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Speaker 1: Podcast starts. Now, what's up everyone around the globe? And

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Speaker 1: you are listening to Stradia Lab.

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Speaker 2: And we are coming at you live from that's right,

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Speaker 2: the city of Angels, Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 2: And also, this is the last stop of our tour,

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Speaker 2: so we're no longer going to promote it because guess what,

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Speaker 2: if you're listening to this at this point, you fully

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Speaker 2: missed it. So better luck next time, sweetheart, because it's

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Speaker 2: going to be a few months until we're ready to

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Speaker 2: go on to it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to go ahead and say maybe even

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Speaker 1: up to a year or two, because.

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Speaker 2: No, you're addicted to tour. I don't think. I think

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Speaker 2: you're not letting on how much you actually surprise yourself

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Speaker 2: with how much you enjoyed traveling around the globe.

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Speaker 1: Hm, how much did I enjoy travel around the globe?

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Speaker 1: I think, on the one hand, I enjoyed it. I

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Speaker 1: enjoyed It's okay, we have to talk about the Pacific Northwest.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the number one thing is that we decided.

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Speaker 2: First of all, we went to Seattle and you said,

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Speaker 2: you know, you can't see if for not watching video,

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Speaker 2: But you said, my world was this, and you made

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Speaker 2: a small gesture. And now my world is this, and

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Speaker 2: you made a large gesture.

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Speaker 1: Because I went to Seattle. My world got so much

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Speaker 1: larger in a way that is bad, because you think, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I know the world, and this is you can I

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Speaker 1: can live in New York or maybe upstate New York.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm seeing Seattle and I'm saying, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: they have a whole different way of life that's potentially

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Speaker 1: better than ours.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing with the Pacific Northwest is that they

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Speaker 2: don't think of nature as this sick, freaky thing that

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Speaker 2: It's even part of their daily life.

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Speaker 1: They don't have to choose. They've taken the city, country

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Speaker 2: It really is incredible and like not to it is

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Speaker 2: a GBTQ plus that way where in one walk, I

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Speaker 2: mean someone literally told us sometimes in Seattle, a walk

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Speaker 1: He twisted his leg on a hike that started out

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Speaker 2: He was this is not some joke. He was on

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Speaker 2: he was using crutches and make it qual what happened?

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Speaker 2: He was like, why was on a walk that turned

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Speaker 1: Also, you have to the way that people in Seattle specifically,

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Speaker 1: I can never tell if it's exciting or not to

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Speaker 1: sort of recap cities vibes, but the way the people

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Speaker 1: in Seattle will literally be like, yeah, Alison Chains used

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Speaker 2: Well, we realized that the Pacific Northwest. You were on

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Speaker 2: a mission basically to find out where indie rock is

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Speaker 2: Sweetheart and walking and hiking count as the spirit of

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Speaker 1: I mean, even the way that we were like sitting

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Speaker 2: Also the way people it's like these things that you

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Speaker 2: Seattle is like, oh, I read that in the Alt

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Speaker 2: don't know any of those things still existed.

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Speaker 1: Yah, I'm like, who allowed you to have your own culture?

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Speaker 2: We realize that like in New York, everyone is everyone

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Speaker 2: is du a liipa. There's no middle class of performer.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're either do a lipa or your bloomberg or

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting about now being in LA after

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought this up because I feel

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, huh, I do not feel that way.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel that way.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, to be fair, the one thing I've

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Speaker 1: I went yesterday. I was to get other days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just like, you know, coming from the Pacific Northwest,

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Speaker 2: you feel the culture even more than coming from New York.

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Speaker 2: You're like, you guys need to go on a hike

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Speaker 2: and not an LA hike. You need to go into

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Speaker 1: That's true actually, But.

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Speaker 2: At the same time, I love all our Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: it has not changed their personality they moved here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all the personalities are one intact. No one is damaged,

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Speaker 2: No one needs to move back to New York for

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Power corrupts absolutely except here.

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Speaker 2: Well, also, do you feel like we in no way

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Speaker 2: in fact both of us have never read a newspaper

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Speaker 2: in our lives. But just for the shake of what

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Speaker 2: I'm about to say in terms of the strikes, there's

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Speaker 2: a way in which I entered in La La and

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Speaker 1: Do you not feel that at all?

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Speaker 2: I'm so aware of when I'm walking around, I'm like

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Speaker 1: Fuck all of you.

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Speaker 2: You're the reason I'm a touring podcaster.

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Speaker 1: Now, I didn't feel that at all. What did I feel?

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Speaker 1: I was just sort of like you were literally just

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Speaker 1: like happy to be here. I was literally happy to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been more like everyone's so chill, but that's

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Speaker 1: neither here.

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Speaker 2: It is so vital that we bring in our guests.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say the same thing. It's so

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Speaker 1: important with everything going on with the strikes to bring

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Speaker 1: in our guest.

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Speaker 2: Our guest is in a plethora of projects that you

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Speaker 2: cannot talk about and also has a podcast that you

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Speaker 2: can talk about. So please welcome Vanessa Bayer.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me here.

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Speaker 2: Vanessa. We need all your thoughts on everything that has

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Speaker 2: been said and take well.

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Speaker 4: I want to back up to before this podcast even started,

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Speaker 4: because we sat down.

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Speaker 3: Did you say nary nary a few minutes ago?

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Speaker 4: No, you said something else that really made me laugh

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Speaker 3: But we sat down.

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Speaker 2: He was really into speaking old timey love.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: You said something that surprised me, but I thought it

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Speaker 1: Hmmm, So I wish I could think.

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Speaker 3: Of it anyways. It was a short word, but okay,

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Speaker 4: I want to say that before we started this podcast,

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Speaker 4: and I have felt bad about it for your entire interro,

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Speaker 4: which is I said, have we ever met before? Which

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Speaker 4: is so rude because it's me assuming that like I

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Speaker 4: it's so like get a grip Vanessa, and I want

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Speaker 4: to apologize for doing that.

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Speaker 3: And I really have.

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Speaker 4: Been thinking about it, and I don't think any of

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Speaker 4: us have ever met before, even though that's surprising because

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Speaker 2: And can I actually come clean about something? Yes, I replied,

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Speaker 2: I think we may have met at a mutual friend

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Speaker 3: Met there, No, because I don't think that I really

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Speaker 2: I was literally like, just say and it just like

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Speaker 4: That's so funny because as soon as I asked you that,

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't take it as you thinking you're hot shit?

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Speaker 3: That is the way to be, like, have we met?

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Speaker 2: I actually felt you were being humble. You were.

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Speaker 4: It was actually literally because I was like, we must

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Speaker 3: How have we never met before?

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Speaker 2: That's how I took it.

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Speaker 4: But then as I thought about it, like as soon

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Speaker 3: Came in here all high and mighty, going have we met?

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Speaker 3: And that's the worst. And also if we had met before,

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Speaker 2: Right to write yeah, I guess there is really no

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Speaker 4: I could have just gone it's it's great to see

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Speaker 4: great to see you.

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Speaker 2: That's well, you know, how's your mom?

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Speaker 1: I also want to say I personally loved that question

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Speaker 1: I want to say yes, and he was like how

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Speaker 2: The worst the worst thing I could say is no,

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Speaker 2: because then there's no follow up. It's like how he met?

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Speaker 2: Nor because what am I going to do?

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Speaker 2: Like no? But but do you know right right? It's

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Speaker 4: That I you know, I now I'm playing ketchup of

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Speaker 3: Let's just unassuming, little stupid walking around and they can

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Speaker 2: But you both weapons.

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Speaker 2: We weaponize It's not like, of course you're not unassuming.

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Speaker 2: If people think you're lost or think you are I

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Speaker 3: wouldn't take me seriously. I'd be like, like when I

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Speaker 3: had leukemia at fifteen, and then people would like shut

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Speaker 3: the fuck up, like I was on top again. But

445
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Speaker 3: in general, it seems like you guys are.

446
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Speaker 2: Serious thing we should lie about.

