WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Campo Returns 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:05.080 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:07.640 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:09.840 Cowboys. 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:16.720 This is Mick Shots, streaming live on dallascowboys dot Com 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:17.360 and the. 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:19.439 Official Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:24.080 Out now Here are Bill Jones, Savannah Humoller, Everson Walls, 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:28.760 and Mickey Spagnola. 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:34.279 And it is time for a very special edition Mick Shots. 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:41.479 Here inside the SWBC podcast studio high noon on a Wednesday. Mickey, 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:46.440 we've got football players on a football field outside. 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.400 On a beautiful day for football year. 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:49.440 Football coach. 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:56.520 Yes, you got a football player in the studio, Everson Walls. Hey, 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:00.560 we've got Savannah going through all of your text messages 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.520 because you're irate that this team has lost two games 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:06.839 in a row. But most importantly, we got a football 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:09.080 coach in the studio, Dave Tampa. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:12.520 Whether it's still coach Campo. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.240 Thank you, thank you, But you know what, its special 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.480 already because that's the legend that ran me all the time. 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.120 Of course they kind of ran him on it. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:26.320 He keeps telling us you ran him out of time. 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:30.480 Now, Campo was my dude, No, no, no, no, my dude. 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:31.960 He was just trying to stay out of the way. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.000 Of all the shots, that's all. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.679 He was in the middle of it all. That's all 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:37.880 good stuff. Well, he proved everybody wrong. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.560 I can tell you that he did what he had 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:40.880 to do. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:46.040 He got a ring before everybody else did. Well. Dave 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:47.200 Campo is in town. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.400 In fact, he just flew in from his home in 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:54.160 Jacksonville because it is a big week from the nineteen 0:01:54.360 --> 0:02:00.680 nineties era after nineteen eighty nine ever, So yes, that's right, 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:04.600 because of course Jimmy, Jimmy Johnson going into the Ring 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:06.800 of Honor on Saturday night, and Coach camp Go is 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:08.640 certainly not going to miss that, right Dave. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:08.920 No. 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.400 And you know the interesting thing is, you know Jimmy 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:13.200 probably as well as I do. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:14.760 You it was around. 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.760 Long enough, but he doesn't like the fanfare. So he 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.560 basically said everybody, hey, you know, we all went to 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.440 the Hall of Fame induction. But he said, hey, you know, 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:29.520 I mean, you know, I'm here because of gratitude, you know, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:32.480 and respect, but gratitude for what he did for me 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.800 and my family, my career. You know, you don't know 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.760 where it would have been had I not ended up 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:42.040 at Miami and coming into here to Dallas. So you know, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:44.320 it's I was going to be here, and I'm going 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.639 to tell him exactly that when I see him. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.640 How long were you there with him at the U 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:49.280 at Miami? 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:52.400 Only two years? And that was a big deal because 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.079 I wasn't quite sure. I knew he was going to 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.480 get a pro job, but you know, everybody else he 0:02:57.520 --> 0:02:59.239 brought with him had been with him for four or 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:02.520 five years, so I was a little nervous, you know, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.919 two years. He's big on loyalty, the guy. Yeah, and 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.960 and loyalty is really big. And I think the thing 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:10.720 that really saved me, to be honest with you, was 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.600 Dave wants it, because you know, the only thing Jimmy 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.880 was concerned about going to the next level was the 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:24.079 NFL passing game. And you know, so Dave said basically 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.760 to Jimmy, hey, look this this guy is smart. He'll 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.760 he'll learn it. He's loyal and and that's how I got. 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.720 Here, really, and the Butch Davis time, and they were 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.200 they were with Jimmy going back to Oklahoma State. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.640 Absolutely, and Tony Wise, you know, I mean those guys 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:41.000 were with him for a long time. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:42.720 And so I was very fortunate. 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.440 You came from where to get to Miami. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.480 From Syracuse Syracuse and you know, Jimmy was a statman 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.080 and we were fifth and seventh and third and past 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:56.720 defensive Syracuse. Now, the one thing about it was nobody 0:03:56.720 --> 0:04:05.000 threw them. So yeah, we had the movies exactly, and 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.200 that Daryl was the first guy. You know, he sent 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.120 us out scouting right away when we got here. And 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.240 Daryl was the first guy I went to see at 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.800 Syracuse because of my association there. 