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Speaker 1: Out now Here are Bill Jones, Savannah Humoller, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 4: And it is time for a very special edition Mick Shots.
Speaker 4: Here inside the SWBC podcast studio high noon on a Wednesday. Mickey,
Speaker 4: we've got football players on a football field outside.
Speaker 3: On a beautiful day for football year.
Speaker 2: Football coach.
Speaker 5: Yes, you got a football player in the studio, Everson Walls. Hey,
Speaker 5: we've got Savannah going through all of your text messages
Speaker 5: because you're irate that this team has lost two games
Speaker 5: in a row. But most importantly, we got a football
Speaker 5: coach in the studio, Dave Tampa.
Speaker 2: Whether it's still coach Campo.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, But you know what, its special
Speaker 3: already because that's the legend that ran me all the time.
Speaker 3: Of course they kind of ran him on it.
Speaker 6: He keeps telling us you ran him out of time.
Speaker 7: Now, Campo was my dude, No, no, no, no, my dude.
Speaker 7: He was just trying to stay out of the way.
Speaker 7: Of all the shots, that's all.
Speaker 2: He was in the middle of it all. That's all
Speaker 2: good stuff. Well, he proved everybody wrong.
Speaker 3: I can tell you that he did what he had
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 6: He got a ring before everybody else did. Well. Dave
Speaker 6: Campo is in town.
Speaker 4: In fact, he just flew in from his home in
Speaker 4: Jacksonville because it is a big week from the nineteen
Speaker 4: nineties era after nineteen eighty nine ever, So yes, that's right,
Speaker 4: because of course Jimmy, Jimmy Johnson going into the Ring
Speaker 4: of Honor on Saturday night, and Coach camp Go is
Speaker 4: certainly not going to miss that, right Dave.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 3: And you know the interesting thing is, you know Jimmy
Speaker 3: probably as well as I do.
Speaker 2: You it was around.
Speaker 3: Long enough, but he doesn't like the fanfare. So he
Speaker 3: basically said everybody, hey, you know, we all went to
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame induction. But he said, hey, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm here because of gratitude, you know,
Speaker 3: and respect, but gratitude for what he did for me
Speaker 3: and my family, my career. You know, you don't know
Speaker 3: where it would have been had I not ended up
Speaker 3: at Miami and coming into here to Dallas. So you know,
Speaker 3: it's I was going to be here, and I'm going
Speaker 3: to tell him exactly that when I see him.
Speaker 4: How long were you there with him at the U
Speaker 4: at Miami?
Speaker 3: Only two years? And that was a big deal because
Speaker 3: I wasn't quite sure. I knew he was going to
Speaker 3: get a pro job, but you know, everybody else he
Speaker 3: brought with him had been with him for four or
Speaker 3: five years, so I was a little nervous, you know,
Speaker 3: two years. He's big on loyalty, the guy. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: and loyalty is really big. And I think the thing
Speaker 3: that really saved me, to be honest with you, was
Speaker 3: Dave wants it, because you know, the only thing Jimmy
Speaker 3: was concerned about going to the next level was the
Speaker 3: NFL passing game. And you know, so Dave said basically
Speaker 3: to Jimmy, hey, look this this guy is smart. He'll
Speaker 3: he'll learn it. He's loyal and and that's how I got.
Speaker 4: Here, really, and the Butch Davis time, and they were
Speaker 4: they were with Jimmy going back to Oklahoma State.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and Tony Wise, you know, I mean those guys
Speaker 3: were with him for a long time.
Speaker 2: And so I was very fortunate.
Speaker 1: You came from where to get to Miami.
Speaker 3: From Syracuse Syracuse and you know, Jimmy was a statman
Speaker 3: and we were fifth and seventh and third and past
Speaker 3: defensive Syracuse. Now, the one thing about it was nobody
Speaker 3: threw them. So yeah, we had the movies exactly, and
Speaker 3: that Daryl was the first guy. You know, he sent
Speaker 3: us out scouting right away when we got here. And
Speaker 3: Daryl was the first guy I went to see at
Speaker 3: Syracuse because of my association there.
Speaker 1: But I was Weissac still at Syracuse when you were there.
Speaker 3: Wysick was and you know, I think that one of
Speaker 3: the reasons he ended up with us is because of Tony.
Speaker 3: You know, Tony was at UH Syracuse as well, so
Speaker 3: you know that was you know, he was big on
Speaker 3: people knowing people. I'll tell you a quick story. When
Speaker 3: I went down for my interview at Miami, I already
Speaker 3: had another job and they weren't going to do anything
Speaker 3: until after the Fiesta Bowl. So once did I visit,
Speaker 3: I was with him at Pitt. Tony wise lived in
Speaker 3: my house at Washington State. It was two other jobs.
Speaker 3: He was a GA at the time. Uh uh excuse me, uh.
Speaker 3: Dalrymple was a student assistant at Pitt. Uh Kevin O'Neill,
Speaker 3: i'd been with with Oregon State and Pittsburgh. Jankovic the
Speaker 3: ad was the president, the student club president at Washington
Speaker 3: State was there, so I figured I'd have a good
Speaker 3: shot at this thing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, I find out later And this is what I
Speaker 3: tell young coaches all the time. You know, how you
Speaker 3: treat people is going to be your legacy when it's
Speaker 3: all done. He went downstairs and Al Bellamy, who is
Speaker 3: still in the league a trainer. He's still in the league.
Speaker 3: I think he's with the Washington Uh commanders. He said, hey,
Speaker 3: House Campbell with the black kids. If he'd have said,
Speaker 3: you know, he's this or that, I would not have
Speaker 3: gotten since he said, hey, hey the guy they you know.
