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Speaker 1: Welcome to Ruthie's Table four, a production of iHeartRadio and

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Speaker 1: Adamized Studios.

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Speaker 2: A few years ago, Serpentine, a small museum in the

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Speaker 2: center of Hyde Park, gave a party to celebrate its

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Speaker 2: new chairman, Mayor of New York, Michael Bloomberg. There must

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Speaker 2: have been three hundred people in the pavilion and we

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Speaker 2: listened to the Mayor say, when government can do everything,

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Speaker 2: private philanthropy has to step in. Which is lucky enough

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Speaker 2: to be able to step in a true dictum? But

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Speaker 2: what I remember most from his moving speech was the

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Speaker 2: ending come to New York City, and if you do

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Speaker 2: and want to have coffee or lunch, just call me.

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Speaker 2: This is my number. I did go to New York

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Speaker 2: City soon after number in hand. I never made that call,

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Speaker 2: something I'll always regret. But here I am, almost ten

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Speaker 2: years later, having the coffee with Mayor Bloomberg, ready to talk,

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Speaker 2: ready as not. Would you like to read the recipe?

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Speaker 3: I would be happy there. Okay, serve six two tablespoons.

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Speaker 2: Oh you need to say linguini with fresh and dry.

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Speaker 3: We started that who's running this?

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Speaker 2: We both are.

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Speaker 4: Linguini with fresh and dried oregano. And since I have

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Speaker 4: not had lunch yet. This is a perfect time to

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Speaker 4: focus on it. The size of this is it serves

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Speaker 4: six unless I eat two portions.

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Speaker 3: How do you do it?

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Speaker 4: Two tablespoons fresh oregano finally chopped, one tablespoon dried oregano crumbled.

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Speaker 3: Don't be obsessive.

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Speaker 4: Here twelve red cherry tomatoes, twelve yellow cherry tomatoes, one

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Speaker 4: hundred milli eat is extra virgin olive oil, one tablespoon

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Speaker 4: red wine vinegar, three hundred grams of linguini. I want

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Speaker 4: me to tell you how to combine these things. Okay, Well,

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Speaker 4: you mix the fresh and dried regano together step one.

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Speaker 4: Step two, chop the tomatoes and combine with the olive oil,

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Speaker 4: the red wine vinegar, sea salt, and black pepper. Three

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Speaker 4: you set it aside to marinate, which means time to

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Speaker 4: go do something else. Then next step is you cook

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Speaker 4: the linguini in a generous amount of boiling salted water,

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Speaker 4: then drain and return to the pan. And last step

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Speaker 4: you toss with the oregano mixture and the marinated tomatoes

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Speaker 4: over a high heat and then serve on very hot plates.

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Speaker 4: Don't touch the plates.

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Speaker 2: Don't touch the plates. You need to have a hot plate,

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Speaker 2: because the sauce isn't hot, it's tossing in.

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Speaker 3: Always do it that way. When I make a regano

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Speaker 3: at home.

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Speaker 2: Always make it.

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Speaker 4: So tell me about my mother cooked everything in a

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Speaker 4: pressure cooker or straight out of the can. Okay, my

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Speaker 4: mother never saw a kitchen she liked.

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Speaker 3: Really. One time I did come home.

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Speaker 4: From boy Scout camp and I said the food was

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Speaker 4: better at boy Scout camp than at home, And she said,

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Speaker 4: why don't you go back?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Okay? And so what did you eat at home?

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 2: What would you have?

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Speaker 4: It was delmoni peas straight out of the can, cooked

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Speaker 4: in the water that comes with the peas. It was

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Speaker 4: brisket or chicken.

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Speaker 2: Oh, briscuit.

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Speaker 4: So she made briscit, Yeah, you know, in a pressure

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Speaker 3: I don't remember.

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Speaker 4: But the recipes that she used were good enough to

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Speaker 4: get her to one hundred and two years in perfect health.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And to give you an appreciation of food or

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Speaker 2: did that come later? If you grew up with this food?

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Speaker 2: What was it like?

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Speaker 4: Food was relatively plain. Most things that I see on

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Speaker 4: her menu today, she wouldn't have known what they were,

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Speaker 4: and certainly didn't serve them, but the food and the

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Speaker 4: process brought us together. And there was my sister and I,

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Speaker 4: sister two years younger, mother and father. Father worked as

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Speaker 4: a bookkeeper, made six thousand dollars, the best year of

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Speaker 2: But mind, what are we talking about.

