Speaker 1: Recording in progress. All right, well that's my opening. Welcome
Speaker 1: to part two of Why They're Nazi Cowboys. Um, what
Speaker 1: is this podcast? Garrison? It could happen here? Talking about
Speaker 1: that together the cap boys of Nazis? Which did which
Speaker 1: did actually happen here? They're actually we'll talk about how
Speaker 1: they actually happened. Um. But before we before we get
Speaker 1: into the topic of fascists becoming fem boys via exposure,
Speaker 1: because I do, We're gonna start off by talking about
Speaker 1: kind of well generally the book book the episodes can
Speaker 1: be talking about people who are fascists who then get
Speaker 1: in defend boys techics. Right, last episode we talked about
Speaker 1: the fem fast, people who are fem boys who they
Speaker 1: get into fascism. Now we're talking about the fascists who
Speaker 1: now get into fend boys. Um. But before we get
Speaker 1: real into that, I think it's gonna I think it
Speaker 1: would be helpful to get a bit more into what
Speaker 1: these online communities were like in the um. Now, all
Speaker 1: the sympos like a combination of what I've gleaned from reviews,
Speaker 1: direct messages, my own pulling up of old like four
Speaker 1: Chuna read it threads. It may not necessarily reflect your
Speaker 1: on experiences perfectly. What is the most in depth I
Speaker 1: can do on an audio only medium. Um, some won't
Speaker 1: be thrilled about this, but we do need to discuss
Speaker 1: traps um at their place within the online community at
Speaker 1: the time. UM, which means we must divine, which means
Speaker 1: before we first must to find another term for the
Speaker 1: blissfully unaware. So really heartbreaking because when I was a child,
Speaker 1: Garrison trap was just a house where you hit your drugs.
Speaker 1: It is it is not a trap house. This is
Speaker 1: a different, different, different type of track. This is, this
Speaker 1: is this is before trap house turned into a podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and people didn't know what a trap house was. Great
Speaker 1: heartbreaking the term, but the term trap is were using
Speaker 1: it here UM, at least on the internet, originates in
Speaker 1: the in the early two thousand's on image boards UM
Speaker 1: specifically for June UM and it it got to be
Speaker 1: as it as it got more populous, to term got
Speaker 1: more kind of widely recognized as a slur specifically usually
Speaker 1: a slur against trans women UM or a slur for
Speaker 1: like any like feminine presenting a person who was a
Speaker 1: signed mail at birth. So it's it's it's use and
Speaker 1: origins at least when the Internet comes from people posting
Speaker 1: pictures usually from anime very like feminine looking boys, um,
Speaker 1: alongside the meme of Admiral Akbar saying it's a trap. Right,
Speaker 1: So this this is this is how this idea of
Speaker 1: the trap kind of started, at least online. I talked
Speaker 1: with some like other trans friends of mine. They say
Speaker 1: that it definitely they in their opinion, they remember it
Speaker 1: being a term even before the two thousands on the Internet,
Speaker 1: of being kind of more of a slur towards trans women. Um.
Speaker 1: I can't find any kind of stuff online about that
Speaker 1: specific angle, but the term the term may be older
Speaker 1: than that offline, but at least the online use of
Speaker 1: it really comes from the Admiral Actbar meme. UM. So
Speaker 1: of course, the it's a trap idea kind of implies
Speaker 1: some form of deceptions at play, right with these drawings
Speaker 1: that are pure feminine but may actually be depicting adolescent
Speaker 1: males or you know, worse, trans sexuals right woo, very scary. Um.
Speaker 1: So this this soon got transferred over from being applied
Speaker 1: to anime drawings to being applied to pictures and then
Speaker 1: in person encounters of real fem boys or trans people. Um.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's as in like if you found
Speaker 1: someone that looks female enough, as the mean would go,
Speaker 1: um if to be attractive, and later found out that
Speaker 1: they were actually a boy or they were a trans woman.
Speaker 1: The idea was that, like, you were deceived. Thus you
Speaker 1: must be on the lookout for any kind of potential
Speaker 1: attractiveness of fem boys or trans women or else you
Speaker 1: two might be trapped. Um. So this again, this is
Speaker 1: it's it's it's often it's a very transphobic, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's comparing fem boys to trans women because these
Speaker 1: are not the same thing. Um. Obviously there's is very
Speaker 1: very hashtag problematic for a lot of reasons. Um. But
Speaker 1: there's also the the meme the of our traps gay,
Speaker 1: which is referring to a kind of like satirical debate
Speaker 1: around whether or not it's gay defined a femboy, a
Speaker 1: male cross stresser, or even a trans woman attractive. Um.
Speaker 1: Now the meme does riff on the whole like fellas
Speaker 1: is it gay? Thing? Um? And gee whiz am I
Speaker 1: glad the fellas meme has surpassed the R traps gay meme. Uh.
Speaker 1: Obviously obviously, not only is the R traps gay thing,
Speaker 1: pretty homophobic and transphobic. Um. It's also tied to a
Speaker 1: lot of like real world violence against trans women by men,
Speaker 1: all of the trans panic defense, right, the whole, the whole,
Speaker 1: the whole trap idea kind of does tie into the
Speaker 1: transpanic defense. A lot of you know, men who claim
Speaker 1: they simply had to attack or killed trans women once
Speaker 1: they found out that that she had a dick, right,
Speaker 1: or maybe used to have a dick, not even anymore,
Speaker 1: or it doesn't dove a matter more commonly or common
Speaker 1: called the trans panic defense. Yeah, yeah, so, and like
Speaker 1: the mere thought of that was so scary that they
Speaker 1: just they used the transplanic defense in court when violence
Speaker 1: against trans women is enacted. Now, obviously this is also
Speaker 1: much more attacks against trans women in this vein are
Speaker 1: much more common on trans women of color than than
Speaker 1: than white trans woman. That's another that's another important thing
Speaker 1: to mention. But circling back to fourtune Nazis and fem
Speaker 1: boys in the in the two thousands and tens, trap
Speaker 1: was almost like a badge of honor and self descriptor
Speaker 1: for many fem boys as well, like being able to
Speaker 1: trap or like you know, pass for a woman while
Speaker 1: having a dick was like the highest level of fem
Speaker 1: boy nous. It was like it was like top shelf
Speaker 1: femboy was being because was being able to to achieve
Speaker 1: this feat. Um. Usually this was you know, for the
Speaker 1: purposes of taking like lewd pictures of yourself and then
Speaker 1: having them be you know, well liked or spread across
Speaker 1: online forums. UM. In my interviews with people from these
Speaker 1: online spaces longer than I've been around, UM, it was
Speaker 1: it was like described to me by them that being
Speaker 1: like fem boys are just trying to look feminine, whereas
Speaker 1: traps are really trying to look like girls. And that
Speaker 1: is kind of like the distinction in these in these
Speaker 1: places at the time. UM. Now, you know, all while
Speaker 1: calling yourself trans was heavily discouraged and ridiculed. Um in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven, you know, four chun it was
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was hard to be it
Speaker 1: was hard to even be openly gay, like, let alone transgender.