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.479 But I was Weissac still at Syracuse when you were there. 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.880 Wysick was and you know, I think that one of 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:26.760 the reasons he ended up with us is because of Tony. 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.279 You know, Tony was at UH Syracuse as well, so 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:33.160 you know that was you know, he was big on 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:37.760 people knowing people. I'll tell you a quick story. When 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:42.200 I went down for my interview at Miami, I already 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.440 had another job and they weren't going to do anything 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:51.600 until after the Fiesta Bowl. So once did I visit, 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:54.000 I was with him at Pitt. Tony wise lived in 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.240 my house at Washington State. It was two other jobs. 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:02.680 He was a GA at the time. Uh uh excuse me, uh. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:08.280 Dalrymple was a student assistant at Pitt. Uh Kevin O'Neill, 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.160 i'd been with with Oregon State and Pittsburgh. Jankovic the 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:17.080 ad was the president, the student club president at Washington 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.000 State was there, so I figured I'd have a good 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:21.080 shot at this thing. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:21.440 Right. 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.039 Well, I find out later And this is what I 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.159 tell young coaches all the time. You know, how you 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.680 treat people is going to be your legacy when it's 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:33.240 all done. He went downstairs and Al Bellamy, who is 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.520 still in the league a trainer. He's still in the league. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:40.320 I think he's with the Washington Uh commanders. He said, hey, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.880 House Campbell with the black kids. If he'd have said, 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.919 you know, he's this or that, I would not have 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:59.440 gotten since he said, hey, hey the guy they you know. 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:09.040 Except so that was first question and the rest is history. 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:13.640 Right Yeah, So when you got here, uh, Jimmy Dick 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.520 Nolan right correct, That's why. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.800 That's why he wasn't you know, he wanted. But the 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.680 interesting thing is Everson knows this, and we weren't worth 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.880 a darn. We put our scheme. We watched and I 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:29.880 actually and I actually put it in. You know, Dick 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:32.440 was a man, a man, you know, kind of a 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.440 you know, I mean it was a pro attack as 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:40.279 opposed to we were simple, you know, get past rush 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:46.400 and you know that Syracuse, Yeah exactly. So uh yeah, 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.880 and that's why he kept him because he was he 0:06:49.040 --> 0:06:52.440 was not sure you know about that, and he was right. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:55.159 I mean, they taught us a lesson in the first year, 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:56.159 you know game. 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:02.279 Yeah, yeah, we were hailing preseason. Yeah, yeah, we were balling. 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:02.520 Boy. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.840 I think we were like three and one was going 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.800 to touchdown against the Charges. 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.760 I think I like seventy they left. 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:14.920 They left at you know, Dan Reeves was the head 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:18.800 coach at at Denver. We played Denver in the fourth 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.480 game and they left an all starters, the fame quarterback 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.840 in there and they beat us on overtime. That was 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.920 the third low, the first loss. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.160 And we thought, man, I got into seventy sion remember that. 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we thought this was easy. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.840 I scored against I forget who I scored against that. Man, 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.040 we were like, oh my god, such a great family. 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.160 Well my god, we're gonna be you know, we thought 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:42.480 we're gonna come and kick some asses. 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:45.520 Wasn't New Orleans. 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.000 That was after the last preseason game. Jimmy and Jerry 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.960 went off the off the field arm and. 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:55.680 Bring it. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.480 Listen the best. 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.120 We got some butt kicked down there. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.240 I think a BA was something like twenty eight for 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:11.720 thirty two or something. 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.000 Did we score? Did we score? That's what I thought 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.040 it was. It was ugly game. 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:19.720 Two hundred yards, Yeah. 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:22.960 That's true. That's true. Hell did we get one hundred that? 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:23.600 Yeah? 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.000 Everson did get something from us though? Was that because 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.920 when he went to the Giants they were too covered 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:33.520 two teams? 