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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone Welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about a story that has not really

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Speaker 1: gained much in the headline news this week because of

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Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie, but it should terrify all of us. It's

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Speaker 1: about a secret bio lab that was discovered in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: And we've talked about GLP one drugs over the past

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Speaker 1: couple of years on this show, but there's a really

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Speaker 1: crazy story of a child who injected herself with her

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Speaker 1: mom's GLP one and we'll talk about what happened to

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Speaker 1: her after that happened. A new warning has come out

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Speaker 1: from the Department of Homeland Security alerting authorities that there

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Speaker 1: has been an increase in domestic partner poisoning that may

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Speaker 1: go undertas it may look like it's natural disease. And

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Speaker 1: then we have two crazy medical stories this week. The

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Speaker 1: first is a mother who discovered her child was born

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Speaker 1: with two anuses and that doesn't even sound like a

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Speaker 1: word that you could say together anuses, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And then the second is a baby that survived an

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Speaker 1: abortion procedure. Yes, you heard me right. It is a

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Speaker 1: really outrageous story, probably the craziest case of this week.

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Speaker 1: All that and more on today's episode.

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Speaker 2: All right, so, first, let's get into this secret, secret

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Speaker 2: bio lab that was discovered in Las Vegas. And you're right,

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Speaker 2: there are news articles about this, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: it's really scary.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that. So the scariest part of

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Speaker 1: it really is that it seems to be connected to

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Speaker 1: another case that already happened in a completely different state,

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Speaker 1: in which at that particular case, the person had at

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Speaker 1: least twenty potential in fact agents including HIV, tuberculosis, and

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Speaker 1: the deadliest form of malaria. So I guess the question is,

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Speaker 1: why on earth would it would a human ever have

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Speaker 1: to have a biolab outside of a hospital or diagnostic

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Speaker 1: center or even a research center, Like, why would anybody

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Speaker 2: The whole situation is really weird because it doesn't even

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Speaker 2: It seems like this property was being used and rented

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Speaker 2: out as Airbnb's. They were running individual rooms out and

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Speaker 2: then it seems like what happened is this cleaning person

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Speaker 2: garage was typically locked, and on this specific day she

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Speaker 2: was able to get in there, and afterwards she got

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Speaker 2: really sick, and other people that had stayed on the

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Speaker 2: into this and then they see that this house is

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Speaker 2: owned by the same LLC that was running this lab

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Speaker 2: out of California that got busted for also having hazardous material.

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Speaker 1: You know, every single time you go to an airbnb,

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Speaker 1: there's always like the locked door. Yeah right, Gabe always

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Speaker 1: breaks into them every single time. Maybe don't admit that.

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Speaker 1: He's just so nosy, And I'm like, oh, you found

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Speaker 1: that broom. You really, you really got over on them

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Speaker 1: the extra toilet paper. But but like seriously, like you

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Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, cool,

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Speaker 1: there's a biohood and there's all these drums of this

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Speaker 1: are being cultured. It's just like the weirdest shit ever.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand why anyone would need to have a

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because it's like the lab that got busted

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Speaker 2: saying this lab also had viles containing the names of

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Speaker 2: at least twenty potentially infectious agents, including HIV, tuberculosis, and

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Speaker 1: And it's like the cleaning lady, the handyman, and one

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Speaker 2: Well you say that, but also like it would be

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the scariest part of this world

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But why it's getting so much attention is because

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Speaker 2: it's the beau of us celebrity.

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Speaker 1: So that's exactly so, And I like, I personally don't

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Speaker 2: If this is a regular person, I'd be just as invested.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's exactly like it's it's just a

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Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, and I think for regular people like myself,

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Speaker 2: even aren't they under super crazy security at the CDC

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's some of the ones that the guys

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't want a bola to be spreading around, right,

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Speaker 1: And you can die from it. People get it and

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Speaker 1: you release a biowep in like abola that's going to

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Speaker 2: Well, then you just have to wonder what the motive was.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's absolutely no reason these were in a

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Speaker 2: like I've worked in a microbiology lab. I just can't

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's even more alarming. Where did he get it? Well, exactly,

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Speaker 1: this is just get You can't just get that. He

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Speaker 2: The clean and lady was saying that basically they just

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Speaker 2: So you have to know what you're doing. He might

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Speaker 2: All right, So a seven year old girl had gone

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Speaker 2: feel like it came up from a friend that the

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00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,360
Speaker 2: husband before he died had made a comment like, oh,

435
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 2: I think she's trying to kill me or poison me, right,

436
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: But it's like that wouldn't necessarily be an immediate red flag.

