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Speaker 1: where you stand with on X spencer guy wanted to know, um,

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Speaker 1: if you can get the rut rolling early by putting

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Speaker 1: out corn mixed with the viagra? UM, I would say, no,

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Speaker 1: you only it's gonna work. No. There have been a

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Speaker 1: lot of studies done on like what drives the rut?

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Speaker 1: Is it the moon? It's not the ability to get

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Speaker 1: cold weather? Is it uh? Bara MAgric pressure? Is it

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Speaker 1: hunting pressure? Things like that, And it always comes back

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Speaker 1: to the only thing that like really determines when the

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Speaker 1: rut in rut is in your area is day length?

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Speaker 1: Does uh? Does? I don't know? Does does viagra? That

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Speaker 1: doesn't serve the purpose of increasing one's desire. I'm the

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Speaker 1: youngest one in it's room, So why would you ask me?

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Speaker 1: Because I thought maybe I don't know, like you talked

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Speaker 1: to like, I don't know, but my understanding of it,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it increases one's It's not like

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Speaker 1: an aphrodisiac. Now, if you put an afro djiac out

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Speaker 1: mixed with some corn, yeah, that would definitely work. But

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Speaker 1: all you're really doing is like you're assuming he has

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Speaker 1: a dysfunction. The bok has a dysfunction. No, yeah, assuming

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Speaker 1: that you're just assuming that if you gave him a

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Speaker 1: and large consult your veterana. The rut isn't really determined

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Speaker 1: so that's why you get like the secondary rut one

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Speaker 1: You get the secondary rut one month later because those

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Speaker 1: willing doughs in the woods. So you're saying the vagrid

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Speaker 1: on you explained what triggers it very well. Length of day, yes,

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Speaker 1: but so do cloudy days make like less light come

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Speaker 1: had more cloudy days like up to November tenth when

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Speaker 1: it started earlier, maybe if there was like a volcano

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Speaker 1: Remember we talked about hush puppies for a long time. YEP.

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Speaker 1: A guy wrote in about why he thinks they're called

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Speaker 1: hush puppies and where they came from. He says there

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Speaker 1: was a relatively common food among slaves in the South,

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Speaker 1: and the name itself came from using these delicious nuggets

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Speaker 1: his words, to distract guard dogs when trying to escape,

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Speaker 1: which I like. I don't know if it's true, but

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Speaker 1: I like it. Hush puppy. I had the best hush

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Speaker 1: puppies in Tennessee. Is hush puppy? Yeah? I didn't think so.

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Speaker 1: To be totally honest with you, yeah, I'm not a

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Speaker 1: sh puppy fan. But this guy was putting green chilies

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Speaker 1: and they were very good. Yeah. But dude, you just

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Speaker 1: That's true, hatch chili. A couple quick things, uh, other

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Speaker 1: quick things. So we talked about this guy. What state

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Speaker 1: the government then's gonna track you. I forget like big brother,

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Speaker 1: like big brother paranoia. Okay. A couple biologist wrote in

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Speaker 1: And he then asked them, do you have something that

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Speaker 1: of the bear. Um. What these things are called, Well,

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Speaker 1: this guy's referring to about eating the deer and still

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Speaker 1: having it in. There is a passive integrated transponder or

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Speaker 1: said the minut Another biologist wrote in Carmen's talking about

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Speaker 1: pit tags, the government can't track you with a PIT tag. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when you have a PIT tag in you pretty much

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Speaker 1: on animals. They're totally tainted and less wild, and someone

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Speaker 1: seeing one without. H Now, I want to know. I

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Speaker 1: I had an instance where seeing deer with collars was

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I look over, here's this dough

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Speaker 1: do you see an animal with a collar? Are you

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Speaker 1: and turned it. He said, have been banded about a

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Speaker 1: hundred yards on on the pit tag subject. I used

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Speaker 1: to work for a fish hatchery that primarily dealt with

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Speaker 1: endangered species like um pallid sturgeon on petal fish. I

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Speaker 1: guess petal fish aren't endangered threatened in some areas, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: we would pit tag these fish. On a petal fish,

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Speaker 1: for example, beyond the third scoot from the back and

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Speaker 1: then to read this with thet scoots one of their

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Speaker 1: bony armored plates. Yeah, if you handle these things, like

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Speaker 1: You know you were listening Cow's weekend review. He might

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Speaker 1: maybe he listened, but he doesn't have good retention anyway.

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Speaker 1: You try to retain anything when you got my two

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Speaker 1: in the house, But these pit tags can be coded.

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Speaker 1: There's like thirty five billion combinations because it's old, super

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425
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: way sometimes people get driven crazy by thirst and drink saltwater. Yeah,

426
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: so if it gives you, I guess a piece of mind.

427
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: But overall it's a bad idea and it's also not

428
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: a cure all for like these uh Eastern medicine claims

429
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: that you should put on a jellyfish sting. You can

430
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: put it on a sunburn. It will get rid of warts.

431
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: It's good for your skin if you drink it. And

432
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: my buddy fell on an urchin one time we're fishing,

433
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: ah and he piste on it. All of that's wrong.

434
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: You shouldn't do it. He was married to a doctor,

435
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't think. But yeah, it's never mind that sent

436
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: her to the meat eater dot com. Then, so that

437
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: that's the kind of But hold, is there anything good

438
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: that urine can be used for it? It's waste. Write

439
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: your name in the snows snow Pete on our smoldering campfire.

440
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 1: Hey left. I figured I was putting into good use.

441
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: So um. Another one we recently wrote about was were

442
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: whale stocked in the Great Salt Lake? Oh? Can I

443
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: can we return to the to the did someone just

444
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: mention vomiting? Or was I going to mention vomiting? Oh?

445
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: I was telling the whole office about how you vomited

446
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: so much while we were spearfishing and you had somehow

447
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: twice left that out that I'm gonna tell everybody about

448
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: it right now. I was hoping to have a no

449
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: that was different. I had a lot of problems, um,

450
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: but we never got the daddy longlegs thing't there. But

451
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: I'm segue and I'm pivoting off. I'm trying to segue off. Okay,

452
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: check this out. Spencer said, how about drinking pistols and

453
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: doing any good? Actually? And I said about how sometimes

454
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: people will become thirst crazed if they're stranded on the

455
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: ocean and they'll try to drink saltwater. So I was

456
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: gonna seguey off my own interruption to point this out

457
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: spear fishing. Um. You know, I usually was snorkels to

458
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: have the check valvenum. No, not a water man, not

459
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: that kind of water man. Okay, some stories have a

460
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: check valve inum. H is anybody familiar with these. You

461
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: go into water and there's a sliding ball is buoyant

462
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: and the ball comes up and blocks so you can

463
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: go into water and your snorkle doesn't feel or even

464
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: splashes coming over. Your snorkele won't feel full of water.

465
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: I've been using those long time now that I'm officially

466
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: dabbling in the spear fishing world. Uh, I've been told

467
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: that those are naughty because they bubble too much, and

468
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: people don't like bubbles underwater. Fish don't like bubbles. They

469
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: don't want you bubbling. And so these guys use these

470
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: uh pretty wide gauge so you can breathe through them.

471
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: Very heavily short, low profile, wide gauge snorkels that they

472
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: clipped to the back of their mass strap so that

473
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: when you go into water, you spit the snorkle out.

474
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: The snorkel is not up in your business. That doesn't

475
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: obstruct your visions, just took to the back of your head,

476
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: out of the way, and it's small profiles, there's not

477
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: a lot of drag. I'm used to a more robust

478
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: um check valved, longer side mounted snorkel, and switching to

479
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: this new snorkel system allowed me to breathe in. It

480
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: all made me drink a lot of salt water, and

481
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: at one point out in the water, I had to

482
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: full on. I twice like a two pack spread apart

483
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: um full on vomited into my own area, right, I

484
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: kind of brushed it away. I sort of splashed all

485
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: my vomit away. So you're you were on the surface

486
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: when you had this, I was you really wanna know

487
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: what was going on in the kelp forest and you

488
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: come up they freaking kelp man, and you have to

489
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: like dig your way, you have to like create a

490
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: hole to get your head up, to get a breath,

491
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: a little panicky, no, just you get up in the

492
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: in the kelp is so heavy that it would lay

493
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: the snorkel down and you you'd be up and like, oh,

494
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm fine, and you take a big you'd be like

495
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: out of breath, you know whatever, and you take a

496
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: big ripper and it would the snorke will be cock

497
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: eyed whatever because the kelt so I one day I

498
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: went out and drank so much salt water that I

499
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: had to eject it all. Yeah, um, you're honestly, you

500
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 1: get panicky up on on the surface like it's it's

501
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: no one was panicky. Well, no, I definitely felt the

502
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: anxiety of of being around and in the kelp it

503
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: gets thick. I had a good I don't know if

504
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: they ever gave you this tip though about swimming through

505
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: it on the surface and how to use your gun

506
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: like point it put it up above your head and

507
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: it sort of splits the kelp and you can you

508
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: can move through it a little easier. I eventually developed

509
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: the system I'm pretty happy with forgetting through the kelt Know,

510
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: it can definitely feel like it's sort of a bunch

511
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: of hands and arms grabbing onto you. And you guys

512
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: were spooky. You were spitting out your snorkel before you

513
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: dive right pulling it out. Yeah. Is it so dense

514
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: that you could like lose the sense of what's up

515
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: and what's down? No, no, the girls vertically, no, but

516
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: you when you were down, you could look up and

517
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: see holes and then adjust your rise to hit little holes,

518
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: or you might have a better busting through to get

519
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: a breath. And it's always way worse at the surfaces

520
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: than it is underneath. You could travel quite freely underneath

521
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: because all the leaves are laying on the surface. It's

522
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: just the stalks are underwater, so you could kind of

523
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: sneak around and there a little bit. But then when

524
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: you wanted to come up, it was hard. And it

525
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: was caused me to drink a lot of that damn saltwater.

526
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: And this happs to me all the time. Last time

527
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: I was in Boja spear fish and I had to

528
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: climb up on the beach and bombit. My body doesn't like.

529
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: My body's anti saltwater. I was impressed though, with the

530
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: way you got back in the game, because I was

531
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: already in the boat. Steve got to the boat, told

532
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: us about vomiting and flopped into the boat literally to

533
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: the right to the floor. And people were talking to

534
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: Steve and he was not responding. He was fine, but

535
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: he's like he was not he was not in a

536
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: talkative mood, you know, which for Steve's not very often,

537
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: you know. And he's like on the ground, And about

538
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: forty five minutes later he was back in the water

539
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 1: charging Wow, dude, Yeah, I'm hardcoret man. Not about that.

540
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 1: Just going belly up for back. That's tough. Uh Dyhow

541
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: So there we are, Daniel dog daddy long legs. Yeah. So,

542
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: um oh, no whales. You're gonna tell us about whales.

543
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: I was just giving you some examples of the kind

544
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: of um yarns that we look at, or long held assumptions.

545
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: Can I tell you I never heard that there were

546
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: whales in Great Salt Lake. I hadn't either, but I

547
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: was in Salt Lake City a few weeks ago, and

548
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: the uber driver just telling me that actually put a

549
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: lot of good info off And then I google this

550
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: and this has been off repeated on forums and blogs. Specifically,

551
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: even the University of Utah Biology department has like a

552
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: short blog section talking about when this happened, that these

553
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: whales were stuck there, But it never did happen. Why

554
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: does the university say it did as a joke. No,

555
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: they're just misinformed on the university, the misinformity of Utah

556
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: misinformed about a whale introduction. On their biology department website.

557
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: They have a short thing talking about when this happened

558
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: back in the eight hundreds. Yes, I'll pull it up. Ah. Well,

559
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: the you, the actual university is wrong about whether or

560
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: not whales were I think it is something that's just

561
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: been overlooked, Like whoever is auditing what goes up on

562
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: these websites happened to miss that, you know, within the

563
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: biology department. There's this quick blog post that who knows,

564
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: some grad student probably contributed talking about when this happened.

565
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: Man if I was gonna send my kid to that school,

566
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: And then I was thumbing through the website and encountered

567
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: a thing that they had let wales loose Great Salt Lake,

568
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: and then I learned that that wasn't true. I would

569
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 1: withdraw my child's application. Dude, I gotta tell you, Uh,

570
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: doing a lot of research on biology based topics. This

571
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: is not limited to the University of Utah. You come

572
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: across some grad papers that you're like, ah, that that's

573
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 1: just not right, Like there's they're not all jams out there.

574
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: This is on utah dot d use website and it

575
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: is under the Rose Lab Department of Biology from the

576
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: University Utah, and it tells the whole story about how

577
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: the Great Salt Lake, which is seventy five miles long

578
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: thirty five miles wide, covers more than million acres. And

579
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: then he goes on to tell you the story of

580
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: how this eccentric biologist back in the stocked these whales

581
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: there we're kind of whales. So to run this like

582
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: down to figure out what the origin of this was

583
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: it actus, we went back to an article in a

584
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: now defunct newspaper in Utah that used like some very

585
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: heavy handed hints that they were writing something that was

586
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: sarcasm and not to be believed. But the story goes

587
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: that back in this eccentric biologists had a theory that

588
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: in the Great Salt Lake whales could survive, and so

589
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: he went on a two year mission south of Australia

590
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: to hunt and catch whales to then bring there. And

591
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: they decided to do that because they weren't able to

592
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: acquire any whale legs. So there's an example of where

593
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: this article like an onion article, yes, but it was

594
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: from a newspaper like you see, there's an old timey

595
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: newspaper clipping talking about this UM. I forget what your

596
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: original question was, what kind of whales it? There's no

597
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: details given besides that these two whales were caught off

598
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: the southern coast of Australa. They were then taken to

599
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: to San Francisco. There's no details on how they got

600
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: them there. Uh. And then from San Francisco they jumped

601
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: on a rail line for these specially designed um Trader

602
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: trains shipped to Salt Lake City and then carried a

603
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: half mile from the tracks to the to the lake

604
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: and placed in there. And they had these holding pens

605
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: set up with like long mesh nets so that the

606
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: whales could stay near the mouth of the bear river

607
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: and be observed. But within minutes of these things being released,

608
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: they busted out of the mesh. And after that they

609
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: were spotted a few times over the next couple of years.

610
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: But then whalers came in like five years after they

611
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: were released, another like heavy handed thing talking about why

612
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: this isn't true, and they killed off the two whales there.

613
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: But to this day there are still reports of whale

614
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: sidings in the Great Solid Yes, you know there's when

615
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: I was researching my oh you want to see a

616
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: seg we're not we don't even approached what we're supposed

617
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: to talk about. And we haven't got into the daddy

618
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: long legs yet. But um, when I was researching in

619
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: my Buffalo book and watched I got an announcement to

620
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: make about that. When I was researching my Buffalo book,

621
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: all these you know a decade ago. Um, everyone knows

622
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: the story that like that like sharing, Like there's a

623
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: general like Sheridan in the in the sort of the

624
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: lore of of of of Buffalo. Okay, there's this thing

625
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: that that, uh, the the U. S. Military had this

626
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 1: stated goal, this stated thing that let's get rid of

627
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: the planes tribes. The key to getting rid of the

628
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: planes tribes just to kill all the buffalo then they'll

629
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: have nothing to eat. And people thought that there's this

630
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: myth that that was like the stated that that was

631
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: a stated goal and not a just a very real consequence.

