Speaker 1: Hell I Suck Good Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared
Speaker 1: and I heart radio podcast. Hey, everybody, welcome to an
Speaker 1: all new episode of Help I Suck At Dating. My
Speaker 1: name is Jared have Ben, and I'm not joined in
Speaker 1: studio by Dean Angler. I think he's in Greece, still
Speaker 1: traveling the world. I am not joined by Skype with
Speaker 1: Vanessa Grimaldi because I'm pretty sure she's in Italy right now.
Speaker 1: I'm curious why my heart didn't fly me out to
Speaker 1: Europe so we could do a live podcast euro trip style.
Speaker 1: I'm a little disappointed, but that's okay. I'm in studio
Speaker 1: with a wonderful guest, But that's okay. That's okay. I'm
Speaker 1: not disappointed anymore because I'm looking to my right and
Speaker 1: I have a wonderful, amazing guest host today with me.
Speaker 1: It is Sadie Murray. Ladies and gentlemen, so happy to
Speaker 1: be here. No, we're very happy to have you here. Sadie.
Speaker 1: You have been on the podcast before, but you were
Speaker 1: not in studio. No, I was calling from home because
Speaker 1: I had a pin nerve And how did you get
Speaker 1: that pinchon nerve? You know, I'm really committed to my
Speaker 1: downward dog, and I was in a hot yoga and
Speaker 1: I let I let my ego take over. They say,
Speaker 1: don't do that in yoga, but the girl next to
Speaker 1: me was really flexible and I was like me too,
Speaker 1: And you thought you could get even more down with
Speaker 1: the downward dog. The next thing you know, I'm like
Speaker 1: laying flat on the ground and can't move and needed
Speaker 1: some heavy medication to feel better. So called in Right
Speaker 1: after I took that medication. Talk to you guys. You
Speaker 1: sounded very so. I don't know we could go back
Speaker 1: and listen. Well, maybe I'll go back and listen now,
Speaker 1: just to see. I don't think blurs. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think you were fine, liking and never hurt anybody
Speaker 1: before doing an on air podcast. You were just fine.
Speaker 1: You said nothing but horrible things about everybody. Um but Sadie.
Speaker 1: So you are. You were formerly on the Bachelor, Yes,
Speaker 1: and you were on the season with Prince what was
Speaker 1: his name, Lorenzo Borghazy. Lauren Zo Borghazy. It sounds like
Speaker 1: a pasta dish, right it does? Do you want the
Speaker 1: noodles better? Pasta is better? So if you're if you
Speaker 1: had a bowl of Lorenzo Borghaze or a bowl of
Speaker 1: pasta Alfredo in front of you. You're going with the Alfredo,
Speaker 1: going with my man fred on that. I don't blame
Speaker 1: me there so, but you were runner up. I was,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I was so confident walking into that
Speaker 1: Roads Final Road ceremony. I wore a white dress, Jared like,
Speaker 1: I was like, you ready to go, Like, let's do
Speaker 1: the wedding. Now, you get on one knee and as
Speaker 1: soon as you get up, Chris Harrison will walk in.
Speaker 1: He officiants. Both you will walk out a married couple
Speaker 1: and live happily ever after as Prince and Princess. Lorenzo
Speaker 1: Bagardian same differences, okay. Um. Also, you were not towardsly
Speaker 1: known because you were one of the first people to
Speaker 1: ever admit that they were a virgin on the show.
Speaker 1: That was major back then. By oh yeah. And also
Speaker 1: didn't realize that it would become such a thing because
Speaker 1: I mean, it's obviously so much You're so much more
Speaker 1: than just a virgin. And when you go on that
Speaker 1: show and you know, I just then it became a
Speaker 1: drinking game for people watching after. So that was good.
Speaker 1: What drinking game? Like every time every time I said
Speaker 1: I'm saving myself a marriage. Like people be like, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: take a shot. Um, where do you mind if we
Speaker 1: ask about it? I'm kind of curious. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not still a virgin, and no, I'm not saying And
Speaker 1: there's a new season of the Bachelorette where Sadie finally
Speaker 1: becomes sexually act as. Sadie goes directly into the fantasy
Speaker 1: suites sort of like Hannah like that, Yeah, jumping right in,
Speaker 1: jumping into those windmills. You go from the windmill to
Speaker 1: four dudes in the face your golden yep. Well, I'm curious.
Speaker 1: Did you say on TV that you're saving self from marriage?
Speaker 1: I did, but I think I was. I was. I
Speaker 1: grew up really um Christian and spiritual, and I think
Speaker 1: like in my world that that wasn't abnormal to say,
Speaker 1: so I just brought my real self to the show.
Speaker 1: Little did I know that that would get picked up
Speaker 1: on so much and it would become such a thing.
Speaker 1: Um And of course, like everybody has to make the
Speaker 1: decision that they want for themselves. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: but it definitely it affected me after the show, I
Speaker 1: was weird. It was both ways to like, oh, good
Speaker 1: for her, Like I had like people from churches, Like
Speaker 1: I had people like a pastor stop me and be like,
Speaker 1: you're such a great example for all the young women
Speaker 1: of America. And I was like, what this pressure? And
Speaker 1: then I had people being like she's a liar, She's
Speaker 1: probably a slut. And it was like, but I'm not,
Speaker 1: like what if I want to be like, let me live.
Speaker 1: But I did it to myself. And I always say,
Speaker 1: no one forces you to say anything on these shows,
Speaker 1: so you're responsible for the words coming out of your mouth.
Speaker 1: And you know, I almost wish, I mean, looking back,
Speaker 1: I almost wish that hadn't been part of it. But
Speaker 1: it is what it is. We can't do anything now
Speaker 1: and hopefully you know, but like you said, it was you,
Speaker 1: it was me. It was me at the time, and
Speaker 1: maybe not then Maybe I don't know. Maybe I'll go
Speaker 1: back and then and say I'm glad I did I
Speaker 1: just I guess I wish the edit was different because
Speaker 1: I don't feel like a lot of my personality came
Speaker 1: through like it was just like I'm the virgin. I
Speaker 1: feel like everything makes sense. Yeah, especially with the Bachelor Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: because there's so much camera time that needs to go
Speaker 1: around that you truly are a character. You know, they
Speaker 1: can only show one facet of your personality because like
Speaker 1: every villain who comes off this show says they didn't
Speaker 1: show anything, and it's like, well, you're just you're a character.
Speaker 1: At this point. You know, they're only going to show
Speaker 1: the bad parts of you if you're going to be villainized,
Speaker 1: where if you're gonna be perceived at this prince charming,
Speaker 1: then they're only going to show the good parts because
Speaker 1: that's your character. And so everybody's more than lose it
Speaker 1: off camera exactly, just like if you're villainized, they're not
Speaker 1: going to show this wonderful, amazing moment that you have
Speaker 1: on the show grating everyone's hair exactly. That's why Paradise, everybody,
Speaker 1: i think, gets a little bit more air time of
Speaker 1: who they actually are as a person because it's just
Speaker 1: the cast. There is no lead that you have to
Speaker 1: keep going back to with storylines with different other people.
Speaker 1: It's just like everybody on this beach together and they
Speaker 1: get to show your funny parts and your dramatic parts,
Speaker 1: and you're happy parts and you're you know, sad, it's
Speaker 1: less crafted, you know, and you're not you're probably just
Speaker 1: like relieved to not be on The Bachelor out or
Speaker 1: The Bachelor anymore. And you're like, oh, this is vacation,
Speaker 1: you know I can just relax. Yeah, I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: it's vacation a little bit more stressful. In any vacation
Speaker 1: I've been on, I prefer it turned out no fantastically outside.
Speaker 1: I've never changed the world, change of thing. Um. But so, Sadie,
Speaker 1: so ever since The Bachelor, you've been doing so much
Speaker 1: on air stuff and hosting and and keep us what
Speaker 1: are you doing now? It's been so fun. So I'm
Speaker 1: on um, you know CBS l A all the time,
Speaker 1: and I love doing my monthly segment. They're giving tips
Speaker 1: and tricks on style and beauty and traveling essentials. And
Speaker 1: then of course, my my favorite show is Extra. I
Speaker 1: love love Extra, Extra, Extra Big Mario Lopez girl. Of course,
Speaker 1: come on. Everybody at the show is amazing, though, every
Speaker 1: single person. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, they're great. Extra is awesome.
Speaker 1: I've met uh Mario a couple of times. He's awesome. Um,
Speaker 1: and like you said, the entire staff, there's a soon.
Speaker 1: Everybody's really amazing. It feels like home. It feels good. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely does feel like home. And it's pretty cool that
Speaker 1: they film rate at the Universal location, so you go
Speaker 1: there and that marks right behind you. It's very it's
Speaker 1: a very epic on stage, which is pretty cool. Definitely. Um,
Speaker 1: but Sadie you're here. Did you listen to our last podcast?
Speaker 1: I did. It's been a little while. We need to
Speaker 1: talk about Tori. The date non date, the date non date,
Speaker 1: the Tori went on maybe didn't go on because it
Speaker 1: could have Maybe it was a day, maybe it wasn't day.
Speaker 1: You know, we just need a little bit of closure.
Speaker 1: I think Tory and you know what, it's fantastic about
Speaker 1: this moment right now, Sadie, we have Tori in studio.
Speaker 1: Tori as ever with her long locks. You're like Rapunzel.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Tory. Ashley and I always say how you
Speaker 1: were just like one of the most beautiful people we've
Speaker 1: ever met, like we have were we both crush on you.