437
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: Obviously he did die, so then when you think about

438
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: he did die in a suspicious manner, and he said

439
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: that you should take it seriously.

440
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: But for example, when I cook dinner every night, I

441
00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: make the same meal and then I give myself a

442
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: smaller portion and I give frigate a bigger portion because

443
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: we eat different portions. So I'll be like, this one

444
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: is yours, and then he goes, what's this the poisoned one?

445
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: And I'm like yeah, but I'm like no, Sometimes I

446
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: give him a bigger portion, or I'll put like, I

447
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 1: don't need anything with soy in it because it makes

448
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: me shit myself. So like sometimes if I make Asian dishes,

449
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: I'll put a soy based sauce on his and a

450
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 1: coconut do Beto's one, I'll mind, you know. But like

451
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: I think when you put it into perspective, I think

452
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,160
Speaker 1: everybody makes jokes like that to scapacity, but then when

453
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: you put it in connection with a person that actually

454
00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: dies in a suspicious case, it definitely should be looked

455
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: at further. Yeah, I mean that case though, I feel

456
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: like the friend in that case had said, I think

457
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 1: she's He had said to his friend, I think she's

458
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: trying to poison me, and he was like serious, he

459
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: wasn't saying it and passing as a joke. And really

460
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: like if you're in a tumultuous relationship with your husband

461
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 1: or your girlfriend or your loved one whatever, like and

462
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 1: they're they're like, oh, you don't feel good, eat this smoothie.

463
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: Make sure you drink all of it. Wouldn't you just

464
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: be like yeah, definitely, Or they just don't think, like us,

465
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Speaker 1: what's that? What's that? That woman that we interviewed about

466
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: the poisoning book what's the name of her book? Because

467
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: that was.

468
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: Really uh oh, that book is what's her name? Lisa,

469
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: The League of Lady Poisoners. That book actually made me

470
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: so paranoid because it's just I feel.

471
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: Like she yeah, and it's a cool it's a cool

472
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: book too, like it looks really cool on your coffee

473
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: table and stuff. But it's beautiful.

474
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: She's an illustrator and she did the whole book. It

475
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: is a gorgeous book, gorgeous coffee table book, but the

476
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: contents are disturbing because she really points out just.

477
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: How easy it is to do. Yeah, that made me

478
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: really uneasy. Yeah, it's true, all right. So a young

479
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: girl was at home doing a handstand when her mother

480
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: noticed something unusual. She had a second anus, yeah, which

481
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: is I was like, was the kid doing a handstand?

482
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: Like naked? How would you notice that your kid had

483
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 1: another butthole? Like, yes, they were naked exactly, but whatever,

484
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: kids are naked sometimes when they're younger. So she I

485
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: guess the kid's doing a handstand, and she was like,

486
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: wait a second, what's happening here? Because there was like

487
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: a one centimeter hole right next to her anus. So

488
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: she brought the kid to the doctor and they figured

489
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: out that this kid has a duplicate anus. It's a

490
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: super rare congenital anomaly that this kid was born with.

491
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: But she has one true that connects to her rectum

492
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: and her large bow, and then she has this other

493
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: one that is a hole essentially with a blind pocket

494
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't attach to anything. So it's something that happens

495
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: when we're developing as a fetus, the same as Catherine

496
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: O'Hara and her citis and versus. That there's two holes

497
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: that are there. And so unfortunately, even though there was

498
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: no pathology with it right now, they do have to

499
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: do surgery to repair it and fix it because in

500
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: the future she could get issues with it like infections, abscesses,

501
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: and even cancer could develop. There's been documented cases of

502
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: that as well. So she she has an anus and

503
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: a little piece of rectum that had to be surgically removed.

504
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 2: I guess, Like my question is if she's old enough

505
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: to do a handstand. Nobody realizes beforehand, Like I don't.

506
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: I don't know because I don't have a baby yet.

507
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 2: But are there are they not analyzed when they're born

508
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: for all their departures. It's something that develops or maybe

509
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: didn't show up. It's always been there, but it could

510
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: have just not been obvious. Yeah, I believe that it

511
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: was more post here.

