1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: And welcome everyone to another edition of Orlando Magic Pod Squad. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: On this edition, we catch up with Magic assistant coach 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: Jesse Murmis kind enough to join us and give us 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: some insight into the behind the scenes work that this 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: incredible staff assembled by Jamal Mosley has done this year 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: in the last three years here in Central Florida, Magic 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: Pod Squad brought you by the Florida Department of Transportation, 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: remind you that fans don't let fans drive drunk. If 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: you've been drinking, don't get behind the wheel. 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On this edition of Magic 20 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: Pod Squad, there's fonds of long enough the Orlando Magic. 21 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: This is anth This is Jennings Suggs. This is Paulo 22 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: Man Carroll the Orlando Magic and you're listening to the 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: Pod Squad. Hey, welcome every. 24 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 1: One to the latest edition of Orlando Magic Pod Squad 25 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: Dotje Marc Telli, George Galante, Jake Chapman here with you, 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: and it is our pleasure to welcome in Orlando Magic 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: assistant coach Jesse Murvis kind enough to join us and 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: George and Jake. Just so you know, he's already there's 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: one thing that he does that none of us do, 30 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: and that is workout. 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: That is workout. 32 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: And I took no surprise to anybody. But how about 33 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: that We get in not too bad last night, right, Coach. 34 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: We get in about one in the morning to the hotel, 35 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: and you've already got yourself a workout. At the time 36 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: of this taping here in New York City, you're already 37 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: up and at it. 38 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was pretty pumped that we pulled 39 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: that one out, So I had a list, ge got 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 3: didn't sleep nuts. 41 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: Is that what happens? 42 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: Do You got to get up first thing in the 43 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: morning after a big, a big win like that and 44 00:01:58,560 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: get off some of that energy. 45 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it was. I mean, as you know, every 46 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: back to that game in the NBA's an adventure and 47 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: it was looking pretty bleak there. Thank goodness that most 48 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: had an unbelievable halftime because we were able to pull 49 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 3: that thing out. And so I was pretty pumped because 50 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: I knew we had a day off today in New 51 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: York and I knew it would be ruined if we 52 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 3: lost that game. 53 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: So well, that's right. 54 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: Well, you guys, hear it your business. No, it's interesting, Jesse. 55 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: We want to get your story and for everybody listening, 56 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna go back and tell your story, your NBA journey, 57 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: kind of how you got how you got into the NBA. 58 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 4: And if that was the goal and all that. 59 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: But since you touched on it, it's remarkable timing because 60 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: you know, Josh Robbins was there from the athletic and 61 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: of course we know Josh Robbins in Orlando and he 62 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: wrote a nice story about coach Mosey and how about 63 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: he should be considered Coach of the Year this year 64 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: in the NBA, the great job that his staff does 65 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: and all of that. But was different about that halftime 66 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: last night because that came out in that article as well. 67 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 3: Well, you know, we we typically have a routine where 68 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: you know, coach will addressed the team, all show some 69 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 3: offensive adjustments, coach also shows some defensive adjustments or things 70 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 3: that are hurting us, and then you know, we'll bring 71 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: it in and go out there and he just kind 72 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: of passionately, kind of woke them up, said some really 73 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: uh some good words that I won't repeat. But we 74 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: didn't show any film. You know, it wasn't really about 75 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: basketball and the x's and o's, and thank goodness, he 76 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: hit it right on the head and our guys were 77 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: able to respond as they they always do to him. Yes, yes, Jesse. 78 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 5: What do you feel like has has flipped this year 79 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 5: as opposed to maybe last year. It's basically the same 80 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 5: roster for the most part. Is it a matter of 81 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 5: having the same group for for an extended period of time. 82 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 5: Is it something else that you guys have seen behind 83 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 5: the scenes that has clicked this year? What is making 84 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 5: this team into what is becoming? I mean we're a 85 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 5: top fourteen right now in the East. 86 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a pretty dynamic question, and there's I think 87 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: a lot of factors, but I would say the biggest thing. 