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Speaker 2: when I can't figure out something and then you have

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Speaker 2: an aha moment, and I kind of had.

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Speaker 1: One over the last two weeks.

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Speaker 2: So for years, the last several years, I could not

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Speaker 2: figure out how Russell Wilson went from elite to maybe

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Speaker 2: just a really good backup with no major injury, and

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Speaker 2: he wasn't that old and I kept saying it made

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was like literally a two year topic.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand it. I what great, really good? Is

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Speaker 2: he a backup? But and then I watched Tua the

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Speaker 2: last two weeks and I went, wait, two is about

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Speaker 2: his size?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Wait?

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Speaker 2: And then I watched Kyler Murray Arizona doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: play him. And I've come to the conclusion that smaller

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks could not withstand justin Herbert's career, and that those

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Speaker 2: hits are more punitive. And if you watch Tua last

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Speaker 2: on Monday Night, he is afraid to get hit. That's

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Speaker 2: not disputable. That's been said by Gruden, multiple people out there.

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Speaker 2: Bruce Arians like he didn't want to get hit. Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 2: I was told by an NFL guy his rookie year

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Speaker 2: who sacked him. He's like, bro, he I know when

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Speaker 2: somebody scared when I hit them. And Russell Wilson didn't

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Speaker 2: get hit a lot, but he got hit enough. And

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Speaker 2: so I watched Tua go from Pro Bowl to good too.

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Speaker 2: Can't play a lick, And it sort of unraveled the

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Speaker 2: mystery of Russell Wilson, which is size matters at quarterback

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Speaker 2: smaller quarterbacks age overnight. If they lose elusiveness, if they

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Speaker 2: get hit too many times, they don't withstand the punishment,

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Speaker 2: And frankly, I mean, ask yourself if you got hit

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Speaker 2: how many hits with like Justin Herbert six six. I

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Speaker 2: had dinner with their GM, the Chargers last week. He goes,

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Speaker 2: I think he's six seven. Actually, you guys are short.

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Speaker 2: Chain six seven's an NBA small forward, right, and he's

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Speaker 2: two thirty eight, So I guess I guess My point was.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the Tua story is the reality of

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Speaker 1: First of all, I hope the Chargers general manager knows

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Speaker 1: how tall Justin Herbert is. I think he's Sevenely, you

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Speaker 1: should know if anyone in the world you know exactly

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Speaker 1: how tall Justin Herbert is, it's the Chargers general manager. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I saw you ask Brady on the show about the

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Speaker 1: hype thing for quarterbacks, and I thought he gave a

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Speaker 1: great answer. There are outliers, but that doesn't disprove the rule. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like Kurt Warner succeeded and he was a grocery

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Speaker 1: store backer that doesn't mean you should go to your

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Speaker 1: shop right to find the next great quarterback, right, Like

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Speaker 1: Drew Brees was six feet tall. He's six feet tall,

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Speaker 1: and he got better as his career went on, and

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Speaker 1: he was unbelievable. But he's also like one of the

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Speaker 1: any sense, like is he throwing from his tiptoes? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: totally reasonable. The only thing I would say about Tua is, man,

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Speaker 1: two of the next week. It felt cruel and reckless

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Speaker 1: and like, you know, like, but then they can't win

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Speaker 1: and so what do you do with that guy? You

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Speaker 1: probably tell him, hey man, priority number one, don't get

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Speaker 1: a concussion, don't get hit well. So then you combine

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Speaker 1: and you get what we saw the other night. More

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Speaker 1: I said, what is your career over? Yes? Right, like

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Speaker 1: expensive and too accomplished, and he's made too much money

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Speaker 1: and he's like too young. Is he gonna play for

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Speaker 1: six million bucks to be someone's to be Patrick Mahomes's

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Speaker 1: backup next year, Like that would shock me in a

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Speaker 1: strange way. Not that it would be next year because

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Speaker 1: of what his contract, but two years from now is

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Speaker 2: He got paid, he got his guaranteed money, he sent

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Speaker 2: good life, and he's probably best served to not play

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Speaker 1: In a sense, it played.

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Speaker 2: Out not beautifully, but it played out or ironically the

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Speaker 2: way it should have. He made a Pro Bowl, he

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Speaker 2: got paid, there were concussions, he got better, he got

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Speaker 2: bad quickly, and it's probably time to leave now, not

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Speaker 2: stay for four years like most guys could drag it on.

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Speaker 2: In a way, it all played out. Won a Natty,

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Speaker 2: drafted first round, made a Pro Bowl, got paid, concussion

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Speaker 2: was always probably going to be his career. Right Like ye,

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Speaker 2: once he had the first couple concussions, you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's like a big man in the NBA getting injured.

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Speaker 2: They'll go eleven years not getting injured. That's just your

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Speaker 2: body's not meant to be seven to three, right, just not.

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine, just as you mentioned the dinner with

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Speaker 1: the Chargers GM, I would have loved to know next

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Speaker 1: time you have dinner with him, I'll fly out because

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert's probably my favorite non Caleb Williams player in football.