512
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: They were saying it was but behind. They didn't really

513
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: say the location. They said it was behind her her

514
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: original enis. So I would say that it was most

515
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: post here, so more like up the crack, okay, And

516
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: I could say like when you're you know, they obviously

517
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,439
Speaker 1: they do look when you have the baby, just to

518
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: make sure because you could be born intersex or could

519
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: be all different things that are happening down there, so

520
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: they want to just make sure, you know, the the

521
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: anus is painted and everything like that. But it was

522
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: a perfectly normal duplicate anis and distal rectum. So I

523
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: don't think that there was any pathology. It wasn't connected

524
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: to anything. It's just a blind hole. And they said

525
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: it was only one centimeter big, so it's not anywhere

526
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: near the size of the of the normal anail opening.

527
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: So possibly just wiping because think about it being like

528
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: higher up in the crack, like you might not lift

529
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: the baby's butt up even to look at it. You'd

530
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: have to, like but if the kids do enhan stand

531
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: and spreading her legs, then it's like, wait a second,

532
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: what is that? Yeah, for sure, if it's not causing problems,

533
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: Like listen, it's a very rare anomaly. Some people don't

534
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: realize they have it and told they're grown ups. That's interesting, Yeah,

535
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: it is. It's really interesting, all right.

536
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: Our last one is seriously so upsetting. So this pregnant

537
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: woman was told by her prenatal team, not once, but

538
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 2: twice that her baby had no heartbeat, and she agreed

539
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: to do a surgical abortion, only to find out afterwards

540
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: that the baby was totally fine and luckily survived the procedure.

541
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: I don't even understand this at all, but I read

542
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: all the court documents and it happened like this happened

543
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: and a couple years ago this and I'm gonna tell

544
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: you where it happened, because anybody, this was the woman's

545
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: Health Associates of Southern Nevada and the guy's name was

546
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: doctor Paul. You should never go anywhere near this fricking place. Seriously, like,

547
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I can't even believe that this happened. When we tell

548
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: you what. So, the woman had a miscarriage and she

549
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: got pregnant in the past, she got pregnant again, She

550
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: goes in for her early ultrasound, to which they tell

551
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: her there's no fetal heartbeat. Come back again next week,

552
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: and we'll say now she was early though she was

553
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: five weeks. Now you just went through this, Like, when

554
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: did you hear the baby's heartbeat for the first time? Well,

555
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: I didn't hear it until like fourteen When did they

556
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: see did they say they saw the fluttering for the

557
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: first time. So I was six and a half weeks

558
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: pregnant when they first detected it, but it was very,

559
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: very faint. And I also was going to an iv

560
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: of clinic, which sometimes they have way more advanced machines

561
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: than regular clinics. Okay, So in my opinion, when they

562
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: and see the fetal heartbeat on the first appointment when

563
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: she was five weeks and the second appointment when she

564
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: was six weeks, I don't know in what world they

565
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: would tell her that the fetus had no heartbeat when

566
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: that is that iffy period where you don't always see

567
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: it right away anyway, right. Furthermore, her hCG levels, so

568
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: that's when you take a pregnancy test. Her hCG levels

569
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: were where they were supposed to be and were still rising,

570
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: so there was no indication that she was actively having

571
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: a miscarriage. They called this a missed abortion, which means

572
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: that you are having a miscarriage, but your body hasn't

573
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: even recognized it yet, so it still appears to be

574
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: a pregnancy. But it's not so right there. This was

575
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: completely irresponsible from a diagnostic standpoint. Listen, I don't even

576
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: want to say this out loud, but I'm going to.

577
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: I like, you guys know what I'm about to say.

578
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,479
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine that there were actually women that

579
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: had pregnancies that were viable that they were told were

580
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: not viable and got procedures done because of it, Like

581
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: it makes me want to throw up. Well yeah, just

582
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: because of the way this couldn't have just happened to

583
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: this one woman and not other people. So so she's told, Okay,

584
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: you have a missed abortion, which means these are your options.

