WEBVTT - The Curious Case of Nazi Catboys: Part 2 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:09.600 Recording in progress. All right, well that's my opening. Welcome 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.920 to part two of Why They're Nazi Cowboys. Um, what 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.360 is this podcast? Garrison? It could happen here? Talking about 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.239 that together the cap boys of Nazis? Which did which 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.560 did actually happen here? They're actually we'll talk about how 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.120 they actually happened. Um. But before we before we get 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:30.840 into the topic of fascists becoming fem boys via exposure, 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:33.120 because I do, We're gonna start off by talking about 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.879 kind of well generally the book book the episodes can 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.080 be talking about people who are fascists who then get 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.880 in defend boys techics. Right, last episode we talked about 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:42.800 the fem fast, people who are fem boys who they 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.040 get into fascism. Now we're talking about the fascists who 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.240 now get into fend boys. Um. But before we get 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:51.199 real into that, I think it's gonna I think it 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.280 would be helpful to get a bit more into what 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.840 these online communities were like in the um. Now, all 0:00:57.880 --> 0:01:00.480 the sympos like a combination of what I've gleaned from reviews, 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:03.480 direct messages, my own pulling up of old like four 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.440 Chuna read it threads. It may not necessarily reflect your 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:08.760 on experiences perfectly. What is the most in depth I 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.600 can do on an audio only medium. Um, some won't 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.800 be thrilled about this, but we do need to discuss 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.080 traps um at their place within the online community at 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.560 the time. UM, which means we must divine, which means 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:22.640 before we first must to find another term for the 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:27.880 blissfully unaware. So really heartbreaking because when I was a child, 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:32.360 Garrison trap was just a house where you hit your drugs. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.240 It is it is not a trap house. This is 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.800 a different, different, different type of track. This is, this 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.920 is this is before trap house turned into a podcast. Yeah, 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.440 and people didn't know what a trap house was. Great 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.840 heartbreaking the term, but the term trap is were using 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.960 it here UM, at least on the internet, originates in 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.080 the in the early two thousand's on image boards UM 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.480 specifically for June UM and it it got to be 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.400 as it as it got more populous, to term got 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:07.880 more kind of widely recognized as a slur specifically usually 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.560 a slur against trans women UM or a slur for 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.760 like any like feminine presenting a person who was a 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:19.120 signed mail at birth. So it's it's it's use and 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:23.200 origins at least when the Internet comes from people posting 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.720 pictures usually from anime very like feminine looking boys, um, 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:31.520 alongside the meme of Admiral Akbar saying it's a trap. Right, 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.239 So this this is this is how this idea of 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.480 the trap kind of started, at least online. I talked 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.079 with some like other trans friends of mine. They say 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.919 that it definitely they in their opinion, they remember it 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.000 being a term even before the two thousands on the Internet, 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.240 of being kind of more of a slur towards trans women. Um. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.919 I can't find any kind of stuff online about that 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.400 specific angle, but the term the term may be older 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.440 than that offline, but at least the online use of 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.280 it really comes from the Admiral Actbar meme. UM. So 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.400 of course, the it's a trap idea kind of implies 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:05.480 some form of deceptions at play, right with these drawings 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.119 that are pure feminine but may actually be depicting adolescent 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.400 males or you know, worse, trans sexuals right woo, very scary. Um. 0:03:13.960 --> 0:03:17.240 So this this soon got transferred over from being applied 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:20.480 to anime drawings to being applied to pictures and then 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.720 in person encounters of real fem boys or trans people. Um. 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:27.640 So you know, it's as in like if you found 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.519 someone that looks female enough, as the mean would go, 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.679 um if to be attractive, and later found out that 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.200 they were actually a boy or they were a trans woman. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.360 The idea was that, like, you were deceived. Thus you 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:41.400 must be on the lookout for any kind of potential 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:44.280 attractiveness of fem boys or trans women or else you 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:48.680 two might be trapped. Um. So this again, this is 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:52.720 it's it's it's often it's a very transphobic, and it's 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.120 like it's comparing fem boys to trans women because these 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:59.840 are not the same thing. Um. Obviously there's is very 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.120 very hashtag problematic for a lot of reasons. Um. But 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.600 there's also the the meme the of our traps gay, 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.240 which is referring to a kind of like satirical debate 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:15.320 around whether or not it's gay defined a femboy, a 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:19.480 male cross stresser, or even a trans woman attractive. Um. 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:22.159 Now the meme does riff on the whole like fellas 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.040 is it gay? Thing? Um? And gee whiz am I 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.480 glad the fellas meme has surpassed the R traps gay meme. Uh. 