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Speaker 4: He was born in five I was born in forty two,

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Speaker 4: had a rule, my mother's rule. We waited for my

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Speaker 4: so it was always together. But we waited. We sat

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Speaker 4: as a family six o'clockish. My sister and I set

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Speaker 4: and we sat around and my father had a procedure.

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Speaker 4: He'd pick on somebody of any one of the four,

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Speaker 4: had to be everybody else chiming in about that conversation

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Speaker 4: but everybody traveled, including me, and it just didn't work on.

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Speaker 2: Would you be thinking about what you were going to

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Speaker 2: say about your day?

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Speaker 4: But did you Yeah, you had to think about it

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Speaker 4: because yeah, well, oh, here's a good rule for everybody.

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Speaker 4: And if they followed this rule, the world would be

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Speaker 4: a lot better place. Don't do anything that you'd be

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Speaker 4: ashamed to tell your kids about when you went home

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Speaker 4: at night. And if everybody followed that rule, we'd have

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Speaker 4: a lot less problems.

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Speaker 2: Would you continue this conversation or every dinner that until

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Speaker 2: you left home?

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Speaker 4: Maybe we missed it occasionally, I don't remember, but yes, Basically.

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Speaker 2: It also teaches you to listen, doesn't it. It teaches

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Speaker 4: To defend yourself, teaches you how to speak to others.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because I have in the last

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Speaker 2: few weeks, I've talked to Nancy Pelosi. I've talked to

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Speaker 2: President Biden's sister who's just written a book about, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Val Biden. She worked in the campaign, and she's just

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Speaker 2: written a book called Growing Up Biden. Because when his children,

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Speaker 2: you know, his son and his wife were killed, she

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Speaker 2: kind of moved in to take care of the two

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Speaker 2: children and cook for them aged twenty six. But she said,

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Speaker 2: you know, there is a lot of description from that

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Speaker 2: generation of family meals of sitting around a table. Do

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Speaker 2: your children are your grandfather? Do you have ben?

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Speaker 4: I have three grandkids, an eight year old boy who

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Speaker 4: hits a golf ball almost as far as I Candiday JD.

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Speaker 4: A seven and three quarter year old granddaughter who's learning Mandarin,

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Speaker 4: and a ten week old grandson.

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Speaker 2: And do they have family meals the way you did

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Speaker 2: with your parents or is it a different way?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think so. I don't think it's quite as organized.

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Speaker 4: And you know, today families come and go around the table.

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Speaker 4: We do not have what I call the Norman Rockwell

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Speaker 4: families anymore. Norman Rockwell used to paint the pictures on

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Speaker 4: a father, a mother, a boy and a younger daughter,

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Speaker 4: the traditional family with a turkey in the middle or

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Speaker 4: some of the table. And the way I describe it,

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Speaker 4: we don't or very few kids are lucky enough to

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Speaker 4: have a Norman Rockwell family in this day and age.

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Speaker 4: Too many single families, too many broken families.

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Speaker 2: There's too many people having to do two jobs or

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Speaker 3: And yeah, but society is different. You know.

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Speaker 4: We think that the zoom replaces the water cooler at work.

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Speaker 3: It does not.

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Speaker 4: And we think that families can come and go without

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Speaker 4: serious conversations between parent and child, and parents are unwilling

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Speaker 4: to who face difficult issues with their children confront them,

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Speaker 4: help them, guide them. Is more of an attitude of Oh,

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Speaker 4: education is responsibil is the responsibility of teachers. No, education

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Speaker 4: is the responsibility of parents. Teachers can help, and that's

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Speaker 4: why some cultures where there's a premium in the culture

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Speaker 4: on education, the parents work with their kids, sometimes till

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Speaker 4: listening to them, working out, helping them work out problems,

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Speaker 2: But I also think you invested in education, and I

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Speaker 2: think that if we do invest in educating people who

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Speaker 2: will be parents, then they will also be better better.

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Speaker 4: Well, if you want to solve the problems of poverty

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Speaker 4: and crime and discriminate, those things can only be done

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Speaker 4: if we work together.

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Speaker 2: If your father was born in nineteen oh five, where

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Speaker 2: was your grandfather.

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Speaker 4: Born someplace in Eastern Europe, so they emigrated. He wasn't

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Speaker 4: even sure where he came from.

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Speaker 2: Both your mother and your father's parents immigrated. They were immigrants.

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Speaker 4: My mother's parents were one generation earlier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And did they bring the culture of food that

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Speaker 2: Eastern I.

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Speaker 4: Don't remember any well, no, because keep in mind, my

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Speaker 2: Your grandparents around at all in your life.