Speaker 1: So but being self described as the trap was much
Speaker 1: more accepted. So a lot of people would actually self
Speaker 1: describe as this or want to be self described as this,
Speaker 1: like want to be at the point where they feel
Speaker 1: like they could say this, um, and it's it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of a lot of the attraction
Speaker 1: to traps um was in a lot of ways genuine,
Speaker 1: but also all wrapped in this like joking, ironic kind
Speaker 1: of exterior being like, oh, it's all like it it's
Speaker 1: all like a bit that we're that we're all in
Speaker 1: on the joke for right that that's kind of this
Speaker 1: was explained away. Another quote from the interviews is like quote,
Speaker 1: if you actually admitted to being actually actually romantically attracted
Speaker 1: to traps or femboys, you would be heavily ostracized. People
Speaker 1: would say things like, oh my god, you actually did it,
Speaker 1: like you actually did the thing um, because it is
Speaker 1: it is. It was like wrapped in this sense of
Speaker 1: of of of like irony and and and any hint
Speaker 1: of sincere attraction was masked in this like ironic joke
Speaker 1: like facade. So at this point four chan is basically
Speaker 1: an amateur porn filled sesspool of anime, h gaming, edgy jokes,
Speaker 1: and increasingly bad politics, with pole really taking the shape
Speaker 1: of like the Nazi machine that it is today. So
Speaker 1: close proximity and probability is all it's necessary to make
Speaker 1: these racist and Fen boys have this you know, uncomfortable
Speaker 1: awakening once they start seeing a whole bunch of pictures
Speaker 1: with people's dicks wearing like made outfits. Um So, with
Speaker 1: with all these like edgy, ironic and not so ironic jokes,
Speaker 1: the racists populating these chans forums, online spaces, it's only
Speaker 1: a matter of time before they get exposed to boys
Speaker 1: posing in Japanese tennis skirts and pink wigs, which helps
Speaker 1: create this infinity loop idea of like FEN boys to
Speaker 1: get into racism and then fascism, and then and fascists
Speaker 1: who discover they like dick girls and when boys were addresses,
Speaker 1: and then it's it's because they're because these things are
Speaker 1: happening right next to each other. It's this whole phenomenon
Speaker 1: of self contradiction that just keeps itself going. So we
Speaker 1: we were now we were now done this section, thankfully,
Speaker 1: um I did not want to get into having to
Speaker 1: talk about all that stuff because I know it's not
Speaker 1: people don't like talking about it. It's pretty, it's pretty.
Speaker 1: It's plays on a whole bunch of extremely like transphobic
Speaker 1: like tropes, but it is it is a big part
Speaker 1: of this this this kind of phenomenon. Um. So now
Speaker 1: we're going to next part, which is in cells gamer
Speaker 1: gate and anti feminism. So I I'm I'm not going
Speaker 1: to focus a lot on the idea of repressed queerness here, right,
Speaker 1: the idea of like raging homophopes being secretly gay, because
Speaker 1: I think that idea gets a little too much attention
Speaker 1: when we talk about this sort of thing. Now, don't
Speaker 1: get me wrong, this absolutely does happen, but I generally
Speaker 1: view sexuality, gender identity, and gender expression as much more
Speaker 1: fluid attributes, even among people who consider themselves as systems straight.
Speaker 1: So I I don't like defaulting to this like explainer
Speaker 1: of being like, oh they're homophobic, that means they're secretly gay,
Speaker 1: and like that's I think that's kind of lazy and stupid.
Speaker 1: But when when when we're talking about the curious case
Speaker 1: of Nazi cowboys, most individuals involved not only identify as
Speaker 1: straight and sis gender, but are also very homophobic and
Speaker 1: very transphobic despite their overly like queer behavior, because it
Speaker 1: is it is like queer and like the original sense
Speaker 1: of the word. Um, And I think I think there's
Speaker 1: much more interesting ways to analyze this beyond the repressed
Speaker 1: gay trope. We've already we've already already are talked about
Speaker 1: some femboys and femboy appreciators adopting reactionary and conservative social
Speaker 1: beliefs to fit into the larger culture around four Chune
Speaker 1: and parts of the online gaming community to find this
Speaker 1: sense of belonging and you know, shared shared community among
Speaker 1: other people. But in order for the fascist femboy to
Speaker 1: be such a lasting meme and trope in and of itself,
Speaker 1: in my mind, there needs to be a bit of
Speaker 1: a stronger justification for the inherent contradictions beyond just finding
Speaker 1: community itself. And we will we'll talk about that when
Speaker 1: we come back from from from our break. Here's here's
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Speaker 1: And we're back. Okay, we're going to talk about in cells, um,
Speaker 1: one of one of my Yeah it's uh okay, um
Speaker 1: in cells or like can voluntarily celibate people whatever I
Speaker 1: used to. People who are listening to this know what
Speaker 1: in cells are. Um. But the insel movement gained traction
Speaker 1: in the mid twenty teens alongside gamer Gate and the
Speaker 1: growing kind of anti feminist and alongside of mass shooting
Speaker 1: probably there was. There was There was also the Toronto
Speaker 1: attack when the install round over people in that van.
Speaker 1: There's been multiple mass acts of islands tied to the
Speaker 1: in cell idea. And how they A lot of us
Speaker 1: just call them horny isis I've never heard anyone call
Speaker 1: them that before. Well they are, I mean immediately Also
Speaker 1: this is This is also the same period where just
Speaker 1: isis is on Twitter, so they share where I really
Speaker 1: want Isis to chime in on the Will Smith to
Speaker 1: face No you don't like I would love here. I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for the Taliban's take. No no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: It is violet against his violence, comedians, his violent comedians
Speaker 1: justified the Taliban weighs in at six Taliban are you
Speaker 1: could get the Taliban arguing with isis K. By god,
Speaker 1: it could be done. What a what a what a
Speaker 1: better world? That especially if Trump was still on Twitter
Speaker 1: and commdiate. Oh god, that would have been so funny.
Speaker 1: If Trump had been around on Twitter too. It's the
Speaker 1: only time I've missed him, just like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that would have been that. That would have been the
Speaker 1: good ship anyway. Um, yeah, and cells there. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty obtensibly violent movement because it's it's all about making
Speaker 1: young men disenfranchised about their future, right. It's this fatalistic
Speaker 1: idea that they were promised things and now those promises
Speaker 1: are no longer being kept by society, so you are
Speaker 1: kind of doomed to live a pathetic life forever. Right.
Speaker 1: So it is a very fatalist idea that really kind
Speaker 1: of encourages acts of violence. Um But the in the
Speaker 1: moment was gaining traction around this whole time, right right
Speaker 1: beside gammer Gate and the growing antifeminist movement, And I
Speaker 1: think the key to putting this puzzle together is in
Speaker 1: the hatred and resentment of women itself, um as like
Speaker 1: a thing. I think think this is actually a key
Speaker 1: part of why the femboy and femboy fascist thing kind
Speaker 1: of caught on. Most of the loose organizing of these
Speaker 1: movements were happening on four Chan and Reddit right eventually
Speaker 1: eventually discord as well. These were the same places that
Speaker 1: were home to the anime posting femboy amateur porn community,
Speaker 1: and one of the most common viewpoints at the time
Speaker 1: was that feminism is ruining women, right, It's it's it's
Speaker 1: disrupting the natural patriarchal order that many boys were taught existed,
Speaker 1: you know, with promises of girlfriends and wives that are
Speaker 1: like rightfully there's as some kind of like obligation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is when we talked about like promise
Speaker 1: people being men being promised women were generally talking about
Speaker 1: like the way in which fiction kind of complicitly promises
Speaker 1: women as as a reward for heroic orgy. It's just
Speaker 1: being good. It's like it's it's it's specifically like a
Speaker 1: cultural idea that is probably the best example of this.