Speaker 1: It's pretty funny. You do a sort of mutual though.
Speaker 1: What a good vibe vibe about you. Can we record
Speaker 1: this and send this to the guy that I may
Speaker 1: or may not have gone on a date with. Screw
Speaker 1: this up again? Did he screw it up? Again, should
Speaker 1: we recap a little, Yeah, Tory, give a quick recap
Speaker 1: of what happened in case anybody, which we all know
Speaker 1: everybody listened to the last podcast, but just a quick
Speaker 1: recap of what happened. So I went in asking if
Speaker 1: splitting a tab was me or me offering to pay
Speaker 1: with stiff arming him, and I turned into a whole
Speaker 1: Dean doesn't think this was even a date because he
Speaker 1: showed up wearing athletic wear nikes and then we end
Speaker 1: up splitting the tab. He was like, this is just
Speaker 1: a friend hangout. Jared Vanessa both think that it is
Speaker 1: a date and that he just split the tab and
Speaker 1: just wasn't thinking and didn't have the most swap moves.
Speaker 1: But then you did so many loops around habit Henny.
Speaker 1: I was sweating to extend the date. Yeah, so we
Speaker 1: I tried to with non date, kind of close it.
Speaker 1: After the dinner ecs, I was like, or the lunch
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't really know what's going on.
Speaker 1: So I was like, you might hop on the freeway traffic,
Speaker 1: and then he was like, no, let's keep going, Let's
Speaker 1: keep going. I was throwing out things and like I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to press you whatever, and then he texted
Speaker 1: you after. Then he texted me after saying he had
Speaker 1: a great time. He's going to Idaho. He'll text when
Speaker 1: he get back after like that night. Okay, this was
Speaker 1: totally a date. I don't understand how anybody not a date.
Speaker 1: It's not a date. It's not a date. It's not
Speaker 1: a date. It's not a date because one I agree
Speaker 1: with the outfit, like such little effort after three years,
Speaker 1: even being an athlete, I don't care, just because do
Speaker 1: you know how many good looking, well all dressed athletes are.
Speaker 1: I mean that's like saying like I don't even know.
Speaker 1: That is not an excuse. And also like basketball shorts.
Speaker 1: Come on. As a guy, I can confidently say that
Speaker 1: we as men are dumb and we do dumb stuff,
Speaker 1: and we might go on a date under dressing. Because
Speaker 1: here's the thing. As a guy, our ego gets the
Speaker 1: best of us, and sometimes we will put effort into
Speaker 1: showcasing that we're not putting effort into something. Those our guys, Tori.
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying this guy did it, But I
Speaker 1: am kind of saying I think this guy didn't, like
Speaker 1: maybe he was under compensation. Yeah, to like show confidence whatever,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, no, this is cool, it's fun. You know
Speaker 1: that I wear shorts and it doesn't matter. I mean
Speaker 1: unless you're doing like a game of pickup or like
Speaker 1: horse at the bathroom. I mean, this guy could have
Speaker 1: been playing a game a pickup. If we need more
Speaker 1: sound effects in our life Easton, Yes, so yeah. He
Speaker 1: followed up being like, Hey, had a great time. I'll
Speaker 1: let you know when I get back. Why can't he
Speaker 1: text you? Well, he's in Idaho? Does his phone network
Speaker 1: there Ida? Who is no service in Idaho anywhere you go?
Speaker 1: But you know what, it is kind of hard doing
Speaker 1: the whole texting for a really long time until the
Speaker 1: next time you meet up. Yeah, but I mean, and
Speaker 1: an article, a funny meme like keep it a little
Speaker 1: bit along. I love guys send me articles like did
Speaker 1: you see I'm a dork though a full blown door?
Speaker 1: What type of articles do you get sent to you?
Speaker 1: I actually I actually drunk and texted an X and
Speaker 1: sent him um an article on the blue lobster. Did
Speaker 1: you guys see that the blue lobster that got I
Speaker 1: don't want to get bogged down in the minutia of
Speaker 1: the blue lobster right now. But I can under I'm
Speaker 1: getting a glimpse into your dating life, Sadie. I like
Speaker 1: date line six. I like I'm a door. Like I
Speaker 1: read the New York Times on Sunday and that is
Speaker 1: my favorite thing to do with coffee, and like, I
Speaker 1: love it. And I also like being informed. What's wrong
Speaker 1: with that? So you want this guy to send Tories
Speaker 1: some sort of cnox. I don't know what Tories into,
Speaker 1: but I know that I would love a CNN article.
Speaker 1: I would love to know about you know, what he
Speaker 1: thinks on the Mueller Report. I mean, maybe this is
Speaker 1: we need you on the podcast more often. This is
Speaker 1: amazing stuff, all right, So okay, let's get back to
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. So then he texts me like, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: back in town. How are you have you been? Like
Speaker 1: what did I miss? So we're like chatting for a
Speaker 1: bit and how long was he gone? Like five days? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I got really sick this last weekend. So but
Speaker 1: then I had to like I had a lot of
Speaker 1: prior prior plans that I had to get done. Um
Speaker 1: and so I was like, oh yeah, I'm sick. He's like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Like, don't want to bring you tea. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm still is it a date or not? We still
Speaker 1: know this isn't a date, but this is just a
Speaker 1: nice jes yeah, um and bring you to know. So,
Speaker 1: I had a good and I was driving to some
Speaker 1: in California for like a birthday party I was going to.
Speaker 1: So I was just like, oh, that's so sweet of
Speaker 1: you know, and he was like, hey, here's everything you
Speaker 1: need to take, Like, here's what you should be getting,
Speaker 1: Like go to CVS, grab all these things and like
Speaker 1: this thing hydrate to like double as fast. I go
Speaker 1: get this packet and like, I hope you feel better.
Speaker 1: And then we like chatted for a bit and then
Speaker 1: so do you think that that changes if it was
Speaker 1: a date or not? To see how much he actually
Speaker 1: cares about Tory. Now, he could just care about you
Speaker 1: as a friend, but I also think that he's really
Speaker 1: trying to impress you. I feel like this. I feel
Speaker 1: like he himself was not sure if it was going
Speaker 1: to be a date or not, and I think he
Speaker 1: was maybe wanting to feel it out first, which is
Speaker 1: maybe the reason why he was wearing basketball short. Isn't
Speaker 1: that a date? Though? Isn't that the definition of a
Speaker 1: date when you feel it out, Like that's the whole
Speaker 1: point of a first day, you feeling thanks. They've had
Speaker 1: such a weird history, the drunken face times and also
Speaker 1: meeting at stagecoach. I mean, that's like meeting someone in Vegas.
Speaker 1: What is that even going to be? But for me,
Speaker 1: that makes it even more of a date because of
Speaker 1: the history right where you're finally making plans to hang
Speaker 1: out one on one. I mean then I just don't
Speaker 1: see how it hang out so like anti climactic though,
Speaker 1: because it's like after three years, then we stroll on
Speaker 1: Abbot Kenny with my basketball shorts and then I make
Speaker 1: you pay for my latte. A date doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be climactic. I don't know what I think we want
Speaker 1: our dates to be pretty climactic. Um, so you were sick,
Speaker 1: he was cute, offered you and told you to go
Speaker 1: get some you know night, Like, okay, it's like your
Speaker 1: first time being sick. But sure, um and now what
Speaker 1: so now? I mean I haven't I haven't really talked
Speaker 1: him about like two days, okay, so I don't know
Speaker 1: he's in he's up now, Honestly, I don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: but God, I hope so. And here's the thing, it's
Speaker 1: not even like he wasn't a bad date. He wasn't anything.
Speaker 1: It just completely threw me for a loop on being like, okay,
Speaker 1: from now on, when people ask you to hang out.
Speaker 1: For me, I used dating very loosely. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're just getting to know each other, like you could
Speaker 1: be dating ten people, because it just means, oh, you're
Speaker 1: just going on dates with them and getting to know them.
Speaker 1: So I feel like when somebody says, hey, I would
Speaker 1: love to spend time with you and get to know you,
Speaker 1: it's a date. I agree. So for me, it threw
Speaker 1: me for a loop when I offered to pay, I
Speaker 1: honestly like my card went through when I was shocked
Speaker 1: because I was like so not ready to pay, you know,
Speaker 1: because it was like we were having a great time.
Speaker 1: It was great. And then maybe he maybe he wasn't
Speaker 1: raised right, because I think that the guy would have
Speaker 1: that absolutely not. I don't want to throw this guy's
Speaker 1: parents under the bus over here. Hey, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ever let my son walk out and
Speaker 1: going on dating basketball SHOT's but anyway, I I just
Speaker 1: don't I think it was just two friends hanging out
Speaker 1: after a while and maybe there would be something there.
Speaker 1: And I don't feel like that that's a date. I
Speaker 1: feel I really don't hold on. Why don't? But I
Speaker 1: think what we're getting down to is the definition of
Speaker 1: the date, because what you exactly said before, you said
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a date, like getting to
Speaker 1: know you. I agree with you, right, that's a date
Speaker 1: to me. But to me, when he allowed her to pay,
Speaker 1: that is when it became more of a friend, because
Speaker 1: especially the first time, especially the first, your first date,
Speaker 1: you want to give the best impression ever. You want
Speaker 1: her to walk away feeling wow, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: do that again. That was so much fun. The last
Speaker 1: thing a guy who's really interested in a girl wants
Speaker 1: the girl to think is gosh, what was that? Do
Speaker 1: I need to text him? I'm confused? That was weird? Huh?
