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Speaker 1: Welcome back to part two of this prom party. We're
Speaker 1: still dressed up. We're still dressed up, Listen, We've kept
Speaker 1: our crowns on. We're really leaning. In episode four sixteen,
Speaker 1: you call it madness, but I call it love. The
Speaker 1: original airdate May second, twenty seven, It will be an
Speaker 1: unforgettable prom at tree Hill High when Lucas discovers who
Speaker 1: was in the hallway when Keith was killed. Meanwhile, Peyton's
Speaker 1: decision to skip the prom leads to dire consequences. Nathan
Speaker 1: and Haley vow to be romantic teenagers, while Dan tries
Speaker 1: to win Karen's affections and the witness to his murder
Speaker 1: closes in. This episode was directed by our favorite Tom Wright,
Speaker 1: and we have another one of our favorites here for
Speaker 1: part two. Matt Barr aka Psycho Derek, who, if you
Speaker 1: were with us on tour, you learned is the sweetest
Speaker 1: man off screen, sweet compliment, a terror. On screen, we
Speaker 1: call him sweet Matt. Hi, honey, Hi guys, thanks for
Speaker 1: having me back. I love you, We love having you here. Right.
Speaker 1: You are the nightmare fuel for every teenage girl in
Speaker 1: America that watched this ship Matt, Like, remember, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I was like in China once and someone said
Speaker 1: that to me and I thought, wow, that that really
Speaker 1: made it a cross fie. Wow, because you're such You're
Speaker 1: a handsome dude, and you're sweet, and there is nothing
Speaker 1: about you that screams red flag. So then when when
Speaker 1: this all unfolds and you are horrendous in this basis, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're so unhinged. I just rewatched it. It's actually
Speaker 1: creepier than I even remember it. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: it's so dark, like I don't remember any kind of
Speaker 1: trauma in my childhood, but man, it's you in this
Speaker 1: episode are the reason that, like, when I'm home alone
Speaker 1: at night, I don't want to look out the windows,
Speaker 1: like I'm so scared that a face like Psychoderic's face
Speaker 1: is going to be on the other side of the glass,
Speaker 1: and every we were sitting here watching the episode, and
Speaker 1: we were just every other second we were like, oh god, oh, no, no, oh,
Speaker 1: just feeling at the screen. How how does a person
Speaker 1: who is as kind as you are? I mean, listen,
Speaker 1: you're an actor. Our job is to embody people, good, bad, ugly,
Speaker 1: everything in between. Right, How how did you figure out
Speaker 1: how to make this person a person that you could inhabit?
Speaker 1: And was it uncomfortable to do on set? Like what's
Speaker 1: your world? Because it was really hard for us to watch.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I mean you guys knows his actors, Like,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes the further the departure, sometimes the easier
Speaker 1: it is to kind of take that leap. You know,
Speaker 1: playing yourself is kind of scary and you know it's
Speaker 1: just to be organic on camera. So I think sometimes
Speaker 1: those kind of radical choices are easier just to like
Speaker 1: I said, just to like, you know, base jump off
Speaker 1: the cliff and so if you go for it. But
Speaker 1: I M so many actors overdo it like there's there's
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you you managed to
Speaker 1: make it so realistic and believable, which is what makes
Speaker 1: it so scary. Well, also, it feels like a real
Speaker 1: psychotic break Matt like it. It doesn't feel like mustache twirling.
Speaker 1: It feels like this is a boy who suffered some
Speaker 1: pretty horrific abuse and is now inflicting it on someone else.
Speaker 1: And you made it real in a way that I
Speaker 1: think elevates the fear factor. Were there were there movies,
Speaker 1: because you know, I remember them telling us, They're like,
Speaker 1: this is your shot, kids, You're doing a horror film
Speaker 1: this week. Were there movies that you watched? He You're like,
Speaker 1: this is a bad guy that I can you know,
Speaker 1: use as a model for what I'm going to turn
Speaker 1: Ian into. Right, Yeah, there were And I'm trying to
Speaker 1: remember what it was during that time, but I remember
Speaker 1: thinking all that great villains sort of there they whatever
Speaker 1: they're doing, they think there's a nobility to it, you know.
Speaker 1: And so you know, and like I said, rather it's
Speaker 1: paint where wherever that motivation comes from. Maybe it's trauma
Speaker 1: or pain, you know, Like I thought, if we grounded
Speaker 1: Derek and it's like he really needed this, and you know,
Speaker 1: he was this this obsession for Peyton was grounded in
Speaker 1: some kind of for him real thing and so the audience,
Speaker 1: like you said, it becomes real. It's not the mustache
Speaker 1: twirling villain. It's it's like a really um, it's a
Speaker 1: very sick young man. And I not that we sympathize
Speaker 1: with him, but I think then, but the more you
Speaker 1: grounded that, that's almost an interesting part for a minute.
Speaker 1: If you're thinking, like, man, I always feel bad for
Speaker 1: how how you have to how can you how can
Speaker 1: you play your character the most effectively? And that's to
Speaker 1: care the most about your character. You have to you
Speaker 1: have to defend your character to the death, like care
Speaker 1: the most about them more than anybody else. And even
Speaker 1: if your character is an intense psychopath, um, you have
Speaker 1: to know why. You have to believe that, really deep down,
Speaker 1: there's a reason and they're just they deserve it and
Speaker 1: there's something good and you know, because that's real. That's
Speaker 1: what happens to humans, you know, not characters. That's what happens.
Speaker 1: Does I really like the I like the fact that
Speaker 1: you're willing you know, you're right. It's an intense example.
