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Speaker 1: in the chat Giants O Joe jump jump right into it.
Speaker 1: The Giants beat the Patriots. Jackson dark Shine in his
Speaker 1: rookie preseason. His numbers across all three weeks he was
Speaker 1: thirty two or forty seven, three hundred and seventy two yards,
Speaker 1: four total touchdowns, zero interceptions. OJO, I told you he's
Speaker 1: gonna be starting sooner than you think.
Speaker 2: He's gonna learn One thing, OYO, what is that? Get
Speaker 2: your ass down?
Speaker 1: Them guys you try a a A they comfort them
Speaker 1: guys heavy and they fast.
Speaker 3: He gonna he gonna learn fast. He's gonna learn very fast.
Speaker 4: But you have to understand you say you're gonna start
Speaker 4: sooner rather sooner than later. I do believe it, and
Speaker 4: that that's to say if Russell Wilson doesn't play well,
Speaker 4: But I think Russell Wilson is gonna be in great
Speaker 4: command of that offense, especially with the weapons he has
Speaker 4: around him. Listen, you put that ball in UNO's hands,
Speaker 4: everything ain't gonna be fine. Put that ball in one's hands,
Speaker 4: everything ain't gonna be fine. I don't think there's much
Speaker 4: pressure on on Russell Wilson. And if they're gonna, if
Speaker 4: they're gonna give him the job. I think Russell Wilson
Speaker 4: makes it through this season and Jackson Dark starts next year.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that.
Speaker 3: You don't think so.
Speaker 2: No, not the way this rookie played this preseason.
Speaker 1: And oh tall, you see the way he move in
Speaker 1: the pocket. You see the throw that he's making.
Speaker 3: He can move now, he's nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then what thing you are not gonna do?
Speaker 1: We're gonna give credit words due. Now, if you play bad,
Speaker 1: we're gonna say you play bad. But hey, but if
Speaker 1: you play good, we're gonna say, Man, get your popcorn
Speaker 1: and watch this kid. I mean his command of the offense,
Speaker 1: he's I mean his ability to push the ball down
Speaker 1: the field, his ability he's from. And then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, he's like, oh, I forgot about my black back.
Speaker 1: Waam throws it to the back. I said, you should
Speaker 1: you show up on a rookie. Rookies don't normally play
Speaker 1: like that. He plays with a lot of poinds. He
Speaker 1: played a big time army. He'll throw push the ball.
Speaker 1: I like guys to push the ball down the field.
Speaker 1: All that short fishing. You ain't gonna catch no big
Speaker 1: fish around the edge, the big fish out d Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Most of the time, especially for the rookies, you know,
Speaker 4: they get themselves in rhythm, get the rhythm. They'll start
Speaker 4: short just to just to get that confidence going, as
Speaker 4: opposed to taking taking a deep shot. I remember, I
Speaker 4: think was it maybe last week? It might have been
Speaker 4: last week. It was third, it was third and shorter.
Speaker 4: Maybe maybe they went for it on fourth down, and
Speaker 4: he threw the goddamn deep ball. Yeah, throwing it short
Speaker 4: for a touchdown. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And who guess what, o Joe, who else knows that
Speaker 1: you're a rookie, that you're probably not gonna push it
Speaker 1: that ball down field early and you're gonna stay around
Speaker 1: the shore. Decoordinators Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And they telling
Speaker 1: their corner, they're telling.
Speaker 3: The crowded sit sit yep, because.
Speaker 2: They thinking like you think it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Coach, first of all, coach ain't gonna call anything that
Speaker 1: he don't want to get too exotic.
Speaker 2: He want to let him warm up.
Speaker 1: We're gonna let him throw a smoke, let him throw
Speaker 1: an out, let him throw a slant sit. Heyitch, they
Speaker 1: gonna go get that ball every time. Uh but no,
Speaker 1: I love, I love what I love what I've seen.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get. But I think Brian dayball
Speaker 1: and that staff is very pleased with the production that
Speaker 1: Jackson dark displayed in the preseason. How can you not
Speaker 1: four total touchdowns, no picks, basically clean? Look like you said,
Speaker 1: O Joe, I can teach you that son, get your
Speaker 1: ass down, get down or get out of bounds. You
Speaker 1: got two choices. You can get down or you can
Speaker 1: get your ass out of bounds. These are we're gonna come,
Speaker 1: put your ass on the car and you're gonna go
Speaker 1: in the tent. Because you see what happened with what
Speaker 1: happened on yr. Yeah, they came and got it and
Speaker 1: they put it. They took his ass to the ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But listen, based on his play this preseason Bengals, Bengals,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about its giants, fans, giants organization. His teammates,
Speaker 4: they have to be very pleased. Yeah, very what they
Speaker 4: saw from Jackson dark. But also I want to be
Speaker 4: very cautious. Now, very cautious. Now this is you got
Speaker 4: to understand who he was going against. Now when the
Speaker 4: regular season stars is a different ball game, right there.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure, it's not gonna be sweet, not gonna
Speaker 3: be uh, it's.
Speaker 1: Ain't a vanilla. They're gonna get you a lot. Hey, Hey,
Speaker 1: they get you a lot of swirls. Hey, you go
Speaker 1: to basket Robbins. It ain't flavored. There's coverages you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: It ain't thirty one flavor. There's thirty one coverages.
Speaker 3: It's a different ball game.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. The intensity picks up, the urgency picks up. The
Speaker 2: speak coaches all that, all that.
Speaker 1: Hey, the coaches they're explaining things to you in a
Speaker 1: nice calm tone.
Speaker 2: That it shot the window.
Speaker 3: Yeah m hm.
Speaker 1: Hey, And that's what one of the coaches told me
Speaker 1: my rookie year. You know, we still cut it, just
Speaker 1: coss the season. That don't mean you can't get cut
Speaker 1: right sometimes, you know, sometimes guys relax on yoe.
Speaker 2: Oh man, maybe it's out a trading camp.
Speaker 1: They'll cut week one all the way all the way
Speaker 1: through the week seventeen eighteen even Hey, I've seen guys
Speaker 1: get cut in the postseason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be your day, damn in the postseason.
Speaker 2: Well look here, man, we are a well look here,
Speaker 2: they don't play.
Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, I look, you know what it might have
Speaker 1: been the like it might not have been the postseason,
Speaker 1: you know, practice squad guy or something like that. But
Speaker 1: I see, But but I'm talking about got bet guys
Speaker 1: late in the season.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that Mike shannandnt play.
Speaker 3: That's tough.
Speaker 2: It wasn't no loafing.
Speaker 1: It wasn't no walking when he say, I don't know
Speaker 1: how y'all did it, O Yoe.
Speaker 2: But when we change drills, oh you had to get
Speaker 2: a move on.
Speaker 3: Got a little pepper. Gotta have a little peppery your step.
Speaker 1: Nobody walks but the mail man. That's why he doesn't
Speaker 1: make what you make. You run to where you gotta go.
Speaker 3: I like that, Okay, I like that.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, some people don't understand that, and that's
Speaker 1: no disrespect to the mail man. Hey, you guys do
Speaker 1: an unbelievable job. We appreciate your service, although you don't.
Speaker 1: Kind of like with Amazon and all these other carriers,
Speaker 1: they dab put y'all out of business. But this kid
Speaker 1: Jackson dark O Joe, Oh yeah, I like what I'm
Speaker 1: saying now, I'm like you, I want to see him
Speaker 1: against some real competition.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Hey, when you go, you gotta you gotta make those alignments,
Speaker 4: those adjustments. Yes, defenses, I mean linemen of stunning defensive
Speaker 4: disguising what they.
Speaker 3: Really want to do.
Speaker 4: And yeah, you might think it's you might think it's
Speaker 4: covered one, and you might think it's cover three, and
Speaker 4: all of.
Speaker 3: A sudden you go to go to man, it's.
Speaker 1: Go to quarter, they go to seven, they go to six,
Speaker 1: they go to six, kick they have have Have you
Speaker 1: go to cover five?
Speaker 3: Have your brain out there, fried.
Speaker 1: Yeah, clouding it. M Yeah, just be out there banjoin
Speaker 1: but Joe, because you know I'll be I'll be trying
Speaker 1: to let ay because that was the way they be
Speaker 1: out there doing this right here. That means they banjo,
Speaker 1: and that means they're gonna they're gonna double somebody. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it never really dawned on.
Speaker 2: Me that what the sick you know, I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: just out there.
Speaker 3: Like what they doing right right.