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Speaker 1: I love watching Justin Herbert play football, have for forever.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine being in that draft room being like, God,

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Speaker 1: I hope the doll take Tua over Herbert. Like what

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Speaker 1: an insane decision. When you're talking, you're talking about like height,

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Speaker 1: Like one guy looks like Tua, the other guy looks

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Speaker 1: like Justin Herbert, and you're like, no, I'm going Tua.

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Speaker 2: I just think it's a mind so I have insight

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Speaker 2: to that. Tom Telesco's a friend.

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Speaker 1: I would love to I would love to hear as

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Speaker 2: Okay, Tom liked both. Tom was leaning Tua because he

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Speaker 2: thought he thought Herbert was mechanical. He was a little stiff. Yeah, Tom,

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Speaker 2: Tom goes I'm going to the Rose Bowl. Oregon's taking

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Speaker 2: former NFL player came back and was their decordinator. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so he went and watched him, and I said, what

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Speaker 2: did you think? And he's like, yeah, you gotta see

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Speaker 2: Herbert in person. First of all, he's way bigger in person.

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Speaker 2: And Tom said, Secondly, he is really really athletic.

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Speaker 2: Tom came to the conclusion that Mario Christobal did not

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Speaker 2: very super conservative offense. Ohio State did this with c J.

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Speaker 2: They never let him run and then he played Georgie

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Speaker 1: Stroud run and he was running all over and You're like,

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Speaker 2: Justin, Herbert was a very protect justin we don't have

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Speaker 2: And then then you get to play Wisconsin and you're like, okay, kid,

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Speaker 2: do your magic. And Tom said, you watched it and went, oh, okay,

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Speaker 2: this is a different version of the guy. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, John Snyder feels this way to Seahawk GM,

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Speaker 2: you got to go to the games you just there's

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Speaker 2: certain things you got to see. You got to be

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Speaker 1: They interact with teammates, do they hang their head?

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Speaker 2: I watched bone Nicks, so I went. I had a

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Speaker 1: It wasn't strange. It wasn't strange. You're Colin Cowherd. I

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Speaker 1: didn't think you were gonna be in section three forty six, Like,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, sorry, okay, so I don't know how, but

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Speaker 1: I got a sideline pass and then my ticket was

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Speaker 1: I don't know how it happened. I have an idea,

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Speaker 2: So he's cut Bow's cut. When you see him like

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Speaker 2: he is, like, it reminded me of d Wade's body.

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Speaker 2: You're like, that guy lives in a gym. The second

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was a coach park turn player, and

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Speaker 2: Bon Nix is and I was just like, oh wow, okay,

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Speaker 2: that's the first round. So I knew Sean Payton at

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Speaker 2: the time, and I said, Sean, let me tell you

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Speaker 2: a story about Bonix. I'm like, that guy's impressive in person.

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Speaker 2: And Sean, you know, he loved him just before he

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Speaker 2: even saw him on film, and you know his personality.

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Speaker 1: The dad was a coach.

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Speaker 2: But I guess the whole point being is when you

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Speaker 2: see Herbert in person, or you see some of these

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks in person, to hear the ball, to see the

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Speaker 2: interaction it's different than you and I. That's why I

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Speaker 2: go to two or three college games a year. I

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Speaker 2: want to see people in person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's I mean, that's that's what

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Speaker 2: Somebody said, do you think about leaving or something? Do

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Speaker 1: Right, Because I've seen some people think, oh, he doesn't

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Speaker 2: I'm not respected. We have no wide receivers that can

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Speaker 2: Would have the number one pick, you trade Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 2: four first round picks unreasonable? No?

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Speaker 1: You you mentioned Nick again, and obviously he's a connective

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Speaker 1: tissue between the two of us. But maybe my favorite

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Speaker 1: Nick take ever was he says is that he said

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Speaker 1: I would trade for Aaron Rodgers. And I know it's

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Speaker 1: against league rules because it's capped on the number of

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Speaker 1: picks you could say, but I would trade Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: and the trade would be, you can have all of

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Speaker 1: the Team's If he's on my team for nine years,

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Speaker 1: it's nine first round picks. If he's on my team

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Speaker 1: for six years, it's six first round That is a

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Speaker 2: Well, and it's like, what's funny is so the Packers

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Speaker 2: three and Out podcast. Let's start with Denver thirty four

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Speaker 2: twenty six over green Bay. Not only a loss for

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Speaker 2: green Bay, Christian Watson he had been so important.

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Speaker 1: The get back.

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Speaker 2: He's a great deep threat, big target. Hurt looked ugly.

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Speaker 2: Micah Parsons kind of a non contact injury looked ugly.

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Speaker 2: You could say it right now if Mike and Christian

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Speaker 2: Watson are out. They've been such a part over the

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Speaker 2: last month of the surge by the Packers offense, at

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Speaker 2: least Christian Watson. Also, we'll get to it. Bow Nicks

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Speaker 2: had a.

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Speaker 1: Really good Dan.

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Speaker 2: I've got thoughts on that, but you know, we keep

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Speaker 2: saying with the Bears, prove it to us. But this

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Speaker 2: was really a prove it to us game for Denver.