585
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: You could either go home and let your body figure

586
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: it out and spontaneously bort at home. You could take

587
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: abortion pills to expedite the process, or you could come

588
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: in for a procedure called the DNC, which is when

589
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: the surgeon the doctor will go in and surgically remove

590
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: the pregnancy. Okay, millions of women go through this all

591
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: the time. She decides because a lot of women don't

592
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: want to go home and wait, because when you know

593
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: that you're pregnant and the baby isn't going to survive,

594
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: you want to get it out of you and try

595
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: to get over the experience and move on with life.

596
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's because it's upsetting.

597
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: Yes, So it's like, you don't want to go home

598
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: and just wait for it to happen because that could

599
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: take weeks. You don't want to take the abortion pill

600
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: at home because a lot of people say that it's

601
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: not pleasant to do at home either. You're just like,

602
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: if oh, I could go have the surgery done, come

603
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: home and it's over with, I'm going to do that.

604
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: That's what I would choose to in that situation. So

605
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: in the meantime, they think that she has some kind

606
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: of infection and gives her doxy cycling I believe, a

607
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,239
Speaker 1: medication which is not indicated to take during pregnancy. So

608
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: they give her They give her a pill that she

609
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: shouldn't even been given as a pregnant woman that she takes.

610
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: She goes home, makes the appointment, goes and gets this

611
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: DNC procedure. So a DNC is when it's a dilation

612
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: and curetage. So they dilate the cervix. They go in

613
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: and they scrape the inside of the cervix or the

614
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: inside of the uterus and scoop out all the inside

615
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: of the endometrial cab. They send that to pathology, and

616
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: in pathology we look at it to see if the

617
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: doctor got it all right, because sometimes pieces could be

618
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: left inside of the woman right. So in pathology we

619
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: look for two things. We look for fetal parts, and

620
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: we also look for the immature placental tissue that's called

621
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: choreonic villai And there also could be decidual tissue, which

622
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: is the layer that grows in between the placenta and

623
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: the uterus. We look for those things. So in pathology

624
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: they didn't see what we call products of conception, which

625
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: would be the fetal parts, the decidual tissue, the choreonic

626
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: villai tissue. They didn't see any of it. At the

627
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: same time, she goes home and feels just feels something's

628
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: not right and decides to go back. She goes back

629
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: and a nurse there gives her an ultrasound and says, oh,

630
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: we didn't get everything, and here's this pill called Cytotech,

631
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: which is going to basically you're gonna go home. It's

632
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: going to induce an abortion. It's gonna induce you to

633
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: expel the rest of that tissue that didn't come out.

634
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: So right there, I don't know what the deal is

635
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: because it said a nurse did the ultrasound, and a

636
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: nurse diagnosed it as being missed. So she goes home

637
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: and is like, you know what, I don't I feel

638
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: like something's wrong. I'm not gonna take this bill, this pill.

639
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to another doctor, another hospital and get

640
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: another opinion. She goes to another hospital. The doctor comes

641
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: in and is like kneels down by her and is like,

642
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: we have to have a discussion. And he says, why

643
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: were you getting a DNC and she said because I

644
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: was told that I was having a missed abortion. And

645
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: he was like, you're actually seven to eight weeks pregnant,

646
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: and your beta HGG which is your pregnancy hormone test,

647
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: is like rising and everything looks fine. You have a

648
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: totally viable, normal looking seven to eight week pregnancy.

649
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: This is so unacceptable on all levels. I this is

650
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: one of those cases that's one hundred percent lawsuit worthy,

651
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,919
Speaker 2: take down this whole place, Like, how was this even

652
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: allowed to happen?

653
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: Well, you know what the scariest part is she so

654
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: not only was this a viable pregnancy, but she has

655
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: this kid at thirty five weeks via c section, and

656
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: this kid's like three years old now and is perfectly

657
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: normal and healthy and very much alive. She can't even

658
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: sue because it all worked out well, nothing like really

659
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: like what could she sue for? It all worked out,

660
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: the kids alive, the kid's healthy.

661
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: Kids, fine, Yeah, but this is general malpractice? Is this

662
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: could have not been fine?

663
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: So this this doctor Paul from Women's Health Associates of

664
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: Southern Nevada. I want to say that again because this

665
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: place should not be able to practice. And I'm sure

666
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: anybody that goes there doesn't even know about this. He

667
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: had to pay a fine of seventy five hundred dollars,

668
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: which is nothing for a physician, and complete ten hours

669
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: of continued meta education or CMEs. Ten hours like I

670
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: could do that tonight and be done by tonight, Like

671
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. That's reading ten articles and like doing a

672
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: quiz like it's out of control.