Speaker 1: Or you know you see them doing locking it? Hey,
Speaker 1: so I just got a kick. I guess got a
Speaker 1: kick out of that where people say, hey.
Speaker 2: Man, it don't matter, it don't matter if you know
Speaker 2: what to do.
Speaker 1: The hell you say you let me know, y'all gonna
Speaker 1: be a couple of hours that though, y'all gonna be
Speaker 1: a quarters of single high safety, a six kick.
Speaker 2: The hell you say.
Speaker 3: Bad?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 1: But Tommy DeVito, Oh Joe, Tommy DeVito. Yeah, seventeen to
Speaker 1: twenty buck ninety three three tugs. A Jackson Dark came
Speaker 1: in six to twelve eighty one yards a tub. Jameis
Speaker 1: Winston came in for eight mop up forty seven and
Speaker 1: a toub.
Speaker 4: Listen, we talked this might be the second team we
Speaker 4: talked about a team carrying four quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: This might be another team that might carry four.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, old Joe ya, because you know why,
Speaker 1: because who's James. Jameis is making four million, Russ is
Speaker 1: making good money. Russ he was making how much money?
Speaker 1: Ash ten fifteen? See, it's not like Cleveland, because what
Speaker 1: you call going to make him five million? Kenny Pickett's
Speaker 1: was making what he's making. And then you got two rookies.
Speaker 4: Okay, so so what you're saying, well, what you're saying,
Speaker 4: who's the odd man out?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 1: Oh, so he got one year ten to five, which
Speaker 1: is probably as much as a flack coin picket making together.
Speaker 1: And then you throw Jamis's four million a year because
Speaker 1: I think he did two years nine million, so four
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 2: So you look at fifteen million between two quarterbacks. So
Speaker 2: I mean, so who's don't.
Speaker 1: Think you think they keep you think they keep telling me, well,
Speaker 1: obviously you know they're not getting rich Jackson dark You
Speaker 1: think they keep Tommy de Vido or they released him
Speaker 1: and trying to sign them back to the practice squad.
Speaker 3: Probably signing back to the practice squad. But I see
Speaker 3: them doing that.
Speaker 4: I see them doing the same thing that that the
Speaker 4: Browns are probably gonna do for some reason, For some reason,
Speaker 4: I just do. And then we talked about James Is
Speaker 4: Winston heard you heard personnel or was that the owner
Speaker 4: that came out and said absolutely not, He's not going nowhere.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say that.
Speaker 3: I'm about James Winson.
Speaker 2: You're talking about married John Marra.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, great locker, great locker room presence,
Speaker 4: great team guy.
Speaker 3: I knew, I knew. I knew James wasn't going nowhere,
Speaker 3: absolutely not.
Speaker 1: But forty two ten. You don't want to go out
Speaker 1: on a note like that. But you know, o Joe,
Speaker 1: you and I we talked about this early in this week. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: a lot of kids dreams, I say kids, the kids,
Speaker 1: they old enough to be my kids, old enough to
Speaker 1: be the young Well let me take that back, they're
Speaker 1: young enough to be our kids. I'm pretty sure I'm
Speaker 1: older than most of their moms and dads. But with
Speaker 1: that being said, a lot of these young men's dreams
Speaker 1: come to an end tonight. Some will get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go be on a practice squad somewhere else. Some
Speaker 1: might get an opportunity to go to Canada play in
Speaker 1: the UFL. But for a lot of them, Mocho, the
Speaker 1: realization that this is over something I've been doing since
Speaker 1: I was seven eight years old. Did it at the
Speaker 1: pe wee level, did at the JV level, high school level,
Speaker 1: college level.
Speaker 2: My dreams and aspirations did not come to fruition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough because this is probably the first time,
Speaker 1: Mojo that someone has told these young men you're not
Speaker 1: good enough. Think about it. They've always been the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were their best on their Pop Warner. There was
Speaker 1: based on their flag football team, their JV football team,
Speaker 1: their high school basketball, a football team, the college, and
Speaker 1: then it's a numbers game. You're not good enough. That's
Speaker 1: the realization of OJO. That's the realization. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be chat I'm not trying to be dramatic,
Speaker 1: because I know what it's like to be on pins
Speaker 1: and needles that last game, that last preseason game, and
Speaker 1: you your name is on the.
Speaker 2: Board to be released. My name was on the board
Speaker 2: to be released.
Speaker 3: Hold on, let me let me tell you.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you what about the last preseason game.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about what we were playing the last preseason game.
Speaker 3: I remember. I would I would be walking.
Speaker 4: In and the person who did the cutting and letting
Speaker 4: players know as they come in the building was Lippy Lippincott.
Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not, I haven't. I don't know if
Speaker 4: he's still with the Bangles or not. And I you know,
Speaker 4: I would always come in early after the preseason game
Speaker 4: to come in, hit the cold tub, hit the hot tub,
Speaker 4: get my body back, get my body back. We rejuvenated
Speaker 4: and fresh, and I would see lippy standing there right
Speaker 4: at the door and just thinking to myself, man, so
Speaker 4: he's collecting the playbook, you know, to go up and
Speaker 4: see the.
Speaker 3: Coach yep, before the meetings even start. I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: that's tough, man.
Speaker 4: And then hard knocks, hard knocks, hard knocks made it
Speaker 4: a reality and allowing people.
Speaker 3: To see, Yeah, people actually you know, get cut and
Speaker 3: how and how that side of it works, and it is.
Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking, it said as it is. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 4: reality of the game.
Speaker 2: That's reality. You got to show you both sides.
Speaker 1: You just see the plug GUIDs making plays, scoring touchdowns,
Speaker 1: the camaraderie on the field and the meeting rooms and
Speaker 1: things like that. But there's another side of this that somebody,
Speaker 1: some young man men, their dreams. This dream is not
Speaker 1: going to come true, and you have to reshift, refocus
Speaker 1: a lot of it. You know, you're disciplined because you
Speaker 1: have to be somewhat disciplined to play football, because you
Speaker 1: got you know, you got study, haul, you got when
Speaker 1: you work out, you got practice, when you got to
Speaker 1: be there for the plane ride, when you got to
Speaker 1: be there for the bus ride. How you have to dress.
Speaker 1: So there's a certain level of structure, and a lot
Speaker 1: of these young men lives, so you know, some you
Speaker 1: know a structure is is not their strong suit because
Speaker 1: they do everything they can, oh you the buck against it.
Speaker 1: But most most of these men, they do have structure
Speaker 1: because you've kind of been in the structured environment for
Speaker 1: the better part of your life and so it should
Speaker 1: be you know, you a if you go back and
Speaker 1: go into the workforce, the actual nine to five, you know,
Speaker 1: you got to be to work at a certain time.
Speaker 1: You know the task that you're asked to do, you
Speaker 1: just go get it done. But that's the that's the
Speaker 1: unfortunate side of playing a professional sport that everybody.
Speaker 2: Dreams of playing.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, you know, for every o Cho
Speaker 1: Sinko and a Shannon Sharp or a Stirling Sharp or
Speaker 1: somebody that that came up the less than favorable or
Speaker 1: improverished conditions, there are a lot of people that came
Speaker 1: from those same conditions that didn't get an opportunity to
Speaker 1: play in the NFL. Oh Joe that got the opportunity
Speaker 1: that you and I got, and that was as far as
Speaker 1: they got was training camp.
Speaker 2: That's tough, man, it is it is.
Speaker 4: I think it's a good thing. I think it's also
Speaker 4: a good thing for fans to be able to see
Speaker 4: the entire process, not just to finished product on Sundays,
Speaker 4: actually see what players have to go through, the sweat,
Speaker 4: the tears, the being on pins and needles, the pressure
Speaker 4: of having to go out there in the preseason knowing that, Okay,
Speaker 4: I have two or three games where I have to
Speaker 4: make a name for myself, if not here, maybe somewhere else.
Speaker 4: If I don't make it here, No, that that's tough.
Speaker 4: It is because then also you got to do everything
Speaker 4: you want to do. You want to be perfect, and
Speaker 4: most of the time when you press and you try
Speaker 4: to be perfect.
Speaker 3: What's the one thing you always do? You mess up?
Speaker 3: Mess up, you mess up. You can never you can
Speaker 3: never play freely.
Speaker 4: I mean, you had your best when you're playing free
Speaker 4: without nothing to worry about.