Speaker 1: But when you really compare someone like a Derek to
Speaker 1: some of the worst historical villains, and then you as
Speaker 1: an actor, say, even if this character I've been asked
Speaker 1: to play, is this evil? How do I, solely as
Speaker 1: the person who has to inhabit him, how do I
Speaker 1: humanize him? How do I give him a motivation? And
Speaker 1: that's what I think is really jarring about watching it.
Speaker 1: You know, to everyone else's point, it doesn't feel like
Speaker 1: mutch mustache twirling. It doesn't feel like a caricature. You
Speaker 1: managed to ground something real in him. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: that you use the word need, like he needs this.
Speaker 1: You gave it a reality, which I think is why
Speaker 1: it feels so scary. It's almost easier to dismiss a boogeyman.
Speaker 1: It's a lot harder to dismiss, you know. You think
Speaker 1: about all these crazy stories we watch on dateline, Like
Speaker 1: it's harder to dismiss the hockey coach who you find
Speaker 1: out has been like murdering kids. You're like, oh, but
Speaker 1: that's a real thing. Like the scary person who you
Speaker 1: who feels larger than life, it's easier for your mind
Speaker 1: to go, well, that's not really going to happen. And
Speaker 1: you brought something into this character that made it feel
Speaker 1: so real that I think it's why it's haunted all
Speaker 1: of us for so long. So as an actor, well done. Yes,
Speaker 1: Do you have interactions with people that you feel that like,
Speaker 1: are are that sort of like the real life villain?
Speaker 1: And are there do you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: what are the what are the things that you draw
Speaker 1: out that you're like, oh, yeah, this is a real No.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had to talk to killers on the
Speaker 1: phone and people you know have done horrible things and
Speaker 1: you just have to talk to them on the phone
Speaker 1: because that's your job, and sometimes you talk to them
Speaker 1: in real life. It's it really freaks me out. Have
Speaker 1: you discovered anything in terms of like this, they're so normality,
Speaker 1: They're so normal. Yeah, that's what I mean, right, Like
Speaker 1: it seems totally normal, like the hockey coach that like
Speaker 1: you're saying, so they're so normal. And the thing that
Speaker 1: I think that was really effective about your performance, Matt
Speaker 1: that I probably didn't notice in the moment, but I'm
Speaker 1: noticing now as a viewer with hindsight, um the way
Speaker 1: Derek enters Peyton and his concern for her, the speech
Speaker 1: that he gives to Peyton in the basement, where he's like,
Speaker 1: you were going to sleep with Lucas tonight, honey, and
Speaker 1: I just could not let you make that mistake, like
Speaker 1: he has been working with you and I can't let
Speaker 1: you do that. In his brain, this is all an
Speaker 1: act of love. I am going to save you from
Speaker 1: making a decision that's going to hurt you. And that
Speaker 1: was the part for me as a viewer where I
Speaker 1: was like, like, yeah, is it about him? Think he
Speaker 1: I think he was watching you and Brooke fight in
Speaker 1: the yard too, right, Yeah, you know your your best
Speaker 1: friend betrayed you, which was which was valid? You know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's it, right, That's where you see the break
Speaker 1: is a person who would say, I can't believe this
Speaker 1: person did that to you. We we hate her, you know.
Speaker 1: You even see it with Rachel. I love Shelley. I've
Speaker 1: always hated Shelley. She turns with mouth, you know, when
Speaker 1: when he tells her in the last episode that are
Speaker 1: not going to problem together. It is a very normal
Speaker 1: turn that in the mind of someone who's having an
Speaker 1: episode of mental illness or who's had a psychotic break
Speaker 1: goes from you don't like Brooke, I don't like Brooke
Speaker 1: to Brooke broke your heart. Let's gutter like a fish
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, dear, like we've we're no longer
Speaker 1: on a plane of reality, and it's it's it's inspiring
Speaker 1: to Hillary's point watching it now in hindsight, because you
Speaker 1: were able to toggle between normal human emotion and psychotic
Speaker 1: response in a way that, as you said, yes he's
Speaker 1: the villain. Yes, we're all terrified of him, and weirdly,
Speaker 1: now maybe it's just because we all, you know, produced
Speaker 1: direct Like I look at you as an actor and
Speaker 1: I'm like, you made me sympathize with him kind of
Speaker 1: though I want him to go to jail forever. But
Speaker 1: this poor baby, what happened to him, What happened to
Speaker 1: him to make him this way? Yeah, it's gnarly. And
Speaker 1: so I want to hear from you because we're gonna
Speaker 1: gush about you for you know, another thirty. I love
Speaker 1: doing this podcast. This is great. Yeah, yeah, anytime you
Speaker 1: need tell you. I mean, we thought they had killed you.
Speaker 1: And so for all of you at home, the fact
Speaker 1: that they brought Derek back, or Ian or whatever your
Speaker 1: character's name is, right, the fact that they brought you
Speaker 1: back is a testament to how lovely you were, because
Speaker 1: nobody else would have been brought back, but they bent
Speaker 1: over backwards. To figure out a way to keep you
Speaker 1: for longer. Right? Did you know about that during your
Speaker 1: first chunk of time on the show. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: don't think that was planned. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: don't think Mark right, I'm not sure the writers as
Speaker 1: far as I know, maybe, y'all you definitely need more
Speaker 1: than I did, probably, but I don't remember that. I
Speaker 1: remember that kind of being a one off thing those
Speaker 1: first four episodes, and then forget when that call came,
Speaker 1: but I remember Harry and they were going to kind
Speaker 1: of pull Brooke and Peyton apart, and that this sort
Speaker 1: of served a purpose the you know, um, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not you guys again in a very exciting way.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad I thought, um, like you said it,
Speaker 1: Like you said there, there's a way they ground it.
