Yeah, she seems like just so genuinely nice person and 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:42.360 that's seems to be paying all for most of the 1:38:42.360 --> 1:38:47.800 people that we interview. Sorry, bad news, assholes. But let's 1:38:47.840 --> 1:38:50.880 get into today's post mortem. What did we learn from 1:38:50.960 --> 1:38:55.200 intimidation game? Lisa, I'm just not going to go anywhere 1:38:55.240 --> 1:38:58.040 near video games because I'm not interested in them, but 1:38:58.080 --> 1:38:59.080 not because I'm a woman. 1:38:59.479 --> 1:39:02.600 Yeah, I'll I guess I learned that people that like 1:39:02.720 --> 1:39:06.040 shooter games can't have any other games or they s 1:39:06.080 --> 1:39:08.840 been out of control. Like I guess that's what I learned, 1:39:09.400 --> 1:39:12.960 That everyone's out of their fucking minds. It's just it's 1:39:13.000 --> 1:39:15.280 interesting because the idea of. 1:39:16.000 --> 1:39:19.560 Corruption in journalism is like, there's so much corruption in 1:39:19.640 --> 1:39:22.400 journalism and to focus it on video games is so 1:39:22.600 --> 1:39:25.720 bonkers to me, like ethics and gaming, Like there are 1:39:25.720 --> 1:39:29.080 ethical breaches happening all over the fucking world, Like there 1:39:29.080 --> 1:39:32.960 are people abusing institutions, abusing their power. Like it's just 1:39:33.040 --> 1:39:36.720 crazy where people are taking their stand. But that we 1:39:36.840 --> 1:39:39.840 learned today that they are very serious about it and 1:39:39.880 --> 1:39:41.880 they have a lot of tech savvy to make your 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:43.839 life a living hell if you enter their world. 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:48.400 Yeah. Also, if the police offer extra protections for a 1:39:48.479 --> 1:39:52.760 giant event that's gotten death threats, say yes, yeah, take yeah, 1:39:53.120 --> 1:39:55.400 take it. Take some playing clothes officers and a couple 1:39:55.400 --> 1:39:58.160 of German shepherds, you know, for the safety of everybody, 1:39:58.320 --> 1:40:02.120 some free security, and turn it down. No. I wouldn't 1:40:02.200 --> 1:40:06.759 never turn that down ever, ever, ever. Also I don't 1:40:06.800 --> 1:40:12.880 know Logan Paul, get out of here. Also, your kids 1:40:12.920 --> 1:40:14.920 are creeps. You don't know everything about your kid. Your 1:40:15.000 --> 1:40:17.400 kid doesn't tell you everything. Yes, your kid is a rapist. 1:40:17.520 --> 1:40:21.000 He's going to jail. Stop protecting him. My son would 1:40:21.040 --> 1:40:22.920 never Well, guess what we have proof? I don't know. 1:40:22.920 --> 1:40:26.200 That's a screen name, that's a screen game. Raise your 1:40:26.240 --> 1:40:31.040 fucking kids better. Yeah, oh my gosh. And also, don't 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:32.960 ever try to play games with any of the detectives 1:40:32.960 --> 1:40:34.720 because guess what, Ice teas around the corner and he's 1:40:34.720 --> 1:40:36.880 about to shoot your ass. He's about to add light 1:40:36.960 --> 1:40:41.000 your ass up. People forget they ad all cocky. Guess 1:40:41.000 --> 1:40:43.320 what Iced Tea's waiting, he's behind the corner. 1:40:43.320 --> 1:40:46.439 His t should do that, he should do like play 1:40:47.360 --> 1:40:51.679 fucking whatever Skyrim with iced Tea for charity, like or something. 