Speaker 1: Star Wars, Luke Skywalker becomes a hero and gets to
Speaker 1: gets to kiss his sister, you know, yes, which is
Speaker 1: just think which is the driving driving motivation of many
Speaker 1: many in sales said they took in one day because
Speaker 1: their sister. Thank thank you Robert for that for that
Speaker 1: cistinct analysis. I used to I used to be a
Speaker 1: film's reviewer, Garrison. So like, if you're taught and raised
Speaker 1: like thinking that something like this exists, right like this,
Speaker 1: this this this correct patriarchal order, like it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's it's almost it's almost like this like righteous truth. Um,
Speaker 1: and you if you then discover they're like, that's kind
Speaker 1: of a lie, and that like women are actually individuals
Speaker 1: with value not tied to the ownership by a man.
Speaker 1: Um Some men have a very very unhealthy, often violatile
Speaker 1: reaction to this realization or confrontation, and so some people
Speaker 1: then decide to do mass shootings. Some people, uh kill people,
Speaker 1: some people just do you know, some people might just
Speaker 1: do you know, like um intimate partner violence, right, say
Speaker 1: that they do get a partner at some point and
Speaker 1: it's not going the way they want and they just
Speaker 1: become abusive. Right. So there's a whole bunch of ways
Speaker 1: this this type of thing can manifest. Um. So, faced
Speaker 1: with the work of like not being a dick and
Speaker 1: trying to combat this ingrained misogyny and then having to
Speaker 1: like actually put effort into being attractive and desired, a
Speaker 1: lot of men instead opts to either like attack outwards
Speaker 1: or withdrawal inwards, and sometimes the mix of both. So
Speaker 1: with the with the fascist from boy thing, a lot
Speaker 1: of this is like withdrawing in words, right, A lot
Speaker 1: of these people are too introverted and to kind of
Speaker 1: cowardly to actually do like a mass shooting, which is
Speaker 1: like that's that's that's that's probably good. Um. But then
Speaker 1: with them and drawing in words, we're gonna it's kind
Speaker 1: of manifest in this in this in this different way.
Speaker 1: So when dealing with this almost like misogynistic nihilism, a
Speaker 1: lot of dudes really lost hope in the prospect of
Speaker 1: a future romance with women. So instead of putting in
Speaker 1: effort to adjust their personality, adjust their behavior, change the partrict,
Speaker 1: but change their patriarchal outlook and improve their physical appearance,
Speaker 1: many guys inside will retreat to their online communities full
Speaker 1: of other guys facing similar issues. All Right, it's easier
Speaker 1: to live in front of a screen and I have
Speaker 1: to face other humans in person. These these people don't
Speaker 1: really have much substantial experience in real life interacting with
Speaker 1: the opposite gender. Um. So these perhaps you know, these
Speaker 1: these so called straight guys that were drawn to fend
Speaker 1: boys also may have had just had like bad experiences
Speaker 1: with women. They may have faced rejection, and that rejection
Speaker 1: may have really brought them down. Um, And then they
Speaker 1: assume that they're always going to be rejected by women
Speaker 1: because of like a few bad experiences and the kind
Speaker 1: of guys who are on these chans forums and Reddit
Speaker 1: online gaming. They tend to be generally more socially outcast,
Speaker 1: people who aren't necessarily super physically naturally like attract of
Speaker 1: the masculine right you have like people everyone, almost everyone
Speaker 1: can be attractive. You just have to like put in
Speaker 1: work if you if you just never do that, Like
Speaker 1: a a lot of boys are never taught how to
Speaker 1: actually make themselves look good, so they're just kind of
Speaker 1: like just like, like attractive isn't much like they if
Speaker 1: you go on these in cell forms, they'll focus a
Speaker 1: lot on like, well I have you know, there's these
Speaker 1: folds in the creases of my eyes, or like the
Speaker 1: way that my nose is very physically impossible for a
Speaker 1: woman to be into me. And it's like now like
Speaker 1: more than people Like there's all sorts of different preferences
Speaker 1: people have for physical things, but overall, like the number
Speaker 1: one thing you can do to be attractive is to
Speaker 1: be a person that people like be confident their life
Speaker 1: if you have like have a good personality, like learn
Speaker 1: how to do a variety of things and just like
Speaker 1: have have a life. A lot of people like that
Speaker 1: seems neat They think that they can achieve you know,
Speaker 1: they think that women should flock to them, even if
Speaker 1: they put in like no effort at all, Right, they
Speaker 1: just do what they're doing. They feel like why is
Speaker 1: this not working or the effort they put in. It's
Speaker 1: like Ellie again, Eliot Rodgers the perfect example of these
Speaker 1: kind of people. Like the effort that he put in
Speaker 1: was he like made his dad buy him a really
Speaker 1: nice car and he dressed in expensive clothing. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: that's actually very few people are attracted to that. And yes,
Speaker 1: the people who are attracted solely to someone having a
Speaker 1: nice car and clothing probably really weird specific like physical things.
Speaker 1: They're also only looking for um. But that's because you
Speaker 1: were like like that, that's not making yourself attractive as
Speaker 1: opposed to I don't know, learning how to cook or
Speaker 1: or learning you know, a foreign language, or you know,
Speaker 1: being an emotionally available person who's not purely viewing relationships
Speaker 1: into transactional nature where you're you're paying for sex by
Speaker 1: being friendly, you know, but you know in a way.
Speaker 1: But you know, what's easier than doing all that is
Speaker 1: just hating women. That is, that's a much easier to
Speaker 1: think of these these people to do default to this.
Speaker 1: So the Internet taught me one thing. It's that it's
Speaker 1: quite easy to hate women. So while these like all
Speaker 1: right hell holes like four Chune um and you know
Speaker 1: read it online gaming right, online gaming is full of misogyny, um,
Speaker 1: all these all these places like really hate like actual women.
Speaker 1: It's they still heavily fetish size femininity, right, It's still
Speaker 1: viewed as this like glorious, like like thing that's put
Speaker 1: put put put put put on a pedestal, even though
Speaker 1: they hate like actual women themselves. So feminine dudes can
Speaker 1: be fem boys or cause play anime to garner attention
Speaker 1: or social praise, you know, amidst some you know standard
Speaker 1: you know, like people like oh your faguets, you're disgusting comments,
Speaker 1: But you can they can. They can still like cause
Speaker 1: play and dress up and post pictures without being totally
Speaker 1: shunned by their fellow edgy all writers because it's kind
Speaker 1: of funny and some of them may actually find it cute,
Speaker 1: even even though they may not admit it. Uh. Fem
Speaker 1: boys often do have you know, I generally think cute
Speaker 1: and effeminate features they can in For these people, a
Speaker 1: big part of the goal is to like trick the
Speaker 1: brain into thinking that you're just looking at a girl,
Speaker 1: um that might just so happen to have a penis.