Speaker 1: If you when you first heard this pitch for the season,
Speaker 1: it would sound kind of ridiculous, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: because tree Hill is a very real place. And yeah,
Speaker 1: some things are sensationalized because it's a television show, but
Speaker 1: it's a very grounded show. And then it's it probably
Speaker 1: sounded it still does sound ridiculous, but I think we
Speaker 1: made it. We made it a real kind of um,
Speaker 1: you know, a real a real drama and a you know,
Speaker 1: in a real talent. You made it a real experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just a story that people were watching.
Speaker 1: We all felt the experience of terror as a unit.
Speaker 1: Had you done like a horror film before? How had
Speaker 1: you practiced this? That's when you haven't. Yeah, I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I wonder where the dark. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I think there's a way where you just like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's easier to take a leap. It's sort of
Speaker 1: just a far departure from yourself because I like, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys know me, I really am, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I mean I remember when my little brother was born
Speaker 1: as a kid, I hated him so ready to share
Speaker 1: bunk beds. So I think I was channeling that like
Speaker 1: a bunk beds, like like Anthony Hopkins playing lecters like
Speaker 1: it was all about the little brother and the bunk
Speaker 1: bed thing. But yeah, it is. It is funny, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It's like once you find a way in, it's almost
Speaker 1: like everyone always talks about a bottleneck, like in traffic,
Speaker 1: how everything squeezes and then it's a mess. But finding
Speaker 1: a way into a Character's kind of like the reverse.
Speaker 1: It's like you have to go in the skinny end
Speaker 1: of the funnel, and once you find the opening, it
Speaker 1: just opens on the other end. Yes, and that's so interesting,
Speaker 1: thank you. It's that's Teresaphia. Yeah. But to hear you
Speaker 1: say the thing about oh yeah, I remember Anthony Hopkins
Speaker 1: Hannibal Lector, he had the thing with the brother and
Speaker 1: you go done, and and that's the opening. You're right,
Speaker 1: and then you get to make up everything on the
Speaker 1: other side of it, once you find a little nugget
Speaker 1: of reality. It's it's also not lost on me if
Speaker 1: I may, because I'm sure people at home are like,
Speaker 1: we know you love Matt, but this is weird that
Speaker 1: you guys are gushing about Derek like it. I think
Speaker 1: it has helped us process the intensity of this episode,
Speaker 1: and you know, the violence and the episode is essentially
Speaker 1: every nightmare anyone who ever grew up watching like you know,
Speaker 1: Law and Order, SPU or Dateline or any of these
Speaker 1: things has ever had. Oh yeah, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: such a fear and I and I think we I
Speaker 1: think we cling to the positive that we gleaned from it,
Speaker 1: which is our friendship with you, because if we really
Speaker 1: look at what was happening to this teenage girl and
Speaker 1: then you know, by association her friend, it's so dark
Speaker 1: and it's so scary, and it's it's hard to know
Speaker 1: what to say about that. So I guess that's a
Speaker 1: really roundabout way of saying thank you for being you
Speaker 1: and not some actual creep who came to play this part,
Speaker 1: because if you had been a creepy dude, we would
Speaker 1: have been broken forever, forever, right, Well, like we're all
Speaker 1: the same boat. Like I'm not an advocate for violence,
Speaker 1: and I don't even I don't even love watching a
Speaker 1: lot of movies and things that are like hardcore. That way,
Speaker 1: it kind of like FEI hurts my soul a bit,
Speaker 1: you know, even even though it's fiction. Right, But I
Speaker 1: if you were to frame our our storyline in this
Speaker 1: show about kind of the resilience that you guys had,
Speaker 1: I mean I always thought there was sort of a
Speaker 1: positive message around you know, how your characters grew and change,
Speaker 1: because that's what that's what stories are about. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: with this kind of villain role that I played, Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've had a surprising I've had a
Speaker 1: surprising number of young women come up and let me
Speaker 1: know that they had been sexually assaulted and that the
Speaker 1: aftermath of this storyline and the girls coming together to
Speaker 1: process it was incredibly helpful for them. And that was
Speaker 1: really kind of confusing for me because we didn't have
Speaker 1: social media when this episode came out, there was no
Speaker 1: instant feedback, so to hear that feedback years later. It's
Speaker 1: not that I ever felt shame about this storyline, but
Speaker 1: it's because it is sexual assault and it's treated in
Speaker 1: a way that's very like horror movie of the week.
Speaker 1: Kind of I felt nervous about it. But the feedback
Speaker 1: I've gotten is that it was helpful. And I think
Speaker 1: being able to articulate feelings for the fan base and
Speaker 1: give them words and give them a reference and like
Speaker 1: something to point to is an important part of our job.
Speaker 1: And so you helped, you by being such a bad guy,
Speaker 1: help some women process what the aftermath can be. You
Speaker 1: know how you can keep going. You know what you
Speaker 1: just made me realize to Hill is that so much
Speaker 1: of the trauma that Peyton experiences has been witnessed before,
Speaker 1: and because like she's gone through so much alone, has
Speaker 1: and has hidden. And it's actually really interesting that this
Speaker 1: whole Derek storyline, you know, with you coming in Matt
Speaker 1: and then Earnest being real Derek and being a witness
Speaker 1: for Peyton, and then on prom night, you know, Brook
Speaker 1: winding up in the basement and then then being able
Speaker 1: to talk about it. It almost strikes me that it's
Speaker 1: the Derek storyline that illuminates for viewers that you can
Speaker 1: only process trauma by opening it up, by getting help,
Speaker 1: by speaking to someone, whether it's a professional or a friend.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously we talk a lot on this podcast
Speaker 1: about how we're proponents of mental healthcare and therapy, but
Speaker 1: I had never thought about it that way until you
Speaker 1: said that that that we get to really have an
Speaker 1: experience with Peyton where she is processing a trauma instead
Speaker 1: of doing what so many shows do, okay of the week,
Speaker 1: like it's all over, we wrap it up with a blow,
Speaker 1: and then we never talk about it again. And that's
Speaker 1: really profound. We made it too. I always thought that
Speaker 1: was that was part of the profound message of it.