632
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: It wasn't very real consequence, but it was like the

633
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 1: U S policy was to do this, and it came

634
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: from the fact that uh General Sheridan I believe it was,

635
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: had supposedly said this in front of the Texas State

636
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: Assembly and it's in every history, every old history book

637
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: likes to mention this thing. Well, um, a student of

638
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: Dan Floors, who we've had on the podcast one time,

639
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: went to like right about this and in his research

640
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: found out that not only is there really no evidence

641
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,720
Speaker 1: of him saying this, he never spoke to the Texas

642
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: State Assembly, but there it is. It just is the

643
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: thing that gets perpetuated and perpetuated and perpetuated. And then

644
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: he looked as like it's just someone screwed up or whatever,

645
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: the segue being. When you um a little bit about

646
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: book business, when you sell a book to a publisher

647
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: like my my book American Buffalo in Search of a

648
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: lass Icon was published by Random House in Random House

649
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: owns everything about They owned the world rights to the book,

650
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: and they can sell audio rights, so they sold the

651
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: audio rights to another audio book company when it came out,

652
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: and this audio book company hired. I don't want to

653
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: disparage the guy. I'm sure he you know, hopefully loves

654
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: his country and loves his family, but just did a

655
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: horrible job, the worst job you could possibly imagine reading

656
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: my book. When I got the audio version of my

657
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 1: book and I turned it on, I couldn't. He didn't

658
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: get a sentence out of his mouth. And I was

659
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 1: across the room turning it off. It's that bad. It's

660
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: not how it sounds. He doesn't get it. It's not

661
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: how it sounds. It's like I would rather have had

662
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: Alvin and the Chipmunks read this book. Like this man

663
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: was so detached from the actual material that he wasn't capable. Yeah,

664
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 1: he's a soap opera actor and like you could tell

665
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: that he wouldn't be able to even imagine a world

666
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: in which he could imagine what's in my head? Mm hmm. Anyhow,

667
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: they had the rights for ten years. I did. I

668
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: thought they had the rights in perpetuity. They had the

669
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: rights for ten years. Random Houses got the audio rights back,

670
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: and I just spent three days in a studio and

671
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: I read the whole damn book from start to end,

672
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: and it's now, it's already available. It seem going audible.

673
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: You can going on your bookstore like the iTunes I whatever,

674
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: what the hell is it called, Like the iTunes bookstore

675
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: on your app on your phone, and it's me reading

676
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: my damn book American Buffalo and searchable lost Icon read

677
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: by me now and not some hoser. Yeah, Daddy long Legs,

678
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: Daddy long Legs. So a lot of people have heard

679
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: this claim that Daddy long Legs or one of the

680
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: most venomous fighters in the world. But they lack the

681
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: things big enough to like puncture human skin like they

682
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: are like and if a bird eats him, it dies. Yeah,

683
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: they're loaded. They're a loaded gun without a trigger. I'm

684
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: very aware of this. I was over the weekend. It's

685
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: a death sentence for every bird that we need to

686
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: read our website. Morianni. He did. He just can't retain

687
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: it right. So when we started looking into this claim,

688
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: attempting to track on the origin, it was impossible. Could

689
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: not figure out where this came from. But within our

690
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: editorial team, we have people from Hawaii to Washington to Kansas,

691
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: UM to Maryland, and every one of those people had

692
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: heard this claim as a kid. So I it's say nationwide,

693
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: maybe worldwide Kansas Morgan Mason, Oh yeah, I heard that

694
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: growing up Texas. There we go, the whole country, probably

695
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: a lot of the world has heard this claim. Um,

696
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: But almost all of it is inaccurate. So for one,

697
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: daddy long legs, they're not spiders. They are harvestmen, which

698
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: is also a type of a rack nied. So right

699
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: after bat this claim is they also do not have

700
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: any venom in them. Um. But what they do have,

701
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: and what maybe started like this theory or this rumor,

702
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: is no venom at all, or no venom that can

703
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: hurtanom at all. If something attacks a daddy long legs,

704
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: their first line of defense are those long, brittle legs

705
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: that could break off, and then they got seven more

706
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: legs that can screw you away with And those legs

707
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: will actually continue to twitch after something grabs them. So

708
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: it's like it fools the predator, whatever it is, a

709
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: bigger spider or some kind of bird or whatever grabs

710
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: all these things. That's the first line defense. Second line

711
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: of defense is something actually like gets them in their mouth.

712
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: They secrete this like foul smelling, foul tasting, foul looking

713
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: substance that basically makes whatever is eating them, if it

714
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: has like a sense of taste, release them. Okay, So

715
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's maybe what started this, is that somebody

716
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: observed that some sort of amphib in eating one of

717
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: these things and then spitting it out because of that

718
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: foul tasting substance. But they have no venom um. And

719
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 1: the other part of the this, you know, is that

720
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: they favorite part they lack the big fangs, which they

721
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: actually have. Their fangs are similar to a brown recluse

722
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: in size the way brown brown recluse can penetrate skin

723
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: no problem. They actually tested this on an episode of MythBusters.

724
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: They got one of these things to bite somebody in

725
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: a penetrated skin. But they lack like the aggressive attitude

726
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: to bite anybody. And the primary use for those fangs

727
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: is to pick stuff up and hold it while it

728
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: eats it. So they have the fangs, they're not spiders,

729
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: and they don't have any venom Basically, well, they're harvest men.

730
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: That's like, I don't know, you know, it doesn't have

731
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: the body type to fall into the spider category, right, Uh,

732
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: so they are a member of the iractant class like

733
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: spiders scorpions, they're not lumped in with spiders. Yep. So

734
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: basically the whole thing is wrong. But I cannot track

735
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: down where they started or why. But my theory would

736
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: be that somebody observed them eating something spinning it back out,

737
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: and that's how it came to be. Yeah, that's good.

738
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 1: And somebody wrote in after they read that and said

739
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: that they were relieved to here. This is great because

740
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: they hunted an area, a swampy area that seems to

741
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: have a lot of these things. And there was one

742
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: instance where this guy was boat hunting and he shot

743
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: a buck that ran off, and he gave it a

744
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: few hours, and he went and started tracking it and

745
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: after a few hundred yards he lost blood. He was

746
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: down to just like pin sized bits of blood that

747
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: he couldn't see in the dark, and he thought that

748
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: this buck was lost. He wasn't gonna be able to

749
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: find it. The blood trail was gone. At that point.

750
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: He noticed like as he was kind of going down

751
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 1: this trail on his hands and knees that a bunch

752
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: of daddy long legs were congregating in certain areas every

753
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: few feet, and those daddy long legs once he kind

754
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: of shoot him away and noticed that they were on

755
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: these pin sized bits of blood. Yeah, and so he

756
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: actually used that for a long time to track this

757
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: deer by watching where these daddy long legs were congregating,

758
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: and was able to find that buck about five yards away.

759
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 1: Don't you feel as a writer that if you're gonna

760
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: take what you heard about daddy long legs being venomous

761
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: and go out and find the truth of it, right

762
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: and and do all that, don't you find that that

763
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: contradicts a little bit? You then taking what this gentleman

764
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: said and putting it out there as though we're sure

765
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: that this is what happened. Yes, that's a good point.

766
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: Something something that you might go to a daddy long

767
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: leg um and caught your finger and put drop of

768
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: blood and see if he in fact is interested in it. Um.

769
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: I think that'd be a cool test. Something that I

770
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: learned while writing this is that you can't listen to anybody,

771
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: but you should. You should actually embrace like seeing daddy

772
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: long legs around because their nature's little vacuums. These things

773
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: will eat dead bugs, a fids, flies, fungus, moss, bird droppings, worms, snails.

774
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: It's not if there was this matted down area in

775
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: a swamp and blood was fallen there and there was

776
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of daddy long legs. I could see this happening,

777
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: that they were picking up on where this blood was

778
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: at and like congregating to that area. Have we talked before?

779
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: I believe we have. I'm sure I don't you. Have

780
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: we talked before about the fooled by randomness? Yes? Yeah, yeah,

781
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: fooled by coincidence. Yeah, I'm aware this is very anecdotal,

782
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: but we need to dig into it. But we don't.

783
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: Have had to quite revise the Big Game Hunting Butchering

784
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 1: Cooking guide Book to include that into the blood trailing section.

785
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: Not quite yet, but maybe someday, because I think we

786
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: should sell box day long legs and when you lose

787
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: a trail, you scatter them around, giving him an pick

788
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: trail back up again. Box of ten thousand day long

789
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: like no venom, and they're numbered one through ten. Yeah,

790
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: no venom. Uh, it's about it for precursory stuff. Oh,

791
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Danielle is gonna talk about Oh, no, one more quick thing.

792
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: So cal's here, Spencer, you've been hearing from already, Danielle Pruett,

793
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: it's here, Yanni, and then uh, there's a weird thing

794
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 1: where there's a guy named Phil here who's always here,

795
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: but he used to always be behind um a yellow

796
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: curtain sometimes here, sometimes President engineering behind the curtain. But

797
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: Phil now has got himself a new station, no Mike,

798
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: but he's got a new station and he's present. So

799
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: if you can feel the aura of of someone, you're

800
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: feeling Phil, I'm gonna take a little video and we'll

801
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: post it so people can see Phil behind an Okay, Spencer,

802
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: would you might slide in your mic or to fill

803
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: from it? I wasn't sure if I had permission to speak,

804
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: But all right, how's it going, phil Um? Of the

805
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: things we've talked about so far, do you have anything

806
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: that you What has been your general impression the show

807
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: so far? I learned something new every single time I

808
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: sat in here. Has anyone said anything yet? And you're like,

809
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: this person is so stupid. There's no way that's true.

810
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: I wish they weren't here. No, not at all. No,

811
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: this is it's good programming. If anyone's heard the Hunting Collective.

812
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: I've been on a couple of times, and people who

813
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: listen to that know that this is not my world

814
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: at all. I ask, Yeah, I was hired because I

815
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: know how to twiddle knobs and and click buttons on

816
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: a computer and make this show sound good. Uh, but

817
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: you haven't heard anything so far that you thought was

818
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: just like like just like you like these people are horrible? No,

819
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Yeah, like being a front and center or

820
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: do you like kind of having your own little office

821
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: back there? Well, so, I mean Steve kind of brought

822
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: this up earlier when he saw me. My mind wandered

823
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: and I was staring into the far the far distance.

824
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: What were you thinking about their bill? I was honestly

825
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: thinking about a way to set these these boom arms

826
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: up to ak you happy you're doing work. I was

827
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: doing work, I thought, I called you not doing work. No,

828
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: I was drifting off. I was trying to picture, like

829
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 1: how how I could make this better. So I just

830
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: wanted you to know you were still at work. I'm

831
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: on the clock because I had I had actually already

832
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: emailed to have your paid docked by thirty seconds. But okay,

833
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah, so that's why I, at

834
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: least behind my curtain, I was safe from you catching

835
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: me thinking about with my eyes kind of partially crossed. Yeah,

836
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I'm I'm happy to be here doing

837
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: good so far. Yeah, thank you. Um Danielle, can you

838
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: tell everyone about the proper way to about the property

839
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: to ground brown ground meat? Yeah, So I started filming

840
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: that because many many times when I first started cooking,

841
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: I you know, you read arrest being you're like brown

842
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: the meat and then step to you do whatever you're

843
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: doing after, and it's just like this overlooked process. And

844
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: I started to realize that browning to meat actually means

845
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: that it should be brown. And and if you think

846
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: about any other recipe, say you're about to brace something,

847
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: why do we sear the meat before we stick it

848
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: inside of a brazen liquid. It's to sear it, you're

849
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: creating the mired reaction amino acids. They start caramelizing when

850
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: it's the chemical chemical reaction between amino acids and protein

851
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 1: when introduced to heat. They that's what's going on, and

852
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: something gets crispy. Yeah, when you see hear something and

853
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: you get that brown exterior, that golden crust. That is

854
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: the reaction that's happening, and that is what flavor is.

855
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: And I read something really interesting about that. Many years ago,

856
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: from an evolutionary endpoint, humans began to learn what was

857
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: safe to eat based on that reaction. So when you

858
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: when you see it, when you have that reaction happening,

859
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 1: it's the smell of roasted meats, toasted bread, coffee, all

860
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: of those like roasty, nutty flavors that are happening. You know,

861
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 1: you start to salivate when you smell barbecue or something

862
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: being cooked. Um, And so I thought that was kind

863
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 1: of an interesting, interesting thing, like why do you start salivating.

864
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: It's you're telling your brain that this is good to eat.

865
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 1: I can it's safe. So anyway, so you have these

866
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: reactions happening in the pan, and that built a lot

867
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: of flavor for what it. Whatever it is you're cooking

868
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 1: and browning meat is really the same principle. So instead

869
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: of just browning meat, just to cook meat through, because

870
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: you're usually gonna add other things to it, like if

871
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna make a taco or like a pasta, like

872
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: a bowl, these type of thing, you're still going to

873
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: cook it and add other things to it, so it's

874
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: not about really cooking the meat, it's about developing more

875
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: flavor into the overall dish. I'm not trying to teach

876
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: people this is how you cook meat through I mean,

877
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: I mean, this is how you make something better. Is

878
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: what I wanted to show because I think it's just

879
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: very overlooked. And so I did that little video, which

880
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: is just one way of browning meat in the way

881
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: that I I did that was based off the fact

882
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: that the meat was freshly ground. So like, that's another

883
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: thing you should pay attention to. I personally like to

884
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 1: grind meat and cook it instantly instead of I used

885
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 1: to grind everything all at once when I was processing

886
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,480
Speaker 1: the deer, package it all up and then freeze it.

887
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: And then I hated that mushy texture. Oh yeah, but

888
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's just like that's like but you

889
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: can't but that's a convenience thing. Yeah, I know. I

890
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: got two ways. So the way that I showed on

891
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,879
Speaker 1: the video was because it was freshly ground, you get

892
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: all these like separated strands from like being extruded in

893
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: the grinder, and you can separate it in the pan

894
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: and you get all these nice little crispy bits. Now,

895
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: if you have a package of ground meat defrosted and

896
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: you notice that it's just sort of in a in

897
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: a in a patty form, well you should definitely pat

898
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: it really dry first with paper towels. I always do that,

899
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: in fact, if it's really really bloody. Um, Like if

900
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, if you're grinding meat and like you're washing

901
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: meat and you're grinding and like everything is just there's

902
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: like a lot of water, and then you freeze it

903
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: like that, and then you package it up and there's

904
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: just tons of juices. I don't even set inside of

905
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: a strainer, sat inside of another bowl and leave it

906
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: in the refrigerator for several to Yeah, I get all

907
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: that juice out. I used that nice Lexan thing that

908
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: you guys started using up at the fish Shack, those

909
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: like lex and containers that have the like the like

910
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: the that's a good ass container, man. But you know

911
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: what my the and we used to get those an

912
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: anchorage and that that that that the places sold in

913
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: the restaurant and supply a places sold that line picked

914
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: up another line which isn't as good strainer. You can

915
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: buy them just right down here at J and V

916
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: on mend hole. Well they got him in town with

917
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: the strainers. Yeah, they got the lids. Yeah, I always

918
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: get him out of Maybe my brother get him forward.

919
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: You you know ce to clean your rice. No, you

920
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: know service containers. You know what alex san is lexan container.

921
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: It's a material. It's just a hard plastic that they

922
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: use in restaurants that like you can have hotel pans,

923
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: half pans, all the different sized pans made out of

924
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: if you don't want but you put hot it, you

925
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: put hot water, and you put hot liquids in it.

926
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: You got away from the cool. Yeah, like any of

927
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: those plastics that you see in the in a restaurant kitchen.

928
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: But these are like commercial food service containers that are

929
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,840
Speaker 1: like the most anyone that hunts and fishes should have

930
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: these things. I don't care what the hell brand you buy.

931
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: This is a hot tip right here. Let's yeah. And

932
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: the lid, like you want to talk about lid? You

933
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: got lids? I don't. I don't even know what kind

934
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: I have. But the strainer, but the bottom it's basically

935
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: a plate that sits maybe an inch off the bottom

936
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: on little half inch okay, half an inch on like

937
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: little plastic legs and it's just perforated. So whatever you

938
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: put in there when you're throwing it out, it just

939
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: naturally has a place to go. Yeah. Man, you put

940
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: like your fish there, you put your fish filets in there,

941
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: and put it in your fridge. They're not basing in

942
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 1: their own works, just like your strainer and bowl is

943
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: just like another thing to have in your kitchen, but

944
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: a better thing. I just got, you know, the like

945
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: the old like they look like flower pedals that come

946
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: out a little steamer bass. I just got one of

947
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: those for free. It's probably thirty years old. But that

948
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: thing's great for putting in a variety of containers for

949
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: just this exact thing because it'll you know, forms to

950
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: a bowl, but also you can just like lay it

951
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: out there on a plate. Let's stuff dry out. Uh.