673
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: I mean, this is not only a major problem in

674
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: this case where this woman wanted this pregnancy, but if

675
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 2: you were going through with this procedure because you did

676
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: not want a pregnancy, it's still botched no matter how

677
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 2: you look at it.

678
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, I'm trying to think of this.

679
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: I understand the first two, okay, the the I understand

680
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: the ultrasounds getting missed and whatever, which is terrible because

681
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: I can't imagine, Like I said, I just can't imagine

682
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: that this has happened to other women and they've went

683
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: and aborted totally like healthy fetuses. Honestly, it's just terrible.

684
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 1: But when he goes and does the DNC, like what

685
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: the hell did he take out? If you're dilating someone's

686
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: cervix and going up there and scraping, like what the

687
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: hell was he doing? Well, that's where I'm getting I

688
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: just don't even understand how that's possible. Thank God, in

689
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: this case, he messed something up, But in another world

690
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: in which she might not have wanted this baby, he's

691
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: still messed something up. So like it's not right no

692
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: matter how you look at it. I even like, now

693
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about it, it's like I even feel

694
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: like at that appointment I went to when I was

695
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: six and a half weeks, they were saying, we're looking

696
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: for it, but like we still might not be able

697
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: to pick it.

698
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I went back the next week they picked

699
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: it up again. Like five weeks is so early. I

700
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 2: went at five weeks. They certainly didn't pick it up

701
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: at five, don't.

702
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: Come to think of it, Now that I'm like really

703
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: thinking about this, I'm pretty sure. So when you're like

704
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: and like, if you guys work in this field, just

705
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure that when

706
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: you're five or six or five six, even early seven weeks,

707
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 1: when you're pregnant and this situation happens, that they would

708
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: actually encourage you to take the abortion pill instead because

709
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: there's a more likely chance of you getting rid of

710
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: the tissue and expelling and the pregnancy smaller so you'll

711
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: have less cramps and things like that. I'm also pretty

712
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: sure that they want you to wait to a certain

713
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: amount of weeks when you get a DNC because it's

714
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: too small, well, because of this rairie situation, So that

715
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: might even just be considered to be malpractice of the

716
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: fact that they were doing a DNC prior to seven weeks,

717
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: but they might I don't know, Like I don't. I

718
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: don't want to put that out there and blanketly say that.

719
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of you that work

720
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: with us, that work in labor and delivery and and

721
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: with OBGYN situation would know way more about this. And

722
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: I also I want to hear from you guys and

723
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: just see like how this is even possible, because it's

724
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: so alarming.

725
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 2: Well, I guess the questions we have leaving this story

726
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: are like, first of all, I feel like I don't

727
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: I haven't heard of anyone, and all the research to

728
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: write my article and all of the pregnancy world I've

729
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 2: been in right now, I don't think I've seen a

730
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 2: case in which anyone's gotten a DNC before ten weeks minimum, right,

731
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: So this was so early. And also I'm wondering, like

732
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 2: in normal pregnancies, you typically don't go until you're a

733
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: little further along, like eight, ten, twelve weeks to your

734
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: first appointment. So was she allowed? Did they want her

735
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 2: to come in so early because of her previous miscarriage

736
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: or what happened because that's unusual to me that she

737
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: went in so early, because most clinics won't even see you.

738
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: And like when she and this is I mean, this

739
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: is the awesome part of this that this is all documented,

740
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: so there's no like lying about it, right, No, Yeah,

741
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: when she went in and was told that there was

742
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: no heartbeat on ultrasound, her HGG level was ninety seven thousand,

743
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: which on a chart in a normal pregnancy would put

744
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: you between seven to ten weeks of pregnancy, right, so

745
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: like they knew they probably it is possible that they

746
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: thought that she was further along than she was, which

747
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: is which is part of the problem when a woman

748
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: goes to the doctor, because you could say you're LMP

749
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but like it's it's not really

750
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: exactly for you. It's exact because you had IVF and

751
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: everybody knows the second you got pregnant. But like when

752
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: you're a person that's having sex and you don't really

753
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: know and maybe you miss your period, like it's all

754
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: it's all a guessing game, so you have to estimate

755
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: it based upon your last mentro period. If they looked

756
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: at the HGG level and saw that it was ninety

757
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: seven thousand, which would put you around seven to ten

758
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: weeks of pregnancy. Then around that time you should see

759
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 1: a heartbeat on ultrasound, and it's possible that they didn't

760
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: realize that she was only five to six weeks. That

761
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that I could think that they

762
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: were like dead set that she was that amount and

763
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: that's why they were they said, you know, you're too

764
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: far how long you should see a heartbeat at this point.