Speaker 1: So therefore, when like viewing these pictures, these guys are
Speaker 1: also like getting a sense of familiarity with girl like imagery,
Speaker 1: um while thinking that like they also might have a
Speaker 1: shot and with interacting with this individual because they don't
Speaker 1: have a vagina, So that makes it makes interacting with
Speaker 1: them like easier because there's like more things to relate to.
Speaker 1: I guess, um, you would see a lot of like
Speaker 1: role playing and like role playing of sexting and like
Speaker 1: role playing of dating girls through this fem boy framework
Speaker 1: just actually a really common occurrence as like and it
Speaker 1: was it was explained as like it's like a sort
Speaker 1: of practice for imagining their future of dating women. It
Speaker 1: was like it was like they're doing this to like
Speaker 1: practice interacting with women. Um, so they're just gonna be
Speaker 1: role playing dating fem boys whild being Nazis, but they're
Speaker 1: doing it so that it's like a practice so that
Speaker 1: they will be better at dating women in the future.
Speaker 1: It's like so that that's that's actually a really common
Speaker 1: thing um or like yeah, like sexting as as as like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just doing this for practice, Like I'm not doing
Speaker 1: this so that I will be good at sexting in
Speaker 1: the future, just doing it with these fem boys on
Speaker 1: you know, discord on for Chad whatever. Um, because like
Speaker 1: all of like the whole femboy thing is still dealing
Speaker 1: with the patriarchal views of beauty. Right. It's it's femininity
Speaker 1: as the sort of performance put on for the enjoyment
Speaker 1: of others. And because it's about that, like appreciating femininity itself,
Speaker 1: it's seen it's a lot safer than full on homosexual attraction,
Speaker 1: right because it's it's allowed if if you're if you
Speaker 1: can appreciate the femininity, then that's allowed to propagate despite
Speaker 1: also kind of being degenerate because the person generally fem
Speaker 1: boys usually self ideas male. But because it's wrapped in
Speaker 1: this feminine package, it's allowed to be appreciated. Um. And
Speaker 1: for the people that did eventually come to terms with
Speaker 1: their queerness, the four Chan femboie thing allowed them to
Speaker 1: safely dip their toes into exploring how like exploring homosexuality, bisexuality,
Speaker 1: exploring like gender bending without like abandoning the typical masculine
Speaker 1: feminine rules that were kind of raised to be comfortable with. Right,
Speaker 1: it's still in the regular masculine feminine like rule sets,
Speaker 1: but it's approachable because it's allowed to be done through
Speaker 1: this both both this like ironic joke, but then also
Speaker 1: it's still it's still based off these patriarchal views of
Speaker 1: feminine beauty. So it's it's it's it's a weird thing. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's that's a it's the other part of it
Speaker 1: that I like to explain to people because you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that is like trying to picture fascists fake dating each
Speaker 1: other online so that they'll be better at dating women
Speaker 1: in the future. It's just a very absurd idea. It's
Speaker 1: I it's fair. I'm actually fine with this, but like
Speaker 1: it makes like it makes sense, like it like it,
Speaker 1: like I understand it, and you can like yeah, I
Speaker 1: get it. Um. And it did help a lot of
Speaker 1: people eventually realize maybe I'm not the straightest stick in
Speaker 1: the shed, or maybe not the straightest stick in the fascies. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone needs a safe space to figure out
Speaker 1: what they are, and I guess that even includes fascists
Speaker 1: maybe because like not because I want fascists to be fascists,
Speaker 1: but because maybe some of them, through this weird role
Speaker 1: playing role will like get over some stuff absolutely recognize that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'm just like gay and I need to
Speaker 1: like work on myself, like I'm I'm maybe I've been
Speaker 1: barking up the wrong tree with all this Nazi stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because amidst like the gamer Gate, in the height of
Speaker 1: the insult era, these guys felt more comfortable exploring their
Speaker 1: eagining sexuality in these male dominated online spaces right there.
Speaker 1: It's easier to relate to other males when they're when
Speaker 1: they're all like growing up, coming of age, dealing with
Speaker 1: dealing with these like feelings of it like abandonment, loneliness.
Speaker 1: Right they do this in these male spaces. They feel
Speaker 1: a lot safer to express themselves, um, you know what,
Speaker 1: whether or not they're full of fascists or like other
Speaker 1: people who are like very like reactionary, because at least
Speaker 1: they can understand male desire um and that's they can
Speaker 1: relate to that and internect with people who are you know,
Speaker 1: they they can eat innoct easier with people with dicks
Speaker 1: well wrapped in this feminine package, which is so much
Speaker 1: easier than the much more scary and much more elusive
Speaker 1: of like females out there. Right, It's it's that that's
Speaker 1: kind of the framework that this was propagated through. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting that it's like you have these
Speaker 1: people who like they're they're like they're they're they're Transmisogyny
Speaker 1: is such that like they they they've escalated to a
Speaker 1: point where it circles back or yes, it is. It
Speaker 1: is so intense. It is such a it's there's so
Speaker 1: much going on. Yeah, yeah, it's like it's like it
Speaker 1: becomes this like like I don't know, it becomes like
Speaker 1: the fact that it's like conceptually impossible for them for
Speaker 1: just like a woman to have a dick like that
Speaker 1: has like circled back around and just completely come to
Speaker 1: define how they have gender in such a way that
Speaker 1: someone who is like just is performing gender like as
Speaker 1: a woman, like to the extent that like they're trying
Speaker 1: to like they're they're trying to have people use like
Speaker 1: to trancellors against them. Yeah, it's it's an interesting there's
Speaker 1: there's there's so much going on because yeah, it's routed
Speaker 1: in a whole bunch of it's people exploring gender in
Speaker 1: this weird way. Well also like relying on heavily like misogynistic,
Speaker 1: trans misogynistic, homophobic kind of ideas. But it's it's also
Speaker 1: it's like it's very queer in this and like the
Speaker 1: way in the way they're going about it, because it's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of like self it's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of like self justification. It's a it's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of like stuff around like what they view as feminine,
Speaker 1: what they views masculine, what what they view like being
Speaker 1: a woman means, um it is it is, it is. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot yeah, like as as like a
Speaker 1: more as like a gender queer trans person. I like,
Speaker 1: I like look at them go through all this work,
Speaker 1: and like, wow, they could have bypassed a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of bullshit if they just like less of a dick,
Speaker 1: Like if they're just less of if they work as
Speaker 1: horrible people, they could have experienced these same things. But again,
Speaker 1: like they were, they're in their own isolated communities, they're
Speaker 1: they're dealing with these same ingredients just from this weird
Speaker 1: backwards way. So like it's it's obviously very transphoblic and
Speaker 1: in a lot of senses, but a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of these people eventually realized, oh maybe I've actually trends.