88 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: Tipping my hat to the players. I feel like they 89 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: all player development wise, have really improved, and collectively they've 90 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 3: taken a big jump, and then obviously Paolo and France 91 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 3: have taken a big jump, and and because of the 92 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: improvement that they've made because of their hard work. When 93 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: you have that type of improvement from year to year, 94 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: then it helps the players kind of guide them into 95 00:04:53,400 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: more roles and responsibilities. And I think what to all 96 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 3: the guys credit is they're all buying into what the 97 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 3: team needs to win the very next game. And we 98 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: have a little bit more of a role definition going 99 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,840 Speaker 3: on with Paulo and Franz kind of leading the charge, 100 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: and so that puts you, you know, more in a 101 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: win now mode as opposed to a development mode. And 102 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: and really that's you know, it's it's a tribute to 103 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: Moe's with obviously the culture and everything that he's established, 104 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 3: and then to the players for working their tails off, 105 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 3: buying in and doing what it takes to win. 106 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 5: Hey, guys, can we mark this too, because that was 107 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 5: the first time somebody said that I asked a dynamic question. 108 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 5: I just want to make sure for the record that 109 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 5: we have that down that that that's the first time time. Oh, 110 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 5: we're well aware that that's the first I want to 111 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 5: make sure to make sure. 112 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 4: I'll clip it. 113 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: I'll clip it. Well, we'll thank you, we'll get it. 114 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 4: On the social channels. Coach Steve Clifford the other day 115 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 4: was talking about Polo and he mentioned specifically, when your 116 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: best player sets that kind of example, everybody else is 117 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 4: sort of forced to fall in line. And we'll throw 118 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 4: Fronds in that as well. The day to day, the 119 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 4: long NBA season, the record against sub five hundred teams, 120 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 4: second nights of back to backs, it can be I 121 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 4: think difficult to get up for games sometimes in the 122 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 4: early part of February, for instance, But when you got 123 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 4: Pollow and Franz who play every night and take every 124 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 4: game as seriously as they do, it's just sort of 125 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 4: the nature of the rest of the roster to fall 126 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 4: in line, right. 127 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really impressive because I've been I've been 128 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: so fortunate to be with so many of these young 129 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: stars in today's NBA just because of my stops around 130 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 3: the league, and the biggest thing that is hard for 131 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 3: these guys to do is be consistent. You know, there's 132 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 3: so many players in the NBA that can go out 133 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 3: on a night and have a big game, have about 134 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: you know, thirty five and and even have wins streak 135 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 3: going and play really well for a time period and 136 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 3: then fall off for a while. And Uh, the consistency 137 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 3: that Paulo has shown for a second year player is incredible. 138 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: And so he's he's a big time player. Uh. Mentally, 139 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: he's so tough and his consistency is what made him 140 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 3: an All Star and and that consistency is what you know, 141 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: gets you into the playoff contention. 142 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: Jesse, I always think the side of a great staff 143 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: is is how you can kind of keep to keep 144 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: the team afloat even when you're losing players for injury 145 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: or out of the rochster or whatever. And there is 146 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: a way that this team plays, and there has been 147 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: since this since Coach Mosley and this staff got here. 148 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: There's a way that this team plays. And I think 149 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: that's another thing to Jake's credit, that Steve Clifford said, uh, 150 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: the other day, but last you know, last night in Washington, 151 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: d C. It's a sluggish start. You're starting two Green Goblins. 152 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: You've had over thirty starts for two Green Goblins. Right 153 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: with gog and Anthony Black. But there's a way you 154 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: play where there's expectations for those guys when they come 155 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: in to not have a drop off. Just touch on 156 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: the job that the role that you play in this 157 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: coaching staff with keeping no matter who it is, ready 158 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: every night. 