WEBVTT - Bryan-Michael Cox

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<v Speaker 1>R and Beats Money.

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<v Speaker 2>We are.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank Valati. We are the authority on all R and

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<v Speaker 3>B ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Tank Ja.

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<v Speaker 3>Valentine, and this, yeah, is the R and B Money

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<v Speaker 3>podcast on the authority on all things R and B.

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<v Speaker 1>It just got legendary.

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<v Speaker 4>What I wore his Beatle shirt for a reason. It

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<v Speaker 4>just got his Tell me, why is the man we

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<v Speaker 4>have here tonight?

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<v Speaker 1>Huh? He beat the Beatles and knocked off the Beatles.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why I wore this shirt because I knew

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<v Speaker 1>my partner was coming knocked off the Beatles. Yeah we

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<v Speaker 1>know this, Nick.

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<v Speaker 3>Well with this Well grew up with this, Nick yay,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the callsts, one of the greatest of all times,

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<v Speaker 3>saying your full name, Brian Mico.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, So we the fuck up. We've been

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<v Speaker 2>talking about this for a minute. I'm so glad matter

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<v Speaker 2>we are in the building.

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<v Speaker 1>We're here.

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<v Speaker 3>We brother, we cannot be the authority unless you come.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, Tank man. I appreciate you, Jake, my people's man.

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<v Speaker 2>We we go about to see how far back we

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<v Speaker 2>go for real real, This is this is real family, tad,

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<v Speaker 2>this is royal fam talk right here. Listen back, you

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<v Speaker 2>know back in the noontime buildings. It was nine five seven,

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<v Speaker 2>nine five seven West may Hada Bad on the railroad track.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, when we was all right behind the building, he

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<v Speaker 5>was just trying hold on, let the train pass and

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<v Speaker 5>we get we get the next vocals for absolutely, we

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<v Speaker 5>was all just trying.

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<v Speaker 2>Just coming up, kids, trying to come up, man of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was me, you, Donny Scans, the Twins, Eric Robertson,

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<v Speaker 2>John Tay. It was just it was a it was

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<v Speaker 2>a house full Jazzy Faye, Teddy, Bishop Shade ub Dent

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<v Speaker 2>were just trying. Man were just throwing throwing the ship

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<v Speaker 2>at the wall man hoping someone mills stick.

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<v Speaker 1>Every day, every day.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it worked everybody you just named. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 4>a legendary in this and you didn't even go to

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<v Speaker 4>the executive side.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just about just musicians. Yeah, and we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get it to still doing it. Yeah. Yeah, everybody though,

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<v Speaker 2>which is crazy. Everybody's everybody's yellant, everybody. If we could

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<v Speaker 2>have seen the future, man like I'm gonna get I

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<v Speaker 2>tell Chris too, if we at presidence of mind of

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<v Speaker 2>what was happening, we would have we would have stuck together.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely absolutely y'all were y'all were monstrous, we would have

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<v Speaker 2>stuck together like I mean, some of we stuck together

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<v Speaker 2>in fascets like Jazzy and Nooney did their things and

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<v Speaker 2>John t people kind of separated, did their own thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think that if we had known for real,

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<v Speaker 2>for real, it was on the other side of all

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<v Speaker 2>of this.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying, because part of your blueprint

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<v Speaker 4>too is the fabric and the idea of the underdogs

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<v Speaker 4>for us before way before the dogs, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, and to and where they got the concept from.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously it was Puff hit Man. That's really where they

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<v Speaker 2>got the concept from. You know what I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>no time got the concept. You know, they had JW

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<v Speaker 2>and Dent and Jada mc denwell were co managed by Puff,

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<v Speaker 2>and they basically went up there and saw how Puff

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<v Speaker 2>was running his ship and was like, oh, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>kind of duplicate that. And then they got Teddy and

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<v Speaker 2>they got Jazzy k fam and you know, uh, Chris's

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<v Speaker 2>brother Kevin Hicks who played guitar, and all the records

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<v Speaker 2>records and then and then I just I came in

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<v Speaker 2>the mix in the middle of all that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>John Tate was a part of it work and with

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<v Speaker 2>Teddy Bishop, the Twins were working with dub It was

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<v Speaker 2>just an interesting one. Twelve was coming down there at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I mean, Duran was working down there. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just a really interesting time in the late nineties

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<v Speaker 2>with that company. You know, just y'all were really like

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<v Speaker 2>y'all were really an artist away, one artist away, artists

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<v Speaker 2>and what's crazy is right? All executives, we say executives. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about the partners, but we talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, God bless Shaki Stewart, talk about Jahi Johnson,

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about Jarell Allen. We're talking about the people

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<v Speaker 2>who were, you know, instrumental in that situation. Ryan Glover,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a partner who now owns Greenway Bank, who

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<v Speaker 2>was popping.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just I wish that, you know, I wish that

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<v Speaker 2>we had the presence of mind at that time, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course you never know what on other side. Just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of just go, what a starting ground? What a

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<v Speaker 2>what a fucking starting ground?

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<v Speaker 1>Bro?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you have people like you know, Block was

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<v Speaker 2>coming down, freaking t I was coming and you know it.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just the interesting Also did many genres of music.

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<v Speaker 4>That was the other thing. That's what the underdogs. It

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<v Speaker 4>was very much so R and B and pop. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's really what it was. Everybody from Rick like

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<v Speaker 4>your daddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it was just then ill combination of people

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Crow and then you know, I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it was just then ill you know Jim Crows where

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<v Speaker 2>we get Polo to don Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, I was a one stop shot.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just then ill combination of of I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember when what's my man from hoo the

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<v Speaker 2>Blowfishers down there? Darius Darius, Darius was there, There's Rucker

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<v Speaker 2>came you you was there.

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<v Speaker 1>People who were there put up on us too. Early

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<v Speaker 1>underdog days when it was just me, Damon and RV.

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<v Speaker 2>There is for that R and B. Yeah, he was

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<v Speaker 2>doing like R and B Stevie type thing and it

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<v Speaker 2>was crazy because humph umph Wow, your hump's doing like

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<v Speaker 2>TV film ship like he's like he's he's killing it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so hump. I remember uh uh Daris Rutger had a

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<v Speaker 2>deal with Bud Wiser.

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<v Speaker 1>I heard about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And they the fucking eighteen wheeler. But Wiser eighteen will

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<v Speaker 2>have pulled up the noontime and Niggas was drinking beer

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<v Speaker 2>for like five months.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro.

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<v Speaker 6>It was the crazy I was expecting five days, you

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<v Speaker 6>know much beer got that truck pulled eighteen would have

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<v Speaker 6>pulled up and he was like, yeah, man, just drop

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<v Speaker 6>it off.

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, what the fuck is happening?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I never seen I don't drink beer, No Niggas,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah can Niggas was drinking. Can I think it? I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's got a long shelf like ship, not like

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<v Speaker 1>my plastic bottles of bright Thanks thanks two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Supply sprite expired in six months. Thanks maybe less appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>that to give it away. Bee Cocks. Man, Man, you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're ship. You're one of the greatest. Man. I appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, And we gotta we gotta turn back the hands

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<v Speaker 3>of time and really establish how you got here, Like

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<v Speaker 3>like when does bea Cox happen? When does when does

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<v Speaker 3>somebody say you know this kid is special? When do

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<v Speaker 3>you say to yourself, I found my purpose? Like talk

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<v Speaker 3>take us back to Houston, man, you know it's back. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 3>I've always wanted to be a producer. I never understood

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<v Speaker 3>what it really meant. But I knew that whatever Quincy

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<v Speaker 3>Jones did was important, whatever Teddy Rowdy did was important,

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever Jimmy Jame Terry Lewis did was important. Whatever La

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<v Speaker 3>Bay Face Day was important. And these were the names

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<v Speaker 3>I was saying on the back of my favorite albums

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<v Speaker 3>and favor you know, you know, I mean we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about credits off.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a credit reader. I mean, you know, people call

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<v Speaker 2>me a music inside Wipedia. I know things that I

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't know, right, And it's because I studied these records.

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<v Speaker 2>My mother was an avid record byer. My aunts were

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<v Speaker 2>everybody that yes, my.

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<v Speaker 4>Mom, yes, amazing, I want to say hello, amazing.

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<v Speaker 7>So my mom was super just in the music heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom loved music, and I give my love of

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<v Speaker 2>music from her and my my aunts and my uncles,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And they were buy records.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying like specific. Every one of my aunts had

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<v Speaker 2>different styles, like different things that they liked. Right. So

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<v Speaker 2>when you're young, right, and you're growing up in a

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<v Speaker 2>big family and you spend time with all your different

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<v Speaker 2>family members, you get to get all this experience from

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<v Speaker 2>different things.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So like man and Jack who passed away a few

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, her particular style of music was very eclectic,

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<v Speaker 2>like she would listen to things like Journey, Asia Haull

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<v Speaker 2>of Notes, but then Charla Marri was one of their favorite

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<v Speaker 2>groups or when the Fire was in their favorite so

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<v Speaker 2>she she had she might have been the most eclectic

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<v Speaker 2>record collector. You know. Like my first time ever hearing

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Fagen's My Life record was because she had it

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't even know what Donald think it was.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had to find out that he was a

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<v Speaker 2>member of Steely Dan and she had Steely Dan records.

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<v Speaker 2>And she was the one telling me all these different things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like the whole the whole other thing. Right, she was

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<v Speaker 2>the one that told me these different things. Right. My

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<v Speaker 2>mom was just really into like super like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>early on, like you know, funk boogie, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, So uh that translates from you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>part of my funkadelic to h when it translates to boogie,

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<v Speaker 2>that goes to Kashif and goes to what Leon Silvers

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<v Speaker 2>was doing and things of that nature. And my mother

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<v Speaker 2>also was really in the fusion, so like Herbie Hancock

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<v Speaker 2>funk that she was, she wasn't really into Herbie's like

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<v Speaker 2>super jazz shit. But it was like when it got

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<v Speaker 2>to Chameleon and when it got to records like Headhunters

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<v Speaker 2>and Feet on Film Now and things like that, my

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<v Speaker 2>mom was running to that shit, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>and that were really really like I was to my moms.

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<v Speaker 2>I was with her a lot, so a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>that music shaped like my mom loved d Train and

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<v Speaker 2>loved things like that in the early eighties. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like my mom's The most dense era of music for

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<v Speaker 2>my mom was like nineteen I would say nineteen seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 2>like nineteen eighty three, right, so you have I was

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to a lot of music during those years, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was very young. I was like, you know, between

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<v Speaker 2>the ages of seventy nine, I might have been one

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<v Speaker 2>going on two. It's from two to like six, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of music that was being a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of information that was being absorbed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just because when did you start playing?

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<v Speaker 2>I started playing when I was six, So.

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<v Speaker 1>This time you're already hearing it though, Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard it. But then I went to go live

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<v Speaker 2>with my grand my grandparents, right. My grandparents are from

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<v Speaker 2>Bahamas in Miami, I went to my went back to Miami.

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<v Speaker 2>I was born in Miami with my mom. My mom

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<v Speaker 2>was in the ninety seventy nine, so I was born

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<v Speaker 2>in Miami in seventy seven. My mom we used to

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<v Speaker 2>seventy nine. Then I moved back to Miami live with

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<v Speaker 2>my grandparents when I was five or six. Right, and

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<v Speaker 2>my grandparents are you know my grandfather's a Pentecostal minister,

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<v Speaker 2>said then I have all this I have all this information.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Then now I go to church. The secularision was already there, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And now I got to go back, and I got

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<v Speaker 2>to go to church because my grandfather's not having it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, We're not listening to nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's you know, it's it's really shock. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a culture shock. It's Mahelia Jackson and Malaya Jackson. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, I mean, I'm talking about old James Cleve.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about the old time.

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<v Speaker 1>But now you go, but now you're getting the root.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And I'm not knowing at the time about

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<v Speaker 2>all the things that we do exactly exactly like my grandfather,

0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.559
<v Speaker 2>he went in with the new My grandfather went back

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<v Speaker 2>and we're like, my grandfather's from Akland Island, the Bahamas

0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:05.040
<v Speaker 2>man that you know he's he was, yeah, you know so,

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<v Speaker 2>and my grandmother is the same. Right, So now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm in church, and you gotta do something, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So let me tell you what's interesting. Right, there's a

0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.360
<v Speaker 2>guy you y'all may know him. He's a he's an

0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.360
<v Speaker 2>amazing musician. He's put out a couple of records now

0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.880
<v Speaker 2>but used to play with the roots. His name is

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<v Speaker 2>Raymond Angry, right, Ray Angry. Okay, So Raymond Angry is

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<v Speaker 2>one of my guys. Okay, So let me explain something

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<v Speaker 2>to you about Ray, just so you know, yeah, all right, yeah, Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>Ray and I grew up in the same church, in

0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the same church atmosphere church got.

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<v Speaker 7>A prophecy, right.