Speaker 1: So it's this. It's like, I don't know, it's obviously
Speaker 1: not great in a lot of ways, but I don't
Speaker 1: know how to discuss it when saying like, yes, it's
Speaker 1: obviously not great for how like trans mistagnistic it is,
Speaker 1: but they're all working through some stuff. Yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want The one thing I will say about
Speaker 1: this is like, yeah, like if kids were actually allowed
Speaker 1: to be queer normally, like this ship mostly would not happen,
Speaker 1: Like you, you wouldn't get so many people who get
Speaker 1: locked in these like who who are queer? Who get
Speaker 1: locked into these spaces? But then also like the only
Speaker 1: way that they could express themselves in these like narrow,
Speaker 1: isolated wpping spaces is to like this ship or they're
Speaker 1: into the like just let people express themselves normally, and
Speaker 1: this this you can deny the fascist recruiting ground Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's interesting, Like it's like when all
Speaker 1: all these people are looking at interacting with them boys,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of those is why they they
Speaker 1: were able to play with these ingredients. Is that they
Speaker 1: did not experience the same like anxiety or like heightened
Speaker 1: stakes or negative or like negative connotations in their mind
Speaker 1: that that they normally do when thinking about what men
Speaker 1: because women are just so other so especially like if
Speaker 1: you can rationalize this, this attraction, defend boys are simply
Speaker 1: a prelude to dating like quote like real women in
Speaker 1: whatever like fantasy cottage core future they might imagine, then
Speaker 1: this idea is a way more approachable. You're gonna need
Speaker 1: to explain cottage core for the I am not I
Speaker 1: already have we have we we are having an add break,
Speaker 1: I still in brief it is this like return to
Speaker 1: tradition obsession you see among like chunks of the far
Speaker 1: right who are obsessed with the idea that if they
Speaker 1: if culture was the way it was in the fifties
Speaker 1: or in like the they would live on they would
Speaker 1: live on a small farm with their wife and children
Speaker 1: who would be utterly submissive to them, and everything would
Speaker 1: be perfect. But like, the only thing in between them
Speaker 1: and happiness is that they're not able to live in
Speaker 1: a in a in a small like farm with a
Speaker 1: woman who they essentially own, that the gist. I will
Speaker 1: say a lot of cottage course are also used by
Speaker 1: liberals and people on the left as well, just as
Speaker 1: like an aesthetic thing, we all want to live on
Speaker 1: a small farm in the world. Think that makes it
Speaker 1: The cottage core that we're talking about is specifically the
Speaker 1: idea of I want to own a woman and and
Speaker 1: own my children and have like no no power capable
Speaker 1: of like stopping me from yeah whatever, because like cottage, cottage,
Speaker 1: corn TikTok is pretty sanitized and pretty much like more
Speaker 1: of an aesthetic thing, less tied to those patriarchal structures.
Speaker 1: But anyway, like everything we're talking about, there's the version
Speaker 1: that's Nazis, and there's the version that's, like, boy, it
Speaker 1: sucks living in a four thousand dollar a month apartment
Speaker 1: in New York City that I share with nine people.
Speaker 1: I sure would like to live on a cottage in
Speaker 1: the woods. Anyway, speaking of living a coteage in these woods, Um,
Speaker 1: if you buy these products, it'll get you closer to
Speaker 1: your college core lifestyle. So give it away. Sponsored entirely
Speaker 1: by the concept of big cottage, big cottage, the cottage
Speaker 1: industrial complex. All right, we are back, and now we're
Speaker 1: talking about the point of the Nazi cat boy debate
Speaker 1: that everyone I think who is familiar with the topic
Speaker 1: knew was coming. No, no breakdown of Nazi cat boys
Speaker 1: and the Nazi catboy whenomenon is complete without talking about
Speaker 1: Nick Flintez and Catboy Cammy. So Nick flintes, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is uh, this is this is part of the part
Speaker 1: of the show that that everyone's been waiting for. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know that most people would know to be
Speaker 1: waiting for this, but broadly recognized by our audience. So
Speaker 1: in short, if George Lincoln Rockwell has the permanent body
Speaker 1: of a seventeen year old boy, UM, that would that's
Speaker 1: Nick Flintest as many if you know. Nick Fointest is
Speaker 1: a white nationalist livestreamer, political activist that runs the Fascist
Speaker 1: America First organization. UH. He's known for fostering a farther
Speaker 1: right conservative base than say Ben Shapiro or Turning Point
Speaker 1: USA UM, and has pulled stunts like sending his fans
Speaker 1: called gropers to Turning Point USA events to take over
Speaker 1: the Q and A sections and basically asked Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: why he isn't more fascist? Um? Yeah, And so he
Speaker 1: runs this whole organization mostly known by doing his daily
Speaker 1: lives streams. He's been doing this since he's like sixteen
Speaker 1: or seventeen years old. Fucking nonsense. Um. And it's kind
Speaker 1: of a running joke or widely acknowledged secret that Nick
Speaker 1: is kind of gay. Um, based on the way he
Speaker 1: talks about women, and based on what he said about
Speaker 1: his own dating history and snide comments from fellow home
Speaker 1: homophobic Nazi friends has led a lot, has led a
Speaker 1: lot of people to to this conclusion that Nick may
Speaker 1: not be again the straightest stick in the fascists. Um,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you one. And as as
Speaker 1: a significant contributing factor to this, like question of nick sexuality, um,
Speaker 1: is due to his catboy arc. Um. So so this
Speaker 1: this arc begins in January, um, finally giving our audience
Speaker 1: the important, important news. This is what you need to
Speaker 1: know people. That month, Nick created a catboy themed channel
Speaker 1: in his own America first Discord server with Nick, with
Speaker 1: Nick messaging post catboys in here, please with with weird
Speaker 1: capitalizations throughout the throughout the thing. So Nick cheered on
Speaker 1: along with other people, posting pictures of various catboys from
Speaker 1: pop culture and cat boy edits of Nick Frantez himself.
Speaker 1: Um One America first server user posted cat boys are
Speaker 1: trad and w means like traditional list in kind of
Speaker 1: the sense that like Nazis are traditionalist. That's that's what
Speaker 1: that person is saying. He also posted very funny. He
Speaker 1: also posted cat boys were like cath boys. Oh God,
Speaker 1: so like again, Yeah, so that's that's that's the that's
Speaker 1: the joke. I'm lucy, You're you're you're out of control
Speaker 1: right now. This is it is so I've I've looked
Speaker 1: through this discord. He's arguing, this isn't very funny. I've
Speaker 1: looked through this discord server multiple times for the for
Speaker 1: the screenshots of when you have the cathboy channel, and
Speaker 1: it always makes me happy. It is. It's one of
Speaker 1: the most funny things I've ever seen. Yeah, as as
Speaker 1: your friend, I'm always warring between wanting you to be
Speaker 1: happy and worried that this is a cry for help,
Speaker 1: but please continue. Eventually, Nick faced some pushback from inside
Speaker 1: the server for fostering degeneracy, um with with others with
Speaker 1: with others defending the catboy channel by saying, brother we
Speaker 1: love is Christian amazing standing See this is this is,
Speaker 1: this is exactly, this is the good ship. This is
Speaker 1: what we've been building towards as a civilization. Right there,
Speaker 1: baby people, other people, other people defended the Catboy channel
Speaker 1: by saying, women don't respect Christianity, your tribes. Thought y
Speaker 1: always leaks out eventually. Good God, Yes, that's that's that's
Speaker 1: the good stuff. I got. I got no comment, just
Speaker 1: just perfect thank you. But but because Nick is fundamentally
Speaker 1: a coward, he did cave under pressure and deleted the
Speaker 1: catboy channel. Um, and we lost. I think the American
Speaker 1: First movement today could be so different if he kept
Speaker 1: this is. This is why the cause of Americanism is doomed,
Speaker 1: this kind of cowardice. But but but as as we
Speaker 1: will see from Nick, oh absolutely this this whole, this
Speaker 1: whole sections about Nick Wintest being thoroughly cocked. But as
Speaker 1: as we will see, Nick continued to use, um, the
Speaker 1: exact rhetoric I laid out in my in Sales gammer
Speaker 1: Gate and antifeminist section while defending what he calls attraction
Speaker 1: to traps um and we can, of course, we can
Speaker 1: apply this this defense broadly to catboys and from boys.
