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<v Speaker 1>Hell I Suck Good Dating with Dean, Vanessa and Jared

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<v Speaker 1>and I heart radio podcast. Hey, everybody, welcome to an

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<v Speaker 1>all new episode of Help I Suck At Dating. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Jared have Ben, and I'm not joined in

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<v Speaker 1>studio by Dean Angler. I think he's in Greece, still

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<v Speaker 1>traveling the world. I am not joined by Skype with

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa Grimaldi because I'm pretty sure she's in Italy right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious why my heart didn't fly me out to

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<v Speaker 1>Europe so we could do a live podcast euro trip style.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little disappointed, but that's okay. I'm in studio

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<v Speaker 1>with a wonderful guest, But that's okay. That's okay. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not disappointed anymore because I'm looking to my right and

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<v Speaker 1>I have a wonderful, amazing guest host today with me.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Sadie Murray. Ladies and gentlemen, so happy to

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<v Speaker 1>be here. No, we're very happy to have you here. Sadie.

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<v Speaker 1>You have been on the podcast before, but you were

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<v Speaker 1>not in studio. No, I was calling from home because

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<v Speaker 1>I had a pin nerve And how did you get

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<v Speaker 1>that pinchon nerve? You know, I'm really committed to my

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<v Speaker 1>downward dog, and I was in a hot yoga and

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<v Speaker 1>I let I let my ego take over. They say,

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that in yoga, but the girl next to

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<v Speaker 1>me was really flexible and I was like me too,

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<v Speaker 1>And you thought you could get even more down with

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<v Speaker 1>the downward dog. The next thing you know, I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>laying flat on the ground and can't move and needed

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<v Speaker 1>some heavy medication to feel better. So called in Right

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<v Speaker 1>after I took that medication. Talk to you guys. You

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<v Speaker 1>sounded very so. I don't know we could go back

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<v Speaker 1>and listen. Well, maybe I'll go back and listen now,

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<v Speaker 1>just to see. I don't think blurs. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you were fine, liking and never hurt anybody

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<v Speaker 1>before doing an on air podcast. You were just fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You said nothing but horrible things about everybody. Um but Sadie.

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<v Speaker 1>So you are. You were formerly on the Bachelor, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were on the season with Prince what was

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<v Speaker 1>his name, Lorenzo Borghazy. Lauren Zo Borghazy. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a pasta dish, right it does? Do you want the

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<v Speaker 1>noodles better? Pasta is better? So if you're if you

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<v Speaker 1>had a bowl of Lorenzo Borghaze or a bowl of

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<v Speaker 1>pasta Alfredo in front of you. You're going with the Alfredo,

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<v Speaker 1>going with my man fred on that. I don't blame

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<v Speaker 1>me there so, but you were runner up. I was,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I was so confident walking into that

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<v Speaker 1>Roads Final Road ceremony. I wore a white dress, Jared like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you ready to go, Like, let's do

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<v Speaker 1>the wedding. Now, you get on one knee and as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as you get up, Chris Harrison will walk in.

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<v Speaker 1>He officiants. Both you will walk out a married couple

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<v Speaker 1>and live happily ever after as Prince and Princess. Lorenzo

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<v Speaker 1>Bagardian same differences, okay. Um. Also, you were not towardsly

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<v Speaker 1>known because you were one of the first people to

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<v Speaker 1>ever admit that they were a virgin on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>That was major back then. By oh yeah. And also

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize that it would become such a thing because

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's obviously so much You're so much more

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<v Speaker 1>than just a virgin. And when you go on that

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<v Speaker 1>show and you know, I just then it became a

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<v Speaker 1>drinking game for people watching after. So that was good.

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<v Speaker 1>What drinking game? Like every time every time I said

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saving myself a marriage. Like people be like, yeah, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>take a shot. Um, where do you mind if we

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<v Speaker 1>ask about it? I'm kind of curious. I mean, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not still a virgin, and no, I'm not saying And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a new season of the Bachelorette where Sadie finally

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<v Speaker 1>becomes sexually act as. Sadie goes directly into the fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>suites sort of like Hannah like that, Yeah, jumping right in,

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<v Speaker 1>jumping into those windmills. You go from the windmill to

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<v Speaker 1>four dudes in the face your golden yep. Well, I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you say on TV that you're saving self from marriage?

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<v Speaker 1>I did, but I think I was. I was. I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up really um Christian and spiritual, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>like in my world that that wasn't abnormal to say,

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<v Speaker 1>so I just brought my real self to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Little did I know that that would get picked up

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<v Speaker 1>on so much and it would become such a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Um And of course, like everybody has to make the

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<v Speaker 1>decision that they want for themselves. I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>but it definitely it affected me after the show, I

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<v Speaker 1>was weird. It was both ways to like, oh, good

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<v Speaker 1>for her, Like I had like people from churches, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I had people like a pastor stop me and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're such a great example for all the young women

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<v Speaker 1>of America. And I was like, what this pressure? And

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<v Speaker 1>then I had people being like she's a liar, She's

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<v Speaker 1>probably a slut. And it was like, but I'm not,

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<v Speaker 1>like what if I want to be like, let me live.

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<v Speaker 1>But I did it to myself. And I always say,

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<v Speaker 1>no one forces you to say anything on these shows,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're responsible for the words coming out of your mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I almost wish, I mean, looking back,

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<v Speaker 1>I almost wish that hadn't been part of it. But

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<v Speaker 1>it is what it is. We can't do anything now

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully you know, but like you said, it was you,

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<v Speaker 1>it was me. It was me at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not then Maybe I don't know. Maybe I'll go

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<v Speaker 1>back and then and say I'm glad I did I

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<v Speaker 1>just I guess I wish the edit was different because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't feel like a lot of my personality came

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<v Speaker 1>through like it was just like I'm the virgin. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like everything makes sense. Yeah, especially with the Bachelor Bachelorette,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's so much camera time that needs to go

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<v Speaker 1>around that you truly are a character. You know, they

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<v Speaker 1>can only show one facet of your personality because like

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<v Speaker 1>every villain who comes off this show says they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>show anything, and it's like, well, you're just you're a character.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point. You know, they're only going to show

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<v Speaker 1>the bad parts of you if you're going to be villainized,

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<v Speaker 1>where if you're gonna be perceived at this prince charming,

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<v Speaker 1>then they're only going to show the good parts because

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<v Speaker 1>that's your character. And so everybody's more than lose it

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<v Speaker 1>off camera exactly, just like if you're villainized, they're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to show this wonderful, amazing moment that you have

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<v Speaker 1>on the show grating everyone's hair exactly. That's why Paradise, everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>i think, gets a little bit more air time of

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<v Speaker 1>who they actually are as a person because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>the cast. There is no lead that you have to

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<v Speaker 1>keep going back to with storylines with different other people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like everybody on this beach together and they

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<v Speaker 1>get to show your funny parts and your dramatic parts,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're happy parts and you're you know, sad, it's

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<v Speaker 1>less crafted, you know, and you're not you're probably just

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<v Speaker 1>like relieved to not be on The Bachelor out or

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<v Speaker 1>The Bachelor anymore. And you're like, oh, this is vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>you know I can just relax. Yeah, I wouldn't say

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<v Speaker 1>it's vacation a little bit more stressful. In any vacation

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on, I prefer it turned out no fantastically outside.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never changed the world, change of thing. Um. But so, Sadie,

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<v Speaker 1>so ever since The Bachelor, you've been doing so much

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<v Speaker 1>on air stuff and hosting and and keep us what

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<v Speaker 1>are you doing now? It's been so fun. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>on um, you know CBS l A all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love doing my monthly segment. They're giving tips

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<v Speaker 1>and tricks on style and beauty and traveling essentials. And

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<v Speaker 1>then of course, my my favorite show is Extra. I

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<v Speaker 1>love love Extra, Extra, Extra Big Mario Lopez girl. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>come on. Everybody at the show is amazing, though, every

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<v Speaker 1>single person. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, they're great. Extra is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I've met uh Mario a couple of times. He's awesome. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and like you said, the entire staff, there's a soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's really amazing. It feels like home. It feels good. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely does feel like home. And it's pretty cool that

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<v Speaker 1>they film rate at the Universal location, so you go

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<v Speaker 1>there and that marks right behind you. It's very it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very epic on stage, which is pretty cool. Definitely. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but Sadie you're here. Did you listen to our last podcast?

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<v Speaker 1>I did. It's been a little while. We need to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Tori. The date non date, the date non date,

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<v Speaker 1>the Tori went on maybe didn't go on because it

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<v Speaker 1>could have Maybe it was a day, maybe it wasn't day.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we just need a little bit of closure.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Tory and you know what, it's fantastic about

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<v Speaker 1>this moment right now, Sadie, we have Tori in studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Tori as ever with her long locks. You're like Rapunzel.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Tory. Ashley and I always say how you

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<v Speaker 1>were just like one of the most beautiful people we've

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<v Speaker 1>ever met, like we have were we both crush on you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty funny. You do a sort of mutual though.

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<v Speaker 1>What a good vibe vibe about you. Can we record

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<v Speaker 1>this and send this to the guy that I may

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<v Speaker 1>or may not have gone on a date with. Screw

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<v Speaker 1>this up again? Did he screw it up? Again, should

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<v Speaker 1>we recap a little, Yeah, Tory, give a quick recap

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<v Speaker 1>of what happened in case anybody, which we all know

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<v Speaker 1>everybody listened to the last podcast, but just a quick

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<v Speaker 1>recap of what happened. So I went in asking if

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<v Speaker 1>splitting a tab was me or me offering to pay

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<v Speaker 1>with stiff arming him, and I turned into a whole

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<v Speaker 1>Dean doesn't think this was even a date because he

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<v Speaker 1>showed up wearing athletic wear nikes and then we end

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<v Speaker 1>up splitting the tab. He was like, this is just

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<v Speaker 1>a friend hangout. Jared Vanessa both think that it is

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<v Speaker 1>a date and that he just split the tab and

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't thinking and didn't have the most swap moves.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you did so many loops around habit Henny.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sweating to extend the date. Yeah, so we

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to with non date, kind of close it.