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<v Speaker 2>His father was was well respected and was like a

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<v Speaker 2>person who took me in as like a nephew and this,

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<v Speaker 2>that and the third. And Ray was way older than us,

0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.640
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Ray, While I'm in if

0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.360
<v Speaker 2>I was like six or seven, Ray might have been

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen or fourteen something that right, and Ray, we y'all

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<v Speaker 2>call him Ray. But me and Kendrick, who because of

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<v Speaker 2>Kenrick Dean we call him Sebastian. That's his name, wow,

0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.280
<v Speaker 2>because he's Ray Angry junior. So at church his dad's

0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.679
<v Speaker 2>big Ray, we called him Sebastian, so I know him

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<v Speaker 2>at Sebastian and very angry. It is the first person

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<v Speaker 2>that I ever saw that made me want to play piano,

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<v Speaker 2>like for real, Like he was like he was no

0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.240
<v Speaker 2>for real. He was one of those people. He was

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<v Speaker 2>like an anomaly, like.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a super snark fourteen though.

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<v Speaker 2>At fourteen organ ridiculous, like he was like he was

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<v Speaker 2>the best already. He was the best already. He's the

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<v Speaker 2>first person I seen move his hips while playing keyboard

0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.800
<v Speaker 2>two keyboard at the same time at Rankin Chapel at

0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Howard University, and he was not saying all the keyboards

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, he's dancing.

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<v Speaker 7>No.

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<v Speaker 2>The way he was raised rais different. Different. When we

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<v Speaker 2>were kids, me and Henrick were little, and was just

0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:15.760
<v Speaker 2>always all of him, and he woul always let us

0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:20.320
<v Speaker 2>sit by him, you know, he would, he was him

0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:21.840
<v Speaker 2>and we just, you know what I mean, sit behind

0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.160
<v Speaker 2>him and watch him, you know what I mean, And

0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.600
<v Speaker 2>that always And it's crazy because I hadn't thought about

0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:28.800
<v Speaker 2>this in a long time. To me, me and my

0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.520
<v Speaker 2>mother was talking about this recently, and I hadn't thought

0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:32.960
<v Speaker 2>about it in a while. My almost like, SA, like

0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.720
<v Speaker 2>that's where you that's where it started for you. And

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<v Speaker 2>I remember my grandmother put me in panel lessons because

0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.400
<v Speaker 2>of him. I did not know we had that income. Yep,

0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:45.240
<v Speaker 2>I've known him, little gang of stuff. I was a

0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.040
<v Speaker 2>little guy. I was in high school. He was at

0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Howard University killing everything.

0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:54.880
<v Speaker 1>He was shy. All of them was up there like.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that was the era. Yeah, that was the era.

0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.280
<v Speaker 3>Everybody was up there. And we his kids from high school.

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<v Speaker 3>We were the singing kids from high school. They would

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<v Speaker 3>come up to Howard University and singing all the church

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<v Speaker 3>functions and all.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like the best group, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>We was high school kids, and Raymond Angry was like

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<v Speaker 3>one of our heroes. Every time he got on the keyboards,

0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.400
<v Speaker 3>it was him and then another guy named Marlon Saunders

0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:24.320
<v Speaker 3>who would get on. And what's that other guy, Gordon

0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Gordon Chamber of course, of course Gordon Chambers was like

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Cam and Raymond.

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<v Speaker 1>Angry it was like yeah, when they get on, when

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<v Speaker 1>they get.

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<v Speaker 2>Sign I said this, yea, yes man. It was like

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<v Speaker 2>gods to us, we just watched them in awe and

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<v Speaker 2>just why did you what did you do?

0:15:48.920 --> 0:15:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Like why are your fingers? Is know?

0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Raymond was I mean, I mean he was one of

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<v Speaker 2>those people that we just we couldn't wait to be

0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.200
<v Speaker 2>around Sebastian. It was like, you know, and because we

0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:02.880
<v Speaker 2>spent so much time over their house, you know that

0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:06.760
<v Speaker 2>they said Big Ray really brought us in. But like

0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.480
<v Speaker 2>we spent a lot of time because Kendric's father, Kendric's grandfather,

0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.320
<v Speaker 2>his grandfather, and my grandfather. They his grandfather was the

0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.800
<v Speaker 2>pastor of the church. His grandfather was the pastors of

0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:21.600
<v Speaker 2>My grandfather was one of the associate pastors and like

0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, been to being a bishop and basically was

0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.080
<v Speaker 2>like really involved. They were like best friends and you know,

0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.240
<v Speaker 2>just really really an ill connection. And of course Ray's

0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:34.200
<v Speaker 2>dad was like literally so involved with the church and

0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:35.920
<v Speaker 2>they involved all the kids in the church. So these

0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:39.040
<v Speaker 2>are things that you know, when I was in Miami

0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.920
<v Speaker 2>living with my grandparents, there was a major like a

0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.880
<v Speaker 2>major shift in my life, right and then my mother

0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:48.360
<v Speaker 2>comes and gets me, you know, go back to Houston.

0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.640
<v Speaker 2>But I would go to Miami every summer, so you

0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.800
<v Speaker 2>go to my vacation Bible school, you go to you

0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.080
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? He did all like literally, so

0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I was getting a proper like balance, right cause I

0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.280
<v Speaker 2>would come back, I would go to Houston. I would

0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:03.560
<v Speaker 2>go back, come back to Uston with my mom and

0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.480
<v Speaker 2>my aunts, and you know, they was outside. You know

0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.960
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. You know, my aunties was outside school.

0:17:11.400 --> 0:17:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I was.

0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.200
<v Speaker 2>I went to the elementary school for two years in Miami,

0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.280
<v Speaker 2>but then for the rest of my time it was

0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:19.439
<v Speaker 2>in Houston. So when I would come back to when

0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I would go to Houston for school, my mom and

0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.520
<v Speaker 2>them outside bro Thursday night, I stay at the club.

0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they was outside. And my mom every week would

0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:28.960
<v Speaker 2>go to the records so it's the record store and

0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.080
<v Speaker 2>he used to call sound waves. She go to recorster

0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.560
<v Speaker 2>every week get new records. If would get you know,

0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.200
<v Speaker 2>all the new ship. So she was up on a

0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:37.960
<v Speaker 2>new ship. My aunts all up on a new ship.

0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.760
<v Speaker 2>And I was the person that was like in the

0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.840
<v Speaker 2>middle of it all, Like that was my interest, Like

0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.480
<v Speaker 2>none of my cousins were interested in. That was my interest,

0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Like what new records you're getting this week? You know

0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:53.720
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. And then at this point, so I

0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.760
<v Speaker 2>would say, I mean, it's happening at a very young age.

0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.119
<v Speaker 2>I remember specifically, this is crazy. I remember specifically. I

0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.560
<v Speaker 2>have a really wild memory, and I have to be

0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.520
<v Speaker 2>at this point. I couldn't have been I might have

0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:10.560
<v Speaker 2>been six, right, And my mother came home with a

0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.000
<v Speaker 2>stack of records. Yo, I'll never forget it. It was

0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:22.320
<v Speaker 2>because She's first album, Prince nineteen ninety nine, Freaking Spiral Gyra,

0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Yellowjacket's second album. It was like a bunch of just

0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.639
<v Speaker 2>different styles of records, right, and this got it like

0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.480
<v Speaker 2>eighty three eighty four, and my mom was just were

0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.520
<v Speaker 2>just going through the records and that was like it's

0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:37.080
<v Speaker 2>like Gap Band five, jamming the record with Party Train

0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:42.439
<v Speaker 2>and then listening to these records. I was always entrance

0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.000
<v Speaker 2>with how these records were made. And there's a record

0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:50.439
<v Speaker 2>on Gap Band five specifically called I'm Ready that's like

0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:52.720
<v Speaker 2>this record to this day is like one of the

0:18:52.760 --> 0:18:54.359
<v Speaker 2>most amazing records to me, is like I don't know

0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.240
<v Speaker 2>if you guys even notice record, but it's a super

0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.600
<v Speaker 2>album company, It's a smash. It's like a record that

0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.160
<v Speaker 2>really should have been a single, right, it's like, yeah,

0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:04.680
<v Speaker 2>to this day, is that one of the records, Like

0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:06.560
<v Speaker 2>you're out there, You're gonna be like, why wasn't this

0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.520
<v Speaker 2>song or single? Like it was one of them kind

0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:13.680
<v Speaker 2>of things. And for me, I always proud of myself

0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.879
<v Speaker 2>at finding those, like listening to whole albums and finding

0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.800
<v Speaker 2>records that it was kind of like that nobody listened

0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.879
<v Speaker 2>to that I liked, you know what I mean, and

0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.280
<v Speaker 2>that and I would attach myself too, you know what

0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and like I want to learn this song,

0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.159
<v Speaker 2>I want to play this song, sing this song, you

0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:30.800
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. So there was a record like

0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.480
<v Speaker 2>an earth Wind and Fire's Power Light album and the

0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.200
<v Speaker 2>shill used to make me sing all the time. It's

0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.280
<v Speaker 2>record calls Straight from the Heart that was written by

0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Philip Eddie del Barrio. I know that record and it

0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:42.960
<v Speaker 2>was like the last song on Saturday, and it was like,

0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:47.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, such a random ass. It's like almost like

0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.040
<v Speaker 2>there's a record on earth Wind Fire seventy seven album

0:19:50.119 --> 0:19:53.719
<v Speaker 2>call All in All called I Write a Song for You.

0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Straight from the Heart is like part two of that song.

0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.439
<v Speaker 2>Right if if you listen to books songs, it's like

0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:05.000
<v Speaker 2>this is a continuation of that song, right, And music

0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.040
<v Speaker 2>was such a major part.

0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Of obviously like right now, yeah you're going.

0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.119
<v Speaker 2>There, Like music was such a major part of like

0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:17.760
<v Speaker 2>everything in my life, you know what I'm saying. And

0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I remember I always tell people, like the first birthday

0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.960
<v Speaker 2>gift I ever got when I turned six and eighty three,

0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the first birthday I got was James Album's Cold Blooded.

0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:33.359
<v Speaker 2>My mom bought me Cold Blooded. Still I still have

0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:34.359
<v Speaker 2>that album.

0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I knew I liked this.

0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.200
<v Speaker 2>So literally that was the first album I ever got

0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.320
<v Speaker 2>in my life. She bought me for my six six

0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:43.880
<v Speaker 2>years old.

0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:51.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know, my son, I was just outside, was outside,

0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:52.159
<v Speaker 3>there was outside this.

0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's what it was. But she bought me

0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:59.919
<v Speaker 2>the James Cold Blooded album and never forget it. You know,

0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 2>I remember, I remember opening the album. I remember, you know,

0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.719
<v Speaker 2>her writing my name on the album, opening album, pulling

0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:10.119
<v Speaker 2>the credits out and it was black and the Gordy label.

0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.160
<v Speaker 2>I remember everything about it, you know what I'm saying.

0:21:12.200 --> 0:21:15.639
<v Speaker 2>I remember dropping the kneel on certain records and you know,

0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:18.879
<v Speaker 2>like Ebony Eyes and you know Mary had a pimp

0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:20.080
<v Speaker 2>and records like that, you know what I mean.

0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm six years old by Mary.

0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Had a b I p you know what I'm saying,

0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, but I remember I remember being in amber

0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:34.840
<v Speaker 2>with the sound of Cold Blood, like why those those

0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:37.480
<v Speaker 2>drums sound like that? Like what is that? What is

0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.919
<v Speaker 2>the what is that? What is about that record that

0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:43.920
<v Speaker 2>makes it? You know what I mean? And my mom

0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:47.480
<v Speaker 2>was a huge Prince fan also, so she had every

0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.919
<v Speaker 2>Prince album and I remember, you know, I said night time.

0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.679
<v Speaker 2>I remember she bought nineteen and I remember opening an

0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:56.080
<v Speaker 2>album and the eye on the album, and I remember

0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.119
<v Speaker 2>everything about the process of it. And I remember they

0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.119
<v Speaker 2>went to the concert was Triple Threat concert. I remember

0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:03.040
<v Speaker 2>them like we're going to come her Aunt, just getting ready.

0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.240
<v Speaker 2>I remember this shit vividly, you know what I'm saying.

0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.480
<v Speaker 2>It's like as a kid, like why why do I

0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:10.720
<v Speaker 2>remember this? Yeah? You know what I mean. There was

0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.880
<v Speaker 2>something that was out. This was something I was supposed

0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.680
<v Speaker 2>to do. When the music is in you, it's going

0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:22.919
<v Speaker 2>to like when you have those moments where the music

0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:26.600
<v Speaker 2>is tapping into so I don't even know what to

0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.720
<v Speaker 2>call it, but when the music is calling you in

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:33.920
<v Speaker 2>a certain way or trying to get your attention, there's

0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:37.040
<v Speaker 2>always a moment in time that you can connect to

0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:40.480
<v Speaker 2>that no matter how small you are. I have so

0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:42.720
<v Speaker 2>many of those moments. I have moments like a moment

0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.480
<v Speaker 2>where I'm sitting there watching my uncle get dressed. He

0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.240
<v Speaker 2>getting ready to go out on the date, and he's

0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.840
<v Speaker 2>just every time he goes from his room to the bathroom,

0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:53.160
<v Speaker 2>he giving me some more game, you know what I'm saying.

0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 1>So you got to make sure you shave. You know

0:22:54.560 --> 0:22:57.600
<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying, A shave for me? Like yeah, he

0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 1>really talking to himself.