447
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,920
Speaker 3: Well, I really did. I really did show.

448
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Speaker 4: But I think like in general, you're right, like people

449
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,040
Speaker 4: people wouldn't take a like so you'd have to have

450
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Speaker 4: some kind of like big tragedy that you could reference.

451
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Speaker 2: I mean, well, being gay, yeah, right, of course, one

452
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Speaker 2: of the worst things your sort of story about having

453
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Speaker 2: a life threatening illness is being gay. I mean, there

454
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Speaker 2: were two.

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Speaker 1: People that I was close to in my life that

456
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Speaker 1: when I came out of the closet, they were like

457
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Speaker 1: ha ha, like.

458
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Speaker 2: Okay, so interesting. See. I often have the opposite problem.

459
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Speaker 2: I mean, when I'm about to say is going to

460
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Speaker 2: make it sound like maybe I'm not a very good comedian,

461
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 2: But I the opposite problem where sometimes I'm being very

462
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Speaker 2: clearly sarcastic and people think I'm serious. It's like they

463
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 2: don't accept that I'm joking. I'm like, I am a

464
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Speaker 2: gesture too, just because I look like this.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of how you could weaponize your

466
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Speaker 4: characteristics in the opposite.

467
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Speaker 2: Way of I think I've weaponized them. I think sometimes

468
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Speaker 2: people will think I think sometimes people will think I'm

469
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 2: smarter than actually And so.

470
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Speaker 1: You should see this guy on the sort of a

471
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Speaker 1: business theme.

472
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Speaker 3: So interesting you see.

473
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Speaker 1: This guy in academia, even the way that he can

474
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Speaker 1: sort of weaponize.

475
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Speaker 2: The I can I can coach.

476
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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

477
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Speaker 2: And I were on a call, this is many years ago,

478
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Speaker 2: on a call where someone was asking us to do

479
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Speaker 2: something for truly like twenty dollars, and I was and

480
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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, it's my time to shine. And

481
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Speaker 2: I was like, never in my life have been have

482
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Speaker 2: I been treated this way? And then she, the person

483
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Speaker 2: we were on the phone with, said the word exposure.

484
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Speaker 2: She was like, well, it would be a good exposure.

485
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Speaker 2: I was like, exposure. Are you serious in this in

486
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, You're talking about exposure like I And I

487
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 2: was truly and and sure enough, yeah, I guess we

488
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Speaker 2: never did that or got paid anything.

489
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Speaker 1: So it was actually it worked out perfectly.

490
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Speaker 2: It worked out perfectly. I do do you sometimes wonder

491
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Speaker 2: if because of that phone call we are blacklisted's somewhere.

492
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Speaker 1: No, because that woman had no power anyway, I don't know.

493
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Speaker 2: Well, that show never came out, so it was and

494
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Speaker 2: l that woman was Lorde Michaels in a wig, just kidding.

495
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I think we both are able to let.

496
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Speaker 3: You're able to weaponize.

497
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love when Georgia gets that way. I

498
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 1: literally just like I basically put the phone on speaker

499
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Speaker 1: and I start like doing the dishes. I'm like, I'm out, like,

500
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Speaker 1: have fun out there, buddy, I'm going to hide.

501
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 3: It's fine.

502
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Speaker 4: It's like, what a what a powerful duo you are

503
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 4: that you have like different you know, one plays this role,

504
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Speaker 4: the other plays this role.

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Speaker 3: In between the two of you here we are.

506
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Speaker 2: Well, I do think what you're saying is so we've

507
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: noticed this a lot as we've been traveling together, where

508
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: sometimes we are complimentary in a way where it's like, oh,

509
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Speaker 2: we can do anything. It's like someone says something and

510
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: we're both there and we both immediately know which one

511
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Speaker 2: should be the one to respond to that specific thing.

512
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Speaker 4: And also probably people are drawn to one of you

513
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 4: because they see themselves or they see the opposite of

514
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 4: themselves in one of you, and they and they and

515
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Speaker 4: I'm not picking right now, I'm.

516
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Speaker 2: Waiting to decide, but we know you're a Sam.

517
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Speaker 3: But like they like, I'm sure, like, yeah, all you

518
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Speaker 3: need is it's it's like you're covering so much ground

519
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Speaker 3: between the two of you that like somebody, anyone is

520
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 3: going to find like something.

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00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: Well, we represent the melting pot of America. Yeah, that's right.

522
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: In this nation. You're either a Sam or you're George,

523
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Speaker 1: and that's it. I have to ask, Now, does your

524
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Speaker 1: brother do you guys have Is he your brother or

525
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Speaker 1: podcast co host? First?

526
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Speaker 2: Let's start there.

527
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Speaker 4: Wow, that's really hard because we have dedicated a live

528
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Speaker 4: star podcast. But I guess I would say he's my

529
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Speaker 4: brother first, but then really close after that he is

530
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Speaker 4: my podcast co host.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think once he's podcast co host first, those

532
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Speaker 1: sponsorships will just start pouring.

533
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

534
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Speaker 4: I want to say again, we're happy to sponsor any

535
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Speaker 4: brand that's interested.

536
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Speaker 2: I have to say, I am so jealous of you

537
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 2: that you get to do a podcast with. To be clear,

538
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: I am podcast wise, there's no one else relative podcast wise,

539
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: there's no one else I'd rather do a podcast with,

540
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 2: but the idea of working with I'm very close with

541
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Speaker 2: my sisters, but they just like are obsessed with having

542
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Speaker 2: different careers than me and refuse to give them up. Yeah,

543
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Speaker 2: and I've like my biggest like when Amy Schumer sister

544
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: started being her Kim, thank you, and that's important actually

545
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: that we make space for Kim. And I'm sorry, of course,

546
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Speaker 2: have I.

547
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Speaker 1: Met Kim.

548
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: And Kim's like I think maybe we met, but truly

549
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: I was like, God, I would love like the fact

550
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: that a that they get to be to It's so nice.

551
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 2: And I'm like, why can't my sister quit medical school

552
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: so you can work for me? I know? Yeah.

553
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Speaker 4: Well it's also interesting because my brother is was a

554
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Speaker 4: music journalist. He interviewed all these bands for years and

555
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 4: now he's become a mental health counselor. So he's so

556
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: good at interviewing and talking to people in like a

557
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: thoughtful way, whereas I'm just like, hey, what aren't we

558
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 4: talking about?

559
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 3: Let's talk about me, you know, And so it's a

560
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: good mix.

561
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Speaker 1: Yeah, That's what I was going to ask, is what

562
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Speaker 1: the what the binary was in your Yeah, dynamic.

563
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Speaker 2: Well, count your blessings. You people would kill it. I

564
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Speaker 2: have what you have? Should we do our first segment?

565
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: I think we should, all right, and I'm going to

566
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: walk over to my phone.

567
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: Of course, So Vanessa, our first segment, this is, of course,

568
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 2: as everyone knows, a podcast about straight culture. Our first

569
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: segment is called straight Shooters. And in this segment, we

570
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: test your familiarity with in complicity and straight culture by

571
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: asking you a series of rapid fire questions where it's

572
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: this thing or the other thing, okay. And the one

573
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 2: rule is you can't ask any follow up questions about

574
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: how the game works. If you're confused, sit with that, okay.

575
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: And if you do ask any followup questions, we're going

576
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 2: to get mad. You think we're being nice, but we

577
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: can get mad. As discussed, but I will.

578
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Speaker 1: You will.

579
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Speaker 3: You'll scare me so much.

580
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Speaker 2: Okay, Vanessa. Putting flax seed in your granola or taking

581
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Speaker 2: the back seat in the corolla.

582
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Speaker 3: Putting flax seed in your.

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00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: Goanaa okay, Vanessa. Gentrifying a neighborhood or petrifying a piece

584
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Speaker 1: of wood.

585
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 3: Beterrifying a piece of wood.

586
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: Only murders in the building are only losers.

587
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: At the Shindig, only losers at the Shindig.