Speaker 3: Except so that was first question and the rest is history.
Speaker 1: Right Yeah, So when you got here, uh, Jimmy Dick
Speaker 1: Nolan right correct, That's why.
Speaker 3: That's why he wasn't you know, he wanted. But the
Speaker 3: interesting thing is Everson knows this, and we weren't worth
Speaker 3: a darn. We put our scheme. We watched and I
Speaker 3: actually and I actually put it in. You know, Dick
Speaker 3: was a man, a man, you know, kind of a
Speaker 3: you know, I mean it was a pro attack as
Speaker 3: opposed to we were simple, you know, get past rush
Speaker 3: and you know that Syracuse, Yeah exactly. So uh yeah,
Speaker 3: and that's why he kept him because he was he
Speaker 3: was not sure you know about that, and he was right.
Speaker 3: I mean, they taught us a lesson in the first year,
Speaker 3: you know game.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we were hailing preseason. Yeah, yeah, we were balling.
Speaker 2: Boy.
Speaker 7: I think we were like three and one was going
Speaker 7: to touchdown against the Charges.
Speaker 2: I think I like seventy they left.
Speaker 3: They left at you know, Dan Reeves was the head
Speaker 3: coach at at Denver. We played Denver in the fourth
Speaker 3: game and they left an all starters, the fame quarterback
Speaker 3: in there and they beat us on overtime. That was
Speaker 3: the third low, the first loss.
Speaker 2: And we thought, man, I got into seventy sion remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we thought this was easy.
Speaker 7: I scored against I forget who I scored against that. Man,
Speaker 7: we were like, oh my god, such a great family.
Speaker 7: Well my god, we're gonna be you know, we thought
Speaker 7: we're gonna come and kick some asses.
Speaker 2: Wasn't New Orleans.
Speaker 4: That was after the last preseason game. Jimmy and Jerry
Speaker 4: went off the off the field arm and.
Speaker 2: Bring it.
Speaker 6: Listen the best.
Speaker 2: We got some butt kicked down there.
Speaker 3: I think a BA was something like twenty eight for
Speaker 3: thirty two or something.
Speaker 2: Did we score? Did we score? That's what I thought
Speaker 2: it was. It was ugly game.
Speaker 1: Two hundred yards, Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. Hell did we get one hundred that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Everson did get something from us though? Was that because
Speaker 3: when he went to the Giants they were too covered
Speaker 3: two teams?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true. He just played it differently. Yeah, And
Speaker 7: I was trying to tell Jimmy, we gotta pay this differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah we can. We can't play still in prem Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what that was.
Speaker 7: The Cardinals game and all of that, and our coach,
Speaker 7: we can't play this like this. And then we went
Speaker 7: to the Giants. They played it exactly like you know,
Speaker 7: perfect you know, you guys it was different. Yeah, you
Speaker 7: guys just weren't on that that level yet. As far
Speaker 7: as that little nuance, just that little nuance, right, just
Speaker 7: how do you want the concert play? That's the only
Speaker 7: nuance it was. Otherwise we needed more players, of absolutely,
Speaker 7: But the scheme itself, it got obviously, it got better.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, one of the problems One of the problems, obviously,
Speaker 3: was once we got the front seven, that's when we
Speaker 3: that's right, I mean.
Speaker 2: You know we're dbs, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know when you got the pass rush, that's
Speaker 3: the key.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: We played Cover two without a pass rush, and you
Speaker 3: really they hit us on so many seam routes and
Speaker 3: that I could see no one. De vince a Breton
Speaker 3: was never there for me. Right, he got his own
Speaker 3: kinds of.
Speaker 4: One hundred and seventy four total yards on offense in
Speaker 4: a twenty eight nothing loss.
Speaker 2: First down. They do this day, they do this, Okay,
Speaker 2: they break Yeah, they broke us over. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Bill always gonna find the proof in the pudding. And
Speaker 7: it's not just gonna pass by, No, he's gonna dwell.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: Mike Saxon had a better passing day than Troy.
Speaker 2: He was one for one for four yards.
Speaker 1: A vision of the TV screen. Look what that is.
Speaker 1: Broncos are benching Russell Wilson for the final two games.
Speaker 4: Goodness, Wow, he doesn't because he's got a contract option
Speaker 4: coming up in March and they wanted to don't want
Speaker 4: to risk an injury before they have to make half
Speaker 4: the off season.
Speaker 1: Or before they shut him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Jarrett Stidham will get the start for the Broncos.
Speaker 4: And this is evidence of a distractable player right here. Coach,
Speaker 4: you can't put a TV monitor because he'll he'll start.
Speaker 1: All he had to do is watch the interaction between
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and the last game there.
Speaker 2: Something was up.
Speaker 1: Well, I told you the story. I was in Denver
Speaker 1: skiing when I mean in Colorado skiing when they signed him.
Speaker 2: But what was two years ago?
Speaker 1: Every news station led that night with the last piece
Speaker 1: of the puzzle is here for the Broncos that we're
Speaker 1: going to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Oops.
Speaker 1: I needed to get that.
Speaker 2: Story back to the important stuff. What's that camp? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What else you do? Rao? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Golf? Every day?
Speaker 3: It so no, I'll tell you what. I don't play
Speaker 3: that much golf, I really, Uh, every day I have
Speaker 3: something I have. I'm on a post game show. You're
Speaker 3: covering the Jacksonville jacket backwash.
Speaker 6: That's a scene that's struggling right now.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 3: I almost didn't get this gig here with you guys.
Speaker 3: I was in the press box when you guys when
Speaker 3: the Cowboys played us last year, and I was doing
Speaker 3: a little cheering for the Dagark.