0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah for you that give it to you.

0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm a kid kid, and he's got magic shad you know.

0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's the eighties. Get that off your face

0:23:13.640 --> 0:23:16.679
<v Speaker 2>for your face burn up around. He doing that, and

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.439
<v Speaker 2>then he got the smell. The smell good. And then

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:20.960
<v Speaker 2>you gotta make sure you smell good. You know what

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:22.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying That for you got to make sure. But

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:28.879
<v Speaker 2>all I hear in the background is not the side show.

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Can ye he got that's I can see it.

0:23:32.680 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I can see me sitting at my grandmother's kitchen table

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:35.919
<v Speaker 1>and watching him walk back.

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<v Speaker 2>And forth, and he's but he's said in the tone

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:39.919
<v Speaker 2>he said, in the mood for the night gonna be

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:42.160
<v Speaker 2>for him. So he got the music going. He's like, yeah,

0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:45.679
<v Speaker 2>nigg I'm about to get you know, he's about to

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<v Speaker 2>go that I'm not used to make these keyboards that

0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:07.399
<v Speaker 2>were like consumer keyboards called portasound keyboards, right and so,

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:10.920
<v Speaker 2>so okay, granted, equipment was super expensive right forever and

0:24:10.960 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 2>never there back in the day, you know what I mean.

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:14.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, you couldn't send clavi here. It was like

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:16.880
<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand dollars, you know what I mean. Like, so

0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 2>what companies started doing when they started making consumer based

0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.719
<v Speaker 2>like instruments, you know what I mean? Versions, Yeah, yeah,

0:24:26.800 --> 0:24:30.119
<v Speaker 2>And Yamaha was one of the first to make a

0:24:30.160 --> 0:24:33.800
<v Speaker 2>consumer you know some you could buy several merchandise or

0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:37.440
<v Speaker 2>you know random you know, like at a department store.

0:24:37.800 --> 0:24:40.480
<v Speaker 2>They want the first to do it and PSR five.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think my I think my keyboard was like

0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 2>it might have been seven hundred bucks, like six hundred

0:24:45.840 --> 0:24:47.679
<v Speaker 2>bucks some of that, you know what I mean, a

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:51.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of For my mom to dropped six hundred, seven

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:57.719
<v Speaker 2>hundreds on the keyboard, It's like, okay, nigga, you better right,

0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 2>So so I couldn't have been on more than at

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<v Speaker 2>the time when I got the keyboup it might have

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 2>been eleven right keyboard, and I remember just breaking down

0:25:10.480 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 2>this keyboard, breaking it down like reading the reading the

0:25:13.320 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 2>man or breaking it down, breaking it down to what

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:19.280
<v Speaker 2>happens is that they had four I'm sorry, there are

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 2>four pre set beats and the keyboards like basically showing

0:25:24.119 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 2>you the sounds it would give you, like whatever. So

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:30.160
<v Speaker 2>in these four presets, I figured out a way where

0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:36.160
<v Speaker 2>you can erase the presets and make your own sequences.

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 4>And you wasn't supposed to do that because this was

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 4>just kind of like a demo demo.

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 2>It was you know, you get a keyboard as a demo,

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.640
<v Speaker 2>it's a demo. But I was like, nah, let's figure out.

0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>And it was a way you could erased the demo

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 2>and you couldn't save it. You couldn't save your practic.

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.200
<v Speaker 2>But what I would do is I would just make

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>tracks because I had to share hooked up to a

0:25:57.240 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 2>little tape deck, make test paredess on the track, on

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:03.880
<v Speaker 2>order on the tape, make four tracks the race, make

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 2>four new tracks race and if something, if something stuck right,

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 2>something that was like oh this is okay, this is

0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 2>really good, right, then I would say okay, if I

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:17.919
<v Speaker 2>had to make it again, I would make it again

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:20.399
<v Speaker 2>to see if I could do it again or do

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:23.600
<v Speaker 2>it better. Right, you don't even know that you're actually

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 2>fine tuning. I didn't even know. I was plying to you,

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. I'm just like, Okay, can

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:31.040
<v Speaker 2>I make this track again? You know what I'm saying.

0:26:31.160 --> 0:26:34.160
<v Speaker 2>And what happened was in the short term, I would

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you're young and you want you know,

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 2>at this point, it might have been maybe thirteen or

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 2>fourteen when this happened, thirteen, and we'll start going to

0:26:42.960 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 2>sing in groups. You know. Well, I've been in church

0:26:44.840 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 2>and all everybody want to start doing groups. Was popping, shy,

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 2>was out boys, some men's everybody, you know what I mean.

0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 2>So everybody want to start having groups. So I was

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.639
<v Speaker 2>in a group, you know what I mean, and I

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:56.840
<v Speaker 2>was like the you know, the music guy in the group,

0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:59.120
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. I was at a divinete

0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>or the Teddy right, and and in the midst of that,

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 2>there was a there was a friend of ours. So

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 2>I was in a group with my best friends at

0:27:09.119 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 2>the time, uh Scooby, Troy Clark and his brother Trevor,

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>and we uh they were they knew this guy right,

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:19.560
<v Speaker 2>who was in a group called groove View. I don't

0:27:19.560 --> 0:27:21.400
<v Speaker 2>know if you guys mayor I don't know, you may

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>remember this group. They were signed to Atlantic Records. Group

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 2>called groove View. Troy Taylor wrote and produced their first

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>single song called Old Becomes the New. They were from Houston, right.

0:27:31.160 --> 0:27:33.159
<v Speaker 2>The guy in the group, his name was Tron Mitchell,

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:38.280
<v Speaker 2>and I went to school with his sister, right, Laurie

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 2>and my friends they knew him, they were in a

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.240
<v Speaker 2>group before that. He was kind of like developing. So

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 2>they told him about me the host, this kid, this

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.800
<v Speaker 2>guy we're working with, you know, Brian or whatever. And

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Laurie told him about me. Laurie's in a group of

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.199
<v Speaker 2>my cousin Talia. So it was like interesting. Houston was

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 2>an interesting space, that interesting place that at that time,

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 2>because it was like all these groups popping up. You know,

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 2>girls time was pop was popping. This is pre Desate,

0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>so girl's time was popping. All these groups are popping up,

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:08.880
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>And all y'all, all y'all going to school together too.

0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 2>We all know each other in an interesting way because

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 2>there was this thing that kind of brought us together

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 2>called the People's workshop. So the People's Workshop was like, well,

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 2>all these kids will come and compete, and and like

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, between People's Workshop and a SOO and things

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 2>of that nature, kids started knowing each other through these competitions.

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 2>That's actually how I met Robert glasper okay, through the

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:37.320
<v Speaker 2>People's Through through the People's Workshop. That's a whole nother

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 2>story that too. So so t Tryn Mitchell. He hears

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>some of the songs or some of the tracks that

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 2>was making. He was like, this, you make a track,

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 2>some come on to your house. Tea had like an

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:52.600
<v Speaker 2>a SR ten all kind of shit at this house,

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. He was cooking with grease right,

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.040
<v Speaker 2>here's my tracks. He's like, yo, man, what you're working on?

0:28:57.160 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>So I got this little keyboard, you know. He's like,

0:28:58.640 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 2>you're making all that on that ship.

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like to come to my house, you know. So

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 2>go to his house and he shows me it's as

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 2>R ten and shows me all. I'm like, oh shit,

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.600
<v Speaker 2>this is some that was like that shit blew my

0:29:10.640 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>mind next level, you know what I mean, I completely

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>blew my mind right, And he kind of took us

0:29:16.840 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 2>under his wing and was like yo, boom, you know.

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 2>They would They were SCIENTI Atlantic at the time. So

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 2>he would go to New York they make their records

0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>this then and the third, and he would come back

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.479
<v Speaker 2>and he would play us these records, you know, and

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 2>like and I don't think that he even knew or

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 2>maybe he knew, maybe he knew that he was what

0:29:34.640 --> 0:29:38.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of energy he was putting into me personally, because

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 2>I would hear these records, I'm like, damn, I records

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 2>something like that. How can I remember a reconsiand like that,

0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So he was working with

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:46.080
<v Speaker 2>people like Troy Taylor. They was working with Gordon had

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:47.600
<v Speaker 2>done a bunch of stuff on him. They had a

0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 2>real budget. Yeah, they had a budget. They had a budget.

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Craig was spending money on him, you know what I'm saying.

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 2>They at the time they went in with like uh,

0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.959
<v Speaker 2>Kenny Smooth and all these They were making some records,

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. Then they they made some

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 2>records with a young Donelle Jones. This is before Donelle

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 2>was Donelle was just a producer at Untouchables. And he

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>would come back. T would come back with these demos

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 2>like Yo, Donald wrote us another one playing some this

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 2>shit is crazy, you know, I mean, you know what

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean. And I'd be like, yo, I gotta get

0:30:18.000 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 2>my records to sound like this, you know what I mean.

0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:24.280
<v Speaker 2>In the midst of this, I meet who would end

0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>up becoming like my main mentor for many years, Greg Curtis.

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 2>In the midst of Greg Curtis. So in the midst

0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 2>of all this happening with me, T in my group

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.239
<v Speaker 2>and this, that and the third T was managed by

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 2>this guy named abd Lamar. And abid Lamar was kim

0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Olajawana's cousin. He was the one that made the dealer

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 2>at Atlantic, but he was also managing Greg Curtis. So

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 2>T text me to Abby's office or my keyboard, my

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 2>keyboard that speakers in this. So I just bring my

0:30:53.720 --> 0:31:00.239
<v Speaker 2>keyboard to the to the fucking office. T was like, Yo, man,

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 2>press play on Abbey. So press play on Abby. Is

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:06.680
<v Speaker 2>like there's African Oh shit, oh shit, oh this coming

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 2>out of the keyboard. Oh, I'm gonna called Greg. Now

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 2>he calls Greg. He's like, Greg, you gotta come up here, nigga,

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 2>you gotta come up here. This little nigga comes. He

0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 2>got a little keyboard with speakers on his niggas playing.

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>He's going crazy, right, So that Greg pulls up. Greg

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 2>actually comes to the now for us, now you understand

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 2>for me, I was going to HSPVA at the time

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>I was at I was in high school. I was

0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:31.480
<v Speaker 2>going to HSPVA, which is the same school Greg graduated

0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:36.120
<v Speaker 2>from years before. Secondly, for us, Greg Curtis was already

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 2>a legend in the city from a gospel perspective, Rochester

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Prailway feel on Adams. He literally had been, you know,

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:44.960
<v Speaker 2>on tour with everybody from Keith Sweat to Black Street

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>to Tony Tony two. He was like the guy you

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. He was just like so he's like,

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Greg is coming to the office on my bugging, like,

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>oh shit, Greg is coming to the office.

0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean.

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Greg comes to the office and I pressed play on me,

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 2>like you that's coming out of that. He's like, Okay,

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 2>get in the car with me right now. So I

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>take my keyboard and get a car in go to

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 2>his house. Greg has this like Wold studio in his

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 2>crib and he's like, Yo, I'm gonna show you. I'm

0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 2>gonna literally show you how to really do this. He

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>literally showed me how to produce it. Like from that day.

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 2>For it was, I was at his house down there

0:32:25.680 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 2>every day, you know what I mean, Like literally.

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>What was what was he? What was his setup?

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 2>He had the Oh no he was he was the

0:32:33.240 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 2>ship Greg had. Back in those days, everybody was using

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 2>drum machines like NBC. He he was different. He had

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 2>the fucking Mac. He had a Mac. This is in

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 2>the mid nineties. He had a Mac with performing. I

0:32:47.520 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't even performed this before. It was regular performer with

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 2>the mo too, you know, interface, the whole like the bridge.

0:32:56.560 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 2>He had two D eighty eights. He had like you know,

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:04.640
<v Speaker 2>some outboard, some outboard reverb delay, the delayed stuff you know,

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.320
<v Speaker 2>going on. But he had eight eighty to ten eighty

0:33:09.000 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 2>the se one you know I mean. But what was

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 2>ill was that he had the ship. Like here, everything

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>programm is his computer. The patches were in his computer.

0:33:18.360 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 2>So if I wanted to go to like a No.

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Lone guitar, I could just go to the computer and

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 2>do it. And this is about now. The ship sounds

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 2>like regular, but in like nineteen ninety four, that shit

0:33:27.440 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 2>was like the most and most incredible shit ever. Put

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:33.280
<v Speaker 2>a patch on you know what I mean, on the

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:36.080
<v Speaker 2>computer and actually make an eight part sequence and do

0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>double like it was ill, you know what I mean?

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:43.480
<v Speaker 2>And he basically at that point it was like yo,

0:33:43.640 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 2>you with me, you know, took him in his wing

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and taught me everything that I needed to know before

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I came to Atlanta. Right, so check right in the

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 2>midst of this, of all of this, my senior year

0:33:56.320 --> 0:34:01.000
<v Speaker 2>high school happens ninety five coming see high school. Who

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 2>fucking walks in orientation? Fucking Beyonce in LaToya walking orientation? Right,

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 2>because they're freshmen at our high school. Okay, somebody to

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.359
<v Speaker 2>talk has been talk about them, like we knew where

0:34:16.320 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 2>they were from people's workshop, but now it's been talking

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:21.919
<v Speaker 2>about them because they you know, God there got signed.