Speaker 1: Now you got to go try to learn a new offense,
Speaker 1: a new defense. But here's the thing, Oh Joe, there's
Speaker 1: two thousand and three thousand applicants for that four or
Speaker 1: five jobs. How many wide receivers are gonna get released,
Speaker 1: how many tight ends, how many offensive linemen, how many
Speaker 1: running backs, how many quarterbacks? dB D lineman, linebackers, corners, safeties.
Speaker 1: So you got two thousand applicants, probably got ten fifteen positions.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: And that that goes to show how great the one
Speaker 3: percent is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that how great the one percent is.
Speaker 1: Yes, you think about how many kids graduate each year
Speaker 1: from high school. Now, think about how many of those
Speaker 1: go to college to play aff sport. Now just think
Speaker 1: in forty five years, how many them get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to go play at the next level and said sport.
Speaker 1: Now you understand what you're dealing.
Speaker 3: With very small.
Speaker 2: Only there's only a fifty three man roster.
Speaker 1: Now you think about a fifty three man roster of
Speaker 1: a million of a million kids that graduated. So let's
Speaker 1: just say, for the sake of argument, let's just say
Speaker 1: a half a million of them.
Speaker 2: Got a men right out of five hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: When you realize how special you got to be to
Speaker 1: be a professional athlete, forget, obviously there's some you know,
Speaker 1: obviously basketball is even harder because guess what, O, Joe,
Speaker 1: you got fewer slots. Baseball is even harder because you
Speaker 1: got few there's only fifteen spots on a basketball team.
Speaker 2: Ohoe, you only got fifteen. You only got fifteen players.
Speaker 5: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Think about it. You're starting offense, your starting defense. You
Speaker 1: got twenty that's more than an entire basketball team. Baseball
Speaker 1: you got twenty nine. That's twenty four. That's twenty four
Speaker 1: less than a football team. So you see, as the
Speaker 1: percentage as the players go down, Yeah, so does the
Speaker 1: percentages of you making it.
Speaker 2: I'm just telling what it is, o't yo.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean listen, it's the hardest truth. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's the hardest truth.
Speaker 1: Steelers beat the Panthers defensive lives off of the potentially
Speaker 1: significant loss to Rickey first round of Dereck Harmon was
Speaker 1: carted off the field with the knee injury and quickly
Speaker 1: ruled out. Mike Tomin told reporters that is a spring
Speaker 1: knee and the injury is still being evaluated. I think,
Speaker 1: O yo, that's kind of why. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: see a lot of the key guys play guys. Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe they just didn't voice it, but the guys did.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the coach of being concerned like that
Speaker 1: because they threw our ass out there.
Speaker 3: Oh yoya. They weren't concerned. They weren't concerned, And I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: it's football at the end of the day. It's football
Speaker 3: no matter what.
Speaker 4: And if someone, to me, honestly, the way I think
Speaker 4: that someone is gonna get hurt, they're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 3: It's inevitable.
Speaker 2: You can't get hurt going full speed.
Speaker 3: It's it's a contact sport.
Speaker 4: You can you can, you can protect a player all
Speaker 4: you want, but when it's time to play football, if
Speaker 4: they're going to get hurt, they're going to get hurt.
Speaker 3: You can't protect or stop that. You can, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: gona hold you out in preseason.
Speaker 4: You can go out there in the regular season and
Speaker 4: still get hurt the same way we might would just
Speaker 4: get out there and just play football.
Speaker 1: No, oh Joe, it used to be football is a
Speaker 1: collision sport. Yeah, because you got big men running in
Speaker 1: the bigger men at a high rate of speed.
Speaker 3: That was me.
Speaker 2: That was me.
Speaker 1: And Marlin Olson. I think once said football is a
Speaker 1: lot like nuclear warfare. There are no winners, only survivors.
Speaker 3: I would survival if I don't know if you saw that.
Speaker 1: I read that article that they did and when they
Speaker 1: interviewed I think guys with the guys that got drafted
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight in nineteen eighty eight, two years.
Speaker 1: So guys that came in in eighty eight, their average
Speaker 1: age is about sixty two.
Speaker 2: Oh, Jo, all of them.
Speaker 1: Something heard, memory loss, get agitated, X, Y, and Z.
Speaker 1: Nine out of ten say they do it all over again.
Speaker 1: People ask me, knowing.
Speaker 2: What you know now?
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, you think I wouldn't, man, please, man, please, And.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, I'm just just thinking about it.
Speaker 4: If I had the opportunity to do it all over again,
Speaker 4: knowing what I know now, I would have added some
Speaker 4: mold to it.
Speaker 3: I would have added some more little seasoning. I love partially. Oh, man, man,
Speaker 3: I would listen.
Speaker 4: Hey, Paul Taglabu and Roger Goodell think I gave him
Speaker 4: hell if I not what I know now, man, please
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 1: If I could go back and do it over again,
Speaker 1: knowing what I know now, I would enjoyed it more.
Speaker 3: Oh, instead of being so serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was so tone of vision. I was so focused.
Speaker 1: All I thought about was somebody taking my job, my
Speaker 1: grandmother not being able to do what she did, not
Speaker 1: been able to That's it. I did enjoy the journey.
Speaker 2: I was just.
Speaker 1: I tried, but it would keep me off the destination,
Speaker 1: I would get sidetracked. So that's what I would do
Speaker 1: different if I could do it, but obviously I can't.
Speaker 1: That's why they say you're supposed to live a life
Speaker 1: with no regret. I don't regret it, but I would
Speaker 1: do knowing what you know now. That's the magnificent science
Speaker 1: of hindsight is knowing today what you didn't know yesterday.
Speaker 3: Is that.
Speaker 1: I would definitely do it different. But first round pick
Speaker 1: Dereck Harmon knee injury being a value by Tom to
Speaker 1: say he will be evaluated.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe, Jerry Jones just can't help himself.
Speaker 1: Take a listen to what Jerry told Michael Irvin about
Speaker 1: the Michael Parkson's situation.
Speaker 7: They're in here make their percentage. Uh, they're in here
Speaker 7: to Uh basically, yes, advise, my advise Michael. Come over
Speaker 7: to the office and I'll show you exactly what I offered.
Speaker 5: Michael.
Speaker 7: We got it in the back. It's uh, with all
Speaker 7: written down everything to go come down and look at that.
Speaker 7: I would get over there, look at it.
Speaker 5: You sure, absolutely look at it.
Speaker 7: Here's my entire point. My point who is that basically
Speaker 7: says this is ultimately recognizing we're trying to come together
Speaker 7: for an agreement, but absolutely who is it to God
Speaker 7: that can go with? And so the facts are, I
Speaker 7: don't know that I've ever been around. I've never tried
Speaker 7: to buy anything. I've never tried to do anything that
Speaker 7: I actually was going to bring all of the services
Speaker 7: and somebody else was going to do all the money.
Speaker 7: But because was the in between, guys, wasn't exactly the
Speaker 7: guy that I had fit there that came from. That's
Speaker 7: exactly what's happening here so many times in this in
Speaker 7: this industry.
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, Yeah, what you did hear him say is
Speaker 1: what I've been telling you. He said, Michael Parks is
Speaker 1: on the contract for three more years, So that tells
Speaker 1: you he's in the contract this year, and I got
Speaker 1: two franchise tags. I'm not afraid to use him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he said the quiet part finally out loud.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, listen, he says a lot of things out
Speaker 4: loud that that are supposed to be supposed to remain quiet.
Speaker 3: I also heard some things that he said listen to
Speaker 3: that I saw.
Speaker 4: I saw a clip on Twitter Jerry Jones saying that
Speaker 4: David how he says the agent's last name letter B
Speaker 4: letter said he told him he could take the contract
Speaker 4: and show it. And I heard Ryan Clark respond to
Speaker 4: that because Ryan obviously called Dave the ass, Right did
Speaker 4: you tell Jerry that?
Speaker 3: And obviously he said everything Jerry's is saying it wasn't true.
Speaker 3: It was a lie. And this is one of the.
Speaker 4: Tactics that Jerry uses, Yes, which is one of the
Speaker 4: ways that he continues the fool fans in general, just
Speaker 4: and Jenny, and he has everybody on their side by
Speaker 4: coming out and saying, I gave Micah a contract that
Speaker 4: was going to making the highest paid at his position,
Speaker 4: a non quarterback.
Speaker 3: Jerry, At what point do owners do deals with the player?
Speaker 2: Jerry?
Speaker 3: That's not business, right, that's not how like a business?
Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, I give you a prime example, Jerry. Just
Speaker 1: like you guys have Roger Goodell. He's the mild piece
Speaker 1: for the owners, right. We understand that he works at
Speaker 1: the best of the owners. That's why I don't get
Speaker 1: mad at Roger Goodell. Everybody get mad at Roger Godell, said, man,
Speaker 1: Roger did this. Roger did nothing that those thirty two
Speaker 1: owners didn't want him to do. Yeah, when he got
Speaker 1: cauld y'all remember when he got mad at when Jerry
Speaker 1: got mad at Roger for suspending Zeke. They had already
Speaker 1: approved his financial package. Jerry held it up. Arthur Blank said,
Speaker 1: we already approved this. We're not now, we're not doing this, Jerry.
Speaker 1: Jerry said, I want to know why the mad Jerry
Speaker 1: had already signed off on it. All the owners had
Speaker 1: already signed off on it that needed to sign off
Speaker 1: on it. But Jerry got mad because Roger suspended Zeke.
Speaker 1: Jerry held a package up, and they used to have
Speaker 1: a big six Jerry Jones, mister Craft, Daniel Snyder, a
Speaker 1: few other guys.
Speaker 2: They kind of that was Roger's right hand right.
Speaker 1: They kind of ran the show that all the owners,
Speaker 1: you know, a thirty two, but you know some have
Speaker 1: a little bit more influence than others.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit more power.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So I'm not surprised. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, Jerry, Michael. That's why you have to be careful.
Speaker 1: See you go, you went in there thinking, yo, just
Speaker 1: ay you doing something? A little leadership. He started talking numbers.
Speaker 1: Jerry think y'all got a deal? You just think you
Speaker 1: guys talking about leadership and a what you need to
Speaker 1: do to get better, and.
Speaker 4: You know what, you know what's funny. You know what
Speaker 4: the owner's gonna always do. They gonna always lowball you too. Now, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're gonna always lowball you. And the fact that Michael Parsons,
Speaker 4: as smart as he may be, as smart as he
Speaker 4: may be when it comes to that contracts and that
Speaker 4: fine print in that language, or you don't know nothing
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 1: If he wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, ojo,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to take the Bobby Wagner approach, Richard
Speaker 1: Sherman ended up doing it. Lamar and his mom ended
Speaker 1: up doing I think they had an attorney. Somebody read
Speaker 1: over the fine France say okay, this blah blah blah. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, but Michael has given no indication. Well, if
Speaker 1: that's the because Michael, I think, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: I think he's been with athletes first, uh, since he
Speaker 1: came out. You know, Michael's got an agent. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you try to excuse me. You tried to circ convent
Speaker 1: the agent. So you tried so in other words, he
Speaker 1: tried to do a back alley deal, backdoor d O
Speaker 1: O joe.
Speaker 3: But you can't do that that's bad business.
Speaker 2: Jerry.
Speaker 1: First, the NFL is the NFL and the nfl PA's
Speaker 1: fault because Jerry knows he's not supposed to negotiate contracts.
Speaker 2: He knows that.
Speaker 1: But the nfl PA, with their weak asses, allow it.
Speaker 1: The NFL that that's afraid of Jerry Jones because he'll
Speaker 1: sue them, just like Al Davis.
Speaker 2: So they let him do it.
Speaker 3: Wait, Jerry sue who the illeague.
Speaker 2: The same way.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones is the only arnor the only thing that
Speaker 1: he's that. He's a part of the what they call
Speaker 1: it revenue sharing the TV. He has his own merchandise
Speaker 1: deal with everybody who with Coke, he's with Pepsi with
Speaker 1: everybody with Rebok, he's with Nike.
Speaker 3: Hey boy, he running it and he run his own program.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: That's that's how David And you know what the game
Speaker 4: that he's playing right now, it lets me know because
Speaker 4: I got his fans all over Twitter to see see
Speaker 4: Jerry's gonna make Micael the highest paid and they really
Speaker 4: don't understand the game he's playing.
Speaker 3: Fans don't understand. They they falling forward.
Speaker 2: So let me get this straight.
Speaker 1: Because he said, like come on, man, y'all, how much
Speaker 1: is how much is a Miles Garrett guaranteed? So without
Speaker 1: even know it because at the time, Miles Garrett contract
Speaker 1: wasn't done, right, hej Watt contract wasn't done. The highest
Speaker 1: paid with the guaranteed money was Nick Bosa. So you
Speaker 1: mean to tell me sight unseen he was willing to
Speaker 1: go to a number that's more than Miles Garrett. Miles
Speaker 1: Gary got one hundred and twenty four million guaranteed. What
Speaker 1: was Nick Bosa's guarantee? Because at the time because Nick Bosa,
Speaker 1: so Nick did Max Crosby. Then the Dale Hunter's the
Speaker 1: what's the total to one forty? So Miles Garrett got
Speaker 1: one forty a one sixty forty a year, one twenty four.
Speaker 2: Four for one sixty.
Speaker 1: Bosa got five for one seventy, which is about thirty
Speaker 1: about thirty four million a year. Then if my math
Speaker 1: serves me correct, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 4: Just hey boy, Jerry shot out, bro Jerry tried to
Speaker 4: hit Michael with a little banana in the tailpipe.
Speaker 1: And you see what he does. You see what he did,
Speaker 1: don't Joe? He put it out there like you said,
Speaker 1: and fans look at Michael. Look what he got out
Speaker 1: there TVD and' that's what he says.
Speaker 3: Oh, he put up a little freer Michael Michael seven eight.
Speaker 2: He said, even if I fall, I will rise. The
Speaker 2: Lord is my life. Hey, that's Michael getting Michael getting biblical.
Speaker 3: Hey, and you know it's serious.
Speaker 2: You know it's serious when you start going.
Speaker 3: To the you know, to the scriptures.
Speaker 1: Here are he removed all cowboy stuff from his social Yeah,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, I ain't see that.
Speaker 2: Look, I know David, I know his agent a little bit.
Speaker 2: Spoke to him.
Speaker 1: I don't speak to him as much now, but I
Speaker 1: used to speak to him fairly, a fairly decent amount.
Speaker 1: This doesn't sound like him now. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be I don't want to be the one that says
Speaker 1: what a person will or won't say. Oh Joe, But
Speaker 1: I'm just said in my interactions with him, he doesn't
Speaker 1: come off as that type of person to me, right, Jerry,
Speaker 1: Jerry is trying to sway public opinion. Put that out there, Hey,
Speaker 1: the public, Hey, Michael being greedy. Michael ain't no team
Speaker 1: Michael's not a team player, because if he's a team player,
Speaker 1: he would take this deal, leave some money for somebody else,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: And because they listen, they eating it up. Yep, they
Speaker 4: eat it up, not knowing that's the game. That's the
Speaker 4: that's the game, and they don't see it that way.
Speaker 3: They just see it what. It's one sided. Because if
Speaker 3: you're a Cowboy fan, Lord, you're a Cowboy fan.
Speaker 1: You're not a Michael Parson. You're Michael Parsons fan because
Speaker 1: he plays for the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Boy. So therefore if he goes somewhere else, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's oh man, it's crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: It's a game. Game and Jerry knows how to play
Speaker 3: it very well.
Speaker 1: Yes, because you've been playing it longer than Michael. Michael's
Speaker 1: twenty six Jerry on the Cowboys since nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 1: so that end and of itself. Plus, Jerry Jones has
Speaker 1: been this businessman. He knows business. That's why, michaeh how
Speaker 1: an agent. You hire people that know what you don't.
Speaker 4: And you know what the funny thing is when it
Speaker 4: comes that this kind of business with this kind of money, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not fair.
Speaker 3: It's not fair.
Speaker 4: And negotiations will expose people for who they truly are
Speaker 4: and how they really feel about you. When it comes
Speaker 4: you think your value is right, Well, damn, that's how
Speaker 4: you really feel about me? Well, hell, Jerry already said,
Speaker 4: or you let mikeel know how you feel about you?
Speaker 3: He said, would you see in your mind? He said
Speaker 3: it out loud, He.
Speaker 1: Said, okay, oh Joe, okay, what you what? Y'all agree?
Speaker 1: Y'all ain't agreed to Ain't no ink on no paper? No, no,
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, did you realize at one point in time,
Speaker 1: Google tried to sell itself.
Speaker 2: Google tried to sell itself for a billion? They said, nah,
Speaker 2: we're good.