952
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: I want to get back to this though, because home

953
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: and now, why is it important to have dry meat? Well?

954
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: I want to comment on this because I know it.

955
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: Sometimes will be in a restaurant that like prides themselves

956
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: on their hamburgers and they like to point out never

957
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,959
Speaker 1: been frozen. And I always felt like they were taking

958
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: a hit at me because I always grind up my

959
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 1: meat and freeze it, man, you get some watery asked

960
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: burger from freezing. Yeah, when you like freeze burger and

961
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: thought out, a lot of water gets released from that.

962
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: And it's funny you mentioned like that you're sometimes grind

963
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: in it up and it's not dry. Yeah. Um, while

964
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: whenever you're freezing, those liquids expand puncture the meat, and

965
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: so you do lose more juices. So that's why when

966
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 1: before you freeze it, you're like, yeah, there's just a

967
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: little bit of juices in there, no big deal. And

968
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: then you defrost it and you're like, where did this

969
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 1: come from? Looks like somebody you know anyway, So yeah, draining,

970
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: straining it out, patting it really dry and then if

971
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: it'd already sort of in a mound like question, Okay,

972
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: how if you take a paper towel and go to

973
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: pet ground meat doesn't just stick to the paper towel, No,

974
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: huh made a little bit and you can just dry

975
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: it off. Are you padding like the brick of meat

976
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: or you like spreading the actually put it out on

977
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: a big I use sheet trace for like all prep work. Um,

978
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: either big sheet tray, spread it out in a thin

979
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 1: layer and I'll take several pieces of paper towels, set

980
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 1: it on top until it all blots as dry as

981
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: I can, or as much as I have the patience.

982
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: What's your paper towel budget? I go through like one

983
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: pack of paper towel a year. Really, Oh my god,

984
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: because he because he gets sucked in much for drying meat.

985
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: I was at a dude towel, but I don't use

986
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: it for anything else, like if I spill something, or like,

987
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, like kitchen cleaning. I don't ya. I was

988
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: at a guy's house recently and he I don't know,

989
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: but I assume he has an anti paper towel agenda.

990
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: So he's using kitchen towels and we're cleaning fish and

991
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: everything's getting like kitchen toweled. And then I looked at

992
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: the pile of stuff that needs to be washed. It's

993
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: gotta smell so bad. Well, I'm just like wandering. Like

994
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: when you factor in the wall, like, I don't know.

995
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't know about industrial processes, when you factor in

996
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: like a bunch of andre and the soaps and water usage,

997
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: I don't really know. Like I don't know what goes

998
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: into making parent, you know, I think that one load

999
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: of towels is less energy or environment. However, you when

1000
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: you put is, I would think sowels' I'd be curious

1001
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: to not because I remember thinking like, oh, that's a

1002
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: cool idea. He doesn't use paper towels. But then after

1003
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: while I'm like, but he damn sure he uses his

1004
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: laundry machine. Oh yeah, yeah. I was camping with my

1005
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: mom my stepdad, and my stepdad was telling me how

1006
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: my mother has reduced him to a two paper towel

1007
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: two squares of paper towel per day a lot, because

1008
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: she felt that his paper towel use was just way

1009
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: over the top. So my mothers paper towels so much

1010
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: that when she set something on the table, she likes

1011
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: to set it she likes to put a paper towel down,

1012
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: like let's say, but for anything. So let's say she

1013
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: has remembered that she needs to take like a medical

1014
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: like a pill, like like like she has to take

1015
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: an ibuprofen. Later after she eats, she will I don't know, watch,

1016
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, but uh, she'll lay

1017
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: down a paper towel and then put the pill on it.

1018
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: And then what is the life of the paper towel

1019
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 1: after that it's done. My great grandmother used to babysit

1020
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: us a lot, and you know she was she went

1021
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 1: through the depression, and I remember, I remember she would

1022
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: she would take those paper towels, wash them, airm dry amount.

1023
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: I mean she would use a piece of paper towel

1024
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: until like it was just nothing but just disintegrated. That's interesting.

1025
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it about my my great aunts

1026
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: did that too, Dan Bagan's wife our fish shackle dry

1027
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 1: them out, depending what's going on. Yeah, where nothing dries,

1028
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: I'll propose in the Ronella household, I think we have

1029
01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: a healthy relationship with paper towels. Uh, we have them

1030
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: and now and then we use a couple. That's it. Okay,

1031
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: we have a healthy relationship with them. I'm doing a

1032
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: better job with plastics in the kitchen. I switched out

1033
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: to all the reusable ziplock bag stuff. Re expensive. They're expensive,

1034
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 1: so you like really yeah, because when you wash them,

1035
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 1: I just flip them inside out, scrub them and then

1036
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: they kind of prop up to air dry inside out.

1037
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: That's what I was worried about, was like getting dirty

1038
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 1: and the like crevices what do they call. Once I

1039
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 1: bought were stashers. Yeah, it looks like a zip Maybe

1040
01:04:56,600 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: mine were very heavy due retails more instead of like

1041
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: like through a dishwasher. Can you see what's in it? Yeah,

1042
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: you can get clear or colored. Dude, How might I

1043
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 1: have to get a couple of I probably bought six

1044
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: or eight of them, various sizes from like you know,

1045
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: small little snack pack too. I think the biggest one

1046
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: I got was a gallon and I think I spent

1047
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: a hundred bucks with shipping. How many do you wind

1048
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: up with? Six or eight? Well, they're good for what

1049
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: they're used for. You know, we're not going to travel

1050
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: to Alaska and then put a bunch of caribou meat

1051
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 1: in them and instead of using zip blocks and fly

1052
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: back with them. You know, that's not what they're for.

1053
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,000
Speaker 1: But for like instead of using zip blocks around the house.

1054
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: They're great. Let me do this environ Let me do

1055
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: an environmental test on you. I turned you onto uh

1056
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,720
Speaker 1: if I say so myself. Pretty nice chantral mushroom spot

1057
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Yes, thank you very much. You went

1058
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 1: out there and did pretty well for yourself. Right, I

1059
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 1: feel like you told me that you had two plastic

1060
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: bags full of mushrooms that's right. It what kind grocery plastic? Yeah,

1061
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: re using them. That's a good point. You're recycled. Do

1062
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: you want to get back to ground meat? I mean

1063
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: vax steal bags. No. I thought you said you were

1064
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: gonna start doing that. Oh what am I saying? No? No,

1065
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 1: no, no no no? Oh man, you want to hear a

1066
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: story about that? I did. I just washed one, drive

1067
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: it and put it back up. Awesome. I've done one sample.

1068
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: But check this out. Last night, I'm putting some stuff

1069
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 1: away in my garage. The other day, we went over

1070
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: to Um to the Roscoe family for dinner. Kurt's been

1071
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: on the show before Stone Gracier backpacks. Uh, Kurt Roscoe,

1072
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: founder and designer. He's been on the podcast. Uh. And

1073
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: maybe we had some guy wrote in about how he's

1074
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: harder than a woodpecker's lips. Anybody's went to the Roscoe

1075
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: family for dinner and I brought over as a you

1076
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: know when you go to someone's house, you bring him

1077
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: a little gift. I brought over a um a bunch

1078
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: of fish, haliban whatnot. And I brought it over one

1079
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: of those hoppers, a yetie hopper, and I was like,

1080
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: hate it as a bunch of fish in their go

1081
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: ahead and put in your freezer, and then I bring

1082
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,400
Speaker 1: my thing home. Well when they don't know this yet,

1083
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: but when they were emptying the bag out, they failed

1084
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: to grab This is a couple of weeks ago, failed

1085
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: to grab out a pack of halib it. Last night,

1086
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm in my garage and I'm like, what in the

1087
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: world is that? It's a smell that I I've smelled

1088
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: some smells in my day, like I have smelled h

1089
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: I would ventures to have smelled more smells than of Americans. Um.

1090
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: And this smell was hard to place, and it was

1091
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,160
Speaker 1: hard to track down, and because like you know, you

1092
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,960
Speaker 1: don't think to look in certain places. And I eventually

1093
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: realized that they had left a pack of halib it

1094
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: and it was in a wet, some backseal bag. The

1095
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: bag hadn't failed, but it had puffed up like it

1096
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: was gonna explode with a hunk of green halibit inside

1097
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: of it. You ever see a link cod that has

1098
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: that phenomena? Were day they have blue flesh that it's

1099
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: a name for it. Green Lane got it too. This

1100
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 1: had turned like an iridescent green inside that bag bag.

1101
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: And I handled very delicately because they had blown up

1102
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: like a balloon but hadn't ruptured. No liquid, but you

1103
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 1: could smell it. The smell smell it, and it was

1104
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: smelly in the bag. I bleached out the hopperd it's fine.

1105
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: No liquid had come out, but somehow it had. It

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01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: had gotten so putrid that had put off like a

1107
01:08:53,240 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 1: putrid effort. The liquids couldn't, but the gas just stinch

1108
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: of this rotten flesh. So this was the first bag

1109
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: that he rinsed down and decided to try to reuse.

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01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: You know what I did do, though, is I went

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01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: and put it in my I was afraid because I

1112
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna put in my garbage because there's a few

1113
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: days coming and bears will get into it. Why not

1114
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: you didn't hang it up on the on the kid's

1115
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: piece of wood that they throw a star hanging on

1116
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 1: the throwing star target. I put it into my freezer

1117
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 1: and then I made it look unappealing and just make

1118
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: sure no one thought, I wrapped it up with some

1119
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: other ship and put in my freezer and then I'm

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01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 1: gonna throw it in the garbage. But my guy, was

1121
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: that bad smell. But one time, uh, when I was

1122
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: living my brother daniel Alaska. We brought home some halibit

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01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: and we had put him in a dry bag and

1124
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 1: then put the dry bag in the cooler. I don't

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01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: know why, and someone had forgot to pack a halib

1126
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,960
Speaker 1: and there, and we took his gear room apart three

1127
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: times trying to find out what smelled, and no one

1128
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: ever thought to look inside of folded up, rolled up

1129
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: dry bag until the third time. We took everything apart

1130
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: and eventually found that rotten, say, act of fish. You

1131
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: should have had a box of Yanni's patented non venomous

1132
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: Daddy long legs, turn them loose with with pits on them,

1133
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 1: pit tags on them, and track them to the rock

1134
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: to the stink. We covered everything else. We're back to uh,

1135
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: back to me, Yeah, we're good. On side notes. The

1136
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: thing that Danielle is going to answer my question now

1137
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: about is it important to have dry meat when you

1138
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 1: when you go to brown itt. Uh. Well, very good question.

1139
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: And this supplies across the board for searing things that moisture.

1140
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: When it hits the pan, it's steaming the meat. It's

1141
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: not going to create a crust. So this means if

1142
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: you pull it right out of the fridge and immediately

1143
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: hit the pan. What happens, It steams because it's really

1144
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: cold hitting high heat. The same thing happens if you're

1145
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: gonna grill a fish whole skin on. If you put

1146
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: it on the grill while it's still cold, it's going

1147
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: to start steaming. And then that skin doesn't get crispy,

1148
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna stick to the stick to the grill grates. Um.

1149
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, so drying it out, doing the best you

1150
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: can to prevent excess moisture will give you the best

1151
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: chance for getting a crust. I feel that of the

1152
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 1: ground meat I've browned in my life, and I've browned

1153
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: a fair bit of it. I feel like that I've

1154
01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: boiled most of it because we you know, like if

1155
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: you're lazy, you don't thought out well even I'll even

1156
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 1: take like the frozen wat of it and put some

1157
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: oil in the botta of the pan and just speed

1158
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: thought in the pan. And so you know what I mean,

1159
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: It is not browned. It's like you're basically you should say,

1160
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna boil up a bag of ground meat.

1161
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: That's what you're basically doing is like steaming. Yeah, you

1162
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 1: can put your broccoli right on top of the time. Yeah,

1163
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: you've never done that, You've never gotten like that lazy. No,

1164
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: I've I've been done a lot of lazy things. Um,

1165
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: I've gotten to the you know, I've gotten to the

1166
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: point where I This is a famous line my father

1167
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: in lie father in law told me a long time ago,

1168
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: and I'm stealing it. Be careful what you introduce your

1169
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: taste buds do, because why don't you start doing things

1170
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: the right way? You just can't go backwards, you know,

1171
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:39,200
Speaker 1: like once it's hard, like when I know it's something

1172
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: is supposed to taste, like taking a bag of half

1173
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: frozen meat and it's like, I'm just gonna throw it in.

1174
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: It's not that I wouldn't do it that way, it's

1175
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: just I would I wouldn't say I'm going to go

1176
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: brown the meat. I would just say, why don't we

1177
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: just slow cook this with a bunch of liquids because

1178
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: it's already got a ton of liquids in there, so

1179
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: just skip the browning step. Are there any exceptions to it?

1180
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: Like or do you do this when you're doing chilia?

1181
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's not that you have to do it

1182
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: that way, it's just think of it as a better

1183
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: way to introduce more flavor, a deeper, richer flavor of

1184
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 1: more meatiness to what you're eating as opposed to Yeah,

1185
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: I think about you know, there's some if you're going

1186
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 1: to cook an onion, there's a difference between sweating an onion,

1187
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: and there's a difference between caramelizing an onion. So that

1188
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: reaction when those sugars and the proteins mixed, they caramelize,

1189
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: that's the crust that's happening. That's that flavor. If you

1190
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 1: are sweating, steaming, introducing heat. You know, think about onions

1191
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: that are just constantly mixed and they taste so much

1192
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: more mild and flavor. They're not as sugary. You don't.

1193
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 1: You don't have the same. So it's not necessarily that

1194
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one way is right or wrong. I'm

1195
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: just saying there's there's ways to make it better. You

1196
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:00,759
Speaker 1: can have rich, full, meaty flavor or boiled meat exactly.

1197
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: So what's the next step in the process. You've petted it, dry,

1198
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: heat your pan ripping hot. Yeah, I'm back and forth

1199
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: on how hot to do things. Once the pan's hot,

1200
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: then I add oil and you know, when the pan's

1201
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: hot and oil is hot. What's your royalties days your

1202
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: avocado oil? Grape high heat? That Costco avocado oil is

1203
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: hard to be Is that really? Like? I like, I

1204
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: use Gee a lot. So that's another thing. I just

1205
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,439
Speaker 1: got a Costco membership and I feel like I'm just

1206
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 1: like on full blown path to being a yuppie. I

1207
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: have never shopped at Costco buying. And what was your

1208
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,839
Speaker 1: old What was your father in law talking about careful,

1209
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: what you introduce your taste? What was he referring to?

1210
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 1: I know, like that that really resonated with me eating Okay,

1211
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: he said that to me when I was when when

1212
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: I was still dating my husband now husband, he took

1213
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,680
Speaker 1: us out to eat as nice steakhouse. I'd never had

1214
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: full gral before before, and it was a nice bottle

1215
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: of wine. And before we ate it, he's like, be

1216
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: careful what you introduced your taste? Butts to you and

1217
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm officially ruined um anyway, But I

1218
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: just like saying that. No, it's good because you know,

1219
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: I had never had a lot of exposure to cultured,

1220
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: moneyed people until I moved to Montana, and I didn't

1221
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: know about good coffee. I didn't know about high end coffee.

1222
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 1: We just drank coffe from the gas states, totally happy

1223
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 1: with it. I never thought there was any problem. Yeah,

1224
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: then I found out about fancy coffee. It's hard to go.