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<v Speaker 1>After the dinner ecs, I was like, or the lunch

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I don't really know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was like, you might hop on the freeway traffic,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he was like, no, let's keep going, Let's

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<v Speaker 1>keep going. I was throwing out things and like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to press you whatever, and then he texted

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<v Speaker 1>you after. Then he texted me after saying he had

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<v Speaker 1>a great time. He's going to Idaho. He'll text when

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<v Speaker 1>he get back after like that night. Okay, this was

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<v Speaker 1>totally a date. I don't understand how anybody not a date.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a date. It's not a date. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a date. It's not a date because one I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with the outfit, like such little effort after three years,

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<v Speaker 1>even being an athlete, I don't care, just because do

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<v Speaker 1>you know how many good looking, well all dressed athletes are.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's like saying like I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not an excuse. And also like basketball shorts.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on. As a guy, I can confidently say that

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<v Speaker 1>we as men are dumb and we do dumb stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and we might go on a date under dressing. Because

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing. As a guy, our ego gets the

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<v Speaker 1>best of us, and sometimes we will put effort into

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<v Speaker 1>showcasing that we're not putting effort into something. Those our guys, Tori.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm not saying this guy did it, But I

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<v Speaker 1>am kind of saying I think this guy didn't, like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he was under compensation. Yeah, to like show confidence whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, no, this is cool, it's fun. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that I wear shorts and it doesn't matter. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>unless you're doing like a game of pickup or like

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<v Speaker 1>horse at the bathroom. I mean, this guy could have

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<v Speaker 1>been playing a game a pickup. If we need more

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<v Speaker 1>sound effects in our life Easton, Yes, so yeah. He

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<v Speaker 1>followed up being like, Hey, had a great time. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>let you know when I get back. Why can't he

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<v Speaker 1>text you? Well, he's in Idaho? Does his phone network

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<v Speaker 1>there Ida? Who is no service in Idaho anywhere you go?

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, it is kind of hard doing

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<v Speaker 1>the whole texting for a really long time until the

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<v Speaker 1>next time you meet up. Yeah, but I mean, and

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<v Speaker 1>an article, a funny meme like keep it a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit along. I love guys send me articles like did

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<v Speaker 1>you see I'm a dork though a full blown door?

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<v Speaker 1>What type of articles do you get sent to you?

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<v Speaker 1>I actually I actually drunk and texted an X and

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<v Speaker 1>sent him um an article on the blue lobster. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you guys see that the blue lobster that got I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get bogged down in the minutia of

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<v Speaker 1>the blue lobster right now. But I can under I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting a glimpse into your dating life, Sadie. I like

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<v Speaker 1>date line six. I like I'm a door. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>read the New York Times on Sunday and that is

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite thing to do with coffee, and like, I

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<v Speaker 1>love it. And I also like being informed. What's wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with that? So you want this guy to send Tories

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of cnox. I don't know what Tories into,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know that I would love a CNN article.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to know about you know, what he

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<v Speaker 1>thinks on the Mueller Report. I mean, maybe this is

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<v Speaker 1>we need you on the podcast more often. This is

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<v Speaker 1>amazing stuff, all right, So okay, let's get back to

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. So then he texts me like, hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>back in town. How are you have you been? Like

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<v Speaker 1>what did I miss? So we're like chatting for a

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<v Speaker 1>bit and how long was he gone? Like five days? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So I got really sick this last weekend. So but

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<v Speaker 1>then I had to like I had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>prior prior plans that I had to get done. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was like, oh yeah, I'm sick. He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, Like, don't want to bring you tea. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still is it a date or not? We still

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<v Speaker 1>know this isn't a date, but this is just a

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<v Speaker 1>nice jes yeah, um and bring you to know. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a good and I was driving to some

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<v Speaker 1>in California for like a birthday party I was going to.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was just like, oh, that's so sweet of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and he was like, hey, here's everything you

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<v Speaker 1>need to take, Like, here's what you should be getting,

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<v Speaker 1>Like go to CVS, grab all these things and like

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<v Speaker 1>this thing hydrate to like double as fast. I go

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<v Speaker 1>get this packet and like, I hope you feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we like chatted for a bit and then

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<v Speaker 1>so do you think that that changes if it was

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<v Speaker 1>a date or not? To see how much he actually

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<v Speaker 1>cares about Tory. Now, he could just care about you

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<v Speaker 1>as a friend, but I also think that he's really

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<v Speaker 1>trying to impress you. I feel like this. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like he himself was not sure if it was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a date or not, and I think he

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<v Speaker 1>was maybe wanting to feel it out first, which is

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the reason why he was wearing basketball short. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that a date? Though? Isn't that the definition of a

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<v Speaker 1>date when you feel it out, Like that's the whole

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<v Speaker 1>point of a first day, you feeling thanks. They've had

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<v Speaker 1>such a weird history, the drunken face times and also

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<v Speaker 1>meeting at stagecoach. I mean, that's like meeting someone in Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that even going to be? But for me,

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<v Speaker 1>that makes it even more of a date because of

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<v Speaker 1>the history right where you're finally making plans to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out one on one. I mean then I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>see how it hang out so like anti climactic though,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like after three years, then we stroll on

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<v Speaker 1>Abbot Kenny with my basketball shorts and then I make

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<v Speaker 1>you pay for my latte. A date doesn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be climactic. I don't know what I think we want

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<v Speaker 1>our dates to be pretty climactic. Um, so you were sick,

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<v Speaker 1>he was cute, offered you and told you to go

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<v Speaker 1>get some you know night, Like, okay, it's like your

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<v Speaker 1>first time being sick. But sure, um and now what

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<v Speaker 1>so now? I mean I haven't I haven't really talked

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<v Speaker 1>him about like two days, okay, so I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>he's in he's up now, Honestly, I don't know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but God, I hope so. And here's the thing, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not even like he wasn't a bad date. He wasn't anything.

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<v Speaker 1>It just completely threw me for a loop on being like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>from now on, when people ask you to hang out.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, I used dating very loosely. I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're just getting to know each other, like you could

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<v Speaker 1>be dating ten people, because it just means, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 1>just going on dates with them and getting to know them.

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<v Speaker 1>So I feel like when somebody says, hey, I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to spend time with you and get to know you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a date. I agree. So for me, it threw

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<v Speaker 1>me for a loop when I offered to pay, I

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<v Speaker 1>honestly like my card went through when I was shocked

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<v Speaker 1>because I was like so not ready to pay, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was like we were having a great time.

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<v Speaker 1>It was great. And then maybe he maybe he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>raised right, because I think that the guy would have

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<v Speaker 1>that absolutely not. I don't want to throw this guy's

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<v Speaker 1>parents under the bus over here. Hey, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna ever let my son walk out and

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<v Speaker 1>going on dating basketball SHOT's but anyway, I I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't I think it was just two friends hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>after a while and maybe there would be something there.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't feel like that that's a date. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel I really don't hold on. Why don't? But I

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<v Speaker 1>think what we're getting down to is the definition of

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<v Speaker 1>the date, because what you exactly said before, you said

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it was a date, like getting to

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<v Speaker 1>know you. I agree with you, right, that's a date

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<v Speaker 1>to me. But to me, when he allowed her to pay,

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<v Speaker 1>that is when it became more of a friend, because

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<v Speaker 1>especially the first time, especially the first, your first date,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to give the best impression ever. You want

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<v Speaker 1>her to walk away feeling wow, I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>do that again. That was so much fun. The last

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<v Speaker 1>thing a guy who's really interested in a girl wants

0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.440
<v Speaker 1>the girl to think is gosh, what was that? Do

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<v Speaker 1>I need to text him? I'm confused? That was weird? Huh?

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<v Speaker 1>And like that's guys when they want something, they want something,

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<v Speaker 1>they make it so clear. I don't think. I. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're thinking of a guy that you want to see,

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<v Speaker 1>not how guys actually operates. Sed Maybe I'm manifesting right

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<v Speaker 1>here in the studio. Maybe he'll just walk through the door.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you have to realize that in this

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<v Speaker 1>day and age, guys don't go after what they want.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I think a massive I think a massive

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<v Speaker 1>majority of them don't. I think guys are far more

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<v Speaker 1>vulnerable than they have been in any type at any

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<v Speaker 1>point in society before. And I think guys are afraid

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<v Speaker 1>to show their vulnerability. And one way that guys shy

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<v Speaker 1>away from showing vulnerability is going after what they want.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if they go after what they want and failed,

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<v Speaker 1>then they failed. But if they go to something, not

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<v Speaker 1>something that they don't want, but show that hey, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm totally cool, I'm I'm aloof to this whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing too, don't even worry about it, then there's really

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<v Speaker 1>no letdown because in his head, he never really it

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<v Speaker 1>for it. That makes sense, even though in his head

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<v Speaker 1>I still think that he thought it was a date. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I could be wrong. I over analyze

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things. I do too. I completely understand.

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<v Speaker 1>I also, I just I feel though, like if he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted it to be a date, you would have known,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that you're we're talking about it on

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast, but then he texted you afterwards, and then

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<v Speaker 1>and then he texted you when he got back from Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like he's showing interest. Yeah, But here's my

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<v Speaker 1>my question. Let's let's talk endgame. Let's bring this all

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<v Speaker 1>the way down to let's to this thing. Let's bring

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<v Speaker 1>this down the field. Okay. How long is he in

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<v Speaker 1>town as he moved as he moved here permanently or

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<v Speaker 1>is he leaving He's leaving end of July. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>this is a temporary thing and he wants something casual. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That does change the game a little bit. And he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's sussing it out, he's feeling it out, he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to see Okay, will she sleep with me? Will she not?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I need to buy her a lot day? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. So he's feeling you out, he's keeping it casual.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's he going at the end of like far away?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't back Cleveland? Okay, that's right, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. Professional. Yeah, and he's not paying for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be wanting bachelor dates from this guy. Well

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<v Speaker 1>he was while he's in down you know what I mean? Like, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>what I guess. The main thing I would want to

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<v Speaker 1>know is like, should I stop offering to pay. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that about? Because I offered to pay on a date

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<v Speaker 1>that I had that following Friday, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely not, I asked you to be here, But I

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<v Speaker 1>still offered because I still want to be kind, But like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the etiquette on that? Because I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>kind as a girl and not expecting that. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, I don't want to be friend zoning

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<v Speaker 1>or stiff farming. I'm a firm believer letting the guy

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<v Speaker 1>pick up the tab for dinner, thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>but doing the doing the gesture where we really reached

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time for a person we just can't

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<v Speaker 1>find our wallet for minute, and then he pays, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you do, Hey, want to grab a drink somewhere?