1:40:51.720 --> 1:40:53.240 I bet that would make a lot of money. People 1:40:53.240 --> 1:40:54.599 would love to game with iced Tea. 1:40:54.880 --> 1:40:56.640 I think he's a shit talker and a half in 1:40:56.680 --> 1:41:01.360 those little headsets, those little Madonna headsets gamers use, and yes, gamers, 1:41:01.400 --> 1:41:03.800 I'm calling the Madonna headsets. That's my frame of that's 1:41:03.800 --> 1:41:06.640 my point of reference for a front microphone. 1:41:06.720 --> 1:41:09.439 But it is wild because video games everyone plays. It's 1:41:09.479 --> 1:41:12.840 so is this outdated? I wonder or is this still 1:41:12.880 --> 1:41:15.679 a real thing? Because you know, Tricksy Mattel, she's she's 1:41:15.680 --> 1:41:19.439 twitching all the time I'm playing games, and I guess 1:41:19.439 --> 1:41:23.280 she is a guy. But and then like this porn star. 1:41:23.360 --> 1:41:26.479 I love Adriana chechick. She's always she's always twitching. She 1:41:26.560 --> 1:41:29.240 did a twenty four hour twitch stream of a video game. 1:41:29.720 --> 1:41:32.160 And when sometimes she'll beat a game and she'll cry 1:41:32.240 --> 1:41:35.400 and be like, I can't believe it. That took me 1:41:35.560 --> 1:41:39.960 sixteen hours. So and but I don't know if it's 1:41:40.000 --> 1:41:42.680 just perverts watching her play or game addicts, Like, I 1:41:42.680 --> 1:41:45.200 don't know, Probably a mix of both. Probably a mix 1:41:45.240 --> 1:41:48.240 of both. Yeah, yeah, her house looks great, Adriana, if 1:41:48.240 --> 1:41:50.840 you're listening, let me swim in your pool. Let me 1:41:50.880 --> 1:41:54.640 swim in your pool. I'm ready. Do you think if 1:41:54.680 --> 1:41:56.719 I DM her she'll let me swim in her pool? 1:41:57.240 --> 1:41:59.720 It's a great question, like can I dog sit for you? 1:42:00.560 --> 1:42:02.240 I want to be in your backyard. 1:42:03.240 --> 1:42:06.400 Yeah, to have like a verified on Instagram dog sitter 1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:07.559 sounds like, you know. 1:42:07.800 --> 1:42:12.160 What could go wrong? We follow each other? Oh yeah, I. 1:42:12.080 --> 1:42:14.360 Think you can slide into those dms with your dog 1:42:14.400 --> 1:42:16.160 pool requests. 1:42:17.120 --> 1:42:19.000 Be like, remember me, I waited in line to meet 1:42:19.040 --> 1:42:21.479 you at a pornhub pop up in New York. We've 1:42:22.680 --> 1:42:27.800 done some professional work together, but that is not porn. No, 1:42:27.880 --> 1:42:29.519 that makes it sound like you've done porn with her. 1:42:29.800 --> 1:42:34.920 Oh no, I did a Brasser's roast. Yes, I remember that. 1:42:34.920 --> 1:42:36.320 That looked really really fun. 1:42:36.439 --> 1:42:39.720 I did work at the Avens and it was like 1:42:40.120 --> 1:42:42.040 I was in a room getting makeup done with all 1:42:42.080 --> 1:42:44.080 these like naked porn stars. But she was like, what 1:42:44.120 --> 1:42:45.320 do you want for your makeup? And I was like, 1:42:45.400 --> 1:42:47.599 I don't want other people to think that I think 1:42:47.600 --> 1:42:49.720 that I'm a porn star. I was very carry Bradshaw 1:42:49.800 --> 1:42:52.000 in the real episode where I'm like, I don't want 1:42:52.000 --> 1:42:53.639 people to think that I'm a porn It's like can you? 1:42:53.920 --> 1:42:55.160 And then they made my makeup like I was a 1:42:55.200 --> 1:42:56.360 porn and I'm like, I just don't want people to 1:42:56.400 --> 1:42:57.960 think i'm deluged, like I just I don't know what 1:42:58.000 --> 1:42:59.800 you want for me, Like like I'm here to get 1:43:01.000 --> 1:43:04.840 can I just look like a