Speaker 6: I'm working with it, you know what I mean, that's right,
Speaker 6: that's where you're that's where you got here.
Speaker 3: Your money's being paid.
Speaker 2: Listen, I'm not getting whatever since.
Speaker 1: Well, I remember that when I saw him, he was
Speaker 1: telling me how good this Jaguar team was and that
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks.
Speaker 4: The real deal, and he is the real deal when
Speaker 4: he doesn't have a shoulder that's fallen off.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. They're really struggling. And you know
Speaker 3: that obviously the Cowboys going through it a little bit
Speaker 3: with the last two ball games. But you know they've
Speaker 3: got the Cowboys have a more talented roster. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's no question about it in my mind, you know.
Speaker 3: And that game was an aberration. When we when Jags
Speaker 3: won last year, I was on a podcast, a guy
Speaker 3: by the name of Mike Tagg who does a Cowboy
Speaker 3: podcast out of Tampa. He's a huge Cowboy fan, and
Speaker 3: the first thing I said was.
Speaker 2: Well, when we talk about I just did it.
Speaker 3: Listen, I'm a Cowboy fan, you know that. But really
Speaker 3: they're struggling. The quarterback. Once he got hurt, he hasn't
Speaker 3: been the same, and you know that's something that, you know,
Speaker 3: but some guys can.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. He came back from U I guess that
Speaker 2: was a knee in Yeah, yeah, that was.
Speaker 3: Had a knee, an ankle right there, knee, an ankle,
Speaker 3: a shoulder. I mean, he's been banged up. But uh,
Speaker 3: you know, we're not very good inside in the offensive line,
Speaker 3: so that's a problem. And I think what I saw
Speaker 3: the Cowboy game the other night is is a little
Speaker 3: bit of problem going with the offensive line here.
Speaker 4: Well, you gotta get get tired and healthy. And by
Speaker 4: the way, that brings us to some news of the day.
Speaker 4: Nate Frisco just walked by the studio.
Speaker 6: Some news of the day.
Speaker 4: Cowboys making a roster move today.
Speaker 1: Funny mentioned something about that yesterday linebacker situation.
Speaker 9: Yes, and we were looking at Rashaun Evans, who has
Speaker 9: just been waived. Okay, well, let's go has been activated
Speaker 9: from injured reserved to fill the offensive.
Speaker 10: Need that we might have.
Speaker 4: And Jerry is was on the radio show yesterday optimistic.
Speaker 4: Of course, he's always optimistic, but he's optimistic. Doctor Jerry's
Speaker 4: optimistic that Tyrone will be able to play.
Speaker 1: Did you hear what he said? It went right over
Speaker 1: everybody's head, he said. He said, after his after we
Speaker 1: give him that injection, he's usually better. So they gave
Speaker 1: him a shot, right, and and somebody thought it was.
Speaker 6: Still a stinger. It's not a stinger.
Speaker 1: He's got a disc problem. Uh so uh and he said,
Speaker 1: usually when he gets the injection, he's much better. I
Speaker 1: saw him walking in the locker room. He walked perfectly right,
Speaker 1: No limp, there you go. So we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: I know I should be speaking out ont the injury.
Speaker 3: Listen if you want to hear Jimmy was hearing these. Listen,
Speaker 3: if you want to hear anything about the Cowboys, Jerry
Speaker 3: will tell you which job which I love about him?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, that's it.
Speaker 3: He's that's him.
Speaker 1: So I looked up Evans. He it since he got here,
Speaker 1: seventy nine seventy one snaps, so seven point five percent
Speaker 1: of the snaps.
Speaker 4: And you got that broken down to how much money
Speaker 4: he's paid.
Speaker 1: I did not Yeah, nine tap, did you bill?
Speaker 2: It's not much.
Speaker 3: It's he's in a veteran minimum deal.
Speaker 1: Last four games, he's only had fourteen snaps and eleven
Speaker 1: in one of those, so they weren't using them.
Speaker 4: To the point that they had six dv's on the
Speaker 4: field virtually the entire game against Miami, and maybe that
Speaker 4: was a strategic.
Speaker 3: There's a reason for that.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so they didn't trust him, Yeah, obviously. Uh
Speaker 1: and then well let's go I've been wondering when but
Speaker 1: do you take the chance of saying, well, we got
Speaker 1: this veteran guy over here playing great, and we got
Speaker 1: this guy as young and he hasn't played at all,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: And he's got a shoulder issue that it seems like
Speaker 4: every time he plays that something happens with that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what they do. But if you
Speaker 1: go back, you inspired me last night to go back
Speaker 1: and watch more of the game. And you know, part
Speaker 1: of his Chuma's problem was, well, he's a little slow
Speaker 1: off the ball.
Speaker 2: He gets beat.
Speaker 1: The other problem was he was just making decision mistakes,
Speaker 1: Like he kept he kept double teaming with Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: at guard when the guy was blitzing off the outside
Speaker 1: coming clean. And it's like, at some point, don't you
Speaker 1: have to recognize that? And so that was almost the
Speaker 1: decisions he was making. We're almost as bad as you know.
Speaker 1: Getting beat physically is one thing, but gosh, you got
Speaker 1: to recognize I think, I think, and even with that,
Speaker 1: we only gave up you know what, twenty one points
Speaker 1: twenty two miracle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's a high powered offense considering.
Speaker 1: But the problem was, though, is that they only scored
Speaker 1: twenty and the quarterback sacked four times and got hit
Speaker 1: twelve times and got out of a couple that I
Speaker 1: don't know how he got out of. Even that last
Speaker 1: I think it was the last drive. It was fun
Speaker 1: away and dumped it to the tight end he was
Speaker 1: going down.