Speaker 1: I think it was y'all who said, nah, that's too much,
Speaker 1: realized that made a mistake, came back, tried to buble again.
Speaker 2: It said, nah, okay, it wasn't no ink on no paper, right?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Who's that about?
Speaker 7: You?
Speaker 2: Met about you? Who about you? Google?
Speaker 3: Google?
Speaker 2: About YouTube? About y'all?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Full little of nothing? Google?
Speaker 1: How much YouTube revenue it generates for Google every twenty
Speaker 1: one days?
Speaker 2: Just google that?
Speaker 3: Wait what I put?
Speaker 2: See how much Google paid to buy YouTube?
Speaker 1: Now see how much money YouTube generates and ree and advertising.
Speaker 4: Google acquired YouTube in two thousand and six for one
Speaker 4: point six.
Speaker 3: Billion.
Speaker 1: Okay, one point six billion, not Google, how much advertise?
Speaker 1: How much money Google generates and advertising revenue just in
Speaker 1: every twenty one days?
Speaker 3: What the fuck?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, how many? How much to Joe?
Speaker 3: Five billion?
Speaker 2: Okay, h goy, leave yesterday's price a today's price.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: Google had a nine hundred ninety six zero point five
Speaker 4: billion fourth quarter revenue. Mm hmmm, not the first three
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. That's that's a different world, or that's
Speaker 4: a different world where Yep, that's a whole different world.
Speaker 1: Now you see what I'm getting at. Yeah, So, Jerry,
Speaker 1: what you thought the price was in March? It main
Speaker 1: wasn't no new contract. That ain't what the price is
Speaker 1: in August September. But I told you what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1: I said, Oh, Joe, the problem that that he has.
Speaker 1: That that's why the first thing I said, get away
Speaker 1: with the franchise tag. Oh yeah, you want the money
Speaker 1: to go off exponentially, get away with the French get away,
Speaker 1: do away with the franchise tags.
Speaker 3: Yep, that should be.
Speaker 4: That should be the first thing gone first, and the
Speaker 4: second should be the goddamn help lifetime benefits yep, health benefits.
Speaker 4: And then we'll work on the guarantee contracts labs. But
Speaker 4: in that, in that, in that specific order.
Speaker 1: You can't have free agency if somebody still controls your
Speaker 1: right mm hmm, that could franchise you. No, no, but
Speaker 1: hopefully uh Mike and the Cowboys get this thing worked out.
Speaker 1: He gets a number that he's feel comforted, that he
Speaker 1: feels comfortable with, and everybody's happy with, because that's where
Speaker 1: it comes That's what it comes down to. Okay, Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: we got a very special guest joining us tonight. We
Speaker 1: got two time Pro Bowl cornerback from the Chicago Bears,
Speaker 1: Jalen Johnson?
Speaker 2: JJ? What do you do?
Speaker 5: What's that have been living?
Speaker 2: Man? I'm doing great, man? How are you living?
Speaker 5: I'm good. I ain't gonna lie to tell you I'm
Speaker 5: tired of him.
Speaker 1: Well, hold on, hold on, y'all have practice. Y'all got
Speaker 1: a game tomorrow, y'all, game tomorrow.
Speaker 5: On Saturday tomorrow. We in KC right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, but y'all, but it's it's slow buggy now.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it's slow boogey. You gotta have that steak
Speaker 5: dinner though. I got that, I got the hi is,
Speaker 5: I done, got out the shower and everything. I'm ready
Speaker 5: to go.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, you're right ready to lay it down. Okay,
Speaker 1: listen the Bears defense, Oh yo on. We saw you
Speaker 1: guys the other night. You guys wore flying around offense
Speaker 1: looked really good. Defense was getting after people. What have
Speaker 1: you been most of? What has Ben Johnson coming over
Speaker 1: from the Lions? What has he been able to steal?
Speaker 1: Because instealing you guys, because you guys look different. I
Speaker 1: know it's pre season and I want to I don't
Speaker 1: want to get too carried away, Jay, but you guys
Speaker 1: look different. You guys look different.
Speaker 5: I think the message is different.
Speaker 8: Honestly speaking, I feel like it's one of those things
Speaker 8: where talking to him personally and listening to him in
Speaker 8: the team meetings, he's he's like he's one of us
Speaker 8: talking and when he gets up there, it's not like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 8: we're gonna go out here, we're gonna execute, and it's like, nah,
Speaker 8: it's just about whooping the guys in front of you,
Speaker 8: like really like dominating and it's stealing like your will.
Speaker 8: And I think really just preaching that that goes a
Speaker 8: long way, because I mean, I feel like even in
Speaker 8: Detroit for a long time, they didn't have talented guys
Speaker 8: but they had a lot of guys that had great
Speaker 8: as they like to say over there and guys that
Speaker 8: work hard, that are tough and things like that.
Speaker 5: So it's like him that that that fits him, so
Speaker 5: just really coming for us. And I mean even Dennis
Speaker 5: Allend he's telling defense then that we live every day
Speaker 5: in practice.
Speaker 8: So just really that mentality as far as going and
Speaker 8: playing physical, it's like really just honestly overdoing it really
Speaker 8: is the thing that we think of really in the
Speaker 8: defensive room, and really what we said like total line,
Speaker 8: total line between going too far and and and really
Speaker 8: pushing the limits.
Speaker 4: Have you have you been able to tell the difference
Speaker 4: in Kayleb Williams the way he commands the offense, the
Speaker 4: way he's playing with Ben Johnson atter him calling the place.
Speaker 4: Is he is he carrying himself with a little bit
Speaker 4: more confidence as opposed to how he did last year?
Speaker 3: Can you can you sense that a little bit in camp?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: For sure, I think really before camp kind of coming
Speaker 8: in of course off the rookie year, it was it
Speaker 8: was tough to losing straight the instability and all the
Speaker 8: drama that came with of course his first year. So
Speaker 8: I mean really just coming into that second year, having
Speaker 8: all that adversity really under your belt. There's really no
Speaker 8: worse that you can do. I feel like outside of
Speaker 8: what happened with us, So I feel like just really
Speaker 8: for him going back to the drawing board, getting better
Speaker 8: and then just coming to the building ready to work.
Speaker 8: But I mean for him it's always he's always been confident.
Speaker 8: I think it's that that that's not something that's ever
Speaker 8: gonna change. I think it's just now about execution.
Speaker 1: Jay, you one of the few vets last year that
Speaker 1: you called out your teammates. You didn't just say put
Speaker 1: it all on the coaches. You put it on players also.
Speaker 1: So you can lead a horse to water, but you
Speaker 1: can't you can't make him drink. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: some of these guys lack motivation. What were you trying
Speaker 1: to say without calling out any specific names your message?
Speaker 1: Were you trying to get across to your teammates like
Speaker 1: they're putting up he's probably this coach is gonna lose
Speaker 1: his job. But if guess what, if you guys don't
Speaker 1: pick up your plate, if you don't get better habits,
Speaker 1: the next coach gonna come in here, he'll lose his
Speaker 1: job too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 8: And I feel like a lot of times guys getting
Speaker 8: the league's all men, this coach is this man, they
Speaker 8: they playing me and they doing this like, nah, it's you.
Speaker 8: Like for me, I'm one of those guys where it's
Speaker 8: like if we not if we getting beat on defense,
Speaker 8: that means I'm getting beat individually, that means we all
Speaker 8: getting beat collectively as a unit.
Speaker 5: It's not necessarily the scheme.
Speaker 8: And no we had bad eyes and the dude, we
Speaker 8: let a guy go free, or I didn't win my matchup,
Speaker 8: whatever it is.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's always fair to say.
Speaker 8: Now, there's THEMN some coaches that can put you in
Speaker 8: bad positions, But I think for me, my biggest thing
Speaker 8: was always look at yourself first. And for us, I
Speaker 8: f like we didn't have guys that exhausted every everything
Speaker 8: I fly after practice.
Speaker 5: That'll tell you really what you have in the team.
Speaker 8: How many guys are catching one hundred plus passes on drugs,
Speaker 8: how many guys are working on technique, how many d
Speaker 8: linemen are doing their past rushing drills, how many receivers
Speaker 8: are working on releases.
Speaker 5: With the DBS. To me, all that goes without being
Speaker 5: having to be told to you.
Speaker 8: So I think for me that's my biggest thing is like, Nah,
Speaker 8: we can't call somebody else out, or we call ourselves out.
Speaker 8: We gotta look at us and then put the work
Speaker 8: in individually, and then we can start pointing the fingers
Speaker 8: somewhat to everybody else.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at you, guys.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: Last year, you guys had some guys on some close games.