588
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: Okay, being lost to the sands of time, or peeing

589
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: lots due to all the wine.

590
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 2: Oh, that's good.

591
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: Ping lots do all the wine, okay.

592
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: Graduating first at Harvard Law, or having an unquenchable thirst

593
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: for canned white claw m m.

594
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: Graduating first at Harvard Law.

595
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: Okay, knowing you're worth or forgetting your date of birth.

596
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 3: Hmm, that's a tough one. Knowing you're worth.

597
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: Okay, having an illicit affair with your boss, or having

598
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: stunning red hair like Marsha.

599
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 3: Cross having stunning red hair like Marsha.

600
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Speaker 1: Have to okay, talking the talk, walking the walk, or

601
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: chalking the chalk outline of a murder victim.

602
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 4: God, I want to say talking the chalk out line

603
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 4: of a murdered victim, but I think I have to

604
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 4: say talking the talk.

605
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

606
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay. So we give each of our guests, we

607
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: give them a rating from zero to one thousand doves.

608
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: I have to say, and I have a reason for this.

609
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 2: I think that was maybe a perfect score.

610
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: I think so too. Actually, that's what I was gonna say.

611
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: So here's my reasoning. Yeah, you started out doing the

612
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 2: like whispery thing.

613
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that.

614
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: Then you went to normal volume okay, and then there

615
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: was a grand finale where you didn't even know it

616
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: was last one, but for the last one you did

617
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: a little explanation of I was going to say this,

618
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 2: but then I said this, and that to me is

619
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: very much like it is the arc of a of

620
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: a concept album, like a music concept album. It was

621
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Speaker 2: about like rebirth, Well, it's am on and it is

622
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: about coming of age.

623
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

624
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: Of course you went from a quiet little girl yeah,

625
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: to an empowered woman in the span of I want

626
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 2: to say forty five seconds.

627
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, Oh, thank you so much. I don't.

628
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Speaker 4: I don't think this is a coincidence, but it's actually

629
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Speaker 4: be No. I was going to say, it's about to

630
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Speaker 4: be the Jewish New Year, and I think I'm at

631
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Speaker 4: my best. And I hope that putting a timestamp on

632
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 4: this doesn't mess up the fact that you are, you know,

633
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 4: doing several podcasts.

634
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Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, thank you for it is

635
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: truly h Russia Shanta as we speak, Yeah, thank you

636
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: for taking time out day to do a gay podcast. Shantatva.

637
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Well, should we get into our topic.

638
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 2: I think so I'm so excited actually to talk about

639
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: this topic.

640
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna be huge.

641
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So, Vanessa, we would love to know what your

642
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: straight topic is that you brought today and maybe a

643
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: little bit about what you think is straight about it.

644
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Speaker 4: My topic is planning your output for the first day

645
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: of school. And the reason that I think it's very

646
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 4: straight is because there is this idea, at least that

647
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: I always had planning my output for the first day

648
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 4: of school, that whatever I would wear on the first

649
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 4: day would be so impactful to my fellow classmates that

650
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: it would it would turn me into like the exact

651
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 4: student that I wanted to be, and I probably shouldn't

652
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,719
Speaker 4: have said the exact person I wanted to be, and

653
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: that I would be so beloved and everyone would want

654
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 4: to be my friend or have a crush on me,

655
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 4: and that I was just reinventing myself just out of

656
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 4: an outfit that I can't imagine was.

657
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 3: Cool in any way looking back on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is such a genius topic because

659
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: one it's like as a child to so clearly recognize

660
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: the social hierarchy of like your peers is I think

661
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: like one of the straightest things because it's also the

662
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: goal is like how do I assimilate but like a

663
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Speaker 1: little bit better, Like I need to play with the

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Speaker 1: power structures that exist already, but be like within them,

665
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: but at the top of them, and like not too

666
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: far because that's bad.

667
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

668
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this little dance of like how do I

669
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: be normal but the best normal there is?

670
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: Yes, this is something people don't talk about in terms

671
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: of high school archetypes. Is like, actually, most people don't

672
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: want to be the popular girl. They just want to

673
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: be like the third most part. Like they want to

674
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: be in the upper echelon. They don't want the responsibility

675
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: of being head cheerleader or football capitals.

676
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: Right.

677
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: They want to be in the like Hollywood Hills of school. Yes, yes,

678
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: they want to live in the gated community, but be

679
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: like middle class in that within that gated community.

680
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

681
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to be popular and yet someone who's

682
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 4: known for volunteers exactly.

683
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: And that's actually the straightest thing of all because it's

684
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: almost like to want to be number one is pretty gay.

685
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, so you want to be a star,

686
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: a star, you want to be.

687
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: A pop star, you want to be you want to

688
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: be latey gagas.

689
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: And then of course being not in the popular crowd

690
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: is also gay because you're oppressed, and so basically the

691
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: straightest thing is being I mean, it's sort of being

692
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: like the upper middle class brunch liberal, like you're sort

693
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: of like, well, I'm not. It's not my fault that

694
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 2: there is a click problem at this school. I just

695
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 2: have my own friend group.

696
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: My hands are tied.

697
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: My hands are tied, and you have blood on your hands.

698
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: They might be tied, but there's blood in them.

699
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: Right right, right, yeah, you hold this sis, it's to

700
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: untie them.

701
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 2: So what not to put you on the spot? What

702
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: kind of outfits are we talking?

703
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: Like?

704
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: What image did you want?

705
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 1: Do you have one?

706
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: Felt like you put in the rest of these?

707
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: I had this.

708
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 4: I had this seventeen magazine, I remember that I had.

709
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: I didn't subscribe to seventeen magazine, but I had this

710
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 4: one seventeen magazine, and I had this whole article about

711
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 4: this girl planning her outfit for the first day of school,

712
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 4: maybe teen, planning her out for the first day of school.

713
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 4: And I would read it every year, like in middle

714
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 4: school before I would plan as I would plan my

715
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 4: outfit before the school year started, and always what I

716
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: would come to would be some version of.

717
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: Doc Martin's.

718
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: Because my brother, my older Jonah, who's two years older

719
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: than me, he had Martins. It would be like I

720
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 4: had Doc Martins, because it would be like Doc Martins,

721
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: but like with something sort of like floral, so that

722
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: I looked sort of edgy but also sweet. And it

723
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 4: was crazy how I in my mind put myself through,

724
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: like what does this say about me?

725
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: What does that say about me? When you know it?

726
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 3: That is no one noticed, like no one probably cared

727
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: that much.

728
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: But huh, and what was your normal day to day? Like,

729
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 2: let's say, not for like just a random Dane February.

730
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: What are we talking?

731
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember. I don't think I had a

732
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: very unique style.

733
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: I think because Doc Martins and flowery, that to me

734
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: gives like riot girl, that's kind.

735
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: Of she she you look someone that knows who they are. Yeah.

736
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: It's very punk rock.

737
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's like the version I was doing of

738
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 4: it was very subdued.

739
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: I see, ye.

740
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 4: But I also think like that was just first day

741
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 4: of school, and then every day after that it was like,

742
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 4: you know, like a waffle knit long sleeve shirt from

743
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 4: the gap with jeans or something like that.

744
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

745
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: The way that I was always trying to brand in school.

746
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: Like I remember being in eighth grade and having like

747
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: one graphic tea that had like like some animal on it,

748
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: and that was like it was like, Okay, I'm gonna

749
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: wear this same graphic tea every Tuesday, and it's gonna

750
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: be like my thing that my like classmates will know about,

751
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, it's Tuesday, Sam's wearing the shirt.

752
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: It's so funny. God, this is actually.

753
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: I actually forgot about it until right.

754
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: This moment so important, which is I mean, this was

755
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: to want to be known for something. I was to

756
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: have a nickname, like truly, I can't even remember, Like

757
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: I would just be like, oh, people are calling me Twister.

758
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: Spread it around, people are calling me Twister, Like I

759
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: just that's how. But I'm just like I just was

760
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 2: so desperate to something. I always felt like I was

761
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: so just like a guy.