Speaker 1: As Nick does, Um, I'm going to try to I'm
Speaker 1: going to try to play a video of about about
Speaker 1: Nick Fuentas um our traps gay. Yeah, traps are gay.
Speaker 1: I've always maintained traps are gay. Of course, you have
Speaker 1: stacks with the man. It's gay. There's no getting around. Now.
Speaker 1: Now that's sad. That's said. Look it's gay. I get it.
Speaker 1: I agree. Now that's sad. It's know, we're in times
Speaker 1: where the women are not really meeting their obligations. So
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're not. Look, if you have sex
Speaker 1: with the trap, you're game, no doubt about that, and
Speaker 1: you should be ready killed, you should be made fun of.
Speaker 1: But it's a little bit different than if you did
Speaker 1: it like twenty years ago. That's all I'm saying. If
Speaker 1: you in the nineteen sixties, in the nineteen sixties were
Speaker 1: banging a trap, I would say, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Like I would say that now. I would say that now,
Speaker 1: I would say, were you're some kind of sick freak.
Speaker 1: We have all these beautiful girls and they're normal, you know,
Speaker 1: and you have sex with a trap. What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: But in nineteen it's like, well, it's it's different, it's
Speaker 1: a different circumstance, different options. There's still disavowed, I disavow,
Speaker 1: it's condemned, it's gay, it's all that. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's just different. I think everybody understands that. But I'm
Speaker 1: still listen. Just have to half a little, just have
Speaker 1: to have a little nuance, all right, It's just a
Speaker 1: little nuance. Different times, different times, it's I maintain strong disavowal,
Speaker 1: strong disavowal. Do not you not do that. It's gay,
Speaker 1: it's immoral, You're going to hell, and it's weird and
Speaker 1: it's grows. Oh my god, what's wrong with you? Female? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that one in a minute, person, I'm upset.
Speaker 1: That was horrible. You'd femoids since the David Sereni days,
Speaker 1: which looks at home if you don't, if you if
Speaker 1: you missed David Serene, you missed the one brief moment
Speaker 1: where the far right was purely funny. That was bad,
Speaker 1: So so be the worst. So yes, being being attracted
Speaker 1: to traps makes makes you gay, according to him, but
Speaker 1: not really, because the female rice isn't carrying their burden
Speaker 1: like it once did back in the sixties. It's like
Speaker 1: back in back in, back in the old days of
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, it's it's like they've like almost gotten
Speaker 1: back to the like the I mean, I guess it
Speaker 1: probably still like a sorm, but like the the thing
Speaker 1: you got with fascist sometimes where they were like yeah,
Speaker 1: like I fucked you is but I'm a top so
Speaker 1: it's not gay. It's like like so close, get there.
Speaker 1: They're so close, and it's like it's like Roy Cone
Speaker 1: kind of yeah. Yeah. It's like I think I think,
Speaker 1: like I think once we get like just slightly like
Speaker 1: maybe like twenty more years out from like the evangelical
Speaker 1: evangelicalism as I don't know, I mean maybe maybe maybe
Speaker 1: it's resurgen is gonna be like a big enough heyday thing.
Speaker 1: But it's like I think, if you had like twenty
Speaker 1: years with the right wasn't completely dominated by a sort
Speaker 1: of evangelical homophobia, like I think you would just get
Speaker 1: back there and well, we're already on that way. And
Speaker 1: it's but the Nick Funt has kept saga does not
Speaker 1: stop here. No no, no, no, no, no, I am
Speaker 1: It is funny maybe the wrong word, but fascinating that
Speaker 1: we are heading inevitably barreling towards this future where simultaneously,
Speaker 1: homophobia is still a massive part of conservative politics, and
Speaker 1: conservatives are gay as hell. Like that's that's absolutely something
Speaker 1: where we are speeding towards like a drunken family on
Speaker 1: the back of a four wheeler about to break all
Speaker 1: of their necks at once and crash in the woods.
Speaker 1: So Nick Fuentes love tweeting about cat boys. He didn't
Speaker 1: a lot, and for a while, Nick's cat boy jokes
Speaker 1: and like a memory was tolerated under his banner of
Speaker 1: like irony poisoned reactionary comedy. But every ironic joke has
Speaker 1: a stipping point, and that makes that makes enough people
Speaker 1: wonder is this actually ironic? Uh? And for Fuantes, that
Speaker 1: moment came when he live streamed a ten hour date
Speaker 1: with a fellow fascist live streamer who went by the
Speaker 1: name cat Boy Camy. Now, first, let's let me explain
Speaker 1: who cat Boy Cammy wasn't at the time. Then we'll
Speaker 1: get into the date that we're doing. That that we'll
Speaker 1: get to Nick Quentes's brief altright cancelation. So tour Brooks
Speaker 1: a k a. Cowboy Cammy formerly going under the user
Speaker 1: name lolly Socks. So that's fun. Um is an Australian
Speaker 1: fascist live streamer who first came to prominence by uploading
Speaker 1: clips of himself harassing users on the popular video chatting site.
Speaker 1: Oh mowgli ogilby. I never know how to say this.
Speaker 1: One moogul little emoguli. People here, people, people will know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. It's this. It's this randomized chatting
Speaker 1: app that does video chatting with the randomized users. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's O m E g l E. I never know
Speaker 1: how to say it, but it's this. He would. He
Speaker 1: would upload himself videos of him harassing people via via
Speaker 1: this chatting app. Um. In one of them, he dressed
Speaker 1: his up in black face and while brandishing guns and
Speaker 1: trying to he was trying to find like black black
Speaker 1: kids to taunt on this platform. Another one he dressed
Speaker 1: up as a policeman um and kneels and an effigy
Speaker 1: he made likeness of George Floyd. Um, he it's it's
Speaker 1: he is, he is he is pretty gross. Uh he's
Speaker 1: he's he's he's a pretty horrible person. But for a
Speaker 1: long time his bit was dressing up in anime costumes
Speaker 1: and dressing up as a catboy. Uh to then talk
Speaker 1: about like neo Nazi rhetoric, well dressed as a catboy
Speaker 1: and this this was his funny bit that he would do. UM.
Speaker 1: At one point he was streaming like twenty four hours
Speaker 1: a day, UH for ten days for like for the
Speaker 1: for the days and days on end um and he
Speaker 1: was earning thousands of followers in places like US and Russia.