0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.240
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to buy you a drink after Like that's

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<v Speaker 1>my move. Well, you know. The great thing about Etiquette,

0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.920
<v Speaker 1>at least today is that we have a professional at

0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.439
<v Speaker 1>etiquette coming onto the podcast later on. Her name is

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<v Speaker 1>Micah Meyer. She's the founder and director of an etiquette

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<v Speaker 1>online class, and she's coming right up. But first we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna take a little break. We have a very special

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<v Speaker 1>guest on the phone line calling in right now. The

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<v Speaker 1>founder and director of how do we beaumont Beaumont etiquette.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm terrible at pronouncing any word. Really. We have Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Meyer on the line, Mica, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us. Hi, thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I love what you're doing is amazing. Oh well, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we're just trying to help the masses and

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<v Speaker 1>not sucking at dating too much anymore. Now, Mica, you're

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<v Speaker 1>working with Venmo right now on an electronic app etiquette.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean? Well, I mean, really, when you

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, think about every kind of communication. We

0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:11.639
<v Speaker 1>really now have um is on our phones for the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, so there's never been rules you know before

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, what to do what not to do,

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<v Speaker 1>And all of these conversations started coming up about like

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<v Speaker 1>what what you know with venmo? Right, everybody everybody uses Venmo,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's one of those things for what is the

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<v Speaker 1>actual like what should we do? What are the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how long do I have to pay someone back? What

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<v Speaker 1>if someone doesn't pay me back? All these different questions

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:40.320
<v Speaker 1>are coming up, and so Venmo kind of asked user

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<v Speaker 1>community what they thought of kind of the hottest topics,

0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.600
<v Speaker 1>needing being one of them, and um we kind of

0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.720
<v Speaker 1>created a roadmap, if you will, of kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>dues and don't of of venmo etiquette. I'm curious, so

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<v Speaker 1>if if say, guy and a girl go on a date,

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<v Speaker 1>guy pays for the date, does the girl feel any

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<v Speaker 1>pressure to send a venmo or excuse me, should the

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<v Speaker 1>guys have feel any pressure to send a Venmo request?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a thing like? Well, it is such a

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<v Speaker 1>big thing. Is that like an unspoken thing? Should it

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.760
<v Speaker 1>be spoken at the date? Well? Yeah, So this is

0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.119
<v Speaker 1>one of the hottest topics right now, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>really what I always advised. Um in the venmo community

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<v Speaker 1>kind of said this, and I completely agree that there

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be any surprises with dating. So, for instance, if

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<v Speaker 1>you are going to a concert, or you're going into

0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.800
<v Speaker 1>dinner whatever it is, and you intend to ask somebody

0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:41.840
<v Speaker 1>to chip in for that meal, then it's it's telling

0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:45.480
<v Speaker 1>them ahead of times, Hey, the concert tickets are twenty

0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.080
<v Speaker 1>five dollars. Do you want to go on Saturday night?

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<v Speaker 1>Not just after the concert sending a Venmo request? Um, So,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the elimination of the prizes that I think is

0:22:55.840 --> 0:23:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the big thing there. A surprise Venmo requires is ever

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<v Speaker 1>wanted no, it's have you ever been friend requested on

0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>venmo by somebody? You just have no idea who the

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.879
<v Speaker 1>hell they are. I get that all the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious why people are trying to friend request me

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<v Speaker 1>on venmo. You're going toge social media. This is going

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<v Speaker 1>to blow your mind. So people are actually using venmo

0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.639
<v Speaker 1>as a social app, so they want to know. So

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe they've heard the podcast they you know, whatever it is.

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's the friend of a friend, so people. Look,

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>people are checking the app, but three times a week,

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:38.200
<v Speaker 1>not even to pay with the extender with the money,

0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:40.399
<v Speaker 1>to see what people are doing in their social fee.

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:45.080
<v Speaker 1>The emojis, yeah you have funny you know, request or

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:49.040
<v Speaker 1>payment and put some like fun emojis. Somebody can see

0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:51.600
<v Speaker 1>that and be like, oh, who's this fun guy and

0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 1>then request you. So people are using it as a

0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 1>social app as well, just another way to make someone jealous.

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Obviously that's the only point of venmo. I'm curious, Micah. Now,

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:07.800
<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts about who should pay on a

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 1>first date, or if a guy and a girl should split,

0:24:11.440 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 1>or even a guy and a guy, a girl and

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>a girl. What is the etiquette of a first date?

0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 1>And who pays even outside of Venmo today. Sure, sure,

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.800
<v Speaker 1>and so this is we teach the dating etiquette. Um.

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Of course at the Pado Hotel. You must come with

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.400
<v Speaker 1>during the neighborhood ever, please, it's so fun, um, but

0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:31.480
<v Speaker 1>we with this. This question is probably the number one

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 1>question we get, and I advise I teach very gender

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>neutral e generally speaking. And I truly believe it has

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:44.680
<v Speaker 1>less to do with um anything else except for who

0:24:44.800 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 1>invited the other person out, and whoever, whoever the person

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:50.920
<v Speaker 1>was that invited the other person out, chose the restaurant,

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:55.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, chose if their budget, they should pay. I

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:58.480
<v Speaker 1>truly believe that, and that worked with all same you know,

0:24:58.760 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 1>same gender um dating. It doesn't even matter whoever is

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>the inviter is the person I believe that should pay.

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 1>So even if a girl asks a guy out, like

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 1>let's grab a drink sometime, this place is in my neighborhood,

0:25:14.119 --> 0:25:16.639
<v Speaker 1>like let's go to you know, let's go to the

0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Beverly Hills Hotel. Let's go to the Beverly Hills Hotel.

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 1>So for example, Mica say, hypothetically, Sadie asked me out

0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 1>on a date. Now I'm gonna gage man so that

0:25:26.880 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 1>can happen. But hypothetically, Sadie asked me out, we go

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 1>out to where you want to go, Sadie, I would

0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:36.679
<v Speaker 1>like to go to the polo lounge. I mean on

0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:38.280
<v Speaker 1>a roll, let's do it. So we're gonna go to

0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the polo lounge. Shady chooses we go on the first date.

0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:43.680
<v Speaker 1>We are both mutually interested in each other, though we've

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:47.119
<v Speaker 1>both been flirting showing signs. We go to the polo lounge.

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.120
<v Speaker 1>The check comes. You're saying Sadie should pay the bill.

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>I say that Sadie should be prepared to pay the bill. Now,

0:25:55.800 --> 0:26:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know he decides. You know, the guy in

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.639
<v Speaker 1>the relationship in this case, hypothetically, do you say, you

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:05.919
<v Speaker 1>know what, thank you so much. That's so kind of you.

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.880
<v Speaker 1>I would love to treat you this time. Then Sadie,

0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 1>who is prepared to pay um, would just say thank you,

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that's so kind, and then so kind than otherwise I

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 1>would just venmo request you yes. Right. So I think

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:25.399
<v Speaker 1>the person who invites chooses if their budget they should

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.199
<v Speaker 1>go in expecting to pay. Now the other person says no,

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.359
<v Speaker 1>really like this is I would really love to treat you.

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, that it's so kind, like whatever

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>it is, that's all of my things so kind. But

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:38.159
<v Speaker 1>if that's the case, then Sadie says, thank you, she

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.360
<v Speaker 1>should go into it. She shouldn't be picking the most

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.360
<v Speaker 1>expensive place and then expecting someone else to pay for it.

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 1>Just keep that in mind, Sadie. As for the record,

0:26:49.760 --> 0:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>I I do like to pick up the tab. I'd

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:54.959
<v Speaker 1>like to do the Slie move where like I'm I'm

0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 1>gonna go use the restroom, yes, and then I end

0:26:57.760 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>up like it's taking care. But I'm more been every

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:03.719
<v Speaker 1>once in a while girl, because I've been the person

0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 1>in the relationship who pays for a lot of things

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and it's not a good feeling though, So I think

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>once you're in a relationship, you should be aware that

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 1>you need to pay even right. I think in dating,

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe I'm just more traditional, like I don't.

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I think we all are. I don't. Yeah, I think

0:27:23.040 --> 0:27:25.240
<v Speaker 1>there's I think you're right. I think there's just friends

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 1>on your dating style. Um, and if you massed up

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:30.040
<v Speaker 1>with somebody who's not the same dating stilesy, it's not

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:31.720
<v Speaker 1>going to work. So you you also need to find

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.560
<v Speaker 1>somebody who's more traditional in that way then, um, but

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.399
<v Speaker 1>with modern dating that's kind of the the thing. And

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>I also say, if somebody, say, you know, two people

0:27:40.720 --> 0:27:43.959
<v Speaker 1>go on a date and somebody goes and picks up

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 1>the bill, I or like kind of takes the bill

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 1>across the table and still you know, if it's an

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>obvious gesture for one thing, but if it's kind of

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 1>like sits there, you shouldn't expect that other person is

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>going to pay. I would always take out my wallet

0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:00.639
<v Speaker 1>and then let them say, oh no, like you know,

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, my treat or it happened to me once

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:07.080
<v Speaker 1>where that didn't happen and I had not two pennies

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>to my name and the man wasn't picking up the bill.

0:28:10.560 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>So then I took out my credit card and took

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 1>the bill and goes, oh, that's so nice to you,

0:28:15.200 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. My god. I wasn't even sure

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:21.360
<v Speaker 1>if my credit card was going to go through Old

0:28:21.440 --> 0:28:24.520
<v Speaker 1>in Manhattan. I had no idea who was even paying

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 1>those credit card. Um, and by miracle went through. But

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:31.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, so he has to be prepaired. But I'm

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>sure that was like the longest three minutes of your life.

0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 1>For when the servit took the credit card. Oh that's amazing.

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>What a great story though, And I never saw him again,

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>of course not. You know, the guy wanted a free dinner.

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>What can you say? Remember that one guy that did

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>that on all the dating apps, like he would just

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>go and then like leave the bill, like you really

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the date dash or dining dash remember in California. Yeah,

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.720
<v Speaker 1>it happened in Yeah. Now. The other thing we care

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 1>of out of just the past couple of weeks with

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>this discussion is people who go on a date and

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>the person offers, can I, you know, chip in for

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:09.959
<v Speaker 1>these drinks and then the other person says no, And

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 1>after the date, you know that the person who paid

0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 1>follows up and says, we'd love to take you out again.