765
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: I just think this is so irresponsible on all levels.

766
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: But even when you get it, So when you get

767
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: a DNC procedure, I would think that prior to getting

768
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,800
Speaker 1: the procedure, they would give you a pregnancy test and

769
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: check your levels. And I guess my question is with

770
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: those levels, I feel like those levels would not still

771
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: be elevated that high if she was actually having a

772
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: missed abortion. But I'm not one hundred percent sure. I'm

773
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: just talking out loud, yeah, or thinking out loud, so

774
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: so yeah.

775
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: I don't think her levels were being monitored in addition

776
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: to this.

777
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: No, they were. That was that was the problem that

778
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: they didn't follow protocol, And no, they absolutely were. They

779
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: just weren't following protocol as far as like normally, when

780
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: you're doing the ultrasound, you would look and say, oh, no,

781
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: there's not a heartbeat. Well, let's look and see if

782
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: her levels are dropping, like her levels were consistently rising

783
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: like chemically according to her blood work. Her pregnancy was

784
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: totally normal and looking fine, and they should have they

785
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: really should have been alarmed to be like, well, why

786
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: does that look fine and the ultrasound doesn't look fine?

787
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: Well, she did sue them. They of course denied any wrongdoing,

788
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: but they did end up settling, so she got something

789
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 2: out of it. I mean, they should be in trouble.

790
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: And then this article basically closed up with doctor Paul

791
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: now works primarily in an administrative role.

792
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: Well that's that's nice, but he shouldn't work there at all,

793
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 1: and I would question any practice that would even employ

794
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: this person. But really, there's other things that I saw

795
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: in the paperwork too, about the nurse reading the ultrasound

796
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: and saying like, did they have a doctor following up?

797
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: Because I'm pretty sure a nurse can't diagnose something like that.

798
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: Maybe they can, I don't know, but can a nurse?

799
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: Can a nurse do an ultrasound and diagnose, oh, you

800
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 1: have retained products? Of conception and then give her cytotech

801
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: and send her home without anybody else looking at that. Yeah,

802
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: unless it was the nurse practitioner or something.

803
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: I can't speak to that because like I go to

804
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 2: I don't go to a normal OBI office. I go

805
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: to maternal fetal medicine and there's an ultrasound tech and

806
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: then I meet with the doctor after, but the ultrasound

807
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: techs are not allowed to say anything. Yeah, like the

808
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: doctor has to read it after.

809
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just it's so it's so scary and just think,

810
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: like I just don't I don't even want to think

811
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: about that because you're a person that has no idea

812
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: about medicine and trusting every single thing the doctor tells you.

813
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: Like this story would make me be like, you know what,

814
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: every single person listening to us right now, like maybe

815
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: get another console just to make sure I don't know, Like.

816
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, absolutely, I mean that's a really serious thing

817
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 2: that they have to that they tell you you have

818
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: determined it the pregnancy, especially if you want it, so

819
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: like definitely get a second opinion, especially if you don't

820
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: feel right and you don't trust people at the office.

821
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like if they say that and then it's

822
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: like your blood work is just not compatible with that,

823
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: Like it all signs point to yes, I don't know,

824
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: it's different, you know, but this was this is so bad.

825
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: I just don't think the average woman would even know

826
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: that that they're being monitored in all these different kinds

827
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: of ways. Oh, you have blood work and the ultrasound

828
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: and the L and P like you know, like I mean,

829
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: it's good to be in tune with your body and

830
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: know what's supposed to happen at your appointments. But this,

831
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: this is just like out of control. And she could

832
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: have sued just because she did have a surgical procedure

833
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: done that was not medically warranted. Like there could have

834
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: been a way that they went around that, because a

835
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: lot of times we hear all of these terrible stories

836
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: about people suing and not being able to get compensated

837
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: because the outcome was good even though there was a

838
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: lot of mental anguish along the way, you know.

839
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