0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 2>They was about to get suned to Columbia, and it

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:25.319
<v Speaker 2>was like a big It was like talk about them, right,

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 2>but I hadn't seen them stay It was like, you know,

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 2>ten or eleven at this point that girls, yeah, like thirteen,

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:35.000
<v Speaker 2>fourteen at this point I'm seventeen. You know what I'm saying.

0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 2>They walked. Beyonce is a grown ass woman. Niggas at

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>the school is going crazy. Niggas at the school, going like, yo,

0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 2>I know, you don't know them.

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I was, I do know them freshmen.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 5>It just.

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Niggas at the school of.

0:34:54.280 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I could do two more years, Nigga that school lose.

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 2>In their mind, right, But I already knew them the

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 2>whole nine. So we get the talking and you know,

0:35:07.080 --> 0:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>of course there's always a common thread. We all we

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 2>came up together and in that people's workshop, Vive. So

0:35:15.640 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 2>she tells me like, yo, hey man, you know we

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 2>we you know, we're going to Sacramento. Were working with Dwayne,

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Dwayne Wiggins, you know. So basically that that period when

0:35:28.040 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 2>they were going doing those records with Dwayne, I would

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 2>I was running my mom's phone, Villa. Basically I was

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 2>calling them, like yo, play some over the phone. I

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 2>was just trying to get any little bit of inspirational

0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 2>information that I could get. And I mean I knew them. Beyonce, Kelly,

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.520
<v Speaker 2>LaTavia Latoy, I knew him well. So they were they

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:49.360
<v Speaker 2>were you know, we have a caller like Brian. But

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 2>listen to this song they played, you know, you know,

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:54.600
<v Speaker 2>human Nature, they played on second Nature. They played those

0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 2>regular regular they plays songs, and I'm just like, oh, man,

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 2>I gotta fucking figure this out. You know, It's like

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 2>a thing like it became a mad dash, almost like

0:36:05.280 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>a race to figure it out.

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Because you keep hearing these new levels of music and

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 1>you're like, but that are people that are connected to them.

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Know directly, you know what I mean?

0:36:14.880 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Same friend groups, age group. I'm like, I gotta that.

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.360
<v Speaker 1>We've all been there where.

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 4>It's like you think you're doing something and then you

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.879
<v Speaker 4>hear the next level and you're like, you know what

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:32.319
<v Speaker 4>they're about to ask me to play these records.

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say, I got it. You know, I ain't

0:36:35.680 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>bring thathing. Man, I just came to hang out, be skipping.

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:39.799
<v Speaker 1>It's been skipping time.

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 4>You know when you're not on the level or you

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 4>should you should know because where somebody didn't know and

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:49.320
<v Speaker 4>they still wanted to play it because they got excited.

0:36:49.920 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 1>And I always looked at them for those records always.

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:53.399
<v Speaker 1>That's very tough.

0:36:54.400 --> 0:36:56.760
<v Speaker 2>That was the That's where I learned the biggest lesson

0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>when I would hear the records like I'm not ready yet,

0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:02.920
<v Speaker 2>and I was saying to myself, like you're not ready right.

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 2>See what happened was I had a crazy breakthrough right

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 2>one day Beyonce calls me, or that one of the girls,

0:37:09.160 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 2>either Beyonce or LaToya, one of them called me like, hey,

0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:15.919
<v Speaker 2>we told Matthew about the song that I would pestered

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:20.399
<v Speaker 2>them like yo, hey, come in the room, practice room.

0:37:20.400 --> 0:37:22.000
<v Speaker 2>I got a song, another song. I'm playing songs for

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:23.400
<v Speaker 2>them because I was run of the one people that

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 2>really knew that the deal, that their deal was done.

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:28.320
<v Speaker 1>It was like a rumor they still going to school.

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:29.840
<v Speaker 2>They was in school. But I was like one of

0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.520
<v Speaker 2>the only people that knew that the deal was actually finished, right,

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 2>And they let me know that.

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.719
<v Speaker 7>So I would always hand them like I got another song,

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 7>you know.

0:37:37.200 --> 0:37:39.600
<v Speaker 2>And one day I got a call like, hey, we

0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:42.040
<v Speaker 2>want to come do that song whatever song you was singing,

0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 2>that they will come do that song. I was like okay,

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>So I'm calling Greg and call the tea and like, hey,

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 2>they want to come do songs, you know whatever. So

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 2>they came and they did. We did two songs together.

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 2>We did a song called Sweety Pine and we did

0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>a song called hey DJ right. And I think Greg

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 2>actually still has actually has the song still. I believe

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 2>it's still as them because if it does, I'm pretty

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:04.919
<v Speaker 2>sure he does I'm pretty sure it does because Greg

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:05.399
<v Speaker 2>is good.

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:06.879
<v Speaker 7>We're keeping ship. I'm pretty sure he does.

0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 2>So we made the songs and I will never forget

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:16.000
<v Speaker 2>this because this was the day that I knew. I

0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:18.919
<v Speaker 2>was like, Okay, I'm fun being in the group. Fuck

0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:21.920
<v Speaker 2>being you know what I'm saying, Like, that's not what

0:38:21.960 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 2>I want to do. This is what I want to do.

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 2>I remember, I remember it vividly. It was like, okay,

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:29.839
<v Speaker 2>you know when you have a basically like Okay, I'm

0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 2>in a group and we're trying to figure it out,

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:33.840
<v Speaker 2>but I want to write for this person. But it

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:38.600
<v Speaker 2>was like when I had this session, it was like, yeah, nah,

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:40.960
<v Speaker 2>this is this is it? This is it? Like I

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 2>don't I don't want to be performed. I don't want

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:42.880
<v Speaker 2>to do that.

0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:44.839
<v Speaker 1>What was it about the session? Was it? Was it

0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:46.640
<v Speaker 1>the way that the music turned out? Was it?

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 2>It was the way it turned out, but also the

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:50.920
<v Speaker 2>way that they were like the should do something out

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 2>at them, the way they was giving it back. I

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.560
<v Speaker 2>never experienced that. It was beyond saying Kelly in the

0:38:56.600 --> 0:39:01.720
<v Speaker 2>studio and I had. I never experienced giving giving somebody

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:05.279
<v Speaker 2>something like a line or giving them something and they

0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:06.680
<v Speaker 2>give it back to me in a way. It was like,

0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:08.920
<v Speaker 2>oh that shit was perfect, you know what I mean.

0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Like it was like I never produced, like you you're

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 2>pucing in the group and you're producing yourselves, and you

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:16.600
<v Speaker 2>know you don't really you know, I don't.

0:39:16.840 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 7>I thought I knew what I was doing, you know

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:18.879
<v Speaker 7>what I mean.

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 2>But you know, just we just try and shit, you

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, to give instruction and to hear

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.680
<v Speaker 2>it back the way that it was coming back to me,

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.319
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. And I'm like everything they

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:34.759
<v Speaker 2>was doing, I'm like, wait a second, and was ill,

0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>as I would tell me all the time, Like these

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:41.359
<v Speaker 2>girls were way advanced, Like they were so advanced. It

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 2>was just I never experienced anything like that. I was like, okay,

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 2>all right. First of all, these girls are going to

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 2>be superstars. That was the first thing. Second thing, I

0:39:51.200 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 2>was like, this is exactly what I want to do,

0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 2>because if I'm able to throw something out of somebody

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:57.399
<v Speaker 2>and then give it back to me the way that

0:39:57.760 --> 0:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>these people are giving it back to me, then I

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 2>don't need to be singing because they got it, you

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:08.120
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. It was kind of like that,

0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 2>like Kelly got it, like I ain't got it.

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:12.760
<v Speaker 1>But being able to identify that as a gift in itself.

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 2>So fast forward when I started to come to Atlanta.

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I remember coming to Atlanta. What made you come to Atlanta?

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 1>Man, was college just to come tolt?

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:26.719
<v Speaker 2>No, it was it was a girl. Yeah, it was

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 2>a lady real R and.

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:33.319
<v Speaker 1>B R and B. I mean, I'm sure you're not

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 1>with her anymore, but you know.

0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she's still a great friend. Was still she

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 2>still get no, but no, she it's crazy.

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:48.920
<v Speaker 7>Recently we we had a reconnection.

0:40:49.040 --> 0:40:50.959
<v Speaker 2>Recently. She came to the Usher Show and we talked

0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 2>about this and I was like, I had to give

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:56.280
<v Speaker 2>her a props, like, hey, you know, like I wouldn't

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.399
<v Speaker 2>have came down to have one for you. I came

0:40:58.480 --> 0:40:59.799
<v Speaker 2>because of you, because I was going to New York.

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 1>She lived in Atlanta, and you know she no, she

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 1>was in Houston.

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:06.759
<v Speaker 2>So his deal. I graduate high school and I stayed

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:11.880
<v Speaker 2>in Houston for her stay in Houston. I didn't go

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't go to the college house. I went to

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 2>University of Houston. All that woman to stay with my

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.040
<v Speaker 2>woman because she was a year behind me. You know

0:41:20.080 --> 0:41:23.120
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. She she's about to graduate and she

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:25.759
<v Speaker 2>gets set to all these schools and she's like, I'm

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 2>going to Atlanta. And I'm like, well, we're going to Atlanta.

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:35.800
<v Speaker 2>You going me? We got accepted, were going to Atlanta.

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:38.479
<v Speaker 2>I did everything I could to get to give that.

0:41:38.520 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 2>I got I got you. Oh yeah, got out of there.

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 2>Were right to Clark. I was I was trying to

0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:49.680
<v Speaker 2>go to the New School, driving Glassboro. I got graduated.

0:41:50.520 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 2>He was going to the new School, and he introduced

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:54.760
<v Speaker 2>me to the dean and everything, and I was talking

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to her and I was going to try to go

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:56.720
<v Speaker 2>to the new school.

0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:57.479
<v Speaker 1>What is the new school?

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 2>What is that? Uh? The school in Manhattan is a

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 2>jazz school in Manhattan.

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you gonna go about to fully be immersed in music.

0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was going to go to the I was

0:42:09.160 --> 0:42:11.360
<v Speaker 2>trying to and he had already, like I said, I

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:13.000
<v Speaker 2>already talked to the dean a few times. We were

0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure it out. And when she told me

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>she was going to Atlanta, I was like.

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:17.839
<v Speaker 7>Well, I want to go to New York.

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll see you, Robert, I see to Atlanta. And ultimately

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 2>I remember rationalizing it because I was like, well, I

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 2>mean Atlanta's where At the time, this is ninety seven.

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta was cracking, cracky.

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it's really a it makes sense.

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:38.000
<v Speaker 2>It makes us me to go ahead because I'll be

0:42:38.040 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 2>able to really follow what I'm trying to follow, you

0:42:40.680 --> 0:42:41.920
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And the only way I get

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 2>that support from my mom is if I go to school.

0:42:44.440 --> 0:42:48.440
<v Speaker 2>So I was able to get a Scott Scholarship at Clark,

0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and I was able to get grants and a kind

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:51.919
<v Speaker 2>of different things whatever I could grade, so it wasn't

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:55.759
<v Speaker 2>a problem. And ended up going to Clark and I

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.360
<v Speaker 2>came to Atlanta and I remember the first thing that

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 2>I did was I opened up the white Pages. This

0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>is something you know, if you guys may not notice,

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:04.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, young age, I don't know about the white pages.

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Y'all could Google. You know, back in the day, we

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>ain't have Google. We had the White Pages. You know

0:43:08.280 --> 0:43:12.359
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. And be me being an avid credit reader.

0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:14.759
<v Speaker 2>I knew all the studios and a new doppler. I

0:43:15.480 --> 0:43:18.239
<v Speaker 2>knew Licco, I knew Purple Drag, and I knew all

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:19.960
<v Speaker 2>the like, all the names of the studios. I just

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 2>opened up and highlighted all the studios and we just

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:25.440
<v Speaker 2>call try to get internships, you know what I'm saying,

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 2>And this is why I was going to school and

0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 2>still doing what I was doing. But I was like, man,

0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I got to get on and I didn't realize how

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 2>hard it was getting internship, you know what I mean.

0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:36.400
<v Speaker 2>It was like they had all these stipulations. I'm like,

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I'm trying to work for free. Y'all got

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.319
<v Speaker 2>work for free, you know, But it was a lot

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 2>of stipulations to get internships. And I remember, you know,

0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:48.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm I called every place I could call. And then

0:43:48.320 --> 0:43:50.880
<v Speaker 2>I remember on campus one day, you know, on campus

0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:54.799
<v Speaker 2>they have like all of them. Yeah, so they have

0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:57.440
<v Speaker 2>all of the like street promo back in the day,

0:43:57.440 --> 0:43:59.320
<v Speaker 2>it was like street promotions was big, you know what

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, all to post it was like, yeah, so

0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:08.279
<v Speaker 2>it was there was it was. It was you know,

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:10.920
<v Speaker 2>trip Bunch was a big deal back then. And I

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 2>remember seeing a flyer man. It was a flyer that

0:44:12.840 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>was like you know, noontime you know music hit Man, this,

0:44:17.000 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 2>that and the third Boom Boom and it was like

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:21.520
<v Speaker 2>Jake up Dan Teddy Bishop on the fly the flyer

0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:23.840
<v Speaker 2>k Fan Boom. We named all the producers and it

0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, we got we're doing hits for it

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 2>was a puff Daddy, Brandy, all these different people and

0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:29.880
<v Speaker 2>it was like looking for banging beats called this number

0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:32.040
<v Speaker 2>and it was that was on a flyer. It was

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:33.719
<v Speaker 2>like on a random ass flyer. And I was like,

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 2>what unless you kind of google my money? Early on,

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 2>early on, I was kind of like I didn't cause

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what to do. I didn't know. I

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:50.880
<v Speaker 2>was like I don't know what the fuck to do?