Speaker 1: And like that's guys when they want something, they want something,
Speaker 1: they make it so clear. I don't think. I. I
Speaker 1: think you're thinking of a guy that you want to see,
Speaker 1: not how guys actually operates. Sed Maybe I'm manifesting right
Speaker 1: here in the studio. Maybe he'll just walk through the door.
Speaker 1: I think that you have to realize that in this
Speaker 1: day and age, guys don't go after what they want.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think a massive I think a massive
Speaker 1: majority of them don't. I think guys are far more
Speaker 1: vulnerable than they have been in any type at any
Speaker 1: point in society before. And I think guys are afraid
Speaker 1: to show their vulnerability. And one way that guys shy
Speaker 1: away from showing vulnerability is going after what they want.
Speaker 1: Because if they go after what they want and failed,
Speaker 1: then they failed. But if they go to something, not
Speaker 1: something that they don't want, but show that hey, no,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm totally cool, I'm I'm aloof to this whole
Speaker 1: thing too, don't even worry about it, then there's really
Speaker 1: no letdown because in his head, he never really it
Speaker 1: for it. That makes sense, even though in his head
Speaker 1: I still think that he thought it was a date. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I could be wrong. I over analyze
Speaker 1: a lot of things. I do too. I completely understand.
Speaker 1: I also, I just I feel though, like if he
Speaker 1: wanted it to be a date, you would have known,
Speaker 1: and the fact that you're we're talking about it on
Speaker 1: a podcast, but then he texted you afterwards, and then
Speaker 1: and then he texted you when he got back from Idaho.
Speaker 1: Do you like he's showing interest. Yeah, But here's my
Speaker 1: my question. Let's let's talk endgame. Let's bring this all
Speaker 1: the way down to let's to this thing. Let's bring
Speaker 1: this down the field. Okay. How long is he in
Speaker 1: town as he moved as he moved here permanently or
Speaker 1: is he leaving He's leaving end of July. Okay, So
Speaker 1: this is a temporary thing and he wants something casual. Okay.
Speaker 1: That does change the game a little bit. And he's
Speaker 1: he's sussing it out, he's feeling it out, he's trying
Speaker 1: to see Okay, will she sleep with me? Will she not?
Speaker 1: Do I need to buy her a lot day? I
Speaker 1: don't know. So he's feeling you out, he's keeping it casual.
Speaker 1: Where's he going at the end of like far away?
Speaker 1: I don't back Cleveland? Okay, that's right, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's right. Professional. Yeah, and he's not paying for you.
Speaker 1: I would be wanting bachelor dates from this guy. Well
Speaker 1: he was while he's in down you know what I mean? Like, sure,
Speaker 1: what I guess. The main thing I would want to
Speaker 1: know is like, should I stop offering to pay. Is
Speaker 1: that about? Because I offered to pay on a date
Speaker 1: that I had that following Friday, and he was like,
Speaker 1: absolutely not, I asked you to be here, But I
Speaker 1: still offered because I still want to be kind, But like,
Speaker 1: what's the etiquette on that? Because I want to be
Speaker 1: kind as a girl and not expecting that. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, I don't want to be friend zoning
Speaker 1: or stiff farming. I'm a firm believer letting the guy
Speaker 1: pick up the tab for dinner, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: but doing the doing the gesture where we really reached
Speaker 1: for a long time for a person we just can't
Speaker 1: find our wallet for minute, and then he pays, and
Speaker 1: then you do, Hey, want to grab a drink somewhere?
Speaker 1: I'd love to buy you a drink after Like that's
Speaker 1: my move. Well, you know. The great thing about Etiquette,
Speaker 1: at least today is that we have a professional at
Speaker 1: etiquette coming onto the podcast later on. Her name is
Speaker 1: Micah Meyer. She's the founder and director of an etiquette
Speaker 1: online class, and she's coming right up. But first we're
Speaker 1: gonna take a little break. We have a very special
Speaker 1: guest on the phone line calling in right now. The
Speaker 1: founder and director of how do we beaumont Beaumont etiquette.
Speaker 1: I'm terrible at pronouncing any word. Really. We have Michael
Speaker 1: Meyer on the line, Mica, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us. Hi, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: I love what you're doing is amazing. Oh well, thank you.
Speaker 1: You know, we're just trying to help the masses and
Speaker 1: not sucking at dating too much anymore. Now, Mica, you're
Speaker 1: working with Venmo right now on an electronic app etiquette.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Well, I mean, really, when you
Speaker 1: think about it, think about every kind of communication. We
Speaker 1: really now have um is on our phones for the
Speaker 1: most part, so there's never been rules you know before
Speaker 1: about you know, what to do what not to do,
Speaker 1: And all of these conversations started coming up about like
Speaker 1: what what you know with venmo? Right, everybody everybody uses Venmo,
Speaker 1: So it's one of those things for what is the
Speaker 1: actual like what should we do? What are the you know,
Speaker 1: how long do I have to pay someone back? What
Speaker 1: if someone doesn't pay me back? All these different questions
Speaker 1: are coming up, and so Venmo kind of asked user
Speaker 1: community what they thought of kind of the hottest topics,
Speaker 1: needing being one of them, and um we kind of
Speaker 1: created a roadmap, if you will, of kind of the
Speaker 1: dues and don't of of venmo etiquette. I'm curious, so
Speaker 1: if if say, guy and a girl go on a date,
Speaker 1: guy pays for the date, does the girl feel any
Speaker 1: pressure to send a venmo or excuse me, should the
Speaker 1: guys have feel any pressure to send a Venmo request?
Speaker 1: Is that a thing like? Well, it is such a
Speaker 1: big thing. Is that like an unspoken thing? Should it
Speaker 1: be spoken at the date? Well? Yeah, So this is
Speaker 1: one of the hottest topics right now, and it is
Speaker 1: really what I always advised. Um in the venmo community
Speaker 1: kind of said this, and I completely agree that there
Speaker 1: shouldn't be any surprises with dating. So, for instance, if
Speaker 1: you are going to a concert, or you're going into
Speaker 1: dinner whatever it is, and you intend to ask somebody
Speaker 1: to chip in for that meal, then it's it's telling
Speaker 1: them ahead of times, Hey, the concert tickets are twenty
Speaker 1: five dollars. Do you want to go on Saturday night?
Speaker 1: Not just after the concert sending a Venmo request? Um, So,
Speaker 1: it's the elimination of the prizes that I think is
Speaker 1: the big thing there. A surprise Venmo requires is ever
Speaker 1: wanted no, it's have you ever been friend requested on
Speaker 1: venmo by somebody? You just have no idea who the
Speaker 1: hell they are. I get that all the time, and
Speaker 1: I'm curious why people are trying to friend request me
Speaker 1: on venmo. You're going toge social media. This is going
Speaker 1: to blow your mind. So people are actually using venmo
Speaker 1: as a social app, so they want to know. So
Speaker 1: maybe they've heard the podcast they you know, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the friend of a friend, so people. Look,
Speaker 1: people are checking the app, but three times a week,
Speaker 1: not even to pay with the extender with the money,
Speaker 1: to see what people are doing in their social fee.
Speaker 1: The emojis, yeah you have funny you know, request or
Speaker 1: payment and put some like fun emojis. Somebody can see
Speaker 1: that and be like, oh, who's this fun guy and
Speaker 1: then request you. So people are using it as a
Speaker 1: social app as well, just another way to make someone jealous.
Speaker 1: Obviously that's the only point of venmo. I'm curious, Micah. Now,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about who should pay on a
Speaker 1: first date, or if a guy and a girl should split,
Speaker 1: or even a guy and a guy, a girl and
Speaker 1: a girl. What is the etiquette of a first date?
Speaker 1: And who pays even outside of Venmo today. Sure, sure,
Speaker 1: and so this is we teach the dating etiquette. Um.
Speaker 1: Of course at the Pado Hotel. You must come with
Speaker 1: during the neighborhood ever, please, it's so fun, um, but
Speaker 1: we with this. This question is probably the number one
Speaker 1: question we get, and I advise I teach very gender
Speaker 1: neutral e generally speaking. And I truly believe it has
Speaker 1: less to do with um anything else except for who
Speaker 1: invited the other person out, and whoever, whoever the person
Speaker 1: was that invited the other person out, chose the restaurant,
Speaker 1: you know, chose if their budget, they should pay. I
Speaker 1: truly believe that, and that worked with all same you know,
Speaker 1: same gender um dating. It doesn't even matter whoever is
Speaker 1: the inviter is the person I believe that should pay.
Speaker 1: So even if a girl asks a guy out, like
Speaker 1: let's grab a drink sometime, this place is in my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: like let's go to you know, let's go to the
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills Hotel. Let's go to the Beverly Hills Hotel.
Speaker 1: So for example, Mica say, hypothetically, Sadie asked me out
Speaker 1: on a date. Now I'm gonna gage man so that
Speaker 1: can happen. But hypothetically, Sadie asked me out, we go
Speaker 1: out to where you want to go, Sadie, I would
Speaker 1: like to go to the polo lounge. I mean on
Speaker 1: a roll, let's do it. So we're gonna go to
Speaker 1: the polo lounge. Shady chooses we go on the first date.
Speaker 1: We are both mutually interested in each other, though we've
Speaker 1: both been flirting showing signs. We go to the polo lounge.
Speaker 1: The check comes. You're saying Sadie should pay the bill.