Speaker 3: No disrespect to us dB guys, but if you're not
Speaker 3: operating up front, you're in trouble. We got Charles Haley
Speaker 3: here back in the day. That was that's why we
Speaker 3: won Super Bowls. I mean, you know, we played better
Speaker 3: and all those kinds of things. But in reality, the front.
Speaker 2: The front, another dB had something to do with that
Speaker 2: as well. That's too. Yeah, that guy named Smith, Yeah
Speaker 2: that was the last. Yeah, the last.
Speaker 3: Darren Woodson probably had a pretty good hand and its out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's he always had a hand in there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So but really the front, that's the same thing that's
Speaker 3: happening with the Jaguars. I mean, you know, they're getting
Speaker 3: pressure all the time. And Todd Bowles, who's an aggressive
Speaker 3: coach in his own right. And Todd worked for me
Speaker 3: in Cleveland. You know, he was a corner coach. He's
Speaker 3: an aggressive guy. And he did what you have to
Speaker 3: do with the Jaguars, and this is what you have
Speaker 3: to be careful of with the Cowboys. He went in
Speaker 3: and said, Okay, we can cover them now with Lamb,
Speaker 3: that's a tough decision. Okay, but with our guys with
Speaker 3: Kirk Hurt, Ridley's not quite where he needs to be
Speaker 3: with the Jags and uh, you know. And then he
Speaker 3: said we can cover him and they're having trouble protected
Speaker 3: so they just let it eat.
Speaker 4: So it was Todd Bowles with with you with Cleveland
Speaker 4: when you were in Cleveland after their head coach of
Speaker 4: the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Yes, and or he came to Dallas with parcels correct. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he and I went to Dallas. We from Dallas to Cleveland.
Speaker 3: I was an assistant head coach coordinator with Davis with
Speaker 3: Butch and we kept Chuck Bagone and Todd. Those are
Speaker 3: the two guys off the defensive staff that we kept.
Speaker 2: We went in there.
Speaker 1: Well, camp, I have one hope for you today that
Speaker 1: Charles Haley's.
Speaker 9: Here probably walking around right now around here.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: He's a he's a trip.
Speaker 2: That I want to say this. I hope, I hope.
Speaker 3: Butch Davis and Wanstead are not listening on this at
Speaker 3: this time because both of those guys wanted to get
Speaker 3: him out of here. I said, wait a minute, hold
Speaker 3: on here, now, let's work with him. And Jimmy wasn't
Speaker 3: letting him go anywhere.
Speaker 4: Believe but as you work so well with the black players,
Speaker 4: and he's one of the best ones I ever worked with.
Speaker 1: All Right, just I'll let you know it before Bill
Speaker 1: goes to break. When he comes walking down the hall
Speaker 1: and everybody's walking towards him, everybody scattered.
Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 4: special guest. We're gonna talk Jimmy as the hour continues. Here.
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Speaker 6: All right, Savannah, I have a question for you.
Speaker 3: Yes, you're a younger generation. I don't know if you.
Speaker 4: Realize that or not, but the okay, for us who
Speaker 4: lived this whole experience with Coach Campo, we can go
Speaker 4: on and on talking about it. For the younger generation,
Speaker 4: what perspective do you have and do Cowboys fans from
Speaker 4: your generation have on Jimmy Johnson and the whole nineties Cowboys.
Speaker 10: Legends, legends.
Speaker 9: Just being able to be here with you today and
Speaker 9: hear all the stories from the nineties and everything that
Speaker 9: you guys did to build those Super Bowl teams.
Speaker 10: It's legendary.
Speaker 9: And that's what every Cowboys fan, whether you're young or old,
Speaker 9: that's what you grow up knowing and learning. And I
Speaker 9: think it's just exciting this weekend, especially for Jimmy and
Speaker 9: all the support around it and everything from the Jones
Speaker 9: family to everyone coming into town to be able to
Speaker 9: be here for this moment. So it's actually very exciting.
Speaker 4: It's for any it's a tribute to what Jimmy and
Speaker 4: Coach Campo and all of them accomplished in their career
Speaker 4: that it stands the test of time decades later, where
Speaker 4: people who didn't even see those teams play know the
Speaker 4: stories of those teams.
Speaker 3: I think a Triplets were so legendary and and you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, we played good defense, but the Triplets were
Speaker 3: the with the draw and and uh, they played really well.
Speaker 3: And I think people still know them because they're in
Speaker 3: the media and and that's you know, and Daryl Johnson's
Speaker 3: in the media.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know the Monday, the three games that were
Speaker 4: played on Monday, the analyst on all three games. CBS
Speaker 4: had the Kansas City Raiders game at noon and it
Speaker 4: was Romo it was the analyst, and then the three
Speaker 4: o'clock game, DJ was the analyst, and then the night
Speaker 4: game it was Troy So.
Speaker 3: And I think you know that that in itself was uh,
Speaker 3: and to almost do it four times in a row,
Speaker 3: I mean really, in all honesty, if if Dion had
Speaker 3: an on board Michael in.
Speaker 2: That game and.
Speaker 3: They didn't call that, I don't know, that probably would
Speaker 3: have been number four. And uh, it's just we had
Speaker 3: great players. I mean, you don't you know, all we
Speaker 3: have to do is just make sure that the guys
Speaker 3: understand that, you know, there's certain things that are important
Speaker 3: to win in a ball game, and the players play,
Speaker 3: and you know, we we were fortunate enough to get
Speaker 3: great players and we had a good eye for players.