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>The person the other person says, you know, I just

0:29:17.040 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't feel any chemistry, but thank you for you know,

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 1>last night, it was really nice of you. And then

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>they get the Venmo request. Yes, we've heard this a

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:31.160
<v Speaker 1>few times too, so you can deny vemo request, right, Yes,

0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to pay Venmo request. You definitely don't

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>have to, especially if you've already you've already offered to pay,

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 1>and then and then you didn't, you know, that's that's

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the wild one, and there's the the It

0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 1>was really funny that there's the survey that Vemo did

0:29:48.800 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>with like omnis exact topics, and it was the overall

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of like the biggest percentage was it was a

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 1>sixty six percent of families survey did not think it

0:29:58.520 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 1>was appropriate to take someone a date and then Venmo

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 1>request them for half to go afterwards, regardless of the situation.

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 1>So I feel like most Venmo users are with us

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>on that one totally. If you pick up the check,

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 1>do not send a Venmo request the next day for

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:16.040
<v Speaker 1>half the bill, because I'll say, if I was the

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>person receiving that Venom request, I would decline it. And

0:30:19.600 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 1>that's the virtual way of telling someone to go straight

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 1>to hell. You get out of my first and you

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>get a little bit even take a screenshot and post

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>it and be like wow, what it did? I know, Well,

0:30:30.200 --> 0:30:34.160
<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of that as people like having discussed

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>in points on board Canna read it about kind of

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>those exact screen grabs just really happened, Like what would

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 1>you all do? And everyone kind of like chiming in.

0:30:43.840 --> 0:30:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Now I am old fashioned, where I do think that

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 1>guys should pick up the bill. I know it's twenty nineteen,

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>but what can I say? It's the person I am.

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 1>But I will say from a guy going with my

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 1>experience going on dates, I always appreciated the girl going

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 1>for the reach, you know, the reach of hey, no,

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I'll split this, and it gives me even a little

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>bit more pride as a man to say no, no, no,

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>yeah I got it. You know, it's hard though, because

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 1>when you're sitting in high bar stools and your purse

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>is kind of on the ground and it's a really

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>long that's but that's the effort you put in, and

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 1>as a guy, appreciate that. Yeah, no, I I agree.

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>My dad always probably that from a really young age.

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 1>You always offer. You always offer, because it comes off

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 1>as expectant. It's like it's like the girl that goes

0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:35.000
<v Speaker 1>on a date and orders the lobster. It's the same

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of like did she really just like conspective, it's opportunistic,

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, it's like, those are two things that

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I think are really key for dating. Um. So, I

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:48.719
<v Speaker 1>also wanted to ask about friend zoning someone. Uh do

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:53.400
<v Speaker 1>you think if you ah, is it friend zoning someone?

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>When you offer to pay. I don't think so, because

0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>I think that person is just trying to show that,

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, they can take their own you know, they

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 1>can pay for their own drink. I think if I

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>want to date tonight, then I and I would offer.

0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I would always reach an offer, and um, and I

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:14.520
<v Speaker 1>don't think that means I'm not interested. It just shows

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 1>that I'm not expecting. I think that's that's it. And

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>I always teaching with etiquette, it's just about respect. That's

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>all it really is. This showing respect to the other person.

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.600
<v Speaker 1>I agree, but I feel like some guys take that

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:27.760
<v Speaker 1>as they're putting the friend zone. If a girl does

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 1>pay for herself instead of letting him pay for her

0:32:31.880 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>could and if they do, then then you know, if

0:32:34.720 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 1>that is and you know, she feels that vibe right away,

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and then she should make that clear and they thank

0:32:39.200 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>you so much. I've loved this, I would love to

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:43.080
<v Speaker 1>see you again, like and then maybe she takes the

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>initiative to say something. If she feels instantly that that's

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 1>his reaction, then then she you know, there are things

0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 1>that she can do or say that will, you know,

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of change the way that maybe she came off,

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.520
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to be a strong independent woman that also

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>wants to be taken care of too, do you know

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Like traditionally, like it's almost like what

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 1>are we supposed to do? Because I mean I was

0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 1>brought up thinking that, I mean, the guy really pays

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 1>for mostly everything, like especially when you're first dating, Like

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 1>if he's like asking me out, he's going to pay.

0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>But like at what point then do I look like

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm rude because I'm not at all paying for anything? Right?

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think you know what I what I

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>did with my now husband. I the first three or

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>four days, he paid for everything. And then I then

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 1>sent him a message like I would love to take

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 1>you here my treat and it was like a very

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 1>established you know, this is my thing. And then we

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>went to this outdoor concert it was like a symphony

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>under the Star thing in Central Park, and who I

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:55.840
<v Speaker 1>bought like because I knew he wouldn't I knew he

0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't let me pay for a restaurant or anything like that.

0:33:58.080 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>So I bought, you know, the wine and the cheese

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 1>and me like that. It was like more than I

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>genuinely wanted to treat him. Um, but otherwise, you know.

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 1>So I think you've got to choose something your but

0:34:07.840 --> 0:34:11.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't try your best to show gratitude and if they

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.319
<v Speaker 1>don't want you to pay, then just show gratitude. I think,

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 1>just thank you. It's really um, you know, thank you

0:34:17.239 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 1>so much. I think this is an interesting stat that

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I saw. It says more than half of Venmo users

0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 1>between the ages of eighteen and twenty four prefer to

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:30.359
<v Speaker 1>request separate tricks so as to avoid paying for other

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>people's extras. I think that shows kind of the society

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 1>we're living in today. I'm not saying it's a bad thing.

0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying people want to pay for themselves. Now.

0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 1>You think it's compressing, and I do. I think that's

0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>so depressing. And I think that's why as a woman

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 1>who is single, it's so confusing. It's so confusing. Oh,

0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>we've never lived in a more confusing time, my friend. Yeah,

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I think. I mean, I think I see that a lot.

0:34:58.000 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, even out in New York. It's like in

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:02.600
<v Speaker 1>l A. It's the same thing. It's a very everyone's

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:04.640
<v Speaker 1>beating out, everyone's dining out, and we see that a lot.

0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>And it's the only thing I would say is that

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:10.400
<v Speaker 1>with them. Uh, And you know it's kind of taking

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 1>out the awkwardness a little bit in other ways of

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about money instead of you know, everybody's had a

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>situation where you did just go out as friends or

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:21.800
<v Speaker 1>you did just go you know, and then someone would

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>you and it was like an awkward thing to follow

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:27.320
<v Speaker 1>up and now it's just you get a little as reminder. Um.

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.279
<v Speaker 1>But you know, with dating, I think I would say

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:33.360
<v Speaker 1>I would advise always just to go into it, you know,

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 1>thinking that you might be paying. Um. And if you know,

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.960
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the night somebody does pay or

0:35:40.000 --> 0:35:42.600
<v Speaker 1>offer let you let you pay when you didn't expect

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.440
<v Speaker 1>to that, then you know that person is not for you.

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 1>M interesting. Uh, Michael, I just had a couple dating

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:53.800
<v Speaker 1>etiquette questions that I was curious about. What time should

0:35:53.840 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 1>you arrive for a date a first date? Should you

0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 1>arrive on time, five minutes early, ten minutes early, should

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 1>you arrive five minutes late to try to you know,

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 1>not make it seem like your chill, so to invite

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:10.719
<v Speaker 1>that person gets there right on time because you want

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:12.800
<v Speaker 1>to be if you so five play in the restaurant

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:14.799
<v Speaker 1>and I get there on time, or even a couple

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 1>of minutes early, so you get there before the date.

0:36:16.680 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 1>If you're the person that was invited, then I would

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 1>show up about five minutes after the the arrival time coming.

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I like to do that. I like to make an entrance.

0:36:25.440 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Ye have your moment if I'm invited out. Yeah, you

0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 1>always want to walk in about five minutes late. Now,

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 1>because five minutes late is perfect. If you walk in

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:40.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes late, you're rude. Exactly exactly minutes, just like

0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 1>a tiny little bit after that, so you don't have

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.160
<v Speaker 1>the awkward moment where you both get out of your

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>ubers at the same time. If you make your entrance

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:51.879
<v Speaker 1>and but five minutes and I think much more than

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 1>that is could be even considered it rude. If you're

0:36:55.160 --> 0:36:57.640
<v Speaker 1>saying you are running fifteen minutes, you're stuck in light traffic,

0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. My kind of rule is for every

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>minute you think you're going to be late, you give

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>two minutes notice. So just attacks if you think you're

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.120
<v Speaker 1>gonna be ten minutes late, fifteen minutes late, then you know,

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:10.720
<v Speaker 1>try to give that person as much notice as possible.

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 1>Interesting that seems fair. Yeah, I like that. I also

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 1>really like it when the guy is there like ten

0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 1>minutes early, and says I always snagged a spot like

0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 1>in the corner. Like that even makes me were excited

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>for it because I'm like, oh wow, he's into it. Yeah, no,

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:28.799
<v Speaker 1>I agree. I think my old boss once told me

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:32.359
<v Speaker 1>five minutes early is on time. And I think as

0:37:32.360 --> 0:37:34.120
<v Speaker 1>a guy, if you're asking a girl on a day

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:35.839
<v Speaker 1>or any if you're asking another guy on a date,

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:39.479
<v Speaker 1>you should be there five minutes early, because, like you said,

0:37:39.520 --> 0:37:42.279
<v Speaker 1>it shows that you care and it starts the date

0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:45.919
<v Speaker 1>off on a positive note to exactly as the guy

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.399
<v Speaker 1>like hypothetically say, if I ask you out and you

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.919
<v Speaker 1>get there first and you're on time and I'm five

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:55.560
<v Speaker 1>minutes late, already starts the date off on a negative

0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:58.399
<v Speaker 1>way where you feel like I'm not into it, I'm

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>showing up late. Yeah, and then and then nothing can

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:05.120
<v Speaker 1>actually happen. I actually talked about this with a guy

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>I was on a first date with because there was

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:10.759
<v Speaker 1>a girl sitting at the bar waiting for somebody, and

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:14.879
<v Speaker 1>I said, I will never be that girl. If I

0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 1>realize that you're not there or you let me know

0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.440
<v Speaker 1>that you're running late, I am doing laps in my uber.

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I am not going to be sitting there way yeah, exactly.

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 1>And also one thing, if say, your date is late,

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 1>but they've let you know, listen, I'm stuck in traffic

0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.399
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is they're coming, they've let you know, which

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:33.279
<v Speaker 1>is a light thing to do. Sometimes you can't help it.