Speaker 1: I say that Sadie should be prepared to pay the bill. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know he decides. You know, the guy in
Speaker 1: the relationship in this case, hypothetically, do you say, you
Speaker 1: know what, thank you so much. That's so kind of you.
Speaker 1: I would love to treat you this time. Then Sadie,
Speaker 1: who is prepared to pay um, would just say thank you,
Speaker 1: that's so kind, and then so kind than otherwise I
Speaker 1: would just venmo request you yes. Right. So I think
Speaker 1: the person who invites chooses if their budget they should
Speaker 1: go in expecting to pay. Now the other person says no,
Speaker 1: really like this is I would really love to treat you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, that it's so kind, like whatever
Speaker 1: it is, that's all of my things so kind. But
Speaker 1: if that's the case, then Sadie says, thank you, she
Speaker 1: should go into it. She shouldn't be picking the most
Speaker 1: expensive place and then expecting someone else to pay for it.
Speaker 1: Just keep that in mind, Sadie. As for the record,
Speaker 1: I I do like to pick up the tab. I'd
Speaker 1: like to do the Slie move where like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go use the restroom, yes, and then I end
Speaker 1: up like it's taking care. But I'm more been every
Speaker 1: once in a while girl, because I've been the person
Speaker 1: in the relationship who pays for a lot of things
Speaker 1: and it's not a good feeling though, So I think
Speaker 1: once you're in a relationship, you should be aware that
Speaker 1: you need to pay even right. I think in dating,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I'm just more traditional, like I don't.
Speaker 1: I think we all are. I don't. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's I think you're right. I think there's just friends
Speaker 1: on your dating style. Um, and if you massed up
Speaker 1: with somebody who's not the same dating stilesy, it's not
Speaker 1: going to work. So you you also need to find
Speaker 1: somebody who's more traditional in that way then, um, but
Speaker 1: with modern dating that's kind of the the thing. And
Speaker 1: I also say, if somebody, say, you know, two people
Speaker 1: go on a date and somebody goes and picks up
Speaker 1: the bill, I or like kind of takes the bill
Speaker 1: across the table and still you know, if it's an
Speaker 1: obvious gesture for one thing, but if it's kind of
Speaker 1: like sits there, you shouldn't expect that other person is
Speaker 1: going to pay. I would always take out my wallet
Speaker 1: and then let them say, oh no, like you know,
Speaker 1: you know, my treat or it happened to me once
Speaker 1: where that didn't happen and I had not two pennies
Speaker 1: to my name and the man wasn't picking up the bill.
Speaker 1: So then I took out my credit card and took
Speaker 1: the bill and goes, oh, that's so nice to you,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. My god. I wasn't even sure
Speaker 1: if my credit card was going to go through Old
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. I had no idea who was even paying
Speaker 1: those credit card. Um, and by miracle went through. But
Speaker 1: you know, so he has to be prepaired. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure that was like the longest three minutes of your life.
Speaker 1: For when the servit took the credit card. Oh that's amazing.
Speaker 1: What a great story though, And I never saw him again,
Speaker 1: of course not. You know, the guy wanted a free dinner.
Speaker 1: What can you say? Remember that one guy that did
Speaker 1: that on all the dating apps, like he would just
Speaker 1: go and then like leave the bill, like you really
Speaker 1: the date dash or dining dash remember in California. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it happened in Yeah. Now. The other thing we care
Speaker 1: of out of just the past couple of weeks with
Speaker 1: this discussion is people who go on a date and
Speaker 1: the person offers, can I, you know, chip in for
Speaker 1: these drinks and then the other person says no, And
Speaker 1: after the date, you know that the person who paid
Speaker 1: follows up and says, we'd love to take you out again.
Speaker 1: The person the other person says, you know, I just
Speaker 1: didn't feel any chemistry, but thank you for you know,
Speaker 1: last night, it was really nice of you. And then
Speaker 1: they get the Venmo request. Yes, we've heard this a
Speaker 1: few times too, so you can deny vemo request, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: you don't have to pay Venmo request. You definitely don't
Speaker 1: have to, especially if you've already you've already offered to pay,
Speaker 1: and then and then you didn't, you know, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's that's the wild one, and there's the the It
Speaker 1: was really funny that there's the survey that Vemo did
Speaker 1: with like omnis exact topics, and it was the overall
Speaker 1: kind of like the biggest percentage was it was a
Speaker 1: sixty six percent of families survey did not think it
Speaker 1: was appropriate to take someone a date and then Venmo
Speaker 1: request them for half to go afterwards, regardless of the situation.
Speaker 1: So I feel like most Venmo users are with us
Speaker 1: on that one totally. If you pick up the check,
Speaker 1: do not send a Venmo request the next day for
Speaker 1: half the bill, because I'll say, if I was the
Speaker 1: person receiving that Venom request, I would decline it. And
Speaker 1: that's the virtual way of telling someone to go straight
Speaker 1: to hell. You get out of my first and you
Speaker 1: get a little bit even take a screenshot and post
Speaker 1: it and be like wow, what it did? I know, Well,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of that as people like having discussed
Speaker 1: in points on board Canna read it about kind of
Speaker 1: those exact screen grabs just really happened, Like what would
Speaker 1: you all do? And everyone kind of like chiming in.
Speaker 1: Now I am old fashioned, where I do think that
Speaker 1: guys should pick up the bill. I know it's twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: but what can I say? It's the person I am.
Speaker 1: But I will say from a guy going with my
Speaker 1: experience going on dates, I always appreciated the girl going
Speaker 1: for the reach, you know, the reach of hey, no,
Speaker 1: I'll split this, and it gives me even a little
Speaker 1: bit more pride as a man to say no, no, no,
Speaker 1: yeah I got it. You know, it's hard though, because
Speaker 1: when you're sitting in high bar stools and your purse
Speaker 1: is kind of on the ground and it's a really
Speaker 1: long that's but that's the effort you put in, and
Speaker 1: as a guy, appreciate that. Yeah, no, I I agree.
Speaker 1: My dad always probably that from a really young age.
Speaker 1: You always offer. You always offer, because it comes off
Speaker 1: as expectant. It's like it's like the girl that goes
Speaker 1: on a date and orders the lobster. It's the same
Speaker 1: kind of like did she really just like conspective, it's opportunistic,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's like, those are two things that
Speaker 1: I think are really key for dating. Um. So, I
Speaker 1: also wanted to ask about friend zoning someone. Uh do
Speaker 1: you think if you ah, is it friend zoning someone?
Speaker 1: When you offer to pay. I don't think so, because
Speaker 1: I think that person is just trying to show that,
Speaker 1: you know, they can take their own you know, they
Speaker 1: can pay for their own drink. I think if I
Speaker 1: want to date tonight, then I and I would offer.
Speaker 1: I would always reach an offer, and um, and I
Speaker 1: don't think that means I'm not interested. It just shows
Speaker 1: that I'm not expecting. I think that's that's it. And
Speaker 1: I always teaching with etiquette, it's just about respect. That's
Speaker 1: all it really is. This showing respect to the other person.
Speaker 1: I agree, but I feel like some guys take that
Speaker 1: as they're putting the friend zone. If a girl does
Speaker 1: pay for herself instead of letting him pay for her
Speaker 1: could and if they do, then then you know, if
Speaker 1: that is and you know, she feels that vibe right away,
Speaker 1: and then she should make that clear and they thank
Speaker 1: you so much. I've loved this, I would love to
Speaker 1: see you again, like and then maybe she takes the
Speaker 1: initiative to say something. If she feels instantly that that's
Speaker 1: his reaction, then then she you know, there are things
Speaker 1: that she can do or say that will, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of change the way that maybe she came off,
Speaker 1: it's hard to be a strong independent woman that also
Speaker 1: wants to be taken care of too, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like traditionally, like it's almost like what
Speaker 1: are we supposed to do? Because I mean I was
Speaker 1: brought up thinking that, I mean, the guy really pays
Speaker 1: for mostly everything, like especially when you're first dating, Like
Speaker 1: if he's like asking me out, he's going to pay.
Speaker 1: But like at what point then do I look like
Speaker 1: I'm rude because I'm not at all paying for anything? Right?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you know what I what I
Speaker 1: did with my now husband. I the first three or
Speaker 1: four days, he paid for everything. And then I then
Speaker 1: sent him a message like I would love to take
Speaker 1: you here my treat and it was like a very
Speaker 1: established you know, this is my thing. And then we
Speaker 1: went to this outdoor concert it was like a symphony
Speaker 1: under the Star thing in Central Park, and who I
Speaker 1: bought like because I knew he wouldn't I knew he
Speaker 1: wouldn't let me pay for a restaurant or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So I bought, you know, the wine and the cheese
Speaker 1: and me like that. It was like more than I
Speaker 1: genuinely wanted to treat him. Um, but otherwise, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think you've got to choose something your but
Speaker 1: didn't try your best to show gratitude and if they
Speaker 1: don't want you to pay, then just show gratitude. I think,
Speaker 1: just thank you. It's really um, you know, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I think this is an interesting stat that
Speaker 1: I saw. It says more than half of Venmo users
Speaker 1: between the ages of eighteen and twenty four prefer to
Speaker 1: request separate tricks so as to avoid paying for other
Speaker 1: people's extras. I think that shows kind of the society
Speaker 1: we're living in today. I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying people want to pay for themselves. Now.