1225
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: Then I recognized that the gas station coffee, but but

1226
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: I never realized the problem with it. And then the

1227
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: hot dogs on the rollers and gas stations. Never had

1228
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 1: any problem with those hot dogs. Yeah, then you found

1229
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: out them. Yeah, I mean there are like but you

1230
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: know there's a different are Yeah, there are all their

1231
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 1: hot dogs out there in the world. Right. I think

1232
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a really it's a really great it's

1233
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: a good observation that your old man had or your dad,

1234
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,759
Speaker 1: your husband's all man. Yeah, I think it's just something

1235
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 1: that the more I cook, the more that I just

1236
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: enjoy relishing the way things are supposed to taste, and

1237
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: they want to make it the best every time. And

1238
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: sure there's plenty of times where I'm really lazy, But

1239
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 1: if I'm going to do something the lazy way and

1240
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: then I'm just not going to cook that wricipe, I'm

1241
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,640
Speaker 1: just gonna cook something simpler. Can you tell something to

1242
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: your father in law when you see him next is

1243
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: he still alive? Tell him when he says that next day,

1244
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: not necessarily, and then tell him that I've actually kind

1245
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: of like over time I used to be. I got

1246
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 1: for a while really interested and really like complicated good food.

1247
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: Then I got kind of sick of it. Yeah now

1248
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, now I got sick of it. Now. I

1249
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 1: just like things that look like I just now. I

1250
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:48,560
Speaker 1: like food that looks like a guru out of the

1251
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: ground or just got chopped out of an animal. That's

1252
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 1: like my normal. That's like how I like it to look.

1253
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: I like to look like it looked like it was

1254
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: alive a minute ago. And I gotten away from stuff

1255
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 1: that's hard to make. I think that's true for anybody

1256
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 1: the more that you cook. When I started cooking, I

1257
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: wanted Demi place on every time I ate a steak,

1258
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 1: and it was just everything got so rich and so heavy.

1259
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: And then I kind of scaled back to just eating

1260
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:14,640
Speaker 1: food the way they're meant to be in and I

1261
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: could pure form and we appreciate the natural nous in.

1262
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: And when you start eating that way, everything becomes more

1263
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 1: bolder flavors without the need of like salt. I'm really

1264
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: sensitive to salt. Now I don't. I don't like to

1265
01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: have really salty foods um, But no, I get what

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01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 1: you're saying is like kind of scaling down to the

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01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,720
Speaker 1: basic natural. Yeah, Like if you could went to my

1268
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: house at dinner time, any jack as could come in

1269
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 1: and look at the table and be like and he

1270
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 1: would tell you everything that was on the table, like

1271
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 1: everything that was in everything. Just be well, it's like

1272
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: some lettuce, you know, that's like this, that's like that.

1273
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 1: It's no, there's nothing, just stuff that came out of

1274
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: the dirt. Man. I'd be like, where's the demo class? No,

1275
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Man Like, But for a

1276
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 1: while I was into really making stuff that was complicated

1277
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: because I just thought it was fun to make it,

1278
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: it was fun to eat. It's really good, but it

1279
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 1: has got burned out, so tell him. Tell them like

1280
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: up to a point. But then people get old and

1281
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: they go the other direction, and then there's like the

1282
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 1: category of nostalgia meals too. You know, it's like we

1283
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 1: didn't the bulk of what we ate as far as

1284
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: like day to day growing up as a kid was

1285
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 1: not anywhere near super thought out or gore mat you know,

1286
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 1: like the whole genre of casse roles helped by Campbell's Yeah,

1287
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: like back when I don't know, I imagine people still

1288
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 1: do it. But um, like, were there as certain meals

1289
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: your mom would make and they were almost patterned, Like

1290
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: your mom made like eight things, and they were they

1291
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: sort of repeated, Yeah, would you like this, Like there's

1292
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: like meat like that you make, there's like, you know,

1293
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: like there's meat loaf, and then they make a sheet

1294
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: pizza and they make this and then like the next Tuesday,

1295
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,880
Speaker 1: it just kind of starts over. Next Tuesday, it's going

1296
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 1: to be a casserole. So my kids claim that there's

1297
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of that going on in my house now. Again,

1298
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,760
Speaker 1: but back to your father in law's advice, I don't

1299
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: think that necessarily means fancy over prepared food because in

1300
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: the case of FLI gra like that's usually served very

1301
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 1: very simply seared, salt and pepper, maybe may or may

1302
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: not have a little sauce on it. Um, and so

1303
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 1: it could be something like for me, I never really

1304
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,719
Speaker 1: had good seafood until I was well into my twenties,

1305
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 1: and when I first started eating and I was like,

1306
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: holy shit, this is I need more of this. Yeah,

1307
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: that's a great point, necessarily as a gourmet perspective as

1308
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:03,479
Speaker 1: it is, as it is earning to appreciate things. Um

1309
01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: like what I'm saying. Brown, properly browned meat adds so

1310
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 1: much flavor, And once you start doing it that way,

1311
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: I appreciate it so much that I can't not brown

1312
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:20,919
Speaker 1: it if I'm cooking ground meat like that. Again, careful

1313
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: what you're what you're introducing yourself to you because now

1314
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 1: every time you go to cook, you're gonna have a

1315
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: level of expectation. Yeah, I think I was guilty of

1316
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 1: trying to jam in an unrelated point, not still, I

1317
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: mean it's still applicable because if you went and uh,

1318
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: properly browned some ground and venison and then did the

1319
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: old like boil, the accidental boil, and then there's put

1320
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: a little salt on each and had a fork full

1321
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 1: of each the brown with like the nice crisp and

1322
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 1: everything is a whole other world. Yeah, not even the

1323
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: same thing, definitely. But have you got so particular that

1324
01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: you don't like to just freeze up a hundred pounds

1325
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: of grind like you're pulling the damn grinder out. I

1326
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: don't expect anybody to. Okay, So it's different because now

1327
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 1: this is my job and so I get to be

1328
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: at home and I get to do this. And I

1329
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: think if anybody wanted to go this route, I would

1330
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: just say, make make time on a Sunday or whatever

1331
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: day you have off and grind three pounds four pounds

1332
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,920
Speaker 1: of meat and just eat it throughout the week instead

1333
01:21:33,960 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: of like every night, I gotta get the grinder out,

1334
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 1: If that makes any sense. I mean it makes a

1335
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: difference to me, and I like doing it that way,

1336
01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:48,760
Speaker 1: but it's it's just not really practical, it's not, but

1337
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: it does make a difference. I read that somewhere to

1338
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:52,920
Speaker 1: once and try to do it. I think for something

1339
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: like if you're like really going to serve some burgers

1340
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 1: to guests, it might be worth it, right, But if

1341
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: you're doing tacos and chili for the kids, like, yeah,

1342
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: something like chili that's already going to be braised in

1343
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: a lot of liquids, I don't think it matters that much.

1344
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,839
Speaker 1: So this kid brings me to my second way of browning.

1345
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,759
Speaker 1: So like the first way, well don't if we finished

1346
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 1: this one, Yeah, it's we haven't finished it. Version of

1347
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: this show, Phil take note. Maybe we make an edited

1348
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 1: version where all the dumb ships cut out. It's just

1349
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 1: like the actual stuff that matters. A five minute version

1350
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: of the podcast, which is like what matters, and then

1351
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: you get your nine minute version with all the stupid

1352
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:41,160
Speaker 1: shit in it. Yeah. Million, So far you've got the

1353
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: meat that's padded dry, a pan that is piping hot

1354
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: with boil, and then yeah, so I was just saying, like,

1355
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 1: if it's a fresh grind, you can actually separate like

1356
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: each each meat strand that's extrude. You can separate and

1357
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:58,120
Speaker 1: you get lots of teeny tying crispy bits. But when

1358
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 1: you defrost it from the freezer, it's all sign it

1359
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 1: sort of mashed together. So I put it in the

1360
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: pan in one flat layer, smashed together. Let a whole

1361
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: brown as if you're browning a giant patty, and then

1362
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:14,439
Speaker 1: take a spatch and flip the whole thing over. Definitely

1363
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 1: off on, we'll trap the steam you want to release

1364
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:24,800
Speaker 1: the liquids anyway. That's I'm done with the browning of

1365
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: the meat. Just satisfied with that. Yeah, But that that's

1366
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 1: part that's like the one way to do it. That's

1367
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: a second way I mean it's some individual. I'm just saying,

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01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:41,200
Speaker 1: if you can separate it out, if it's like fresh grind.

1369
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 1: If it's not a fresh grind, then you can form

1370
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 1: a flat patty to cover the whole pan. But you

1371
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 1: gotta leave it alone, let a nice crisp develop and

1372
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:53,040
Speaker 1: then flip the whole thing and brown it all on

1373
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 1: the break. That like a giant thin giant. Yeah. Yeah,

1374
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: I would like to say it with my catchum kitchen.

1375
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: I had for a show to kitchen all sorts of content,

1376
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,559
Speaker 1: but I had a hand grinder that was there all

1377
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 1: the time, just lived on the counter and it I mean,

1378
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: it takes less than ten minutes to grind burgers for

1379
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:26,680
Speaker 1: six people, as long as the meats pretty you know,

1380
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: in a in a good place to grind. It was

1381
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 1: it a grinder or a paster grinder? It was a

1382
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: grinder ground. What's a past like doesn't work? That's yeah, yeah,

1383
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: puts out like it puts out like a Bologny paste. Yeah,

1384
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: likewa whatever, everything like we have growing up, we had

1385
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,680
Speaker 1: like what we called like the grinder. It was a

1386
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 1: hand grinder. In hindsight, it was like it was like

1387
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 1: if you'd like put all your meat between a couple

1388
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,600
Speaker 1: of steel plates and then draw car a handful of

1389
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 1: times and then like put that in a bag and

1390
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:08,160
Speaker 1: frols it. That was our ground. No, no, but yeah,

1391
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: hand grinder it. And you know the beauty of the

1392
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 1: hand grinder is that it is very simple to clean too.

1393
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: And I think they're small enough to where mentally you're

1394
01:25:20,640 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: not thinking that you're taking on some big endeavor. Dude,

1395
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: Am I to start keeping a hand grinder? It's great.

1396
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: Put your hands in there and no grind your hands

1397
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: off makes a serious, serious difference. I think fresh burger,

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01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 1: what fat content are you guys going? Oh, yeah, that's

1399
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 1: a good question for you, Daniel. Yeah, you know, I

1400
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: think if you're going to make a sausage you definitely

1401
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:48,320
Speaker 1: need fat. Is that all you do? I if I

1402
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: had to pick one for the rest of my life,

1403
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 1: I would do fifteen for burger and I do heavier

1404
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: twenty for sausage. You do more than twenty for sausage. Yeah,

1405
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:04,599
Speaker 1: Like we've done the wild game, We've done getting fat,

1406
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: getting fancy wild game flavored meat. Yes, I'm glad you're

1407
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: bringing this up. I was going to a chef Buddy

1408
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,560
Speaker 1: Mileag just in town a couple of weekends ago, and

1409
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 1: I was lamenting to him how the first time I

1410
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:20,120
Speaker 1: made Steve ken Drots fennel sauce address be it's not his,

1411
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 1: but he shared it with us. I call it his

1412
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,599
Speaker 1: same way I call the marriage thing yours. It's pork fat,

1413
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: and this is actly it's like pork pork fat, dude,

1414
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 1: this is a This is some good pork fat venison.

1415
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: And the recipe actually calls for venison. It's not beef

1416
01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: or or whatever veal um, yeah, which is still beef,

1417
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: but it's and it's wonderful sausage. But when you cook it,

1418
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 1: no matter how slow and carefully you do it, because

1419
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: the slower, lower temperature you do you shouldn't shouldn't lose

1420
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 1: as much fat, you still end up with, like I mean,

1421
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 1: a solid if you're cooking six links in a pan,

1422
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,360
Speaker 1: there's a solid inch of fat when you take them

1423
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: out right. So I'm like, dude, this sucks, like I'm

1424
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 1: losing something, but the sausage is still so good. Like

1425
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: I didn't want to change anything, and like he was here,

1426
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: like poaching the meat. In fact, that'd be called frying.

1427
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 1: But you do it inside too, And if you do

1428
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 1: that low enough tamp you really don't fry. But that's

1429
01:27:25,160 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 1: a but he was saying the quality and the time, Yeah,

1430
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 1: but it was a funny, appreciate it. But he was saying,

1431
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: the type of fat from where on the pig and

1432
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: the quality of it will have a lot to do

1433
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:44,360
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah. But this dude, Yann he's talking about

1434
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 1: cut I quick. This dude Yanni's talking about is so

1435
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: next level that he Okay, if he's making coffee he

1436
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 1: takes a filter and runs hot water through it for

1437
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 1: to get out the flavor of the paper factory, like

1438
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 1: a regular old brown paper filter or a white one.

1439
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 1: He gives it like a Yeah, he was not careful

1440
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: about his taste buds. He did not father in law.

1441
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: He has not met your father in law. No, he's

1442
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 1: been eating truffles and all that stuff. But I'm saying

1443
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: it's legit. But I'm saying this is next level. This

1444
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:31,440
Speaker 1: is next level food prep that goes beyond the aspirations

1445
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 1: of this show. But it's valuable to know anyways. Yeah,

1446
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:39,479
Speaker 1: but I'll I'll dose zero fat additional fat in my burger.

1447
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,640
Speaker 1: It's just like whatever that turns out to be. And

1448
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: I've I've had incredible luck and served that to lots

1449
01:28:46,280 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: and lots of folks that eat nothing but beef burger

1450
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 1: with a lot of fat. Um. But when you're making

1451
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 1: your different sausages, and you know, obviously like the world's

1452
01:28:58,520 --> 01:29:00,400
Speaker 1: your oyster as far as like what want to put

1453
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: into a tube? Um, But yeah, I think some like

1454
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 1: doing a like course ground linked Italian sausage with a

1455
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,439
Speaker 1: bunch of fat in there, and with the going into

1456
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: it with like the way I'm going to prepare these

1457
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 1: is very slow, uh, lower heat, and you get that

1458
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,760
Speaker 1: meat to like poaching that fat. It's very very good.

1459
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 1: And then but and you're also the end result isn't

1460
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: a greasy sausage either, because that that fat is getting

1461
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:37,680
Speaker 1: away from from the meat. I'm sure it's not not

1462
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: for all things all the time, just like most of

1463
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,599
Speaker 1: stuff we talked about. But I don't go, oh god,

1464
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 1: I'm wasting this wild game. Yeah no, I know, man,

1465
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:48,680
Speaker 1: it's like it's a little bit of a sthetic. We've

1466
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 1: talked about it all well. You and I got pretty

1467
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 1: heated when on our Idaho trip um when we were

1468
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: cutting up your buck, because I was like, hey, this

1469
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,160
Speaker 1: this meet is really good this at a whole mule

1470
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 1: deer is gonna be really tasty. And you're like, listen,

1471
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: I need to make sausage. So I'm going to grind

1472
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 1: this deer and basically every chunk of meat that had

1473
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: come up with. I'd be like, yeah, but don't you

1474
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: want this? And You're like, no, I need to make sausage. Um,

1475
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 1: you guts familiar with the cut that that we named

1476
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: after Callahan called the Callahan throat roast, I am, I

1477
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Actually you knew that. I called it

1478
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 1: throat loins like a tenderloin on the track? Who can?

1479
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: Who can take a stab at explaining what a throat

1480
01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: roast is? You had to. You had to break it

1481
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 1: down in the written word. So I haven't done it yet.

1482
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: I'm going to on either side of the trachea. Yeah,

1483
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: Like if you were to extend your chin up to

1484
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: the ceiling right now and then put your two index

1485
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: fingers on either side out of your atom's apple, that

1486
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,280
Speaker 1: big chunk of meat that should be on that in

1487
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: going to the outside. You're doing a great job of

1488
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 1: your neck. Those are your throat rolls or throat tenderlins.

1489
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:20,560
Speaker 1: We're coming up a moose and and someone got to

1490
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 1: digging around and arrow when we're coming it up and

1491
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: found those big on a moose er sizeable. Yes, And

1492
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: I remember Cal was like just thaying like he thought

1493
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:33,280
Speaker 1: he discovered a previously undiscovered roast and you're supposed to

1494
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:37,600
Speaker 1: report back to us. Yeah, it tasted like moose. I

1495
01:31:37,680 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: don't think there is any major discoveries there. What did

1496
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: you find, Daniel? I haven't messed with the yet. I

1497
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: have some ideas, but I don't want to disclose them yet. Okay, yeah,

1498
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:49,240
Speaker 1: but you're gonna do something special to throat rolls. Yeah,

1499
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: I've got them separated. So I've got a trial that

1500
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 1: act and then fix the error and then do it again.