762
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: Well because I think there's almost like because it's such

763
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: an ocean of like where do you want to fit in?

764
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: Where do you want to fit in? Yeah, there's something

765
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: about being like no, no, no, I'm choosing this Slane. Yeah,

766
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: like actually, I'm gonna stop chasing. This is my thing,

767
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: and everyone's gonna know this is my thing, and they're

768
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: gonna love that about me.

769
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: I went through a phase where I thought my thing

770
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: would be bright colored corduroys, and so I bought a

771
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: bunch of brightly colored corduroys.

772
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: I had a like orange and yellow phase where I

773
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: was like, I'm only gonna wear orange and yellow.

774
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: The graphic tea, the promise of a graphic tea. How actually,

775
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 2: graphic t is a great barometer of cool because you

776
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: actually have to exude cool to look cool in a

777
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: graphic tea, and otherwise you do look nerdy. Yeah. I

778
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: remember one time I bought this, like truly probably from

779
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: like Urban Outfitters, a T shirt that had like the

780
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 2: teenage mutant Ninja turtles on it, and in my mind,

781
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 2: I was like, well, that'd be a cool thing, Like

782
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: if someone cool were that with like ripped jeans, it

783
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: would be like a sort of fun look in like

784
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. And I looked so stupid.

785
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like I was. I really was discovering

786
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: what my style was.

787
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 4: I I I got into limited To, which was a

788
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 4: lot of.

789
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: Like long necklaces and beads.

790
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it was just it was like expense, yeah,

791
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 4: except except it would be like a spaghetti strap shirt

792
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 4: over a long sleep, you.

793
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 2: Know what I mean.

794
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 3: It was uh, never got never cool enough to just

795
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: skirt over jeans.

796
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 4: But then it got to like when I was getting

797
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 4: you know, to seventh eighth grade, it started turned into

798
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: like we got a bin in a republic at the

799
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 4: mall and if you could afford it, although sometimes they

800
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 4: would go on sale those super thin long sleeve shirts

801
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 4: that sometimes they had like you know, sometimes it was

802
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 4: like a Henley or I remember getting like one that

803
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 4: had like just like some stripes across that like across

804
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 4: like the chest part.

805
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: Like I just.

806
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: Remember being like these thin shirts are like gold.

807
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, like the thinner the shirt not revealing, but like, yeah,

808
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 4: the thinner the shirt the closer to God in terms

809
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 4: of like wow, like it's so sophisticated to have totally

810
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 4: such a thin T shirt.

811
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: Wow, it's so Dressing in high school is such a

812
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: there's a misunderstanding of the chicken or the egg where

813
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: you think, if you put on the cool clothes, you

814
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: will be cool. But that's not what makes the cool

815
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: kids cool. The cool kids are cool, and that's why

816
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: they know it.

817
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: I don't think the cool kids are inherently cool. I'd say,

818
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: what makes the cool.

819
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: Kids not inherently cool? But like, but do you think

820
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 2: you can? Sorry, go ahead, Well, what I was gonna say.

821
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: Is the key was being rich. Oh interesting, that was

822
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: what actually made the cool kids cool. And that's what

823
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: I think of the clothes cools, because they were like

824
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: buying the nicer clothes.

825
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: So that was not the case. So when I lived

826
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: to catch you up Ice our listeners, our listeners now,

827
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 2: I when I was in like i'ment Trim Middle Schueler

828
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 2: in New Jersey, and then my family, who's Greek, moved

829
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: back to Greece when I was in high school, so

830
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: I had very different Okay, So in New Jersey I

831
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: felt like it was not related to class like the

832
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 2: cool kids, it was purely attractiveness level. Like the cool

833
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: guys were like hot and played sports. The cool girls

834
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: were like hot and war and just like looked cool

835
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: and had great hair. In Greece, I felt like suddenly

836
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: everything shifted where the rich kids were cool. And that

837
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: was to me for the longest time, which is so

838
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: silly to think about now. I was like, wow, America

839
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 2: is a meritocratic because because it is just about how

840
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: attractive you are.

841
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 1: What a beautiful country.

842
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: I was really like, wow, Greece is so fucked up,

843
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: Like you have to be rich to be cool.

844
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: I feel like.

845
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 4: In my school it wasn't necessarily. I went to sort

846
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 4: of like an upper middle class, you know, that was

847
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 4: what our neighborhood was, and like I felt like it

848
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 4: was a real mix of who.

849
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: Had money and who didn't who was cool because.

850
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 4: There was like my school I went to since I

851
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: was I went from preschool to senior year, like the

852
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 4: same school district, and I felt like people as young

853
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 4: as I'm gonna call it third grade kind of established

854
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 4: if they were cool or not. Yeah, and then like

855
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 4: you could sort of shift in or out of that.

856
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 4: But like you, you, it was sort of established so

857
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 4: early that it had less to do.

858
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: And because sometimes I would like, you know you, if

859
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: you looked just objectively at like who was cool and

860
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: who wasn't, you'd go like, really, like is that who made?

861
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: Who decided this? But and no burn to anyone, but

862
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: I guess I'm but I guess I'm burning everyone. But

863
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 3: it sort of was like you just it was.

864
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 4: It was like no rhyme or reason, but it's like

865
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: it was decided and that's forever.

866
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 2: You're so right, And I actually think that's an important Yeah,

867
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 2: that's such an important part of the puzzle that sometimes

868
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: it's actually grandfathered in because you just were cool in

869
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: second grade. It doesn't matter how yes, you develop yes,

870
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: like and it's just your grandfather did in.

871
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: Your grandfathered in.

872
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 4: And which is why I think the dream was always

873
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 4: so many teen romantic comedies where somebody gets who's not

874
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 4: grandfathered in, who's actually not in the popular group, somehow

875
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 4: they become really hot in high school and somehow they

876
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 4: start dating someone who is in the popular group and

877
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 4: they become popular, and it's like that's everybody's dream.

878
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: That's like this, that's the promise of the first school,

879
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: that's the promise of the first day of school outfit.

880
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: And in fact, okay, not to continue my metaphor of

881
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: the upper class of high school being the sort of bourgeoisie,

882
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: but to me, it's like you are like nouveau reach.

883
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: You're like you're like the you're like the woman with

884
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: the flashy Louisvtan purse, but the real rich women know

885
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 2: you're not on their level.

886
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,240
Speaker 3: Right, right, right exactly exactly.

887
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: You get in to it from recently being hot exactly.

888
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: The people are almost like, yeah, she's popular but not.

889
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: Popular, and second grade are like the old money.

890
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: Exact exactly, that's what it. Yes, this is genius. Yeah,

891
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: it's like the old Moneys, people who have been popular

892
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: since second grade. New money as people who you know,

893
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't want to be vulgar, but it's

894
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: like you know, girls who like come back in the

895
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: summer and they like gotten boops.

896
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Georgia being vulgar. You're so sorry, Oh my goodness,

897
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: on my podcast.

898
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.

899
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 3: I'm offended.

900
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: I the the like way that people stayed popular throughout

901
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: like that always really scared me because to catch you up,

902
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: I also I moved like every two to three years

903
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 1: growing up, and so I was always going to new schools.

904
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 3: And here was one of your parents in the Coast Guard.

905
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: No, okay, but I wish how cool.

906
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 4: Having someone in our school people move every three years

907
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 4: because they're dead.

908
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: That's what everyone asked.

909
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: Youlary military, and it's like, no, just kind of a

910
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: random guy. But so I was always like the first

911
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: day of school mattered so much because I was like,

912
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna judge me, like this is the final exam,

913
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: basically is that first outfit. And so it was a

914
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: crazy little journey because like and most I got pretty

915
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: good at it, Like I really did overthink it and

916
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: like would hit them all and be like, Okay, what

917
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: is it, what's gonna work, What's what's hitting right now?