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Speaker 2: I thought bow Nicks was really sharp. He and Courtland

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Speaker 2: Sudden are a great tandem. Consistent pass rush, boon Nick's clever,

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Speaker 2: deceptive of moving constantly. You know, John, We've said this before.

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Speaker 2: It's so important for a young quarterback to get the

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Speaker 2: right coach. It feels like bo Nicks over the last

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks, I just I'm watching him make play

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Speaker 2: after play, rolling right, and I mean, clever stuff, last second,

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Speaker 2: finding the guy. His accuracy has gotten better. I was

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Speaker 2: kind of blown away by I mean today, I think

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Speaker 2: bon Knicks four touchdowns, no picks, four different receivers, three

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Speaker 2: hundred yards, twenty two to thirty one. And this defense

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Speaker 2: is one we've talked about in green Bay for weeks.

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Speaker 3: He probably had some games in Oregon that would match

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Speaker 3: this statistically, but this had to be the best game

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Speaker 3: I've ever seen him play. He was remarkable. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the accuracy over the middle, down the sideline, on the run,

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Speaker 3: the playmaking. It was twenty three to fourteen, and it

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Speaker 3: felt like Green Bay was kind of had a stranglehold

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Speaker 3: on him. They got to pick, then both threw a touchdown.

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Speaker 3: Then they got a couple injuries and on that interception,

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Speaker 3: what happened was Christian Watson got injured. Then they score,

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Speaker 3: Then Michaeh Parsons gets injured, chasing Bo Nicks, who was

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Speaker 3: excellent with his feet today. This was what we said

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Speaker 3: early in the season, Sean, let him move around a

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Speaker 3: little bit, let him move around or Bo just move around.

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Speaker 3: And today you know, obviously when Micah goes out, that

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Speaker 3: has to be a huge blow. But that defense still

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Speaker 3: from a speed standpoint, from a defensive back standpoint, is excellent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I listen, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sure in high school he's a huge recruit, but that's

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Speaker 3: as good of a game when you factor in the

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Speaker 3: opponent the guy's ever had in his life, don't you think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I think, I mean he generally rolls right Sean

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Speaker 2: Payton again, rolls him to his favorite side, whether it's

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Speaker 2: ad libbed or design. But what I like about him,

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Speaker 2: he's very deceptive, Like he won't John Hill roll right

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Speaker 2: and you'll think he's gonna run it and then he'll

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Speaker 2: dump it off. He's got Now I'm not comping him

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Speaker 2: to Patrick Mahomes, but he's got a little bit of

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Speaker 2: that late cognitive ability at the very last second to

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Speaker 2: go from running to throwing or throwing the running. He's

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Speaker 2: really quick upstairs and that's like a skill. Mahomes was

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Speaker 2: one of the first I ever saw and like, you know,

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Speaker 2: just be able to change what he was doing very

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Speaker 2: quickly and be accurate. So I think there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of questions on bow Nicks, and certainly the roster helps,

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Speaker 2: but I thought it was a prove it moment, and

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Speaker 2: I thought green Bay. Green Bay had two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty yards in the first half. They came out with

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Speaker 2: a very solid game plan. But Denver, again, second half team.

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Speaker 2: You know, second half's the coaching half, right, first half,

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Speaker 2: and the second half is also kind of the roster half,

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Speaker 2: because how much depth do you have.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This was a game I thought green Bay would win close.

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Speaker 2: When it was over, I was like, yeah, Denver is

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Speaker 2: the better team. And again, I'm not discounting the injuries,

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Speaker 2: but I thought Denver answered the bell.

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Speaker 3: I love Denver in this spot simply because that game

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Speaker 3: last week for both teams, Chicago and Green Bay was

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Speaker 3: one of those where they probably even got the ice

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Speaker 3: tub for a couple of days clearly Chicago was unfazed.

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Speaker 3: I mean they obliterated, you know, Cleveland, but this game

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Speaker 3: on the road, you know, then green Bay has to

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Speaker 3: go on the road again. I thought it'd be a

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Speaker 3: little bit of a look pass spot, but they didn't.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they came out fast, they were flying around.

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Speaker 3: I do think that game really flipped though on that

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Speaker 3: interception over the middle to Christian Watson, and then because

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Speaker 3: they were in trouble, let's face it. I mean green

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Speaker 3: Bay that they were unfazed by last week. They were fresh,

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Speaker 3: they were flying around. They did not sack bo Nicks

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Speaker 3: all game. Now, he made some plays with his legs

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Speaker 3: to get away. Even even the play Parsons was hurt

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Speaker 3: on his mobility. I think the play you're referencing on

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Speaker 3: the Patrick Mahomes scrambled.

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Speaker 1: To his right.

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Speaker 3: He puts it right between two defenders, but he only

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Speaker 3: had what probably a foot worth of worth of area

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Speaker 3: to fit it through. There's no question on Denver's defense

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Speaker 3: right there on the short list, right there with Houston.