159 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think that what you guys see across 160 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: the NBA and with the scoring and the just the 161 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: offensive numbers league wide are incredible, obviously, and there's a 162 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: lot of factors of that. Obviously. I know coach Kerr 163 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: and some of the head coaches have complained about the 164 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 3: officiating and the rule changes to try to encourage scoring. 165 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 3: But also a lot of that is that the culture 166 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: of defense hasn't really from a coaching body. It has 167 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: kind of gone away as well because it's just so 168 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: hard to get these guys to be able to play 169 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 3: both sides of the basketball with the schedule. You know, 170 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: there's a lot of factors to that, and so really 171 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 3: it goes back to again Moe's driving home that you 172 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 3: have to play defense here to get on the floor, 173 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 3: and when you're held accountable for playing defense, it's a 174 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 3: lot easier for a guy to go in there and 175 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: plug in knowing that he has to play defense, and 176 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 3: a guy going in there thinking, hey, I need to 177 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: show out and score and do you know, do some 178 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: you know, spectacular thing to try to keep this spot. 179 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: And so I think that you know, from day one, 180 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: we've been a defensive minded team or you know, everything 181 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 3: that we do is defense first, and we've been able 182 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 3: to stick to that because of most And so when 183 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: you do that, I think, you know, the guys at 184 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: some point they have to fall in line there. They 185 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: either got to play defense or they're not getting big petty. 186 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: So he's made that very clear. And to those, you know, 187 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: to our players credit they play defense. 188 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I know if I was on the 189 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 5: roster and I wasn't playing defense, I wouldn't want to 190 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 5: get on the floor. So that would keept my roots 191 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 5: on the floor for sure. Jesse, let's go to you personally, 192 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 5: just for a little bit. Did you ever think starting 193 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 5: out in South Point Catholic High School that twenty years 194 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 5: later you'd be on the biggest stage. 195 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 3: The brightest lights. 196 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 5: I talk about your start and where you thought this 197 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 5: this thing was going to take you. 198 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: Well, it's so funny that you asked that, because I 199 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 3: actually did think that, and that maybe was my problem 200 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 3: a little bit as a player, because, uh, all the 201 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 3: way up until I stopped playing, I really believed I 202 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 3: was gonna play in the n b A. I mean, 203 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 3: I had just a very naive, incredible belief and was 204 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 3: a big time dreamer. And so even when I finally stopped, 205 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 3: when I stopped chasing the basketball dream, from a player standpoint, 206 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: I always as soon as I started coaching, I believe 207 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 3: that I would be coaching in the NBA. And so, uh, 208 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: it was very vivid to me. It was very real 209 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: to me, and I just took every step towards that 210 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 3: as my north star. And I remember, you know, I've 211 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 3: been with my my wife, Michelle for a really long time. 212 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: We met in college, and I remember we were taking 213 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: a road trip. I was coaching in an AAU tournament 214 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: in Las Vegas, and we had to drive there and 215 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: and I remember we pulled off. We were having a sandwich, 216 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: like a stop and and I remember telling her, you know, 217 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 3: I'm going to coach in the NBA and we're gonna 218 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 3: be fine. It's gonna be all good, because I think 219 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: at the time I wasn't making any money, and you know, 220 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 3: it's a really big time struggle obviously to be a 221 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 3: basketball coach if you're looking to establish a family and 222 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: you know, do the real world stuff, because you just 223 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: don't make any money for a really long time. And 224 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 3: so I remember telling her that, and I remember her 225 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: being like, Okay, Like I didn't know how convinced he 226 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: was in that, but she vividly remembers me saying that. 227 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: And so when you were you were a high school 228 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,599 Speaker 3: coach at that point, Jesse, Yeah, I was. I was 229 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 3: a high school coach at that point, and I remember 230 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 3: when I did get to the NBA, I remember her 231 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,479 Speaker 3: reminding me of that conversation. 232 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: Hm, the greatest l stuff coach? 