918
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: What's now what's hot? But then like it backfired so

919
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: bad when I moved to Southern Virginia from Michigan and

920
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: the it was like I wore like, you know, the

921
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: Hollister t and the like I pretended like I was

922
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: like from Cali, which like in Michigan is probably the

923
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: coolest you can look.

924
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this almost from Cali. Like I've said

925
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 2: this to you before. It's like when I when we

926
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: moved back to Greece, Abercrombie, which was sort of not

927
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 2: cool anymore in America, was suddenly the biggest sign that

928
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: you were you were well traveled in Greece, like in

929
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 2: like a smaller European country. So I was like, oh,

930
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: all this stuff that I thought was uncool suddenly I

931
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: would wear my Abercrombie branded hoodie and everyone would be like, oh,

932
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: are you a shipping heir?

933
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

934
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

935
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: As soon as I walked into like the school in Virginia,

936
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: it was truly just like gay like it was like yep,

937
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: your guy. And I was like, oh no, I blew it.

938
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: I blew the first day.

939
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: It's tough. It's a tough line between California surfer and.

940
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a tough little line. And I had

941
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: no idea they were so close.

942
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean talking about like a pukahell necklace. It's

943
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: like that's It's truly like it depends on who's wearing it.

944
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be you can be like the meanest

945
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: jock or you can be in the choice of on video.

946
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 4: And then the other thing is like you, once you've

947
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 4: worn that outfit, you have a choice, which is to

948
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 4: really lean into it and to be like I'm going

949
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 4: to dress like this every day until people start thinking

950
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 4: it's cool, or to just be like never mind.

951
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: By I'm very never mind think. I was like nope, no, no, no.

952
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: It was like get me a vineyard, vines or something.

953
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: Was cool that was cool.

954
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: Cool. All were like polos and boat shoes because there

955
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: it was more money based, got it.

956
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, see it's so funny. Of course the prep thing

957
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: is money based. When I lived in New Jersey, it

958
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: had like never occurred to me that that was what

959
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 2: it was signifying. I was like, fun colors, it's just.

960
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 3: Occurring to me now.

961
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like right, of course, Yeah, I guess it

962
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: was all all money.

963
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: Oh it's cut. Oh it's all money.

964
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: It's all these signifiers. Actually, Like this was something especially

965
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: in New Jersey. There was a sort of like I

966
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: would see dads wearing salmon colored pants and I'd be like,

967
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: how embarrassing are they gay? But it's just to signal

968
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: that they're rich.

969
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 3: They're rich, Yeah, they're rich. Yeah, they're just rich.

970
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: They're just the other I'm realizing I had thinking about

971
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: like the first day.

972
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: I also had this strategy.

973
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: Do you remember in like Sex and the City, when

974
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: Samantha's trying to get her like boy toy to happen

975
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: for time right now and it's Smith Jared Smith Jarrett,

976
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: and she's like, first you get the gaze, then you

977
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: get the girls, and then you're a star or whatever.

978
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: I had the opposite. I was like, okay, if girls

979
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 1: think I'm hot, then I will be protected and then boys, well,

980
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: then everyone will want to be friends with me.

981
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: And so I was like, I.

982
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: Would truly like target, Like I'd be like, popular girls

983
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 1: need to like me, and as soon as they do,

984
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm set.

985
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 2: And it always worked, Like yeah.

986
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: It always worked.

987
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: Popular girls are not only the scariest people on the

988
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 4: planet but also like the most important if they like you.

989
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 4: I would not say it was one of the popular girls,

990
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 4: but they all kind of liked me, and they I

991
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 4: felt protected.

992
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: Do you feel okay? So this is related? Yeah? I

993
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: do actually think when I track which years were the

994
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: best years of my school life, it was based on

995
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: if the popular girls like me. Wo But okay, my

996
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: question is do you think okay? So there's old money

997
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: popular since second grade new money got booms. But then

998
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: there is a tricky third thing, which is that it

999
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 2: is true that sometimes being funny in the right way,

1000
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: it is a left field way to enter the fray.

1001
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: That is so, and it's for both.

1002
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: It's more for men, more for boys rather in high

1003
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: school because it's like often you would see like all

1004
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: the popular guys are hot and then there's one guy

1005
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: that's not as hot. But he's the funny one, but

1006
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 2: he's like as desirable for the girls as the hot ones.

1007
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: And so that is almost like if there's old money

1008
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 2: and new money, that is almost like, I mean, how

1009
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: would you what is what is the metal way in

1010
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: the in the financial, in the economic and the economy.

1011
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm really racking my brain and

1012
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: you've stumped me, to be honest.

1013
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: See that's like that is God, that's almost okay. If

1014
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: there's old money, which is became popular in second third grade,

1015
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: there's new money. Who's the people who sort of like

1016
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: have this big mostly.

1017
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 4: Physical transit glow up in high school, and that's new money.

1018
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 4: I would say that the funny particularly guy coming into

1019
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 4: like the popular group is.

1020
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I have a swing. It's like fame exactly.

1021
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: It's like they don't have the money, but they're invited

1022
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: to the cool thing.

1023
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: It's something that blinds you where suddenly money doesn't matter.

1024
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, they're like the talented artists, the talented

1025
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: creative the like, and being in proxity, in close proximity

1026
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: to them makes the old money like makes the old money.

1027
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, they're like they have like the prestige of

1028
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 4: of yeah, of fame they have their their status is

1029
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 4: not from money, but it's so it's it's almost it

1030
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 4: like allows them to kind of rise above everybody.

1031
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's the priceless thing. It's like the it's

1032
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: the thing that you can't get with money. Yes, talent,

1033
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 2: that's right, that's wow.

1034
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: I mean now I'm in it.

1035
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 4: I think I was in a different class because I was.

1036
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 4: I had really good friends that are still my closest

1037
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: friends to this day, which is very straight to me.

1038
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: Well, we literally have done an episode where the topic

1039
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: was friends from home.

1040
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 3: Yes, I listened to real Yes, Yeah, so I listened

1041
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 3: to the whole thing.

1042
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 4: And and I but but and I feel that my

1043
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 4: friends that I'm still friends with were all like very cool,

1044
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 4: but they just weren't like part of like the most

1045
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 4: popular yes group or whatever. But I would say because

1046
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 4: I was friends with them, and because I was like

1047
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 4: accepted by the popular girls, and I was in a

1048
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 4: lot of classes with the and and close with a

1049
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 4: lot of like really smart people too, which this did

1050
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 4: not happen.

1051
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: It sounds like you were sort of like the Queen Bee.

1052
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: I sort of, I sort of was.

1053
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 4: I wasn't cool, but I was sort of friends with everybody,

1054
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 4: and I guess I'm bragging about you.

1055
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 3: I think I was a politician.

1056
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 2: That's right, And actually that is a fourth type that

1057
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: is all money artist, sort of famous artist.

1058
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 3: Politics, politician, and actually politicans.

1059
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: It's so true because I can think, literally, I can

1060
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 2: think of who in my high school was the politician. Yes,

1061
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 2: it is. It's always one person and it's truly like

1062
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: and then people will be like, oh, well you know

1063
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: that Vanessa, she's a politician. She'll be president one day.

1064
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 2: Like it's it's something I.

1065
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: Did get most likely to succeed.

1066
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, obsessed And actually this goes back to you.

1067
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: It came out too fast.

1068
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 1: No, I'm like, this is this is my of Vanessa

1069
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,959
Speaker 1: at the lunch table. Wait have we met?

1070
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 2: Well, you really have shown all parts of your person there.

1071
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 2: It's like first you like immediately zeroed in on the

1072
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: like lost sort of lost kitten thing. You were like, oh,

1073
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: but I can I a web and weaponizing that is

1074
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: how you become a politician. That's because you're like, oh,

1075
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: I'm innocent, I'm pure, I'm lost. Yeah, can everyone someone

1076
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 2: explain it to me? And then people start gathering around

1077
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: and you're like, okay, so you're gonna be my hair person.

1078
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 2: You there.

1079
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 3: Because I'm like.