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Then if your job, if you're the one waiting, say

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:38.919
<v Speaker 1>on the girl or guy that's on their way that's late.

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:42.399
<v Speaker 1>When they arrive, then just if you do really like them,

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>don't make them feel bad about it. I think it's

0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:48.560
<v Speaker 1>a good etiquette in that moment um. It's that etiquette

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>to point out that it aqua I would waiting exactly.

0:38:52.800 --> 0:38:55.040
<v Speaker 1>So exactly you say, can I order you a drink?

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 1>So you have one? A fresh costs so waiting when

0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>you get here, and then when they arrived, they honestly

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>no worries. Please relax, here's your martini. You look fantastic. Um,

0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:08.879
<v Speaker 1>please just relax and joy, you know, so you take

0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:12.919
<v Speaker 1>off the awkwardness of them. So, Michael, what time should

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:16.640
<v Speaker 1>you arrive for a party? Say, like somebody says I'm

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>having a party, come over any time after eight? What

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:28.879
<v Speaker 1>time would you go? I would arrive eight? Yeah, I think,

0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>And this is a time where even you think five

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>minutes early, this is a time where five minutes early

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 1>is the worst thing you can do. Because if you

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 1>go to someone's home, if anybody has ever hosted a

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>party before, you know, the last five minutes, you know,

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:43.160
<v Speaker 1>you're doing the last details, you're taking something out of

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.239
<v Speaker 1>the oven, you're whatever, curling your hair, whatever it is.

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 1>That's the time that it's the worst. I was like

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 1>ding dong, like really so the so I would say,

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:58.280
<v Speaker 1>just give that person who's posting a little extra times

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 1>upper time and then show up and always I think,

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:04.200
<v Speaker 1>never show up empty handed. Always show up with something

0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 1>in hand. What about does a two leader bottle of

0:40:07.680 --> 0:40:11.759
<v Speaker 1>Coca Cola count? Because George Constanza thought that was good etiquette.

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I guess at the times on

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 1>the crowd you're going to, if you're going to a crowd,

0:40:19.280 --> 0:40:22.839
<v Speaker 1>that that's what they drink. And right, I mean, you'll

0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 1>be the most popular one there if you bring a

0:40:24.320 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 1>two leader call you would be It's all relative. But no,

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:31.240
<v Speaker 1>I think I always ask what can I bring? Before?

0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:32.879
<v Speaker 1>I still ask im, like, hey, thank you so much,

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 1>we would love to come. What can I bring? And

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 1>not do this like I'm confused. This is? This is?

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean I always bring something, and I feel like

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 1>it's so rude, Like you always show up if you're

0:40:45.600 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 1>going to someone's home, even if it isn't a party.

0:40:49.000 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's nice to bring something or offer

0:40:52.760 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 1>at least I think that anything. I could really be anything.

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 1>It's just so it's just a show. Thinks really that

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:03.720
<v Speaker 1>you know for hosting, right, Yeah, but people are ignorant.

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people just don't know, you know, they

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>show up and they think it's okay. I mean it

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 1>is okay. I'm not saying it's like terribly wrong, but

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>it's also somewhat rude. Um. But on the flip side,

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 1>if you're hosting a party, I always say not to

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 1>allow people to bring things unless it's like the right,

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 1>like it's a super Bowl party. Never is bringing something.

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like a pot luck. If someone comes and I'm

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 1>having a dinner party, your costol party, and someone text

0:41:26.840 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 1>me how I what can I bring? I always just say,

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, just an appetite season, thank you so much

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 1>for asking. I always say, like, just yourself, just bring

0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:37.480
<v Speaker 1>yourself exactly, that's exactly right, because you don't want to

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's nothing worse. And I've been assigned many

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:43.359
<v Speaker 1>times when somebody's hosting something amazing. Okay, Mike a great, Yes,

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:45.760
<v Speaker 1>I would love because please bring this, you know, theif

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 1>or that, and you're not expecting it, right, it's just like, oh,

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 1>um yeah, So that's that's my other thing. All of

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, you're responsible for the seven. And before you go, Mike,

0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I just have one more question. Whenever I think of etiquette,

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I think of dinner etiquette, and I always go back

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:03.200
<v Speaker 1>to that scene from Pretty Woman, which I'm sure everybody

0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:05.680
<v Speaker 1>has seen by an hour. She flicks the meat ball

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:09.280
<v Speaker 1>and she doesn't know which fork is the salad fork. Yeah,

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and so is dinner etiquette still a thing? Because like

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:19.640
<v Speaker 1>elbows on the table, sitting up upright? Um, you you

0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:23.160
<v Speaker 1>just literally it is our most popular class. We We

0:42:23.200 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>actually travel the entire We traveled the nation teaching huge

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 1>classes of them, up to a thousand people at times,

0:42:29.920 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 1>signing etiquette. It's our it's kind of our bread and

0:42:32.680 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 1>butter people. Um, because once you learn from the most simple,

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:38.800
<v Speaker 1>simple techniques, you don't need to tick the class again.

0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.359
<v Speaker 1>It's that's all you need to know. Actually, just post

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 1>an into my Instagram post yesterday was video on the

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:48.320
<v Speaker 1>basics of digning etiquette, because I got so many questions

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:52.000
<v Speaker 1>about I'm always feeling somebody's bread plate or wine glass

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:53.799
<v Speaker 1>probably know what side is on, and so I give

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:57.440
<v Speaker 1>like a little pipper trick um because if there's so

0:42:57.440 --> 0:42:59.879
<v Speaker 1>many questions and you can't enjoy your meal on a date,

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>is you're so concerned about which bourkn night to pick up.

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 1>It's all about having confidence, so you can go anywhere

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:07.919
<v Speaker 1>and just look down and know exactly what's in front

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:09.879
<v Speaker 1>of you. And that's kind of the key. I think,

0:43:11.239 --> 0:43:13.399
<v Speaker 1>well that I love that. Yeah, it's good to know.

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I always I try to always not keep my elbows

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:18.879
<v Speaker 1>on the table, but it's very hard because that's kind

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.759
<v Speaker 1>of the way I sit. Yeah, I crossed my fingers

0:43:21.800 --> 0:43:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and then it is very comfy. The soup thing gets

0:43:24.400 --> 0:43:26.160
<v Speaker 1>me too. You have to from you go from me,

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.359
<v Speaker 1>You go toward the table, not toward yourself when you're

0:43:30.640 --> 0:43:34.759
<v Speaker 1>I know, I love this stuff. I was raised a

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 1>certain way to like know exactly what to do. And

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 1>then also you always write a thank you note, even

0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 1>for the smallest gesture. I love etiquette. Etiquette never goes

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:48.319
<v Speaker 1>out of style. No, exactly right, and we're kind of

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 1>making it hopefully it's you know, we keep formally but

0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.840
<v Speaker 1>in a like a fun way so it's relatable and people,

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm a millennial people, you know, like if you make

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>it too sterile and you know, it's polusly fun and

0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 1>it's really as about like I said, respect, So if

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you just kind of strip away all the formality about it,

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:06.840
<v Speaker 1>then then it's kind of like WHOA, I use this

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:10.320
<v Speaker 1>every day and hopefully other people, well we'll catch on

0:44:10.440 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>to that, do you do? I think they will. Well,

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:15.359
<v Speaker 1>mikeael Meyer, thank you so much for joining us. We

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 1>really appreciate it. And where can everybody find you now? Oh?

0:44:19.120 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 1>Thank you? Um so on social media it's at m

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>y K A M E I E R at mikel

0:44:25.719 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Meyer or my website which is Beaumont Etiquette dot com.

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:31.040
<v Speaker 1>And we keep course at the Plaza Hotel here in

0:44:31.040 --> 0:44:34.160
<v Speaker 1>New York in nationally fine, yes, and you have your

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.960
<v Speaker 1>partnership with Venmo, which is very exciting. We're very excited

0:44:37.000 --> 0:44:39.279
<v Speaker 1>for you and Michael. Once again, thank you so much

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 1>for joining us on the podcast. Thank you, I'll have

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 1>a great day. Thanks very informative. I just started following her.

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 1>That's good. I mean, that's what we want everybody listening

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 1>go follow Mike as well. I'm sure she's a great

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:55.840
<v Speaker 1>a swell gal. She just seems very swell. It's the

0:44:55.880 --> 0:45:00.000
<v Speaker 1>best way. Etiquette is something that, like you said, we'll

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>never go out of style because it's always the small

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>details that I remember. For example, when you said thank you. Know,

0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 1>if I received a thank you note from somebody that

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I invited to get together, that would mean so much

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 1>to me, And it probably took you ten seconds, right,

0:45:16.880 --> 0:45:19.520
<v Speaker 1>And it's more of I mean, I hate to say

0:45:19.560 --> 0:45:21.920
<v Speaker 1>this because it sounds like I'm being pretty selfish, but

0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:23.839
<v Speaker 1>it's like a reflection of who you are, and it's

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 1>like it's your reputation. Like remember I sent you guys

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 1>a nice little bottle of something when like I was

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:32.680
<v Speaker 1>supposed to come in studio to a nice little chit chat,

0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 1>pinched a nerve thanks to hot yoga. You know, couldn't

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 1>if I had a nickel. I know it, man, I

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 1>know it, but had to do a call in how

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:45.520
<v Speaker 1>to do a phoner and like I felt bad, so

0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:47.480
<v Speaker 1>we send we send champs. Yeah, and that was very

0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 1>nice of you. But that's a nice thing to do,

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's so easy, especially with like all the apps

0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 1>like Grizzly and all that stuff. I mean, it's like

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 1>it's all the excuse to be a horrible human being.

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:03.760
<v Speaker 1>It's almost too easy now, and it just makes us lazy.

0:46:04.640 --> 0:46:07.480
<v Speaker 1>And so now we've gone so far into the laziness

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 1>that we don't even do it anymore because it's just

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:11.239
<v Speaker 1>too easy. Does that make sense? It does make sense.

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it makes sense in my head, I

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:16.160
<v Speaker 1>feel saying it. I realized it doesn't make as much sense.

