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Speaker 1: Special Counsel John Durham has finally released his report. It's

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Speaker 1: three hundred and six pages investigating the FBI's investigation into

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Speaker 1: former President Trump.

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Speaker 2: So what's in it? What do you need to know?

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Speaker 1: And what was the impact on the country this phony

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Speaker 1: Russia hoax. The report even has people who push the

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Speaker 1: hoax saying this listen.

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Speaker 3: Regardless of the report is now here, it has dropped,

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Speaker 3: and it might not have produced everything of what some

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Speaker 3: Republicans hold for. It is regardless, devastating to the FBI,

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Speaker 3: and to a degree, it does exonerate Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: That's CNN's Jake Tapper finally admitting that what he pushed

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Speaker 1: for so long was a lie. Well, talk to Sean Davis.

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Speaker 1: He's the CEO and co founder of the Federalists. He's

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Speaker 1: been following this story from day one, has been dogged

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Speaker 1: and his investigation into it and trying to bring truth

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Speaker 2: He joins us.

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Speaker 1: Next, Well, Sean Davis, it's awesome to have you on

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Speaker 1: the show. Oh, I got to meet you for the

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Speaker 1: first time recently at the Heritage event, although I felt

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Speaker 4: Agree that that was fun. That Heritage event was so cool,

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Speaker 4: and this was the one where Tucker just gave this

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Speaker 4: amazing speech. And I don't think any of us knew

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Speaker 4: when we heard that speech how weighty and heavy and

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Speaker 4: historic it would end up being, because it was three

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Speaker 4: amazing speech. It was a cool night.

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Speaker 1: I know, it was one of the best speeches I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard from anyone. If I'm you know, being perfectly honest.

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Speaker 1: He's a friend of mine and I've always looked up

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Speaker 1: to him. I don't know if I actually had ever

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Speaker 1: it was cool to see him be and his element

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Speaker 1: and to deliver such an amazing speech, an important one. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: it's funny when you meet someone who you've already talked

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Speaker 4: That's right, Tucker bringing people together. I love it.

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Speaker 1: You've been following the Russia hoax, probably you know, closer

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Speaker 1: than maybe anyone in the media, and obviously with the

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Speaker 1: Durham Report, I wanted to just kind of hear from

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Speaker 1: you and get your takeaways on it, your insight into

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Speaker 2: Was there anything that surprised you in the report?

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Speaker 4: Sean, Oh, yeah, And in full disclosure, I'm still working

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Speaker 4: my way through it. I mean, it's like three hundred

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Speaker 4: I've got all the top lines, I've read the exact summary,

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Speaker 4: and I lived the whole thing for six years reporting

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Speaker 4: Durham went into. I mean, it's an utterly devastating report

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Speaker 4: to the FBI and its credibility. It leaves no doubt

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Speaker 4: as to what these people were up to and what

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Speaker 4: there about how Carter Page. When Durham began looking into it,

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Speaker 4: which kind of shocked me. The detail about the information

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Speaker 4: you know, about how Hillary was planning according to foreign

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Speaker 4: intel sources that they had picked up Hillary was planning

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Speaker 4: and wouldn't you know it, she had hatched this plan

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Speaker 4: I mean, the whole thing is just loaded with stuff,

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Speaker 4: loaded with detail. A lot of people have been criticizing Durham.

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Speaker 4: Why didn't he do this? Why didn't he do that?

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Speaker 4: The report he puts together is stunning, and it is

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Speaker 1: It does sort of potentially paint a picture that Hillary

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Speaker 4: She absolutely was? I mean, this was a thing that

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Speaker 4: her campaign and the DNC in part. A perfect example

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Speaker 4: Clinton campaign blows my mind because their whole thing was

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Speaker 4: Clinton's campaign, and the Durham Report and the facts out

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Speaker 1: Them because she tried blaming the Russians before the election

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Speaker 1: on July twenty six, twenty sixteen, and Hillary Clinton approved

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Speaker 1: a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to

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Speaker 4: Right, It's really kind of shocking, and it's amazing to

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Speaker 4: So they had, now we know from the report, no evidence,

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Speaker 4: no intelligence whatsoever that Trump had been colluding with any

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Speaker 4: plain English in Durham's report. And when the FBI opened

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Speaker 4: They didn't open an investigation into it, They didn't look

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Speaker 4: And so when you see those two different scenarios in

