1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: that brings you the secret history and little alone fascinating 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: facts about your favorite movies, music, TV shows, and more. 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: We're two guys with too much free time on our hands. 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: My name is Jordan Runtug and I'm Alex Hegel, and 7 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: our inaugural episode features everything you didn't know about the 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: cinematic classic Hook, which turned thirty years old last December. 9 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: But being our first episode, we wanted to tell you 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: a little bit about ourselves and why we have all 11 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 1: of this useless knowledge. Yeah. You know, we're thirty three 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: year old man who can talk at length about Hook 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: for half an hour, so we should probably explain ourselves. Uh, 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: we're veterans of the what would you say, post BuzzFeed 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: journalism world, the content minds, veterans of the content wars. Basically, 16 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: we're two listical writers. Let off the leash. Between the 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: two of us, we have accrued literally thousands of words, 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: millions of page views, decades of experience, and hundreds of 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: dollars eight bucks maybe, yeah yeah. Over the last decade, 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: We've worked in places like H one Entertainment, Weekly Page six, 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: Rolling Stone, and People Magazine, where we met and became friends. 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Jordan also plays in my band, That's right, I play 23 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: in the Highgl's band World's Greatest Detective. One of the 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: things I've always loved about your writing is your insane, 25 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: granular attention to detail, which you have already brought to 26 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: bear on on hook and um Phil Collins near rosis. 27 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you. Well, you know, I mean those 28 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: kinds of anniversary pieces were always my favorite to write 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: because it was just they were fun. You know, you 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: got paid to learn and share that with others. I mean, 31 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: I always love that. What did you think of doing 32 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: all those like listical pieces. I think the joy that 33 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: I took in them is that with so much um 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: biol on the internet and in my heart, um, it's 35 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: just great to get people excited about stuff. Yeah, no, exactly. 36 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: I mean, did you have any sort of like early 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: love of trivia? Well, we had about seventeen different Uncle 38 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: John's bathroom readers in our house, but that was like 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: my dad's favorite thing. Originalistical, yeah exactly, and copy I 40 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: was in my middle school what the what we called quizbole, 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: which is sort of competitive interdistrict trivia team essentially, and 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: I like you, you know, I I came of age 43 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: during the US run of Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, 44 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: which I know you have quite the personal history with. Yeah, 45 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: that's right. I was, I was. I was on it. 46 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 1: Unfortunately not during the Regions years. It was during the 47 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I know, the daytime Cedric the entertainer. Uh 48 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: And spoiler, I did not win. I am. I am 49 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: not a millionaire. A thousand air uh no, a hundred 50 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: air No. That they changed the rules by that time, 51 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: and there was a lot harder to win. That's going 52 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: to be my my defense. Yeah, so I have I 53 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: gotta know what what what? What What? What was it? What happened? 54 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: The question? I still have night terrors about the question. 55 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: All right, well, let let me put it to you. 56 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: Who was the only person to have guest hosted the 57 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: Tonight Show with Jay Leno. Was it a Brian Williams, 58 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: Was it be Katie Kirk, was it C. Betty White? 59 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: Or was it D. Jerry Seinfeld? Without getting into the 60 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: whole digressive like millionaire structure, I would personally say Seinfeld 61 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: because they're both rich white men with extensive classic car collections, 62 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: and that's what I said I was wrong. Apparently it 63 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: was Katie Kirk. They did a Tonight show Todays Show 64 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: flip Flop as a promo thing. Yeah, and I got 65 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: it wrong. What won't Jay Leno take from you next? 66 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: But I it did not damp in my love of trivia, 67 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: which began as a kid when I started studying trivial 68 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: pursuit cards in hopes that during family game night I 69 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: would convince my family that I was a genius and 70 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: they wouldn't make me go to school. So I was 71 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: going to memorize the answers on on trivial pursuit cards 72 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: and study them in advance. And um, and that didn't work. 73 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: I say, learning so much about your early childhood psychology here, Jordan, 74 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: so we should probably move of this now. Let's get 75 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: into the childhood psychology of Hook Yes, because we got 76 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. There's Michael Jackson's would be 77 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: role on the film and Dustin Hoffman's disgusting Daily Breakfast. 78 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: There's the saga of the onset Pirate Wranglers and Julia 79 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: roberts hellish production experience. We'll also have all the ways 80 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: the kid who played Rufio was a real life badass, 81 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: and also all the ways that Robin Williams was predictably 82 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: the best. We'll discuss a cavalcade of hidden cameos you 83 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: probably never noticed and divulge the true meaning of bang Arang. 84 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: So let's do it. Here's everything you didn't know about 85 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: Steven Spielberg's hook. Well, I'm speaking of childhood psychology, as 86 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: you mentioned, at a very personal meaning to Steven Spielberg, 87 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: the director of the film, he directed a version of 88 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,559 Speaker 1: Peter Pan in grade school. He had a really strong 89 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: connection with the story because I guess he and his 90 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: dad had a really complicated, troubled relationship. And there are 91 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: a lot of films if you look at it, it's 92 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: kind of a through line. A lot of his work 93 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: exploring to functional father son relationships. You see that in E. 94 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: T and Ninni and A Jones, in the Last Crusade 95 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: with Indie and Sean Connery. He also famously said that, um, 96 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: after he had kids, he would not have made the 97 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: ending to Close Encounters the same. I didn't know that, Yeah, 98 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: he said, Um, you know, since having kids, I would 99 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: never have a father abandoned his children. He would have 100 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: completely changed the ending of that movie. Wow, making it 101 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: much worse in my opinion, But you know, I don't 102 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: have kids. So the genesis of the film started when 103 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: Spielberg's mother would read him Peter Pan and Wendy as 104 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: a as A as a bedtime story. And yeah, by 105 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: eleven years old, he was directing the story as a 106 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: school production, and he would say, you know, I've always 107 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: felt like Peter Pan. It's very hard for me to 108 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: grow up. I feel like I'm a victim of Peter 109 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: Pan syndrome. So this was always an ambition for him 110 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,679 Speaker 1: to direct a Peter Pan movie. And he actually started 111 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: developing this movie in the early eighties, ten years before 112 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: Hook ultimately went into production, and it was a little 113 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: more faithful to the animated version. It was kind of 114 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: a straight Peter Pan's story. And then he became a father, 115 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: and as you mentioned, he decided that, you know, I'd 116 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: rather actually be a dad that these kids rather than 117 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: just spend time with with other people's kids on a 118 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: on a set. So he took some time away and 119 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: actually in the meantime he almost directed Big, which would 120 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: have been kind of nuts, which you guess, if you 121 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: think about it, kind of was a lot of same 122 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: themes of like yeh, fertile ground for Spielberg's therapist. Spielberg 123 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: has daddy issues from the defining aspect of his career. 