1080
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 4: In the classes, like I was in a lot of

1081
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 4: AP classes, but it was sort of like, okay.

1082
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 2: Again you're ragging. You're so you're smart too.

1083
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: The thing that to make a point, because which was

1084
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 3: i'd go up to like you know, it'd be like

1085
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: the murder kids were like they were also my friends.

1086
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,800
Speaker 3: I was like, can you tutor me? Like you know

1087
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 3: what I mean?

1088
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 2: Like, but that is a politician thing. That is a

1089
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: politician thing, because famously, a politician is never and I'm

1090
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: not saying this to offend you by any but it's

1091
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: like a politician.

1092
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: Is feels like you're speaking directly about is never.

1093
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: Like the number one student, let's say, but it's the

1094
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 2: one who can who can sort of manipulate everyone to

1095
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 2: their advantage. Because if you were the number one student,

1096
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: you would become a doctor. Yeah, you wouldn't want to

1097
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: be apolis. You never get elected exactly. Yeah, I'm not

1098
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: going to make the joke I was going to make,

1099
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: but it was homophobic.

1100
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, like I might make you mis

1101
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Speaker 3: take this up.

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Speaker 1: That's perfect, my bo.

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Speaker 4: Biden is that I had leukemia, if that makes sense totally.

1104
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 2: I see, so you even had you even I.

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Speaker 1: Actually was going to bring this up and then I

1106
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: was like that, don't feel inappropriate. But I was like,

1107
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: so you had everything was perfect about you. But then

1108
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: whenever someone was like she's perfect, she has it all,

1109
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: you could be like, no, sweet.

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00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: I had lukemia in high school.

1111
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's my common app essay.

1112
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so look at me. I've I get diagnosed with gumia.

1113
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 4: In ninth grade of spring break, miss, fourth quarter of

1114
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 4: ninth grade, come back, tenth grade miss is a lot

1115
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 4: of school.

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00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 3: But I'm getting better and and okay, and then my

1117
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 3: senior year, I'm prom queen, most likely to succeed, best personality,

1118
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 3: best smile a most optimistic. I don't know why to

1119
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,439
Speaker 3: roll off my tongue so quickly.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know you were allowed to get more than one.

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00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 3: Well, maybe they've changed their roles. Maybe I messed up

1122
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 3: for everybody else, don't care van.

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Speaker 2: Clause get more than one.

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00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I guess the point is I remember those

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00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 4: two clearly.

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00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 3: And also, yeah, I'm the politician.

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00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: Wow, wow, I mean this is I literally feel like

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00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm like watching the end of Survivor or something, it's like, oh.

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00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, like, oh, it's been her the

1130
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: whole time. Yeah, this is so fascinating. And the fact

1131
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 2: that we actually also have the self knowledge. Yes, the

1132
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: self awareness is the scariest part.

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00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,959
Speaker 3: I feel. Yes, yes, I feel like I'm I guess

1134
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 3: I'm a silent killer.

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00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 1: I think it's safe to say that, wow secrets out.

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00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, I.

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00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 2: Guess.

1138
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: So where would you each say you just stick it

1139
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: off of me?

1140
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Speaker 1: Okay?

1141
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 4: Where would you say you fall in the would you

1142
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 4: both say that you're the Oh talent?

1143
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 2: I see, I seem okay, this is a good this

1144
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: is a very good.

1145
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 1: I think I was definitely the talent. I think I

1146
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: was like the funny kid, and I also think it

1147
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: was charming that I was sort of non threatening and

1148
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: that like both like the girls weren't threatened because they

1149
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: were like, he seems nice, and the boys weren't threatened

1150
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: because they're like, he doesn't seem like he's going after girls.

1151
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,439
Speaker 1: So it was sort of like I was just sort

1152
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: of like.

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00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 3: The pal But that's I had a little of that too,

1154
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 3: So you you maybe were a little bit of the politician.

1155
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: I think I might have been a little bit of

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00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 1: a little Yeah.

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00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 2: I feel like I was. Okay, I think I was

1158
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: the second best politician, which is the worst place to be,

1159
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: which is I was like, I'm like, I have the

1160
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 2: talent in me, I could be the politician, but there

1161
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: was always someone that was better at being the politician

1162
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: than me. So I was sort of like a second

1163
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 2: class politician. Like I was like the you know, the Kamala.

1164
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Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say.

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00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: I was the comment.

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00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: Were you working with the other politician and like sort

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00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,439
Speaker 1: of or were you like trying to bring them down?

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00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: No, because ultimately I recognized that the other polic I

1169
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: was jealous of the chest you.

1170
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: Can think of your head of a specific politician.

1171
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I was, and he had he was just like

1172
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 2: a more charismatic version of me. I would say. But

1173
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: here's the thing. I also was like, oh, he's also

1174
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: what frustrated me is. I was like, he's also a

1175
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: little corny, and I'm like, don't people see that I'm

1176
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 2: like the politician, Like yeah, if you sort of like

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00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: if you want someone to follow, but you're sort of

1178
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 2: cool and have a sense of humor, I'm your guy.

1179
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 2: Why are you still following?

1180
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: You were too radical?

1181
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: I was too radical.

1182
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: You were Bernie?

1183
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: I was you were Bernie. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

1184
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: Like people with tastes were like, well, of course.

1185
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: Exactly, I was Bernie. Maybe even Dennis Kucinich. Yeah no,

1186
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: that's actually that's so true.

1187
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: And stuck with your morals.

1188
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean remember the Georgia Awards. I feel like

1189
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: that's classic me trying too hard to be politician.

1190
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: Oh.

1191
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 2: I made up something in middle school, no, elementary school,

1192
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 2: called the Georgia Wards, where I just out of nowhere

1193
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: printed out ballots and was like, oh my god, hot

1194
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: a sky cutest couple, and I made everyone vote.

1195
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: This was not high school, to be clear, I was

1197
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,240
Speaker 2: like four third graders.

1198
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: Think the number keeps getting smaller and small.

1199
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: I don't like I was not It was elementary school.

1200
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 2: M it was okery, New Jersey, So I can't be

1201
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 2: all accountable. I was blind to buy all the salmon

1202
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 2: colored culture. The culture was. The culture was so different.

1203
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 2: I was from me different anyway. Yeah, no, I was.

1204
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: I didn't have what I guess now you would call

1205
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: chill like I was just like I don't want to be.

1206
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to be on top. Yeah, I want

1207
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 2: to be on top.

1208
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. Anyway, this was I think we're bringing so

1209
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: much shame to each of us.

1210
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 2: And I actually felt so raw and vulnerable right now.

1211
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 4: But I feel like it's so nice to be able

1212
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 4: to look back and recognize what you were doing.

1213
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: You didn't even know you were doing it.

1214
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I have a question.

1215
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: And also we had good intentions. No one was trying

1216
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: to I.

1217
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: Never wanted to hurt yeah anyone.

1218
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: I genuinely was like, Okay, I'm going to tell a story. No,

1219
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 3: it's too politician.

1220
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 2: I want to do it.

1221
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 3: I won't. I won't.

1222
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: Okay. I have a question related to this top day, Okay,

1223
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 1: and I want to know does dressing for the first

1224
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 1: day of school translate to dressing to the first day

1225
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: of work.

1226
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 2: The way you took the words regiment. WHOA Really I've

1227
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,399
Speaker 2: been for the past five minutes, I've been like, that's

1228
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 2: gonna be my next question, all right.

1229
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: Because for me, well, I honestly have never had like

1230
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: a traditional office job.

1231
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 2: I feel like, okay, all right, here's what I'll say.

1232
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: Dressing for the first day of school, there's something a

1233
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 2: little sort of like tryhard pathetic about it. But when

1234
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: you're starting a new job, it's like, well, yeah, if

1235
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 2: you take yourself seriously, you will look at on your

1236
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 2: first day, like I think I am pro looking pro

1237
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 2: turning a look for the first day of a job.