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.760 Obviously obviously, not only is the R traps gay thing, 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.120 pretty homophobic and transphobic. Um. It's also tied to a 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:39.240 lot of like real world violence against trans women by men, 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.240 all of the trans panic defense, right, the whole, the whole, 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.720 the whole trap idea kind of does tie into the 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:48.919 transpanic defense. A lot of you know, men who claim 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.400 they simply had to attack or killed trans women once 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.080 they found out that that she had a dick, right, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.240 or maybe used to have a dick, not even anymore, 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.920 or it doesn't dove a matter more commonly or common 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.000 called the trans panic defense. Yeah, yeah, so, and like 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:04.880 the mere thought of that was so scary that they 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.840 just they used the transplanic defense in court when violence 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.560 against trans women is enacted. Now, obviously this is also 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:14.280 much more attacks against trans women in this vein are 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.400 much more common on trans women of color than than 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.159 than white trans woman. That's another that's another important thing 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:25.800 to mention. But circling back to fourtune Nazis and fem 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.240 boys in the in the two thousands and tens, trap 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:33.240 was almost like a badge of honor and self descriptor 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.200 for many fem boys as well, like being able to 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.800 trap or like you know, pass for a woman while 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.360 having a dick was like the highest level of fem 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.479 boy nous. It was like it was like top shelf 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.800 femboy was being because was being able to to achieve 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.360 this feat. Um. Usually this was you know, for the 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.160 purposes of taking like lewd pictures of yourself and then 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.960 having them be you know, well liked or spread across 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.560 online forums. UM. In my interviews with people from these 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:03.000 online spaces longer than I've been around, UM, it was 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.240 it was like described to me by them that being 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.200 like fem boys are just trying to look feminine, whereas 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.040 traps are really trying to look like girls. And that 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.520 is kind of like the distinction in these in these 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.480 places at the time. UM. Now, you know, all while 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:20.600 calling yourself trans was heavily discouraged and ridiculed. Um in 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.160 two thousand and eleven, you know, four chun it was 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:24.800 it was, it was. It was hard to be it 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.479 was hard to even be openly gay, like, let alone transgender. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.720 So but being self described as the trap was much 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.279 more accepted. So a lot of people would actually self 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.080 describe as this or want to be self described as this, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:37.880 like want to be at the point where they feel 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.839 like they could say this, um, and it's it's interesting. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:43.880 It's like a lot of a lot of the attraction 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:49.040 to traps um was in a lot of ways genuine, 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.200 but also all wrapped in this like joking, ironic kind 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.320 of exterior being like, oh, it's all like it it's 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.000 all like a bit that we're that we're all in 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.240 on the joke for right that that's kind of this 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:05.080 was explained away. Another quote from the interviews is like quote, 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:08.560 if you actually admitted to being actually actually romantically attracted 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.920 to traps or femboys, you would be heavily ostracized. People 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:13.800 would say things like, oh my god, you actually did it, 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.520 like you actually did the thing um, because it is 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.440 it is. It was like wrapped in this sense of 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.360 of of of like irony and and and any hint 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.520 of sincere attraction was masked in this like ironic joke 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.240 like facade. So at this point four chan is basically 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:34.440 an amateur porn filled sesspool of anime, h gaming, edgy jokes, 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.480 and increasingly bad politics, with pole really taking the shape 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.080 of like the Nazi machine that it is today. So 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.920 close proximity and probability is all it's necessary to make 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.760 these racist and Fen boys have this you know, uncomfortable 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:50.840 awakening once they start seeing a whole bunch of pictures 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:55.120 with people's dicks wearing like made outfits. Um So, with 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.960 with all these like edgy, ironic and not so ironic jokes, 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:04.080 the racists populating these chans forums, online spaces, it's only 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.360 a matter of time before they get exposed to boys 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:10.360 posing in Japanese tennis skirts and pink wigs, which helps 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.680 create this infinity loop idea of like FEN boys to 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.000 get into racism and then fascism, and then and fascists 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:20.040 who discover they like dick girls and when boys were addresses, 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:22.240 and then it's it's because they're because these things are 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:24.760 happening right next to each other. It's this whole phenomenon 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:29.480 of self contradiction that just keeps itself going. So we 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.040 we were now we were now done this section, thankfully, 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:34.319 um I did not want to get into having to 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:35.880 talk about all that stuff because I know it's not 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:39.000 people don't like talking about it. It's pretty, it's pretty. 