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Speaker 4: Grandmother on one side, grandfather on the other. But in

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Speaker 4: those days, coming from overseas, you tried to strip out

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Speaker 4: or religion or even names. We anglicized our names. Today

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Speaker 4: it's the reverse. I'm a Dominican American, I'm an Italian American.

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Speaker 4: In the olden days, you would say I'm an American.

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Speaker 4: In the great migration waves in the twenties, it was

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Speaker 3: Melting.

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Speaker 2: The melting were talking about it.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes it was comical because they didn't really understand what

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Speaker 4: those were the days when America really added an enormous

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Speaker 2: And the food culture of New York, you know, it

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Speaker 2: is identified by Chinatown about.

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Speaker 4: Little absolutely an those Tokyo Chinatown is down to one street,

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Speaker 4: and on either side of those streets there are other

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Speaker 4: Chinese population has spread themselves around the city or out

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Speaker 2: And in terms of the culture food, when I've talked

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Speaker 2: to a lot of people who are children of immigrants,

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Speaker 2: it seems like the grandmother kept the food, you know,

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Speaker 2: the mother assimilated and the children totally rejected.

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Speaker 4: And the children never speak the language. When they say

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Speaker 4: they speak it, it's a joke. They don't really. America,

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Speaker 4: somebody once said to me, is the death of foreign languages,

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Speaker 4: and that's basically true. I don't think that the world

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Speaker 4: understands how isolated America is. Something like two thirds of

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Speaker 4: the members of Congress and the Senate don't have passports.

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Speaker 2: George Bushton only had a passport because his father was

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Speaker 2: the ambassador to China. Isn't that right?

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Speaker 4: Think about that? And they vote on things that impact

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Speaker 3: Very scary, scary.

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Speaker 2: What about when you moved from your mother's house and

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Speaker 4: Did you I went to college in Baltimore, Johns Hopkins.

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Speaker 4: Then I went to Harvard Business School, and I lived

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Speaker 4: But that's what restaurants before, and then now I go

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Speaker 4: Awful lot of twenty five thousand. Double this fifty thousand

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Speaker 2: Did you always know that you wanted to have food

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Speaker 4: Well, when I started at Solomon Brothers. For the fifteen

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Speaker 4: I would take a bores Head, nottwork and Boston baked

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Speaker 2: Well, they said. When I just went outside and talked

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Speaker 3: And think as any question. Does it work?

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Speaker 4: If the CEO walls her or himself off, what kind

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Speaker 4: I have the same sized desk right in the middle

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Speaker 4: one that's really irreplaceable. I like to cook, and Diana

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Speaker 2: But do you cook? Now?

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Speaker 4: When you're going to shaking baked chickens? The last thing

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Speaker 2: You like that. I mean, what about when you used

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Speaker 3: But I don't remember cooking. Maybe I did, but I don't.

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Speaker 2: Remember taking a woman out.

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Speaker 3: We go out to a restaurant. You know.

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Speaker 2: Somebody told Sam that you went on the Staten Island

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I used to go when I was a mayor.

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Speaker 3: But I loved it.

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Speaker 4: out of paper cartons. You know, get the people that

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Speaker 3: And the wine wasn't that bad either.

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Speaker 2: And so what do you look for in a restaurant?

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Speaker 4: I could go to a divy place. I love diners

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Speaker 2: Can you tell something about a person when you go

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think if I if I had lunch of job

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Speaker 4: That's what makes a market right there. There's room for everybody.

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Speaker 2: But I think that I asked my children and they said,

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Speaker 2: A turnoff as mayor, as a political person, through and

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Speaker 4: your administration for the first big city to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and what about obesity, what did you do,

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Speaker 2: Wes Mayor.

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Speaker 4: To, Well, you can't and I don't think you should

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Speaker 4: stop people from eating, but we tried to have much

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Speaker 4: healthier food in the schools and have warning labels.

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Speaker 3: And then you know me.

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Speaker 4: They used to joke about the big gulp when I

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Speaker 4: wanted to have people get smaller cups of soda when

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Speaker 4: they bought it. You could still buy as many as

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Speaker 4: you want to drink as much money, but just a

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Speaker 4: smaller cup. Chances are you wouldn't go back for the

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Speaker 4: second cups.

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Speaker 3: You would drink less.

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Speaker 4: Mexico at that time was the most obese city and

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Speaker 4: the smitty still is. I don't know, but they had

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Speaker 4: a maximum size permitted in cups and it did help them.