1238
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: See, in my mind, I would be embarrassed of like

1239
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: dressing up too much. It would kind of be the

1240
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: same thing, right, like overthink how can I look casual

1241
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: but smart and cool.

1242
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 2: It was also something about a jobhere, it's like you applied,

1243
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: you were accepted. Now you have to turn it out.

1244
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: Whereas school, it's like, yeah, you're in a public school,

1245
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 2: so is everyone like yeah, what do you think you are?

1246
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: Giselle bunchkin eye? Everyone else is also in school. You

1247
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 2: didn't have to like apply.

1248
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: Orse, I feel like, okaye, you weren't that popular. Who

1249
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: do you think you are? Just a you're in public school, Mama.

1250
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: First at a job, you're like, you're like, yeah, you

1251
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 2: did a you like good, you know, congrats on hiring me.

1252
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: I look stunning. Yeah, like I wouldn't, I think. Okay,

1253
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: first of all, you have had first oh no, but

1254
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: I guess most recently was on.

1255
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 4: Okay, I remember interview outfits being very huge. And I

1256
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 4: remember both summers when I was in college, I interned,

1257
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 4: and I remember my intern interviews. My friend Cheryl still

1258
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 4: a very good friend in a very politician way, er

1259
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 4: took me to Banana Republic, and I had to be

1260
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 4: like both summers, I bought like a new pair of

1261
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 4: like dress pants and shirts and dress and she was

1262
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 4: in the business school like button down shirt and none

1263
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 4: of the jobs that I was interviewing for were like

1264
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 4: that's what you would wear for like business internships. But

1265
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 4: I was interning at like TV like more in the

1266
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 4: TV world, and so I I think I looked over

1267
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 4: dressed for both of my interviews, but I wanted to

1268
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 4: look like a little business lady when I went to

1269
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 4: those interviews, and I remember that being very important.

1270
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do, Actually you saying that, I do remember

1271
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: wearing a full suit to an internship interview.

1272
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 4: Because I was like, that's what you do, That's what

1273
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 4: people wear at jobs.

1274
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was like that's what that's what my

1275
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: dad wants. Yeah, wear your little suit and go to

1276
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: your interview. Yeah. And I bombed, I tell you, I

1277
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: bombed so hard and felt so stupid.

1278
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: Have you ever had one of those jobs or one

1279
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 2: time once in my life. And in fact, our friend

1280
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: Pat has a joke about this, which is like lying

1281
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 2: about knowing Excel, but then they make you do it.

1282
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: I really did one time have like an interview where

1283
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: they actually give you a computer and tell you to

1284
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: do something in Excel and they projected onto the world

1285
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: and I did not. I just simply did not.

1286
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: What was Can I ask what the type of job

1287
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 3: it was?

1288
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was at a tech company and

1289
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: it was something along the lines of like project managed,

1290
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: project associated, like just some sort of like nothing title

1291
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, your job would have been literally

1292
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: to do Excel, but it's not coding. It's not like

1293
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: you had to yeah you know C plus plus or

1294
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 2: something like. It's like, so what did you say? I mean?

1295
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: I really just sat there. Well, okay, so I knew

1296
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 2: this was coming. So I had spent a week googling

1297
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 2: around and learning like the main things you should learn.

1298
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: Oh that's good, but it was not enough because you

1299
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: can't just in a week learn like if if you're.

1300
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: Excel just putting stuff into a grid or.

1301
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: There's more. That's it's crazy. They it's actually so dishonest

1302
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: to be like, do you know Excel, because.

1303
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: Because it's like, well, I know, I know how to

1304
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 1: put stuff into one Cel. But then there's like it

1305
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 1: gets really it gets you.

1306
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 2: Even back then, I yeah.

1307
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: George's seventy two.

1308
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 3: By the way, even a few years ago, I would think.

1309
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's been like that since. Like, Excel is

1310
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: like secretly one of the most powerful tools at our

1311
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: disposal and we have no idea about it.

1312
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 3: Billivy.

1313
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 4: Do we use Excel when we fill out the show

1314
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 4: descriptions for the podcast?

1315
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 2: But yeah, you can use it for that. But then imagine,

1316
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 2: imagine this, Vanessa, that same spreadsheet you use to just

1317
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: do the podcast descriptions someone can use to literally like

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Speaker 2: solve a really difficult equation.

1319
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: Right because it's like X yeah, okay.

1320
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 2: Say no more, okay, your genius. Oh so you know Excel.

1321
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: Somebody go to the laptop. Laptop, We've got the job.

1322
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: You better wear a suit to your first day, Well, Vanessa,

1323
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm keeping eye on the clock. Any final thoughts on

1324
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: the topic of wearing, sorry, planning your outfit for the

1325
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: first day of school.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess my final thought is what how far

1327
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,920
Speaker 4: we've come that we've taken it from you know, how

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01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 4: will I be perceived on the first day of school

1329
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 4: to figuring out how each one of us fell into

1330
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:20,959
Speaker 4: the hierarchy of of old money versus new money, versus

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01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 4: politician versus famous talent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm obsessed with our so I actually.

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01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's it's like as big of a

1334
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 3: deal as the thing that they say is like on

1335
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 3: every TV show in Seinfeld where there's like Seinfeld is

1336
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 3: an example where there's like the Princess the other three.

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01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I I did once read this at some point

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: in my life. This is the rent. I don't have

1339
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: the information that this is that. Yes, yes, yes, no,

1340
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: I completely agree. And actually, if you're listening to this

1341
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 2: and you're in high school, let's hope you're in the

1342
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 2: right group, because unless you're planning on developing over the

1343
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: summer to change time, yeah.

1344
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: As you're planning on being the new money, which anyone.

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01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: Can anyone, well not anyone, anyone. Well maybe you can

1346
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 2: buy you really show stopping outfit.

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, the outfit won't do it.

1348
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 2: It won't do it. The best you can hope for,

1349
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: I mean.

1350
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Speaker 3: What are the people that are in none of the

1351
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: groups we just mentioned.

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01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 2: The lower classes, right, the proletariat, that's.

1353
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1354
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 2: Which in our I didn't invent the system, of course.

1355
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: To bring it back to straight culture, I'm like, okay,

1356
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 2: so then where does so often we in fact talk

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01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: about class rather than sexuality. Yeah, which does make it

1358
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 2: co which doesn't make it complicated. So I'm like, right,

1359
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: so in that sense, I mean, of course, the politician

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01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: and the talented famous are the most queer things you

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01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,479
Speaker 2: can be, because they're like unique and sort of court

1362
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 2: gestures that are well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very like whisper networks, exact power. Yeah.

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01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I guess the lower classes are also queer,

1365
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,840
Speaker 2: but like in a flop way, you.

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01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: Know, the way that being gay in high school was

1367
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: like okay, like better be like a famous politician exactly,

1368
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 1: because it was like, if you're not, it's very much

1369
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: like you were choosing a sexuality is a choice, of course,

1370
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: so you're when you are gay in high school, it's like, okay,

1371
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: you are either going to be the bottom of the

1372
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: bottom or the tippy toddling like and.

1373
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 2: Actually being a politician, for a gay man especially is

1374
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 2: often the way to worm your way in. Yeah, it's

1375
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: actually it really I'm trying to think for gay women

1376
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 2: and for other people on the LGBTQ spectrum, for gay

1377
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 2: men especially. I really do think being a politician is

1378
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,479
Speaker 2: the way in, don't you think.

1379
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's almost what's that thing of Like it's

1380
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: not like making a deal the devil, but there's some

1381
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: like sociological term for being like, Okay, I know I'm

1382
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: on the outside, but I'm going to side with the

1383
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: power because that's the only way for me to have power.

1384
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 2: It's also sort of a way to de sexualize yourself

1385
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 2: because you're like, I'm not gay, I'm class president.

1386
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,920
Speaker 1: Any questions, right, Yeah, would a gay guy be organizing prom.

1387
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 2: Good point? Wow? Wow? Should we do our final segment?

1388
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 1: I think we should do our final segment is this.

1389
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 2: Has been an absolute life.