0:46:16.280 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 1>I understand. I'm picking up what you're putting down, and

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I understand it also because that's how it is for

0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 1>like the dating apps, Like I feel like with like

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Bumble Tender Array or whatever, like it's so easy for

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:29.120
<v Speaker 1>you to like match with somebody and it's like you

0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:31.960
<v Speaker 1>get that little validation and then like the conversation doesn't happen,

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>or you become pen pals for three weeks straight. Well,

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 1>it's all about instant gratification and with so with with

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:42.239
<v Speaker 1>dating apps, you get that immediately as soon as you

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.320
<v Speaker 1>match with somebody, So why do you need the validation

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of meeting up with them when you've already got the

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 1>validation that they like you, right, and it's our pure

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>laziness that just a yes, I know. I mean I

0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:54.680
<v Speaker 1>have done I've been like, oh, here's cude, let's say

0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:57.000
<v Speaker 1>where your match and then I'm like oh bye, oh yeah,

0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I I used to do it too. When I was

0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 1>on dating. I got called out one time by a girl. Oh.

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 1>I went on a couple of dates with the girl

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and they were they were good, uh and she was

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 1>very lovely just not my person, not act not actually

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.799
<v Speaker 1>I and um, I think I was also going through

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.799
<v Speaker 1>like personal things at the time as well. But I

0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:20.399
<v Speaker 1>remember she wanted to meet up again, and I kind

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:22.439
<v Speaker 1>of kept putting it off because I knew it wasn't

0:47:22.440 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 1>really going anywhere. And then she texted me like randomly

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.320
<v Speaker 1>months afterwards, saying how I never gave her a chance

0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna end up alone if I don't. Like

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:33.440
<v Speaker 1>she must have been drinking. Yeah, it was probably one

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.359
<v Speaker 1>of those nights where she was like, screw this guy,

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:39.439
<v Speaker 1>one o'clock in the morning, sending sending this text. Um.

0:47:40.160 --> 0:47:42.840
<v Speaker 1>It was quite endearing though, because she was she was

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 1>right in a lot of ways. It was like, no,

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:47.399
<v Speaker 1>you're you're right, like, until I opened up myself more

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 1>and give people more of a shot than I'm going

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 1>to die alone. I fully understand where you're coming from.

0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I was just talking to my friend about how I

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.959
<v Speaker 1>really teet her right now in my life on like, yes,

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm independent choosing to be single right now until I

0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 1>find my exact person to like, I am going to

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.279
<v Speaker 1>die alone, Like thank god I have my dogs, you know,

0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:09.320
<v Speaker 1>like you're convinced you're gonna die, like you have those moments.

0:48:09.360 --> 0:48:11.759
<v Speaker 1>We're just like, you're so up and down. But I

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.279
<v Speaker 1>love that she called you out. That's great. Yeah, I was.

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:16.239
<v Speaker 1>It was weird because I didn't know her that well,

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 1>but I was. I was kind of while sad that

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:24.360
<v Speaker 1>being like, you know, telling her telling me that I'm

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.319
<v Speaker 1>like a shell of a man. But at the same

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 1>time it was almost uplifting. I was proud of her

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:33.359
<v Speaker 1>and like, yeah, I know you're right. You're absolutely right.

0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I need to step up to the play. I'm not

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>doing as best a job as I can do within

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:42.360
<v Speaker 1>this dating world. Did you reply. I think I did

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:46.000
<v Speaker 1>something along the lines of, you know, saying, hey, listen,

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. You know you're you're right in some sense,

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:51.320
<v Speaker 1>in other senses. I don't think you're right and probably

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:52.880
<v Speaker 1>not going to die alone. Yeah, it was kind of

0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:56.239
<v Speaker 1>like an adult conversation. It was nice. Yeah, it was good. Yeah,

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.680
<v Speaker 1>hopefully I won't die alone. We'll find out. I guess

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:02.160
<v Speaker 1>soon enough. Um, i'd say, you're not going to dialone.

0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I promise. I think I'll be okay. I think you're

0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 1>gonna be just fine. You're a beautiful young lady. I've

0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:09.960
<v Speaker 1>got a lot going for you. You're gonna be just fine. Um.

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:12.919
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0:50:26.719 --> 0:50:28.359
<v Speaker 1>I started dating a guy who said I love you

0:50:28.520 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 1>just after a few months, but then he ended things

0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:32.120
<v Speaker 1>because he wasn't sure if he was ready for a

0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:35.280
<v Speaker 1>serious relationship. A few months later, he started to pursue

0:50:35.320 --> 0:50:37.920
<v Speaker 1>me again. Soon I love you as being said again,

0:50:38.400 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and then he took it back during a fight and said,

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't think this is love. The next thing, he

0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:45.920
<v Speaker 1>apologized for being so harsh and just wanted to forget

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.239
<v Speaker 1>the night and act like it never happened. It's now

0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:51.120
<v Speaker 1>been three years and he has never said I love

0:50:51.160 --> 0:50:54.399
<v Speaker 1>you again or anything close to it. I literally don't

0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:56.880
<v Speaker 1>know where his emotions are or if we're moving forward.

0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.360
<v Speaker 1>I have brought this conversation up three times within the

0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.400
<v Speaker 1>past few month, and he will either react by not

0:51:01.520 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 1>speaking or he will say I can't put it into

0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:06.839
<v Speaker 1>words right now, but when I can, I'll bring it up.

0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:09.440
<v Speaker 1>He knows how I feel, and this is making me

0:51:09.480 --> 0:51:12.360
<v Speaker 1>so insecure. Is this a deal breaker? Do actions speak

0:51:12.440 --> 0:51:16.200
<v Speaker 1>louder than words, even if you're asking for words. Yeah,

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 1>this guy sounds like a child. He won't speak to her.

0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:23.120
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like he needs some therapy, and he uses

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:26.480
<v Speaker 1>love and his emotions as collateral in the relationship to

0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:29.360
<v Speaker 1>hold it sounds like almost like all power. Yeah, he's

0:51:29.520 --> 0:51:32.759
<v Speaker 1>he uses it as leverage over her head, like well,

0:51:32.840 --> 0:51:34.400
<v Speaker 1>you know I'm not gonna say it now, so you

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:36.719
<v Speaker 1>just gotta keep waiting. Yeah, that's not even going to

0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:38.960
<v Speaker 1>be a good dad, Like that's you have to think

0:51:39.000 --> 0:51:41.560
<v Speaker 1>about your future. This girl needs to get it's definitely

0:51:41.600 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 1>not a good husband if he's using love as any

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.720
<v Speaker 1>type of leverage or just you even saying the word.

0:51:46.760 --> 0:51:50.000
<v Speaker 1>It's so interesting though, because he obviously jumped in pretty

0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:52.600
<v Speaker 1>quickly by saying I love you just after a few months,

0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:56.120
<v Speaker 1>but then the relationship ended because he wasn't ready for

0:51:56.120 --> 0:52:01.680
<v Speaker 1>anything serious. He obviously missed her, wanted her back, said

0:52:01.719 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 1>I love you, but then got into a fight. I'm

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:06.439
<v Speaker 1>curious what the fight was about and why it got

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.439
<v Speaker 1>so nasty where he said I don't think this is love,

0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:12.640
<v Speaker 1>and then they date for three more years and he

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 1>doesn't say it again. But there's got to be something

0:52:15.200 --> 0:52:17.960
<v Speaker 1>about this guy that she is really into to spend

0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 1>three years with him. Well, things, if it's working in

0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:24.200
<v Speaker 1>certain areas, people stick around, whether it's money or sex,

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and you never know, people stay in things because it's

0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:29.919
<v Speaker 1>working for them on some level. Yeah, it's comfortable, right,

0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:31.799
<v Speaker 1>And I think she's trying to be like with the

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:34.640
<v Speaker 1>love languages, she's trying to be like, Oh, he does

0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:37.160
<v Speaker 1>act like he loves me, but he won't say it.

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:41.440
<v Speaker 1>But she sounds like she needs words of affirmation. Clearly,

0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:44.360
<v Speaker 1>How could you not after three years of not hearing

0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:48.560
<v Speaker 1>it out? Um, I think, yeah, I mean, if you

0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>keep and she's doing everything she can. She keeps going

0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 1>up to him and asking him to talk about things,

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:58.280
<v Speaker 1>and either he doesn't speak, which is absurd and childish,

0:52:58.440 --> 0:53:00.480
<v Speaker 1>or he says I can't put into words right now,

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:03.279
<v Speaker 1>but when I can, I'll bring it up it's a

0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:06.440
<v Speaker 1>form of abuse. Honestly, that is like the silent treatment,

0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.000
<v Speaker 1>all of that. Things like that. Can that can just

0:53:09.360 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 1>mess with you because he's gaslighting her. Fully, Yeah, what

0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:16.799
<v Speaker 1>does gaslighting? Gas flighting is when you're like mentally manipulating

0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 1>somebody into thinking that something is happening when it really isn't.

0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:23.839
<v Speaker 1>Or I think it was based off of a play. Okay,

0:53:23.880 --> 0:53:25.759
<v Speaker 1>so it's like an illusion where like like a guy

0:53:25.960 --> 0:53:27.680
<v Speaker 1>was like turning the lights on and off and the

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 1>woman was like, what's going on with the lights and

0:53:29.800 --> 0:53:32.319
<v Speaker 1>he was like, nothing, nothing's going on when clearly things

0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:35.080
<v Speaker 1>were happening. It's convincing you're part of their crazy for

0:53:35.120 --> 0:53:37.800
<v Speaker 1>believing the truth. Rightly, it's in order to have the

0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:40.799
<v Speaker 1>control and the power of the relationship. I mean he's

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 1>obviously doing that right now by saying that when I'm

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:45.759
<v Speaker 1>able to talk about it, I'll bring it up as

0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:47.839
<v Speaker 1>if she has some advocate that part a little bit?

0:53:47.920 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Is it him? Like you know when a guy wants

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to propose and he wants it to be a big

0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 1>surprise and she keeps bringing up the proposals like no, no, no, no,

0:53:54.760 --> 0:53:57.080
<v Speaker 1>stop stopped out. I wanted to be a surprise because

0:53:57.080 --> 0:53:58.800
<v Speaker 1>every time she brings it up, he's gotta wait like

0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:02.480
<v Speaker 1>another three weeks, so it's not on top of mind anymore.

0:54:02.560 --> 0:54:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Is that what he's doing? Maybe, like she keeps bringing up, like,

0:54:04.760 --> 0:54:06.520
<v Speaker 1>stop bringing up I'm gonna say I love you. I'm

0:54:06.560 --> 0:54:08.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna make a big production out of it. Ye. We

0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:11.279
<v Speaker 1>don't know how. We don't know how annoying this girl is.