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Speaker 1: And apparently when they opened the investigation was obviously because

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was all pretextual. And I think even Alexander Downer,

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Speaker 4: There was never any of that. There was never any

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Speaker 4: That shows you exactly what they were doing. They were

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Speaker 1: And what I always found really in interesting is that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole thing is absurd. And there's such an

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Speaker 4: to go to school. And you know, if you think

436
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Speaker 4: about it, maybe my elderly parents they probably should die alone,

437
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Speaker 4: and you know, I really shouldn't be able to go

438
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Speaker 4: to their funeral. People just sat and took it. I mean,

439
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Speaker 4: it was an eye opening experience for me just seeing

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Speaker 4: how willingly, how willing people were to be told by

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Speaker 4: a totalitarian, authoritarian government. We make these decisions for you.

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Speaker 4: Now you just sit in your home and wait for

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Speaker 4: us to tell you what to do.

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Speaker 1: Well, I lost a lot of respect for a lot

445
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Speaker 1: of conservatives who I thought were anti government or at

446
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Speaker 1: least skeptical of government, who jumped when the government told

447
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Speaker 1: them to jump about the vaccine and everything else.

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Speaker 2: I lost it.

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Speaker 1: Sort of, I think underscored that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: who you previously thought were critical thinkers are actually not

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Speaker 1: and don't really believe a lot of the things that

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Speaker 1: they say they do.

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Speaker 2: To me, it's sort of exposed a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, Sean, is it possible to rein in

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Speaker 1: the FBI or the deep state if we were to

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Speaker 1: ever get a Republican president again.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible.

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Speaker 4: I think it's absolutely possible. I think just about anything

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Speaker 4: as possible if you have the will and the courage

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Speaker 4: to make it happen. So, if we had a president

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Speaker 4: who's dead set on doing it, and we have a

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Speaker 4: Republican Congress that's no longer afraid of its own shadow

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Speaker 4: and afraid that the media might say mean things about them,

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Speaker 4: it can absolutely get done. It's not difficult to do.

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Speaker 4: The only question is whether our political leaders have both

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Speaker 4: the will and the courage to get it done.

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Speaker 1: I think the biggest problem with a lot of Republicans

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Speaker 1: is that too many people want a pat on the head, Like,

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Speaker 1: too many people still want to be invited to the

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Speaker 1: parties or you know, be invited to the White House

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Speaker 1: correspondence dinner, or you know, too many people still want

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Speaker 1: to fit in as opposed to just doing the right thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a huge problem, and it's an especially big

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Speaker 4: problem in Washington. I spoke to a class of poly

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Speaker 4: sized students at a at university a couple of weeks

477
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Speaker 4: ago and shared with them if they want to be

478
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Speaker 4: super successful and untouchable and nearly cancel proof, I gave

479
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Speaker 4: them my secret to near total power and it's not

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Speaker 4: caring what people think about you. If you don't care

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Speaker 4: what people think about you, you are untouchable in this environment.

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Speaker 4: So much of what happens online, what happens in DC,

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Speaker 4: in the halls of power there and the cocktail parties

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Speaker 4: in the green rooms. There are these gas lighting syops

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Speaker 4: going on to make you afraid of what people will

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Speaker 4: think of you if you say this, or believe this

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Speaker 4: or do that. If you no longer care what other

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Speaker 4: people think, if you only care about what doing what

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Speaker 4: is right, you only care about trying to live your

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Speaker 4: life in according with your religious beliefs, in ways that

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Speaker 4: allow you to sleep at night. No one on the

492
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Speaker 4: outside can touch you. And unfortunately, it's an exceedingly rare

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Speaker 4: quality in people in Washington, because there's people in Washington

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Speaker 4: who would crawl over their own mothers to go get

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Speaker 4: on TV and say something regardless of whether they believe

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Speaker 4: it or not. But I think that's the real problem

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Speaker 4: we have in politics and in government today is we

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Speaker 4: have people with no courage. We have people who just

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Speaker 4: want to go along, get paid and be liked and

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Speaker 4: have the media say nice things about them. And it's

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Speaker 4: those people who are who are paving the road to

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Speaker 4: hell in this country.

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Speaker 1: Well that's one thing you know, I've always respected about talk.