Speaker 3: Vincent Smith, great example, Vincent Smith played at Pittsburgh. Uh
Speaker 3: Ken Hurrock, who was the GM for their Braves at
Speaker 3: the Atlanta Yeah, yeah, I was.
Speaker 2: I was at a deal.
Speaker 3: We were at a scouting thing and it was right
Speaker 3: when the the UH first form of pre agency started
Speaker 3: the and we took we took, we took eighteen guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, we took eighteen guys.
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there next to Uck because we're waiting
Speaker 3: for the workout to start. And he was down playing
Speaker 3: the because it was the last ten guys of each
Speaker 3: team on the rosss. Well, we had eighteen of them.
Speaker 3: So he said, well, let me tell you something. I
Speaker 3: had Vincent Smith and in UH in Pittsburgh, he can't play.
Speaker 3: He'll never play. Yeah, he only played in one. I
Speaker 3: think he was in all three, at least, starting outside line.
Speaker 1: That's how you got Nocheck, Tocheck and they walked both
Speaker 1: off the same James Washington.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they were we got players.
Speaker 2: He was acquad on as well. Yes, yes, they had
Speaker 2: those were two huge tight ends. Novcheck was more athletic.
Speaker 1: Yes, like the way he blocked.
Speaker 2: They didn't.
Speaker 3: They didn't like the way nova Check yet of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well don't ask him to rights, right.
Speaker 3: Novacheck's a little bit like the kid that the Jags
Speaker 3: have Ingram. You know, he's he's adequate, but he's he's
Speaker 3: really wide receiving, right, that plays close to the Linus scrimmage.
Speaker 1: So how much attention have you paid to this team?
Speaker 1: Do you get to watch the games?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I have NFL Plus, I get I get
Speaker 3: that because I can watch the whole secondary. When you
Speaker 3: watch it on TV. And I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 3: when you're on when you were in the press box,
Speaker 3: you can't see all the little stuff going on. You
Speaker 3: have to really watch it again, like you were talking about.
Speaker 2: See it.
Speaker 3: So I've seen I didn't watch every Cowboy game, but
Speaker 3: I've seen quite a.
Speaker 2: Few of them.
Speaker 1: And your thoughts, Well, first of all.
Speaker 3: They've got guys that can take the top off the
Speaker 3: coverage and that that's huge, you know, it just puts
Speaker 3: all the pressure on the secondary. The deficiency that I
Speaker 3: see really is the ability to stop the run because
Speaker 3: there you don't want to get into a past situation
Speaker 3: with this team where you have to throw you're in trouble.
Speaker 3: I mean, they've got guys that can rush the passer.
Speaker 3: And I'm talking about what we had back in the day.
Speaker 3: We had eight guys that could play that in the
Speaker 3: defensive front. The Cowboys, I don't know they have eight guys,
Speaker 3: but they've got and they rotate them, and they can
Speaker 3: rush the passer. Even the inside guys can rush the
Speaker 3: pass them.
Speaker 2: You guys have some no names on the team. Yeah, man,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Jones. Jimmy Jones.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Jones was a great one. He could only play
Speaker 3: fifteen places a shot, but he had to recover.
Speaker 4: He had a.
Speaker 3: Into the end zone in the Super Bowl, that's right,
Speaker 3: and he got he got money.
Speaker 6: He went to Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: I think he got the Cree agency.
Speaker 3: So that was a Miami guy and he knew.
Speaker 1: He always have to land passing Lancaster.
Speaker 4: And then they had that other guy from Emporia States
Speaker 4: in their defensive line guy.
Speaker 2: And Eric Williams to that from a small little school
Speaker 2: out in Ohio something.
Speaker 3: He was but you know, Central State. Yeah, but really,
Speaker 3: I think that's the only weakness I see other than
Speaker 3: the offensive line was a little banged up, right, you know,
Speaker 3: And I think.
Speaker 4: You know that has to be well in the part
Speaker 4: of the and part of the problems on the run
Speaker 4: defense right now, And we were talking about it yesterday
Speaker 4: with the loss of Leyton vander Esh at linebacker and
Speaker 4: going back to training camp, they lost the third round
Speaker 4: pick to marve On overshown, who was not going to
Speaker 4: project it to start this year. But when you start
Speaker 4: having injuries in your linebacking corps, he was going to
Speaker 4: get a lot of playing time. And you know, once
Speaker 4: you get into the season, now there's not a whole lot.
Speaker 4: They pick up Rashaan Evans and he didn't pan out.
Speaker 4: He gets waved today. So to the point that they
Speaker 4: come off a game against Buffalo, they moved Marquise Bell,
Speaker 4: a safety to line fourteen.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, right, and.
Speaker 4: So then they get run on by Buffalo, but Buffalo
Speaker 4: gets a lead and so they're able.
Speaker 3: To just run it and run it and run it.
Speaker 4: And then they come up against the Dolphins this week
Speaker 4: and literally there was one linebacker on the field the
Speaker 4: entire game, if you consider a Bell to be a
Speaker 4: safety playing linebacker, and jay Ron Curse was in that
Speaker 4: linebacker position as a safety.
Speaker 1: And speaking of Demoun Clark, I saw that play on
Speaker 1: a bigger screen than what you. Yeah, text me, Oh
Speaker 1: my god.
Speaker 6: The holding.
Speaker 1: The guy grabbed him and tackled him from behind, and
Speaker 1: he gets up and he's jumping up and.
Speaker 2: Down and nothing.
Speaker 4: That was on the last drive of the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was holding. That's ten yards from where they were.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: It was an eight yard run that created second and
Speaker 4: two at the thirteen yard line. And if you get
Speaker 4: the call at the fifteen yard line, you get the call,
Speaker 4: then it's first and twenty at the thirty three and
Speaker 4: they're kicking.