Speaker 1: You think it's compressing, and I do. I think that's
Speaker 1: so depressing. And I think that's why as a woman
Speaker 1: who is single, it's so confusing. It's so confusing. Oh,
Speaker 1: we've never lived in a more confusing time, my friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean, I think I see that a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, even out in New York. It's like in
Speaker 1: l A. It's the same thing. It's a very everyone's
Speaker 1: beating out, everyone's dining out, and we see that a lot.
Speaker 1: And it's the only thing I would say is that
Speaker 1: with them. Uh, And you know it's kind of taking
Speaker 1: out the awkwardness a little bit in other ways of
Speaker 1: talking about money instead of you know, everybody's had a
Speaker 1: situation where you did just go out as friends or
Speaker 1: you did just go you know, and then someone would
Speaker 1: you and it was like an awkward thing to follow
Speaker 1: up and now it's just you get a little as reminder. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, with dating, I think I would say
Speaker 1: I would advise always just to go into it, you know,
Speaker 1: thinking that you might be paying. Um. And if you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the night somebody does pay or
Speaker 1: offer let you let you pay when you didn't expect
Speaker 1: to that, then you know that person is not for you.
Speaker 1: M interesting. Uh, Michael, I just had a couple dating
Speaker 1: etiquette questions that I was curious about. What time should
Speaker 1: you arrive for a date a first date? Should you
Speaker 1: arrive on time, five minutes early, ten minutes early, should
Speaker 1: you arrive five minutes late to try to you know,
Speaker 1: not make it seem like your chill, so to invite
Speaker 1: that person gets there right on time because you want
Speaker 1: to be if you so five play in the restaurant
Speaker 1: and I get there on time, or even a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes early, so you get there before the date.
Speaker 1: If you're the person that was invited, then I would
Speaker 1: show up about five minutes after the the arrival time coming.
Speaker 1: I like to do that. I like to make an entrance.
Speaker 1: Ye have your moment if I'm invited out. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: always want to walk in about five minutes late. Now,
Speaker 1: because five minutes late is perfect. If you walk in
Speaker 1: twenty minutes late, you're rude. Exactly exactly minutes, just like
Speaker 1: a tiny little bit after that, so you don't have
Speaker 1: the awkward moment where you both get out of your
Speaker 1: ubers at the same time. If you make your entrance
Speaker 1: and but five minutes and I think much more than
Speaker 1: that is could be even considered it rude. If you're
Speaker 1: saying you are running fifteen minutes, you're stuck in light traffic,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. My kind of rule is for every
Speaker 1: minute you think you're going to be late, you give
Speaker 1: two minutes notice. So just attacks if you think you're
Speaker 1: gonna be ten minutes late, fifteen minutes late, then you know,
Speaker 1: try to give that person as much notice as possible.
Speaker 1: Interesting that seems fair. Yeah, I like that. I also
Speaker 1: really like it when the guy is there like ten
Speaker 1: minutes early, and says I always snagged a spot like
Speaker 1: in the corner. Like that even makes me were excited
Speaker 1: for it because I'm like, oh wow, he's into it. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I agree. I think my old boss once told me
Speaker 1: five minutes early is on time. And I think as
Speaker 1: a guy, if you're asking a girl on a day
Speaker 1: or any if you're asking another guy on a date,
Speaker 1: you should be there five minutes early, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: it shows that you care and it starts the date
Speaker 1: off on a positive note to exactly as the guy
Speaker 1: like hypothetically say, if I ask you out and you
Speaker 1: get there first and you're on time and I'm five
Speaker 1: minutes late, already starts the date off on a negative
Speaker 1: way where you feel like I'm not into it, I'm
Speaker 1: showing up late. Yeah, and then and then nothing can
Speaker 1: actually happen. I actually talked about this with a guy
Speaker 1: I was on a first date with because there was
Speaker 1: a girl sitting at the bar waiting for somebody, and
Speaker 1: I said, I will never be that girl. If I
Speaker 1: realize that you're not there or you let me know
Speaker 1: that you're running late, I am doing laps in my uber.
Speaker 1: I am not going to be sitting there way yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And also one thing, if say, your date is late,
Speaker 1: but they've let you know, listen, I'm stuck in traffic
Speaker 1: whatever it is they're coming, they've let you know, which
Speaker 1: is a light thing to do. Sometimes you can't help it.
Speaker 1: Then if your job, if you're the one waiting, say
Speaker 1: on the girl or guy that's on their way that's late.
Speaker 1: When they arrive, then just if you do really like them,
Speaker 1: don't make them feel bad about it. I think it's
Speaker 1: a good etiquette in that moment um. It's that etiquette
Speaker 1: to point out that it aqua I would waiting exactly.
Speaker 1: So exactly you say, can I order you a drink?
Speaker 1: So you have one? A fresh costs so waiting when
Speaker 1: you get here, and then when they arrived, they honestly
Speaker 1: no worries. Please relax, here's your martini. You look fantastic. Um,
Speaker 1: please just relax and joy, you know, so you take
Speaker 1: off the awkwardness of them. So, Michael, what time should
Speaker 1: you arrive for a party? Say, like somebody says I'm
Speaker 1: having a party, come over any time after eight? What
Speaker 1: time would you go? I would arrive eight? Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: And this is a time where even you think five
Speaker 1: minutes early, this is a time where five minutes early
Speaker 1: is the worst thing you can do. Because if you
Speaker 1: go to someone's home, if anybody has ever hosted a
Speaker 1: party before, you know, the last five minutes, you know,
Speaker 1: you're doing the last details, you're taking something out of
Speaker 1: the oven, you're whatever, curling your hair, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: That's the time that it's the worst. I was like
Speaker 1: ding dong, like really so the so I would say,
Speaker 1: just give that person who's posting a little extra times
Speaker 1: upper time and then show up and always I think,
Speaker 1: never show up empty handed. Always show up with something
Speaker 1: in hand. What about does a two leader bottle of
Speaker 1: Coca Cola count? Because George Constanza thought that was good etiquette.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I guess at the times on
Speaker 1: the crowd you're going to, if you're going to a crowd,
Speaker 1: that that's what they drink. And right, I mean, you'll
Speaker 1: be the most popular one there if you bring a
Speaker 1: two leader call you would be It's all relative. But no,
Speaker 1: I think I always ask what can I bring? Before?
Speaker 1: I still ask im, like, hey, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: we would love to come. What can I bring? And
Speaker 1: not do this like I'm confused. This is? This is?
Speaker 1: I mean I always bring something, and I feel like
Speaker 1: it's so rude, Like you always show up if you're
Speaker 1: going to someone's home, even if it isn't a party.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's nice to bring something or offer
Speaker 1: at least I think that anything. I could really be anything.
Speaker 1: It's just so it's just a show. Thinks really that
Speaker 1: you know for hosting, right, Yeah, but people are ignorant.
Speaker 1: A lot of people just don't know, you know, they
Speaker 1: show up and they think it's okay. I mean it
Speaker 1: is okay. I'm not saying it's like terribly wrong, but
Speaker 1: it's also somewhat rude. Um. But on the flip side,
Speaker 1: if you're hosting a party, I always say not to
Speaker 1: allow people to bring things unless it's like the right,
Speaker 1: like it's a super Bowl party. Never is bringing something.
Speaker 1: It's like a pot luck. If someone comes and I'm
Speaker 1: having a dinner party, your costol party, and someone text
Speaker 1: me how I what can I bring? I always just say,
Speaker 1: you know, just an appetite season, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for asking. I always say, like, just yourself, just bring
Speaker 1: yourself exactly, that's exactly right, because you don't want to
Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing worse. And I've been assigned many
Speaker 1: times when somebody's hosting something amazing. Okay, Mike a great, Yes,
Speaker 1: I would love because please bring this, you know, theif
Speaker 1: or that, and you're not expecting it, right, it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: um yeah, So that's that's my other thing. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're responsible for the seven. And before you go, Mike,
Speaker 1: I just have one more question. Whenever I think of etiquette,
Speaker 1: I think of dinner etiquette, and I always go back
Speaker 1: to that scene from Pretty Woman, which I'm sure everybody
Speaker 1: has seen by an hour. She flicks the meat ball
Speaker 1: and she doesn't know which fork is the salad fork. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so is dinner etiquette still a thing? Because like
Speaker 1: elbows on the table, sitting up upright? Um, you you
Speaker 1: just literally it is our most popular class. We We
Speaker 1: actually travel the entire We traveled the nation teaching huge
Speaker 1: classes of them, up to a thousand people at times,
Speaker 1: signing etiquette. It's our it's kind of our bread and
Speaker 1: butter people. Um, because once you learn from the most simple,
Speaker 1: simple techniques, you don't need to tick the class again.
Speaker 1: It's that's all you need to know. Actually, just post
Speaker 1: an into my Instagram post yesterday was video on the
Speaker 1: basics of digning etiquette, because I got so many questions
Speaker 1: about I'm always feeling somebody's bread plate or wine glass
Speaker 1: probably know what side is on, and so I give
Speaker 1: like a little pipper trick um because if there's so
Speaker 1: many questions and you can't enjoy your meal on a date,
Speaker 1: is you're so concerned about which bourkn night to pick up.
Speaker 1: It's all about having confidence, so you can go anywhere
Speaker 1: and just look down and know exactly what's in front
Speaker 1: of you. And that's kind of the key. I think,
Speaker 1: well that I love that. Yeah, it's good to know.