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Speaker 4: So I think government had some responsibilities. But in the end,

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Speaker 4: you are responsible for yourself, and I don't have a

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Speaker 4: problem if you're not very responsible, you just paid the penalty.

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Speaker 4: But when it's your children, then I think we do

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Speaker 4: have a societal interest in not taking away your responsibility,

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Speaker 4: not telling you what to do, but making sure the

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Speaker 4: kids are treated with the best science that we have

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Speaker 4: at the time.

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Speaker 2: Your generosity and feeding and taking care of the people

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Speaker 2: who work here is extraordinary. But there was a time

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Speaker 2: when you had to close your office and food was

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Speaker 2: not available. What did you do during the pandemic.

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Speaker 3: One of the things we did.

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Speaker 4: We all our employees got paid, but we also paid

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Speaker 4: the companies that provide services. We use outside services, you know,

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Speaker 4: electricians and plumbers and some cleaning and security functions. Companies

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Speaker 4: would tend to outside and we made sure we continued

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Speaker 4: to have those people paid while we were closed. So

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Speaker 4: if you had worked here for another company, we didn't

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Speaker 4: pay the company we paid, had them send the money

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Speaker 4: directly to the employees.

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Speaker 2: And so food is something we do to encourage people

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Speaker 2: to come to work, to feed them well, to feed

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Speaker 2: our citizens well. It is also delicious, and it's exciting,

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Speaker 2: and it is family. But it also is comfort, isn't

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Speaker 2: it In times when we sort of think about what

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Speaker 2: would make us feel better in ourselves. If you're down,

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Speaker 2: if something has happened, you might turn to music for comfort,

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Speaker 2: you might turn to art for comfort, but you also might.

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Speaker 3: Turn to food and use the word nibble nibble.

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Speaker 2: So I was going to ask you what would be

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Speaker 2: your comfort food.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm addicted to popcorn with probably too much salt.

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Speaker 4: Although the doctor says I have love blood pressure. So

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Speaker 4: he said, you don't have to stop cheese. Its are

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Speaker 4: an American little biscuit, probably not good for you. But

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Speaker 4: I could eat bags and cheese. It's love it, jelly beans,

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Speaker 4: those kinds of things. I try not to eat too

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Speaker 4: much fattening stuff, and I do watch my weight.

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Speaker 2: You look very fit.

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Speaker 4: The last couple of days I've eaten more than I

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Speaker 4: should have.

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Speaker 2: Is that because you go out for I was.

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Speaker 4: Just where the food and stuck in front of you. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the conversation wasn't boring, but other people were eating, and

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Speaker 4: so I went.

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Speaker 3: But I would.

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Speaker 4: I don't eat a lot of red meat anymore. I'd

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Speaker 4: love a big American steak, but I wouldn't have one

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Speaker 4: very often, maybe once every two months or something. Hamburgers

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Speaker 4: and hot dogs, love those, but a lot of times

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Speaker 4: I would have a piece of chicken or fish just

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Speaker 4: because of lower calories.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to see each other on Thursday night

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Speaker 2: where we celebrate you.

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Speaker 3: And I ask what the menu is.

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Speaker 2: Might be a surprise, but it might involve a lot

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Speaker 2: of vegetables. And pasta to start, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sort of slightly going off the idea of a

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Speaker 2: big main course, and also we're not eating till nine,

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Speaker 2: so I think we'll keep it kind of light. Do

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Speaker 2: you like that idea?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Do you have suggestions?

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Speaker 3: What would you like?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm going to have a hot talk in Hamburger

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Speaker 4: before I leave. No, looking forward to it, and thank you.

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Speaker 4: And then I'm getting a plane and going back to

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Speaker 4: dealing with American cooking.

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Speaker 2: And then you'll come back to us.

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Speaker 4: Used to come here an awful lot stop during the

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Speaker 4: virus starting again. I've been here three times in the

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Speaker 4: last two months.

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Speaker 2: Well, London's a better city when you're here.

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Speaker 4: I'll come back, but I think London's a wonderful city.

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Speaker 4: My former wife, who is still one of my best friends,

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Speaker 4: is a brit father was in the RAF. She grew

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Speaker 4: up around here. Mother came from York, father from the

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Speaker 4: Isle of Wight, and I don't know that she cooked

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Speaker 4: British food, but I do remember when we first when

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Speaker 4: we got married, she had a hot water bottle. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: only the breads, and I didn't know.

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Speaker 3: They did that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, nice.

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Speaker 3: My pleasure. Thank you I'm looking forward to dinner.

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Speaker 2: I know I have a nice time. Thanks.

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