233 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 4: Who are a few I'm sure you could do a 234 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 4: whole podcast on this question, but who were a few 235 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 4: few figures along the way who opened doors for you? 236 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 4: And uh and and maybe give you a little pat 237 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 4: on the butt along your way to get you to 238 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 4: this point. Uh. 239 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 3: Well, growing up in Tucson, Arizona, Loud Olson was like, uh, 240 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 3: the he was the man. I mean, he was so presidential, 241 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 3: he was they they were winning at such a high level. 242 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: He was everything. If you loved basketball, I mean, you 243 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: looked up to this guy. He was incredible, incredible coach, 244 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: incredible person, the way he carried himself and spoke and everything, 245 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 3: and so I would say he was a big inspiration 246 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: for me. And and then when I got to the NBA, 247 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: my first gig with the Denver Nuggets, I was so 248 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 3: fortunate to be with George carl and uh Tim Ergovich 249 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: who were just longtime old school NBA coaches, because it 250 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: really gave I think most would say the same thing. 251 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 3: It really set us up with a foundation of you know, 252 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 3: doing things the right way, how things need to be done, 253 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: how to pour into the players, and that really set 254 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: us up for success in the NBA. 255 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: Eight No, it's interesting, Jesse. 256 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: You start, you know, you're in community college and then 257 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: your Southern Utah and then you go you go back 258 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:30,119 Speaker 1: to Arizona. 259 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: Your your break in the NBA. 260 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: Right, I think you started with video with Denver. As 261 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: you mentioned, that's when you met Jamal Mosley. You ultimately 262 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: met Messiah Jerry with your time in Denver. But when 263 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: you get that big break, now you're you're trying to 264 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: work your way up the ranks. I mean, what was 265 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: that conversation like in that move when when you're starting 266 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: your NBA journey with the Denver Nuggets are really good, 267 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: by the way, really good Denver teams. 268 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was so much fun. I mean 269 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: it was incredible hours. I remember I didn't really see 270 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: my you know, my wife. We'd moved to Denver. We 271 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: were in this tiny shoe box of a place, and 272 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: I remember I just did not see her. I mean, 273 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 3: I was there twenty four to seven. It was extremely demanding, 274 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: but it was so much fun. That team, the players 275 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 3: with you know, Carmelo, Anthony and j R. Smith and 276 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 3: Birdman and all Chauncey Billups, like all these guys, like 277 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 3: I was learning from them just as much as I 278 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 3: was learning from the coaches. It was an unbelievable time 279 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: because of one I mean, we were obviously really good, 280 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: but like with having Kenya, Martin and Nyana, all these 281 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 3: guys were so tough and it was such a the 282 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: culture of it was toughness and they everyone was riding 283 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: each other and if you didn't have thick skin around there, 284 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 3: you were gonna be in trouble. So it was like, 285 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: I mean, throwing you to the wolves and you're having earth. 286 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm getting yelled at by the players I 287 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: was getting yelled at by coach Carl by Tim Gergovich 288 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: would take me to the side and just blastemy for 289 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: oh my minutes. 290 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: Bring it out for what because it wasn't what they 291 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: were asking for, wasn't set up or what were they getting? 292 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean maybe some of that. I was extremely 293 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: hard worker, but it was more of like that's kind 294 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 3: of like the culture. It just goes down the hill 295 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: a little bit and it's like breaking you in, pushing y'all. Jist. 296 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: Then it was very old school NBA, and so uh 297 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: that pushed me to the limit, and I was so 298 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 3: excited and I just kept asking for more. I wanted 299 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: more all the time, and so whatever they threw at me, 300 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: I tried to exceed expectations and because of that, I 301 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: was able to rise quickly in demb. 302 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: That's awesome. See, I would have pushed George right out 303 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 2: of the NBA. 304 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 5: I would have just quit. 305 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 3: I would would. 306 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 5: But speaking of the grind, I mean like then you 307 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 5: are also a head coach Jesse in the G League 308 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 5: and Dante and jakersoft They've never had to take any 309 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 5: time at the minors. 310 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: So this is true. 311 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: Explain to everybody out there. 