Speaker 1: I always I try to always not keep my elbows
Speaker 1: on the table, but it's very hard because that's kind
Speaker 1: of the way I sit. Yeah, I crossed my fingers
Speaker 1: and then it is very comfy. The soup thing gets
Speaker 1: me too. You have to from you go from me,
Speaker 1: You go toward the table, not toward yourself when you're
Speaker 1: I know, I love this stuff. I was raised a
Speaker 1: certain way to like know exactly what to do. And
Speaker 1: then also you always write a thank you note, even
Speaker 1: for the smallest gesture. I love etiquette. Etiquette never goes
Speaker 1: out of style. No, exactly right, and we're kind of
Speaker 1: making it hopefully it's you know, we keep formally but
Speaker 1: in a like a fun way so it's relatable and people,
Speaker 1: I'm a millennial people, you know, like if you make
Speaker 1: it too sterile and you know, it's polusly fun and
Speaker 1: it's really as about like I said, respect, So if
Speaker 1: you just kind of strip away all the formality about it,
Speaker 1: then then it's kind of like WHOA, I use this
Speaker 1: every day and hopefully other people, well we'll catch on
Speaker 1: to that, do you do? I think they will. Well,
Speaker 1: mikeael Meyer, thank you so much for joining us. We
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. And where can everybody find you now? Oh?
Speaker 1: Thank you? Um so on social media it's at m
Speaker 1: y K A M E I E R at mikel
Speaker 1: Meyer or my website which is Beaumont Etiquette dot com.
Speaker 1: And we keep course at the Plaza Hotel here in
Speaker 1: New York in nationally fine, yes, and you have your
Speaker 1: partnership with Venmo, which is very exciting. We're very excited
Speaker 1: for you and Michael. Once again, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us on the podcast. Thank you, I'll have
Speaker 1: a great day. Thanks very informative. I just started following her.
Speaker 1: That's good. I mean, that's what we want everybody listening
Speaker 1: go follow Mike as well. I'm sure she's a great
Speaker 1: a swell gal. She just seems very swell. It's the
Speaker 1: best way. Etiquette is something that, like you said, we'll
Speaker 1: never go out of style because it's always the small
Speaker 1: details that I remember. For example, when you said thank you. Know,
Speaker 1: if I received a thank you note from somebody that
Speaker 1: I invited to get together, that would mean so much
Speaker 1: to me, And it probably took you ten seconds, right,
Speaker 1: And it's more of I mean, I hate to say
Speaker 1: this because it sounds like I'm being pretty selfish, but
Speaker 1: it's like a reflection of who you are, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's your reputation. Like remember I sent you guys
Speaker 1: a nice little bottle of something when like I was
Speaker 1: supposed to come in studio to a nice little chit chat,
Speaker 1: pinched a nerve thanks to hot yoga. You know, couldn't
Speaker 1: if I had a nickel. I know it, man, I
Speaker 1: know it, but had to do a call in how
Speaker 1: to do a phoner and like I felt bad, so
Speaker 1: we send we send champs. Yeah, and that was very
Speaker 1: nice of you. But that's a nice thing to do,
Speaker 1: and it's so easy, especially with like all the apps
Speaker 1: like Grizzly and all that stuff. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: it's all the excuse to be a horrible human being.
Speaker 1: It's almost too easy now, and it just makes us lazy.
Speaker 1: And so now we've gone so far into the laziness
Speaker 1: that we don't even do it anymore because it's just
Speaker 1: too easy. Does that make sense? It does make sense.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it makes sense in my head, I
Speaker 1: feel saying it. I realized it doesn't make as much sense.
Speaker 1: I understand. I'm picking up what you're putting down, and
Speaker 1: I understand it also because that's how it is for
Speaker 1: like the dating apps, Like I feel like with like
Speaker 1: Bumble Tender Array or whatever, like it's so easy for
Speaker 1: you to like match with somebody and it's like you
Speaker 1: get that little validation and then like the conversation doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: or you become pen pals for three weeks straight. Well,
Speaker 1: it's all about instant gratification and with so with with
Speaker 1: dating apps, you get that immediately as soon as you
Speaker 1: match with somebody, So why do you need the validation
Speaker 1: of meeting up with them when you've already got the
Speaker 1: validation that they like you, right, and it's our pure
Speaker 1: laziness that just a yes, I know. I mean I
Speaker 1: have done I've been like, oh, here's cude, let's say
Speaker 1: where your match and then I'm like oh bye, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I I used to do it too. When I was
Speaker 1: on dating. I got called out one time by a girl. Oh.
Speaker 1: I went on a couple of dates with the girl
Speaker 1: and they were they were good, uh and she was
Speaker 1: very lovely just not my person, not act not actually
Speaker 1: I and um, I think I was also going through
Speaker 1: like personal things at the time as well. But I
Speaker 1: remember she wanted to meet up again, and I kind
Speaker 1: of kept putting it off because I knew it wasn't
Speaker 1: really going anywhere. And then she texted me like randomly
Speaker 1: months afterwards, saying how I never gave her a chance
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna end up alone if I don't. Like
Speaker 1: she must have been drinking. Yeah, it was probably one
Speaker 1: of those nights where she was like, screw this guy,
Speaker 1: one o'clock in the morning, sending sending this text. Um.
Speaker 1: It was quite endearing though, because she was she was
Speaker 1: right in a lot of ways. It was like, no,
Speaker 1: you're you're right, like, until I opened up myself more
Speaker 1: and give people more of a shot than I'm going
Speaker 1: to die alone. I fully understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: I was just talking to my friend about how I
Speaker 1: really teet her right now in my life on like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm independent choosing to be single right now until I
Speaker 1: find my exact person to like, I am going to
Speaker 1: die alone, Like thank god I have my dogs, you know,
Speaker 1: like you're convinced you're gonna die, like you have those moments.
Speaker 1: We're just like, you're so up and down. But I
Speaker 1: love that she called you out. That's great. Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: It was weird because I didn't know her that well,
Speaker 1: but I was. I was kind of while sad that
Speaker 1: being like, you know, telling her telling me that I'm
Speaker 1: like a shell of a man. But at the same
Speaker 1: time it was almost uplifting. I was proud of her
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, I know you're right. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I need to step up to the play. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing as best a job as I can do within
Speaker 1: this dating world. Did you reply. I think I did
Speaker 1: something along the lines of, you know, saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know you're you're right in some sense,
Speaker 1: in other senses. I don't think you're right and probably
Speaker 1: not going to die alone. Yeah, it was kind of
Speaker 1: like an adult conversation. It was nice. Yeah, it was good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully I won't die alone. We'll find out. I guess
Speaker 1: soon enough. Um, i'd say, you're not going to dialone.
Speaker 1: I promise. I think I'll be okay. I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna be just fine. You're a beautiful young lady. I've
Speaker 1: got a lot going for you. You're gonna be just fine. Um.
Speaker 1: We also got some very compelling emails coming up from
Speaker 1: our listeners, which, as you guys know, is my favorite
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Speaker 1: We have some emails. Yeah, two juicy ones here. This
Speaker 1: is from an anonymous emailer, and those are always the juiciest. Definitely.
Speaker 1: I started dating a guy who said I love you
Speaker 1: just after a few months, but then he ended things
Speaker 1: because he wasn't sure if he was ready for a
Speaker 1: serious relationship. A few months later, he started to pursue
Speaker 1: me again. Soon I love you as being said again,
Speaker 1: and then he took it back during a fight and said,
Speaker 1: I don't think this is love. The next thing, he
Speaker 1: apologized for being so harsh and just wanted to forget
Speaker 1: the night and act like it never happened. It's now
Speaker 1: been three years and he has never said I love
Speaker 1: you again or anything close to it. I literally don't
Speaker 1: know where his emotions are or if we're moving forward.
Speaker 1: I have brought this conversation up three times within the
Speaker 1: past few month, and he will either react by not
Speaker 1: speaking or he will say I can't put it into
Speaker 1: words right now, but when I can, I'll bring it up.
Speaker 1: He knows how I feel, and this is making me
Speaker 1: so insecure. Is this a deal breaker? Do actions speak
Speaker 1: louder than words, even if you're asking for words. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy sounds like a child. He won't speak to her.
Speaker 1: It sounds like he needs some therapy, and he uses
Speaker 1: love and his emotions as collateral in the relationship to
Speaker 1: hold it sounds like almost like all power. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he uses it as leverage over her head, like well,
Speaker 1: you know I'm not gonna say it now, so you
Speaker 1: just gotta keep waiting. Yeah, that's not even going to
Speaker 1: be a good dad, Like that's you have to think
Speaker 1: about your future. This girl needs to get it's definitely
Speaker 1: not a good husband if he's using love as any
Speaker 1: type of leverage or just you even saying the word.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting though, because he obviously jumped in pretty
Speaker 1: quickly by saying I love you just after a few months,
Speaker 1: but then the relationship ended because he wasn't ready for
Speaker 1: anything serious. He obviously missed her, wanted her back, said
Speaker 1: I love you, but then got into a fight. I'm
Speaker 1: curious what the fight was about and why it got
Speaker 1: so nasty where he said I don't think this is love,
Speaker 1: and then they date for three more years and he
Speaker 1: doesn't say it again. But there's got to be something
Speaker 1: about this guy that she is really into to spend
Speaker 1: three years with him. Well, things, if it's working in
Speaker 1: certain areas, people stick around, whether it's money or sex,
Speaker 1: and you never know, people stay in things because it's
Speaker 1: working for them on some level. Yeah, it's comfortable, right,
Speaker 1: And I think she's trying to be like with the
Speaker 1: love languages, she's trying to be like, Oh, he does
Speaker 1: act like he loves me, but he won't say it.