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Speaker 3: Elite defense is best in the league in a league

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Speaker 3: that doesn't have great defenses anymore. You know, the Rams

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Speaker 3: are an excellent team. Their defense secondary is a major

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Speaker 3: question mark right Denver's defensive super Bowl of caliber. It

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Speaker 3: just came down to, is a quarterback could enough. We

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Speaker 3: know their coaches, we know their coaching staff is and

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Speaker 3: if he plays, if he plays like that, And now

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Speaker 3: with New England losing, you go to Denver. I mean

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Speaker 3: how many times you'll Belichick their rival early on was

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Speaker 3: the Shanahan Denver teams going to Denver, and even they

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Speaker 3: lost there late with Peyton Manning, it's hard to go

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Speaker 3: there and win, you know that, the elevation, the crowd,

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Speaker 3: it's kind of got a collegiate feel to it. So

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Speaker 3: if they can get home field, obviously there will be

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Speaker 3: a lot of pressure on bow next. But look at

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Speaker 3: some of the quarterbacks, I mean, look at some of

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Speaker 3: the teams in the AFC, A lot of question marks.

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Speaker 3: I think you've got to be pretty really excited. If

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Speaker 3: you're a Denver Bronco fan, go, if we can get

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Speaker 3: this thing going through Denver with our defense, we don't

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Speaker 3: even need Bo to do that. I mean that was

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, like young l Way like before,

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Speaker 3: you're throwing four touchdowns against an elite defense. You can't

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Speaker 3: ask for that. But if he can just give you

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Speaker 3: a couple and they can run the ball and play defense.

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Speaker 3: You know they can win the AFC for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had all sorts of He had an

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Speaker 2: over the top, beautiful thrown to Sutton that one of

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Speaker 2: the goal line that was low, that was a perfect pass.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't make the highlight reel. It was a great pass.

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Speaker 2: Then he finds Franklin. He just did a lot of

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Speaker 2: different things today. If you look at the dexterity of

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Speaker 2: bon Nicks and his ability to throw it short, red zone,

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Speaker 2: deep timing, move coachability, durability. He takes no sacks. I

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Speaker 2: feel terrible for Green Bay because I really felt you

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Speaker 2: could make an argument they were the most complete team.

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Speaker 2: But I mean the Micah Parson's injury. Even when he

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Speaker 2: doesn't get SATs sacks, Mike is really disruptive. He stands

644
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: out on television. He's always have to double team him,

645
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: don't have an option. And I also I think Christian

646
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: Watson gives them a bona fide big body. You got

647
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: to put a big corner on him. You Watson's just

648
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: a straight down the field burner. And by the way,

649
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: I thought he was going to catch that ball that

650
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 2: Patrick Artans intercepted and then caught his arm and pulled

651
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: it back. He has been injury prone a little bit.

652
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: But if those two guys are out, it is not

653
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: the same football team. I know that most players are

654
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 2: not even worth a point, but Watson. I think the

655
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: fear of getting beat deep with Watson is significant for

656
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 2: their offense. He gives them a component, a deep threat

657
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: that they don't have anybody of that size and speed

658
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: deep down the field.

659
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: So really bad day for green Bay.

660
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but that's a crippling

661
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 3: day for green Bay because look at the NFC Seattle one,

662
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 3: LA one, Chicago one, the Niners one.

663
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: You could look up.

664
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 3: I mean, all of a sudden, you have these injuries,

665
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 3: you come limping into the Chicago game. In Chicago, you

666
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: lose that. I mean you could be looking at the

667
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 3: seventh seed. That's how quick it could flip. Because what

668
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: was Seattle in the rams. One of them's gonna have ten,

669
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 3: the other one's gonna have eleven by the end of

670
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: the next week, right because they play each other. The

671
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 3: forty nine ers get Philip Rivers. So all of a sudden,

672
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 3: you look like you might only get to ten wins.

673
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 3: Their next two games are the Bears. The Ravens really

674
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 3: looked like they had a little more life today. They

675
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: could lose the next couple of games. And then when

676
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: you factor in Parsons, you know it's knock on Wood.

677
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: But if he's out for the season, like you just

678
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: no longer the same devastating defense.

679
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 2: All right, LA Chargers sixteen Kansas City thirteen. Mahomes ugly season,

680
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: ugly injury. He'll have to have an MRII before we

681
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: get into Kansas City. I mean, this is between they

682
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: beat the Chiefs and they beat the Eagles. They are

683
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: using backup offensive tackles at one point on a third

684
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: string running back. They lost to Bosa. Right quarterback's been

685
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 2: hit more than any other quarterback. This is a Yet

686
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 2: they have ten plus wins. They'll finish with more wins.

687
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: What the Chargers are doing. Kansas City's now six and eight.

688
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: The Chargers have a decimated offensive line. They're ten and

689
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: four in a division with Sean Payton, Andy Reid. It's

690
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: a remarkable job of coaching. Derwin James had to pick

691
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: to seal it. But you know, Kansas City got knocked out.

692
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: Of the playoffs.

693
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: Obviously, I mean Patrick Mahomes, Mri, you cross your fingers

694
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: on that. But as I watched him walk off the

695
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: field and Gardner Minshew come in the fact the line

696
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: today was Chiefs favored by four and a half, I

697
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: think everybody we just couldn't believe what we were watching here,

698
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: because Brady made the playoffs every year. He was upright

699
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: in New England. Kansas City was not a good team.