Speaker 1: UH and he became the seventh highest earning streamer on
Speaker 1: d live and d live was a popular live streaming
Speaker 1: platform used by fascists. Um in and so in late
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen was when cowboy Camy popped up like in America,
Speaker 1: initially catching the attention of Nick Fuentez. Over over the
Speaker 1: course of a few months. UH. He kind of made
Speaker 1: friends with various people in the American far right internet sphere,
Speaker 1: like Milo Richard Spencer Baked Alaska, but but Nick Fuentes
Speaker 1: was his original kind of entry point into this. Nick
Speaker 1: saw Nick saw his videos online and was interested in
Speaker 1: like what he was doing. Uh. Nick said that he
Speaker 1: had a good sense of humor, and he's good looking,
Speaker 1: and demonstrated and demonstrated his repeatability that he's able to
Speaker 1: achieve viral moments and retain a streaming audience. So Nick
Speaker 1: became friends with him because he thought Cowboy Camy would
Speaker 1: be like a growing internet presence. I wanted to kind
Speaker 1: of move his his type of like his type of
Speaker 1: pretty like racist and horrible like joke pranks and tried
Speaker 1: to give them more, give them more of a platform
Speaker 1: to kind of frontline reactionary ideologies. Um. So, when when
Speaker 1: Nick was getting familiar with Cawboy Camy, Cammy on online
Speaker 1: activities were mainly consisting of dressing up as an ANIMI
Speaker 1: cowboy to do random like political debates or live streams
Speaker 1: or show it like anime conventions, to harass people, um
Speaker 1: and doing like various gags and pranks. One of the
Speaker 1: most infamous incidents was when he was deep throating a
Speaker 1: massive horse cock dildo hooked up to a bucket of
Speaker 1: fake semen. Um. Good, okay, yeah, So in December, in December,
Speaker 1: Catboy Cammy flew from Australia to go visit Garrison. No,
Speaker 1: the semen was fake, it was. It was Oh okay,
Speaker 1: got you it was. It was a massive horse cock
Speaker 1: dildoo hooked up to a bucket of like fake semen. Right, okay,
Speaker 1: so just like corn starch and I'm happy. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: we want to go of the recipes later, I'm sure
Speaker 1: we could make that a whole episode, But now I
Speaker 1: know how to make fake come. In December, Catboy Cavy
Speaker 1: flew from Australia to go visit Nick Fuentez and then
Speaker 1: just proceeded to live stream the ten hour totally straight
Speaker 1: hangout session with Catboy Camy dressed up as a catboy
Speaker 1: the entire time. I mean, this does sound very straight
Speaker 1: to me. They go to go to an arcade, they
Speaker 1: play games together, they get food and milkshakes, they go
Speaker 1: clothing shopping and try on matching outfits, um all while
Speaker 1: laughing and giggling the entire time. Um well, while uh
Speaker 1: well uh while driving and listening to extremely gay pop music.
Speaker 1: Catboy Cammy says to Nick that here reminds them of
Speaker 1: an X. It's great, and by the end of the
Speaker 1: ten hour stream, it's implied that they it's it's the
Speaker 1: end of stream, it's implied that they share a room
Speaker 1: for the night. Um sure, I'm sure they did. And
Speaker 1: it's ten hours of pure horrible Nazi flirting. And it's
Speaker 1: it's pretty. It's it's a thing, it exists. Um. But
Speaker 1: as so as news and details of the live stream
Speaker 1: UH started to circulate. A wave of a wave of
Speaker 1: infighting among the alt right and the gropers spawned some
Speaker 1: amazing articles and headlines from neo nazi news sites. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's a headline from the Daily Stormer called the Growing
Speaker 1: for Revolution is canceled after Nick Fuentes reveals to be
Speaker 1: a catboy and gave Hayett. It's just pretty pretty astonishing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds that sounds about right. And other other great headlines.
Speaker 1: We have a Fuentes disavows catboy after a pressure from
Speaker 1: trad news. If you're if you're sitting down and for
Speaker 1: your movement that you want to take over the government
Speaker 1: typing down, Fuentes disavows cat boy. Perhaps you need to
Speaker 1: think about some things. We got another headline as catboy
Speaker 1: Candy versus Richard Spencer because Richard Spencer trying to cancel
Speaker 1: Nick for this because Nick was getting more popular than him. Um.
Speaker 1: And we have then another great headline which is a
Speaker 1: Nick Fuentess catboy BFF is a mockery to his sexuality. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's pretty good. There's this this great this
Speaker 1: is this this great. UM. A bit from one of
Speaker 1: these articles which, which, which, which which? I'll quote. So
Speaker 1: it starts to start off by saying, is Nick Fuentes
Speaker 1: attracted to women? If you trusted the plan, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: ask such questions. I will say that I don't think
Speaker 1: the ten hour live stream helps King Nick of the Grappers.
Speaker 1: At the moment, he had a good thing going. We're
Speaker 1: trying to promote a more Christian and normal presenting nationalist
Speaker 1: movement and was getting a lot of traction until he
Speaker 1: ruined his image by associating it with this. None of
Speaker 1: his various enemies did this to him either. He did
Speaker 1: it entirely to himself. So yeah, um, but like, obviously,
Speaker 1: like the point of this is not to like, not
Speaker 1: to like put Nick Fuentez's sexuality on blast, Like I do,
Speaker 1: do not care one way or the other. Um, it's
Speaker 1: not a problem. The problem isn't is that The problem
Speaker 1: isn't that Nick may find cat boys incredibly hot. Uh,
Speaker 1: But the problem is that he's like a Nazi and
Speaker 1: stuff and calls for the extermination of gay people while
Speaker 1: also doing all of this ship. Um, and you know,
Speaker 1: Nick Nick still maintains that he isn't gay and gay
Speaker 1: people should be exiled from society and he would never
Speaker 1: associate with homosexuals. Blah blah blah blah blah. Um. All
Speaker 1: while doing all this incredibly straight behavior. Um. Uh for
Speaker 1: up on Catboy Cammy. Later in Catboy Camy made multiple
Speaker 1: appearances that Trump rallies and various other political events, going
Speaker 1: viral multiple times for screaming incredibly racist, anti Semitic, and
Speaker 1: openly fascist rants. Um. You probably saw footage of Catboy
Speaker 1: Cammy in Um. He was just just he was just
Speaker 1: he was just dressed as like a regular person. But
Speaker 1: he there was a few clips of him at Trump
Speaker 1: rallies that went very very viral. Um. And Nick even
Speaker 1: U disowned disavowed Catboy Camy for bad optics. Uh. During
Speaker 1: during during these incredibly racist rants, he would he would
Speaker 1: go on at at at Trump rallies. Uh. Um. And
Speaker 1: then of course we have America America First and UH
Speaker 1: and and Nick Fuentez then being you know, an escalating
Speaker 1: part of the protests in d C leading to January six. Um,
Speaker 1: we have the person alleged to have stolen Nancy Polosi's
Speaker 1: laptop being in those America First discord servers and UH
Speaker 1: and grooming young boys by dressing up as a cat girl.
Speaker 1: Um so all part of all part of we This
Speaker 1: will get talked about later in like these articles and stuff.