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Speaker 1: You know that he doesn't care about those things. And

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Speaker 1: you know, there's always the people in the media that

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Speaker 1: you know, I kind of look up to with people

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Speaker 1: that aren't looking for a pat on the head. You know,

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Speaker 1: they just say the right thing. But unfortunately they're just

509
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Speaker 1: not as an abundance these days. Quick break more on

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Speaker 1: the Durham Report. I think the frustrating thing about all

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Speaker 1: of this is that it just it doesn't feel like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like, obviously the Durham Report is important

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Speaker 1: in the sense that it just solidifies a lot of

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Speaker 1: the things that you've been reporting, that so many people

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Speaker 1: have been reporting and you know, talking about, But it

516
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Speaker 1: just just feels like there's never going to be any punishment.

517
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Speaker 1: The scales are so always so unequal, and even just

518
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Speaker 1: pointing out the fact that they didn't follow leads on

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Speaker 1: Clinton and ignored those while following very unsubstantiated and you know,

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Speaker 1: almost previous already debunked leads on Donald Trump, but it

521
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Speaker 1: was just done for political reasons. But it just feels

522
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Speaker 1: like there's never going to be that we're never going

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Speaker 1: to beild a right those scales.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is frustrating, and I'll tell you that the

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Speaker 4: thing that prevents me from getting discouraged, because it can

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Speaker 4: be so discouraged if you're looking at everything through a

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Speaker 4: political ends. So what would I find comfort in and

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Speaker 4: what prevents me from getting frustrated personally is my faith.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Christian. It is essential to who I am,

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Speaker 4: to my identity, and I know that at the end

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Speaker 4: there's going to be justice, that in the end, sin

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Speaker 4: is going to be paid for, and luckily for my

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Speaker 4: sake through God's grace. I know I'm saved. I'm a

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Speaker 4: sinful person just like everyone else. But I know that

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Speaker 4: in the end the good guys are winning, and that

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Speaker 4: sin is going to be punished and dealt with, and

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Speaker 4: that the good guys are going to be justified in

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Speaker 4: the end. I got to say, if I'm going through

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Speaker 4: life without any sort of anchor like that man, it's

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Speaker 4: got to be depressing because there's just going to be

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Speaker 4: There's going to be no kind of justice on this

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Speaker 4: earth that quenches the desire that we all have within

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Speaker 4: us to see right glorified and to see wrong punished.

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Speaker 4: So I would just say, for those who are frustrated

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Speaker 4: and angry and depressed, take a wider view, take a

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Speaker 4: more eternal view of things, and it will radically change

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Speaker 4: your perspective in your state of mind.

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Speaker 1: Although I think a lot of people listening to that

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Speaker 1: would say, Sean, I agree with you. That is a

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Speaker 1: great message, but it would also be nice to see

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Speaker 1: some justice while we're still here on earth. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it'd be nice to also see some punishment and some

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Speaker 1: fixing of the wrongs while we're still here.

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Speaker 4: You know, Oh, I completely agree with that. I won't

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Speaker 4: I won't argue with that at all. You're definitely right.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the next Republican president, if we

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Speaker 1: can get one into office, you know, should do about

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Speaker 1: the deep state?

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Speaker 4: I think it needs to be ripped up, root and branch.

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Speaker 4: It needs to be leveled, destroyed. The buildings and these

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Speaker 4: monuments they've built to themselves need to be raised. The

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Speaker 4: foundations need to be torn up. The earth behind them

563
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Speaker 4: needs to be salted as an example to everyone who

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Speaker 4: sees them in the future about what happens when unaccountable

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Speaker 4: government agencies take control of a country. I think the

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Speaker 4: FBI needs to be defunded and eliminated. I think the

567
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Speaker 4: CIA probably needs to be defunded and eliminated. And I

568
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Speaker 4: think all these things need to be rebuilt up from

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Speaker 4: scratch with the knowledge that if they are not put

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Speaker 4: heavily under the thumb of Congress, they're going to do

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Speaker 4: the same things that they've done over and over again.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's like weeds in a garden, that

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Speaker 4: there's no weed that can take over a garden and

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Speaker 4: crush it forever. What's required there is people just no

575
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Speaker 4: longer tending it, letting it run wild. It's time to

576
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Speaker 4: go in and rip out all the weeds and put

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Speaker 4: in some nice grass and start using weed killer and

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Speaker 4: keep these agencies from just destroying the country that we

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Speaker 4: all love.