700
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: They couldn't get people off the field. Chris Jones isn't

701
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: the same player. They struggled to have long, successful drives.

702
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: I think it's one of those things. This has not

703
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: been a great football team. I mean, like a decisive

704
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: football team all season long. And I think Broncos Chargers

705
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: finishing one two in this division feels right. I just

706
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 2: feel like I have more players and better situational football.

707
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 2: The Chiefs were known as a great red zone situational team.

708
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: They've been a bad situational team all year.

709
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: Well.

710
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 3: The other thing is, and clearly he was banged up before,

711
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 3: even before he heard his knees. Mahomes hasn't quite been

712
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 3: the same this season. He hasn't Herbert's a better player.

713
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: Herbert was a better player.

714
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 1: Today, you know, no question.

715
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: I mean, you watch Josh Allen play today, He's in

716
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 3: a different universe than Patrick.

717
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: Mahomes right now.

718
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 3: So part of their superpower early on in the run

719
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: was they had the best player in the league in

720
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. Well, he hasn't really been that really, you

721
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: would say, over the last three years. During the season

722
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 3: now in the playoffs, he's flipped in today. I mean,

723
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: he just kind of looks like a you know, better

724
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,439
Speaker 3: than a marginal player, but he's just he's not good

725
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: enough to take an average team above. And like you said, defensively,

726
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 3: they're not as good. And listen, i mean they lost

727
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: some crazy games earlier that they won last year, and

728
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: they found themselves behind the eight ball, and clearly they're

729
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 3: just you know, you're not going to score many points

730
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: when it's I don't know what the what was it

731
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: have been degrees? Ten degrees, Daniel Jeremiah saying the field

732
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 3: fell like concrete. You knew that was gonna be a

733
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: game in the teens, Jim Harbaugh has been dreaming about

734
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: playing games in the teams since he was a teenager.

735
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: Like that's like, here's the other thing. Jim Harbaugh's an

736
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: elite coach, Like we've known that for two decades now,

737
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: Like he's he's big time. And one thing he always does,

738
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: whether it's Fangio, whether it's you know, the guys throughout

739
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 3: his time in Michigan to whether it's now mentor who

740
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 3: came with him from Michigan, their defense is always really good,

741
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: you know, so defensively, they just ugly the game. And

742
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 3: Herbert I think he's really kind of earned the Harbaugh

743
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: stamp of a like that. The toughness these last couple

744
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: of weeks, like holy shit, I mean, geez lo we

745
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 3: The other thing is too, like they draft this guy

746
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: in the first round, that they've been lucky that this

747
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: late round pick Videll has been good, but they need

748
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: Hampton to be solid. He had some big runs today

749
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: and that they need him. I think it's gonna be hard,

750
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 3: depending on the matchup, for them to win a playoff

751
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: game just because they are I mean, even Keenan Allen,

752
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 3: Like they didn't play it great. They had some drops

753
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: that they had some plays that went against them, but

754
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 3: uh yeah, I mean I just think this is a

755
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 3: classic Jim harbop. You give a random coach in the

756
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: NFL this roster. What do they win six games? You know,

757
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: I mean they've been missing them tackles, their quarterbacks getting crushed.

758
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say.

759
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: They're they're Trey Harris, Lad McConkie, Trey Harris. I went

760
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: to dinner with their GM and Chargers GM last week

761
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: and he said, Jim loves Trey Harris. He's really emerging

762
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 2: as a player, he said, I don't think he's dropped

763
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: the ball in practice all year. So mconkie, Harris, Quinton Johnson,

764
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: they're tight ends are okay, they're they're kind of you

765
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: know what I mean, they're kind of you know, it's

766
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: it's they're kind of making it work offensively. But they

767
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: have a way to win, and it's Dick or the kicker,

768
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: play good defense, Herbert run to pick up first downs.

769
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 2: I will say, I believe I wrote this down fourteen

770
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: of mahomes sixteen completions, seven to Kelsey who's probably retiring,

771
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: and seven to Rashi Rice, who I don't trust to

772
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: stay healthy or you know, I just don't trust him yet.

773
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: I think he is talented, but I think it's more

774
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 2: of a rebuild than a retool. And my take is

775
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: everybody keeps saying, well, there's Reid and Mahomes this division,

776
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: now Denver and the Chargers. If the Chargers bring their

777
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: offensive tackles back, those are elite teams. So and I

778
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: look at the Denver's roster right now, I think it's

779
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: much deeper. Look at the wide are receiving. Even guys

780
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: like Franklin who get forgotten had a touchdown catch today.

781
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: I think they got to retool oer offensive line. Carl

782
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: Loftis is probably a bit overpaid. He's a big cap

783
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: hit next year. Chris Jones isn't the same player. I mean,

784
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: the good news for them they're going to draft in

785
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: the middle of the rounds now in which they haven't

786
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: done for seven or eight years. They need to hit

787
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: on three or four draft picks.

788
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: Well, I think for the first time in a long time,

789
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 3: they're not going to be drafting thirty two. They're better

790
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: off now losing out and drafting twelfth because it's not

791
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: just twelfth or thirteenth, it's then you draft fortieth. And

792
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: they have not had that luxury because they've been.