Speaker 6: They're in fifty yard field.
Speaker 4: Goal range instead of twenty yard field.
Speaker 1: There was there was a pass play and and and
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks is coming across the middle and the guy
Speaker 1: almost ripped his jersey off the tack tagging from behind.
Speaker 2: No call.
Speaker 1: There was a there was a chop block on Parsons
Speaker 1: high and low.
Speaker 2: No dangerous.
Speaker 1: It was because the guy pulled him and went down
Speaker 1: and then the other guy came over the top.
Speaker 2: No call.
Speaker 3: The NFL is taking some heat this year on the officials.
Speaker 1: How do you keep your composure on the side of
Speaker 1: you don't?
Speaker 2: I would get kicked.
Speaker 3: We're playing the Giants.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it was eighty nine. Phil Simms was a quarterback.
Speaker 3: We're playing the Giants and I'm halfway out to the
Speaker 3: hash mark. We weren't worth it, thought they were good.
Speaker 3: I'm halfway out to the hashmark, screaming, hollering. Jimmy grabs
Speaker 3: me and pulls me off, and he goes, I'll fire
Speaker 3: you if you go out there.
Speaker 2: The fifteen minutes later he and.
Speaker 6: It was it was a Giants game. I don't think
Speaker 6: it was eighty nine.
Speaker 4: It might have been nine years.
Speaker 2: That was the That was the one in the post.
Speaker 3: Wa you were there and now you're playing for the Giants.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that was the most game press I'm not talking.
Speaker 6: Jimmy said, that's the worst officiating since my daddy said,
Speaker 6: this is what you call the football.
Speaker 3: That was the Giants post. I'll never forget that because
Speaker 3: he was He and I were standing right next to
Speaker 3: each other at least eight or nine yards on the field,
Speaker 3: screaming at the officials at the end of.
Speaker 1: The well, you remember when Parcels he got he got
Speaker 1: pissed at. Oh he ended up being a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: That he was the son of a coach. I forgot
Speaker 1: his name when he was here. Yeah, he was pender
Speaker 1: got Wide, the passing game coordinator. Then he ended up
Speaker 1: at burg as the OC. Anyway, Parcels had lectured him
Speaker 1: all quit yelling at the officials, right and there was
Speaker 1: a call that they didn't get. And this guy, this
Speaker 1: guy he got all over the official and Bill gets
Speaker 1: in the middle of it. He punches him to get
Speaker 1: him off.
Speaker 2: I heard that.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Bill tells the story.
Speaker 4: The next day there was a Seattle game.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The next day we're doing the press conference and he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: my daughter called me and said we need to get back.
Speaker 2: You can't do that.
Speaker 4: All right, We got more time left here with coach Campo.
Speaker 4: And by the way, uh Nate and Frisco has texted in.
Speaker 4: You asked about coach Johnson. We will do that, Coach
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Speaker 4: Dave Campo here and let's talk Jimmy a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 4: what is it that's that stands out to you as
Speaker 4: far as working for Jimmy Jimmy as a head coach.
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 3: Well, there were a few things, but the thing that
Speaker 3: he had that a lot of people don't is he
Speaker 3: knew people. He knew players, He knew he could get
Speaker 3: into their into their mindset, he could he knew when
Speaker 3: to treat people one way or another way. And he
Speaker 3: and he was a great talent evaluator and you know
Speaker 3: he in a lot of cases.
Speaker 2: Uh, I believe this. I heard this story.
Speaker 3: I heard it from Barry, So I don't know if
Speaker 3: he's true or not, but disclaver, but Barry came in
Speaker 3: and he said he went in to try to get
Speaker 3: in the computer and watch a game in Jimmy's office
Speaker 3: when he first got here, and the computer was disconnected.
Speaker 3: So his point was he didn't really watch football. He
Speaker 3: was a CEO, and he had his way of doing things.
Speaker 3: And really, to be honest with you, that was a
Speaker 3: big strength for him. And and the other thing is
Speaker 3: he really he's he's a loyalty guy. He wanted to
Speaker 3: know that the guys that were around him was his,
Speaker 3: were his kind of guys. And I think those things
Speaker 3: are true today, to be honest with.
Speaker 4: You, but he was.
Speaker 3: He was literally a genius literally, and you know all
Speaker 3: this analytics stuff that goes on today, he had it already,
Speaker 3: but he didn't have a computer. He wasn't looking at
Speaker 3: a computer. You know, he had it in his mind.
Speaker 3: He knew when the on side kick, he knew when
Speaker 3: the you know, uh, go for it on, go for
Speaker 3: and for down all the things that they're doing today
Speaker 3: off the analytics.
Speaker 4: He he had that if you can pinpoint what was
Speaker 4: his finest hour as the Cowboys head coach when he.
Speaker 3: Stood up and said, how about them?
Speaker 7: It wasn't I wasn't I was this adult cartoon it's
Speaker 7: called ARCHERD. They put that in there in there, they
Speaker 7: sure did. He was talking about Uh, he was like
Speaker 7: some military thing he was talking about. And the last thing,
Speaker 7: how about them Cowboys?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: A figure cartoon? Yeah, yeah, list and that's legendary everything.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing was the uh when he said, uh, well,
Speaker 3: he said a couple of things. He said, I'll fight
Speaker 3: uh buddy Ryan at the fifty yard line.
Speaker 2: But that was a fine hour.
Speaker 3: And I think the other final was when he went
Speaker 3: when we went to San Francisco and he said, you
Speaker 3: can put it in three inch letters. We're going to win,
Speaker 3: and nobody thought and of course, uh, the head coach
Speaker 3: said he's got.