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.280 Yeah, that's true. He just played it differently. Yeah, And 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.600 I was trying to tell Jimmy, we gotta pay this differently. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:42.840 Yeah we can. We can't play still in prem Yeah. Yeah, 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:44.800 that's what that was. 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.320 The Cardinals game and all of that, and our coach, 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.679 we can't play this like this. And then we went 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.480 to the Giants. They played it exactly like you know, 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.079 perfect you know, you guys it was different. Yeah, you 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.320 guys just weren't on that that level yet. As far 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.160 as that little nuance, just that little nuance, right, just 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:01.839 how do you want the concert play? That's the only 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:06.240 nuance it was. Otherwise we needed more players, of absolutely, 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:09.520 But the scheme itself, it got obviously, it got better. 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.880 Yeah. Well, one of the problems One of the problems, obviously, 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.079 was once we got the front seven, that's when we 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:18.160 that's right, I mean. 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.760 You know we're dbs, you know what I mean? 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:24.320 Yeah, you know when you got the pass rush, that's 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:24.679 the key. 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:26.079 Yeah. 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:28.599 We played Cover two without a pass rush, and you 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:33.559 really they hit us on so many seam routes and 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.240 that I could see no one. De vince a Breton 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.040 was never there for me. Right, he got his own 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:39.600 kinds of. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:44.240 One hundred and seventy four total yards on offense in 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:45.760 a twenty eight nothing loss. 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:48.440 First down. They do this day, they do this, Okay, 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.000 they break Yeah, they broke us over. Yeah. 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.920 Bill always gonna find the proof in the pudding. And 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:59.320 it's not just gonna pass by, No, he's gonna dwell. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:09:59.880 Okay. 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.640 Mike Saxon had a better passing day than Troy. 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.080 He was one for one for four yards. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.000 A vision of the TV screen. Look what that is. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:16.000 Broncos are benching Russell Wilson for the final two games. 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:21.480 Goodness, Wow, he doesn't because he's got a contract option 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.720 coming up in March and they wanted to don't want 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.640 to risk an injury before they have to make half 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:27.520 the off season. 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:28.679 Or before they shut him. 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:33.119 Yeah, so Jarrett Stidham will get the start for the Broncos. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:38.280 And this is evidence of a distractable player right here. Coach, 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.400 you can't put a TV monitor because he'll he'll start. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.559 All he had to do is watch the interaction between 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:53.400 Russell Wilson and the last game there. 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:54.160 Something was up. 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.480 Well, I told you the story. I was in Denver 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.319 skiing when I mean in Colorado skiing when they signed him. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:01.719 But what was two years ago? 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:07.160 Every news station led that night with the last piece 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:09.400 of the puzzle is here for the Broncos that we're 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:10.480 going to the Super Bowl. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:11.760 Oops. 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:15.040 I needed to get that. 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:18.920 Story back to the important stuff. What's that camp? Yeah? 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.800 What else you do? Rao? Yeah? 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:24.559 Golf? Every day? 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.680 It so no, I'll tell you what. I don't play 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.640 that much golf, I really, Uh, every day I have 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.719 something I have. I'm on a post game show. You're 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.640 covering the Jacksonville jacket backwash. 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:38.560 That's a scene that's struggling right now. 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:39.040 Listen. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.600 I almost didn't get this gig here with you guys. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.679 I was in the press box when you guys when 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.160 the Cowboys played us last year, and I was doing 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:48.760 a little cheering for the Dagark. 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:55.640 I'm working with it, you know what I mean, that's right, 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:57.240 that's where you're that's where you got here. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:58.440 Your money's being paid. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:02.720 Listen, I'm not getting whatever since. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.120 Well, I remember that when I saw him, he was 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.719 telling me how good this Jaguar team was and that 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.280 the quarterbacks. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.280 The real deal, and he is the real deal when 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:17.960 he doesn't have a shoulder that's fallen off. 