793
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: In the Super Bowl every year.

794
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: So I listen, Travis kelt is probably gonna retire, right

795
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 3: he retires, I think I was looking at Chris Jones

796
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: doing podcasts up this week. You're probably trading him this

797
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: offseason because you're not gonna extend him again. His cap

798
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: hit is massive. He would still have value, you know,

799
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 3: for the teams that have some cap space. I would

800
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: imagine look at Joe Tooney when they traded him to

801
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: the Bears. Andy Reid said, he's like one of my

802
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 3: favorite players I've ever coached. It's the crappy part of

803
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: the business. When you got some guys making a lot

804
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,439
Speaker 3: of money. We couldn't keep him financially. So you got

805
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: Simmons who's on injury reserve because he's injured. You hit

806
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: on some draft picks, you know, you try to finagle

807
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: the cap, get some guys to try to come with Mahomes.

808
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 3: We'll see the Mahomes injury and try to retool it,

809
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: but you might be two years away from being back

810
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 3: to really good. Then you know next year. This is

811
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: Denver's got a little window right now, this year and

812
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 3: next year because they got this cheap quarterback and they've

813
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: hit on a bunch of defensive players. I mean, Hufunga

814
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: is as good as any player that Kansas City has

815
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 3: on their day and he's just a free agent that

816
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 3: they added to one of the best defenses.

817
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 2: It's been confirmed torn ACL for Patrick Mahomes, so that's

818
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: possibly out next year. I mean, I always say with

819
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 2: young athletes, they always recover faster than you think. And

820
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: you're talking to best. The Hunt family doesn't go cheap.

821
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 2: It'll be the best doctors in the world. You think

822
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: he's out next year, and he's he come back somewhere

823
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: trade deadline eight, game eight, game nine, game ten.

824
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 3: Well, when you say young athletes, I mean he's been

825
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: around a little. You know, he's not twenty four. I

826
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 3: mean he's thirty. A lot of wear and tearor on

827
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: those legs. You just to me, I think we kind

828
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: of got jaded by Adrian Peterson when he came back

829
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 3: in like two months, and you see guys randomly come

830
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: back in eight nine months. This guy's kind of the

831
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 3: key to the franchise, right, I think I think you

832
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 3: treat this a little different than you do most players.

833
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 3: Does this impact you know, you know Kelsey who most

834
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 3: of us assume he's going to retire or to just

835
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: kind of lock that in. You just never you know,

836
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: Coach Reads getting up there in age late sixties at

837
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:08,959
Speaker 3: this point in time, what does he have to prove?

838
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: I you know, I think just brings in a lot

839
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: of question marks with a lot of different things. Obviously

840
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,760
Speaker 3: he was he's been banged up, and that's a devastating injury.

841
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: I mean it really is, especially late, you know, December fourteenth,

842
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 3: on the day you get knocked out of the playoffs.

843
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: I would assume, you know, based on this injury, that

844
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: we've come a long way, that he'd be ready to go,

845
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 3: you know, early on the season. But aren't you a

846
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: little more careful with this individual than you would be

847
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: with ninety nine percent of other players in the league.

848
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: And you've had so much equity built into the franchise

849
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 2: and the fan base, right Like, I think you play

850
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 2: it cautious. You know, you don't rush this stuff back.

851
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: You've built in built up so much credibility with your fans.

852
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: I mean, nobody's it's like almost you know, when Jordan

853
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 2: left and came back, you know it just like it's

854
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: like you never in baseball for a couple of years,

855
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: nobody was giving their season tickets up right, Like It's

856
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 2: just I think I think Kansas City, Andy's always been

857
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: a good early season September coach. If he comes back

858
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: Week seven to eight, I'm not going to speculate too much.

859
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: They'll be fine. They just have to hit on some

860
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: draft picks. And I think I think it was just

861
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 2: sort of the lost year. You hear about economy sometimes

862
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: a last decade, a lost year. It just felt like

863
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: everybody was tired, everybody was fatigued. They lacked a little

864
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: energy consistency. They started this season without Rashi Rice. You know,

865
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: Worthy gets banged up, left Simmons, Josh Simmons left tackle,

866
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: couldn't get it right, not available, Joe Tooney had to

867
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: move off him, goes to the Bears. This just didn't

868
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: feel right from the very beginning.

869
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 3: You know, I listen, I know Andy and Veitch, and

870
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,439
Speaker 3: I know they don't think like this. But if he's

871
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: not able to play till let's say late in the season,

872
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 3: what if you could kind of do next year as

873
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: a reset year. You know, you end up drafting thirteen

874
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: fourteenth this year and he's not ready, and maybe he

875
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 3: gets a red shirt almost next year and you kind

876
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: of bottom out, get to retool the roster. So you're

877
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: almost looking ahead to twenty twenty seven, maybe you get

878
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: like the six pick. Now, he's probably too good of

879
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: a coach to be that crappy, even if they had

880
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: a garnerment. But maybe you're just drafting tenth again back

881
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: to back years of good drafts and kind of get

882
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: to siphon out some of these older, high priced guys.