comic? But and what 1:43:04.960 --> 1:43:06.559 was crazy? I mean, this has nothing to do with 1:43:06.600 --> 1:43:08.960 gamer Gate. I very apologize to anyone that wants a 1:43:09.000 --> 1:43:12.879 full on post mortem. But the funny a funny tale 1:43:12.960 --> 1:43:15.840 was all these girls that was getting my makeup done with. 1:43:16.320 --> 1:43:18.479 They were talking shit about this one porn star and 1:43:18.479 --> 1:43:20.559 they're like, she's so fucking ugly and annoying. And I 1:43:20.600 --> 1:43:24.320 had masturbated to her that morning, but I didn't want 1:43:24.360 --> 1:43:25.800 to say anything because I was like, I guess you 1:43:25.800 --> 1:43:28.439 guys fucking hate her, but I don't think she's ugly. 1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:31.120 But I just like sat listening to them talk about her. 1:43:31.160 --> 1:43:34.160 Wow, Lisa, you just stood idly by while someone who 1:43:34.160 --> 1:43:38.519 had just given you pleasure moments earlier is getting raked 1:43:38.520 --> 1:43:40.360 across the calls by her coworkers. 1:43:40.760 --> 1:43:44.680 Well because I'm in their space, you know, so I'm like, 1:43:44.720 --> 1:43:48.559 of course, shll I joke. I wouldn't expect that. I 1:43:48.560 --> 1:43:50.360 should have been like, you know what, I like her, 1:43:50.400 --> 1:43:52.200 and you guys are all bitches, Like I don't know, 1:43:53.200 --> 1:43:54.960 see you on the red carpet. I hope you talked 1:43:55.000 --> 1:43:59.599 to me like that would have been crazy? What else? Oh, 1:43:59.680 --> 1:44:02.720 the first thing ever is getting your hands taped to 1:44:02.800 --> 1:44:07.120 a gun? Oh god? Yeah, So if you're a book 1:44:07.439 --> 1:44:09.760 an officer, maybe look out for that. I don't know. 1:44:11.000 --> 1:44:15.360 Anyway, let's move on to what would Sister Peg do? Segment, 1:44:15.439 --> 1:44:18.599 which we are going to highlight this week, which every week, 1:44:18.600 --> 1:44:21.200 you know, what would Sister Peg do? We highlight an organization, 1:44:21.800 --> 1:44:23.840 give you a piece of reading, an article or a 1:44:23.840 --> 1:44:25.680 book or something that can give you more info on 1:44:25.720 --> 1:44:28.599 the episode that we talked about today, And today we're 1:44:28.600 --> 1:44:32.680 going to focus in on Anita Sarkisian's organization, which is 1:44:32.680 --> 1:44:36.840 called Feminist Frequency. It's Feminist Frequency dot com and their 1:44:36.840 --> 1:44:39.519 goal is to end abuse in the games industry and 1:44:39.600 --> 1:44:41.920 they also establish, i think, as we mentioned, the gaming 1:44:41.920 --> 1:44:45.559 industry's first games and Online Harassment hotline, which is a 1:44:45.600 --> 1:44:49.320 tech based support resource for people who struggle from abuse online. 1:44:49.720 --> 1:44:51.920 Yeah, the website has a weekly podcast, tons. 1:44:51.760 --> 1:44:54.000 Of resources, so go check that out if you are 1:44:54.080 --> 1:44:55.320 interested in any more info. 1:44:55.880 --> 1:44:58.880 Thank you so much for that, Kara, And next week 1:44:58.960 --> 1:45:02.240 we will be doing at Charisma for all you sick 1:45:02.360 --> 1:45:08.920 fucks out there. Season six, Episode seven, check it out 1:45:09.000 --> 1:45:14.080 on Hulu, Peacock, or wherever you steal some SVU thank 1:45:14.160 --> 1:45:16.360 you so much for always tuning in and being such 1:45:16.400 --> 1:45:26.800 great listeners, and we'll see you next week. Bye. 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