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:22.719 I'll tell you what. They're really struggling. And you know 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:26.000 that obviously the Cowboys going through it a little bit 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.120 with the last two ball games. But you know they've 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.160 got the Cowboys have a more talented roster. I mean, 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.360 there's no question about it in my mind, you know. 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.040 And that game was an aberration. When we when Jags 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.880 won last year, I was on a podcast, a guy 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.440 by the name of Mike Tagg who does a Cowboy 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:47.719 podcast out of Tampa. He's a huge Cowboy fan, and 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:48.960 the first thing I said was. 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:54.000 Well, when we talk about I just did it. 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.320 Listen, I'm a Cowboy fan, you know that. But really 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:05.319 they're struggling. The quarterback. Once he got hurt, he hasn't 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.240 been the same, and you know that's something that, you know, 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:09.280 but some guys can. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.199 It's amazing. He came back from U I guess that 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.000 was a knee in Yeah, yeah, that was. 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:16.960 Had a knee, an ankle right there, knee, an ankle, 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.120 a shoulder. I mean, he's been banged up. But uh, 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.040 you know, we're not very good inside in the offensive line, 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.199 so that's a problem. And I think what I saw 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.120 the Cowboy game the other night is is a little 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.120 bit of problem going with the offensive line here. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.920 Well, you gotta get get tired and healthy. And by 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.520 the way, that brings us to some news of the day. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:43.440 Nate Frisco just walked by the studio. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:47.199 Some news of the day. 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.360 Cowboys making a roster move today. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:54.160 Funny mentioned something about that yesterday linebacker situation. 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:57.880 Yes, and we were looking at Rashaun Evans, who has 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:02.040 just been waived. Okay, well, let's go has been activated 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:06.520 from injured reserved to fill the offensive. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:07.280 Need that we might have. 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.800 And Jerry is was on the radio show yesterday optimistic. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.800 Of course, he's always optimistic, but he's optimistic. Doctor Jerry's 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.600 optimistic that Tyrone will be able to play. 0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:22.400 Did you hear what he said? It went right over 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:28.760 everybody's head, he said. He said, after his after we 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:33.040 give him that injection, he's usually better. So they gave 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.680 him a shot, right, and and somebody thought it was. 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:39.200 Still a stinger. It's not a stinger. 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:45.040 He's got a disc problem. Uh so uh and he said, 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.600 usually when he gets the injection, he's much better. I 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.680 saw him walking in the locker room. He walked perfectly right, 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:55.520 No limp, there you go. So we'll see what happens. 0:14:55.800 --> 0:15:03.960 I know I should be speaking out ont the injury. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.400 Listen if you want to hear Jimmy was hearing these. Listen, 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:10.440 if you want to hear anything about the Cowboys, Jerry 0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:14.200 will tell you which job which I love about him? 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:15.920 I mean, you know, that's it. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:17.200 He's that's him. 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:22.280 So I looked up Evans. He it since he got here, 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:26.440 seventy nine seventy one snaps, so seven point five percent 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:27.800 of the snaps. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.440 And you got that broken down to how much money 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:31.880 he's paid. 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.040 I did not Yeah, nine tap, did you bill? 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:36.520 It's not much. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.240 It's he's in a veteran minimum deal. 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:42.600 Last four games, he's only had fourteen snaps and eleven 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:45.640 in one of those, so they weren't using them. 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.040 To the point that they had six dv's on the 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:50.840 field virtually the entire game against Miami, and maybe that 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:52.240 was a strategic. 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:52.960 There's a reason for that. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.920 And yeah, so they didn't trust him, Yeah, obviously. Uh 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:02.320 and then well let's go I've been wondering when but 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.360 do you take the chance of saying, well, we got 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:10.600 this veteran guy over here playing great, and we got 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.240 this guy as young and he hasn't played at all, 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:13.960 you know. 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:16.360 And he's got a shoulder issue that it seems like 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.920 every time he plays that something happens with that. 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:20.480 So I don't know what they do. But if you 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.600 go back, you inspired me last night to go back 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.760 and watch more of the game. And you know, part 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:31.840 of his Chuma's problem was, well, he's a little slow 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:32.480 off the ball. 