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.320 It's plays on a whole bunch of extremely like transphobic 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.120 like tropes, but it is it is a big part 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.160 of this this this kind of phenomenon. Um. So now 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.679 we're going to next part, which is in cells gamer 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:58.760 gate and anti feminism. So I I'm I'm not going 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:03.600 to focus a lot on the idea of repressed queerness here, right, 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.839 the idea of like raging homophopes being secretly gay, because 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:08.800 I think that idea gets a little too much attention 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.160 when we talk about this sort of thing. Now, don't 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:14.320 get me wrong, this absolutely does happen, but I generally 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.880 view sexuality, gender identity, and gender expression as much more 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:21.440 fluid attributes, even among people who consider themselves as systems straight. 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.480 So I I don't like defaulting to this like explainer 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.280 of being like, oh they're homophobic, that means they're secretly gay, 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.880 and like that's I think that's kind of lazy and stupid. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.640 But when when when we're talking about the curious case 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.920 of Nazi cowboys, most individuals involved not only identify as 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:39.559 straight and sis gender, but are also very homophobic and 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.360 very transphobic despite their overly like queer behavior, because it 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.520 is it is like queer and like the original sense 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:48.160 of the word. Um, And I think I think there's 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.520 much more interesting ways to analyze this beyond the repressed 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:54.959 gay trope. We've already we've already already are talked about 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.240 some femboys and femboy appreciators adopting reactionary and conservative social 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.040 beliefs to fit into the larger culture around four Chune 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.559 and parts of the online gaming community to find this 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.600 sense of belonging and you know, shared shared community among 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.240 other people. But in order for the fascist femboy to 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:12.800 be such a lasting meme and trope in and of itself, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:14.599 in my mind, there needs to be a bit of 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:19.400 a stronger justification for the inherent contradictions beyond just finding 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.959 community itself. And we will we'll talk about that when 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:27.160 we come back from from from our break. Here's here's 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:30.600 some ads that that are hopefully about how you two 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.480 can go on Amazon dot com and buy a made outfit. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.600 And we're back. Okay, we're going to talk about in cells, um, 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:54.960 one of one of my Yeah it's uh okay, um 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:59.079 in cells or like can voluntarily celibate people whatever I 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:01.120 used to. People who are listening to this know what 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:04.920 in cells are. Um. But the insel movement gained traction 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.839 in the mid twenty teens alongside gamer Gate and the 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.440 growing kind of anti feminist and alongside of mass shooting 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:17.720 probably there was. There was There was also the Toronto 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:21.480 attack when the install round over people in that van. 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:24.439 There's been multiple mass acts of islands tied to the 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.560 in cell idea. And how they A lot of us 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.720 just call them horny isis I've never heard anyone call 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.400 them that before. Well they are, I mean immediately Also 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:37.520 this is This is also the same period where just 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:44.439 isis is on Twitter, so they share where I really 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:46.679 want Isis to chime in on the Will Smith to 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:52.600 face No you don't like I would love here. I'm 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:58.319 waiting for the Taliban's take. No no, no, no no. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.840 It is violet against his violence, comedians, his violent comedians 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.839 justified the Taliban weighs in at six Taliban are you 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.600 could get the Taliban arguing with isis K. By god, 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.679 it could be done. What a what a what a 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:18.600 better world? That especially if Trump was still on Twitter 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:22.400 and commdiate. Oh god, that would have been so funny. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.160 If Trump had been around on Twitter too. It's the 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:29.120 only time I've missed him, just like, oh yeah, yeah, 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:30.559 that would have been that. That would have been the 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:36.160 good ship anyway. Um, yeah, and cells there. It's a 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.760 pretty obtensibly violent movement because it's it's all about making 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:44.160 young men disenfranchised about their future, right. It's this fatalistic 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.600 idea that they were promised things and now those promises 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.120 are no longer being kept by society, so you are 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.600 kind of doomed to live a pathetic life forever. Right. 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.120 So it is a very fatalist idea that really kind 0:12:56.160 --> 0:13:01.160 of encourages acts of violence. Um But the in the 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.560 moment was gaining traction around this whole time, right right 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.160 beside gammer Gate and the growing antifeminist movement, And I 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:08.839 think the key to putting this puzzle together is in 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:12.839 the hatred and resentment of women itself, um as like 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.520 a thing. I think think this is actually a key 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.480 part of why the femboy and femboy fascist thing kind 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:20.679 of caught on. Most of the loose organizing of these 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:24.320 movements were happening on four Chan and Reddit right eventually 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.640 eventually discord as well. These were the same places that 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:31.440 were home to the anime posting femboy amateur porn community, 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.360 and one of the most common viewpoints at the time 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.160 was that feminism is ruining women, right, It's it's it's 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:41.800 disrupting the natural patriarchal order that many boys were taught existed, 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.000 you know, with promises of girlfriends and wives that are 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.520 like rightfully there's as some kind of like obligation. Yeah, 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.600 I mean this is when we talked about like promise 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.520 people being men being promised women were generally talking about 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.959 like the way in which fiction kind of complicitly promises 0:13:57.679 --> 0:14:01.559 women as as a reward for heroic orgy. It's just 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.920 being good. It's like it's it's it's specifically like a 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.800 cultural idea that is probably the best example of this. 