1501
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: Second back unique grain. You know, it's a very cross

1502
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:07,519
Speaker 1: wise and look at it from the side. There's it's

1503
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 1: like it's like a tube inside of a tube. But

1504
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: there's a sheath of silver skin in a circle. That

1505
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: makes sense. It almost reminds you of like a like

1506
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 1: a shank, except there's no bone. Does it make sense? Uh? Daniel?

1507
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:29,160
Speaker 1: Imagine that you're, um, you're dying, okay, trying to think

1508
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: of what's killing You're dying of congenital heart failure no

1509
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:42,000
Speaker 1: very common in the UK. There's name something a bite

1510
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: from a daddy long leg, okay, manage you got bit

1511
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: by daylong. And it turns out that you read Spencer's thing.

1512
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, it doesn't matter you Uh, you started

1513
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,920
Speaker 1: being careless around them. You're out blood trailing a buck

1514
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 1: and they're all over the blood as as they're wanting

1515
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 1: to do. And you lay down to take a nap

1516
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: and um and one gets you and you're dying. And

1517
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: as you expire, someone asked you, like, what's your last

1518
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:18,719
Speaker 1: wild game tip? What would you say? You could pass

1519
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:22,959
Speaker 1: along one wild game tip salt your meat in advance,

1520
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: so you'd be like, um, how far can you do it?

1521
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: As you die? For me? Like SALTI SALTI salt. You

1522
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: come to me, child, I'm leaving this world just for me.

1523
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: Do it not too much? Just a little? Do you

1524
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: do you rub it in? Do you sprinkle on top

1525
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:54,639
Speaker 1: and call it good? Or you get your hands in there?

1526
01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: Watch for that daddy? Do this? You gotta do it all.

1527
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 1: Almost brought myself to tears imagining myself dying so clearly

1528
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: come to me, all right, I don't know ahead of

1529
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: talk about that ahead of time as a a that's

1530
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:21,720
Speaker 1: a broad notion what ahead of time is, because it

1531
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,519
Speaker 1: could be seconds before you cook it. It could be.

1532
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 1: That's a good point, because I am back and forth

1533
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 1: on the debate on how far in advanced I've gotten

1534
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: to the point either either I do it like thirty

1535
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:41,599
Speaker 1: minutes an hour in advance at minimum, or a wait

1536
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:45,680
Speaker 1: to do it after that? Would rather do it? Um

1537
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: like a very pain imagine a very painful death where

1538
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:56,719
Speaker 1: you're otherwise screaming in agony. Can you do that version

1539
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:12,480
Speaker 1: for me? No? Go on? Um. So, salt is probably

1540
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:16,920
Speaker 1: the most important thing in your pantry and your best

1541
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: friend when it comes to wild game cooking, because like

1542
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: the way you would brine a turkey before Thanksgiving, it's

1543
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: d natures the protein strands, so the actual structure. You've

1544
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:35,600
Speaker 1: got these long fibers that are sorted intertwined together. It

1545
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:39,439
Speaker 1: can actually unravel and untwist them, and it has sort

1546
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 1: of an osmosis effect. The longer it's sitting in salt

1547
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:45,519
Speaker 1: or a brine, the more the meat is able to

1548
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 1: sort of reabsorb those juices, so that when you go

1549
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:51,639
Speaker 1: to cook, less juice is lost through the cooking process.

1550
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 1: So your meat is juicier. But it's talking about strands

1551
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,719
Speaker 1: of protein. You're talking about like on a microscopic level.

1552
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: This is something you can say, well, I mean if

1553
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: you were to look at a brisket or you know,

1554
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,439
Speaker 1: you can see like how there's long fibers. But I

1555
01:36:06,720 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 1: am talking about exactly. Um, but microscopically, yes, protein strands.

1556
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 1: You're not seeing that happening. No, you don't know. You

1557
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 1: don't see it happen. But if you do it right before,

1558
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 1: it kind of releases a lot of liquid. So that's

1559
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 1: where I'm on the fence of I don't want to

1560
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 1: salt right before I cook because I want a really

1561
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: nice seer. So it's like i'd rather just I was

1562
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: going to bring that up like I sealed it, like

1563
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm about to see like the way I would season

1564
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 1: to meet. It's a it's a healthy sprinkle, and I

1565
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: salt and pepper, and I would do that the morning

1566
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: I planned to cook some before I cook. Um just really,

1567
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean the longer the better. I mean I haven't

1568
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 1: really explored extremely long times doing it other than I

1569
01:36:56,200 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 1: think two days for jack rabbit, I've done that, but um, yeah,

1570
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:08,799
Speaker 1: doing salting it in advance just so much for helping

1571
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: wild game retaining juice and one of the reasons why

1572
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:17,040
Speaker 1: we lose so much juice when we cook. Obviously the

1573
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 1: heat you lose juice, but wild game is so lean.

1574
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 1: So if you're thinking about like a domestic animal, not

1575
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:28,679
Speaker 1: only are they having fat on the outside of a muscle,

1576
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: but inside there's little pockets of fat embedded in between

1577
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 1: those fibers of muscle. And so whenever you're cooking, fat

1578
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 1: acts as a as a barrier to heat transfer. So

1579
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 1: it's slower to cook. Wild game cooks a lot faster,

1580
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 1: you lose more juice and you don't have that mouth

1581
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,840
Speaker 1: feel of fat juices when you're binding into a meat

1582
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 1: of a wild game. So I think adding salt beforehand

1583
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 1: makes a huge, huge difference. That is my dying wish

1584
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 1: to give dying piece of advice. Yeah, dying advice. Uh.

1585
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 1: We talked about this, and I think people have will

1586
01:38:07,320 --> 01:38:10,080
Speaker 1: have already heard this because we'll have already released it,

1587
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:15,559
Speaker 1: but yeah, they will have. We talked about with Jesse

1588
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 1: Griffith's the Texas chef from your state there, and we're

1589
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 1: but not on this subject. We're just talking about why

1590
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:26,919
Speaker 1: do people when you're frying fish, why do they season

1591
01:38:28,200 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 1: the breading rather than just seasoning the fish, Like, get

1592
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 1: the piece of fish exactly how you want it seasoned,

1593
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 1: and then put your cor meal on it, rather than

1594
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:44,759
Speaker 1: trying to like figure out how the hell much seasoning

1595
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:46,720
Speaker 1: to put into the corn meal and how much is

1596
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 1: the fish gonna pick up at the actual season. Just

1597
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: season the fish, yeah, then put cormeal on, and then

1598
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,599
Speaker 1: you have the perfectly piece of season fish with cormeal

1599
01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:00,680
Speaker 1: for the crispiness. That's a good point. I think that

1600
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: season the porn Mill, I did a double double still

1601
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 1: season and stuff. But now I'll put it now it's

1602
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 1: like I did double batter, so you get like lots

1603
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,800
Speaker 1: of extra crunchy and you can put cay in it,

1604
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,839
Speaker 1: so it's like I taste that cayenne on the breading.

1605
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I would put. I put paprik

1606
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 1: in there now, and it's got like the color, Yeah,

1607
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: it's a nice color. But I like that. And I

1608
01:39:23,479 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 1: also like that when I do pre salt meat like

1609
01:39:25,600 --> 01:39:29,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about it does uh moisture comes out of it.

1610
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:31,280
Speaker 1: I never thought to do it and then let that

1611
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:33,920
Speaker 1: some bit dry back out again. It's not that it's

1612
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: going to really dry back out. It's it can reabsorb juices.

1613
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 1: But I mean it does pull moisture out. So there's

1614
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: if you're adding a ton of salt, then that's that's

1615
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,080
Speaker 1: a little different. I'm not I'm not talking about adding

1616
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:52,519
Speaker 1: a whole layer of salt. If you're going to add

1617
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:56,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of salt, then that's that's a different effect.

1618
01:39:56,320 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 1: That is curing and that is drying out um, drying

1619
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:06,479
Speaker 1: out meat. So that's a little bit different. Um. Which

1620
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:10,320
Speaker 1: is something I do days in advance for birds. If

1621
01:40:10,360 --> 01:40:13,360
Speaker 1: I want crispy skin, I'll put salt on it a

1622
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 1: few days in advance and set it out on the

1623
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 1: on like what do you call it, Like a wired

1624
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:25,920
Speaker 1: cooling rack. There's air breathing, and let it sit in

1625
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 1: the open for a couple of days. It gets a

1626
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 1: lot crispier that way. My brother Danny, he likes to

1627
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,240
Speaker 1: just take big chunks of moose meat or whatever and

1628
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 1: just sets them out a cooling rack and his fridge.

1629
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:39,400
Speaker 1: He leave in there for a week. Yeah, just letting

1630
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 1: me get a crusted on them. Yeah. I used to

1631
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:44,720
Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff that I had too many kids,

1632
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 1: and I was just like, everything's kidding. You don't have

1633
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:52,720
Speaker 1: control over your fridge. It's just just just boiled me. Okay,

1634
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 1: how how would you like to die? Oh? My last final? Yeah,

1635
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 1: it's help for me to know. Calls how I'm gonna die.

1636
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:07,920
Speaker 1: People moving a piano above you, but you wouldn't have

1637
01:41:08,479 --> 01:41:11,640
Speaker 1: he sees it coming, sees I'm watching it come and

1638
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 1: you have to spout out one last wild Game too.

1639
01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 1: It's the end. Mm hmm. I can come back to you.

1640
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 1: Oh man, the pianos coming loose. I hope nobody's underneath us.

1641
01:41:27,640 --> 01:41:32,639
Speaker 1: There's Johnnie. What's he saying? It's something about wild Games

1642
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 1: music on the piano plays. Uh, this is heavy duty.

1643
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 1: I can we can catch by, I can come back

1644
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:45,679
Speaker 1: to me. I can't give you just any old tip. Phil,

1645
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 1: you probably have one. No, you asked me if I've

1646
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:55,960
Speaker 1: heard anything stupid on the show. Yeah, asking me about

1647
01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 1: Wild Game. That was the first stupid thing anybody said. Spencer,

1648
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:01,720
Speaker 1: you want to go, I can go. If you're not

1649
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: ready yet, I can go. Okay, So there you are.

1650
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 1: What's caused death probably congenitive failure of recent events earthquakes,

1651
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,560
Speaker 1: so a lot of them going on here. If you

1652
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: don't die from an earthquake, you die from situations surrounding

1653
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 1: an earthquake. Right. Well, we're like a few days past

1654
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:22,240
Speaker 1: the sixtieth anniversary of Hegen light quake. Okay, so you're

1655
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 1: camping in a large mountain, camping down at Hegen Lake.

1656
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 1: It fell on you and you're under hundreds of feet

1657
01:42:29,880 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 1: of rocks and you know that there's no survival, but

1658
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 1: you probably have a long time. Okay, you're in your

1659
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 1: you're you're in your you're grounding something not in your car.

1660
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:41,120
Speaker 1: The cars protected you. Um, you have no way of moving,

1661
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:43,879
Speaker 1: there's nothing to eat, but there you are. But somebody's

1662
01:42:43,960 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 1: fished tube down to you that you can talk into

1663
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 1: the rescuer. Um, I would say. And I used to

1664
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 1: be like pretty stubborn about this is using a meat

1665
01:42:54,560 --> 01:43:00,719
Speaker 1: thermometer when I wasn't like super competent with my wild

1666
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:05,080
Speaker 1: game cooking. I thought it was like admitting defeat. Almost

1667
01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: if you use a meat thermometer, you're like showing your

1668
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 1: ignorance for I don't know how to get this to

1669
01:43:11,760 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 1: medium rare. And like, once I started doing that, it

1670
01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:18,320
Speaker 1: made me a way better cook, like for that specific

1671
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:21,720
Speaker 1: piece of meat and then future pieces of meat that

1672
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 1: it was cookie as well when they didn't have to

1673
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 1: use that meat ther mometer. So I would say, like,

1674
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 1: that would be my diag wish. If you're not confident,

1675
01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,760
Speaker 1: if you, uh, I feel like you're constantly overcooking or

1676
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: pulling something out that's underdone, just use me meat the monter.

1677
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 1: It's so easy and it makes like a big difference

1678
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:40,760
Speaker 1: in the long run. Let's say I was passed out

1679
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 1: in the back seat of that car that got crushed

1680
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:47,439
Speaker 1: under the earthquake rubble. I would wake up and I

1681
01:43:47,479 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: would say, um, you'd say your thing, and then I

1682
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 1: would say, but only if it's a halfway decent meat thermometer,

1683
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 1: because I've had a lot of meat the moters over

1684
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 1: the years. Dude, you pull it out of the counter,

1685
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 1: you pulled it out of the or, and it's like, oh,

1686
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 1: that's weird. My house is a hundred ten degrees. It's like,

1687
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 1: there are a lot of meats alter that are useless. Yes,

1688
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: you have to check it. There's like all kinds of

1689
01:44:10,040 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 1: ways to calibrate them. Yeah. I was gonna say, don't

1690
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 1: you could just calibrate it. I never did you that.

1691
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 1: I now have what I call a Steve ken drot,

1692
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:19,320
Speaker 1: which just as just as I'd like to credit him

1693
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,760
Speaker 1: with the sauceage recipe, I credit him with basically manufacturing

1694
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 1: the meat thermometer that he told me to purchase. What

1695
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 1: is that thing? I didn't buy one, and I think

1696
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 1: it's slick as ship man. You're not talking thermopan, right, Yeah,

1697
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:36,640
Speaker 1: that is it? Red with a poker. The poker like

1698
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 1: turns on that little LCD screen every time. Yeah, yeah,

1699
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:44,040
Speaker 1: that's what you're talking about. I've taken I've I've done

1700
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:45,680
Speaker 1: my well, my kids didn't feel well. I made him

1701
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 1: suck on that thing. See they had a hot fever.

1702
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:51,599
Speaker 1: I haven't had to calibrate that, trust you. Yeah, but yeah,

1703
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 1: but it's a trust eat once you get dialed and

1704
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,559
Speaker 1: you know, that's what I would say from the back seat. Yeah,

1705
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: but overusing them, it's a good one. Like I'm my

1706
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,960
Speaker 1: phase on my steaks, on my burgers. It just made

1707
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 1: a big difference in the long run of like making

1708
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:10,560
Speaker 1: me more competent cook. Yeah, because why have it be

1709
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:13,120
Speaker 1: that you don't know if you overdid it until you

1710
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: go to the table and cut into it. But I

1711
01:45:15,000 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of people left. I think to

1712
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:19,680
Speaker 1: like my family specifically, I've never seen them use and

1713
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 1: meet thermometer, and I think there's a lot of people

1714
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: like that that just I don't know, don't realize how

1715
01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:29,680
Speaker 1: great of a tool it is. Well, if you look

1716
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:34,600
Speaker 1: at like my body, uh, Pooter Andrew chef Rad Jilowski,

1717
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:37,320
Speaker 1: he walks around the meat thermometer stuck in his pocket.

1718
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 1: He's a professional chef, So if he's willing to admit

1719
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:46,320
Speaker 1: his yeah, you know the other thing that pro stress

1720
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 1: usually walk around with it in their pocket. Come on,

1721
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a guess at it. Anybody phone tongs, Well,

1722
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 1: that would be that would be used in the cooking application,

1723
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,919
Speaker 1: in the kitchen application, but as sharpie because they're always

1724
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:06,360
Speaker 1: freaking marking ship what it is and putting a date on. Yeah,

1725
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: and that's like, that's not gonna be my my last

1726
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:15,560
Speaker 1: dying advice, but that's a that's a pro moves do that.