883
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 1: You get him back.

884
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 3: Fully healthy in twenty seven. Again, he would fall out

885
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 3: of his chair. He doesn't, you know, they don't think

886
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: like that. But like he saw this year, they were

887
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 3: like a car out of gas and you could feel

888
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: it when you watch it. And now this injury, I

889
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,279
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890
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes. How much have they depended on him to

891
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: scramble around and hiss he's taken the last couple of

892
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,400
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893
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 3: games Bornerline extra season over the last five years. So yeah,

894
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,080
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895
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,480
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896
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,719
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897
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,040
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898
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 3: it's just the wear and tear or the season these

899
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,040
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900
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,439
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901
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902
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,560
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903
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,239
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904
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: Walk into the blue tanner to the locker room.

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924
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,239
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925
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: this is an interesting one because I say I was

926
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: gonna bet this game. I like New England. They just

927
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 2: dominate the first half. This is the fourth time Josh

928
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: Allen is four and oh. I'm not sure if any

929
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: other quarterbacks ever done in this the history of the

930
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: league when he has to score thirty points to win.

931
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 2: He's four to oh. He had a sensational second half.

932
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: But the two things my two takeaways on this game

933
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: is I've been saying this all year, Rabel, Josh McDaniel.

934
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: When you have an elite coach and then a top

935
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: two or three coordinator either side of the ball, that

936
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: is that's a handful. Like right now Shanahan, Robert Sala,

937
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: you have an elite coach and a top two or

938
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,680
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939
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: the best offensive coordinator, one of the top two in

940
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 2: the league. And then Vrabel is they were great on script, great,

941
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: great game plan, but in the end, you can't stop

942
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. But Buffalo, like Kansas City, Great co selp

943
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: s out on.

944
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: My show this week.

945
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: It's hard to watch their defense and go, oh, bunch

946
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: of exceptional players.

947
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: It's just okay.

948
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: They have James Cook, Josh Allen, Ken Caid. I mean,

949
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: this is I think how they have to win. They

950
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: have to win shootouts, which considering Sean McDermott supposed to

951
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 2: be the defensive guru, they're just not very good defensively.

952
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

953
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: I mean I talked to a buddy in the league

954
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: this week and he's advanced them, and he said, one

955
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 3: issue they have is they're not very big, so you

956
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,240
Speaker 3: can really lean on them, and I mean New England

957
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: was rushing all over them. I think one mistake New

958
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: England made in this game is the last couple drives

959
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 3: they had a three and out and obviously the four

960
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 3: and out turnover on downs, they only ran the ball

961
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 3: one of those seven plays, and they hit multiple big

962
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 3: plays in the run, obviously with Henderson, and they kind

963
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 3: of tried to have Drake May turn into Josh Allen

964
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: and it kind of bit him. And I thought that

965
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 3: they could have leaned on Buffalo a little bit that

966
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: you had time out, you had time and they got

967
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 3: a little pass happy those last couple drives. And listen,

968
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's trying to match Josh or

969
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 3: you know, just thinking that Drake's had a great season.

970
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: He can make plays and their offense just sputtered at

971
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 3: the wrong time. But it doesn't it feel like I'm

972
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 3: like you, I don't care that much about awards, you know,

973
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 3: MVP Coach of the Year, so it's pretty clear who

974
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: the best guys are, whether they get the award or not.

975
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: It does feel a little bit like Michael Jordan in

976
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: the NBA.

977
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 3: It's like, you give the MVP to someone else if

978
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 3: you want this year. But Josh Allen's the best player

979
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 3: in the league, you know, I oh, yeah.

980
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: You know.

981
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: It's like I see all these the odds and maybe

982
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 3: they'll end up changing these last couple of weeks, Like

983
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 3: Jordan Love was near the top, and listen, Jordan Love's solid,

984
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 3: but he's not Josh Allen, not even close, right, And

985
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: this year it feels like, especially down the stretch, I mean,

986
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: it's twenty one nothing on the road. I don't know

987
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 3: about you, but you just even if Josh is remarkable

988
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 3: It's like, how are they gonna win that game? This

989
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: defense is getting shredded. And then they they had a

990
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: stretch where they had five straight drives, five straight touchdowns.

991
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: I mean they're done twenty.

992
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: One to three. All of a sudden, they have, you know,

993
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: a commanding lead. So it was these last month for

994
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: Josh Allen is like one of the defining moments of

995
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 3: his career. He's just he's the franchise was teetering on

996
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: like they might miss the playoffs, and he said, not

997
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 3: so fast, guys, I'll take care of it and listen,

998
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: Cook Kinkate Knox, Knox made some big plays, Shakier had

999
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 3: some big plays. They're receivers and the rapport they have

1000
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: with Josh in these freezing cold games, it's not like

1001
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 3: they're playing you watch Golf and Stafford today. I mean,

1002
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 3: what's it inside Sofi Stadium? Seventy two degrees is perfect?

1003
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: You know you're you're hot these games. He's playing down

1004
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: the stretch of the season in inclement weather. He looks

1005
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: I don't remember like peak Lway in the mid eighties,

1006
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 3: but it has to look something like this does. And

1007
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 3: he's even a better runner.