1390
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm having so much fun.

1391
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: Would you like to sure our final segment is called

1392
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: shout Outs, and in this segment we pay homage to

1393
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: the great straight oral tradition of the radio shout out

1394
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: to anything that we enjoy So pretended two thousand and one.

1395
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: You're at TRL shouting out to your squad back home,

1396
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: but about anything that you like and George and I

1397
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: are going to go first. Ye do you have one?

1398
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: I could do one? Okay, it's sort of okay, it

1399
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 2: has two parts. Okay, what's up, freaks and losers? Back home?

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01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: I want to give a shout out to the new

1401
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:14,440
Speaker 2: album mid Air by Romy, which I have been absolutely

1402
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 2: obsessed with over the last few days. And if you

1403
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 2: don't know, Romy is the one woman in the XX,

1404
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: the band that was at the top of the world

1405
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 2: in exactly twenty twelve. Now here's the thing with me.

1406
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 2: I spent the last week staying with my friends who

1407
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: are a queer women couple in Berkeley, California, and I

1408
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 2: was out on my walks listening to this album that

1409
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: is about queer woman love. It is literally all about

1410
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: how much she loves her wife. And so here I

1411
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: am waking up with two women that are in a relationship,

1412
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: going out listening to music about women that are in

1413
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 2: a relationship, coming back to two women in a relationship.

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01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: I have never been more optimistic about the state of

1415
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 2: queer women in our society. I think we are ready

1416
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: for a lesbian president. I think they are the backbone

1417
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: of the LGBTQ plus community, and I think pretty much.

1418
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 2: No one who is in a queer woman should be

1419
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 2: an artist or a politician moving forward. So shout out

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01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 2: to Romy, shout out to my friends Randon, Emma, and

1421
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: shout out to queer woman everywhere.

1422
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,960
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I was gonna do Seattle. What we already

1423
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: talked about it. You can do it though, No, no,

1424
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: I know, I'm going to branch out. Okay, Portland, what's

1425
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: up preaklusures and perports around the globe. I want to

1426
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: give a huge shout out to the California vibe. I

1427
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: have been walking around and everybody it's so chill, so attractive,

1428
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: so young. Where do they keep the old people here? Anyway?

1429
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: I have been sort of loving it in a way

1430
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: where I'm like, what if I wasn't critical of my surroundings.

1431
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 1: What if I simply saw it and I said, yeah,

1432
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: that's good. I'm gonna do that, and everything is pretty,

1433
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: everything's comfortable, the plants are nice, and I'm saying, yeah, okay,

1434
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: this is great for me. But if I just chilled out,

1435
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: was happy, had a beautiful home and a beautiful life,

1436
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: what if I didn't need strife and pain and inconveniences

1437
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: to you know, move through the world. So I want

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01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: to give a shout out to the California vibe. You

1439
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: guys are doing it right. I know there is darkness here,

1440
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: but I don't see it. Yes, aeroic so Sam.

1441
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 2: Wow, I love that.

1442
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

1443
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 3: I feel like which thing to do?

1444
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, I'm ready, Okay, what's up, y'all? This is

1445
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 4: Vanessa Bayer from Cleveland, Ohio, and I just wanted to

1446
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,479
Speaker 4: say a shout out to silium husk.

1447
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 3: Cilium husk. What is it? It's some kind of a

1448
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 3: husk that makes you shift. People take it every day.

1449
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 4: Some people take it in pill form, some people take

1450
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 4: it in powder forms. Some people take it in these

1451
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 4: little kind of uh they break it up and it sort.

1452
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,160
Speaker 3: Of feels like it's little pieces of trusk.

1453
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: It.

1454
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 4: Anyway, if you incorporate into your diet, it's a lot

1455
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 4: of fiber and it can really help keep things in

1456
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 4: this crazy world.

1457
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 3: It can help keep things regular.

1458
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 2: Wow. I mean I never heard of that.

1459
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: Oh honey, it's in your peer for men.

1460
01:07:57,720 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 2: Oh good, Okay, I take it.

1461
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean to come on and take it daily, to

1462
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: come on a gay podcast and we're we know. I

1463
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: was like, okay, this you're literally stealing this.

1464
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing. We actually I have never looked

1465
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 2: into what is in Pure for Men. By the way,

1466
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 2: if they want to be advertisers, we both use.

1467
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 3: It happens to us on our podcast is a lot

1468
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 3: too where we're like, we're we're promoting this thing about

1469
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:20,719
Speaker 3: these people.

1470
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,719
Speaker 2: And by the way, people have told me that Pure

1471
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 2: forre Men is just overpriced normal fiber that you can

1472
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 2: get in the store, of course, but if they want

1473
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 2: to be an advertiser, I will actually go live on

1474
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,719
Speaker 2: air and say that that's actually incorrect.

1475
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I don't care branded for gay guys. Yeah,

1476
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: it's just normal fibers.

1477
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 2: Branded for branded for gay guys, Vanessa, and I.

1478
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 3: Want to know, like what is in there that I

1479
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 3: can't have?

1480
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: Right, So basically, if you take even one, you could die.

1481
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 2: I mean I am by the way, Yeah, Like, okay,

1482
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 2: I understand not to be like I love companies, but

1483
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 2: like the fact that they branded for gay men, I'm like,

1484
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 2: I support that. Why would I want to.

1485
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:03,839
Speaker 1: Give my money to something that's I hate companies, But I'm.

1486
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 4: Just saying, like if it is mostly cillium husk, which

1487
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 4: maybe it isn't, but like if that's.

1488
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: The it's a proprietory blend.

1489
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:12,640
Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of different little things in.

1490
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,840
Speaker 3: The Okay, okay, okay, Yeah.

1491
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: It's so funny to have something for gay guys that's

1492
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: still branded. Like it's sort of like dude wipes or

1493
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: something totally total.

1494
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, it's like Sanseraf, like black Blue. It's

1495
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 2: not like, hey, queen, it's very like if you're a man,

1496
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 2: you can take it like a man.

1497
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:35,599
Speaker 1: It's actually insane.

1498
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 2: It's so funny.

1499
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: And yeah, I need to order another bottle me too.

1500
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out of it.

1501
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 2: Okay, then that's not we're getting you some Wow. Wow,

1502
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,080
Speaker 2: another incredible in the bag.

1503
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: Wow.

1504
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm so ready to get out there and get another

1505
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:52,160
Speaker 2: Airwan's movie.

1506
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, there's so much stuff to get there.

1507
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what, there's another.

1508
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 4: Episode I like using monk fruit sweetener, Like I'm, I'm.

1509
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 4: It's it's supposed to not affect your like blood sugar levels,

1510
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 4: but it's a it's like a different form of like

1511
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 4: sort of like a sugar type of thing. Okay, they

1512
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 4: have like monk fruit sweetener, sweetened maple syrup, chocolate chips, like,

1513
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 4: they have so many monk fruit, sweetened things, cooking baking stuff.

1514
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 3: Do you guys wish you hadn't asked me this?

1515
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: No idea?

1516
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 2: I've never been more. Oh. I was like, I want

1517
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 2: to know where you're going with it. Oh, so you

1518
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: like that, that's it? Okay, got it? Got it? Okay? Well,

1519
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 2: but also.

1520
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:42,679
Speaker 3: They have they have, you know, prepared foods.

1521
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,280
Speaker 2: I love the idea of you having like the funniest episode.

1522
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: You're doing such a good job, and then the final

1523
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 2: question you crack.

1524
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 1: Oh it's like a full half hour.

1525
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 2: So then they have the sandwich.

1526
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 1: So the sandwich is kind of interesting because you guys

1527
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: are just sitting there like like, well, okay, this has

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01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 1: been incredible, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: And then you don't forget to listen to Vanessa's and

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Speaker 2: Jonah bears podcast, Yes how did we get weird?

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Speaker 3: Wherever you got your podcast?

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Speaker 1: Wherever you get your podcasts?

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Speaker 2: All right, bye y'all, Bye bye,