312 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 5: I mean, I worked in a minor league hockey team 313 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 5: for four years and and there's just something different about 314 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 5: working in the minor leagues where your staffs are much 315 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 5: smaller and you feel like it's us against the world. 316 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 5: Is that how it was for you when when when 317 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 5: you were in sad your time in the G League? 318 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: I love the G League. That is the greatest league 319 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: in the world from a pure basketball standpoint. It's exactly 320 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,880 Speaker 3: how you're describing it. It's so amazing because everybody there 321 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 3: is in it to try to make it and it's 322 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: just like a grind league. And uh, they know, you know, 323 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 3: everybody there also knows that they got to do it 324 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 3: together to make it happen for everybody. And uh, it's 325 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 3: a beautiful league. 326 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: Uh. 327 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 3: The coaching is big time. You're able to learn so 328 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 3: much because of the style of play. Uh, it pushes 329 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: you basketball wise, because guys are in, guys are out. 330 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 3: There's constant change. It's just an incredible league to develop 331 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 3: your skills. And it's so much fun. You know, it's 332 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: just a pure basketball experience because there's just not as 333 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 3: much attention. There's not as much business and money involved, 334 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 3: so it's just pure basketball all day long, every day, 335 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 3: and I loved my time there. 336 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 4: I work in radio. 337 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: That's the g League of sports broadcasting, right. 338 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 4: Coach, When you became the head man for Raptures nine 339 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 4: oh five, what was was there a hey, you're the 340 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 4: mand now moment? I mean, that level of leadership is 341 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 4: a little bit different when everybody is looking to you 342 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 4: for those answers. Was that an eye opening experience for you? 343 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: I think maybe the first I think our first game 344 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 3: was a close game on the road, uh in Fort Wayne, 345 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: and it came down to it came down to ato 346 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: by myself, and I remember running a play that I 347 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: had seen a million times that Greg Popovitch had run 348 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 3: from Onny to Noble and won the game. And it's 349 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 3: a pretty ballsy call because you're setting up a back 350 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: door and it's it's a very unsafe play to run. 351 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 3: But my style is very unsafe and pretty brazen. So 352 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: my first time out, I'm trying to win the game 353 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: and I draw up a play, a Popovich play, and 354 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 3: so a short story goes is that the play did 355 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: not work. It was not applicable for the level of 356 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 3: play of my guys. They're G League guys, they just 357 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 3: don't have the experience to execute that type of play. 358 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 3: But again, you know, you're right in the heat of 359 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 3: the moment, you're trying to go for the win, and 360 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 3: you're just like, let's do this. So the play doesn't work. 361 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 3: They get the ball and they go down there and 362 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 3: hit a game winning shot. Oh no, at the buzzer 363 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 3: and like a pull up three, kind of like the 364 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 3: one that Fox hit on us when we play a meno. 365 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 3: He's like coming up, you know, just a little bit 366 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 3: past half court. So they hit a game winning shot, 367 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 3: and I remember why fucking to the locker room and 368 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: being like, man, was that a bad play? So that 369 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: was probably my first moment of like no, what, Like, 370 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 3: you know, you have to be a little bit more 371 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 3: mindful of who you're dealing with and what their capabilities are. 372 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: This is not the NBA, And so that was like 373 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 3: a big time lesson, Like I had let those guys down, 374 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 3: and I knew right away, and when I addressed them 375 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: in the locker room, I apologize and say, Yo, that 376 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 3: was a bad play call. That's my fault. 377 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: Well, probably didn't help that you called one of your 378 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: guys Tim Duncan. It helps when you have Tim duncan 379 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: help you execute those plays. Well, let's let's fast forward, 380 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: Jesse to twenty twenty one. You get the call from 381 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: Jamal he's taking the job here in Orlando and he 382 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: wants you to be on the staff. 383 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: Right. I obviously you met, you had a nice relationship. 