1727
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 1: I hate looking leftovers and be like was that last

1728
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:24,120
Speaker 1: before that we had the taco meat cal you want

1729
01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:27,040
Speaker 1: to go? I'm ready, I'm ready to go. Oh. I

1730
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: think my dying advice on wild game cooking is just

1731
01:46:31,479 --> 01:46:36,360
Speaker 1: cause of death. Real quick plane going down. Okay, so

1732
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:39,640
Speaker 1: it's you survived the initial impact or you're spiraling to

1733
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,720
Speaker 1: the surf to the earth. Well that one making I

1734
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 1: must have survived the initial impact. But you know now

1735
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:49,680
Speaker 1: that this is not gonna happen for you. Yeah, that

1736
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 1: makes more sounds like your legs, your back. Yeah, nobody

1737
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 1: nobody dies easy in my family. Everybody lingers on. So

1738
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 1: probably just for this reason. So it's just your like,

1739
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:04,400
Speaker 1: it's just your head, like your torus souls elsewhere and

1740
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:09,960
Speaker 1: your heads like make sure to yeah, make sure whatever

1741
01:47:10,120 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 1: you do to just keep trying, keep cooking. That's what

1742
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:20,120
Speaker 1: I would say. That's if you can produce food that

1743
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:24,439
Speaker 1: somebody in your family or circle will not eat, then

1744
01:47:25,960 --> 01:47:28,840
Speaker 1: you don't need to hang out with those people. It's

1745
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 1: a good litmus test either way. So it's a two

1746
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:34,560
Speaker 1: piece of advice. It is going to eat for a

1747
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:38,400
Speaker 1: little bit, just just so. One, you're only gonna expand

1748
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 1: your repertoire if you just keep trying things. Don't get

1749
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 1: stuck in or rut doing the same old things, but

1750
01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: like try something new. Uh. And if you're nervous about

1751
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 1: producing something that could potentially like somehow ruin a relationship,

1752
01:47:57,640 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 1: that's a good thing as well, because if it actually

1753
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 1: does ruin the relationship, those people aren't worth hanging out with.

1754
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 1: Get him out of get him out of your circle. Yeah,

1755
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:09,280
Speaker 1: I saw some reason this saying that their wife doesn't

1756
01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 1: like wild Game. I'm like to get a new wife.

1757
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 1: And I'm like a pro marriage dude. Right, Yes, I'm

1758
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 1: like a spokesman for being married. You are a spokesman

1759
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,720
Speaker 1: for being married. I can't be around uh, certainly can't

1760
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: be around your wife without hearing about marriage, that's for sure,

1761
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 1: like her thinking you ought to be marriage. Yes, I'm

1762
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:34,320
Speaker 1: gonna go pro grill tip. Just got into a fight

1763
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:39,080
Speaker 1: with the grizzly bear. I did rip his jaws apart,

1764
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 1: so he's dying as well. He's with you. He's gonna

1765
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:43,519
Speaker 1: give a wild game tip. He's gonna be like I

1766
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:48,759
Speaker 1: love uncle berries. Yeah, when they're right after the first frost,

1767
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 1: when there's sugar spikes, that's the best. But one of

1768
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,439
Speaker 1: the swivees, one of the swis really eat a lot

1769
01:48:55,520 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: of honey. Contrary to popular opinion, one of the swives

1770
01:49:01,360 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 1: took me, got me across my abdomen and my guts

1771
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:07,240
Speaker 1: are hanging out a lot of blood. So we're beyond

1772
01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 1: the piano. Oh yeah, that wasn't that exciting the piano?

1773
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:18,160
Speaker 1: But no, I got this tip because I saw on

1774
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 1: your Instagram. I forget what kind of meat you had

1775
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 1: on the grill, but somebody or a couple of people

1776
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:28,760
Speaker 1: remarked how you had your grill grades in upside down. Yeah,

1777
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 1: and they were right, they were right. Well I noticed that,

1778
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 1: and then like a week or two later, I think

1779
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:38,599
Speaker 1: that most people in America's check this out. We buy

1780
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:40,639
Speaker 1: my brother in law buys a brand new we Ever

1781
01:49:41,120 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 1: from Ace Hardware, and listen, I love Ace. I'm not

1782
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:45,960
Speaker 1: bashing Ace. It's like ACE is the place I believe it.

1783
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 1: I get such feels like, yeah, I walk in there

1784
01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:54,600
Speaker 1: with a freaking random bolt or lightbulb or whatever, and

1785
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 1: I just like hold it in the air and somebody

1786
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 1: walks up to me and goes follow me, like every

1787
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,559
Speaker 1: single time. It's not like going into a home depot

1788
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,280
Speaker 1: or oh my god, no nothing. If I can get

1789
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: it to Ace, I'm going to Ace. Anyways, we he

1790
01:50:07,120 --> 01:50:10,000
Speaker 1: bought a brand new Webber grill and that day you

1791
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 1: could get assembled and delivered, shows up and next day

1792
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm out there flipping burgers, and I'm like, god freaking

1793
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:20,479
Speaker 1: burgers are just like sticking, and like my burgers are

1794
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: like in the grates, Like, what in the hell is

1795
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 1: going on here? I looked down, like son of a bitch,

1796
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 1: those grills are upside down. It's an epidemic, man, because

1797
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:32,720
Speaker 1: when you look at it, it looks you think for

1798
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 1: some reason, your mind so like one this uh grill

1799
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 1: happened to have two grades and uh stay sit side

1800
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 1: by side, and when you pick one up and look

1801
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:46,560
Speaker 1: at it, one side sort of has like a triangular

1802
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 1: shape to the grill bar. I'm gonna call it right,

1803
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:53,600
Speaker 1: and it sort of comes to a point almost the

1804
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 1: other side. If you flip it open, the bottom of

1805
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:59,720
Speaker 1: that triangle is like the bottom of the triangle is

1806
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:03,560
Speaker 1: fly right. For some reason, everybody's brain thinks that the

1807
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 1: pointy burn lines into it. Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what

1808
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,640
Speaker 1: it is. Where in fact, when you do that, like

1809
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 1: in case with these burgers, the burgers sink in between

1810
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:18,639
Speaker 1: those holes and those pointy I just pushed too much,

1811
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:21,639
Speaker 1: and you and then when you run your spatula underneath

1812
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:24,320
Speaker 1: that burger, you're not gonna get underneath that burger really,

1813
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 1: And then you need to take the corner of your

1814
01:51:25,880 --> 01:51:29,720
Speaker 1: spatulate and scrape it along there to get that stuff out. Yes,

1815
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 1: or in my case, what I did is I transferred

1816
01:51:32,120 --> 01:51:34,519
Speaker 1: all the burgers over the one side and just flip

1817
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 1: those grates and let that stuff burn off. And uh yeah,

1818
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,160
Speaker 1: so when your grates are flat, you can run a

1819
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:44,680
Speaker 1: spatula and stuff soon and you don't have to, um

1820
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,040
Speaker 1: be scraping all that stuff off all the time. I'm

1821
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 1: glad I saw that. I'm glad I did that post

1822
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:53,439
Speaker 1: on Instagram. And normally when like there's there's people who

1823
01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:55,760
Speaker 1: like you on Instagram, you want to share something that

1824
01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 1: that you like or that you feel whatever likes something

1825
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 1: like it'll be of interest us two people. H it'll

1826
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:05,400
Speaker 1: be you know, provide entertainment people. And no matter what

1827
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:10,759
Speaker 1: you do, there's always the like critic. Yes, they'll zoom

1828
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,400
Speaker 1: in to find things in the background to say negative

1829
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 1: thing if it's if it's like, if it's not readily

1830
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 1: apparent what they could say negative, they will like zoom

1831
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 1: the image until they can find something that they can

1832
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 1: say negative about what's in the background. Um, they'll they'll

1833
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 1: find some negative thing about it. It'll be like, yeah,

1834
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,160
Speaker 1: great job on those burgers. They look perfect, But I

1835
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 1: see you're wearing flip flops and that's not very SI.

1836
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 1: Or I see a plastic water bow in the background. Um.

1837
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:43,240
Speaker 1: You know, you say you like conservation, but obviously your

1838
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 1: whole life's a lie because I zoomed and someone had left.

1839
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 1: You know, there's like that guy. Normally, the noise that

1840
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 1: those people make in my mind is it makes this

1841
01:52:51,400 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 1: noise when I'm reading their comments. It sounds like this, right,

1842
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:00,720
Speaker 1: It's like that noise. But the do would notice the

1843
01:53:00,800 --> 01:53:05,000
Speaker 1: grill was like, hey man, you know in a super

1844
01:53:05,080 --> 01:53:08,559
Speaker 1: cool way. It was like, you know, your grills are

1845
01:53:08,600 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 1: upside down, And I was like, I initially wanted to

1846
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 1: be like, don't you tell me how to set my

1847
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 1: grill up? I looked like, God, him, he's right, He's right.

1848
01:53:18,280 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 1: I have two cents on this, but I don't think

1849
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 1: it really applies in your situation. Because of the way

1850
01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:27,720
Speaker 1: that the greats are pointed at one end, sometimes they're

1851
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:32,960
Speaker 1: made to be flipped both ways because some ways are

1852
01:53:32,960 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 1: you complexiflying complexifying right now, Sometimes you can get higher

1853
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 1: over the coals, and if you flip it around, you

1854
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:43,200
Speaker 1: get low on the coals. For hotter heat. So sometimes

1855
01:53:43,200 --> 01:53:49,200
Speaker 1: they're meant to be flipped. Mh. But but then but

1856
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:51,639
Speaker 1: the great would be the same way. It doesn't change

1857
01:53:51,680 --> 01:53:54,920
Speaker 1: on mine. Yeah, the great would be still be the same, right,

1858
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 1: it would just adjust the height, like the shape of

1859
01:53:57,439 --> 01:54:00,560
Speaker 1: the surface would still remain the same if it was

1860
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,160
Speaker 1: if you had a flipper style, yeah, you would have

1861
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 1: would notice that one side would be just barely on

1862
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:09,880
Speaker 1: top of the coals versus another side would be raised

1863
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:13,519
Speaker 1: up higher. I like good throwing the cast iron on

1864
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:16,960
Speaker 1: the grill to like with you know, the tragger where

1865
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 1: you got a lot of smoke going around, so you

1866
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:24,400
Speaker 1: get indirect heat, but so you get like the pancake

1867
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:28,519
Speaker 1: griddle flat top cooking, but you get some smoke in

1868
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 1: there too. I like that a lot. Yeah, the other

1869
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:38,440
Speaker 1: grill surface for it. In recent years, like those pink

1870
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:41,720
Speaker 1: Himalayan salt blocks, seems like it becomes real sexy to

1871
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:44,440
Speaker 1: cook on and stuff. Oh yeah, you ever used one?

1872
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 1: Or do you have any thoughts on a long time ago?

1873
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 1: And every time I see when I say I need

1874
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:53,120
Speaker 1: to buy that, and then I'd look at my car

1875
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 1: and say, oh, I have the handheld car. I don't

1876
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: feel like carrying it you want you mean like people

1877
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:02,160
Speaker 1: cooking on salt blocks. Yes, like like the size of

1878
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 1: your laptop and like that thick. Yeah, body mine just

1879
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 1: mentioned cooking some stuff. I'm one of those. I have one,

1880
01:55:10,400 --> 01:55:13,400
Speaker 1: and I've done like white meat and fish on it

1881
01:55:13,400 --> 01:55:15,480
Speaker 1: and stuff. But I don't know that it's like that

1882
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:18,720
Speaker 1: much better. I don't know that I would is kind

1883
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,880
Speaker 1: of fun though, Yes, it looks it looks cool. Yeah,

1884
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 1: for sure, it looks pretty. Don't don't over salt your

1885
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 1: meat before you put it on there, like the block

1886
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 1: like sweats kind of with the meat you're cooking and salted,

1887
01:55:31,320 --> 01:55:33,760
Speaker 1: so that's neat. But I don't know that it's like

1888
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,960
Speaker 1: an advantage. So if you had, if you were down

1889
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 1: onto that, if you're down onto that rubble and you're

1890
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:46,920
Speaker 1: like and ps that meaning to try, I says, what

1891
01:55:47,000 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 1: do you guys think about him and salt Box. I

1892
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:51,200
Speaker 1: don't think I buy the hype, That's what I would say.

1893
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:57,440
Speaker 1: I feel like, but what about salt box, Yeah, i'd

1894
01:55:57,440 --> 01:55:59,560
Speaker 1: say I don't. I don't buy the hype quite yet.

1895
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 1: But maybe there's the right piece of meat or right

1896
01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:07,800
Speaker 1: recipe that it's like this improves the end product. It's

1897
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:10,480
Speaker 1: been a really long time since I've done it. Um,

1898
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 1: we did some flat rock hot rock cooking. Oh yeah, yeah,

1899
01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 1: remember that, Joannie? No did you want in New Zealand

1900
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:25,600
Speaker 1: with us? Now? It's hards hard for me to picture

1901
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 1: not being with you, honest. I just assume that everything

1902
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:30,560
Speaker 1: that happened to be honest was there. I watched a

1903
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 1: buddy mine I was guiding with forget he forgot a firepan, right,

1904
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:39,960
Speaker 1: which firepan is an apparatus that works real good as

1905
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:43,800
Speaker 1: a grill for like wild and Scenic river designations. You

1906
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:45,600
Speaker 1: can't just to have a fire wherever you want to

1907
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 1: have a fire, so you have to have firepan. While

1908
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 1: he forgot the firepan, and then I will just sat

1909
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:55,640
Speaker 1: back and quite honestly did not utter a word as

1910
01:56:55,680 --> 01:57:00,240
Speaker 1: I watched him explain this very intricate story to this

1911
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:03,440
Speaker 1: family of five on why he was going to grill

1912
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:08,320
Speaker 1: their steaks on top of our river rocks. Uh, the

1913
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:14,880
Speaker 1: reality is he just forgot the firepan. But he's like, yes,

1914
01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:17,920
Speaker 1: it was great, it was really great. We one time

1915
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:25,080
Speaker 1: where um hunting mountain goats in Alaska and you couldn't

1916
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, you couldn't hunt at all.

1917
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 1: It's just too foggy. You can't see anything. And we

1918
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 1: stumbled into abandoned plaster mine um that had been abandoned

1919
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 1: long ago, and they were doing like suction dredge mining

1920
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 1: for gold and they left wet suits. They left. It

1921
01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 1: was like they walked away from the place. So their

1922
01:57:42,160 --> 01:57:44,880
Speaker 1: wet suits had been torn apart by bears, like bears

1923
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:47,720
Speaker 1: like neoprene for some reason. And the wet suits are

1924
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 1: just everywhere and little pieces, and we're kind of digging

1925
01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,400
Speaker 1: through all the debris and rubble. They probably brought it in,

1926
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, and snow machines or something. The winter

1927
01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:57,960
Speaker 1: flew it in and then left it land. And uh.

1928
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 1: We found a twenty pound propane tank with a weed

1929
01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 1: burning torch head, and we lugged that back to our camp.

1930
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:14,440
Speaker 1: And we were staying in a little a teepy tent

1931
01:58:14,720 --> 01:58:17,000
Speaker 1: that didn't have a floor in it, and we would

1932
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:22,200
Speaker 1: just set that propane tank up aiming at rocks. So

1933
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 1: we just turned it on full blast because just sitting

1934
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:25,920
Speaker 1: out no one can get out of the mountains anyways.