124 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: So yeah, this movie meant a lot to Spielberg. You know. 125 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: At one point in the like protracted development of this 126 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: it was conceived as a full fledged musical with Bielberg's 127 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: constant running buddy John Williams, who actually composed eight songs 128 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: for this embryonic version of the film. Um, you know, 129 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: only the two of them actually made it in there 130 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: we Don't Want to Grow Up, which is regrettably not 131 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: a rewrite of the Tom Waits song off Bone Machine, 132 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: and when You're Alone, which also plays in the Spielberg's 133 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: Daddy issues. Presumably the libretto for the score, if you 134 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: Will came from Leslie Bricuse, who did the lyrics for 135 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, which also like a 136 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: deep well of childhood sadness deep rich vein to mind there. 137 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll definitely be doing an episode on that 138 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: at some point. Also Dr Doolittle, Goldfinger and You Only 139 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: Live Twice m my favorite Bond theme. Oh gold Fingers incredible. 140 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: You can just sing any like three syllable word to 141 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: Goldfinger and it sounds awesome. Can you give us a demo? Though, No, 142 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: that's gonna cost you extra. But interestingly enough, no one 143 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: has ever heard the rest of these songs. They have 144 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: been sealed in a vault, probably with the rest of 145 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: Prince's unreleased stuff. And um, I don't know whatever John 146 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: Williams has rolling around in the can. What unreleased John 147 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: Williams scores do you think there are? I think I 148 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: think he has Norbit. I think Norbit is one that 149 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: he worked on grown ups too. But yeah, so sort 150 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: of on this musical train. Back in the early days 151 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: when it was conceived, There's a musical. Michael Jackson was 152 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: initially in talks for the lead role of Peter Pan 153 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: because a little on the notes, of course he was. 154 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: And they were also thinking of getting David Bowie to 155 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: play hook, which kind of works for me because like 156 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: this right off Labyrinth. And the thing that I think 157 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: makes David Bowie is so great in Labyrinth is that 158 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: he's like sinister and and and like spooky. There's an 159 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: edge there that I don't think you get with Wow. 160 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: We'll get into Dustin Hoffman later. They were also considering 161 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: for hook Donald Sutherland and Christopher Lloyd. Christopher Lloyd would 162 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: have been incredible. Um. Not to bring this back to 163 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: my childhood, but one of the most scarring things I've 164 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: ever seen was Judge doom In. Yeah. I used to 165 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: have spoiler we should probably say at the top of 166 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: every episode, spoiler Roger Rabbit. Um. Yeah, I had nightmares 167 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: for years about that. He is so scary in that 168 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: movie and probably would have taken this too far into sinister. Well, 169 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: he was in Dennis the Menace to remember, Oh my god, 170 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: he's also terrifying in that. Yeah, he like cuts an 171 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: apple with like a switchblade or something in front of 172 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: this kid's face. Which do can I do? Christopher Lord 173 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: Peter Peter the time traveling insane inventor Pirates. When this 174 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: alligator reached me a lot. If you're gonna say some serious, 175 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm so glad this is this entire episode is really 176 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: a vehicle for you to do that impression years in 177 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: the making. Um, for sme, we had some really great contenders. 178 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: We had Danny DeVito and Joe Pesci. I mean, of 179 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: course most of those would have been perfect. Yeah, but 180 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: you're right, you know what, the the guy who did 181 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: get it. Bob Hoskins was in who framed Roger Rabbit 182 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: oh Man Valiant? Right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah yeah. But 183 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: getting back to the the original dreamcasting of Michael Jackson 184 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: as as Peter Pan, he turned it down when Spielberg 185 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: revisited the film later in the late eighties as sort 186 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: of a Peter Pan having grown up and and Michael 187 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: Jackson kind of famously didn't want to grow up, so 188 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: he thought that the project wasn't right for him. He 189 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: was really bummed that Spielberg changed it into this other idea, 190 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: and he was apparently bummed enough and I want to 191 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: get my my citations right for this. He was apparently 192 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: bummed enough about this that he placed a voodoo curse 193 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: on Steven Spielberg. This is from a two thousand three 194 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: Vanity Fair article and sort of hatchet job by Marine 195 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: Orth and she reported that Michael Jackson sought out a 196 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: to use her words, a witch doctor to curse his 197 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: enemies and bless himself because this was in in summer 198 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: of two thousand when he was starting to the bills 199 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: were starting to pile up, and he was sort of 200 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: he was having a rough time at this time, so 201 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: he apparently had an enemies list of twenty five people. 202 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: I think David Geffen was on it as well, and 203 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: uh yeah, and Spielberg made it on too, and apparently 204 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: I guess the jury is still out on whether or 205 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: not the voodoo curse actually worked, although he did make 206 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: Crystal Skull right. But um, actually I want to get 207 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: the good, bad and the ugly bullet ricochet in there 208 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: for every punch line. Um, I actually would like to 209 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: crunch the numbers on this voodoo thing. So there were 210 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: twenty people on the list, and it cost him a 211 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollar wire transfer to a bank 212 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: in Mali, and supposedly forty two cows were ritually sacrificed 213 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: for this. Now my question is, do you also have 214 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: to buy the cows or is that in figure? Is 215 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: that included in the d K I I don't know. 216 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: I haven't checked the market rate for cows and other 217 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: bovine creatures lately, but back in the two thousand's it 218 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: would have been I don't know. I mean, this was 219 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: when he was apparently I think it's said two hundred 220 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: and forty million dollars in debt at this time. Um, 221 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: before we move on. Other contenders for Peter Banning as 222 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: he was known as Peter Pan was known as he 223 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: grew up. Was Tom Hanks kind of moment though, yeah, 224 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: And Kevin Klein. I don't love either of those, to 225 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: be perfectly honest. I you know, Robin Williams, and we'll 226 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: get into this later. Rob Williams has a deep well 227 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: of sadness that I think anchors that melancholic Yeah, that 228 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: like anchors this whole conceit of Peter Pan growing up 229 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 1: and forgetting who he is. And I Kevin Clan could 230 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: probably pull that off. But Tom Hanks just too twinkling 231 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: and pleasant. He was good and big, I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 232 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: I have nothing against big. I have no quarrel with 233 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: Tom Hanks. Okay, So while we're on Peter Banning segue, 234 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: Peter Pan author J. M. Barry originally had a story 235 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: that was developed along the lines of Hook where Peter 236 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: Pan grew up Um and God love him. The man 237 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: could not write a decent title. Apparently he was titling 238 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: it the Man who Couldn't grow up. And second contender, 239 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: the Old Age of Peter Pan. Well, you know, I 240 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: mean it's the title. It's like snakes on a plane, 241 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: like you know what you're getting. It's like, okay, I 242 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: appreciate that because it was like when the when were 243 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,959 Speaker 1: these written, like before the age of subtlety and in writing, 244 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: so you just had to spell it out to get 245 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: people involved. Yeah, pretty much the Hound of the Baskerville. 