0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:52.400
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I had,

0:44:52.440 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I had a girlfriend. I was like I

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:56.279
<v Speaker 2>was spending money on her. But I wasn't like I

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 2>didn't know what the fuck to do. It didn't I

0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't really go crazy manute till like later later I

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 2>went crazy, you've purchased? Oh man, I went, I bought

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:12.320
<v Speaker 2>a Bentley Cash. I bought, I bought, I bought a

0:45:12.400 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 2>flying spread cash. I just went right to the spot.

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Was like yo, I called my, my, my my. I

0:45:19.120 --> 0:45:22.080
<v Speaker 2>did a new publishing deal and I was on on

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>on the you know you wait on the phone. I

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:26.560
<v Speaker 2>went on the line for the for the clearance, like

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I signed a contract and my mom and Chris we

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 2>all worked it out. I signed a contract and I

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:34.360
<v Speaker 2>was at the Lermitage. I never forget it. I was

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:36.760
<v Speaker 2>a Rmitage hotel, just kind of in the hotel waiting

0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:38.239
<v Speaker 2>for the call.

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:39.640
<v Speaker 1>It's not happening fast enough.

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm just happened just how I signed the contry this morning.

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 2>I faxed it over on. They got my banking information, like.

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't afford it.

0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm just sitting there waiting, waiting, and then my mom calls.

0:45:53.440 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 2>She's like, Okay, you can go check that camp. And

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like she was, I said, you checked. I

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:05.040
<v Speaker 2>checked there, but you need to go check it. I'm

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:06.920
<v Speaker 2>not gonna tell you what's in there. You go check it.

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 2>And I remember I wanted to go. I called the bank.

0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like, hey, what's you know? They gave me

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 2>the what I got, They gave me the balance. Yeah,

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:19.240
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, nigga. I called Beverly Hills Bentley.

0:46:19.360 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 2>I caught a phone with them, picked the phone up,

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 2>called Beverly Hills Bentley. Immediately. It wasn't even two seconds.

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:28.279
<v Speaker 2>It was like, cause that's there, and I knew the

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 2>deal was hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

0:46:30.880 --> 0:46:32.920
<v Speaker 2>I knew the deal was coming right, so we are

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of been prepping me. Christ and Jahad kind of

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:36.279
<v Speaker 2>being they kind of prepping me for the money, like

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 2>yo Christ Joh, like yo cocks. All right, when the

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:40.760
<v Speaker 2>money head, you gotta chill out. And they were already

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:43.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of prepping me, and I was just like, okay, cool,

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:44.799
<v Speaker 2>you know cause I've been in LA for a few

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 2>weeks working and I'm like cool, all right cause I'm

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:49.360
<v Speaker 2>like the money a day on my tripping, you know

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.880
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. So I remember JAHI it took me

0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 2>a few days before took me to like go test

0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 2>drive some cars. I just like, go test drive this

0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Porsch'm gonna test drive this, asked him, mark, this bank, this,

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:01.839
<v Speaker 2>this band. Let me go test. I was test driving everything, right.

0:47:01.800 --> 0:47:03.680
<v Speaker 2>I remember my test rode the Flying Spur and I

0:47:03.760 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, I'm gonna get this motherfucker.

0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:10.680
<v Speaker 7>You don't want to show you what it's like?

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Man? You sure you don't want to just go get

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:13.799
<v Speaker 2>just get a nine eleven man, And just you know,

0:47:14.239 --> 0:47:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I was like, i' might clean. I'm I'm to the

0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.320
<v Speaker 2>nine eleven. I'm not telling him and my mom, I like, no, nigga,

0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:25.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm about to drive three hundred and twenty five. That

0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:31.799
<v Speaker 2>motherfucker cleared. I called Bentley Beverly me, Hey, hey, y'all

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:34.319
<v Speaker 2>got just that. Got that call over there. I'm on,

0:47:34.400 --> 0:47:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm on, I'm on the way right now. I went

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:41.400
<v Speaker 2>to the bank. I went right over that nigga.

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:42.479
<v Speaker 1>Are you trying to stop you at the bank?

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:45.439
<v Speaker 2>Now, He's like, your little cash his check? Yeah, yeah.

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like, let me get a cash his checked

0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 2>that out. Yeah, let me get a cash in his check.

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 2>And that was like to Bentley Motors, Bentley Hills, and

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I went right down there and gave him that ship.

0:47:55.360 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 2>And they was like, which color do you want, mister Coss,

0:47:57.200 --> 0:47:59.760
<v Speaker 2>you mister Cox, Misscotta, what's the champagne?

0:48:02.400 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 1>Listen? And everything? Oh my god, the ground was out

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>back then.

0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Please, it was like on the car, put bow and everything.

0:48:18.760 --> 0:48:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Now I was just one of them, and I remember

0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 2>being like, you know, I never did anything, And then

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I remember I did that, and then I flew to

0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 2>Houston and by my mama house immediately. You know when

0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:31.759
<v Speaker 2>I just I you know, when you make it, when

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:33.480
<v Speaker 2>you make so many songs, you stand at that point.

0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 2>By the time I made that deal, I made so

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>many songs right, the pipeline was crazy. I only I

0:48:40.080 --> 0:48:41.760
<v Speaker 2>was taking I didn't take a whole lot of money

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:45.920
<v Speaker 2>every time. So like let's say that by the time uh,

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:50.919
<v Speaker 2>you got it, bad becomes a thing. Right, Like my deal,

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.359
<v Speaker 2>my my publishing deal was like we did like a

0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:55.400
<v Speaker 2>small deal, Like we went to Warner and did like

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.439
<v Speaker 2>they did the joint venture. Warner and I did a deal.

0:48:57.760 --> 0:48:59.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, it was a small deal. So by the

0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:05.680
<v Speaker 2>time ig that deal, so because you got a bad

0:49:05.719 --> 0:49:08.239
<v Speaker 2>it was huge that these records, these records were coming out.

0:49:08.280 --> 0:49:09.880
<v Speaker 7>They were huge records.

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:11.680
<v Speaker 2>So by the time I was signing these deals, I

0:49:11.719 --> 0:49:14.040
<v Speaker 2>would doing I would get half a million here, four hundred.

0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:18.920
<v Speaker 2>I would sign off soon as I signed the deal ived,

0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:21.240
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. So I was making money,

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:24.799
<v Speaker 2>but I had never did like a deal that was like,

0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:29.279
<v Speaker 2>oh here is so and so on so on millions, you

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:32.320
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. I was doing five hundred recouping.

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:34.600
<v Speaker 2>I would make my money, and I was doing well.

0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I was you know, I was doing great, you know

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:37.799
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. But it wasn't like I got a

0:49:37.840 --> 0:49:43.240
<v Speaker 2>whole like a month that was like yo, here you go, buddy.

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.880
<v Speaker 4>So you you went into that he said he said it,

0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:47.160
<v Speaker 4>You said it, So we going there.

0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, confessions, So confessions right, you got to badness eighty

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.360
<v Speaker 2>seven on one, oh.

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Ship, Yes I'm jumping. I'm jumping.

0:49:57.960 --> 0:50:01.479
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is seven on one and you got to yeah,

0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 2>you got it.

0:50:02.200 --> 0:50:04.879
<v Speaker 1>Bad I immediately thought burned, but yes, okay, on.

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:06.400
<v Speaker 2>The ones you gotta back. You gotta back this one one.

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 2>And what's ill is that I tell people this all

0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 2>the time. Out of all the artists I wanted to

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 2>work with like he was, Usher was the only artist

0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yo, I have to work with him.

0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. You need everybody else. It

0:50:21.120 --> 0:50:23.239
<v Speaker 2>was cool, it was great, you know what I mean,

0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:25.040
<v Speaker 2>And I mean working with all my people, all the

0:50:25.080 --> 0:50:28.160
<v Speaker 2>people you know enjoyed, you know, growing up listening to

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:29.719
<v Speaker 2>I've got a chance to work with a lea Tony

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:33.080
<v Speaker 2>brats like you know, the people who phenomenal people, right,

0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:35.439
<v Speaker 2>and it was just like damn, I felt like, Okay,

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm in the business. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do.

0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, I'm working with all these

0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.520
<v Speaker 2>people that are great. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do.

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.200
<v Speaker 2>When I'm i'm you know, I'm pushing.

0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:45.640
<v Speaker 1>For are locked in at this point.

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:47.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm locking with Jamaine, but I'm also locked in

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.799
<v Speaker 2>with Noon Time Heavy, so that Tony Braxton Aaliyah Time.

0:50:51.120 --> 0:50:52.799
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. I'm locked in with your

0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.399
<v Speaker 2>man Heavy you do. Yeah, I'm locking with your man

0:50:55.480 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 2>on Jagged Edge. You know, everything's so so bad. I'm

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 2>locked in with him. We're doing shinting. What are we doing?

0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:04.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, Mariah, We're going to have different things. And

0:51:07.080 --> 0:51:09.239
<v Speaker 2>the only artist that I was like, Yo, man, I

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.080
<v Speaker 2>really want to write that. I want that. That's the

0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:13.680
<v Speaker 2>call I want, like because he would call me for

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:15.360
<v Speaker 2>this different artist. I'm gona get cool. I'm coming down.

0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Diana called me to Yo, can you coming do so?

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.319
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm coming down studio and I was like, man,

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I hope this thing will call me for Usher Man.

0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:22.840
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying. I was just you know,

0:51:22.920 --> 0:51:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and he called me. I was like, Yo, man, come down,

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.840
<v Speaker 2>you go. We're we started Usher today. I was like shit.

0:51:29.640 --> 0:51:32.920
<v Speaker 2>And literally was the first day that he opened that studio.

0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:37.160
<v Speaker 2>So it's the first day from the South Side. I

0:51:37.200 --> 0:51:39.960
<v Speaker 2>went the South Side when they were building it, and

0:51:40.040 --> 0:51:42.640
<v Speaker 2>then we were still working at the house and then

0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 2>one day he called me. It was like, hey, man,

0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:46.520
<v Speaker 2>can you come down to the new studio. We know

0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:48.279
<v Speaker 2>it was finished, we're gonna start today. And I was like,

0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:50.960
<v Speaker 2>we're working on it was working on USh. I was like, shit,

0:51:52.200 --> 0:51:57.719
<v Speaker 2>first day, new studio, first song, you got it bad?

0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:05.680
<v Speaker 2>No bullshit? Hang up, no bullshit, new studio, first day,

0:52:06.800 --> 0:52:08.640
<v Speaker 2>first song, no bullshit?

0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.200
<v Speaker 1>What's first? What's first? The keys of the drums?

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Keys. So it's an incredible story about this, right, It's

0:52:15.920 --> 0:52:20.080
<v Speaker 2>an incredible story. We're talking and he's like Jamaine is

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:24.919
<v Speaker 2>very specific and strategic about how he approaches things. He's like, yo, man,

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:26.680
<v Speaker 2>like we needed to do a song. It's kind of like,

0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 2>what what could Nice and Slow be bigger and more pop?

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Like?

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:36.280
<v Speaker 7>He was just like, what can how can we?

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Because I Slow was so niggorish and dope, but it

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.920
<v Speaker 2>was very very black, you know what I mean, even

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:44.320
<v Speaker 2>though ended up being a pop record, but his approach

0:52:44.440 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 2>was very He was like, man, from the progressions, how

0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:50.759
<v Speaker 2>can we make it be still black? You know what

0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:55.839
<v Speaker 2>I mean? And churchy? But you know, how can we

0:52:55.920 --> 0:52:57.359
<v Speaker 2>take it up a notch? And we were just kind

0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:59.120
<v Speaker 2>of going back and forth, and I started playing some

0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:00.600
<v Speaker 2>things He's like.

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:02.120
<v Speaker 7>Okay, you're going that direction whatever.

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 2>So he's like, yeah, man, I'm you know, Jamaine goes

0:53:04.239 --> 0:53:06.640
<v Speaker 2>in once he has an idea in his head, he'll

0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:09.880
<v Speaker 2>go and he'll play video games or whatever's going to that.

0:53:09.920 --> 0:53:12.160
<v Speaker 2>So it's crazy, is we were having a conversation before that,

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 2>me and him and Jermaine, I mean, him and Usher

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.719
<v Speaker 2>having a conversation before that. And Usher's going through this

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:23.080
<v Speaker 2>thing with this girl, you know. I mean, I don't

0:53:23.120 --> 0:53:26.040
<v Speaker 2>know if I called this girl's name out, but he's

0:53:26.080 --> 0:53:27.879
<v Speaker 2>going he's going through this thing with this girl at

0:53:27.880 --> 0:53:30.320
<v Speaker 2>the time. She's a she's a disaster. It's a disaster.