Speaker 1: This has not been talked about. Some people already know
Speaker 1: about it. But but yes, um so it's all part
Speaker 1: of this same like Nick Fuentez catboy sect of things,
Speaker 1: of these these like people who who call themselves tread
Speaker 1: cats who then do all this weird cat boy shit.
Speaker 1: And yes, the the person who stolen people laptop who
Speaker 1: was like an open Nazi, um was was grooming like
Speaker 1: miners on on discord by dressing up this cat girl,
Speaker 1: by by dressing up with a cat girl. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So there's a whole bunch of this, this whole sphere
Speaker 1: of stuff. You can find some incredibly dark dark corners. Um.
Speaker 1: But nowadays, uh, in the Year of Our Lord, Uh,
Speaker 1: fem boys are way more of like it's like generally
Speaker 1: acknowledged to be like a kind of like a leftist
Speaker 1: like communist thing almost um like And and I think
Speaker 1: the reason why this debate got so, I think the
Speaker 1: reason why the fascist like the fascist femboy debate got
Speaker 1: so kind of heightened in the past few years, like
Speaker 1: ever since like tumbler band porn, uh, there's been a
Speaker 1: migration of tumbloy users onto Twitter, and a part of
Speaker 1: part a part of this migration is not sake for
Speaker 1: work users and content um, including fem boys and people
Speaker 1: who fetishize fem boys and even fetishized racist fem boys.
Speaker 1: Moving moving on to Twitter, right, Twitter has become the
Speaker 1: new has become the new de facto tumbler in a
Speaker 1: lot of senses. So the past three years, more and
Speaker 1: more normalies have been exposed to these types of like
Speaker 1: off the cuff people. Um. Then, of course TikTok has
Speaker 1: sent fem boys into the mainstream because TikTok is also
Speaker 1: oh it's not an image board, but it is a
Speaker 1: visual medium right where you're posting small videos of yourselves.
Speaker 1: So a lot of a lot of catboy and fenboy
Speaker 1: content on TikTok. There's even this horrible article from two
Speaker 1: from August by Vice called introducing fem boys the most
Speaker 1: wholesome trend on TikTok as if fen boys were invented
Speaker 1: in mind boggling article of But yeah, fenboys are now
Speaker 1: much more if you take the Vice article as an example,
Speaker 1: fenboys are now fully mainstreamed. Right, fenboys used to be
Speaker 1: a small subculture, but among Gen Z kind of culture
Speaker 1: as a whole. Now, fen boys are very popular. They
Speaker 1: are they are kind of they are one of one
Speaker 1: of like one of like the hot new pokemons to
Speaker 1: collect um and I'm gonna Harrison, that's cultural appropriation from millennials.
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to talk about pokemons. I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't care. We we own those now. So just just
Speaker 1: to talk about like scale of memes here, I have
Speaker 1: some Google have some like Google trends um on like
Speaker 1: Nazi cat boy and not see fem boys. Uh, and
Speaker 1: we see the mass The biggest, biggest spike in Nazi
Speaker 1: femboy is January of one, which makes sense that that's
Speaker 1: when I started writing this this script. Actually, um, you
Speaker 1: say yeah, for for Google trends got a massive spike
Speaker 1: in January one, and it's kind of been decreasing since then,
Speaker 1: but still still like it was. It was like you
Speaker 1: would see blips every once in a while, like there's
Speaker 1: a small blip of Nazi fem boys. Seen a small
Speaker 1: blip in and then a small blip at the start
Speaker 1: of the pandemic in March of because people are alone
Speaker 1: and isolated, so they're doing this instead UM, and then yeah,
Speaker 1: January one massive massive spike um the same thing with
Speaker 1: a very similar to racist fem Boy. It's basically the
Speaker 1: same exact trajectory. We do get a pretty big spike
Speaker 1: and racist fem boy in June of UM, and then
Speaker 1: another big spike of actually of November one is the
Speaker 1: highest is the highest searches for racist em boy. So
Speaker 1: it's still very much an ongoing meme of like a
Speaker 1: thing I'll being like, yeah, femboys are pretty racist. It's
Speaker 1: still completely completely ongoing. Oh thank god, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It's don't worries, it's not. It's not a closed case.
Speaker 1: And that's good, Garrison. I was really worried for a second.
Speaker 1: No people, people, and this like I think, I think
Speaker 1: if you're not extremely online, you probably even like you
Speaker 1: might not know about this, Like this is like this
Speaker 1: is an actual discourse on Twitter, Like oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: this there will be like a week We're the only
Speaker 1: thing people argue about is whether femboys are inherently racist.
Speaker 1: Obviously they're not. Like it's it's so. And the last
Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna mention here is enemy is in the
Speaker 1: is it the Unicorn riot discord leaks when they leaked
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of information from lots of different fascist channels.
Speaker 1: We have over a thousand mentions of cat boys inside
Speaker 1: that you know couldn't riot fascist discord leaks Garrison, I
Speaker 1: haven't question for you. Yes, I do you think God
Speaker 1: stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of
Speaker 1: what he's created here on earth. So if you want
Speaker 1: to have a fun time, you can go to Discord
Speaker 1: leaks dot, Unicorn, Riot dot Ninja, um slash discord slash search,
Speaker 1: then put in put in Catboy and scrolls skulls scrolls
Speaker 1: through thousands of posts from these Nazi channels, not mention
Speaker 1: cat for here. We got stuff from like sar God
Speaker 1: of a cod the We have the Discord channel, Domestic
Speaker 1: Terrorism Planning, Discord Catboy channel, we of course have we
Speaker 1: of course have Nick Fuentes. We got every whatever you
Speaker 1: would look for, you can find it here. Um. And
Speaker 1: that is that is the curious case of Nazi catboys.
Speaker 1: So there there you go. Any any questions class Garrison,
Speaker 1: why why did you do this to us? Because I
Speaker 1: thought it would be fun? It is on the on
Speaker 1: the inside, it's funny anyway, happy Well, that is uh so, yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: I hope I hope you all have a better look
Speaker 1: into why the fascist femboy meme exists and how people
Speaker 1: can have the cognitive distance in their own heads in
Speaker 1: terms of you know, fetishing, fetishizing feminine attributes while still
Speaker 1: hating women and then leading into the Nick Fuentez catboy
Speaker 1: craze that has swept with the nation as a whole.
Speaker 1: So just okay, just just just be queer and a leftist.
Speaker 1: You don't have to do the shape. You do not
Speaker 1: have to wrap your brain in fucking seventeen layers of
Speaker 1: bullshit of like weird misogyny. You can just just be
Speaker 1: gay and leftist, and as as we as we showed
Speaker 1: you can, you can. You can be a leftist. You
Speaker 1: can love Stalin and be a catboy. It's totally fine.
Speaker 1: I think you can be anything and be a catboy.
Speaker 1: That's that's the main message of the twenty one century.
Speaker 1: Adimir Putin is going to come out as a catboy
Speaker 1: when he releases his next unhinged rant and support of J. K. Rowling.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's where the discourse is headed. It's inevitable,
Speaker 1: it can't be stopped. I wanted to be with Nick Fintesan,
Speaker 1: Vladimir putin Hold cants being a cat boy. All right,
Speaker 1: well where we're going. That doesn't for us today, everybody.
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