Speaker 1: And you know that low quote like the strength of
Speaker 1: the wolf is the pack. The strength of the pack
Speaker 1: is the wolf, And how you said we don't we
Speaker 1: knew this if it's like we need each other and
Speaker 1: we're better together, especially your your best friend, like you
Speaker 1: know your your characters, and I always liked framing it
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Speaker 1: have you had a chance to play a lot of
Speaker 1: villains since then? I feel like I feel like from
Speaker 1: the first ten years of my life I played villains.
Speaker 1: Kind of feel like you did? At right? Yeah? Did you, like,
Speaker 1: what did you learn about because of the empathy you
Speaker 1: have to have for your character? And like, how I
Speaker 1: guess what have you learned about people? And how has
Speaker 1: that affected your daily interactions with I don't know, just
Speaker 1: people who feel like villains to you in your life.
Speaker 1: You know, I've always thought like, I'm not a very
Speaker 1: judgmental person, and because I think we're all like you said,
Speaker 1: we're all human. We all come in this world. We're
Speaker 1: all kind of beautiful, right, perfect creatures that in some
Speaker 1: way are conditioned or we're I'm granted, we do have
Speaker 1: the own responsibility. I'm not saying we don't, but I
Speaker 1: do think that everyone's human and we all bleed, and
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, it forced you to want
Speaker 1: to see the humanity and people and maybe just compassion
Speaker 1: is the good word, right understanding. Um, again, there's consequences
Speaker 1: and people have to own it. But I remember, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember having a friend when I was young once
Speaker 1: got killed the car wreck by a driver who was drinking.
Speaker 1: And it was like that that young man made a
Speaker 1: bad mistake, but you know he wasn't a horrible human.
Speaker 1: This is but psychoederic, But I think, like you know,
Speaker 1: he was probably a beautiful human a lot of ways
Speaker 1: that made a very very bad decision. I just thought,
Speaker 1: you know, people can't be judged by this one. I
Speaker 1: don't know, kind of singular framework. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I went, but yeah, yeah, it's that. The idea that
Speaker 1: I always come back to is you're so much more
Speaker 1: than the worst thing you've ever done, right, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think within that framework, it's really interesting to you know,
Speaker 1: as as Deb encourages Haley too in this episode, it's
Speaker 1: really interesting to find grace for people and the mistakes
Speaker 1: they've made along the way, and the versions of themselves
Speaker 1: they've they've you know, tried on and and then moved
Speaker 1: on from as they evolve. That's natural life, right, It's humanity.
Speaker 1: We grow. Nobody's perfect, and if you are, you've never
Speaker 1: gone outside. Like, I don't know what to say, right,
Speaker 1: but you know, I also think it's really interesting to
Speaker 1: figure out how to extend that kind of grace to
Speaker 1: people and yourself and figure out how to create boundaries
Speaker 1: as an individual and as a society to say, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but if if you cross so far outside the boundary,
Speaker 1: consequences have to change. Speaking of like real life implications,
Speaker 1: of this stuff. Right, I'm friends with the guy that
Speaker 1: lives in Peyton Sawyer's house, okay, and he had a
Speaker 1: baby when we were filming the show. And that baby
Speaker 1: is now like a senior in high school. She might
Speaker 1: be going to college, but she's been in high school
Speaker 1: for the last few years. And they had no idea
Speaker 1: what we filmed in this episode because that basement set
Speaker 1: was built on stage. We didn't shoot that in the house.
Speaker 1: It does it doesn't even like have a basement. I
Speaker 1: don't think it has a basement at all. Doesn't it
Speaker 1: have an attic. It's not like houses in Wilmington have
Speaker 1: like crawl spaces, a lot of historic rings too much there,
Speaker 1: you can't have basements. Yeah, they knew that, Like we
Speaker 1: did some stuff on the stairway because I think there
Speaker 1: were some dings in the woodwork because they leave, they
Speaker 1: go stay in a hotel when we filmed this stuff.
Speaker 1: So when this episode came out and they saw what
Speaker 1: happened in their quote unquote home, were like horrified. They're
Speaker 1: just like what is this? And so as their daughter
Speaker 1: grows up and knows that she lives in the Peyton's
Speaker 1: her house and starts watching the show, is like, what
Speaker 1: the hell are you talking about. Fans used to creep
Speaker 1: around the house to go and see in the basement window,
Speaker 1: which I think, right, what do you remember about that
Speaker 1: basement set? Because it was they built that like overnight.
Speaker 1: It was insane and so beautiful job it really did,
Speaker 1: you know what. I had a moment watching you guys
Speaker 1: in that first scene before I come in and you
Speaker 1: have all the lights set up, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know this is creepy, but those lights are gorgeous.
Speaker 1: One moment where I was like, Wow, the lighting department
Speaker 1: really made something. If this wasn't so gross, it would
Speaker 1: be romantic. Yeah. I remember trying to make sure I
Speaker 1: had all my lines down. I think we shot We
Speaker 1: shot a lot of that in like a day or two, right,
Speaker 1: So it was just like NonStop. It was doing play.