Speaker 4: George you know what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was that was actually the ninety three
Speaker 1: was ninety yeah.
Speaker 6: So ninety two was.
Speaker 4: When Cowboys went there in one thirty to twenty in
Speaker 4: rout of the first Super Bowl win and then San
Speaker 4: Francisco came here in ninety three.
Speaker 2: That was that one right there. That's your favorite one?
Speaker 2: Is that your favorite?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I wore it because Jimmy ninety five is my favorite
Speaker 3: because I was a coordinator at that time, and and
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: That was a remember your where you'll wear the ninety
Speaker 4: five one when Barry goes into I don't.
Speaker 2: Know if he's.
Speaker 13: The guy.
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I love Barry.
Speaker 1: But you know what after that ninety five one. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember it this way, but uh,
Speaker 1: it looked like you guys were just relieved that you
Speaker 1: and I remember looking in the coaches in the coaches
Speaker 1: locker room and you guys were kind of strewn out
Speaker 1: on the floor and they were still in like whatever
Speaker 1: underwire they had on, and it would look like they
Speaker 1: just had arrived like on a shipwreck, right, And it
Speaker 1: just looked like they were so relieved. There was no celebration.
Speaker 3: They were just laying the tough game.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 3: All of the guys that I do the show with
Speaker 3: in Jacksonville is Leon Cercy played for US at Miami.
Speaker 3: He was a Pro Bowl right tackle in the League
Speaker 3: played for Pittsburgh at that time, and he's one of
Speaker 3: the toughest individuals that I've ever been around. And that's
Speaker 3: what Pittsburgh was at that time. And that was a
Speaker 3: tough ball game for us. It was a It was
Speaker 3: a grinder, and Coward did a great job on that
Speaker 3: on sidekick. We were struggling defensively. They'd move the ball
Speaker 3: all the way down the field until Larry Brown intercepted
Speaker 3: that ball. We were in trouble. And so it was
Speaker 3: really a case of it was a tough win. And
Speaker 3: Zimmer was so fired up. I'm up at the press
Speaker 3: box and there's a minute something left, We've got the
Speaker 3: game won, and he's cussing me out about I want
Speaker 3: to come down and participate. He said, there's still a
Speaker 3: minute and a half.
Speaker 2: Butt. I mean, it was. It was more relief than
Speaker 2: anything else.
Speaker 4: I want to take I want to take you back
Speaker 4: to eighty nine.
Speaker 2: February of eighty nine.
Speaker 4: Okay, when word gets out that Jerry Jones is buying
Speaker 4: the Cowboys and Jimmy Johnson is going to go from
Speaker 4: Miami to the Dallas Cowboys as head coach.
Speaker 2: What do you remember from that time?
Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I remember was that Jimmy didn't
Speaker 3: want to go to that restaurant. Yeah, because he made
Speaker 3: that very clear. And Jerry didn't realize you know, the
Speaker 3: you know, being an oil and gas guy, you know,
Speaker 3: he didn't really understand how it worked, you know, with
Speaker 3: the media.
Speaker 2: And all that.
Speaker 4: So, so basically what happened Savannah is they went to
Speaker 4: Mexican food restaurant.
Speaker 3: What restaurant was it?
Speaker 6: Me MIAs and where.
Speaker 1: In Northwest?
Speaker 6: Time in Dallas, Yes, in Dallas.
Speaker 4: And Ivan Mazelle who went on to career at ESPN,
Speaker 4: he was working for the Dallas Morning News there. He
Speaker 4: spots Jimmy in there, and then he puts two and
Speaker 4: two together because the reports had come out in the
Speaker 4: previous couple of days that this Jerry Jones guy is
Speaker 4: going to buy the Cowboys whatever and so but anyway,
Speaker 4: Jimmy and Jerry are in the restaurant and so a
Speaker 4: picture gets posted basically or published, and I think it
Speaker 4: was on that Saturday morning. Right.
Speaker 1: Then called the photographer at the morning right, he said,
Speaker 1: you got to get here there weren't there were cell
Speaker 1: phones in Savannah, and so it.
Speaker 6: Wasn't like break out his phone.
Speaker 2: That's wow.
Speaker 6: Had quarter.
Speaker 4: It was se it was a week later they had
Speaker 4: developed the film right exactly, and then finally got the paper.
Speaker 6: Really, that's that's.
Speaker 3: When I got nervous because what I said earlier, you know,
Speaker 3: when that came out, I said, oh, you know, I
Speaker 3: may be out of a job, you know, and that
Speaker 3: I remember that very strongly. But I also remember we
Speaker 3: flew in on Jerry's plane and you know the hill
Speaker 3: coming off of uh, what's six.
Speaker 1: Six thirty five to MacArthur.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well at Valley Ranch. We get off, we're
Speaker 3: getting off of six thirty five and we looked down
Speaker 3: and we see the complex. There was nothing there but
Speaker 3: the complex. There were no houses, no anything, no restaurants,
Speaker 3: no buildings, nothing. And that that stuck out to me too,
Speaker 3: because I said, man, where are we here? We in
Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere?
Speaker 1: What. I can't remember what one of your assistants said,
Speaker 1: but he said when we were coming down that hill,
Speaker 1: I said to myself, Oh my god, what have.
Speaker 2: We got ourselves?
Speaker 4: Time? Okay, So then fast forward after the second Super
Speaker 4: Bowl win and then it's March of nineteen ninety four
Speaker 4: and the divorce happens, and so what was going through
Speaker 4: your mind?