246 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: So the man who couldn't grow up? Okay, so hook 247 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: screenwriter James V. Hart, who after this would go on 248 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: to corner the market in highbrow, big budget literary adaptations 249 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: of the He also wrote the script for Bram Stoker's Dracula, 250 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 1: which is Coppola's famous big budget Dracula movie, which we 251 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: should do an episode on, like uh. And then he 252 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: went on to do Mary Shelley's Frankenstein write the script 253 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: for that not as well received or as interesting, and 254 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: then he kind of went back to the children's movie 255 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: out of classic literature well by penning the script for 256 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: Muppet Treasure Island, which is another beloved nineties property, and 257 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: then scaled to new heights in the two thousands with 258 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: Laura Croft Colan tomb Raider, m Dash the Cradle of Life. 259 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: So a mighty rise and fall for Jim V. Hart anyway, 260 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: Jim V. Hart had been trying to find you have 261 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: to say the whole thing every time. It's like a 262 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: tribe call quest uh. Jim V. Hart had been trying 263 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: to find a new angle to the Peter Pan story 264 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: for years, and in his three year old son made 265 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: him a drawing that he described as a crocodile eating 266 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: Captain Hook, and hearts telling this story in Steven Spielberg 267 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: a biography. But that crocodile didn't really eat him, his 268 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: son said, he got away, so I went, wow, Hook 269 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: is not dead. The crocodile is. We've all been fooled. 270 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: A few years later, Heart's son brought up the subject 271 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: of Peter Pan again, asking whether he'd ever grown up. Poignant, 272 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: I realized that Peter Pan did grow up, Heart said, 273 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: just like all of us baby boomers who are now 274 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: in our forties. I patterned him after several of my 275 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: friend ends on Wall Street where the pirates where three 276 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: piece suits and ride in limos. Thank you Jim Hart 277 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: for saying the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet. 278 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: Moving on now Hook. As I guess is often the 279 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: case in Hollywood, there's a lot of nepotism going on 280 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: in the casting of the film Hook. The Jim V. 281 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: Hart's son was was cast in the movie, which is 282 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: only fair considering he basically is the one who planted 283 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: the seeds for Did You Get Like a Story? By 284 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: producer credit as well well. He was one of the 285 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: lost boys. He was personally cast by by Spielberg, and 286 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: I guess every day on the set Robin Williams would 287 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: would bow to this kid, his name was Jake and 288 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: say thanks for my job, Jake, which is, you know, 289 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: the first of many Robin Williams is the best stories 290 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: will get to in this episode. And Dustin Hoffman also 291 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: put I think all three of his kids in this movie. 292 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: His youngest son Max played the five year old Peter Pan, 293 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: his daughter Rebecca Hoffman played Jane and the play at 294 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie, and his oldest son Jake, 295 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: played a little player at Jack's baseball game. But probably 296 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: the most interesting instance of what I guess you could 297 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: call nepotism is that this is I think Gwyneth Paltrow's 298 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: second movie that she ever appeared in. She was nineteen 299 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: years old. She's also Steven Spielberg's god daughter. Spielberg remembers 300 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: that he was going with Gwenna's family to the premiere 301 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: of Silence of the Lambs. They all took a limo together, 302 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: which weird. Yeah, that was weird. Spielberg again that Hollywood 303 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: is all like one fifty person circle and they probably 304 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: wanted to support Demi and it was a big prestige film, 305 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: but weird film to take your family too. Yeah. So, 306 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: and apparently kind of upset young Gwenne because they were 307 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: driving back and Spielberg saw her in the backseat kind 308 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: of like still looking disturbed by the whole movie. And 309 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: apparently he would later say, I was looking at her 310 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: the review mirror and she was talking about the film, 311 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: and she had this really frightened look on her face, 312 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: and it suddenly clicked and I said, hey, you could 313 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: be young Wendy. You could be the young Maggie Smith. 314 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: First of all, also yeared Stephen to like look at 315 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: the look of terror and unsettling on a on a 316 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: teen girl's face and say, I can make money off 317 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 1: of that. Uh. And also, how dare you say that 318 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow is no Maggie Smith? Continue um, Apparently there 319 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: there and then on the spot he said, do you 320 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: want to make a movie And so that's how Gwyneth 321 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: landed a role in one of her very first films. 322 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: I guess she made her debut in the musical romance 323 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: film Shout starring John Travolto. We all love that one 324 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: and um many of the Lost Boys, specifically the kid 325 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: who played Rufio, would later admit to having a massive 326 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: crush on Gwyneth on the set and Maggie Smith, Dame Magnie, 327 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: Maggie Smith, pardon me, you have a lot to say 328 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: about Yeah. I think anybody who like saw this film 329 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: in their youth was saw erf youmes like that is 330 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: the coolest person in the entire world, and with good cause. 331 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: Starting right off with the casting, Leonardo DiCaprio had auditioned 332 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: for quote unquote an unspecified role basically based on his 333 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: age at the time, he would have been fifteen or sixteen. 334 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: It's speculated that he was either testing for Rufio or 335 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: another older Lost Boy, given that he was too old 336 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: to play Jack, who was eleven in the film. So 337 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: in theory, there's a multi if you subscribe to the 338 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: multiverse theory, there's a world in which Leonardo DiCaprio played Rufio, 339 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: which kind of rules. Yeah. Yeah, But so the role 340 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: eventually went to actor Dante Basco, who was just sixteen 341 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: years old when he picked up the part. He landed 342 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: it after one audition. He told news dot com that 343 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: he landed the part so quickly because Steven Spielberg told 344 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: him that, out of all the kids that auditioned for 345 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: the role, I was the only kid who scared him. 346 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: But you know, obviously the kids incredible in the movie. 347 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: I mean he trained for sword sword fighting in this movie. 348 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: They did a lot of it the way that you 349 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: do like horror movie kills, where they would basically rehearse 350 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: doing backwards, so they rehearsed the fight backwards. Yeah, so 351 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: like you they do this a lot in horror films. 352 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: They there's a famous one in one of the Friday 353 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: or Thirteenth where the guy gets like a machete to 354 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: the face and basically you filmed them pulling it out 355 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: so that you can reverse the film and it looks 356 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: like it's going in. So when he's sword fighting with 357 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: Robin Williams and that he says the line you're dead, 358 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: jolly man, he had to speak that in reverse because 359 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: the whole thing was rehearsed and shot backwards. Is there 360 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: no end to this young man's talent? He learned to 361 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: fight backwards, and then he learned to speak backwards, and 362 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: he scared Steven Spielberg. I want to know what his 363 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: like audition piece was. Was it like a monologue? Did 364 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: he do like something from Hey, Steven, I can fight backwards? 365 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: I wasn't say. Did he do like monologue from Noises Off? 366 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: He did the entirety of the monologue from the Iceman cometh. Uh. 367 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: This is probably not a shock to anyone, but Rufio's 368 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: look was inspired by the Mad Max movies. Another weird 369 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: bit of of Hollywood is one big incestuous family um. 370 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: Basco says he played basketball with Julia White, who played 371 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: herkel because Hook filmed next door to Family matters. So 372 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: I don't know who won. I'm gonna go ahead. I'm 373 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: gonna go ahead. Well, you know what, I don't want 374 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: to short sell Julia White. Julia White might have some handles, 375 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: but I feel confident saying that Dante Basku probably schooled naturally. 