Speaker 1: You had so much to say it was and you
Speaker 1: was rats man, it was like a play. Wasn't that fun?
Speaker 1: I just remember I remember that too, Like as as
Speaker 1: dark as those scenes were, like you just have to
Speaker 1: kind of like said play as an actor. And I
Speaker 1: had so much fun with it. And yeah, I get
Speaker 1: self conscious about it because to your point, you and
Speaker 1: I had fun when soap came down to the party,
Speaker 1: we had fun, Like the three of us were having
Speaker 1: a really good time doing something so heightened and weird
Speaker 1: that it as we're talking about it as grown ups,
Speaker 1: it makes me nervous that we're dismissing the subject matter.
Speaker 1: But it really is the only way you get through it, though,
Speaker 1: isn't it likely long hours and really intense emotions. You
Speaker 1: kind of have to mess with yourself in that way
Speaker 1: and you have to find a way out. Like I've
Speaker 1: never been on a set where dirtier jokes are told
Speaker 1: than SPU because you need a break, like everybody is.
Speaker 1: Everybody there has like slapstick comedy down like nowhere I've
Speaker 1: ever been. It's so fun to work there, and it
Speaker 1: has to be because the subject matter is so dark
Speaker 1: that if you only focus on subject matter, you'll die.
Speaker 1: And I think that this episode was a lot like
Speaker 1: that for us, Like Hill, when you talk about how
Speaker 1: fun it was, I remember part of what was so
Speaker 1: much fun with you guys, you know, coming down to
Speaker 1: the basement, was that this entire episode essentially was stunt choreography.
Speaker 1: So even though the subject matter was horrible, the three
Speaker 1: of us were dancing all day, Like we were doing choreography,
Speaker 1: we were doing daves and things and and so, and
Speaker 1: like when we would get something right, like like Hillary
Speaker 1: when you had to like slap me and then punch me.
Speaker 1: Like when we landed that punch, we all were like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, everybody was like screaming, like it looked so good.
Speaker 1: And so it gave us it did. It gave us
Speaker 1: some levity. And I think all the physicality was what
Speaker 1: kind of protected our brains from the mental and emotional
Speaker 1: side of the subject matter getting too intense to embody.
Speaker 1: Because that's a gnarly place to be for three days.
Speaker 1: Is at seventeen hours a day, you know, that's too
Speaker 1: much for a little human. I would have asked you
Speaker 1: this back then if I had been a smarter actor
Speaker 1: years ago. But like, because you guys are doing that
Speaker 1: show every day of the week for for years, and
Speaker 1: so when you're that seems kind of a departure in tone,
Speaker 1: you could say, from a lot of stuff. So do
Speaker 1: you approach it? Do you approach it differently? Or does
Speaker 1: it feel like just another Tuesday where you're you're an
Speaker 1: actor going no, no, it felt totally different. And we
Speaker 1: had worked with Tom Wright this director on other episodes
Speaker 1: that weren't this, you know, so this felt totally totally different. Um,
Speaker 1: and I was excited because Peyton got to do that
Speaker 1: like psycho turn with Derek. But I'm telling you, Matt,
Speaker 1: we were watching those scenes back and I'm like, Matt,
Speaker 1: Matt made out like I have zero Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: bit him him and I'm amazing with him. That's right.
Speaker 1: It was Listen. I'm sorry. I think I probably thought
Speaker 1: it was a like a like this a psycho choice,
Speaker 1: this is a crazy I loved that Peyton took that
Speaker 1: term in the episode. It was so satisfying. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: then and I think right after that when you bet,
Speaker 1: it's like Derek looked so betrayed by you, you know
Speaker 1: about grounding it. He was just like, how could you
Speaker 1: do this to me? You know? I trusted that speech? Oh, Peton,
Speaker 1: like you're so disappointed. There was a moment there where
Speaker 1: you saw like the psycho Peyton and the psycho Derek,
Speaker 1: and it felt very like Natural Born Killers, and it
Speaker 1: was like, well, it'd be a spin off, like is
Speaker 1: this the thing that breaks Peyton Sawyer finally and she
Speaker 1: just becomes his you know. Briana Frankenstein Um, that could
Speaker 1: have been a fun little twist, that's right for a month. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for a little bit of that arc there was they
Speaker 1: were like well matched fighters in the ring, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: both both there when when they were on the offensive
Speaker 1: and their own wise you know, because for whatever set
Speaker 1: off your character, Peyton certainly had a whole basket of
Speaker 1: crap that could have set her off as well. It
Speaker 1: is feasible that they both could go dark. Um, because
Speaker 1: that stuff was fun, Like I remember who were getting
Speaker 1: to do that and and thinking like like Peyton's never
Speaker 1: gonna get an opportunity to do that again, Like let's
Speaker 1: let's enjoy this sandwich because it's the only thing to
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, yeah, you do you kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. I'm never thinking like I might never work
Speaker 1: again after this because everyone's but um, it is like
Speaker 1: I said, it does sound kind of morbid, but like
Speaker 1: it just was. So it's it's like playful. You're it's opportuned, right,
Speaker 1: and like from action to cut you kind of lease
Speaker 1: yourself in it because like someone said, like a horror
Speaker 1: movie there, it's ridiculous us because it's like a tennis
Speaker 1: ball or a fake monster. But you have so for
Speaker 1: those for those you know that two minute take, you
Speaker 1: are one hundred percent this is real, you know, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and we had to make some dorky things real. Okay,
Speaker 1: so good, right when Peyton guns and hides in her
Speaker 1: bedroom and puts on the boxing gloves and then proceed
Speaker 1: like baby punch Derek until he headbutzer, we're sitting here
Speaker 1: cringing because we're like, who gets up out of being
Speaker 1: tied in their basement and puts on boxing gloves? I
Speaker 1: loved it funny then to have you like but then
Speaker 1: the chair campline is just oh yeah, so funny coming
Speaker 1: down coming down the stairs at the bottom of that pyramid,
Speaker 1: like they're so in it. We had to take it
Speaker 1: so so seriously. But I buy it though, I totally
Speaker 1: buy it in a total moment of panic, and you
Speaker 1: just you say the first thing that comes to your mind,
Speaker 1: that's improv that's like and we do that in life,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're pushed to your furthest limit. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's just like, there's the boxing gloves. I know how
Speaker 1: to use those. I'm about to use them and put
Speaker 1: my gloves on all nine one, don't be crazy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's going for the phone. You know, you know what
Speaker 1: lines alway stuck on me. I've always wanted to, like hi,
Speaker 1: incept it in other roles throughout my whole career, which
Speaker 1: is they always lunge because I and then my face
Speaker 1: and it's like, ah, I just it's kind of perfect,
Speaker 1: you know, they always Well, it was the one moment
Speaker 1: of acknowledged camp in the scene, you know, like Scary
Speaker 1: movie did that so well, where on affairs would be like,
Speaker 1: oh no, I guess I'll go up the stairs, not
Speaker 1: out the front door. You know, like they would acknowledge
Speaker 1: how ridiculous horror movies were. And I liked that we
Speaker 1: in a grounded way acknowledged like he's gonna wake up.