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:33.240 He gets beat. 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:37.520 The other problem was he was just making decision mistakes, 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:42.680 Like he kept he kept double teaming with Tyler Smith 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.040 at guard when the guy was blitzing off the outside 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.760 coming clean. And it's like, at some point, don't you 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.920 have to recognize that? And so that was almost the 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.200 decisions he was making. We're almost as bad as you know. 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.200 Getting beat physically is one thing, but gosh, you got 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.000 to recognize I think, I think, and even with that, 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.399 we only gave up you know what, twenty one points 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:06.760 twenty two miracle. 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.200 Yeah, and that's that's a high powered offense considering. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:14.199 But the problem was, though, is that they only scored 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.199 twenty and the quarterback sacked four times and got hit 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.920 twelve times and got out of a couple that I 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.320 don't know how he got out of. Even that last 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.520 I think it was the last drive. It was fun 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.760 away and dumped it to the tight end he was 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:30.400 going down. 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.560 No disrespect to us dB guys, but if you're not 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.760 operating up front, you're in trouble. We got Charles Haley 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.359 here back in the day. That was that's why we 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:43.760 won Super Bowls. I mean, you know, we played better 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:47.160 and all those kinds of things. But in reality, the front. 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:49.520 The front, another dB had something to do with that 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:54.480 as well. That's too. Yeah, that guy named Smith, Yeah 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.160 that was the last. Yeah, the last. 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.200 Darren Woodson probably had a pretty good hand and its out. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.760 Yeah, I mean it's he always had a hand in there. Yeah. 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.760 So but really the front, that's the same thing that's 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:08.480 happening with the Jaguars. I mean, you know, they're getting 0:18:08.920 --> 0:18:13.159 pressure all the time. And Todd Bowles, who's an aggressive 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.720 coach in his own right. And Todd worked for me 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:21.400 in Cleveland. You know, he was a corner coach. He's 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.720 an aggressive guy. And he did what you have to 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.359 do with the Jaguars, and this is what you have 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.560 to be careful of with the Cowboys. He went in 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:32.600 and said, Okay, we can cover them now with Lamb, 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.280 that's a tough decision. Okay, but with our guys with 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.639 Kirk Hurt, Ridley's not quite where he needs to be 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.800 with the Jags and uh, you know. And then he 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.960 said we can cover him and they're having trouble protected 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:49.520 so they just let it eat. 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.160 So it was Todd Bowles with with you with Cleveland 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:54.000 when you were in Cleveland after their head coach of 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:54.520 the Cowboys. 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:59.080 Yes, and or he came to Dallas with parcels correct. Yeah, 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:02.760 he and I went to Dallas. We from Dallas to Cleveland. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.280 I was an assistant head coach coordinator with Davis with 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:12.479 Butch and we kept Chuck Bagone and Todd. Those are 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:14.960 the two guys off the defensive staff that we kept. 0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:15.760 We went in there. 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.720 Well, camp, I have one hope for you today that 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:20.320 Charles Haley's. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:24.639 Here probably walking around right now around here. 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:25.640 Let me tell you something. 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.440 He's a he's a trip. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:35.880 That I want to say this. I hope, I hope. 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.840 Butch Davis and Wanstead are not listening on this at 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.199 this time because both of those guys wanted to get 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:45.560 him out of here. I said, wait a minute, hold 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.880 on here, now, let's work with him. And Jimmy wasn't 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:50.000 letting him go anywhere. 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.919 Believe but as you work so well with the black players, 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.680 and he's one of the best ones I ever worked with. 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:01.280 All Right, just I'll let you know it before Bill 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:03.600 goes to break. When he comes walking down the hall 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.000 and everybody's walking towards him, everybody scattered. 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:08.280 All right. 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.560 We continue with more mixed shots with Dave Kempo, our 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.080 special guest. We're gonna talk Jimmy as the hour continues. Here. 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:19.840 In just a moment, I'm Dak Prescott, quarterback of the 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:20.640 Dallas Cowboys. 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.720 And they snapped the fresh guy who looks right, it's 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.880 not there. He escaped left. 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