376 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: Basco kept a sword, kept Peter Pan's golden goal. Yeah, 377 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: and he kept in framed the concept sketches for his 378 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: own armor. Which is pretty baller okay, And while the 379 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: last entry, now Dante Basco Lost Boys Lightning Round is 380 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: that bang Rang, which, as everyone knows, is the Lost 381 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: Boys rallying cry is a Jamaican word meaning chaos. We're 382 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: going to take a quick break, but we'll be right 383 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: back with more too much information in just a moment. 384 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: Now moving right along. There were two people who were 385 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: not cast in Hook that Spielberg kept in his mind 386 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: and later wound up in the movie Jurassic Park. For Hook, 387 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: a young boy named Joseph Mazzello auditioned for the role 388 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: of Jack. He didn't get it, but Spielberg liked him 389 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: so much that he promised he'd put him in one 390 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: of his upcoming films, and he made good on his promise. 391 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: He wound up as the lead boy whose name escaves 392 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: me in Jurassic Park a few years later, and apparently 393 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: Spielberg also asked Sir Richard Attenborough to play Tootles, and 394 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: Atonborough declined because he was directing Chaplain at the time. Mistake, Yeah, 395 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: I know, but but no. But then Spielberg cast him 396 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: as Dr John Hammond in Jurassic Park and in the 397 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 1: Lost World Jurassic park In respectively. You mentioned earlier Hollywood 398 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: one big I'll just call it family. I'll leave out 399 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: the leave at the ancestors. So yeah, I'll just say 400 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: one big Family. The set of Hook was like the 401 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: hottest place in town at this time. I mean, this was, 402 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: you know, Spielberg directing a big budget Peter Pam movie. 403 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: This is great. Everybody wanted to come by and stop 404 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: by and see it. Visitors on the set were so 405 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: common that the filmmakers had people sign an official guest 406 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: book and celebrities who stopped by Tom Cruise, Demi Moore, 407 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: Whoopie Goldberg, Michelle Pfeiffer, Warren Beatty and Nett Benning, Mel Gibson, 408 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: Prince and then actual royalty Queen Noir of Jordan's. But 409 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: somebody really interesting who who showed up was a young 410 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie. Dustin Hoffman's former co star and Midnight Cowboy 411 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: and his good friend John Voight asked if he could 412 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: bring his children to meet Captain Hook, and one of 413 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: them is, of course, Angelina Jolie, who was sixteen at 414 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: the time, and Hoffman would describe her sort of ungallantly 415 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: as a tall, thin, gawky looking girl, with a mouthful 416 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: of braces and apparently after she told him that she 417 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: wanted to be an actress, Hoffman later said to his wife, 418 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: I don't think this kid has any idea what a 419 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: tough road she's got. Filed under Dustin Hoffman being a jag, 420 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: but she she showed him. And one of my favorite 421 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: stories of of guests visiting the set was um Judy 422 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: Garland's daughter Laurena Luft visited the set with her young 423 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: son and she was walking through the sets and she 424 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: actually broke down and started to cry, and when when 425 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: I asked her why, she said, this was the same 426 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 1: sound stage where my mother made The Wizard of Oz, 427 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: and this is the closest thing that's been done to that. 428 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: So it's been really this film is, you know, our 429 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: generation's Wizard of Oz, but it's all the special effects 430 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: and just the whimsy. It was really special for her 431 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: to be there and kind of seeing in a small 432 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: way what her her late mother had gone through. I 433 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: think the film is hook is also really interesting because 434 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: it is sort of closing in on the era when 435 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: you would have something this big budget with all practical 436 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: effects all like yeah, exactly, I mean this it's it 437 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 1: is kind of a forerunner in terms of what you 438 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: think Disney is really mining now in with giving every 439 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: villain and every ancillary character like a gritty back story. 440 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: Hook is really like a fore run under that. But 441 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: nowadays you do all this, don't agree screen right or 442 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: or interior sets are built not to short sell Cruella. 443 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: Like the wardrobe and all that design looks amazing, but 444 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: you know, we'll get into the budget for this a 445 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: little bit later. But like this in the Couple of 446 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: Dracula movie is it's sort of the last gasp of 447 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: that like really intense practice because c g I starts 448 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: to creep in starting with Jurassic Park, not starting with 449 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 1: but you take my meaning. Now, none of the celebrities 450 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: we mentioned who visited the set actually wound up in 451 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,400 Speaker 1: the movie. But Hook has a ton of celebrity cameos. 452 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: Some are obvious and some are insanely hidden, but they're 453 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: all pretty nuts. So, first of we have Glenn Close, 454 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: who plays the pirate who upsets Captain Hook and gets 455 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: thrown into the box, the Google box, the Boo box 456 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: with a scorpion, an early forerunner in Glenn Close's history 457 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: and male drag. You know, She famously did Albert Nobbs 458 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 1: in two thousand eleven where she's in Dragged for that 459 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: whole movie, she looks terrifyingly not terrified. She looks uncandidly 460 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: like lev On Helm. I have to say, if there's 461 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: ever like a late in light like a Todd Haynes, 462 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm not there, like re imagining if the life of 463 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: of just leave on Helm, like not even the rest 464 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: of the band, just leave on Helm. I went glen 465 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: close to do the Cape Blanchet Dragon role. Her look 466 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: of horror in that film is in that scene is 467 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: really really scary. Well, it's like the Deer Hunter. They 468 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 1: actually put her in a box with the scrape end. 469 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: There's rats in here, Michael, We'll get into the deer 470 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: Hunter later. Uh fun segue from hook getting into the 471 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: deer Hunter. Okay, Next to the celebrity, this isn't the 472 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: lightning round. We're moving at Molassas pace. David Crosby. David Crosby, 473 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: actual must pirate, mustache owner and probably like one of 474 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: the few people on this with actual sailing experience, as 475 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: the pirate who screams long Live the pan on hook Ship. 476 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett, who wishes he was a pirate and is not. 477 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: This debate over whether or not he's actually in this movie. 478 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: Some people say he might have been cut. Obviously. I 479 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: think it would please Jimmy Buffett to no end to 480 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: have played a pirate in this movie, so I hope 481 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: it didn't happen for him. I heard that he was 482 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: the pirate who tries to steal Peter's shoes. And then, 483 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: but my ever cameo in this whole movie, while we're 484 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: on the topic of music legends, is Phil Collins. The 485 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: police detective at the beginning of the movie named Inspector 486 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: Good is Phil Collins, And he filmed this cameo in 487 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: in two days. And the really interesting part, sort of 488 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: an Easter egg, is in Myra's bedroom, there's a poster 489 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: of the Beatles movie A Hard Day's Night, and Phil 490 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: Collins was actually an extra in this movie in nineteen 491 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: sixty four. He was in drama school and he was 492 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: one of the crowd in the in the concert scenes 493 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: screaming at the Beatles. So they kind of stuck that 494 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: in there as a little as a little nod to him. 495 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: But it's funny because he did have a background in 496 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: training as an actor and He was worried that in 497 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: some of the early press for the movie, they featured 498 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: his name pretty heavily and it was just a little cameo, 499 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: and he was really worried that everyone was going to 500 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: think that he had a bigger role and he didn't 501 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: perform very well and they cut it down to just 502 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: a small cameo. So then he kind of gently requested 503 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: that his name be uh faded a little bit from 504 