Speaker 1: They always wake up. But it was it. We had
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Speaker 1: thought you might never work again because people would hate
Speaker 1: you so much because all you do is work. And
Speaker 1: you're like looking into us from one of your Cowboys shows.
Speaker 1: Where are you? What are you working on? Tell the
Speaker 1: people where they can find Sweet Matt because Psychoederic is gone.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I am in my uncle's like Western room,
Speaker 1: so you think I'm on my set, but yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been in Santa Fe doing a show Walker Independence, which
Speaker 1: I love him. It's um it's a prequel to the
Speaker 1: Walker Texas Rangers story, and h takes place in you know,
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds and this kind of small emerging
Speaker 1: town called Independence, Texas, and these these kind of colorful,
Speaker 1: eclectic characters and diverse characters, which is pretty cool that
Speaker 1: that live there and I play an outlaw there. He
Speaker 1: is eight year old me is very uh, very happy
Speaker 1: to go to work every day. I love it. You
Speaker 1: were you were so good in Hatfield McCoy's and I
Speaker 1: remember watching it with my husband and being like I
Speaker 1: know him, and my husband be like, you don't know him,
Speaker 1: and I'm like no, seriously, like we know him, and
Speaker 1: we had like a very intimate storyline together and we're friends,
Speaker 1: and he was like, Okay, good stories. I love for
Speaker 1: him to watch this at some point because, yeah, what
Speaker 1: you proved yourself as a cowboy in that, and now,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just living every boy's dream right now
Speaker 1: and just on a horse being I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember I remember doing a seating in Hatfields and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like riding through a little ravine with Kevin
Speaker 1: Costner and a bunch of guys and that like director
Speaker 1: says cut and he runs over. He's like, Matt, you're
Speaker 1: just grinning, like you're you know, like your brother was murder.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? And I was like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm just so happy right now. I'm having the best time.
Speaker 1: I'll stop. Stop. You're like, it's not a conscious choice,
Speaker 1: I promise, sorry, Kevin, Yeah, yeah, no, I do. I
Speaker 1: mean I guess you know, I was you know, every
Speaker 1: text and it's to be a cowboy. So it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty funny to live here. I mean, you guys, you
Speaker 1: pursued your dreams and do you love? And you got
Speaker 1: to use that little slice of Texas in this episode
Speaker 1: because when Derrek reveals that he's the one that called
Speaker 1: Peyton pending, I forgot that. I did. I forgot that.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's how I was creepy. Bro. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for like six episodes, we've been like, uh, well that's
Speaker 1: been jared up. Yeah. You want a funny little tidbit,
Speaker 1: here's something for all the viewers. Like remember when at
Speaker 1: the end of episode whenever, whenever I I I appear
Speaker 1: at the door to take you to prom and I
Speaker 1: just punched, right, I remember, like I hit the mat
Speaker 1: box And for those people who don't know, it's like
Speaker 1: this little metal they goes around the camera. It's like
Speaker 1: a little thin metal thing and I so I hit
Speaker 1: my head. It was no big deal, but it kind
Speaker 1: of bled. But like to this day, I had this
Speaker 1: scar right here, and I hadn't thought about that, and
Speaker 1: I was watching that scene. I was like, that's when
Speaker 1: I got that scar right here, when I funny Apple
Speaker 1: Hillary and I ran into the camera and cut my face.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I'm like trying to stop bleeding and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's right. You were so sweet
Speaker 1: because you're like a guest star, so you're like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to hold camera and Mat It's okay.
Speaker 1: Your face is bleeding, babe, is it. I'm gonna use it.
Speaker 1: Let's use it make an art. I love the duality
Speaker 1: of you know, that last episode for fifteen begins with
Speaker 1: Peyton punching Brook. That's like the beginning party. The episode
Speaker 1: right ends with Psychoderic punching Peyton, and those bookends were
Speaker 1: really effective. It was right. Yeah, it's violence, man, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of violence. You know again, I just thought, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all's kind of fight like confrontation scenes in the front
Speaker 1: yard where those were really well done. Those are just
Speaker 1: really really wonderful scenes. I hadn't watched those in years.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, so, yeah, when's the last time
Speaker 1: you revisited any of this? Well, I I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned I saw you guys, I'm engaged, and so I
Speaker 1: was showing. I don't think I was showing. She was
Speaker 1: looking up scenes. She's like, you know, what have you
Speaker 1: been in? And I was like, well, some people are
Speaker 1: remember me from this show, and so she was like what.