Speaker 3: At that point, well, Jimmy had come in and he
Speaker 3: had told us that, you know, what had happened and
Speaker 3: that there was an issue. He said, I think we're
Speaker 3: all right, he said, but I'm going over. And we
Speaker 3: were just sitting in the staff meeting and he said,
Speaker 3: we're going. You know, I'll let you know what's going on.
Speaker 3: So we're just kind of sitting there, and he went
Speaker 3: over and he came walked in and he said, guys,
Speaker 3: it's over, but you guys are.
Speaker 4: All He went over to Jerry's office, which is a hallway,
Speaker 4: and mind you, there was media that was allowed inside
Speaker 4: Valley Ranch in the hallway where we were camped out
Speaker 4: for like two days. They're three days there between Jimmy's
Speaker 4: office and Jerry's office.
Speaker 3: And whenever there was movement, here.
Speaker 4: Are all the mini cams and everything up, and they're
Speaker 4: following Jimmy as he makes the walk to Jerry's office.
Speaker 4: I mean it, we made for great televisions. So then
Speaker 4: you're in a staff meeting, was waiting to see what
Speaker 4: the verdict is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, before i'd finished that, Savannah, when I went on
Speaker 3: of here, there was nobody else.
Speaker 4: I don't feel bad when barcels left with his baseball bat.
Speaker 4: There was I think one photographer was at Channel eleven.
Speaker 4: I think it got the picture of him walking out
Speaker 4: as he happened to steak out there.
Speaker 3: That's why Jimmy's a legend, you know. I mean that's
Speaker 3: you said it right, I mean that group there. But anyway,
Speaker 3: so we're sitting there and Jimmy walked back in and
Speaker 3: he said, hey, guys, it's over. And he said, you
Speaker 3: guys are all right, I think and he said I
Speaker 3: think so. About an hour later, Jerry called us down
Speaker 3: to the staff the regular staff meeting room, and we're
Speaker 3: sitting there and he goes, guys, I want to introduce
Speaker 3: you to your new head coach, and then walked Berry
Speaker 3: and Barry walked in and Barry looked at us and
Speaker 3: he said, hey, let me tell you something. He said,
Speaker 3: I'm not changing anything. That's that's good.
Speaker 2: He said, I only ask you for one thing that's
Speaker 2: be loyal to me. That was it, and he walked out,
Speaker 2: and that was it. We went back to work business
Speaker 2: as usual.
Speaker 7: So my question is they talk about Jimmy and this
Speaker 7: five year thing. Yes, have you ever talked about that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But I agree he's he's once he's there for five years,
Speaker 2: he's ready to go. Yep. And the same with Dallas.
Speaker 2: That's what you said.
Speaker 3: He did Dallas, and he did Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1: The same Alklahoma State and ol Glahoma State.
Speaker 2: You know. I mean I've never talked to.
Speaker 4: Him, know that.
Speaker 1: So the the job with Fox is probably.
Speaker 2: The longest, exactly, and he tried to get into this one.
Speaker 2: They won't let him.
Speaker 6: Yeah you can do it, Yeah you can do it.
Speaker 2: No, but I you know, I say that a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, Hey, Jimmy was a five year guy. That's it.
Speaker 2: You know. I thought it was really just the media,
Speaker 2: you know, speculation.
Speaker 3: I think there's something to it. To be honest, that's crazy,
Speaker 3: But I don't know that. I'm just saying that.
Speaker 1: It makes you feel better. Your predecessor walked out the
Speaker 1: door by himself. Also chan Gaily. The last person he
Speaker 1: saw was me and he wasn't happy.
Speaker 3: Okay, and now now to.
Speaker 4: Wrap this up, what do you what do you think
Speaker 4: it means to Jimmy. There's been so much speculation over
Speaker 4: the last decade that, Okay, when's Jimmy going into the
Speaker 4: Ring of Honor?
Speaker 3: What does it mean to him? I think it means
Speaker 3: an awful lot. I think is he put everything he had.
Speaker 3: You know, he got divorced from his wife as soon
Speaker 3: as he got here, and you know, I don't want
Speaker 3: him to listen to that, but I mean that's he
Speaker 3: was tunnel visioned on what was going to happen at
Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys, and he knew it was a big deal.
Speaker 3: And I can tell you this. We're up at the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame and Jerry and Jimmy are talking. We're
Speaker 3: in a you know, we're in a cowboy party at
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. And Jerry said to him, he said, well,
Speaker 3: I know you you're going to go into the Ring
Speaker 3: of Honor. And Jimmy said, before I die.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it means it means it means a lot
Speaker 2: to him. And and that's why I'm here.
Speaker 3: I'm here because of gratitude for what he did, but
Speaker 3: I'm also here for respect for what he deserves. And
Speaker 3: I did a little video I think is going on
Speaker 3: the board or whatever, and the last thing I said
Speaker 3: was the Ring's not the Ring without you. That's it
Speaker 3: the way I look at it now. I mean I
Speaker 3: was there, I lived it, but that's how I see it.
Speaker 2: Good stuff.
Speaker 3: That's great stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably talked too much. No, look God.
Speaker 6: And by the way, you can.
Speaker 4: Catch more of Dave Campo at eleven am on Saturday
Speaker 4: on CBS eleven on Cowboys Game Day. All right, and
Speaker 4: that does it for mixed shots. And how about we
Speaker 4: take a look at the Detroit Lions tomorrow. Well, I
Speaker 4: got all my Lions notes all right, into the line.
Speaker 4: All right, it's going to be Savannah's show tomorrow as well.
Speaker 4: All right, mix shots, Thanks a lot, coach.
Speaker 2: You're welcome.
Speaker 4: Thanks guys, enjoy your week here back home, and we'll
Speaker 4: shut at you again.
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