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 1: the early press coverage, which I'm going to We're not 505 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie a lot on this podcast, but 506 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to lie right now and say Phil Collins 507 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: had a much bigger role in this movie, and it 508 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: was cut because he's Phil Collins. Uh. Moving on, Carrie 509 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: Fisher and George Lucas are both in this movie. They 510 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: appear as the couple who are kissing on the bridge 511 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: who start to get floated up into the air when 512 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,879 Speaker 1: Tinkerbell sprinkles Ferry Ust over them. Fisher actually confirmed that 513 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: she's in there. She was rumored for a very long time. 514 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: It was sort of one of those up in the 515 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: air bits, and she was confirmed in what was this 516 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: two thousand six anniversary of it was she confirmed that 517 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,880 Speaker 1: she was in there, and Kerry Fisher actually has more 518 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,239 Speaker 1: than just a cameo role on this film, as a 519 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: lot of people found out when she um sadly died. 520 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: She was like a major script doctor, real power behind 521 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: the throne in Hollywood. She was just punching up stuff 522 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: left and right. She did well, maybe I don't want 523 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: to lead with Last Action Hero because that movie isn't great, 524 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: but she did Sister the Wedding Singer. She also put 525 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: in work on the Star Wars prequels, and you know, 526 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: she also did specific work in Hook on Tinkerbell's lines, 527 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: which brings us to Don la Fontaine voice tinker Hill. 528 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: That is right. We we have come to the part 529 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: of this episode where we talk about the major onset 530 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: drama with Julia Roberts, who was playing tinker Bell, or, 531 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: as she was nicknamed by the rather unkind cast and crew, 532 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: tinker Hell. The role was originally devised with Meg Ryan 533 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: in mind, and Winona Ryder was also considered, but of 534 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: course they ultimately went with Julie Roberts. She had an 535 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: absolutely miserable time filming this movie and many reasons, but 536 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,479 Speaker 1: chief among them is that days before they were due 537 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: to begin filming, she called off her engagement to keep 538 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: for Sutherland. Tabloids had found out that he was having 539 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: an affair with an exotic dancer, and she dumped him 540 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: two or three days before they were supposed to tie 541 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: the knot on a studio back lot. I guess the 542 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: theme of the web was Steel Magnolia's Weird. But also 543 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: imagine because we mentioned earlier that Donald Sutherland was up 544 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: for the roll of Hook. So imagine a world where 545 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: Julia Roberts finds out that Kiefer Southerland was cheating on 546 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: her with an exotic dancer, dumps him three days before 547 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: the shoot, and then has to spend god knows however 548 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: long this took to shoot on set with her father 549 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: in law, Yes, playing the villain. That is a special 550 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: kind of hell. That is a universe that I would 551 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: would like to visit, but not live in. Uh So 552 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: this was just a few days before you do to 553 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: start filming, and of course her mindset wasn't great around 554 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: this time. Spielberg would later say her biggest problem was timing. 555 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: Her personal life fell apart. She reported for work on 556 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: that same weekend, which e ugh Spielberg her biggest problem 557 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: was timing Keefer Sutherland was stepping out on her with 558 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 1: an exotic dancer like Spielberg. Don't blame Julia Roberts for that, Sorry, no, 559 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: I agree, I was it was sad and she was 560 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: really I mean, she was really high strung on the set. 561 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: There was a story where someone on set called for Kifo, 562 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: who was the name of Dustin Hoffman's stunt double, but 563 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: Julia heard it as Keefer, as in Keef for Sutherland, 564 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: and she went ballistic and she started saying, call security, 565 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: how did he get on the lot? And then a 566 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: script supervisor coordinator cleared up the confusion. She started dating 567 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: actor Jason Patrick, who was Keefer's was his best friend 568 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: presumably ex best friend Apex Petty move right, uh, And 569 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: they took a trip to Ireland right around when she 570 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: was supposed to be filming Hook and there was apparently 571 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: a lot of tension on set of you know, will 572 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: shear won't she actually show up? And Spielberg apparently had 573 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: to threaten to fire her if she didn't come back immediately. 574 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: So this was really a terrible experience for her. She 575 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: was pretty frail and exhausted the whole time, and apparently 576 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: she was even hospitalized for a really bad case of 577 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: the flu. And to make matters where she worked most 578 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: entirely in isolation because she you know, most of her 579 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: her scenes were in front of a green screen. So 580 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: while everyone else was you know, one big happy family 581 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: in these elaborate sets and just kind of yucking it up, 582 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: she was heartbroken, you know, alone in a green screen 583 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: room in a like a wire trust from all the 584 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: flying stuff like that message just sucks. Yeah, she was heartbroken. 585 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: And then every tabloid on the planet was after a 586 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: story about her, and they were starting all these awful 587 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: rumors about how she was, you know, on drugs, which 588 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: was ridiculous. Who among us could deal with that at 589 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: any age, but especially at twenty three. So so this 590 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: is what she was dealing with, and what the cast 591 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: and crew interpreted as sullenness earned her the nickname Tinker Hell, 592 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 1: and this first became public in a report in Premier 593 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: magazine while the film was still being made, and the article, 594 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: which was nominally a supportive one, described her as a 595 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: quote curious presence on set, sometimes somber, sometimes at the 596 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: near edge of hysteria, which there but for the grace 597 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: of God, go all of us exactly. I mean that 598 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: that's my daily You could describe me every day like that. 599 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: And throwing it back to Dante Basco, who played Rufio, 600 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: he actually has a lot of nice things to say 601 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: about Julia Roberts. He says, I remember meeting her in 602 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: the trailer for the first time and being like, oh 603 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 1: my god, as any of us would. But you know, 604 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: she was always sweet to me. My memory is that 605 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: she was an ingenue at the time and would go 606 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: through the ups and downs of being an ingenue in Hollywood. 607 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: It must have been a tough time. Thank you, Dante A. 608 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: Basco for all that you've done. Now, there's a fact 609 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: about Julia Roberts on the set of Hook that usually 610 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: gets kind of misconstrued. Uh. She apparently had an assistant 611 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: whose only job was to clean her feet, which no, no, 612 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: I mean, granted, she spent the entire movie barefoot, so 613 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: you almost say it was necessary. But even if it 614 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: wasn't necessary task, it does just sound bad. You're right, 615 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: And then you know, Spielberg said that he would never 616 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: work with her again. I mean, he did defend her 617 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: at a certain point, you know, he said, at one 618 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: point Julia went through the most trying times of her 619 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: life while they were shooting Hook, and it was simply 620 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: bad timing for all of us that she's happened to 621 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: start on Hook at that low point and that, but 622 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: he did say her performance was terrific. But then in 623 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: a later sixty minute episodes, he said, it was an 624 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: unfortunate time for us to work together. But I think 625 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: Julia is a really, really good actress. So he chalks 626 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: a lot of this up to timing, which sure, it's 627 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: understandable even if it is Keith or Subwan's fault. But 628 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: when he's asked if he would work together again, he 629 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: says no, which like he does he think that Keither 630 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: Suberoman is going to cheat on her again during their 631 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: next movie. So anyway, this hurts Julia Roberts feelings, and she, 632 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: in a later interview with Vanity Fair, says, I saw 633 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: that and my eyes popped out of my head. I 634 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that this person that 635 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: I knew and trusted was actually hesitating to come to 636 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: my defense. It was a hard lesson to learn. It 637 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: was the first time that I had felt a turncoat 638 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: in my midst stirring calmdim condemnation of Steven Spielberg from 639 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: Julia Roberts, which Steven Spielberg's you hurt Julia Roberts, I 640 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: will never forgive you for that. As you meditate on that, 641 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more too much information after 642 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: these messages. Meanwhile, though Spielberg got along really well with 643 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: Robin Williams on the set, I don't know why I 644 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: said his name like that. That was no one in 645 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: the history has ever pronounced Robin Williams name with that inflection. 