0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:34.840
<v Speaker 2>And y'all you definitely know this woman is she's a

0:53:34.880 --> 0:53:38.280
<v Speaker 2>disaster and we have to ban her from the studio.

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 2>It's like she's like she's just out of control, you

0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:46.279
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. And jamn Is we're talking about it,

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:49.239
<v Speaker 2>and Jamain's like, man, you know, man, nigga, Yeah, she

0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:50.880
<v Speaker 2>got you, man, she got you dog man. You got

0:53:50.920 --> 0:53:52.680
<v Speaker 2>it bad, bro, you got it bad. He just says,

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:54.600
<v Speaker 2>he keeps saying it, and you got a bad dog

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:59.359
<v Speaker 2>like that girl ain't no good. You got it bad.

0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:01.400
<v Speaker 2>And he just said keep saying, keep saying it over

0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:05.000
<v Speaker 2>and over again, and then literally that's how and whatever

0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:07.319
<v Speaker 2>happened with it, whatever that phrase was in his head,

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 2>he was like, I'm going to stick with that. I'm

0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 2>going to stick to this phrase because we have to

0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:16.640
<v Speaker 2>write a song about this. And when I came with

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the progression, he was like, So I came with the progression.

0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:22.400
<v Speaker 2>I mind you, I'm coming from the school noontime the

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:24.840
<v Speaker 2>way my productions are at noon time, and very elaborate,

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:29.080
<v Speaker 2>a lot of transitions and strings and bridges and all

0:54:29.160 --> 0:54:32.040
<v Speaker 2>kinds of ship, you know what I'm saying. So I'm

0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:36.279
<v Speaker 2>approaching this ballot that way initially. So I'm I got

0:54:36.320 --> 0:54:39.319
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of strings and lead lines and all kinds

0:54:39.280 --> 0:54:41.120
<v Speaker 2>of shit going on, and I got a bridge, part

0:54:41.520 --> 0:54:44.480
<v Speaker 2>changed part, when all kinds of shit going on?

0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:46.919
<v Speaker 7>When all that right?

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:48.640
<v Speaker 2>All right? I got all this ship right, And so

0:54:48.840 --> 0:54:50.799
<v Speaker 2>I tell ja, mane, I'm ready, man, come, come listen

0:54:50.840 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 2>to what I got so far. So it comes in.

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:55.239
<v Speaker 2>He press pantal drummerchine. He's just listen to all this

0:54:56.000 --> 0:55:01.040
<v Speaker 2>all this ship, you know, And he's listening. He's like,

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:03.480
<v Speaker 2>all right. So when he goes to the next sequence,

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:05.080
<v Speaker 2>He's like, we're not gonna use the next sex. I'm

0:55:05.080 --> 0:55:08.120
<v Speaker 2>gonna use that bridge goes back and he's like allright,

0:55:08.200 --> 0:55:10.600
<v Speaker 2>and he goes to the board and he just starts

0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:15.080
<v Speaker 2>muting ship. I'm telling it's the best. It's the greatest

0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 2>lesson I've learned in songwriting and producing ever. I was

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:22.360
<v Speaker 2>starts muting ship, right, he's everything, and I'm like, what

0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 2>the fuck is he doing? Like he mean all a

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:28.960
<v Speaker 2>good ship in my mind, I was, I was, I'm

0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 2>in there getting my ship. Yeah, he mute all me

0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:36.319
<v Speaker 2>and everything right. The only thing we have left is

0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:40.160
<v Speaker 2>the ny line and the wind. He liked the wind.

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:43.919
<v Speaker 2>Keep the wind in there, but everything else right, keeping

0:55:43.920 --> 0:55:47.799
<v Speaker 2>gonna start here, and I'm like, okay, goes on. He

0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:49.920
<v Speaker 2>goes starts loading up sounds. Is when your man is

0:55:49.960 --> 0:55:54.960
<v Speaker 2>using floppy. So you had a NI starts loading up

0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:58.560
<v Speaker 2>sounds or whatever. He loads up a kick a snare

0:55:59.800 --> 0:56:04.839
<v Speaker 2>I have, and he makes a drum track with that, right,

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:09.279
<v Speaker 2>and that's it, And I add a bassline, So you

0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:14.880
<v Speaker 2>got the baddest kick snare, high hat now line, guitar bassline.

0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Don't forget the win and the wind. Don't forget to

0:56:17.440 --> 0:56:25.080
<v Speaker 2>win six instruments. We write the song. Okay, there's no harmonies,

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:30.000
<v Speaker 2>so you got it bad. It's only to late line

0:56:30.120 --> 0:56:32.040
<v Speaker 2>the only time here harmonies in the second verse when

0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:34.200
<v Speaker 2>he does I truly adore you. That's the only part

0:56:34.200 --> 0:56:37.920
<v Speaker 2>of it is. It's the only problem. This is no harmonies.

0:56:38.000 --> 0:56:42.080
<v Speaker 2>It's literally just vocal and I'm sitting there when we

0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:48.360
<v Speaker 2>finish the song like wow, look, it was only like

0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:51.880
<v Speaker 2>when we finished the song, you understand, Like, and Jamain

0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:53.680
<v Speaker 2>wasn't demo and songs at this point, he has stopped

0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:55.239
<v Speaker 2>demo and songs. We were writing the songs. I didn't

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:56.920
<v Speaker 2>with the song, and then Usher came and sang it.

0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:01.759
<v Speaker 2>And after us just sang the song. It was kind

0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:07.879
<v Speaker 2>of like Nigga, like, did we just write the best

0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:08.960
<v Speaker 2>song of life?

0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:09.759
<v Speaker 1>It was like you know what.

0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:11.719
<v Speaker 2>It was like one of those like like it was

0:57:11.719 --> 0:57:13.560
<v Speaker 2>like a moment where then La comes. Listen to the

0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:15.440
<v Speaker 2>songs before the guitar solo we had. We didn't have

0:57:15.440 --> 0:57:18.360
<v Speaker 2>a guitar song on that recog. Initially La comes and

0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:20.040
<v Speaker 2>you listen to the song Elie, It's like, Yo, this

0:57:20.120 --> 0:57:23.320
<v Speaker 2>song smash right, and Jamaine's I got a vision for it.

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:25.040
<v Speaker 2>I put a guitar solo on We're gonna get Bill

0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:28.320
<v Speaker 2>oldon so Billy Old and puts guitar solo on it

0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:31.200
<v Speaker 2>kills and we mix it right. Send the song in

0:57:31.200 --> 0:57:35.600
<v Speaker 2>to uh le face and Arista Clive that don't like

0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:39.320
<v Speaker 2>the guitar solo. He wants to take the guitar solo out,

0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and Jermaine has to fight for the guitar solo, which

0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:46.800
<v Speaker 2>obviously is the moment. Actually, the video is the moment,

0:57:46.800 --> 0:57:49.720
<v Speaker 2>and the video is the moment. You didn't hear it

0:57:49.760 --> 0:57:51.880
<v Speaker 2>at the time. Clyde fought song. You should have known

0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:53.320
<v Speaker 2>better too. We had a guitar song and should better

0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:55.439
<v Speaker 2>and you wanted to do like he just didn't fuck

0:57:55.440 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 2>with us on the guitar solos on the R and

0:57:56.760 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>B sh. I don't know why, but I just remember

0:57:59.880 --> 0:58:05.240
<v Speaker 2>being like, oh man, simplicity, Like I don't have to

0:58:05.320 --> 0:58:08.120
<v Speaker 2>do all of that ship to get my point across.

0:58:08.520 --> 0:58:09.040
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

0:58:09.160 --> 0:58:11.880
<v Speaker 4>The average person can't do anything even don't even truly

0:58:11.960 --> 0:58:12.760
<v Speaker 4>understand all of it.

0:58:13.080 --> 0:58:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was like, damn, I got to do all

0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.040
<v Speaker 2>that to get my shit across. Like he was like, yo, man,

0:58:17.040 --> 0:58:18.320
<v Speaker 2>take all that ship out of there. Man, you gotta

0:58:19.080 --> 0:58:22.080
<v Speaker 2>leave room. And literally that's when he was like, okay,

0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:24.400
<v Speaker 2>right now, you know, it was like, oh, this.

0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:26.640
<v Speaker 1>Is too much, too much.

0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:29.280
<v Speaker 4>We've all had beats in front of us where we're

0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:31.200
<v Speaker 4>just like you can listen to it one hundred thousand times,

0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:32.960
<v Speaker 4>just like I can't figure nothing out of this ship

0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:36.680
<v Speaker 4>because it's just too much going on. It's too busy

0:58:36.720 --> 0:58:39.800
<v Speaker 4>for me. So you need someone like Jermaine to say hey.

0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:41.479
<v Speaker 1>He's like, no, nigga, you're doing too.

0:58:41.400 --> 0:58:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Much, damn. And literally that's another technique that I took

0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:49.040
<v Speaker 2>with me. I took from that moment. It's like, Okay,

0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm taking this woman, but it's time for me to

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:54.880
<v Speaker 2>do you know whatever. I'm taking this woman.

0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Whose idea was it to go bone thugs in harmony

0:58:58.640 --> 0:58:59.320
<v Speaker 1>the bit of it inc.

0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Body just can't keep it real, not bom bone, boom bone.

0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:07.400
<v Speaker 1>We were, We.

0:59:07.560 --> 0:59:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Just are huge fans of bone with that harmony. I'm

0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:12.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna keep it real, you canderstand. We're coming off from

0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Mariah we did. We did a song with Mariah right

0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:20.080
<v Speaker 2>this is before the big ones, like before like shake

0:59:20.120 --> 0:59:23.120
<v Speaker 2>it Off and we had them charm Bracelet. We had

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:26.720
<v Speaker 2>done a record before sung with Rainbow and Mariah is

0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:30.160
<v Speaker 2>a full on like she's a Bone Dogs, a harmony fanatic,

0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Like that's how she's full on, like full on, like no,

0:59:34.640 --> 0:59:38.880
<v Speaker 2>no doubt, right, So for us, it's just an extension

0:59:38.920 --> 0:59:44.400
<v Speaker 2>of that relation, this relationship, you know what I'm saying.

0:59:44.800 --> 0:59:48.760
<v Speaker 2>And we we I mean bone Thugs by far as

0:59:48.800 --> 0:59:51.440
<v Speaker 2>one of my one of my favorite rap groups and

0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:54.480
<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite period you know what I mean.

0:59:55.000 --> 0:59:56.800
<v Speaker 7>And melodically, I just.

0:59:56.720 --> 0:59:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Always felt like and Jamaine look like we just always

0:59:59.080 --> 1:00:02.400
<v Speaker 2>felt like nobody ever explored it properly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what I mean.

1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:08.360
<v Speaker 7>Like so it's like who can explore and make it.

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<v Speaker 2>Global?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 7>Know what I mean, Like that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know, and and and I think also

1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:23.160
<v Speaker 2>it's an extension of you know, think about Jermaine with

1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:27.160
<v Speaker 2>uh but pop Pimp you know U s h g

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<v Speaker 2>rr A. Like I think that that's just an extension of.

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<v Speaker 1>It.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, it's the same kind of concept, you know

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<v Speaker 7>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get to confessions confessions.

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<v Speaker 4>We we we we got there. We got man, great story,

1:00:41.880 --> 1:00:47.959
<v Speaker 4>confession confessions. It's time to do life changing ship. Oh yeah,

1:00:48.320 --> 1:00:51.880
<v Speaker 4>at this point, it's time to do game changing.

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<v Speaker 1>The pressures on. Yes, we didn't feel it thought within

1:00:56.600 --> 1:00:57.439
<v Speaker 1>the industry though.

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<v Speaker 4>Within the industry, like every everybody felt the pressure of.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going on with Usher? What's doing next?

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<v Speaker 1>Because of the sputter in between?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I remember too, I was working with like

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of artists, like you know, like younger artists

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<v Speaker 2>in between, and a couple of antars would say things

1:01:20.400 --> 1:01:23.600
<v Speaker 2>that I thought were like extremely disrespectful, like at and

1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:27.120
<v Speaker 2>are telling me something? They brought me this artist and uh,

1:01:28.120 --> 1:01:30.280
<v Speaker 2>they were describing him to me like yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not much of a vocalist, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was like usher man, you know, like he

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<v Speaker 2>ain't really much of a vocalist, you know. And I

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<v Speaker 2>remember being like.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, that's a wow? Was that?

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<v Speaker 2>What what did you say? Because I'm like, you know

1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:46.320
<v Speaker 2>that I work with him, you know, I you know,

1:01:46.960 --> 1:01:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I do his vocals, Like what are you talking about?

1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:53.240
<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, you know what's like he got sing

1:01:53.280 --> 1:01:57.680
<v Speaker 2>he can't sing sing. I'm like what you know what

1:01:57.680 --> 1:02:00.680
<v Speaker 2>i mean? I'm like, hold on, hold on, what.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen chair man, swivel chair. If you're watching this, you're

1:02:08.520 --> 1:02:11.400
<v Speaker 1>a goddamn fool, your motherfucking mind.