0:54:11.600 --> 0:54:14.919
<v Speaker 1>She could be super annoying for annoying, Like she could

0:54:14.920 --> 0:54:16.799
<v Speaker 1>just be like at dinner, like why would't you say

0:54:16.840 --> 0:54:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you love me? And this guy's like, please just let

0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.000
<v Speaker 1>me breathe for three seconds without you bringing this topic

0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:24.759
<v Speaker 1>off right, like I'm using the bathroom, okay, like you

0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:27.839
<v Speaker 1>We don't really know what's going on. The only reason

0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:31.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's that it's because the last time

0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:33.480
<v Speaker 1>any of this was brought up was in an argument

0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:36.120
<v Speaker 1>three years ago when he says I don't think this

0:54:36.239 --> 0:54:39.200
<v Speaker 1>is love and he apologized but has yet to say

0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.600
<v Speaker 1>it since in three years. And if he's saving it

0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.359
<v Speaker 1>for the engagement, I got news for you, bro, Just

0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:48.319
<v Speaker 1>say it as soon as you possibly can, because it's

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:50.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it would be a romantic gesture anymore

0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:53.120
<v Speaker 1>for him to say it at the engagement. It's not great.

0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:57.000
<v Speaker 1>She needs to figure out is she happy without those words.

0:54:56.840 --> 0:55:00.880
<v Speaker 1>It's just really really get them why they do it? Anonymous.

0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I feel like people feel ashamed, which they shouldn't. Everybody's

0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:06.720
<v Speaker 1>going through issues in their own Yeah, you know, everybody's

0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:08.160
<v Speaker 1>got their own thing. But I feel like she can

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:11.680
<v Speaker 1>do better and she needs more and she deserves someone

0:55:11.800 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 1>who will say that he loves her. I think she

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:17.719
<v Speaker 1>just needs more transparency, and if he's unwilling to give that,

0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:19.960
<v Speaker 1>then she needs to think about moving on because this

0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:21.600
<v Speaker 1>is not the way you should live here. And he's

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:24.440
<v Speaker 1>so like Willy Nilly with the I love you was

0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:26.960
<v Speaker 1>in the beginning and then taking them away and all that.

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:28.919
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not like a sweater. Yeah, the only

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I like the sweater award a lot, and then it

0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:35.440
<v Speaker 1>just went out of fashion, so I'll stopped wearing it.

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I want it back. It's it's getting cold outside. Um yeah,

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I just think, uh, I forget what I lost my

0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:45.520
<v Speaker 1>train of thought after the sweater thing. It's great. I

0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:48.080
<v Speaker 1>love the sweater comparison. Don't you ever apologize for that.

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Kimberly has an issue that I think as relatable. To

0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people. She says, I met a guy

0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 1>named Adam. He's thirty nine right after I joined Hinge,

0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:57.640
<v Speaker 1>so I was a little unsure of myself and my

0:55:57.680 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 1>feeling since it happened right after my breakup. Us. Four

0:56:00.360 --> 0:56:03.080
<v Speaker 1>or three months, we've become best friends. We text and

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:05.840
<v Speaker 1>or talk for hours every day. We're actually now in

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:09.319
<v Speaker 1>the friends with benefits category too. We both say that

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:11.719
<v Speaker 1>we have feelings for each other, but he's struggling to

0:56:11.760 --> 0:56:14.360
<v Speaker 1>get me out of the friend zone. He says that

0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:17.320
<v Speaker 1>I check nine out of the ten boxes on his list,

0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:20.919
<v Speaker 1>but the thing that's missing is the spark. He says,

0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:24.360
<v Speaker 1>he feels like he's kissing his best friend Jared. Okay,

0:56:25.320 --> 0:56:27.279
<v Speaker 1>well she personalized with this. Shi Jared, how did you

0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:29.759
<v Speaker 1>get Ashley out of the friend zone? Well, actually did

0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 1>that herself. I don't want to take because Kimberly wants

0:56:33.239 --> 0:56:37.080
<v Speaker 1>to do that. I think I've certainly never said to

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Actuley she checks off nine of my ten boxes. That's

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:47.000
<v Speaker 1>so bad. Any guy listening to this, do not ever

0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:53.440
<v Speaker 1>say that to anybody so rude? Um, Well, I think

0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean listen. I'm not proud to say this, but

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 1>with my situation with Actually I got a glimpse of

0:57:02.719 --> 0:57:06.600
<v Speaker 1>my life without her and realized that I was being

0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:09.640
<v Speaker 1>an idiot and that I was afraid of commitment and

0:57:09.719 --> 0:57:12.560
<v Speaker 1>afraid of of diving into a relationship and had to

0:57:12.680 --> 0:57:15.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of deal with my own insecurities as a person,

0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:17.720
<v Speaker 1>as a man to really try to just push those

0:57:17.760 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 1>to the side and go after the things I want,

0:57:19.600 --> 0:57:22.919
<v Speaker 1>which was actually at the time. UM. I'm not saying

0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:24.520
<v Speaker 1>that's a good thing, because it shouldn't come down to

0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that point for a lot of things. Um, but I

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>think maybe this is a scenario where Kimberly, you could

0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>show this guy what his life would look like without you,

0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:38.520
<v Speaker 1>because if you're checking off nine in the ten boxes,

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:43.120
<v Speaker 1>that's actually really good when you think about it. I'm sorry,

0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:47.840
<v Speaker 1>but any within any relationship, your significant other, it's not

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna be ten out of ten. Everything is perfect. We

0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:53.400
<v Speaker 1>agree on everything, we like to do everything, uh you know,

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:56.480
<v Speaker 1>the same at the same time, and we we never argue.

0:57:56.560 --> 0:57:59.200
<v Speaker 1>That's just not realistic and that's not how relationships work.

0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:02.240
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's I needs to realize that this,

0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:04.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm surprised he hasn't because not say age is

0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:07.600
<v Speaker 1>a huge factor, but being thirty nine years old, you would,

0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, you go through so many different life experiences,

0:58:10.360 --> 0:58:13.080
<v Speaker 1>Peter Pan. Maybe maybe yeah, maybe this is is not growing up.

0:58:13.160 --> 0:58:15.120
<v Speaker 1>That could be an issue too, if he's afraid of commitment.

0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:17.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's been single for a while. He's thirty

0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:21.880
<v Speaker 1>nine already. Um, that's certainly not old. But you know,

0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I think at thirty nine you go through enough life

0:58:23.640 --> 0:58:25.600
<v Speaker 1>experience to kind of have an idea of what you

0:58:25.640 --> 0:58:28.680
<v Speaker 1>want exactly versus what you don't want, and the idea

0:58:28.720 --> 0:58:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that you check off nine in the ten boxes. For me,

0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:33.960
<v Speaker 1>seems like, hey, this is something I should want, I

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:36.840
<v Speaker 1>should go after, and she should just focus on herself

0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:39.560
<v Speaker 1>because the more you focus on you, the more others

0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:42.160
<v Speaker 1>will too. And I believe that when you're dating, it's

0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:44.680
<v Speaker 1>like you're dancing and you're you're in your own little

0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:47.320
<v Speaker 1>world and your dance. And if you're loving your life

0:58:47.720 --> 0:58:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and you're dancing in your own life, you need someone

0:58:50.480 --> 0:58:53.400
<v Speaker 1>to pull you out of that to really make you, you

0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:55.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, take notice and like really want to be

0:58:55.760 --> 0:58:57.880
<v Speaker 1>with something. She just needs to focus on her own life.

0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:00.000
<v Speaker 1>That makes sense, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, absolutely,

0:59:00.200 --> 0:59:02.760
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing more attractive than someone who loves their own

0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:05.480
<v Speaker 1>life and they're not like focused on why this person

0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:09.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want me all the way and stop sleeping with him. Yeah,

0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:12.920
<v Speaker 1>that's a big one. Come on now, honey, giving up

0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 1>the goods? Yeah, you're given up the goods. And the

0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:16.560
<v Speaker 1>thing is, why would he ever commit in a relationship

0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:18.520
<v Speaker 1>where he has everything he wants right now? He has

0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:21.560
<v Speaker 1>he has the best best friend exactly. You're his best friend.

0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:24.200
<v Speaker 1>You're talking to him every day, texting, calling, so it's

0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:27.280
<v Speaker 1>pretty much a relationship there. You're sleeping with him, so

0:59:27.320 --> 0:59:29.080
<v Speaker 1>he has the physical part of it. Why would he

0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:31.400
<v Speaker 1>ever jump into a relationship when he has everything here

0:59:31.560 --> 0:59:33.480
<v Speaker 1>he wants. It's interesting, he says, I can't. It's just

0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:35.600
<v Speaker 1>it's like kissing my best friend. But you clear don't

0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:39.040
<v Speaker 1>have any trouble having seen. Isn't that what we all

0:59:39.080 --> 0:59:43.480
<v Speaker 1>want to find? I want something I want to be. Yes,

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:45.360
<v Speaker 1>he's just he probably just doesn't want to take her

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 1>to the airport. I mean my friends, he doesn't. He

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:52.040
<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to do all those things, you know, the

0:59:52.160 --> 0:59:55.320
<v Speaker 1>relationships stuff, Sadie. So if you had to describe your

0:59:55.440 --> 0:59:59.520
<v Speaker 1>dating life with one dance, what is your dance? The salsa?

1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:04.160
<v Speaker 1>The Sausa. I like it. Insert emoji girl with blonde hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice and you're wearing a red dress. Doesn't she wear

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<v Speaker 1>the red dress in the emojio? You are that emoji girl?

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<v Speaker 1>Right now? Before we go, I just wanted to tap

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<v Speaker 1>touch on God. That last email got my mind in

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<v Speaker 1>the gutter. Apparently I wanted to touch on the bachelorrette Sadie.

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<v Speaker 1>You were on the show, so was I. Last night

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<v Speaker 1>was hometowns. I know you have some particular opinions about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you wanted to voice them. Hannah

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<v Speaker 1>certainly did last night on Twitter. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you guys saw that and see that. I'd like to know.

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<v Speaker 1>So what happened? So she was live tweeting along with

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and are you maybe live having some veno?