646 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: But you know what, we're gonna keep that. That's the 647 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: keeper that's staying on. Uh. We have a series of 648 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, the requisite Robin Williams is the best stories, 649 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: Alex take us there. What are what are some amazing 650 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 1: Robin Williams stories from on the set? Well, I mean 651 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: the first thing is that obviously Robin Williams is an 652 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: incredibly hairy man, so he had to shave most of 653 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: his upper body hair. The role of Peter, which I 654 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: imagine him is like a scene from the pilot episode 655 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: of Malcolm in the Middle where he's just standing there 656 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: naked being shaved, reading the paper every morning. But did 657 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: they need why did they need to do that. Why 658 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: couldn't that have been more like one of many ways 659 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: of illustrating that he he grew up. Yeah, I don't 660 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 1: know if it's they were there. Steven Sperry had an 661 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: imaginary line in his head where he was like two Harry, 662 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: two Harry, shave it um. So in between shots, Williams 663 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: would do stand up for the crew. Scriptwriter Jim B. 664 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: Hart says Robin was the soul of the set. With 665 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: a hundred plus shooting days, Robin could keep everyone laughing. 666 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: The Lost Boys loved him, the crew loved him. He 667 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 1: worked harder than any actor on the film. And you know, 668 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: everybody has good things to say about him. Russian Hammond, 669 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 1: the nine year old who plays thud Butt, which is 670 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: we don't want to body shame this kid, but everyone 671 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: knows why he's called thud Butt, And he asked Robin 672 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: Williams to do a Mork bit for him, and so 673 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: Robin Williams went with a bit about Mork hooking up 674 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: with Barbara Bush. Regina Russell, who plays one of the mermaids, 675 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: says that Williams would always call all of the mermaids 676 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: sushi or sashimi. That's cute. Yeah, and bringing it back 677 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: to Dante Basco, you cant do a whole side podcast, 678 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: I'll just Rufio anecdotes. So Ruvio. Actor Dante Bosco was 679 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: a big fan of Dead Poets Society because he's also 680 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: an aspiring poet at the time, so he would talk 681 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 1: to Robin Williams a lot about that film, and when 682 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: they wrapped, Robin gave him as a rap present a 683 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 1: limited edition copy of Leaves of Grass, which is, as 684 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: everyone knows, like a huge part of Dead Poets Society. 685 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,359 Speaker 1: Walt Whitman figures very heavily into that film, and then 686 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 1: Bosco says, consequently, I ended up opening a poetry venue 687 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: out of my living room, which is now the largest 688 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: open mic poetry venue in America. It's called the Poetry Lounge. 689 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: So Robin Williams literally making dreams come true. On the 690 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 1: flip side, he was also a big fan of Mooning Um. Apparently, Uh, 691 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 1: Robert Williams pulled a prank on the set. Spielberg was 692 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: directing a huge pirate ship battle scene and he was 693 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 1: trying to get everyone's attention through a loud speaker and 694 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 1: setting everything up, and Robin was just behind him, and 695 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: right when they're about to shoot and everyone's calm down, 696 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: ready to roll, Robin drops trout I believe is the 697 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: technical term, and moons everyone and Spielberg lost control of 698 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: the set for several minutes while everyone is falling around laughing. 699 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: Despite that, Robert Williams and Steven Spielberg became very very 700 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: very close friends. Robin used to call Steven Spielberg up 701 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: a year or two later when he was making Schindler's 702 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 1: List in order to cheer him up from making this, 703 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 1: you know, incredibly heartbreaking somber movie and do like ten 704 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,400 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of stand up on the phone, which h 705 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: Spielberg would later say is really you know, helping him 706 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: through that tough experience. And uh, apparently after Robin's death, 707 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,799 Speaker 1: Spielberg decided to uh to watch Hook Out of Remembrance, 708 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: but he couldn't finish it because he couldn't stop crying 709 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,319 Speaker 1: for several hours. You can't hate Spielberg now, And yeah, 710 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: I was gonna say that really humanizes Steven Spielberg quite 711 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: a bit in my eyes, but apparently, Uh, though Robin 712 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: and Spielberg were good friends, Robin and Dustin Hoffman were 713 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 1: more like frenemies on the set. Yeah, you know, this 714 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: is to the best of our knowledge, and unless they 715 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: did something weird when they were struggling actors that we 716 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: have no idea about. The first time Robin Williams and 717 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: Dustin Hoffman were on screen together and uh, they had 718 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: an interesting relationship on the film. They would basically just 719 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: start out the day by swapping dirty jokes and limericks. Um, 720 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: which is, you know, maybe if you behavior on a 721 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: set where there are that many kids. But Luke Lafontaine actors, Yeah, 722 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: Luke Lafontaine, who played one of the pirates, says there 723 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,240 Speaker 1: was this parrot on the ship and Robin could imitate 724 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: it perfectly, and invariably he would screech just when Dustin 725 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 1: was in the middle of a long scene. So they 726 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: would just start with each other like this constantly. Um. 727 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 1: One of the extras later said that in the middle 728 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: of a scene, Dustin said, I've lost my motivation. Let's 729 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: do it again, and then Robin does an incredible deep 730 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 1: cut reference to that. She says, when all else fails, 731 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: try acting, which is a withering put down, even out 732 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: of context. So the whole story behind this is that 733 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 1: Sir Lawrence Olivier Um apparently on the set of Marathon 734 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: Man like fifteen years earlier with Dustin Hoffman. I guess 735 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: Hoffman said something similar like, I've lost my motivation and 736 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: sear Horn's Olivia the greatest actor on the planet, the 737 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,280 Speaker 1: greatest Shakespearean actor of the twenty century, sniffs n ollilse 738 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: fails try acting. It's just like, I don't know why 739 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,440 Speaker 1: I gave him the wayam F Buckley kind of voice. 740 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, so somehow Robin Williams knew that anecdote and 741 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: probably delivered it in a pitch perfect Olivier accent and 742 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 1: just murdered Dustin Hoffman. And he has never survived to 743 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: this day. But Hoffman would get his own back right. 744 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 1: He had some choice words for Robin too. I guess 745 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: there were some moments when there was a time when 746 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: Robin flubbed his lines and Dustin looked right into the 747 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: camera and said, wow, what can you expect from Mark? 748 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,560 Speaker 1: But then Robin, of course that spurred him to greatness, 749 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,239 Speaker 1: and he did the next take perfectly. And then he 750 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: looked into the camera and said, hey, Ishtars on television tonight, 751 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: Ishtar being Dustin Hoffman's huge mid eighties box office bomb. 752 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: So yeah, they they had a fun relationship. I hope 753 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: all of those are captured somewhere. I hope they like 754 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: that that's in Spielberg's vault and he just watches them 755 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 1: bickering like children to cheer himself up. But this segues 756 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: into the category we alluded to earlier, which is Dustin 757 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,560 Speaker 1: Hoffman is kind of a dick. Yeah, that is right. 