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<v Speaker 4>I just remember, Yeah, I don't care who you are,

1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:16.480
<v Speaker 4>you could be the biggest executive too, saying Usher is

1:02:16.520 --> 1:02:19.760
<v Speaker 4>not much of a vocalist, You're a god damn.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun I remember that vividly. So I remember going into

1:02:23.160 --> 1:02:25.959
<v Speaker 2>making Confessions, Like I said, we didn't feel we didn't

1:02:25.960 --> 1:02:28.760
<v Speaker 2>feel the pressure because we knew. We just went into

1:02:28.840 --> 1:02:31.120
<v Speaker 2>it the way we would do any of any other things.

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<v Speaker 1>Just automatic.

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<v Speaker 2>So like that Burn was the first song we did

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<v Speaker 2>for Confessions, Like it was the first song, the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>Secure Steward played it for me.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, co, Yeah, that was the first, and I thought

1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:44.040
<v Speaker 4>it was your first single, and I was like, this

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<v Speaker 4>is out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>This nigga's back, He's all the way back.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the first time we wrote. So it's like

1:02:50.760 --> 1:02:52.800
<v Speaker 2>let it Burn is another thing which your man is, Like,

1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:58.520
<v Speaker 2>he's a person that will have like multiple conversations with people,

1:02:58.560 --> 1:03:00.640
<v Speaker 2>let say, who have concled with me, with you and

1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:03.520
<v Speaker 2>with you and not let us know that he had

1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:08.760
<v Speaker 2>conversations with us, Right, So we think that what we're

1:03:08.760 --> 1:03:11.520
<v Speaker 2>talking about is the first time we're talking about it,

1:03:12.040 --> 1:03:15.919
<v Speaker 2>and that we're coming up with it right here. But really,

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<v Speaker 2>he's already had a conversation with you and you said

1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:20.440
<v Speaker 2>the same thing to him, and he's just saying to

1:03:20.520 --> 1:03:25.160
<v Speaker 2>you or man, shit, let it burn, right. But literally

1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:27.760
<v Speaker 2>he had the same exact conversation with Usher Nigga.

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<v Speaker 1>So the niggas laying out of DiCaprio in inception.

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<v Speaker 2>Like so, so everybody has different perspectives on how you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying, Scientists, everybody's So. My perspective is

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<v Speaker 2>I was going through something. I never played video games.

1:03:47.480 --> 1:03:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I was in the room playing video games. Like, man,

1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you're in there playing video games? What the fuck is

1:03:50.640 --> 1:03:51.280
<v Speaker 2>wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm telling them what's going on, my lady is

1:03:54.520 --> 1:03:58.800
<v Speaker 2>just bullshit going on, like man, shead Cox, Man, you

1:03:58.960 --> 1:04:01.560
<v Speaker 2>let that ship burn? Man? Right? He says it right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, Nigga, that's a song. He was like,

1:04:02.960 --> 1:04:06.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm neig go write it. And I was like, what,

1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:07.800
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. He was like, nigg go

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<v Speaker 2>write it. You think it's a song, go write it?

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<v Speaker 2>So o care cool. So going, I started making the

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<v Speaker 2>progression to what ended up ends up becoming burned, and

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<v Speaker 2>I say, yeah, I think I got the progression. So

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<v Speaker 2>he comes in and I played the progression. He's like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I literally was like it's gonna burn for

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<v Speaker 2>me to say this coming from I started to start

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<v Speaker 2>spewing the lyric to him. He's like, that's it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he just I said, I made the first four lines.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he picks up the next like four or five lines,

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<v Speaker 2>and then it's like, this is the first time me

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<v Speaker 2>and him were writing songs writing a song this way,

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<v Speaker 2>because normally it's like I make, I make the progression.

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<v Speaker 2>I may give him a melody he made, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. I may chime in, but he usually

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<v Speaker 2>does the heavy lifting of the lyric, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. With this particular time, me and him are

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<v Speaker 2>just going like back and forth, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like trying to do my best babyface ship with it,

1:05:01.800 --> 1:05:04.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, all set all with telling me why I'm

1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:05.720
<v Speaker 2>stay in this place that it is like they said,

1:05:05.720 --> 1:05:07.560
<v Speaker 2>when I'm going back and forth, like I'm like, this

1:05:07.600 --> 1:05:10.280
<v Speaker 2>ship is like somebody to be filming this ship, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, like in real life. So we do,

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<v Speaker 2>we finish the song and we're like, oh, this this

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<v Speaker 2>is the first song for the album that we're making for.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we don't know Confessions is coming at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just writing. We're months away from writing Confessions at

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<v Speaker 2>this point. This is the first song. So we started

1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:31.880
<v Speaker 2>writing other songs, trying to just get to the to

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<v Speaker 2>the next song.

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<v Speaker 7>And we go to La. We go to La.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mind even burn is finished, the most finished Moe.

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<v Speaker 2>We go to La. We work at bay Faber that

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<v Speaker 2>brains way, and we kind of got writer's block, like,

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<v Speaker 2>well we can't you know, we're not really getting it's

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<v Speaker 2>not really coming right. I gotta I gotta go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Dnnist. I'm gonna go to Dannist, can whatever whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Jaman's like, yeah, I'm gonna ride around whatever whatever. So

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<v Speaker 2>Jermaine's riding around l A and he fucking sees the

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<v Speaker 2>big ass Beverly Beverly Center sign, you know what I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>And for him, you know, uh, that was the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing that came to his mind, like, oh shit, you

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<v Speaker 2>know I'm in the bed List Center, like man, not

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<v Speaker 2>giving a damn, Like that's what you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Those things, these things start coming to him, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying, And we would you know, I come back.

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<v Speaker 2>I got my teeth pulled, I'm full of Viking and

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<v Speaker 2>I come back, you know what I mean. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna come up with we start coming up with

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<v Speaker 2>this idea. Ironically, what was the predecessor of this idea

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<v Speaker 2>was Ignition. The cognition is kind of why confessions even

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<v Speaker 2>exist in real life.

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<v Speaker 1>How so?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we do Confessions one, which is originally called

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<v Speaker 2>all Bad, Right, All Bad. We do the song boom

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<v Speaker 2>whatever this is before Ignition. All Right. Time goes by.

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<v Speaker 2>They sleeping on the song. They're sleeping on All Bad.

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<v Speaker 2>The label ain't really fucking with it, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. Ignition comes out right the first version Efgnition

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<v Speaker 2>comes out. It didn't really blow up, you know. It

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of like some some random ship. Niggas got

1:07:21.880 --> 1:07:24.040
<v Speaker 2>the single in the mail, like we got the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we were really super random. But its like, but we

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<v Speaker 2>thought this ship was incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 7>But at the end of the song, the end of

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<v Speaker 7>the original version, he.

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<v Speaker 2>Gives you the previews of the remix, right, it gives

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<v Speaker 2>you so right, like yo, so we kept like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>this this I can't wait to hear what this nigga

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<v Speaker 2>do with this song. And then next thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it comes out with part two and we're like, nigga,

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<v Speaker 2>here bro right. So cool Ignition comes out. It's going crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Jamaine comes to me like, yo, I know

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<v Speaker 2>how how we can save this song. We can save

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<v Speaker 2>all bad. I was like, well, we gotta do part two.

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<v Speaker 2>We gotta just fucking do. We gotta do a part

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<v Speaker 2>two of the song. We gotta make it. So take

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<v Speaker 2>some elements of whatever the first part of the song

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<v Speaker 2>is and let's just make it. Let's make part two.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck it. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, Cool I said, what's part two about?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 7>He was like, Nigga, I got it.

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<v Speaker 2>The nigga gets the bitch pregnant and this that and

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<v Speaker 2>the thing. He's going on and on. He's going on

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<v Speaker 2>and on, and it's going about something like, oh no, nigga,

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<v Speaker 2>this is personal.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't fool me.

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<v Speaker 3>It made a lot of records, broke a lot of records,

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<v Speaker 3>broke a lot of records. You've done some people's favorite records.

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<v Speaker 3>But now we want to know your okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Top fave, saying your top five.

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<v Speaker 4>Right top fa.

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<v Speaker 7>Right now, your top five Okay, R and B.

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<v Speaker 2>Singer R and B song like.

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<v Speaker 8>You Got Too New, You got to shoe gots you and.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna tell us he's top fire.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Ring on.

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<v Speaker 2>To your top five five? Yeah yeah, top five R

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<v Speaker 2>and B singers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea, yeah, we're gonna start there.

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<v Speaker 2>Ship that's a good one. Let's cook. Let's cook of

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<v Speaker 2>all time?

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<v Speaker 1>Yours?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, your mind of all time?

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<v Speaker 1>Yours? Your personal list?

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<v Speaker 2>Luther Vandross. Why Stevie Stevie Wonder? I mean, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to say Whitney Houston. You can't go. You have to,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't go, you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so surprised when when she's not mentioned.

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<v Speaker 7>You can't not say Whitney Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro. It's hard for me because it's like I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go shock a Colm, then I want to go

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<v Speaker 2>to say.

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<v Speaker 7>You cannot say r Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>You can'tnot say our killer man.

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<v Speaker 2>I just you know, I know the comments gonna go crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, talk about the music.

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<v Speaker 4>Vocally, like in the artistry, like the songs that the

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<v Speaker 4>reason why we're here.

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<v Speaker 2>You just can't not do that, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get into di'angelo vibe, you can get into.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go back back and get liking to like

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<v Speaker 2>a Marvin Gay vibe. Marmon Gay you can you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my hey, let me tell you who's a well fucking monster.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't talk about enough, I guess because he's way

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<v Speaker 2>old school. But you watch you put these clips. Motherfucking

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<v Speaker 2>David ruff Who.

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<v Speaker 1>You talking to? Who you talking to?

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<v Speaker 2>Like what I'm saying for David Ruffling was a fucking

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many, man, I mean, you know, fantasious, one

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<v Speaker 2>of my one of my favorites, Jasmine Sullivan is one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorites.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. I got so many, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Better make sure you bring it home when you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get in trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>Usher.

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<v Speaker 7>Of course, I'm talking about what the usher is like.

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<v Speaker 2>And I always tell people like, because I'll I spent

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<v Speaker 2>I spent so many years defending you know, like my

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<v Speaker 2>love for his vocal and I'm like, girl, which is

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<v Speaker 2>crazy an rs the people who work in the music business,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, yo, like, what makes us so special

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<v Speaker 2>is that the nigga's tone is such a one of

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<v Speaker 2>a kind, Like it is the most familiar, most recognizable tone.

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<v Speaker 2>I think and R and b like outside of like

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<v Speaker 2>you know a Keith Sweat who has like a proper.

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<v Speaker 1>Get more difficult for him now though the artist thing

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<v Speaker 1>was one.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing songs, So yeah, to do five, I'm gonna try

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<v Speaker 2>the songs of all time?

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<v Speaker 1>Ship what you're riding around to? What's like? What? What's what?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you find yourself? What's the free what's the freeway

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<v Speaker 1>out here? To seventy eight five? Maybe you get on

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Cut gusus what I found myself listening to lately, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been listening to a lot of Dinning by Donny Hathaway,

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been like on like love Love Love Heavy,

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<v Speaker 2>like that song is so special to me. It's something

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<v Speaker 2>very beautiful and lush about that song and the production

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<v Speaker 2>of it and his the meaningfulness and how he delivers

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<v Speaker 2>the record, and it feels like he's you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. It feels like he means that shit late

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. Michael Jackson is yes, yeahah, what can

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<v Speaker 2>you say about that song? It's not you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying. It's like literally one of the best songs

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<v Speaker 2>ever created. Right, I Love Lady by D'Angelo. I mean, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know my record I Love a lot that I

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<v Speaker 2>co wrote that I love you got a bad Okay,

1:13:50.160 --> 1:13:52.160
<v Speaker 2>you got it bad. It's just like to me, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like that song is like one of these songs

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of like That's why I always reference that

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<v Speaker 2>song because it's like I learned so much in that session.

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<v Speaker 2>The first the first first thing so, but the second

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<v Speaker 2>thing is it's like it's so simple, but it's so

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<v Speaker 2>he sang it so beautifully and it was like this

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<v Speaker 2>heard and it's like magic.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally, it's all of those, all of those simple elements

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<v Speaker 1>coming together. The song is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like from the from the beginning, from

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<v Speaker 2>the very top when he is the like from the top,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like the funk is this coming on right now?

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<v Speaker 2>The wind, the winds, the wind. There's so many, man,

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<v Speaker 2>but I cannot. I would be remiss not to mention

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<v Speaker 2>Mary's be without you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you, I mean, I mean you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know I mean you can't you just

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<v Speaker 1>you have to.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean she didn't even sing that song. No more people,

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<v Speaker 2>it's still the biggest record. Yeah, Mary don't sing us,

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<v Speaker 2>so no more. I haven't seen Mary seen this song

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<v Speaker 2>forever man.