384 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: But that's I would imagine that's how it goes in 385 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: this business. Right, you meet people along the way, and 386 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: you never know who's going to get the job first, 387 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: and who's gonna call who, and where are you're gonna 388 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: end up. But how about that phone call that that 389 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: he was coming to Orlando and putting the team together here. 390 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was. I was super excited. I had known, 391 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 3: obviously Jamal for a really long time, and we had 392 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 3: a great relationship when we worked together, and we stayed 393 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 3: connected through that entire time. So I was excited because 394 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 3: I knew obviously what he was capable of as a coach. 395 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 3: And then I was really excited for the opportunity because 396 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: I love when organizations pick a lane and really like 397 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 3: it's clear cut what they're trying to do, and I 398 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 3: thought Orlando was one of those situations. I think it's 399 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 3: really tough in the NBA when you know, everyone says 400 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: you don't want to be in the middle, like you 401 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 3: don't have a chance to win a championship, but you're 402 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: good enough to, you know, kind of win. So are 403 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 3: you developing? Are you winning? I think it's really tough 404 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 3: from a coaching standpoint to try to pull that off. 405 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 3: And so this was a clear cut situation. We were 406 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 3: going in at ground zero and we were gonna, you know, 407 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: try to build something. And you know, that's very exciting 408 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: to me, and I'm very passionate about that, and so 409 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: I was all. 410 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: In, just what about the what about the other call? 411 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 5: At most gives you that first year where he's got 412 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 5: COVID and he just has Nate Chibbets has COVID and uh, 413 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 5: and you're the guy and you're gonna be the guy 414 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 5: that to lead us for a few games while these 415 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 5: guys are getting healthy. 416 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 4: What was that experience like for you? 417 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 5: Was it just was it as surreal as it seems, 418 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 5: because if that was me, I would just I probably 419 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 5: would have to pinch myself twenty times a day. 420 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, So, well it was a little tough because this 421 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 3: amazing thing was happening for me. But at the same time, 422 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 3: I didn't want to be like over excited and happy 423 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 3: because my guys had COVID and it was like the time, 424 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 3: So it was like it was kind of you know, 425 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 3: just mixed emotion a little bit. But again, I'm a 426 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 3: five nine little spark plug that's coaching in the NBA, 427 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 3: and if I didn't have a ton of confidence in 428 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: my abilities, I wouldn't be able to survive out there 429 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: and provide value. And so there wasn't a moment where 430 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 3: I was nervous, like I was ready to go obviously, 431 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: like and it once you know, it settled in. I 432 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 3: was excited for the opportunity and I was you know, 433 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 3: I would coach as many times as I could possibly get, 434 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, it was it was It was weird because 435 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 3: I definitely didn't want those guys to have COVID and 436 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: not be there and not coaching team. But I was 437 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 3: obviously really excited for opportunity and I just tried to 438 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: enjoy it and felt really ready and prepared for it. 439 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: And he was, guys, he was a spark plug during 440 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: those timeouts. I got to stick my nose in those 441 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: huddles and he was fired up during those timeouts, which 442 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: was great. What can you tell us about Jamal Mosley. 443 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: You probably know him better than anybody, Jesse, having known 444 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: him as long as you have, and we do, you know, 445 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: we do hope he's in the conversation for Coach of 446 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: the Year because what this team has done and the 447 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: staff included, is just remarkable. Now sitting forth in the 448 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: Eastern Conference, I mean, it's been so long here in 449 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: Central Florida to be in this position. What do you 450 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: can you tell us about the person he is and 451 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: how hard Jamal Mosley works. 