Speaker 1: But she sounds like she needs words of affirmation. Clearly,
Speaker 1: How could you not after three years of not hearing
Speaker 1: it out? Um, I think, yeah, I mean, if you
Speaker 1: keep and she's doing everything she can. She keeps going
Speaker 1: up to him and asking him to talk about things,
Speaker 1: and either he doesn't speak, which is absurd and childish,
Speaker 1: or he says I can't put into words right now,
Speaker 1: but when I can, I'll bring it up it's a
Speaker 1: form of abuse. Honestly, that is like the silent treatment,
Speaker 1: all of that. Things like that. Can that can just
Speaker 1: mess with you because he's gaslighting her. Fully, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: does gaslighting? Gas flighting is when you're like mentally manipulating
Speaker 1: somebody into thinking that something is happening when it really isn't.
Speaker 1: Or I think it was based off of a play. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's like an illusion where like like a guy
Speaker 1: was like turning the lights on and off and the
Speaker 1: woman was like, what's going on with the lights and
Speaker 1: he was like, nothing, nothing's going on when clearly things
Speaker 1: were happening. It's convincing you're part of their crazy for
Speaker 1: believing the truth. Rightly, it's in order to have the
Speaker 1: control and the power of the relationship. I mean he's
Speaker 1: obviously doing that right now by saying that when I'm
Speaker 1: able to talk about it, I'll bring it up as
Speaker 1: if she has some advocate that part a little bit?
Speaker 1: Is it him? Like you know when a guy wants
Speaker 1: to propose and he wants it to be a big
Speaker 1: surprise and she keeps bringing up the proposals like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: stop stopped out. I wanted to be a surprise because
Speaker 1: every time she brings it up, he's gotta wait like
Speaker 1: another three weeks, so it's not on top of mind anymore.
Speaker 1: Is that what he's doing? Maybe, like she keeps bringing up, like,
Speaker 1: stop bringing up I'm gonna say I love you. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make a big production out of it. Ye. We
Speaker 1: don't know how. We don't know how annoying this girl is.
Speaker 1: She could be super annoying for annoying, Like she could
Speaker 1: just be like at dinner, like why would't you say
Speaker 1: you love me? And this guy's like, please just let
Speaker 1: me breathe for three seconds without you bringing this topic
Speaker 1: off right, like I'm using the bathroom, okay, like you
Speaker 1: We don't really know what's going on. The only reason
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that it's because the last time
Speaker 1: any of this was brought up was in an argument
Speaker 1: three years ago when he says I don't think this
Speaker 1: is love and he apologized but has yet to say
Speaker 1: it since in three years. And if he's saving it
Speaker 1: for the engagement, I got news for you, bro, Just
Speaker 1: say it as soon as you possibly can, because it's
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be a romantic gesture anymore
Speaker 1: for him to say it at the engagement. It's not great.
Speaker 1: She needs to figure out is she happy without those words.
Speaker 1: It's just really really get them why they do it? Anonymous.
Speaker 1: I feel like people feel ashamed, which they shouldn't. Everybody's
Speaker 1: going through issues in their own Yeah, you know, everybody's
Speaker 1: got their own thing. But I feel like she can
Speaker 1: do better and she needs more and she deserves someone
Speaker 1: who will say that he loves her. I think she
Speaker 1: just needs more transparency, and if he's unwilling to give that,
Speaker 1: then she needs to think about moving on because this
Speaker 1: is not the way you should live here. And he's
Speaker 1: so like Willy Nilly with the I love you was
Speaker 1: in the beginning and then taking them away and all that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like a sweater. Yeah, the only
Speaker 1: I like the sweater award a lot, and then it
Speaker 1: just went out of fashion, so I'll stopped wearing it.
Speaker 1: I want it back. It's it's getting cold outside. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think, uh, I forget what I lost my
Speaker 1: train of thought after the sweater thing. It's great. I
Speaker 1: love the sweater comparison. Don't you ever apologize for that.
Speaker 1: Kimberly has an issue that I think as relatable. To
Speaker 1: a lot of people. She says, I met a guy
Speaker 1: named Adam. He's thirty nine right after I joined Hinge,
Speaker 1: so I was a little unsure of myself and my
Speaker 1: feeling since it happened right after my breakup. Us. Four
Speaker 1: or three months, we've become best friends. We text and
Speaker 1: or talk for hours every day. We're actually now in
Speaker 1: the friends with benefits category too. We both say that
Speaker 1: we have feelings for each other, but he's struggling to
Speaker 1: get me out of the friend zone. He says that
Speaker 1: I check nine out of the ten boxes on his list,
Speaker 1: but the thing that's missing is the spark. He says,
Speaker 1: he feels like he's kissing his best friend Jared. Okay,
Speaker 1: well she personalized with this. Shi Jared, how did you
Speaker 1: get Ashley out of the friend zone? Well, actually did
Speaker 1: that herself. I don't want to take because Kimberly wants
Speaker 1: to do that. I think I've certainly never said to
Speaker 1: Actuley she checks off nine of my ten boxes. That's
Speaker 1: so bad. Any guy listening to this, do not ever
Speaker 1: say that to anybody so rude? Um, Well, I think
Speaker 1: I mean listen. I'm not proud to say this, but
Speaker 1: with my situation with Actually I got a glimpse of
Speaker 1: my life without her and realized that I was being
Speaker 1: an idiot and that I was afraid of commitment and
Speaker 1: afraid of of diving into a relationship and had to
Speaker 1: kind of deal with my own insecurities as a person,
Speaker 1: as a man to really try to just push those
Speaker 1: to the side and go after the things I want,
Speaker 1: which was actually at the time. UM. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that's a good thing, because it shouldn't come down to
Speaker 1: that point for a lot of things. Um, but I
Speaker 1: think maybe this is a scenario where Kimberly, you could
Speaker 1: show this guy what his life would look like without you,
Speaker 1: because if you're checking off nine in the ten boxes,
Speaker 1: that's actually really good when you think about it. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but any within any relationship, your significant other, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be ten out of ten. Everything is perfect. We
Speaker 1: agree on everything, we like to do everything, uh you know,
Speaker 1: the same at the same time, and we we never argue.
Speaker 1: That's just not realistic and that's not how relationships work.
Speaker 1: And I think that's I needs to realize that this,
Speaker 1: and I'm surprised he hasn't because not say age is
Speaker 1: a huge factor, but being thirty nine years old, you would,
Speaker 1: you know, you go through so many different life experiences,
Speaker 1: Peter Pan. Maybe maybe yeah, maybe this is is not growing up.
Speaker 1: That could be an issue too, if he's afraid of commitment.
Speaker 1: You know, he's been single for a while. He's thirty
Speaker 1: nine already. Um, that's certainly not old. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think at thirty nine you go through enough life
Speaker 1: experience to kind of have an idea of what you
Speaker 1: want exactly versus what you don't want, and the idea
Speaker 1: that you check off nine in the ten boxes. For me,
Speaker 1: seems like, hey, this is something I should want, I
Speaker 1: should go after, and she should just focus on herself
Speaker 1: because the more you focus on you, the more others
Speaker 1: will too. And I believe that when you're dating, it's
Speaker 1: like you're dancing and you're you're in your own little
Speaker 1: world and your dance. And if you're loving your life
Speaker 1: and you're dancing in your own life, you need someone
Speaker 1: to pull you out of that to really make you, you
Speaker 1: you know, take notice and like really want to be
Speaker 1: with something. She just needs to focus on her own life.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: there's nothing more attractive than someone who loves their own
Speaker 1: life and they're not like focused on why this person
Speaker 1: doesn't want me all the way and stop sleeping with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a big one. Come on now, honey, giving up
Speaker 1: the goods? Yeah, you're given up the goods. And the
Speaker 1: thing is, why would he ever commit in a relationship
Speaker 1: where he has everything he wants right now? He has
Speaker 1: he has the best best friend exactly. You're his best friend.
Speaker 1: You're talking to him every day, texting, calling, so it's
Speaker 1: pretty much a relationship there. You're sleeping with him, so
Speaker 1: he has the physical part of it. Why would he
Speaker 1: ever jump into a relationship when he has everything here
Speaker 1: he wants. It's interesting, he says, I can't. It's just
Speaker 1: it's like kissing my best friend. But you clear don't
Speaker 1: have any trouble having seen. Isn't that what we all
Speaker 1: want to find? I want something I want to be. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's just he probably just doesn't want to take her
Speaker 1: to the airport. I mean my friends, he doesn't. He
Speaker 1: doesn't want to do all those things, you know, the
Speaker 1: relationships stuff, Sadie. So if you had to describe your
Speaker 1: dating life with one dance, what is your dance? The salsa?
Speaker 1: The Sausa. I like it. Insert emoji girl with blonde hair.
Speaker 1: Nice and you're wearing a red dress. Doesn't she wear
Speaker 1: the red dress in the emojio? You are that emoji girl?
Speaker 1: Right now? Before we go, I just wanted to tap
Speaker 1: touch on God. That last email got my mind in
Speaker 1: the gutter. Apparently I wanted to touch on the bachelorrette Sadie.
Speaker 1: You were on the show, so was I. Last night
Speaker 1: was hometowns. I know you have some particular opinions about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you wanted to voice them. Hannah
Speaker 1: certainly did last night on Twitter. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you guys saw that and see that. I'd like to know.
Speaker 1: So what happened? So she was live tweeting along with
Speaker 1: the show, and are you maybe live having some veno?