1935
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 1: We just turned on full blasts and set a rock

1936
01:58:27,560 --> 01:58:30,040
Speaker 1: in front of it until that rock got hot as

1937
01:58:30,040 --> 01:58:33,080
Speaker 1: ship and then carry the rock and set it in

1938
01:58:33,120 --> 01:58:36,760
Speaker 1: the middle of the tent and to keep it like

1939
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:39,839
Speaker 1: radiate some nice heat for a while. And then by meanwhile,

1940
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:43,600
Speaker 1: we have another one out there getting ready, yeah, getting ready,

1941
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 1: and just having like rock eaters, and I haven't had

1942
01:58:45,480 --> 01:58:47,640
Speaker 1: my leather chopper mitten so I could carry the rocks

1943
01:58:48,120 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 1: back and forth apri pool very little. My wife saved

1944
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:58,240
Speaker 1: my tomatoes by doing the hot rock trick this year. No, yes,

1945
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:01,560
Speaker 1: because I planted tomatoes like mid June, thinking, by golly,

1946
01:59:01,680 --> 01:59:04,160
Speaker 1: that's plenty late enough. And then like five days later

1947
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,000
Speaker 1: we had like four or five inches at the house

1948
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 1: and she yeah, and she just took like we had

1949
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 1: some leftover vice queen from the remodel, so she covered

1950
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 1: the you know, already had the cages up, so she

1951
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:18,240
Speaker 1: just laid that over the cages and then just through

1952
01:59:18,280 --> 01:59:20,480
Speaker 1: the oven on like four through a couple of giant

1953
01:59:20,600 --> 01:59:24,320
Speaker 1: rocks in there. Then ran the rocks down to the tomatoes,

1954
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:26,880
Speaker 1: stuck them in there, and it made a little greenhouse

1955
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:31,840
Speaker 1: and no good tomatoes made it out fine. I don't

1956
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 1: have any red ones yet, man, but dude, I do

1957
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 1: not have a read tomato. It's killing me because they're

1958
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:39,680
Speaker 1: coming in when I'm not going to be here. Okay,

1959
01:59:39,760 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 1: here's my dying thing. Um I forgot, I had to.

1960
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:48,480
Speaker 1: It was a slow It was a slow death. One

1961
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 1: of them was, um, one of my dying ones. Oh

1962
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:56,040
Speaker 1: I remember the two? Could I give it to? One is?

1963
01:59:58,840 --> 02:00:01,000
Speaker 1: If you cut dear stay aakes, just take a break

1964
02:00:01,080 --> 02:00:03,520
Speaker 1: for a while. I'm not saying they're bad, but just

1965
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:07,400
Speaker 1: don't cut deer steaks for a while. Cook hole muscle chunks.

1966
02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:11,600
Speaker 1: Cook one two pound chunks of meat that you that

1967
02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:17,200
Speaker 1: you see, hear all surfaces, and then finish it in

1968
02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:20,560
Speaker 1: your oven, or that you just put in your grill.

1969
02:00:21,160 --> 02:00:23,960
Speaker 1: Give it a good sear, turn the grill down, close

1970
02:00:24,040 --> 02:00:28,120
Speaker 1: the lid, and cook it till it's you know, one

1971
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:31,440
Speaker 1: thirty with your meat thermometer, and then cut it. Take

1972
02:00:31,520 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 1: a break from deer steaks. You that you honest? I

1973
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:38,520
Speaker 1: like it. As a youngster, we always cut all of

1974
02:00:38,600 --> 02:00:44,240
Speaker 1: our large muscles into steaks. We frols it like that.

1975
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:47,880
Speaker 1: Everything You never throws a block of like a block

1976
02:00:47,960 --> 02:00:50,200
Speaker 1: of meat. You know, if you freeze the block of meat,

1977
02:00:50,240 --> 02:00:52,440
Speaker 1: when you thaw it out, you can choose to cut

1978
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:56,120
Speaker 1: its then for a long time instead of writing deer

1979
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:59,839
Speaker 1: steaks on the packagees me. My brother started writing venison

1980
02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:03,560
Speaker 1: s slash R. People would think it was my initials,

1981
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:10,280
Speaker 1: but it was steak roast meaning chef's choice, stop cutting

1982
02:01:10,360 --> 02:01:12,840
Speaker 1: steaks and cook some home muscle meat. Then if I

1983
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:15,080
Speaker 1: still had a little that it was like it was

1984
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:16,640
Speaker 1: like one of those things where doctors are like, oh,

1985
02:01:16,680 --> 02:01:20,160
Speaker 1: we're losing them. But then like like I came back

1986
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:24,640
Speaker 1: right and and and then then I flatline again. I'm

1987
02:01:24,680 --> 02:01:26,880
Speaker 1: still kind of hanging in there. Then that would go, uh,

1988
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:32,520
Speaker 1: never cook a separate meal for your children. Mm hmm.

1989
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:37,760
Speaker 1: Then I would die. Yeah, that goes beyond wild game,

1990
02:01:38,200 --> 02:01:42,760
Speaker 1: that's just life. If they said, yeah, they're like, okay,

1991
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:46,920
Speaker 1: but what about any last just general life advice, and

1992
02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:51,200
Speaker 1: I'd say unredated the wild game, and they're like, yeah,

1993
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:54,520
Speaker 1: just whatever, anything helpful for the universe. I was a

1994
02:01:54,680 --> 02:02:00,080
Speaker 1: don't cook separate meals for your children. Stop stop doing that.

1995
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:06,200
Speaker 1: Stop making them like noodles. That goes right into just

1996
02:02:06,360 --> 02:02:12,200
Speaker 1: making life easy for your kids. Yeah, stop doing that.

1997
02:02:12,680 --> 02:02:16,080
Speaker 1: Make it easy because there you're exposing them to variety,

1998
02:02:17,200 --> 02:02:20,080
Speaker 1: sure whatever, making them meat, what you're eating, taking them

1999
02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:22,880
Speaker 1: out into a rainstorm, setting up a tent in the rain.

2000
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:25,800
Speaker 1: Let them be cold a little bit. I might make

2001
02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:28,400
Speaker 1: those guys stop even to having access to the children's

2002
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:31,400
Speaker 1: menu and restaurants, but that leads to food waste. Oh yeah,

2003
02:02:31,400 --> 02:02:34,600
Speaker 1: because the smaller portions are helpful. I don't think you

2004
02:02:34,640 --> 02:02:39,640
Speaker 1: told us what was killing you? Congenitive heart failure. Yeah,

2005
02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:47,560
Speaker 1: it's flat line D nineteen. It could be coincidence that

2006
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:50,840
Speaker 1: it's uh after lunch, but I think feel like this

2007
02:02:50,920 --> 02:02:54,600
Speaker 1: podcast has made me hungry. Oh yeah, hell yeah? Uh?

2008
02:02:55,600 --> 02:02:58,960
Speaker 1: And you concluders Daniel, Wild Game, what'sn't your freezer? What

2009
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:02,920
Speaker 1: do you got going on? I have? I have some

2010
02:03:03,040 --> 02:03:06,000
Speaker 1: good stuff in there. I have some stuff saved for

2011
02:03:06,120 --> 02:03:09,880
Speaker 1: special occasions, and I have some stuff, um that are

2012
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:13,560
Speaker 1: just a little weird that I have ideas on, like

2013
02:03:13,680 --> 02:03:18,680
Speaker 1: a snake. Do you have snake? I have a couple

2014
02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:22,280
Speaker 1: of snakes. Um. You know when we did the when

2015
02:03:22,360 --> 02:03:24,160
Speaker 1: I was at Rendezvous, I got to be a wild

2016
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:28,120
Speaker 1: Game judge content the contest they did, you find it

2017
02:03:28,240 --> 02:03:32,480
Speaker 1: was hard to do. It was difficult because everybody wants

2018
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:36,600
Speaker 1: to serve you like five different things, and I just

2019
02:03:36,840 --> 02:03:39,200
Speaker 1: want to judge you on one thing because I can't

2020
02:03:39,240 --> 02:03:42,920
Speaker 1: remember twenty people cooking five different things. It's like, I

2021
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:46,040
Speaker 1: like two out of your five and the other three

2022
02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:49,280
Speaker 1: were just average. So now you're just below average. Had

2023
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:52,800
Speaker 1: you just focused on that one good thing. Let's write

2024
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:56,920
Speaker 1: a co co email to whoever runs that, because I've

2025
02:03:56,960 --> 02:03:59,040
Speaker 1: been saying it for years since Steve and I did it,

2026
02:03:59,120 --> 02:04:01,080
Speaker 1: that they need to tie eating up the rules a

2027
02:04:01,160 --> 02:04:05,480
Speaker 1: little bit because they're they're the playing fields just rough

2028
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:08,160
Speaker 1: and rumbling in there, and people are getting screwed out

2029
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:10,920
Speaker 1: of that deal. We're talking about Bad Country Hunter. When

2030
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:14,400
Speaker 1: you go to the Bad Country Hunters and Anglers Manual Rendezvous,

2031
02:04:14,480 --> 02:04:16,600
Speaker 1: they have a wild game contest for different people from

2032
02:04:16,600 --> 02:04:19,360
Speaker 1: different state chapters team up a cook wild game dishes,

2033
02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:22,040
Speaker 1: and they bring in a bunch of judges, handful of judges,

2034
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:25,680
Speaker 1: the pick judges who would have like the right to

2035
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:29,440
Speaker 1: have an opinion. Yeah, I'd like to think I have

2036
02:04:29,680 --> 02:04:31,960
Speaker 1: the right now you do. But it's hard. It's hard.

2037
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:34,480
Speaker 1: I find it, like I feel that like I would

2038
02:04:34,480 --> 02:04:37,400
Speaker 1: I would like to tweak out their system for him. Yeah,

2039
02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:41,120
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to, but I was just happy

2040
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:45,120
Speaker 1: to be there, so no complaining. Do you you read

2041
02:04:45,200 --> 02:04:48,640
Speaker 1: one of the judges too? Remember the snake. Was that Arizona?

2042
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:52,920
Speaker 1: I think that was Arizona. Yeah, I thought they served

2043
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:55,120
Speaker 1: a snake and I thought it was very good they did.

2044
02:04:55,400 --> 02:04:58,680
Speaker 1: It was like a good job texture of a shrimp.

2045
02:04:58,920 --> 02:05:01,520
Speaker 1: It was succulent, but it was like chicken ea flavor.

2046
02:05:02,160 --> 02:05:04,800
Speaker 1: So it gave me a lot of ways to spin

2047
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:09,040
Speaker 1: off cooking with snake. Were you've been getting the snakes?

2048
02:05:10,360 --> 02:05:14,600
Speaker 1: They had jack rabble rattle snake have Alina and they

2049
02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:18,600
Speaker 1: freed the choia buds to right. They won the last

2050
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:20,640
Speaker 1: year that I was and they've won this year too.

2051
02:05:20,760 --> 02:05:23,840
Speaker 1: They crushed it. They did. There was the same crew,

2052
02:05:24,240 --> 02:05:29,120
Speaker 1: the two women. It was spearheaded about two women. I

2053
02:05:29,160 --> 02:05:32,880
Speaker 1: think you're thinking Nevada because they did the big horn

2054
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:35,880
Speaker 1: sheep testicles. Well that was Nevada. I think you might

2055
02:05:35,960 --> 02:05:40,040
Speaker 1: be right. I forgot it was a long time ago. Anyway,

2056
02:05:40,320 --> 02:05:42,600
Speaker 1: that's a that's anti hunting organization. Did you know that?

2057
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:48,520
Speaker 1: What b h A man? Green decoys? Bro? Are you

2058
02:05:48,680 --> 02:05:52,640
Speaker 1: green decoys up there? Anyway? So, yeah, I've got some

2059
02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:57,240
Speaker 1: snake to mess with, and um, I've got some balls

2060
02:05:57,320 --> 02:06:01,240
Speaker 1: of bore bore balls. Bore balls? Is that what you're

2061
02:06:01,240 --> 02:06:04,840
Speaker 1: saving for the special occasion? That's a special occasion. That's

2062
02:06:04,840 --> 02:06:08,400
Speaker 1: a big ball. So I've got a game show that

2063
02:06:08,440 --> 02:06:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh shoot, I almost just gave away something

2064
02:06:12,200 --> 02:06:15,520
Speaker 1: I can't tell you. You got people you watch a

2065
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:18,960
Speaker 1: game show with, and you're gonna sneak them balls. I

2066
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:21,480
Speaker 1: can figure that out that fast, is correct? Am I wrong?

2067
02:06:22,320 --> 02:06:25,800
Speaker 1: It's caught? Yeah, but dang it, I missed that one. Up,

2068
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:28,120
Speaker 1: I can't. I won't serve I won't serve balls. So

2069
02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:30,600
Speaker 1: heads up, if you're invited order Danielle's house to watch

2070
02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:32,839
Speaker 1: some kind of game show whatever, you're eating his balls.

2071
02:06:33,720 --> 02:06:38,600
Speaker 1: So before one you, guys, I was gonna do a

2072
02:06:38,720 --> 02:06:43,480
Speaker 1: game show called Name that Game where I serve a

2073
02:06:43,600 --> 02:06:45,760
Speaker 1: series of small plants and you have to figure out

2074
02:06:46,000 --> 02:06:50,600
Speaker 1: what animal it is? Not what animals? Well, I think

2075
02:06:50,680 --> 02:06:52,680
Speaker 1: there's some that's going to be a little clear to

2076
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:55,760
Speaker 1: know what animal, and it would be harder to distinguish

2077
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:59,080
Speaker 1: the cut in there. It's just vice versa. I think

2078
02:06:59,280 --> 02:07:02,680
Speaker 1: you just get his points where one knowing you get

2079
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:06,200
Speaker 1: points for knowing the animal and extra for knowing the cut.

2080
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:10,080
Speaker 1: Yeahs at two points. Well, I'm not going to do

2081
02:07:10,240 --> 02:07:13,920
Speaker 1: that one now because I just gave it away. That's

2082
02:07:13,960 --> 02:07:19,120
Speaker 1: a big ball. Off some pig. I've seen some doozies. Yeah,

2083
02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:24,280
Speaker 1: how big like golf ball, baseball? You know what I'm

2084
02:07:24,280 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that time we castrated that boar. Have

2085
02:07:27,480 --> 02:07:30,400
Speaker 1: you ever had a colotche in Texas? Yeah, that's big,

2086
02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:35,160
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, like the round Ones's not the hot

2087
02:07:35,240 --> 02:07:38,839
Speaker 1: dog ones. Yeah, it's like the weird rolls that are everywhere.

2088
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:42,200
Speaker 1: Like a very German thing too. Yeah. On the woods,

2089
02:07:42,240 --> 02:07:48,360
Speaker 1: they're like breakfast. They're like pastries. Maybe I have They're

2090
02:07:48,440 --> 02:07:51,000
Speaker 1: really good. I might eat one without catching what the

2091
02:07:51,120 --> 02:07:53,080
Speaker 1: name of it was, but it doesn't. You have somebody

2092
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Speaker 1: handed you like a breakfast sandwich at some point, kind

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02:07:57,520 --> 02:08:02,000
Speaker 1: of an odd breakfast, like a ground all dough and

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02:08:02,040 --> 02:08:08,040
Speaker 1: in the middle there's some sort of meat cheese Michigan.

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Speaker 1: They call him, you don't know, not purogis pete Doggins,

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Speaker 1: that's how you say it. Lavian. I have a a

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02:08:17,480 --> 02:08:23,839
Speaker 1: substantial amount of carp filets, bone less Asian carp filets,

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Speaker 1: and uh in my vaccine them. Yeah, did you pick

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Speaker 1: the bones? Yeah? There there are no bones in this stuff.

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Speaker 1: Um heads predominantly silversum. Good for you. The my experience

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Speaker 1: with this stuff, though, is it is as flavorless. It

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Speaker 1: is beautiful fish, but it's as flavorless as you can

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Speaker 1: possibly get. Um. So I'm thinking about like doing some

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Speaker 1: like miso stuff or making some buns or you know,

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Speaker 1: marinating it and soy sauce and stuff like that. Up

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Speaker 1: it needs. I didn't realize carp was so bland. Well,

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Speaker 1: common carp is not common carp is like common carp different. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: has a loud common carp wear is a loud hat.