452 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in. I don't know how he does it. 453 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 3: I really don't. I really don't know how he does it. 454 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,959 Speaker 3: Because you know, my calling card for my entire coaching 455 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: career has been that I have unlimited energy. I have 456 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 3: tons of positive energy, and that has been like a 457 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 3: separator for me. And this guy blows me out of 458 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 3: the water. I really don't know how he does it. 459 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: He's just, Uh, he's incredibly hard working, and he's incredibly 460 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 3: caring and kind to these players and uh and that 461 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 3: you know that plays out all the time and they 462 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: respond for him because, you know, because he comes with 463 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 3: such a low ego, kind mindset and treats everyone from 464 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: top to bottom wonderfully and and and he's he's backing 465 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 3: it up with the work that he puts in and 466 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 3: what he says he lives up to, and so you know, 467 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 3: it's he's just a big time he's a big time guy, 468 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 3: and he's doing a great job and I'm just happy 469 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: to be along for the ride. 470 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 4: I say the same things I've asked Jamal. One time. 471 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 5: I was like, you're so positive all like I picture. 472 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 5: I picture he just goes home and maybe there's a 473 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 5: there's a rumor's area of his garage where it's just 474 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 5: like holes are punched in the wall or something, because 475 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 5: you just don't see it at any any length. At 476 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 5: any time you come into the office, he's positive. E're 477 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 5: you get in at three in the morning. On the road, 478 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 5: he's positive. Like the guy is just overflowing with positivity, 479 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 5: to the point where I was just like, Hey, this 480 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 5: can't be. 481 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 3: You can't. 482 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 5: There's got to be something where I'm missing. You've got 483 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 5: a punching bag or something at home that you're taking 484 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 5: it out on or or something. 485 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: It's crazy that it's mind muggling. It really is. 486 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 4: It's a metal to having metal music on his way 487 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 4: in it. This is the last thing for me, coach, 488 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 4: and I didn't want to ask you this about Coach 489 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 4: Moseley and the trust that it seems like he has 490 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 4: from one through eighteen on roster, we've seen a handful 491 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 4: of players close games out. I always say on the broadcast, 492 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 4: he's a dance with who brung you type of coach, 493 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,439 Speaker 4: and whoever's got the hot hand or the matchup that 494 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 4: night is gonna finish games. And obviously Paul and Franz 495 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 4: and Jalen are probably gonna be on the floor. But 496 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 4: you know, whether it's Cole or Mo or Joe on 497 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,920 Speaker 4: down the line, whoever is playing well that night likely 498 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 4: is going to close that game out. That's kind of 499 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 4: stokes trust and gets everybody engaged, doesn't it. I mean, 500 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 4: guys show up and they know if if I've got 501 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 4: to go in tonight, I'm going to be on the 502 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 4: floor to close the game out. It just seems to 503 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 4: me like it's you know, there's a lot of sort 504 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 4: of statuses and agendas with players across the league, and 505 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 4: it seems like coach Boseley has figured out a way 506 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 4: and the players as well, who eliminate all of that stuff. 507 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 4: Whoever's got it roll On is going to finish the 508 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 4: game out tonight. 509 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that that kind of is the the end 510 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: result of a ton of work up front to build 511 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: a relationship with each player. Yeah, like this is a 512 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: this is a business, but it's a human business. You know. 513 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 3: To get a group of young individuals who have everything 514 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 3: in this business is telling them to do what's best 515 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 3: for themselves and be individual and and there's a lot 516 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: of reward when you do that. Unfortunately how it's set up. 517 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: And so to get guys to be okay with that 518 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: mentality to do what's best for the team all the time, 519 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: it takes a lot of work and a lot of time, 520 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: and a lot of relationship building and a lot of communication, 521 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: a lot of ups and downs. You know, you you 522 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 3: have to work extremely hard to build that type of 523 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 3: trust and build that type of patience with each guy. 524 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 3: I mean, these are young guys who have a lot 525 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 3: at stake for them family, and so I think it 526 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: goes to you know, just how he treats people and 527 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: and and I think our staff as a whole is 528 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 3: along those lines of just philosophy wise, we really put 529 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 3: the players first, and we really you know, shoot them 530 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 3: straight and I think they they appreciate that. And and 531 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 3: when you have that type of close knit bond with 532 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 3: your players and you're able to tell them when they're 533 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 3: messing up and what needs to be done to win 534 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 3: that game, whether that's sitting on the bench that night 535 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 3: and not closing the game. I think they all believe 536 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 3: and they know that we have their best interests at heart. 