Speaker 1: I mean you you literally snatched defeat from the Joseph victory.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys did it.
Speaker 2: You had to get it.
Speaker 5: You guys had a game bears doesn't a few times.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question, Like when you
Speaker 1: on the field at Washington and you're like, man, ain't
Speaker 1: no way he could throw this ball this far.
Speaker 2: Okay, but if he does, we gonna knock it down.
Speaker 1: Or you see a situation where you have several games
Speaker 1: that you guys were winning late in the ball game
Speaker 1: and you end up losing. How frustrating is that when
Speaker 1: a team young like yourself trying to win but seemingly
Speaker 1: find ways to lose.
Speaker 8: I know, Washington, that one still hurts me because they
Speaker 8: showed all the damn time from that one, all the
Speaker 8: other ones you kind of can forget about. But I
Speaker 8: think just really in that moment, it's about maturity and
Speaker 8: having that composure.
Speaker 5: I feel it's really just about composures.
Speaker 8: I feel I got times you let the moment get
Speaker 8: too big and the execution slips. I feel even on
Speaker 8: the hell may of course my dog wasn't locked in
Speaker 8: on the other side, but I feel like even before that,
Speaker 8: I feel like there's some things that we could have
Speaker 8: been locked in and focused on in that moment, practicing.
Speaker 2: Let that man get yard out what I ain't gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead jab.
Speaker 5: But it's really just stuff like that. Even late in
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 8: I know we had I think it was a close
Speaker 8: game with Green Bay, before Minnesota, Detroit, all those teams
Speaker 8: of course divisional games. But I think it really just
Speaker 8: comes down to that poise in the moment, that poison
Speaker 8: executed when it comes down to it, Because I mean,
Speaker 8: I feel like, again every team goes over situational ball.
Speaker 8: It's not something that is a lack of knowledge. It's
Speaker 8: just really a lack of poison execution in that moment.
Speaker 5: But that comes with experience. So hopefully we don't keep
Speaker 5: having those same mistakes.
Speaker 2: Looking at your offensive line, they reap.
Speaker 8: What you got going, Onya, this ispanos say hellopanosanos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that little bit he said. Hold on what you
Speaker 2: try to say, Jay, what you tried to say?
Speaker 5: All right, he's gonna get bigger, he gonna stay that side.
Speaker 7: No, this is it.
Speaker 5: Come on, I don't know what you got.
Speaker 2: This is big, the big with upstairs that he is paying.
Speaker 5: He's sleep understood.
Speaker 1: Do you think you see offensive line? That's my point.
Speaker 1: I look at what you did offensively. You guys went
Speaker 1: and got three a little I think three new starters.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams. You drafted tight end in the first round
Speaker 1: to go with co commit with Dj Moore, you got,
Speaker 1: I mean the kills you got guys at a Roman
Speaker 1: dudes a your first round draft pick. Offensively, you guys
Speaker 1: should be better. But you do realize, Jay, if the
Speaker 1: offense gets better, that doesn't mean you get to take
Speaker 1: a step back.
Speaker 2: You have to meet them where they are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, that I think too. For us in
Speaker 5: Chicago were defensive city. So I mean they mean that's
Speaker 5: where we're at.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's what's up.
Speaker 8: That's what we're not worried about. Matching matching them on
Speaker 8: what they're doing. So I think for us just really
Speaker 8: just keeping that that's our that's our culture. I mean tough,
Speaker 8: gritty Chicago bar. I mean it starts with the defense,
Speaker 8: so we're not really tripping. I mean, Dennis Our leading
Speaker 8: the hell of a hell of a defense.
Speaker 2: At bit.
Speaker 5: I love me some d A right now. He ain't
Speaker 5: he ain't.
Speaker 8: He ain't running me wrong yet, So I love da
Speaker 8: our Hairris of course is the DB's coaching, teaching us
Speaker 8: and really showing us how to take the ball away.
Speaker 8: So I mean for us on defense, we we're not
Speaker 8: worried about setting that setting that standard.
Speaker 5: We're gonna push the bar a little bit.
Speaker 4: Hey, listen, you being one of the better man the
Speaker 4: man DB's in the NFL, right, I ask you your
Speaker 4: your opinion on who you think the top five receivers
Speaker 4: are in the game right now and the most difficult
Speaker 4: challenge for you to cover so.
Speaker 5: Farve top five. I feel like top five you gotta
Speaker 5: put some details on. Is it just skill? Are we
Speaker 5: going off production how you want to? I mean like
Speaker 5: it's kind of different.
Speaker 2: You fake? What about the ones you face?
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's go all the guys you face, you
Speaker 3: could you can?
Speaker 5: You can?
Speaker 3: They still top five based off those you face?
Speaker 5: Uh, I would say no order, I would say justin.
Speaker 5: I say a J. Brown, I'll go to ree Kill.
Speaker 5: That's three mm hmmm that I faced. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you see I'm Rock because he's
Speaker 2: main in the slot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say it's it's it's tough because he's good.
Speaker 5: I think for me, I don't. I just don't get
Speaker 5: enough reps against him. Jamar.
Speaker 8: I only seen him when he was a rookie early
Speaker 8: in the season, so I haven't really seen seen him.
Speaker 8: But I would still throw Jamar in my top five
Speaker 8: for sure.
Speaker 5: Four not for five.
Speaker 8: This would be I probably I would say ceedee Lamb
Speaker 8: is in my top five. I know as far as covers,
Speaker 8: I would throw Mike Evans in there. He's definitely giving
Speaker 8: me some problems, especially early in my career. Yeah, those
Speaker 8: are probably the hardest guys on top of my top
Speaker 8: five in Gune.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's dope. Listen.
Speaker 4: I know you had your team goals, you know what
Speaker 4: you want to do defensively, are you Are you allowed
Speaker 4: to tell us any individual goals you might.
Speaker 3: Have for this season.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, that ain't against no rules from what I.
Speaker 2: Na me.
Speaker 4: I know some people, some people don't don't want to disclose,
Speaker 4: you know what the individual goals are.
Speaker 5: So I mean I just I'm all yeah, no, I'm
Speaker 5: all good. I gotta memorized now.
Speaker 7: I know.
Speaker 5: I want to have seven interceptions, three force fumble.
Speaker 8: So I want to have ten turnovers, fifty percent completion
Speaker 8: or lower than fifty percent, no touchdowns allowed.
Speaker 5: And then what was my last one?
Speaker 8: What was my last stat I think I was like
Speaker 8: seven or so TFLs and then it's like I'm missing
Speaker 8: one more. I think it was three hundred, no more
Speaker 8: than three hundred yards giving up in the season.
Speaker 5: I like that defensive score pick six scoop and score
Speaker 5: all three touchdowns. That was the last one. That was
Speaker 5: the last one, three touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Hey, what did you do?
Speaker 5: He said, what did you?
Speaker 2: What did you do different this year to make those
Speaker 2: goals a reality?
Speaker 5: About a jugg machine, about a judging machine forself?
Speaker 8: Definitely just getting my catches in. And it's crazy because
Speaker 8: it's like being in dB. You don't you're not really
Speaker 8: taught to catching techniques and how to track the ball.
Speaker 8: What part of the ball to track to look at
Speaker 8: you just kind of just go out there and catch it.
Speaker 8: But it's like when I was on the jug seeing it,
Speaker 8: We're kind of looking at different things. I'm like, nah,
Speaker 8: you really gotta.
Speaker 5: See see the tip, like you see the tip you falls.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. You know, I
Speaker 2: ain't saying nothing. I wasn't saying a word. Do you
Speaker 2: clean that up?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 8: I'm told, Hello, seeing the point in the point of
Speaker 8: the football, yeah yeah, yeah helps you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it helps you.
Speaker 5: Helped you catch it a lot better. You can see
Speaker 5: you can catch us.
Speaker 8: I think for me that's been the biggest thing, getting
Speaker 8: reps at that, and then really everything else is always
Speaker 8: working on technique, make sure I'm in position. But other
Speaker 8: than that, it's really just a mind a mindset going
Speaker 8: and seeing the ball and the balls and their going
Speaker 8: to go get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is is that you have to
Speaker 1: think because as a dB you're taught to knock the
Speaker 1: ball down. You have to retrain the way you think
Speaker 1: you got like I got to go catch this ball.