758 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you can't really qualify this as 759 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: strictly diggish behavior. But he would start every morning, apparently 760 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: for health reasons, he would eat an entire bowl of 761 00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: hot onions and garlic every morning before going onto the set, 762 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,720 Speaker 1: which you know, obviously can have smelled that great. Canna 763 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: made his breath that great, and Robin, who was going 764 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,399 Speaker 1: to be doing a lot of close up scenes with him. 765 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: We then also imbibe in this, just so that you 766 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: know it canceled each other out and Spielberg, which is 767 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: not how that works. Isn't that what you do? Like, 768 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,200 Speaker 1: you know, going to a date and Italian restaurant, you 769 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,239 Speaker 1: gotta both order the garlic. That's not Isn't that like 770 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: a thing? I guess? And Spielberg not to be left 771 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,799 Speaker 1: out did that too, so they would walk onto the set, 772 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: and Spielberg says the crowds would just part like the 773 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,200 Speaker 1: Red Seas when they walked onto the set because it 774 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: just apparently smelled so bad. So, I don't know, you 775 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: can't really call that dickish behavior, but it didn't make 776 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: him a particularly liked presence on the set in the 777 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: physical sense. He also kind of tried to be a 778 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,920 Speaker 1: director a lot, like he was always calling the shots 779 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: on the set, and uh, Dante Brasco would say, it 780 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: was weird. It was like having a lot of different directors. 781 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: But Dante also said that Hoffman was really generous but 782 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: trying to help him work through lines and stuff, so 783 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: he was trying to be helpful, but um yeah, kind 784 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: of it definitely made things a little tense on the set. 785 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: Spielberg later said that, uh, Hoffman's sort of behind the 786 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: camera phase, we were helpful, and he said that Hook 787 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: was the most collaborative movie that he ever made. But 788 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 1: I don't know, a collaborative sounds like a euphemism for 789 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: being way more deferential and kind to Dustin Hoffman than 790 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: he was to Julia Roberts. Uh, yeah, there are some 791 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: incidents where Hoffman was really kind of a creep on 792 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: the set. I mean, you know, he was a method 793 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: actor and he got into the preening hook persona. He 794 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: mentioned William F. Buckley earlier, the conservative political commentator. Hoffman 795 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: based a lot of the hook voice on Buckley. But yeah, 796 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: he was just kind of a creep. He would like 797 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 1: walk up to the mermaids and invite them to get 798 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: a drink with him and his like scary, creepy hook voice. 799 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: And I guess he he drank champagne and Guinness, which 800 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,879 Speaker 1: is a cocktail called a black Velvet Bonna's favorite drink. 801 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: Is it really? Yeah, he sends it. He sends like 802 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: cases of guinness and dumpiring out the people as like 803 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 1: a rap present. I did not know that. It's a 804 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: hell of a drink. I don't give you one mother 805 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,239 Speaker 1: a hangover. Well, I guess he felt that Hook would 806 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: drink that, So we just sort of drank that all 807 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,759 Speaker 1: day on the set, and uh, it made him a 808 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: little aggressive and and some have said mean spirited, but 809 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 1: you know that's hook was Hook. Yeah, I guess he 810 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 1: would walk up to some of the girls and asked, 811 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: did you dream about me last night. That's weird. Yeah, 812 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: that's a little weird. But but maybe he was just 813 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,760 Speaker 1: pan sexual because in a two thousand four Playboy interview, 814 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: Hoffman said that he had an ah ha moment with 815 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: Bob Hoskins, who plays Mr Smee. Those are his words, 816 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 1: the ahma aha moment. They decided to play their characters 817 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: as quote a couple of old queens because they felt J. M. 818 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: Barry had created them that way. So this is Dustin 819 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: Hoffman talking to Playboy. Bob and I were rehearsing, and 820 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: suddenly we looked at each other and realized at the 821 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 1: same time, we said, these guys are gay, and it 822 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 1: was fun. Suddenly we rehearsed that way. Get over here, 823 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: sm give me a foot massage. Suddenly it made all 824 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 1: the sense in the world. They were really good friends, 825 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: they lived on a ship, they were devoted to each other. 826 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: Or on the Bob Hoskins topic, he was apparently a 827 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 1: great favorite of the Pirate extras. There was a scene 828 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: when Spielberg got three D Pirate extras altogether for a 829 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 1: scene was sme and then and Spielberg ultimately had to 830 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: cut it from the film and to make up for 831 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: this Hoskins bought beer for all three hundred of the 832 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,040 Speaker 1: Pirate extras. Hell Yeah. And he also when when things 833 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,439 Speaker 1: got tense on the set or boring whatever, he would 834 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: apparently launch into versions of Lionel Richie's hit Hello, but 835 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,800 Speaker 1: altering the lyrics to Hello. Is it sme? You're looking 836 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: for which low hanging fruit? But I'll give it to 837 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 1: Bob Hoskins. While we're on the topic of the Pirate extras, um, 838 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: it's interesting the strict rules. There are strict rules, but 839 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: these people were bikers. There were like a hundred and 840 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,399 Speaker 1: fifty pirates who were cast for this movie, and they 841 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: were recruited at biker bars and they basically lie around 842 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: the Pirate wharf set drunk, except for the fact that 843 00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,800 Speaker 1: they were very strict rules for them. They had six 844 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,080 Speaker 1: pirate wranglers on staff. That's being on your IMDb. Yeah, 845 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: pirate wrangler on the set of Hook. And there was 846 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: a printed list of thirty five rules that were circulated 847 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: for the Pirate extras, including do not talk to the principles, 848 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: do not touch the principles, do not ask for autographs, 849 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,280 Speaker 1: do not eat or drink the cast or cruise food, 850 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: including Steven Spielberg, Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman's garlic and 851 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: onions breakfast. That would just threw that in no taking pictures. 852 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,360 Speaker 1: Do not touch the animals, Do not pet the monkey, 853 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: or you will be fired. I don't know why they 854 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: spent why they maybe the monkey was kind of a 855 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: diva um anyway, And so in between the scenes, the 856 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,799 Speaker 1: hundred and fifties Surly biker pirates were just sent to 857 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: another holding area, another sound stage, where they were given 858 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,399 Speaker 1: pretzels and water while everyone else was like eating real 859 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: craft service food. That's it's funny about this, this massive, 860 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,760 Speaker 1: overbloated budget thing. They were like, where can we cut corners? 861 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 1: Let's feed the makers pretzels, battle work. Uh So, one 862 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,879 Speaker 1: of the extras later said the hierarchy on the set 863 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,560 Speaker 1: was hard to take. I personally was thinking of petting 864 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: that monkey on several occasions, which is just one of 865 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: the greatest pool clothes you could ever ask for. And 866 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: while we're on the topic of the film's massively bloated 867 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:23,800 Speaker 1: production and behind the scenes minutia, yes, here's a lightning 868 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: round of hook production odds and ends. My favorite actually 869 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 1: is the food fight in the movie. The food was 870 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: actually just colored whipped cream, and most of the kid's 871 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 1: weaponry was understandably made of rubber, but sword Rubio Dante 872 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,719 Speaker 1: Basco was real and he learned how to fight backwards. 