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:11.040 Star Wars, Luke Skywalker becomes a hero and gets to 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.640 gets to kiss his sister, you know, yes, which is 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:18.880 just think which is the driving driving motivation of many 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.680 many in sales said they took in one day because 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.440 their sister. Thank thank you Robert for that for that 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:30.000 cistinct analysis. I used to I used to be a 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:35.000 film's reviewer, Garrison. So like, if you're taught and raised 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.360 like thinking that something like this exists, right like this, 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.640 this this this correct patriarchal order, like it's like it's 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.840 it's it's almost it's almost like this like righteous truth. Um, 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.760 and you if you then discover they're like, that's kind 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.640 of a lie, and that like women are actually individuals 0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.400 with value not tied to the ownership by a man. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:57.000 Um Some men have a very very unhealthy, often violatile 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:01.720 reaction to this realization or confrontation, and so some people 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:05.400 then decide to do mass shootings. Some people, uh kill people, 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.680 some people just do you know, some people might just 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:11.880 do you know, like um intimate partner violence, right, say 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.960 that they do get a partner at some point and 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:15.800 it's not going the way they want and they just 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.400 become abusive. Right. So there's a whole bunch of ways 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.360 this this type of thing can manifest. Um. So, faced 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.080 with the work of like not being a dick and 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.320 trying to combat this ingrained misogyny and then having to 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.680 like actually put effort into being attractive and desired, a 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.840 lot of men instead opts to either like attack outwards 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.920 or withdrawal inwards, and sometimes the mix of both. So 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:40.920 with the with the fascist from boy thing, a lot 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.440 of this is like withdrawing in words, right, A lot 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.120 of these people are too introverted and to kind of 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:48.480 cowardly to actually do like a mass shooting, which is 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.920 like that's that's that's that's probably good. Um. But then 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.080 with them and drawing in words, we're gonna it's kind 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.240 of manifest in this in this in this different way. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:01.080 So when dealing with this almost like misogynistic nihilism, a 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:03.400 lot of dudes really lost hope in the prospect of 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.680 a future romance with women. So instead of putting in 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.400 effort to adjust their personality, adjust their behavior, change the partrict, 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.840 but change their patriarchal outlook and improve their physical appearance, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.760 many guys inside will retreat to their online communities full 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.760 of other guys facing similar issues. All Right, it's easier 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:20.560 to live in front of a screen and I have 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:24.000 to face other humans in person. These these people don't 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:27.080 really have much substantial experience in real life interacting with 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:31.480 the opposite gender. Um. So these perhaps you know, these 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:34.320 these so called straight guys that were drawn to fend 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.440 boys also may have had just had like bad experiences 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.480 with women. They may have faced rejection, and that rejection 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.120 may have really brought them down. Um, And then they 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:45.600 assume that they're always going to be rejected by women 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.480 because of like a few bad experiences and the kind 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.360 of guys who are on these chans forums and Reddit 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:55.480 online gaming. They tend to be generally more socially outcast, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:17:00.040 people who aren't necessarily super physically naturally like attract of 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.880 the masculine right you have like people everyone, almost everyone 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:04.280 can be attractive. You just have to like put in 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:06.359 work if you if you just never do that, Like 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.000 a a lot of boys are never taught how to 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.840 actually make themselves look good, so they're just kind of 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:16.280 like just like, like attractive isn't much like they if 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.280 you go on these in cell forms, they'll focus a 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.959 lot on like, well I have you know, there's these 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.840 folds in the creases of my eyes, or like the 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:28.000 way that my nose is very physically impossible for a 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.119 woman to be into me. And it's like now like 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:34.600 more than people Like there's all sorts of different preferences 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.600 people have for physical things, but overall, like the number 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.480 one thing you can do to be attractive is to 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.800 be a person that people like be confident their life 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.680 if you have like have a good personality, like learn 