Speaker 1: I think she was having a couple of classes of
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know she's enjoying herself. Some of
Speaker 1: her grammar was a little off. Um, but have you
Speaker 1: kept up with the jet drama as well? Do you
Speaker 1: know about that? You know about the windmill with his
Speaker 1: off show stuff. I haven't heard anything. This is huge news.
Speaker 1: Talk to me. So Jed is obviously in the final four.
Speaker 1: About three weeks ago, People magazine broke the story that
Speaker 1: Jed went on The Bachelor rete with a girlfriend that
Speaker 1: he broke up with by text or the other did
Speaker 1: not break up with her. He went on the show
Speaker 1: told this girl that he was going to fake the
Speaker 1: entire thing he wanted to go on for his music career,
Speaker 1: and that when he got off the show they would
Speaker 1: they would still be together. Literally, I'm not surprised though
Speaker 1: all he's plugging his music like nobody's wasable. Hey Hannah,
Speaker 1: let's get to the studio and write a song together
Speaker 1: and I'll be the only one singing. It's like he's
Speaker 1: doing a parody of himself, because last night during Hometowns,
Speaker 1: you think, I'll watch Jed's gonna have some sort of
Speaker 1: musical hometown And of course what did they do except
Speaker 1: go into a studio write a song together about how
Speaker 1: they're in the stars. And it's like, you can't even
Speaker 1: write this stuff. You can't write it. It was so lame.
Speaker 1: And she's like, maybe it's I have stars in my
Speaker 1: dress with the sign she was falling forward obviously, but
Speaker 1: you know, a guy with the guitar, you know, I
Speaker 1: can I can see it. I totally see it um.
Speaker 1: And so that's the big drama right now. I Mean,
Speaker 1: there's obvious in the show, but that's a big one
Speaker 1: because he's obviously in the final four. He's going to
Speaker 1: Fantasy Fantasy sweets, and she already gave it up. Apparently
Speaker 1: from all the promos she does say that she had
Speaker 1: sex with somebody in the windmill, and it does from
Speaker 1: everything I've seen online, it seems like it was Jed. Well,
Speaker 1: he's smart, because we're talking about him right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not that smart though, because as soon as the
Speaker 1: show ends, people are going to hate. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: yeah that can we talk about how beautiful Luke's mom was,
Speaker 1: Like she was hot? Oh yeah, well she had the
Speaker 1: white hair, but she looks twenty silver blonde, but like beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I like about Luke is his mom.
Speaker 1: I think Luke is just so in over his head
Speaker 1: right now. He has no idea what the hell is
Speaker 1: happening around I just he's that's a lot for me.
Speaker 1: And also can wait this is this has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with like their relationships or anything. This is more
Speaker 1: of like a social etiquette moment. When Tyler was saying
Speaker 1: goodbye to Hannah and her suv. Her suv is waiting
Speaker 1: outside the drivers in the driver's seat parked car, and
Speaker 1: they just start going at it, straddling him while the
Speaker 1: driver is just sitting there, like I hope I get
Speaker 1: five stars, Like I don't know, It's just like what
Speaker 1: was that? I mean, Well, when you don't see someone
Speaker 1: or you know you're not going to see someone for
Speaker 1: a while, I think emotions run high and you just
Speaker 1: get in the moment. And is that why she wraps
Speaker 1: her legs around them every time she can you imagine
Speaker 1: me doing that on like a second day, like in
Speaker 1: Santa Monica, like outside of a restaurant, like just jumping
Speaker 1: up full straddle. Well, doesn't every girl do it on
Speaker 1: the show? Though? I feel like I've seen a thousand times,
Speaker 1: especially when like it's a group day and like the
Speaker 1: girls are running towards the guy and then they jump
Speaker 1: up and hug him. And I'm fine with the jump
Speaker 1: up and hug. It's the straddling, It's it's really it's
Speaker 1: very distracting intimate. I just can't unsee it. And that
Speaker 1: uber driver was there for every seven way. But the
Speaker 1: reason I bring up tweets his Handah was going along
Speaker 1: with the ride, so to speak. She was tweeting when
Speaker 1: she went on the date with Pete the pilot, and
Speaker 1: she said, yeah he's a cutie. Um, I don't think
Speaker 1: she's going to pick him really really yeah, Oh, I
Speaker 1: think she's going either Tyler or Jed right now. What
Speaker 1: about Jed's girlfriend, Well, she's gonna be highly disappointed when
Speaker 1: they come back together. Or who knows, maybe he'll get everything.
Speaker 1: I don't know what already came out. So it's too late.
Speaker 1: Now he can't go back, right, he has to commit
Speaker 1: his actual story. I know, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: hell he's gonna do. But she was like. She also
Speaker 1: said that Hannah, Hannah was talking about God, I can't
Speaker 1: even talking to more. She's talking about Peter. And she
Speaker 1: said that he was the smoothest landing I've ever experienced.
Speaker 1: He knows his way around the cockpit. Wow, she was
Speaker 1: just going in last night. She was yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: she was. And then so she was feeling, she was
Speaker 1: feeling herself. So she also said when the Jed date
Speaker 1: was happening, Jed made a toast at one point. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember whether it he was like
Speaker 1: to family, the people I love, and to somebody I'm
Speaker 1: starting new love with or something like that. She tweeted,
Speaker 1: good toast, good message, cheers a little shady, little shade, obviously,
Speaker 1: and then she tweeted immediately afterwards saying, I wish I
Speaker 1: could tweet the things coming out of my family's mouth
Speaker 1: right now. Lulls z really like that's a big yeah.
Speaker 1: That's not laugh out loud. That's like laugh out loud plural.
Speaker 1: Everybody's laughing out loud. Wow. I wonder what they were
Speaker 1: laughing about. I don't know, but it was. I think
Speaker 1: it was during Jed's date when she tweeted that. So
Speaker 1: obviously there's some shade being thrown the Jed way. So
Speaker 1: I'm very curious how this whole thing plays out, because
Speaker 1: now she's bringing four guys to the Fantasy Sweet she
Speaker 1: just can't get enough. She can't get enough. Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: let's just love it, love it. And to be fair
Speaker 1: to her, we have no idea what happens within the
Speaker 1: Fantasy suite. She could want just more personal off camera
Speaker 1: time with all these guys just playing Devil's advocate. If
Speaker 1: we know by the Windmill story, that is a very
Speaker 1: fair point. Um, so it should be. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to touch on that, and uh, it should be an
Speaker 1: interesting finish. I really hope it's pet. I hope it's Y.
Speaker 1: When he was like doing his toast, I felt was
Speaker 1: very very genuine, very authentic. Gosh, and his mom really
Speaker 1: really likes Hannah to It seems like a very just wholesome,
Speaker 1: happy family. You want to, you know, be a part
Speaker 1: of totally around. And I should better learn that German prayer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I better get up that quick. Um. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I'm hoping, obviously, I'm just hoping that it's not Jed
Speaker 1: or Loup right now. I know. I honestly, I'm starting
Speaker 1: to feel bad for Luke a little bit. Why because
Speaker 1: I think he's just has no idea what's going on.
Speaker 1: I think he's just trying to be somebody else and
Speaker 1: he's I'm not saying, I'm not advocating his ways, but
Speaker 1: he just I don't know why she's keeping around. There's
Speaker 1: no idea what he's doing. Hannah knows it. I mean,
Speaker 1: she knows by now that this guy just needs to
Speaker 1: just go home and reevaluate some things. Yea, and yeah,
Speaker 1: he is still here crazy Town. The best part was
Speaker 1: when his parents were like his whole family was basically
Speaker 1: like kind of convincing Hannah of what a great guy
Speaker 1: he is, and like she's just like, I know, she
Speaker 1: wasn't even saying anything. She's like, she's just doing her
Speaker 1: signature smile to be with a smile, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, Okay, I'm not gonna say anything not
Speaker 1: nice right now. Yeah, but I'm gonna smile. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna smile and nod. Um. What about Tyler's tight pants?
Speaker 1: Do we get to talk about that tighter than Hannah
Speaker 1: as I felt like they were. I don't know, it
Speaker 1: was just something I noticed. Yeah, I mean the dude
Speaker 1: works out. He wants to show it all. I mean,
Speaker 1: go for it. Women are going crazier for Tyler. See
Speaker 1: right now, I know he's He's the cats me out,
Speaker 1: as they say in today's world, because we all know
Speaker 1: the kids are saying that, aren't they. Yes, Um, well
Speaker 1: that should do it right there. For our episode of
Speaker 1: help by Second Dating this week, Sadie Murray, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. You were I had a
Speaker 1: blast two. This is a really great episode and you
Speaker 1: will have to come back when the whole cruise here,
Speaker 1: Vanessa dean um and make sure it's not a phoner.
Speaker 1: So when if when, when you come back on the podcast,
Speaker 1: no hot yoga that week, No hot yoga, and I
Speaker 1: will I will physically bring the champagne this time. That's etiquette,
Speaker 1: that's nice etiquete. I gotta bring something. I know Vanessa
Speaker 1: phones in, so we're going to make sure that she
Speaker 1: plans ahead and has the last champagne. UM. And a
Speaker 1: big thank you to Mike al Meyer who is the
Speaker 1: founder and director of what was that again? Beaumont Etiquette,
Speaker 1: where she teaches etiquette all around the world. You can
Speaker 1: go check out uh that website beaumont etiquette dot com
Speaker 1: to find out more about Mica. I keep saying Murray
Speaker 1: because your last name is Mary Micayer. Lots of ms.
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