Speaker 1: So it's fun watching her watch Psychoderic kind of like here,
Speaker 1: but that's such a weird feeling when you see your
Speaker 1: partner in a role Like I was pregnant with our
Speaker 1: son before I watched my husband in The Watchman and
Speaker 1: he's a bad man. Yeah, he's like a rapist and
Speaker 1: hits women and does terrible things. And I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: pregnant with our child, like who is this person? You
Speaker 1: see a face that you love and then you're just like,
Speaker 1: oh god, this is atrocious. Um. Was she a little
Speaker 1: reserved with you? Was she reserved with you after watching
Speaker 1: you a Psychoderic? Was she a little quiet at dinner
Speaker 1: that night? She was a little bit quiet? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I ate on on her side of the
Speaker 1: bed for a couple of nights. Yeah, but but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's because, yeah, you know, as your families have grown
Speaker 1: and you guys have gotten married, a thing what do
Speaker 1: your communities feel about one tree? That's kind of a
Speaker 1: broad question, but like this is such a big part
Speaker 1: of culture and it traveled the world, and so what's
Speaker 1: it been like weird? Well, Hilary and I laugh because
Speaker 1: our husbands have never seen the show never And Tyler
Speaker 1: Hilton sent one of his like merch hats to us
Speaker 1: and it's this embroidered hat that says, I've never seen
Speaker 1: one tree hill. And one day Grant Grant grabbed a
Speaker 1: hat to like go out for a run and he
Speaker 1: comes home from Griffith Park and he was like training
Speaker 1: for a race. He's done like ten miles and he
Speaker 1: walks in the door and he goes, I ran around
Speaker 1: the whole park wearing this hat, and he was like
Speaker 1: so embarrassed, and I was like, but you have never
Speaker 1: seen it, so it would be fine if somebody saw
Speaker 1: you wearing that at right, It's kind of hilarious. It's
Speaker 1: weird that a new generation is into it, and as
Speaker 1: my Joy and I have kids that are in middle school, Like,
Speaker 1: as our kids get older and more of their friends
Speaker 1: are aware of it or it just is something that
Speaker 1: like enters their conversations. Um, this is the kind of
Speaker 1: subject matter that I'm like, oh god, I just never
Speaker 1: thought about being a parent when we filmed this stuff.
Speaker 1: Like God, when my son sees mean bite your face, Like,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a weird day. Ye do your kids?
Speaker 1: Do kids industed school? Like what? Like Maria, I think
Speaker 1: is too. I don't know. She's the kids are that
Speaker 1: are watching TV or not watching One Tree Hill at
Speaker 1: eleven and twelve right now, and you know they're you know,
Speaker 1: people who are picking it up for a little bit older, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's there are some young ones, but they have like
Speaker 1: older siblings. They have like a seventeen year sibling that
Speaker 1: has introduced them to it, and it's more of just
Speaker 1: a novelty like that lady is at the supermarket. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: she's an actress, right, But I don't think they know yet. No,
Speaker 1: they haven't watched it. You know, over the years, how
Speaker 1: many how many men have come up to me that
Speaker 1: we're you know, I'm you guys this all time. So
Speaker 1: you know, my my wife or girlfriend started One Tree
Speaker 1: Hill and then we and it's my favorite show. You know,
Speaker 1: I watched allasons and we did it over two weeks
Speaker 1: and we were obsessed. So it's pretty cool. So you
Speaker 1: still get recognized from the show all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was there for just such
Speaker 1: a moment in time with with you guys. But it's
Speaker 1: amazing how that How that's you know, I've been all
Speaker 1: over the world several continents, and people talk about it.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, people to that point. You guys, we
Speaker 1: know that we're eventually going to find out some Derek
Speaker 1: back story as a means of softening some of his behavior. Um.
Speaker 1: Not that that's right. You know, bad guys are bad guys, um,
Speaker 1: and we don't need to validate sexual assault. But I
Speaker 1: think that you were so beloved by the cast and
Speaker 1: crew of this show that they wanted to humanize Derek
Speaker 1: in a way so that when you did go away,
Speaker 1: it wasn't just um right, if you could have played
Speaker 1: any other male character on our show that was around
Speaker 1: for much longer, Like if we done to keep you
Speaker 1: for longer, is there a role that you're like I
Speaker 1: could have done that would have been Oh man, what
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do? That's that's a great question.
Speaker 1: I always as I as jealous of Um, well, I
Speaker 1: wanted I wanted uh Lee Nurse's uh sweet Um endearing charm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: mouth mouth is like you know, you'll you'll love mouth forever.
Speaker 1: I think you who who gives the note? I think
Speaker 1: Antoine told him that one of these episodes. He's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, on my tombstone, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: you know, like friend and he's like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a full funeral because everyone loves you or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love I love that line. I wanted to end
Speaker 1: Antoine's swag. Yeah. Yeah, he's so cool in the world.
Speaker 1: It's like I need my kids to like hang out
Speaker 1: with him and be like, this is confident. M hm um.
Speaker 1: I don't know that's that. That's a good question. You
Speaker 1: would have been a rivercourt boy then? Yeah, how was that?