537 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 3: And and Mos has really worked his tail off for 538 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 3: them to buy into that, believe that, and accept that. 539 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 3: And so it's all about relationships. It's all about the 540 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: human connection with these guys. And when you have that 541 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 3: in place, then you're able to make those type of decisions. 542 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 3: And you know, the other night, Hollow was wasn't very 543 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 3: good to start the third quarter. Uh, he was turning 544 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 3: it over. He looked, he looked frazzled. You know, I 545 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 3: still think he was stealing. You know, he's still not 546 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: one hundred percent healthy, and it was clear he needed 547 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 3: a reset. You know, we went to the time out. 548 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 3: You know, there's only played for four minutes into that 549 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 3: third quarter, and I remember we went to the time 550 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 3: out and he looked at me mostly and and and 551 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: we were both like, yeah, let's get him out. You know, 552 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 3: he's just he needs a reset, he needs tom he's 553 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 3: not playing well, he's hurting us, and and we'll get 554 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 3: him and we'll get him back in. And he sat 555 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 3: the entire third quarter, which is obviously very unusual to 556 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 3: take your best player out that early and a half. 557 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 3: But to Apollo's credit, he's such a pro and we 558 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: have that trust with him, and we have that relationship 559 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: with him. He came back to start the fourth quarter 560 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 3: and he single handedly destroyed them to start the fourth 561 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 3: and force the double team at the end to allow 562 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 3: Jalen Suggs to hit that three to seal the game 563 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 3: in that Utah game. So you know, that's that's a 564 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 3: lot of a lot of credit to to Mos to 565 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 3: be able to build a relationship and trust with a 566 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: guy like that, To be able to take a guy 567 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,479 Speaker 3: out like that that early and a half, that just 568 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: doesn't happen very much in the NBA. 569 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 4: Let me just add credit to most and his staff, 570 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 4: because if you when you talked to Coach Moseley about it, 571 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 4: the first thing game does is he gives credit to 572 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 4: you guys. I'll try and everybody involved. So but that's 573 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 4: great stuff, Goach. 574 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: You appreciate that that's great. 575 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: And I tell you this to have that human side 576 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: of it. 577 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: You don't. 578 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: It's refreshing because there's all walks of life. You know, 579 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: there's there's humans involved, and you don't hear that that 580 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: it's humans first, And I think that's outstanding thing. 581 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 2: We watched Polo make his NBA debut last. 582 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: Year and I'm working the game with Quentin Richardson and 583 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: we sit in the back and we're, you know, five 584 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: minutes into the game, and he looks at me and 585 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: he goes, Dante, we got a dude. We have a 586 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: dude watched to five minutes of his first NBA game. 587 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: And since you mentioned Polow, just just we'll end with that. 588 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,239 Speaker 1: As Magic fans get excited and as we gear up 589 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: for this playoff Porsch and who knows where this is 590 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: gonna take it, it's just so excited here at Central Florida. 591 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 2: How much does he help having that guy when you. 592 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: Put a game play together and as you think about 593 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: this playoff, Porsche, how incredible is pollow band Carol? 594 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: He's incredible. I've been so fortunate to be around some 595 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 3: big time players in my journey in the NBA. Demarta 596 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 3: Rosen Kyle Lowry, James Harden, Carmelo, Anthony Lebron, James, I mean, 597 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: I've been around the big and he is one of 598 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 3: those big dogs. 599 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 2: That's awesome, a. 600 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 3: Big time player. He is a dude. As Q said, 601 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 3: he's one of those dudes, and Orlando is going to 602 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 3: be very fortunate for a long time. 603 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 2: Good stuff, but we appreciate it. 604 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: Jesse, good luck the rest of the way, and uh, 605 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,959 Speaker 1: we'll try to close this thing out in New York 606 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: and we're excited here the final nineteen best of luck. 607 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 3: Thank you guys, thank you for having me. 608 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 2: Awesome. 609 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: That'll do it for this edition of Magic Pod Squad. 610 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.