1008
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 2: And I think New England. The second half kind of

1009
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 2: confirmed it. Trevon Henderson had a huge game, but I

1010
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: did think the second half confirmed And this is something

1011
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: I think we both said multiple times. They're still kind

1012
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: of john in a small rebuild. It's a good roster.

1013
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 2: They don't have a number one receiver, they had their

1014
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: banged up on their offensive line, they have missing two starters.

1015
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: I think they need I don't. I think athletically on

1016
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: defense that Christian Gonzalez is great, but they could probably

1017
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: use another edge rusher, like I think New England's four

1018
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 2: to five draft picks and a free agent signing away

1019
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: from being like a Denver or a rams So. And

1020
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: I think in the second half you're like, there's not

1021
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 2: a lot of juice. There was a couple of great

1022
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: catches today by Booty, but there's not a lot of

1023
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: juice in that receiving corps. And you solve that in

1024
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 2: the offseason, you go out and draft somebody high. But

1025
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: I think, listen, New England has overachieved by any metric.

1026
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: But I thought when I watched the second half, I'm

1027
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: like MVP of the league, a team that still needs

1028
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: about four to five players to be to be like

1029
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: a number one seed and feel like Denver, where you

1030
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 2: may have six seven eight Pro bowlers, I don't think

1031
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: New England has five.

1032
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 3: Well, I agree, I mean today was their opportunity to

1033
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 3: win the division. I mean this was and to be

1034
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 3: up twenty one nothing, to be up twenty one three,

1035
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 3: to be at home, the place going nuts, you get

1036
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 3: two runs, even the second run, right he had taken

1037
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 3: retaken the lead, the Bills did, and they'd come storming back.

1038
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: And then and then Henderson just makes a play that

1039
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: he probably would make it high school. I mean that

1040
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: was remarkable. I mean the play was stuffed him run around,

1041
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: he'd go.

1042
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's haid.

1043
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 3: He's been huge for them the second half of the season.

1044
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: I think they said today that he had ties to

1045
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 3: the rookie record for four rushes, four rushing touchdowns for

1046
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: over fifty yards, ties like Saquon Barkley in his rookie season.

1047
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 3: So I that's a that's a loss if you're a

1048
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 3: New England that I don't want to say like ruin

1049
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: your season, because like you said, I mean how they

1050
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: have been. It's not just last year they were bad.

1051
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 3: The last couple of years of Belichick. They've been bad

1052
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 3: for a while, but this was an opportunity to kind

1053
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: of end this run for Buffalo. Now they still got

1054
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 3: the Jets and we'll see how the Dolphins look tomorrow

1055
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: to end the season. But next week at the Ravens,

1056
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 3: Buffalo's got a ton of momentum. Now, I think this

1057
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: is one that you lose some sleep. And you know,

1058
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 3: very bol tough guy running offense. I think to get

1059
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 3: so pass happy down the stretch when you were rushing

1060
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 3: with ease on these guys, I think that's something. Even

1061
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: if you run like a quarterback. Power to Drake may

1062
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 3: is something because like you said, they don't have Randy

1063
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 3: Moss and Gronk and Edelman out there. That's not really

1064
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 3: They're depending on Diggs and you know Hunter Henry to

1065
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 3: make some big catches. So when you put it on

1066
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 3: a young quarterback and let's face these human being, he's

1067
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 3: got to get a little tight as the game all

1068
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, we're killing him and now we're down to.

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Speaker 2: Well he's looking at Josh League on the other side.

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Speaker 3: That is, and this is you start seeing the way

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Speaker 3: this like Chargers obviously very flawed, the Jags are actually

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Speaker 3: playing really well right now. Saying with the Texans, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, Denver they still got you know, bo Nick's

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Speaker 3: a young quarterback. It's it's sill prett open. No one's

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Speaker 3: gonna be shocked at any given outcome in a playoff game.

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Speaker 3: And Buffalo's got to go, well, we're gonna have the

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Speaker 3: best player in every one of these games that we

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Speaker 3: play come January. Now, do we have the best roster? No,

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Speaker 3: but this guy has proven that.

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Speaker 1: You know that. That's where their defense isn't good enough.

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Speaker 3: Like that Thursday night game when Houston just sacked him

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Speaker 3: like fifty times like that, that's New England's not gonna

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Speaker 3: have the capability to do that. And you just if

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Speaker 3: you can't do that to him, he can just take over.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I've been a live forty years.

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Speaker 3: I just don't remember many people with the with the

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Speaker 3: combination like we've seen Cam Newton the physical runner or

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Speaker 3: you know, got Brady and Rogers the unreal passers. He

1089
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Speaker 3: can do them both. He's just an unstoppable force when

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Speaker 3: he gets when he gets.

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Speaker 2: Rolling, No, you get the best of Elway's arm, you

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Speaker 2: get the best of Cam Newton's size, but he's better

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Speaker 2: with both he's just he's the he's the best quarterback

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Speaker 2: talent I've ever seen in my life.

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Speaker 3: The volume