Speaker 1: As a receiver, we're taught you'll catch it. We ain't
Speaker 1: trying to not. I mean, obviously if the balls go
Speaker 1: about to be intercepted. We talked to knock it down,
Speaker 1: but you're more mainly talked more so to knock it
Speaker 1: down than catch it. So now you have to retrain yourself.
Speaker 1: You see guys that get a lot of picks. You
Speaker 1: see like a like a Dion or Rod Wilson chalk.
Speaker 2: They like, no, no, no, no, no no. Did you
Speaker 2: play wide receiver when you at any point in time
Speaker 2: did you play?
Speaker 3: In high school?
Speaker 8: I had a little package or something, but I was
Speaker 8: I played defense, always, defensive specialists.
Speaker 1: Because most guys like playing quarterback with a wide receiver
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: That that was a dB.
Speaker 5: So they crazy, it's a lot easier to catch the
Speaker 5: office and defense. I promise you that it is.
Speaker 8: And I don't know why, but I feel like when
Speaker 8: I play receivers like that, it's easy to like, I
Speaker 8: didn't really drop too many passes, but when I gott
Speaker 8: and get on defense, I feel like it's a lot.
Speaker 5: It's a lot different.
Speaker 1: Because you and you do realize on offense when the
Speaker 1: ball is coming your way, we're actually trying to throw
Speaker 1: it to you.
Speaker 2: See you when the ball coming your way, that you
Speaker 2: cover it.
Speaker 5: Love that love that.
Speaker 4: Hey I got I got one more question, one more question.
Speaker 4: Normally normally playing dB. Obviously I'm a huge fan. I'm
Speaker 4: a huge fan of dB play. How do you know
Speaker 4: when to take chances when you know what's coming, based
Speaker 4: on alignment, based on tendencies that you see watching film?
Speaker 4: How do you know when to take those chances? So basically,
Speaker 4: think about the South Eastamy on film. I'm going with it, Yeah,
Speaker 4: getting axceptions. He would always jump stuff because Okay, I
Speaker 4: know I saw this, I saw this on film.
Speaker 3: I know how you know when to take those chances
Speaker 3: and when not to.
Speaker 5: Honestly, I feel like it's not as simple as that.
Speaker 8: I like, if you know, you know, and I'm like,
Speaker 8: if you don't, then you gotta someone be play reaction
Speaker 8: in that game from there. But I think a lot
Speaker 8: of times when you not even when you study, when
Speaker 8: you look at the game. And for me, I've learned
Speaker 8: this as I've gotten older. In the game, it's like
Speaker 8: the offense is based on timing and spacing. So it's
Speaker 8: like if you can understand their formations and the spacing
Speaker 8: at their end and you can get your read on
Speaker 8: the quarterback to getting the timing of the routes, because
Speaker 8: I mean you're not going to get a three step
Speaker 8: and then he's.
Speaker 5: Running the nine ball.
Speaker 8: I mean that he's probably not gonna get the ball
Speaker 8: in depending if you're playing off man, at least if
Speaker 8: you're playing off So it's like really matching it up
Speaker 8: to where it's okay, if I can read the quarterback
Speaker 8: get my three step, read, he's either got a hits,
Speaker 8: he got a slant, and really that's about it. So
Speaker 8: it's I have no really no need to move. I
Speaker 8: think the biggest thing is the confidence. And I don't
Speaker 8: even say jump believe what you see, yeah, and taking
Speaker 8: it away. I think because when you sit there and
Speaker 8: you see that guy running full speed, and I know
Speaker 8: receivers like to work on the deception and come off hard,
Speaker 8: but you're really not going deep. It's like you got
Speaker 8: to be confident in yourself to where when you see
Speaker 8: it it's like, nah, I know this is this is fake.
Speaker 5: I'm about to go or just wait on it and
Speaker 5: then just really go from there.
Speaker 8: I think watching more film and like even watching dig
Speaker 8: since we got out over here, it's like he wasn't
Speaker 8: taking chances. He just seen it like you would just
Speaker 8: see the quarterback he would I mean he would get
Speaker 8: a good read on it.
Speaker 2: So, oh yeah, I forgot that's your dB coach man.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you over here with the good guys.
Speaker 3: I said, what's up man Will Will?
Speaker 5: He told me he put Paul's on you back.
Speaker 3: In the day.
Speaker 2: What kind of Paul?
Speaker 3: What kind of Paul do you talk about?
Speaker 2: Well, he might be.
Speaker 3: I don't want no hour nice though a JJ Yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah I know him. And back when they was in
Speaker 3: Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the dreads. Yeah, hey, Al would take a chance
Speaker 1: now and you had to play with Al. You remember
Speaker 1: Seattle with the saying, hey he the quarterback called heads.
Speaker 7: That.
Speaker 2: I say, no, you're not.
Speaker 3: Here's the other way.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, no, I love having hour.
Speaker 8: It's for sure that ball mentality, especially like when you
Speaker 8: see three step and he didn't. You're mad at the
Speaker 8: DB's when he ain't driving the three stele. We ain't
Speaker 8: driving certain routes when we see the quarterback. So it's
Speaker 8: all about really getting those reasons, having confidence.
Speaker 1: You do realize that the corners, you guys live on
Speaker 1: an island. It's you and that guy is mono a mono.
Speaker 1: That's that's the matchup. And a lot of times you
Speaker 1: ain't got no help. You gotta have you got to
Speaker 1: have you to play corner. You gotta have amnesia because
Speaker 1: you're gonna give up some all. Guy's gonna run a
Speaker 1: great route. He get paid, just like you do. He studied,
Speaker 1: he's studying Jalen, just like you studying him.
Speaker 2: But how do you how are you.
Speaker 1: Able to block it out? You give up a touchdown
Speaker 1: or you give up a big play. How you able
Speaker 1: to block it out? Like, okay, that happened, especially if
Speaker 1: it's early, ignoring that you got three and a half
Speaker 1: quarters left to play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think for me, it's it's it's life. I
Speaker 5: feel like dB. Playing dB for me is just another
Speaker 5: another area of life for me.
Speaker 8: As far as stuff gonna happen to you early in life,
Speaker 8: stuff gonna happen to you late in life, and it's
Speaker 8: like you still got life to live.
Speaker 2: So I mean, for me, I don't like that.
Speaker 5: I don't get too caught up in it.
Speaker 8: It's at the end of the day, when you live
Speaker 8: long enough, you're gonna mess up and you're gonna do
Speaker 8: some good things. When you play dB long enough, you're
Speaker 8: gonna give up some You're gonna break up some passes.
Speaker 8: So I think for me, it's really as simple as that.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 8: I know Media said in one of her movies, or
Speaker 8: in one of the movies, I gotta get them one
Speaker 8: of they get me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I feel like that's really the that's
Speaker 5: really the name of the game.
Speaker 8: I think honestly, he's just trying to not get God
Speaker 8: as many and as less as you can, and then
Speaker 8: get them more as much as you can. But it's
Speaker 8: really that simple, I think too, especially when you're going
Speaker 8: against top guys. I mean, I personally got a gauntlet
Speaker 8: this year with all the receivers I'm gonna see it,
Speaker 8: so it's like I'm gonna enjoy it.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, they gonna catch some passes.
Speaker 8: But again, for me, as long as I win more
Speaker 8: than I lose and turn the ball over, I feel
Speaker 8: like I'll be good.
Speaker 2: Well, good luck this season, man, stay healthy.
Speaker 3: Already.
Speaker 5: What's up y'all?
Speaker 3: Y'all y'all at home week one?
Speaker 5: Yes, Monday night, you're gonna pull up huh.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, you know what I gotta be.
Speaker 4: I gotta be at the sports book age on Sunday
Speaker 4: for God.
Speaker 5: Okay, I got a week one.
Speaker 3: I met the sports book on Sunday at really feel
Speaker 3: so I'm.
Speaker 5: Gonna be at the game on Monday, though.
Speaker 3: I'll stay if you can give me, If you give
Speaker 3: me a ticket, I'll get whatever you need. Just holler
Speaker 3: let me, man. No, I really got to be there,
Speaker 3: all no, No, I really got to be the dead ass,
Speaker 3: no doubt.
Speaker 5: Tell your people, hit my people, and I'll take care
Speaker 5: of you.
Speaker 3: We found all right, Bet. I can come over to
Speaker 3: see hi stuff and get autographs and stuff.
Speaker 5: Hey, man, it's all it's you.
Speaker 2: It's you, man.