873 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: That still boggles my mind. Speaking of whipped cream, in 874 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,480 Speaker 1: an interview with E W. Julia Roberts said that the 875 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: crew did whippets on her green screen sound stage, which 876 00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:02,200 Speaker 1: is basically sprang more often thought in my second hand 877 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: experience with whippets, it was nitrous outside from with cream canister, right, 878 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: isn't that what it is? Yeah, so it's kind of 879 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 1: like inhaling a bunch of laughing gas or something. And 880 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: it's just so that she does not name names. No, 881 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,240 Speaker 1: she does not know, but that was how they passed 882 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:22,359 Speaker 1: time on the certainly less exotic and active green screen set. Uh. 883 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:25,799 Speaker 1: Something very strange. I didn't know. Lady Diana's boyfriend, who 884 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,359 Speaker 1: died with her in the car crash in Paris, has 885 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:35,120 Speaker 1: an executive producer credit on hook Doty fiatt Um owned 886 00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: a piece of the Peter Pan film rights and he 887 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: sold them to the filmmakers in return for an executive 888 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:43,120 Speaker 1: producer credit, So he's on the on the credits there. Yeah, 889 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 1: So fid was fascinated by Hollywood and he financed or 890 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: co financed six films between like the mid eighties and 891 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: the nineties when he died, including Chariots of Fire. So 892 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: he actually had a piece of that one as well. Yeah, 893 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,200 Speaker 1: he was not like a Hollywood Dilton. He actually, you know, 894 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,760 Speaker 1: worked in the industry for a while. That is interesting. 895 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: I did not know that there are some easter eggs, 896 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: some more fun easter eggs in the film. Early on 897 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: in the movie, when when Peter is on a plane, 898 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 1: you hear the this is your captain speaking coming over 899 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 1: the over the p a. That voice belongs to Dustin Hoffman, 900 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:24,080 Speaker 1: captain of the plane, Captain Hook yep uh speaking to 901 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 1: Captain Hook. If you look at his pirate hat, you'll 902 00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,319 Speaker 1: note that there's triangular detailing around it, and apparently this 903 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 1: was designed to reflect crocodile's teeth, since we all know 904 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,280 Speaker 1: that was how Hook meets his in at the original 905 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,040 Speaker 1: story of Peter Pan and also in the movie, there 906 00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,839 Speaker 1: is an original copy, first edition copy of Peter Pan 907 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,360 Speaker 1: the book. In one of the one of the early 908 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: scenes when Sme played by Bob Hoskins, wakes up the 909 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 1: pirates using a megaphone, he shouts good Morning Neverland. That 910 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: was a nod to the Robin Williams movie Good Morning Vietnam, 911 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 1: where he begins all of his radio broadcasts with same 912 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 1: uh scream. Also, the character of Tootles references the Dead 913 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,839 Speaker 1: Poet Society when he shouts sees the day. The end 914 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 1: of the movie, Robert Williams's character tells his students to 915 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,919 Speaker 1: carpet dim, which is Latin foresees the day in Dead 916 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: Poets Society and Uh. Peter Banny's kidnapped children are called 917 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: Jack and Maggie, which are the nicknames for John and Margaret. 918 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,760 Speaker 1: The German equivalents of those names have the nicknames Hansel 919 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: and Gretel. Yeah, but one of the more famous things 920 00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: about Hook is that it was a bit of a 921 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,920 Speaker 1: sad trombone you know. Yeah, it did not do super 922 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,919 Speaker 1: great at the box office. Uh. It's obviously become much 923 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,319 Speaker 1: beloved cult classic. But you know, for something that had 924 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,040 Speaker 1: this much anticipation built around it, it didn't do super 925 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,359 Speaker 1: It didn't light the world on fire. And it's weird 926 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: to think now, I mean, because I because it's such 927 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,319 Speaker 1: a beloved class exactly. But yeah, even even Spielberg doesn't 928 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,040 Speaker 1: like it. Yeah, so I mean as recently it's two 929 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,280 Speaker 1: thousand eleven, he was saying, I still don't like that movie. 930 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm hoping someday I'll see it again and perhaps like 931 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,000 Speaker 1: some of it, some of it, some of it. But 932 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,359 Speaker 1: he did later say that there are parts of Hook 933 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,320 Speaker 1: I love um, and then he gets unnecessarily like specific 934 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,360 Speaker 1: about it. This is a two eleven interview with Entertainment Weekly. 935 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,160 Speaker 1: He says, I'm really proud of my work right up 936 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,880 Speaker 1: through Peter being hauled off in the parachute out the 937 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,319 Speaker 1: window heading for Neverland. So that's the part of Hook 938 00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,479 Speaker 1: that Steven spiel Work likes. Then he says, I'm less 939 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,400 Speaker 1: proud of the Neverland sequences because I'm uncomfortable with that 940 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,959 Speaker 1: highly stylized world that today, of course, I probably would 941 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,800 Speaker 1: have done with live action character work inside a completely 942 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,840 Speaker 1: digital set. So that's interesting to me because you know, 943 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,600 Speaker 1: you talk about poor Julie Roberts being strung up in 944 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,040 Speaker 1: a truss on a green screen, completely isolated from this 945 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: magical world that everyone else was having a blast on, 946 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,040 Speaker 1: and Steven Sperroger is like, today, that's how I would 947 00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,040 Speaker 1: do the whole movie. Uh yeah, so then you know, 948 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,800 Speaker 1: he also said I didn't have any confidence in the script, 949 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,400 Speaker 1: which throws our beloved James V. Hart under the bus. 950 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,279 Speaker 1: I didn't know what I was doing and tried to 951 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,200 Speaker 1: paint over my insecurity with production value. And uh yeah 952 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 1: about that. Thanks in part to the elaborate production design, 953 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 1: Hook is one of the very few movies at Spielberg 954 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,680 Speaker 1: ever directed that went way over schedule and way over budget. 955 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,600 Speaker 1: It was set to run for a seventy six day 956 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:20,800 Speaker 1: film shoot, rando a hundred sixteen days instead. The cost 957 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,920 Speaker 1: started out at forty eight million, but later balloon to 958 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 1: eighty million, making it one of the most expensive movies 959 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,799 Speaker 1: ever made at the time. And that's just production budget, right, 960 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't get into marketing costs. I don't think, Yeah, 961 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 1: I think so. I mean that is crazy. And while 962 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,319 Speaker 1: we are going with for the Spielberg Pylon, Yeah, while 963 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,799 Speaker 1: we while we're piling on Steven Spielberg. Hook is one 964 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 1: of only three of Spielberg's movies to have been rated 965 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 1: rotten by Rotten Tomatoes, along with ninety one and the 966 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,200 Speaker 1: Jurassic Park sequel The Lost World. Roger Ebert, with his 967 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:56,759 Speaker 1: usual incredible gift for just murdering. People called Hook a 968 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:01,160 Speaker 1: lugubrious retread of a once magical idea which I'm getting 969 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: printed on a business card. The original cut of the 970 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:09,040 Speaker 1: film ran three hours, hence the lugubrious part. Vincent Canby 971 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,319 Speaker 1: at The New York Times just said it was too much, 972 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:17,120 Speaker 1: and even Peter Travers panned it. Who's he likes everything? Yeah, Spielberg, 973 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,200 Speaker 1: it's still kind of in black mark in his career, 974 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: like even garbage, like the Crystal Skull still has its champions, 975 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,879 Speaker 1: people like the Terminal, you know, but yeah, Hook still 976 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,719 Speaker 1: stands as that as a critically drubbed Spielberg film. You 977 00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 1: know my problem with Hook? Why is it called Hook? 978 00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:42,880 Speaker 1: It's about Peter? Or just do this anyway? That is 979 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: everything you didn't know about Hook. We are officially out. 980 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,399 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us today. We hope 981 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,799 Speaker 1: you enjoyed yourselves. This has been too much information. We'll 982 00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:59,360 Speaker 1: catch you next time. We'll see you. Too much Information 983 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 1: was a production and of I Heart Radio. The show's 984 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,640 Speaker 1: executive producers are Noel Brown and Jordan run Talk. The 985 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,280 Speaker 1: supervising producer is Mike John's. 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