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Speaker 1: It's also just hilarious that media organizations receive Poltz rewards

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Speaker 1: for reporting on something that has always been false and

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Speaker 1: there was never any truth too from the beginning, like

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Speaker 1: the New York Times of the Washington Post.

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Speaker 4: Well, it tells you what the purpose of those awards is,

585
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Speaker 4: and it's not to reward quality, fact based, accurate journalism.

586
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Speaker 4: Those awards were given as congratulations for weaponizing the news

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Speaker 4: industry against its political enemies. So it would not surprise

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Speaker 4: me in the least if, rather than rescinding those awards

589
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Speaker 4: that they gave for bogus Russiagate reporting, that they actually

590
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Speaker 4: give them even more rewards for nonsense stories they run

591
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Speaker 4: against Republicans or Trump or Desantas or whoever. Like, they're

592
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Speaker 4: clearly not cowed by having given out prizes and awards

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Speaker 4: for stuff we all know we're false, because getting it

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Speaker 4: right was never the point. Getting their enemies was the point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there used to be I think more of

596
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Speaker 1: a cover and you know, all this stuff's been going on,

597
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: but they at least try to hide it. Now it's

598
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Speaker 1: just blatantly out in the open, and they don't even

599
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Speaker 1: care because they know there's no retribution.

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Speaker 2: To your point, the media is going to get continue winning.

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Speaker 1: Awards for garbage, the deep state, the FBI, they're going

602
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Speaker 1: to keep punishing their enemies because they can. So it's

603
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: all out in the open now because there's no punishment

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Speaker 1: for their actions. You know, Sean, is there anything we've

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Speaker 1: missed in this conversation that you think it's important to

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Speaker 1: get across to the audience.

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Speaker 4: I think it's important. You know, it's been kind of

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Speaker 4: a downer of a conversation we talked about all these facts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, buddy.

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Speaker 4: Look, it is a totally different environment now, ten, fifteen,

611
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Speaker 4: twenty years ago, this stuff never would have come out.

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Speaker 4: And the fact that we are able to dig into

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Speaker 4: it when it was just a handful of us from

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Speaker 4: the very beginning. You know, I can count on one

615
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Speaker 4: hand the number of people who were digging into the

616
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: Russia collusion nonsense back in twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 4: We stuck with it, we stuck to our guns, We

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Speaker 4: got the facts out. We now have a massive report

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Speaker 4: for all of posterity to prove that we are right,

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Speaker 4: and we can go out there now and talk about it.

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Speaker 4: I think that's pretty amazing. That's kind of a massive

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Speaker 4: paradigm shift in the met And I think it's nice,

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Speaker 4: even if while we're disappointed that there hasn't been justice yet,

624
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Speaker 4: that we are able to work together and get these

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Speaker 4: facts out, because this isn't something that was possible twenty

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Speaker 4: or twenty five years ago. This is a pretty cool

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Speaker 4: thing that we accomplished in this.

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Speaker 2: It's a great point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember being on TV when Trump accused

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration of spying on him, which obviously you

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Speaker 1: know they did, and everyone was like, no way, this

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Speaker 1: is crazy, and I'm like, well, you know they spied

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Speaker 1: on the Senate Intelligence Committee, they spied on reporters, Like

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Speaker 1: is it really out of the realm of possibility? Knowing

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Speaker 1: everything that you know we already know about the Obomba administration.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I guess now what you've reported and

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Speaker 1: what you've been saying has been corroborated and has always

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Speaker 1: been truthful.

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Speaker 2: So we appreciate you, Sean Davis.

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Speaker 1: You do you guys do amazing work at the Federalist,

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00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: So just appreciate you. Appreciate you being dogged and reporting

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00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: on all this and going after all of it and

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00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: bringing truth to light.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you so much for having me on. This

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Speaker 4: was a pleasure and we should do it again.

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Speaker 1: I was Sean Davis, the CEO and co founder of

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Speaker 1: The Federalist. Appreciate him taking the time to join the show.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Monday and Thursday.

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Speaker 1: But of course you can listen to it whatever the

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Speaker 1: heck you want because it's a podcast. Feel free to

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Speaker 1: leave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Love Reading those

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Speaker 1: and ratings as well. I want to thank John Cassio

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Speaker 1: and my producer for putting the show together.

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Speaker 2: Until next time,