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Speaker 1: But a common carp is also an invertebrate eater um

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02:09:21,480 --> 02:09:25,120
Speaker 1: and it isn't as specialized as like the silver carp

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02:09:25,200 --> 02:09:27,360
Speaker 1: in the big head carp which are filter feeders. They

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Speaker 1: eat zo plank them from the day they can eat

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02:09:30,760 --> 02:09:34,000
Speaker 1: to their last day, which turns out can be like

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Speaker 1: a hundred and seventeen years down the road. So I

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02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:39,080
Speaker 1: don't think you properly emphasize that, like how difficult to

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02:09:39,120 --> 02:09:41,920
Speaker 1: clean they are a northern pike for example. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people avoid like filet because they have the set

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02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:48,760
Speaker 1: of y bones Asian card like big head and silvers

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Speaker 1: have three sets of wire bones. Yes, like you have

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Speaker 1: to be surgical, would you cut strips around all the

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02:09:55,720 --> 02:09:58,960
Speaker 1: y bones so the way? Yeah, I mean that's really

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Speaker 1: what what they're doing. One um, the interesting thing and

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02:10:02,360 --> 02:10:06,000
Speaker 1: interesting technique is the direction that the bones run. They

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02:10:06,040 --> 02:10:09,560
Speaker 1: actually run, they kind of slightly angle from the tail

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02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:15,200
Speaker 1: towards the head, and so when you you can do

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02:10:15,400 --> 02:10:17,920
Speaker 1: a top filet is what they were calling it, which

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02:10:18,040 --> 02:10:21,360
Speaker 1: is basically fileting the meat off the tops of the

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02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:25,400
Speaker 1: y bones, which would be like your dead center along

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02:10:25,480 --> 02:10:28,960
Speaker 1: the backbone, kind of traditional filet cut. But what they're

2130
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:31,040
Speaker 1: doing is they go from the tail towards the head

2131
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:35,000
Speaker 1: and they're not, you know, getting a lot of depth.

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02:10:35,320 --> 02:10:37,560
Speaker 1: It's maybe a quarter inch max on like a big

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02:10:37,720 --> 02:10:41,400
Speaker 1: carp um. But by going from the tail to the head,

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02:10:42,040 --> 02:10:46,320
Speaker 1: your knife is actually pushing the bones down the direction

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02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:50,240
Speaker 1: they want to go, and you get a deeper filet

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02:10:51,440 --> 02:10:53,480
Speaker 1: and no bones. But if you were to try to

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02:10:53,560 --> 02:10:56,040
Speaker 1: go from the head to the tail, then you're you're

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02:10:56,120 --> 02:10:58,520
Speaker 1: hitting bones the whole way and you're basically just getting

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02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:02,400
Speaker 1: like meat putty off of them. Yeah. Yeah, So you

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02:11:02,440 --> 02:11:06,240
Speaker 1: got like your backbone pieces like your loin strips, and

2141
02:11:06,280 --> 02:11:08,440
Speaker 1: they're like carp strip and then you have a center

2142
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:11,080
Speaker 1: file at which that one I just talked about coming

2143
02:11:11,120 --> 02:11:13,160
Speaker 1: off the tips of the bones, and then there's a

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02:11:13,200 --> 02:11:18,640
Speaker 1: belly meat piece that's totally boneless. Um. And then some

2145
02:11:18,760 --> 02:11:22,160
Speaker 1: of these guys I was talking to, like they don't

2146
02:11:22,200 --> 02:11:25,080
Speaker 1: care about the bones at all, and they're just chopping

2147
02:11:25,200 --> 02:11:26,840
Speaker 1: up that whole file at throwing the whole thing in

2148
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:30,240
Speaker 1: the fryer, and you're like eating around the bones head

2149
02:11:30,360 --> 02:11:34,040
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. Man, I went to a place where

2150
02:11:34,080 --> 02:11:35,360
Speaker 1: they were trying to use and to make This guy

2151
02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:37,120
Speaker 1: was trying to start out this place and make fish

2152
02:11:37,160 --> 02:11:40,000
Speaker 1: oil out of them and drank some of that oil

2153
02:11:40,080 --> 02:11:43,560
Speaker 1: out of them. He was trying to like incinerate them,

2154
02:11:43,800 --> 02:11:46,200
Speaker 1: you know, and then you get like an oil from

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02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:48,960
Speaker 1: the wild. He was trying to find a way that

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02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:54,040
Speaker 1: they could sort of get some economic some byproducts off

2157
02:11:54,080 --> 02:11:56,920
Speaker 1: of them, you know, in order to encourage harvest. Yeah,

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02:11:57,000 --> 02:12:02,480
Speaker 1: well that's what the status Tennessee Uh, Tennessee Wildlife Resource

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02:12:02,840 --> 02:12:07,240
Speaker 1: Agency is actually putting a ten cent per pound um,

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02:12:07,800 --> 02:12:11,400
Speaker 1: not a bounty, but basically like a state incentive, which

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02:12:11,480 --> 02:12:16,280
Speaker 1: brings the market price of Asian carp up to uh,

2162
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:21,240
Speaker 1: you know, right in the ballpark of catfish catfish. Yeah,

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02:12:21,680 --> 02:12:25,680
Speaker 1: so they're subsidizing the subsidizing the commercial harvest. Yeah, they're

2164
02:12:25,720 --> 02:12:29,200
Speaker 1: even supplying nets two folks that want to get into

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02:12:29,360 --> 02:12:33,240
Speaker 1: the catfish gild netting game. The carpet gild netting yep,

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02:12:33,600 --> 02:12:36,880
Speaker 1: ver sorry, carte gild netting. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: But the way it was explained to me when I

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Speaker 1: was looking into this about that netting is when they

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02:12:42,000 --> 02:12:43,760
Speaker 1: first came in there, they would have like nine inch

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02:12:43,800 --> 02:12:46,000
Speaker 1: square gill net in order to let all the game

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02:12:46,080 --> 02:12:50,360
Speaker 1: fish through, and you can pretty quickly eliminate like certain

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02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:54,560
Speaker 1: size classes of fish out of waters. But as that

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02:12:54,640 --> 02:12:57,760
Speaker 1: with them being filter feeders, that the idea that they

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02:12:57,840 --> 02:12:59,480
Speaker 1: put forth to me, what we're talking about, like these

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02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:02,520
Speaker 1: these invade of carp species in the Mississippi Ohio rivers.

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02:13:04,120 --> 02:13:07,360
Speaker 1: What they're saying is that you could eliminate size classes

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Speaker 1: and be pretty strategic or pretty surgical with your mesh

2178
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:14,760
Speaker 1: size what size carp you're catching. But even if you

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Speaker 1: removed all of the large fish, so let's say even

2180
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:22,480
Speaker 1: dropped down to a four inch mesh, right, you'll remove

2181
02:13:22,600 --> 02:13:24,800
Speaker 1: all of the carp that are of a certain size,

2182
02:13:25,640 --> 02:13:30,160
Speaker 1: but the river will still support X pounds of carp.

2183
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:36,280
Speaker 1: It's just achieving its poundages through different sized fish. So

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02:13:36,880 --> 02:13:40,320
Speaker 1: by removing all this higher age class size class fish,

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02:13:41,200 --> 02:13:43,880
Speaker 1: You're still gonna have the same number of pounds of

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02:13:43,960 --> 02:13:46,320
Speaker 1: filter feeding carp. You're just not gonna have any big ones.

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02:13:46,360 --> 02:13:48,680
Speaker 1: You just got shiploads of small ones and they're eating

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02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:51,480
Speaker 1: the same amount of food. Yeah, does that explained? Because

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02:13:51,480 --> 02:13:53,160
Speaker 1: this is an old idea. I don't know if it's

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02:13:53,200 --> 02:13:56,200
Speaker 1: still current. I think it is still current. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the way you measure any sort of life in a

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02:13:59,320 --> 02:14:02,480
Speaker 1: river is just biomass. And so so if you're a

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Speaker 1: big trout person, you could go to a river that's

2194
02:14:05,320 --> 02:14:10,920
Speaker 1: got six eighty pound trout. Let's say, right, it never happened,

2195
02:14:10,960 --> 02:14:14,760
Speaker 1: But unless you're talking taman or something, anyway, you could

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02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:18,560
Speaker 1: have like six eighty pound trout, or you could have

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02:14:19,600 --> 02:14:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, eight hundred six pound trout. Being that that's

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Speaker 1: what that's what they're saying. The problem with with gil

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Speaker 1: netting carp is, Yeah, you're not going to reduce the

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02:14:30,360 --> 02:14:32,839
Speaker 1: poundage of carp that are in the river eating plankton.

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Speaker 1: You're just gonna change the size structure. And what they

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02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:42,040
Speaker 1: need is like other fish in that game's fish category

2203
02:14:42,640 --> 02:14:48,800
Speaker 1: to have like booming population years that could outbalance that

2204
02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:53,040
Speaker 1: biomass equation, which is pretty much isn't gonna happen because

2205
02:14:53,080 --> 02:14:56,640
Speaker 1: the carp is so good at reproducing and you know,

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02:14:56,720 --> 02:14:59,440
Speaker 1: a huge carp is going to create a hell of

2207
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:02,360
Speaker 1: a lot more eggs then a tiny Maybe over the

2208
02:15:02,440 --> 02:15:04,720
Speaker 1: long term you can wind of driving down the biomass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And you know the issue with specifically these

2210
02:15:09,080 --> 02:15:14,000
Speaker 1: filter feeding carp is they eat the same thing as

2211
02:15:14,080 --> 02:15:17,480
Speaker 1: they do when they're ninety as they do when they're

2212
02:15:18,040 --> 02:15:23,560
Speaker 1: juvenile fish um, which is zoo plankton and your game

2213
02:15:23,640 --> 02:15:26,920
Speaker 1: fish species. When they're a juvenile fish, that's what they

2214
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:32,040
Speaker 1: start out eating is zoo plankton. Then they move on too,

2215
02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, other foods. But the issue is right, you

2216
02:15:37,600 --> 02:15:45,200
Speaker 1: could have tens of thousands of ninety pound filter feeders

2217
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:48,720
Speaker 1: that are eating the same thing as you know, you're

2218
02:15:48,800 --> 02:15:53,280
Speaker 1: one inch finger laying bass or pike or whatever, walleye

2219
02:15:53,360 --> 02:15:57,680
Speaker 1: croppy um. So they're going to outcompete those tiny, tiny fish.

2220
02:15:58,960 --> 02:16:01,480
Speaker 1: That's the fear up, well, not even fear. I think

2221
02:16:01,480 --> 02:16:04,880
Speaker 1: it's demonstrated. Now you see a decrease in game fish

2222
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:08,240
Speaker 1: and sent those areas. Isn't that true? Um? Is that

2223
02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:11,160
Speaker 1: not true yet? Man? According to the data, it's not

2224
02:16:11,280 --> 02:16:14,600
Speaker 1: true yet. UM, like not seeing the repercussions in the

2225
02:16:14,760 --> 02:16:16,720
Speaker 1: game fish. But what they're seeing is that they're seeing

2226
02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:21,600
Speaker 1: a reduction in game fish that anglers are bringing m UM,

2227
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:23,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of it is just trying to figure

2228
02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:25,840
Speaker 1: out how to fish around the carp. So, like one

2229
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:27,440
Speaker 1: of the guys that we went out with, he's a

2230
02:16:27,480 --> 02:16:31,600
Speaker 1: big time croppy guy. He was very frustrated with the fishery. Um,

2231
02:16:31,640 --> 02:16:35,720
Speaker 1: there's carp everywhere, um, and you're you know, traditional ways

2232
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:38,800
Speaker 1: of fishing for the croppie would be to get like

2233
02:16:38,959 --> 02:16:42,120
Speaker 1: right on top of structure and fish down to it.

2234
02:16:43,440 --> 02:16:46,039
Speaker 1: But what he found out that you were doing, because

2235
02:16:46,040 --> 02:16:48,080
Speaker 1: this guy was really into the side scam so in

2236
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:51,640
Speaker 1: are I could really see what was happening. Is he'd

2237
02:16:51,680 --> 02:16:54,040
Speaker 1: go over the top of structure, there'd be a bunch

2238
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:57,520
Speaker 1: of carp above the structure, the carpet freak out and

2239
02:16:57,680 --> 02:17:01,480
Speaker 1: bail and then he'd get like maybe a croppy off

2240
02:17:01,560 --> 02:17:05,840
Speaker 1: of the structure. But if you sat thirty yards back

2241
02:17:07,320 --> 02:17:12,240
Speaker 1: and cast to the structure, making longer cast for croppy guy, um,

2242
02:17:12,640 --> 02:17:15,279
Speaker 1: the carp would remain there on top of the structure.

2243
02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:19,120
Speaker 1: His little tiny crop he baited fall through the carp

2244
02:17:19,440 --> 02:17:21,600
Speaker 1: and he'd be able to pick off. You know, half

2245
02:17:21,640 --> 02:17:25,320
Speaker 1: a dozen croppy off of that chunk of structure because

2246
02:17:25,360 --> 02:17:29,960
Speaker 1: they weren't blown out when the cart blew out. Yeah,

2247
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:33,000
Speaker 1: or feeling the disturbance in the force if you will, Yeah,

2248
02:17:33,120 --> 02:17:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm with you. Interesting suppose you've got any concluders, just

2249
02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:41,840
Speaker 1: like peg bag. Enough of what Danielle and and Cal said,

2250
02:17:41,879 --> 02:17:44,280
Speaker 1: it is just like try stuff for yourself. I can't

2251
02:17:44,800 --> 02:17:46,400
Speaker 1: tell you how many times I was a kid that

2252
02:17:46,520 --> 02:17:48,600
Speaker 1: I had in my head because someone said it that

2253
02:17:48,680 --> 02:17:52,960
Speaker 1: like a running buck tastes bad, or antelope is gross. Um,

2254
02:17:53,400 --> 02:17:57,199
Speaker 1: just stuff like that, and you need to just try

2255
02:17:57,280 --> 02:18:00,240
Speaker 1: it for yourself. Like Danielle cooked a turkey sponge, right,

2256
02:18:00,920 --> 02:18:03,840
Speaker 1: that's really strange, but it was good. I hadn't heard

2257
02:18:03,840 --> 02:18:06,520
Speaker 1: of anybody cooking it before, but knowing what it was

2258
02:18:06,720 --> 02:18:08,680
Speaker 1: made me wonder why do we throw it away? And

2259
02:18:08,959 --> 02:18:12,240
Speaker 1: I I'm willing to eat something that could be horribly,

2260
02:18:12,320 --> 02:18:16,160
Speaker 1: horribly terrible just to know for myself that it's bad

2261
02:18:16,240 --> 02:18:19,840
Speaker 1: instead of just hearsay of it. There's a sponge away,

2262
02:18:19,879 --> 02:18:23,120
Speaker 1: it's worthless. And recently the obvious we we've cooked things

2263
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:26,879
Speaker 1: as extreme as like crow and badger and it tasted

2264
02:18:26,959 --> 02:18:30,040
Speaker 1: like red meat or tasted like dark meat from a

2265
02:18:30,120 --> 02:18:34,480
Speaker 1: game bird. So you just don't like let those misconceptions

2266
02:18:34,560 --> 02:18:37,520
Speaker 1: kind of muddy your view of a different wild game. Yeah.

2267
02:18:37,600 --> 02:18:38,880
Speaker 1: I mean my whole lot of people are like, oh,

2268
02:18:39,160 --> 02:18:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, panda bear burger isn't great. You know, it

2269
02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:45,400
Speaker 1: really slowed you down, and you like get that in

2270
02:18:45,440 --> 02:18:48,760
Speaker 1: your head. Then later you realize I should have been

2271
02:18:48,840 --> 02:18:51,200
Speaker 1: hunting these things my whole life. You realize you could

2272
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:55,800
Speaker 1: have got a really pretty jacket and a great burger. Uh,

2273
02:18:56,840 --> 02:18:58,280
Speaker 1: A lot of what we call over here. You can

2274
02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:02,200
Speaker 1: go find out about the meat eat dot com. Tons

2275
02:19:02,280 --> 02:19:06,600
Speaker 1: of information there, food stuff, Danielle's writing, Spencer's writing, all

2276
02:19:06,720 --> 02:19:10,360
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. We'll touch on greater detail there. Um

2277
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:15,480
Speaker 1: what else? Plug away, follow me on Instagram, Steven Ronella

2278
02:19:15,800 --> 02:19:19,320
Speaker 1: at Stephen Ronella and then you can look and find

2279
02:19:19,360 --> 02:19:22,360
Speaker 1: stuff and be like the do the do You're real

2280
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Speaker 1: great no protective iywear. Yeah you're explitting when you're bear

2281
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Speaker 1: feed again. All right, thank you