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<v Speaker 1>On the roll.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't sing this song. I'm not she stopped singing

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<v Speaker 2>that song a long time ago. Why, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that should ever have seen a song like that? Like

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<v Speaker 2>she just I'm one of the bats. She wouldn't seen

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<v Speaker 2>that song in like a minimum five six years, probably longer.

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<v Speaker 1>We need Marry on the pod talk about this.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, she hadn't seen that song in a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not gonna let you out here without this stuff

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<v Speaker 4>right now, Okay, I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't saying no name.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I ain't saying no name.

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't saying no names.

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<v Speaker 1>I ain't saying no name. We was.

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<v Speaker 8>What you did, don't see, see, I ain't saying no

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, man.

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<v Speaker 4>So Brian Michael Coy, yeah too. You've been in this

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<v Speaker 4>game for a long time. Long your mama bought you

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<v Speaker 4>Rick James.

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<v Speaker 2>Rick James first eighty three dude, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah at six, So you were justin for all of this.

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<v Speaker 4>But as you were destined for all this, you had

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<v Speaker 4>to go through all this. So with you being here now,

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<v Speaker 4>we want you to tell us a story funny or

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<v Speaker 4>fucked up? Are funny and fucked up the trials of

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<v Speaker 4>Brian Michael Cox. I ain't saying no names the only

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<v Speaker 4>road to the game.

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<v Speaker 1>She can't say nobody name.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So there was this artist. So I had a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of encounters with this one artist, and uh, this

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<v Speaker 2>actually was the artist I was saying that there was like, oh.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, you know, you know he's he's like usher, he

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<v Speaker 7>can't really like with the same.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the preface of the prefix of the meeting. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I meet the guy right comes to the studio

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<v Speaker 2>I was working at Larry Bie comes to the studio,

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<v Speaker 2>comes in with a bunch of like you know, fake

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<v Speaker 2>jewelry on like you just look, this is I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen anything like this. Really it was so it was

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<v Speaker 2>super cartoon characters. I never seen nothing like this in person.

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<v Speaker 2>He pulls up, he got the you know, he got

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<v Speaker 2>the whole kick kaboo along like this is back when

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<v Speaker 2>he was wearing a really baggy jean outfits.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, so comes in, he's like, you know, really cocky.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. I'm okay, man, let me

1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:24.360
<v Speaker 2>hear something. You know, they played me some of the

1:17:24.439 --> 1:17:27.240
<v Speaker 2>music is cool. Is not nothing crazy, it was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not terrible. I'm like okay, we'll cool a right,

1:17:29.840 --> 1:17:32.160
<v Speaker 2>we can do something. You know, we'll figure it out. So,

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<v Speaker 2>uh he's like, yeah, man, you know, I'm I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to take this ship to the next level. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so and so and so. You know, I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be bigger than everybody, and I'm gonna cat cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard this before, but you know, all right, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>you know it's good at I have, you know, leething yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>got myself. So then there was this girl that I

1:17:50.439 --> 1:17:53.000
<v Speaker 2>was dealing with at the time who comes in. She

1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:56.080
<v Speaker 2>came to visit me. She comes in and he sees

1:17:56.120 --> 1:17:59.240
<v Speaker 2>her and he's like, I guess that they had like

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<v Speaker 2>some type of interaction before. He was trying to talk

1:18:02.000 --> 1:18:04.920
<v Speaker 2>to her and it didn't really pan out or whatever whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So she comes in and he's like, what's she doing here?

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<v Speaker 2>And she's like, you know, I'm meant to see him

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<v Speaker 2>right point in me. He's like, oh, you here to

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<v Speaker 2>CP Okay, I get it, You here to see b cocks. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, right, that's cool, right whateverever Son se n

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<v Speaker 2>he don't like it at all.

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<v Speaker 3>He's not fucking with it, right, So I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, no, it's all good man, everything's cool man, it's

1:18:29.360 --> 1:18:31.439
<v Speaker 2>just my homegirl, whatever whatever, whatever, you know, we're trying

1:18:31.439 --> 1:18:33.519
<v Speaker 2>to play it cool. So as a session goes on,

1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:35.439
<v Speaker 2>this guy's not really as he's not good at all.

1:18:35.520 --> 1:18:37.200
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was at least decent. But every right,

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<v Speaker 2>come with the song. So we get through the song.

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<v Speaker 2>She's still there. So I did go to the bathroom

1:18:45.240 --> 1:18:47.280
<v Speaker 2>and walk in on him talking to her right and

1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:49.600
<v Speaker 2>he's like, yeah, I got money now, you know what

1:18:49.600 --> 1:18:51.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, Like you know what I mean, why don't

1:18:51.520 --> 1:18:52.800
<v Speaker 2>you let me just you know what I'm saying, take

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<v Speaker 2>you out, take you and take you all the time. Whatever.

1:18:54.800 --> 1:18:56.840
<v Speaker 2>I got money now, I got a deal. Who I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just he's just and all on that. I'm like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>what's up. It's like hold on and I'm just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I caught him in the middle. In the middle, I'm.

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<v Speaker 7>Like, Yo, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Bro?

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<v Speaker 7>You know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, it's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever if she go, if she go in this whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>handcuff cool. Fast forward. I get a call from the

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<v Speaker 2>A I. He's like, yo, man, we want you and him,

1:19:17.880 --> 1:19:21.200
<v Speaker 2>we want going you in Jamaine, Like all right, So

1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:22.880
<v Speaker 2>I told your man, say, Yo, they want us to

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<v Speaker 2>work with this kid. I tell him my name. He

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<v Speaker 2>was like, all right, you know, bring the kid down,

1:19:27.680 --> 1:19:31.600
<v Speaker 2>bring him to Atlanta. Now with in Atlanta and we

1:19:31.640 --> 1:19:34.200
<v Speaker 2>write another song. Might just get this kid is not

1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:37.760
<v Speaker 2>He's not good. So I know this already. I know

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<v Speaker 2>this going into it. I'm like, Yo, this kid is

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<v Speaker 2>not good. But this is our man and our guys.

1:19:42.400 --> 1:19:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's make it happen. Start recording with this kid, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I I sing enough to get my ideas out right.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever I can, I can carry you. I can sing

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit, but I'm not like, I'm not an artist,

1:19:56.880 --> 1:19:59.040
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying. So it's like for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting frustrated because I'm like, yo, like, bro, like

1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:06.720
<v Speaker 2>I should not be able to sing this better than you.

1:20:06.720 --> 1:20:09.280
<v Speaker 2>You getting paid to sing. You told me you was

1:20:09.320 --> 1:20:12.960
<v Speaker 2>the best motherfucker and you ain't shown me nothing yet.

1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:15.240
<v Speaker 2>You know me, taking I'm usually not like this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>usually super different.

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<v Speaker 7>No no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no no no, you try trying. We're going through

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<v Speaker 2>the sessions going terrible. So I tell the runner, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>go get me like a bottle of Hennessy. I was

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<v Speaker 2>drinking at the time we made bottle. I gotta get

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<v Speaker 2>through this, right, So Jermaine knows. And once I started

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<v Speaker 2>like going up and he's like, all right, man, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, dog, I'm gonna I'm gonna get up, all

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<v Speaker 2>righty man, y'all finish up. So so I'm drinking, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>you know, taking and he's fucking up. I'm like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>man again again, so drunk, I get the more belligerents.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kidding it right.

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<v Speaker 7>So now for whatever that wind.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like maybe another two hours, all right, So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>I'm done, got halfway down the bottle, seventy five percent

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<v Speaker 2>the battle. Next thing, when your man comes in, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like screaming on the top of my laws, like, yo, man,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the fucking no, you can't fucking sing. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going crazy on this kid. I'm going I'm going so

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<v Speaker 2>crazy in this kid. This kid wants to fight me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going crazy on this kid, like, yo, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>while we wasting our time, man, time you listen your budget,

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<v Speaker 2>you waste no gonna never get this ship right. You

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get the last song right. I'm going crazy on

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<v Speaker 2>this kid, like going crazy and like, Okay, that's enough.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to take over, take you out.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, yeah, that's enough. Come on out here, man,

1:21:50.360 --> 1:21:52.519
<v Speaker 2>it's enough. It's enough. You're beating you're beating the kid up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too much. It's too much. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I'm not drinking sessions no more. I stopped,

1:21:56.840 --> 1:21:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Like that's what made me stop like getting drunk in

1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:01.280
<v Speaker 2>sessions because I was like, because we drink a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're working, little drinks, cool, we could we can

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<v Speaker 2>get past it. If you're drinking. If I'm drinking and

1:22:07.479 --> 1:22:11.519
<v Speaker 2>it's bad, it's gonna go all bad. So do you

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<v Speaker 2>do you have a nickname for this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey? Man, get out of there, Man, get out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying for who he became, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what it should be?

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<v Speaker 7>It should be that. But I don't drink Henessy anymore.

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<v Speaker 7>So that that was the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped drinking Henessy surely thereafter because I had another,

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<v Speaker 2>uh situation that was kind of really fucked up off

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<v Speaker 2>the Hennessy.

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<v Speaker 7>So I was like, yeah, I'm not gonna do this

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<v Speaker 7>no more.

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<v Speaker 1>It's aggressive.

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<v Speaker 2>So, uh, Henessy really makes you want to fight somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really want. I'm not really naturally that kind

1:22:36.760 --> 1:22:39.080
<v Speaker 2>of a person, So I was like, yeah, I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to kid me. No, I was going crazy with the kid.

1:22:42.080 --> 1:22:44.080
<v Speaker 2>I was like because I was just because I was like, well,

1:22:45.240 --> 1:22:46.840
<v Speaker 2>a few things I don't like for me. If I'm

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<v Speaker 2>coming into a situation and I'm like, man, let the

1:22:52.160 --> 1:22:54.880
<v Speaker 2>room dictate what we're gonna do. We're gonna come in

1:22:54.920 --> 1:22:57.040
<v Speaker 2>with good energy and we're gonna see what happens. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm I'm personally you know, say lead it open

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<v Speaker 2>and let God come in and whatever happens happens. I'm

1:23:02.400 --> 1:23:05.120
<v Speaker 2>that person come in, got ideas. Let's get the vibe,

1:23:05.160 --> 1:23:08.080
<v Speaker 2>because the vibes gotta be we gotta be bouncing.

1:23:08.120 --> 1:23:08.200
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:10.320
<v Speaker 2>If you coming to room, I know that we're gonna

1:23:10.360 --> 1:23:14.120
<v Speaker 2>get a lot of shit done because it's just our energy.

1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Like if a person person coming in there like Nigga,

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<v Speaker 2>you ain't done nothing yet, I'm not even you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean. It'd be different if you were like

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<v Speaker 2>a star, then I would or had done some things

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<v Speaker 2>that I would be like, I gotta respect that you

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<v Speaker 2>may be a little eclectic and you gotta get your

1:23:29.120 --> 1:23:32.720
<v Speaker 2>ship off. But Bro, you ain't done nothing like I

1:23:32.760 --> 1:23:37.840
<v Speaker 2>mean zero, you coming here telling me you need us

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<v Speaker 2>right now, family, You need everything we got to give you,

1:23:41.840 --> 1:23:44.519
<v Speaker 2>and you can't even deliver. So it'd be different if

1:23:44.520 --> 1:23:47.960
<v Speaker 2>you was delivering and and I was just badgering you.

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<v Speaker 2>Like bro, listening back to this ship, I would be

1:23:49.960 --> 1:23:52.639
<v Speaker 2>like you listen back to that. You sign the way

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<v Speaker 2>I sang it s beating. I was beating him down.

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<v Speaker 2>Give him an name. I tuck him Awy because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't trink hensy.

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<v Speaker 1>So my question is, did he ever get a hit?

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<v Speaker 2>He did?

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<v Speaker 7>He actually got a record. I'm gonna give you guys

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<v Speaker 7>a hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I already know who it is. You know who it is.

1:24:11.960 --> 1:24:14.360
<v Speaker 1>I know who it is. I know who it is.

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<v Speaker 7>He got one record.

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<v Speaker 4>I know exactly, and I know that people are gonna

1:24:19.160 --> 1:24:20.559
<v Speaker 4>be like, Jay, tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>Record. I know record.

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<v Speaker 4>I know who this artist is because I'm pretty sure

1:24:26.200 --> 1:24:27.080
<v Speaker 4>I came across them.

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<v Speaker 2>He got one record off.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get into it. I know we not. We never asked.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Joe d m me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know you got one record off? One record?

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<v Speaker 2>Never heard from again? But he got one record?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, brother h Elder hennessy. Elder. That's it. Start our church.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna start our church, elder.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm gonna start the building fund.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, all the money, get the building fun, collect

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<v Speaker 2>the money.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, brother, brother, I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, I appreciate you all. You know, we could go

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<v Speaker 2>for another quick literally all day. We could do this

1:25:18.479 --> 1:25:18.920
<v Speaker 2>all day.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>We're glad I got a chance to do this. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>We've been trying to do this for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But we just want to make sure that people,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, we just want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>they celebrate shure, they celebrate you. Man, appreciate you. You

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<v Speaker 1>should be celebrated.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate your brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, not later now now, right now.

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<v Speaker 7>I appreciate y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Man is amazing.

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