Speaker 5: I'll talk to a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Let's go. I got you, all right, Bet, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: let y'all all.
Speaker 1: Right, Ja, stay healthy, man, good luck this season. Man,
Speaker 1: we're chat down the road, no doubt. Jalen Johnson, cornerback
Speaker 1: for the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 3: He nice too, boy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Oh Joe.
Speaker 1: Troy Aikman spoke about Michael Parson's leverage. His leverage is
Speaker 1: they can't win without him. Without Michael Parsons, I just
Speaker 1: don't think they're going to be able to spoil anybody down. Now,
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys are gonna do? You think they you
Speaker 1: think you think I know the answer to that. But
Speaker 1: the longer they wait, the price just continues to go up.
Speaker 1: For Michael Parsons, Troy is no stranger to watching holdouts.
Speaker 1: Emmitt held out lasted two days before Jerry came to
Speaker 1: a census. They went oh and two, They got Emmitt back,
Speaker 1: and they ended up winning the Super Bowl. I think
Speaker 1: Emmett led the league in rushing that year. Should we
Speaker 1: expect the holdout? Do you foresee a holdout until Michael
Speaker 1: Parks gets his money or does he come in.
Speaker 2: And play in good faith?
Speaker 3: Who come and playing good faith? Michael and Mike ain't,
Speaker 3: no goddamn fool, Absolutely not. I told you.
Speaker 4: They will always use that against you if they know
Speaker 4: you're a foe because you love the game of football,
Speaker 4: they'll play They're playing your face all day.
Speaker 3: They were playing your face all day.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Michael better not come back, no, sir, no, sorry,
Speaker 4: especially especially with the owners come out and said and
Speaker 4: the game of the game of mind games that Jerry's
Speaker 4: playing to publicly talk about your agent, you talked about
Speaker 4: the player.
Speaker 3: Oh hell nah, I'm not coming back, absolutely not.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, Well what's the point. What's the point in
Speaker 4: paying him? He might miss games like you did last
Speaker 4: year over them.
Speaker 2: That still irk you that he said that. Huh you know,
Speaker 2: how do you?
Speaker 4: I'm still can't, like, how do you say something like
Speaker 4: that about your player. That's something that you think that
Speaker 4: you don't want to say to yourself, like, damn, I
Speaker 4: paid him all this money and now he's on the
Speaker 4: sideline hurt.
Speaker 3: You don't say that out.
Speaker 2: Loud, you speaking stuff into existence.
Speaker 3: Like I mean, man, but y by you lucky. You
Speaker 3: know what.
Speaker 2: I'm with me.
Speaker 4: I'm with me some good money and I'm gonna go
Speaker 4: buy the Cowboys. You laughing, I'm gonna go buy the
Speaker 4: Cowboys and me and you gonna run it.
Speaker 1: Oh yo, there ain't enough lotteries being played for us
Speaker 1: to get enough money to buy the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: You never know, you never know, never never say that, Oh.
Speaker 1: Joe, that's tied to his whole identity even when he dead,
Speaker 1: And don't former Cowboys older Jerry Jones, so hey, we
Speaker 1: might can pull our penning together and get something that
Speaker 1: get it on something else.
Speaker 2: O yo, But the Cowboys they did.
Speaker 1: Look, that's that's that's something that you sit down and
Speaker 1: talk with your agent. How well you've done with your
Speaker 1: money that you can with stand twenty million dollars, So
Speaker 1: that's basically a million dollars a week.
Speaker 2: He'd be stepping away from.
Speaker 3: Oh, you't got to step away. You can stay right there,
Speaker 3: You stay right there.
Speaker 1: He ain't gonna play in the game. He gonna play
Speaker 1: in the games. No, well, you don't play the games.
Speaker 1: You don't get paid back spasm.
Speaker 4: That's all right, he hurt, he in he there, he's
Speaker 4: under contract, right, yes, okay, long as it if he
Speaker 4: shows up, Oh, my back hurt.
Speaker 3: I can't play. Y'all want to play game, you can
Speaker 3: play games. Oh he gonna get.
Speaker 2: Paid that boy, that'd be an ugly situation.
Speaker 3: I mean, Jerry making it ugly.
Speaker 2: I can't say I disagree with you.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean he I'm listen. If Jerry wanted to
Speaker 3: play hardball.
Speaker 2: He does. But hey, I don't know why Jerry. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know why Jerry does this. I don't know
Speaker 1: why he wakes the week before the season. We saw
Speaker 1: it with CD, we saw it with Dak, we see
Speaker 1: it with Zeke he EMMITTT missed two games. The difference
Speaker 1: was Emmitt didn't have a contract. See Emmitt did not
Speaker 1: hold out. EMMITTT didn't have a contract.
Speaker 3: At all at all.
Speaker 2: Okay, So so uh.
Speaker 3: Damn, I'm just thinking about that man.
Speaker 9: May I boy, why oh we if I if I
Speaker 9: own the Cowboys, I'm telling you, boy, well, well.
Speaker 3: We have a super we have a Super Bowl every year.
Speaker 3: But I'm just spending everything for everybody.
Speaker 2: Uh, we need to start playing a lottery.
Speaker 1: Then they don't have They don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: right here in Vegas because they got casinos and they
Speaker 1: don't want you playing a lot of They want you
Speaker 1: to go to casino.
Speaker 3: They don't want you to double dip.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: They don't want anything that's gonna take money out of
Speaker 1: casino pockets.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the Cowboys fans, they deserve, they deserve. They
Speaker 4: deserve this man, they deserve a reason.
Speaker 2: They deserve misery.
Speaker 1: No, no, you remember cover Cluver Lry told Rocky, they say,
Speaker 1: what do you see for mister pain?
Speaker 2: Damn man, that's what.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's tough.
Speaker 1: It's tough because Michael has been an All Pro he's
Speaker 1: been Defensive Rookie of the Year, he's been all those
Speaker 1: probos that he's been to and Jerry has compensated him
Speaker 1: from that. Now he's said, Jerry, have I played that
Speaker 1: contract based on what I believe I'll be the next
Speaker 1: forty five years.
Speaker 2: This is what I need.
Speaker 1: Accordingly, Now, maybe it was he's gonna make the highest paid.
Speaker 1: Now you got to make him highest paid again, which
Speaker 1: is more than what TJ. Watt got more guaranteed money said,
Speaker 1: he said, Michael said, I.
Speaker 2: Need like one hundred fifty What I need? I tell
Speaker 2: you what, you know what I'm nice, one thirty five guaranteed.
Speaker 2: I need like one eighty. I need like I need
Speaker 2: like four years two twenty.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know what's funny when I think about it too,
Speaker 4: and Jerry think he's slicked trying to make it seem
Speaker 4: like he was gonna pay Michael Parson to have the
Speaker 4: highest paid But it was before Miles Garrett contract.
Speaker 3: It was before TJ.
Speaker 2: Watch J. Watt.
Speaker 3: It would before and before you got Chase Crosby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before Chase. So it was gonna be in the
Speaker 1: forty So now, hey, bro, that thing at forty two forty.
Speaker 3: Three, it wouldn't have been no good.
Speaker 5: It would have been good.
Speaker 3: No disrespect to those that are watching.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying in terms of the type of player
Speaker 4: in caliber which Michael Parson, yeah, to be paid it
Speaker 4: wouldn't be no good.
Speaker 3: And he young baby's twenty six. Baby, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Man, twenty six years of age.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need all that. Yeah, I'm sorry, I need
Speaker 1: I need go. I tell you what, Jered, Hey, five,
Speaker 1: give me five for two fifty. Damn five for two fifty.
Speaker 1: I don't want but one hundred five. I don't want
Speaker 1: but one hundred forty hundred fifty guarantee.
Speaker 3: Oh so the two fifty just just to make it
Speaker 3: look good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. I don't care
Speaker 1: about the guarantee. I tell you what, Jared, you give
Speaker 1: me five for five hundred million, but I need one
Speaker 1: hundred fifty of it fully guaranteed.
Speaker 3: Okay, I like that all that.
Speaker 2: I don't care now about that fluff you said that
Speaker 2: put all that you see, all the plate that the
Speaker 2: plate be, all designed, they got all that stuff dribzled
Speaker 2: all like that. Does it taste good? What's up on
Speaker 2: all that drizzle? Does it taste good?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: All that fluff? I see how much money is guaranteed.
Speaker 2: That's all that.
Speaker 3: That's all that matters.
Speaker 2: That's all I need to know what I'm gonna see