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<v Speaker 1>I think she was having a couple of classes of

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe you know she's enjoying herself. Some of

1:00:42.080 --> 1:00:46.160
<v Speaker 1>her grammar was a little off. Um, but have you

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<v Speaker 1>kept up with the jet drama as well? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>know about that? You know about the windmill with his

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<v Speaker 1>off show stuff. I haven't heard anything. This is huge news.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to me. So Jed is obviously in the final four.

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<v Speaker 1>About three weeks ago, People magazine broke the story that

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<v Speaker 1>Jed went on The Bachelor rete with a girlfriend that

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<v Speaker 1>he broke up with by text or the other did

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<v Speaker 1>not break up with her. He went on the show

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<v Speaker 1>told this girl that he was going to fake the

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<v Speaker 1>entire thing he wanted to go on for his music career,

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<v Speaker 1>and that when he got off the show they would

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<v Speaker 1>they would still be together. Literally, I'm not surprised though

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<v Speaker 1>all he's plugging his music like nobody's wasable. Hey Hannah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get to the studio and write a song together

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll be the only one singing. It's like he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing a parody of himself, because last night during Hometowns,

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<v Speaker 1>you think, I'll watch Jed's gonna have some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>musical hometown And of course what did they do except

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<v Speaker 1>go into a studio write a song together about how

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<v Speaker 1>they're in the stars. And it's like, you can't even

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<v Speaker 1>write this stuff. You can't write it. It was so lame.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, maybe it's I have stars in my

1:01:50.120 --> 1:01:53.600
<v Speaker 1>dress with the sign she was falling forward obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a guy with the guitar, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>can I can see it. I totally see it um.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's the big drama right now. I Mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there's obvious in the show, but that's a big one

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<v Speaker 1>because he's obviously in the final four. He's going to

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<v Speaker 1>Fantasy Fantasy sweets, and she already gave it up. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>from all the promos she does say that she had

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<v Speaker 1>sex with somebody in the windmill, and it does from

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<v Speaker 1>everything I've seen online, it seems like it was Jed. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>he's smart, because we're talking about him right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not that smart though, because as soon as the

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<v Speaker 1>show ends, people are going to hate. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah that can we talk about how beautiful Luke's mom was,

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<v Speaker 1>Like she was hot? Oh yeah, well she had the

1:02:30.360 --> 1:02:36.080
<v Speaker 1>white hair, but she looks twenty silver blonde, but like beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing that I like about Luke is his mom.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Luke is just so in over his head

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<v Speaker 1>right now. He has no idea what the hell is

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<v Speaker 1>happening around I just he's that's a lot for me.

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<v Speaker 1>And also can wait this is this has nothing to

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<v Speaker 1>do with like their relationships or anything. This is more

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<v Speaker 1>of like a social etiquette moment. When Tyler was saying

1:02:56.720 --> 1:03:01.360
<v Speaker 1>goodbye to Hannah and her suv. Her suv is waiting

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<v Speaker 1>outside the drivers in the driver's seat parked car, and

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<v Speaker 1>they just start going at it, straddling him while the

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<v Speaker 1>driver is just sitting there, like I hope I get

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<v Speaker 1>five stars, Like I don't know, It's just like what

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<v Speaker 1>was that? I mean, Well, when you don't see someone

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<v Speaker 1>or you know you're not going to see someone for

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<v Speaker 1>a while, I think emotions run high and you just

1:03:22.800 --> 1:03:25.000
<v Speaker 1>get in the moment. And is that why she wraps

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<v Speaker 1>her legs around them every time she can you imagine

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<v Speaker 1>me doing that on like a second day, like in

1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Santa Monica, like outside of a restaurant, like just jumping

1:03:33.800 --> 1:03:37.560
<v Speaker 1>up full straddle. Well, doesn't every girl do it on

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<v Speaker 1>the show? Though? I feel like I've seen a thousand times,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when like it's a group day and like the

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<v Speaker 1>girls are running towards the guy and then they jump

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<v Speaker 1>up and hug him. And I'm fine with the jump

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<v Speaker 1>up and hug. It's the straddling, It's it's really it's

1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:58.320
<v Speaker 1>very distracting intimate. I just can't unsee it. And that

1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:00.440
<v Speaker 1>uber driver was there for every seven way. But the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I bring up tweets his Handah was going along

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<v Speaker 1>with the ride, so to speak. She was tweeting when

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<v Speaker 1>she went on the date with Pete the pilot, and

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<v Speaker 1>she said, yeah he's a cutie. Um, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>she's going to pick him really really yeah, Oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>think she's going either Tyler or Jed right now. What

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<v Speaker 1>about Jed's girlfriend, Well, she's gonna be highly disappointed when

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<v Speaker 1>they come back together. Or who knows, maybe he'll get everything.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what already came out. So it's too late.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he can't go back, right, he has to commit

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<v Speaker 1>his actual story. I know, I don't know what the

1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:40.840
<v Speaker 1>hell he's gonna do. But she was like. She also

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<v Speaker 1>said that Hannah, Hannah was talking about God, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>even talking to more. She's talking about Peter. And she

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<v Speaker 1>said that he was the smoothest landing I've ever experienced.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows his way around the cockpit. Wow, she was

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<v Speaker 1>just going in last night. She was yeah, yeah, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>she was. And then so she was feeling, she was

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<v Speaker 1>feeling herself. So she also said when the Jed date

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<v Speaker 1>was happening, Jed made a toast at one point. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you remember whether it he was like

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<v Speaker 1>to family, the people I love, and to somebody I'm

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<v Speaker 1>starting new love with or something like that. She tweeted,

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<v Speaker 1>good toast, good message, cheers a little shady, little shade, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she tweeted immediately afterwards saying, I wish I

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<v Speaker 1>could tweet the things coming out of my family's mouth

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Lulls z really like that's a big yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not laugh out loud. That's like laugh out loud plural.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody's laughing out loud. Wow. I wonder what they were

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<v Speaker 1>laughing about. I don't know, but it was. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was during Jed's date when she tweeted that. So

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there's some shade being thrown the Jed way. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very curious how this whole thing plays out, because

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<v Speaker 1>now she's bringing four guys to the Fantasy Sweet she

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<v Speaker 1>just can't get enough. She can't get enough. Hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just love it, love it. And to be fair

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<v Speaker 1>to her, we have no idea what happens within the

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<v Speaker 1>Fantasy suite. She could want just more personal off camera

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<v Speaker 1>time with all these guys just playing Devil's advocate. If

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<v Speaker 1>we know by the Windmill story, that is a very

1:06:18.040 --> 1:06:21.040
<v Speaker 1>fair point. Um, so it should be. I just wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to touch on that, and uh, it should be an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting finish. I really hope it's pet. I hope it's Y.

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<v Speaker 1>When he was like doing his toast, I felt was

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<v Speaker 1>very very genuine, very authentic. Gosh, and his mom really

1:06:37.200 --> 1:06:41.640
<v Speaker 1>really likes Hannah to It seems like a very just wholesome,

1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:44.280
<v Speaker 1>happy family. You want to, you know, be a part

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<v Speaker 1>of totally around. And I should better learn that German prayer. Yeah,

1:06:48.040 --> 1:06:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I better get up that quick. Um. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping, obviously, I'm just hoping that it's not Jed

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<v Speaker 1>or Loup right now. I know. I honestly, I'm starting

1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.280
<v Speaker 1>to feel bad for Luke a little bit. Why because

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's just has no idea what's going on.

1:07:06.520 --> 1:07:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I think he's just trying to be somebody else and

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<v Speaker 1>he's I'm not saying, I'm not advocating his ways, but

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<v Speaker 1>he just I don't know why she's keeping around. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what he's doing. Hannah knows it. I mean,

1:07:20.080 --> 1:07:22.640
<v Speaker 1>she knows by now that this guy just needs to

1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:26.000
<v Speaker 1>just go home and reevaluate some things. Yea, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he is still here crazy Town. The best part was

1:07:30.120 --> 1:07:33.680
<v Speaker 1>when his parents were like his whole family was basically

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of convincing Hannah of what a great guy

1:07:36.880 --> 1:07:40.160
<v Speaker 1>he is, and like she's just like, I know, she

1:07:40.200 --> 1:07:42.560
<v Speaker 1>wasn't even saying anything. She's like, she's just doing her

1:07:42.600 --> 1:07:45.520
<v Speaker 1>signature smile to be with a smile, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like, Okay, I'm not gonna say anything not

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<v Speaker 1>nice right now. Yeah, but I'm gonna smile. I'm just

1:07:50.600 --> 1:07:54.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna smile and nod. Um. What about Tyler's tight pants?

1:07:54.480 --> 1:07:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Do we get to talk about that tighter than Hannah

1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:00.760
<v Speaker 1>as I felt like they were. I don't know, it

1:08:00.840 --> 1:08:02.840
<v Speaker 1>was just something I noticed. Yeah, I mean the dude

1:08:02.840 --> 1:08:04.600
<v Speaker 1>works out. He wants to show it all. I mean,

1:08:04.800 --> 1:08:07.600
<v Speaker 1>go for it. Women are going crazier for Tyler. See

1:08:07.680 --> 1:08:10.960
<v Speaker 1>right now, I know he's He's the cats me out,

1:08:11.040 --> 1:08:13.440
<v Speaker 1>as they say in today's world, because we all know

1:08:13.480 --> 1:08:17.360
<v Speaker 1>the kids are saying that, aren't they. Yes, Um, well

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<v Speaker 1>that should do it right there. For our episode of

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<v Speaker 1>help by Second Dating this week, Sadie Murray, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for joining us. You were I had a

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<v Speaker 1>blast two. This is a really great episode and you

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<v Speaker 1>will have to come back when the whole cruise here,

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa dean um and make sure it's not a phoner.

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<v Speaker 1>So when if when, when you come back on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>no hot yoga that week, No hot yoga, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will I will physically bring the champagne this time. That's etiquette,

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<v Speaker 1>that's nice etiquete. I gotta bring something. I know Vanessa

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<v Speaker 1>phones in, so we're going to make sure that she

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<v Speaker 1>plans ahead and has the last champagne. UM. And a

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<v Speaker 1>big thank you to Mike al Meyer who is the

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<v Speaker 1>founder and director of what was that again? Beaumont Etiquette,

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<v Speaker 1>where she teaches etiquette all around the world. You can

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<v Speaker 1>go check out uh that website beaumont etiquette dot com

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<v Speaker 1>to find out more about Mica. I keep saying Murray

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<v Speaker 1>because your last name is Mary Micayer. Lots of ms.

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