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.080 how to do a variety of things and just like 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.760 have have a life. A lot of people like that 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.399 seems neat They think that they can achieve you know, 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:58.600 they think that women should flock to them, even if 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:00.119 they put in like no effort at all, Right, they 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.119 just do what they're doing. They feel like why is 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.080 this not working or the effort they put in. It's 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.919 like Ellie again, Eliot Rodgers the perfect example of these 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:09.760 kind of people. Like the effort that he put in 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.720 was he like made his dad buy him a really 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.679 nice car and he dressed in expensive clothing. And it's like, well, 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.000 that's actually very few people are attracted to that. And yes, 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.159 the people who are attracted solely to someone having a 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:25.840 nice car and clothing probably really weird specific like physical things. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.879 They're also only looking for um. But that's because you 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:34.639 were like like that, that's not making yourself attractive as 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:37.680 opposed to I don't know, learning how to cook or 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:42.320 or learning you know, a foreign language, or you know, 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:47.760 being an emotionally available person who's not purely viewing relationships 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.919 into transactional nature where you're you're paying for sex by 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.720 being friendly, you know, but you know in a way. 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.840 But you know, what's easier than doing all that is 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.520 just hating women. That is, that's a much easier to 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:02.680 think of these these people to do default to this. 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:05.320 So the Internet taught me one thing. It's that it's 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:09.159 quite easy to hate women. So while these like all 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:12.200 right hell holes like four Chune um and you know 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:16.000 read it online gaming right, online gaming is full of misogyny, um, 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:20.200 all these all these places like really hate like actual women. 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:24.520 It's they still heavily fetish size femininity, right, It's still 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.680 viewed as this like glorious, like like thing that's put 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.159 put put put put put on a pedestal, even though 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:34.960 they hate like actual women themselves. So feminine dudes can 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.840 be fem boys or cause play anime to garner attention 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:42.800 or social praise, you know, amidst some you know standard 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.280 you know, like people like oh your faguets, you're disgusting comments, 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:48.800 But you can they can. They can still like cause 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.800 play and dress up and post pictures without being totally 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:55.320 shunned by their fellow edgy all writers because it's kind 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.280 of funny and some of them may actually find it cute, 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:00.119 even even though they may not admit it. Uh. Fem 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:03.480 boys often do have you know, I generally think cute 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:06.480 and effeminate features they can in For these people, a 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:08.639 big part of the goal is to like trick the 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.640 brain into thinking that you're just looking at a girl, 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.320 um that might just so happen to have a penis. 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.719 So therefore, when like viewing these pictures, these guys are 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.480 also like getting a sense of familiarity with girl like imagery, 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.280 um while thinking that like they also might have a 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:27.920 shot and with interacting with this individual because they don't 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:29.760 have a vagina, So that makes it makes interacting with 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.680 them like easier because there's like more things to relate to. 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.920 I guess, um, you would see a lot of like 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.920 role playing and like role playing of sexting and like 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:42.240 role playing of dating girls through this fem boy framework 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.480 just actually a really common occurrence as like and it 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.920 was it was explained as like it's like a sort 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.399 of practice for imagining their future of dating women. It 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.119 was like it was like they're doing this to like 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:57.240 practice interacting with women. Um, so they're just gonna be 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:02.160 role playing dating fem boys whild being Nazis, but they're 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.480 doing it so that it's like a practice so that 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:07.399 they will be better at dating women in the future. 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.480 It's like so that that's that's actually a really common 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:14.720 thing um or like yeah, like sexting as as as like, yeah, 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:16.520 I'm just doing this for practice, Like I'm not doing 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:18.359 this so that I will be good at sexting in 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:21.680 the future, just doing it with these fem boys on 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:26.359 you know, discord on for Chad whatever. Um, because like 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.159 all of like the whole femboy thing is still dealing 0:21:29.280 --> 0:21:33.760 with the patriarchal views of beauty. Right. It's it's femininity 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.000 as the sort of performance put on for the enjoyment 0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:41.399 of others. And because it's about that, like appreciating femininity itself, 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:44.680 it's seen it's a lot safer than full on homosexual attraction, 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.760 right because it's it's allowed if if you're if you 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.640 can appreciate the femininity, then that's allowed to propagate despite 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.919 also kind of being degenerate because the person generally fem 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:58.480 boys usually self ideas male. But because it's wrapped in 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:02.480 this feminine package, it's allowed to be appreciated. Um. And 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:04.680