Speaker 1: By the way, when you guys all got together with
Speaker 1: there was a basketball game. I saw How cool was that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a convention in Wilmington, and those things are
Speaker 1: so nice because it's like, I don't know that any
Speaker 1: other show gets the opportunity to go back to the
Speaker 1: place that they filmed and be with all of their
Speaker 1: casting crew, because a lot of the crew shows up
Speaker 1: as well, and be with the fan base in the
Speaker 1: places where we filmed like that's a really rare experience. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's trippy. Man. Sometimes you feel like you're at your
Speaker 1: own funeral when you're at a convention because everyone's like,
Speaker 1: you met so much to me, and you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: still I'm still kicking y'all. Y'all might have nuts you.
Speaker 1: I remember being a woman's in to film another show
Speaker 1: years later for like, you know, a year, let's say it.
Speaker 1: I just mirror like it felt like the ghost of
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh my god, this is where
Speaker 1: this and this is the court and this is the
Speaker 1: house and you know, I think those where you lived. Hillary.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh yeah, I remember all these memories.
Speaker 1: It's very really very special, you know. So it's cool.
Speaker 1: What are some dreams as an actor for you, like
Speaker 1: in the future when you look at types of characters
Speaker 1: you want to play or projects you want to be
Speaker 1: a part of. What's what excite you? That's a great
Speaker 1: that's such a great question. Um. I love I love
Speaker 1: true stories and I love reading. So you know, just
Speaker 1: different different different types of nonfiction. You know, I love
Speaker 1: periods or rather civil war you know. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: I love I love World War two. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: different stories. So I'm but but my my biggest dream
Speaker 1: is I always have loved you know this might be
Speaker 1: surprised people, but like like I love, um, I love
Speaker 1: romance movies. I love like rom coms. Oh my god, yeah,
Speaker 1: like like great love stories like I want to I
Speaker 1: want to do another great love story about you know,
Speaker 1: you know you are so Nicholas Sparks. I can't you
Speaker 1: need to shoot a movie here in the outer Banks
Speaker 1: and sweep someone up in some you know, dune mass.
Speaker 1: I will go to a rom com with you anytime.
Speaker 1: I spent my entire hall at a break just jamming
Speaker 1: through the Julia Robertson Hugh Grant catalog. I am brimming
Speaker 1: with rum comm entergy right now. So we don't we
Speaker 1: don't make them. I think, I know and why they're
Speaker 1: the best movies I know, and I think like everyone
Speaker 1: loves them and they're just inspiring and it's it's the
Speaker 1: opposite of yeah, tied someone up in the basement happened,
Speaker 1: I was Here's this is gonna sound so inappropriate. But
Speaker 1: I'm a big girl, Like I'm a tall girl, and
Speaker 1: no one ever, um, I'm not an easy girl to
Speaker 1: pick up and see Derek like like put his arm
Speaker 1: around Peyton's waist and pick her up right in the chair.
Speaker 1: There is a part of that where I was like,
Speaker 1: oh gosh, like, apply to a romantic setting hot, appet
Speaker 1: not hot. I want you to take the skill set
Speaker 1: you have and apply it to a hot scenario. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what needs to happen. Into it, very into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. Oh my gosh, Matt, thank you. So
Speaker 1: m yes, all right, we're going to find Joy's friends
Speaker 1: with Nicholas Sparks. Joy, you got to find the right
Speaker 1: Nicholas Sparks book for Matt to be the lead man. Yeah, Matt,
Speaker 1: thank you. You're such a pleasure. You're such a joy.
Speaker 1: Do you want to spin a wheel with us? Great? Guy? Okay, great,
Speaker 1: let's do it. We like to do superlatives, so we
Speaker 1: do them most likely to every week, and we spin
Speaker 1: a wheel and we find out, oh, who is the
Speaker 1: most likely to take all of their and your secrets
Speaker 1: to the grave. We have to pick character. Ye're no,
Speaker 1: it's just anybody from the show, So any cast member
Speaker 1: really like real person, and then any character We picked
Speaker 1: one of each, so most likely to take your secrets
Speaker 1: to the grave. M I feel like I mean, Hillary,
Speaker 1: I tell you all my secrets. Yeah, like I love.
Speaker 1: In this episode, Mouth has told Shelley like, you know,
Speaker 1: just like an episode ago, he's like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: tell anybody we had sex. Never tell anybody had sex.
Speaker 1: And then in this episode he tells Rachel like right away,
Speaker 1: We're like, Mouth, you weren't supposed to do that, man, Um,
Speaker 1: I think the character that would take your secrets to
Speaker 1: the grave. Wow, we've got this little creepy cell phone
Speaker 1: situation with Alison Scagliotti in the hallways. She's been keeping
Speaker 1: some secrets. Oh my goodness, what do you think, Matt,
Speaker 1: who's gonna keep your secrets? I would say to you, Hillary,
Speaker 1: I think I think I think you would ride and
Speaker 1: die with those with those secrets, I can neither confirm
Speaker 1: nor deny because of my I'm just gonna sit on everything.
Speaker 1: I'll write a book about that when we're really old.
Speaker 1: Like that was the big complaint when I put out
Speaker 1: Rural Diaries, as people are like, there's nothing about one
Speaker 1: tree hill in here, and I'm like, yeah, because I
Speaker 1: have to keep that the secret. Sorry. Kids, you're like
Speaker 1: the thing called a pact? Yeah right, Matt, Okay, will
Speaker 1: you let me know when you're visiting your fiance in
Speaker 1: New York, and we'll go. We'll go start some rumors.
Speaker 1: People will be like SoC jerks on the sidewalk. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, we must. Let's stir up some stirrups from trouble.
Speaker 1: Let's break the internet. That would be great. Let's do it, Matt, great,
Speaker 1: Thanks for having all right, bye, Harley by, have a
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