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Speaker 1: never been on a set where dirtier jokes are told

425
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: than SPU because you need a break, like everybody is.

426
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: Everybody there has like slapstick comedy down like nowhere I've

427
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: ever been. It's so fun to work there, and it

428
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: has to be because the subject matter is so dark

429
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: that if you only focus on subject matter, you'll die.

430
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: And I think that this episode was a lot like

431
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: that for us, Like Hill, when you talk about how

432
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 1: fun it was, I remember part of what was so

433
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: much fun with you guys, you know, coming down to

434
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 1: the basement, was that this entire episode essentially was stunt choreography.

435
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: So even though the subject matter was horrible, the three

436
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: of us were dancing all day, Like we were doing choreography,

437
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: we were doing daves and things and and so, and

438
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: like when we would get something right, like like Hillary

439
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: when you had to like slap me and then punch me.

440
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: Like when we landed that punch, we all were like,

441
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: oh yeah, everybody was like screaming, like it looked so good.

442
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: And so it gave us it did. It gave us

443
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: some levity. And I think all the physicality was what

444
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: kind of protected our brains from the mental and emotional

445
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 1: side of the subject matter getting too intense to embody.

446
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: Because that's a gnarly place to be for three days.

447
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: Is at seventeen hours a day, you know, that's too

448
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: much for a little human. I would have asked you

449
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: this back then if I had been a smarter actor

450
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: years ago. But like, because you guys are doing that

451
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: show every day of the week for for years, and

452
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: so when you're that seems kind of a departure in tone,

453
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: you could say, from a lot of stuff. So do

454
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: you approach it? Do you approach it differently? Or does

455
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: it feel like just another Tuesday where you're you're an

456
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: actor going no, no, it felt totally different. And we

457
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: had worked with Tom Wright this director on other episodes

458
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 1: that weren't this, you know, so this felt totally totally different. Um,

459
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: and I was excited because Peyton got to do that

460
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: like psycho turn with Derek. But I'm telling you, Matt,

461
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: we were watching those scenes back and I'm like, Matt,

462
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: Matt made out like I have zero Yeah, yeah, I

463
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 1: bit him him and I'm amazing with him. That's right.

464
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: It was Listen. I'm sorry. I think I probably thought

465
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 1: it was a like a like this a psycho choice,

466
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: this is a crazy I loved that Peyton took that

467
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: term in the episode. It was so satisfying. Yeah. And

468
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: then and I think right after that when you bet,

469
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: it's like Derek looked so betrayed by you, you know

470
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: about grounding it. He was just like, how could you

471
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: do this to me? You know? I trusted that speech? Oh, Peton,

472
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: like you're so disappointed. There was a moment there where

473
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: you saw like the psycho Peyton and the psycho Derek,

474
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: and it felt very like Natural Born Killers, and it

475
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: was like, well, it'd be a spin off, like is

476
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: this the thing that breaks Peyton Sawyer finally and she

477
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: just becomes his you know. Briana Frankenstein Um, that could

478
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: have been a fun little twist, that's right for a month. Yeah,

479
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: for a little bit of that arc there was they

480
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: were like well matched fighters in the ring, you know. Yeah,

481
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: both both there when when they were on the offensive

482
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: and their own wise you know, because for whatever set

483
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: off your character, Peyton certainly had a whole basket of

484
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: crap that could have set her off as well. It

485
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: is feasible that they both could go dark. Um, because

486
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: that stuff was fun, Like I remember who were getting

487
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: to do that and and thinking like like Peyton's never

488
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: gonna get an opportunity to do that again, Like let's

489
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: let's enjoy this sandwich because it's the only thing to

490
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, yeah, you do you kind of yeah,

491
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: you're right. I'm never thinking like I might never work

492
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: again after this because everyone's but um, it is like

493
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: I said, it does sound kind of morbid, but like

494
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 1: it just was. So it's it's like playful. You're it's opportuned, right,

495
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: and like from action to cut you kind of lease

496
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: yourself in it because like someone said, like a horror

497
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: movie there, it's ridiculous us because it's like a tennis

498
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: ball or a fake monster. But you have so for

499
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: those for those you know that two minute take, you

500
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: are one hundred percent this is real, you know, so yeah, yeah,

501
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: and we had to make some dorky things real. Okay,

502
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: so good, right when Peyton guns and hides in her

503
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: bedroom and puts on the boxing gloves and then proceed

504
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: like baby punch Derek until he headbutzer, we're sitting here

505
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: cringing because we're like, who gets up out of being

506
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: tied in their basement and puts on boxing gloves? I

507
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: loved it funny then to have you like but then

508
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: the chair campline is just oh yeah, so funny coming

509
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: down coming down the stairs at the bottom of that pyramid,

510
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: like they're so in it. We had to take it

511
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: so so seriously. But I buy it though, I totally

512
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: buy it in a total moment of panic, and you

513
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: just you say the first thing that comes to your mind,

514
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: that's improv that's like and we do that in life,

515
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, when you're pushed to your furthest limit. Sometimes

516
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: it's just like, there's the boxing gloves. I know how

517
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: to use those. I'm about to use them and put

518
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: my gloves on all nine one, don't be crazy? Yeah,

519
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: who's going for the phone. You know, you know what

520
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: lines alway stuck on me. I've always wanted to, like hi,

521
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: incept it in other roles throughout my whole career, which

522
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: is they always lunge because I and then my face

523
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: and it's like, ah, I just it's kind of perfect,

524
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, they always Well, it was the one moment

525
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: of acknowledged camp in the scene, you know, like Scary

526
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: movie did that so well, where on affairs would be like,

527
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: oh no, I guess I'll go up the stairs, not

528
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: out the front door. You know, like they would acknowledge

529
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: how ridiculous horror movies were. And I liked that we

530
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: in a grounded way acknowledged like he's gonna wake up.

531
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: They always wake up. But it was it. We had

532
00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: earned it at that moment, you know, Yeah, hey everyone,

533
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: it's Dean Unglert and Kaylan Miller Keys and Jared Hey,

534
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Speaker 1: butN I'm here. I'm here too, guys, hosts of the

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536
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Speaker 1: guess we just don't suck at dating anymore. No, I

537
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Speaker 1: mean you're newlyweds. I am not a newlywed anymore. Yeah,

538
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Speaker 1: I'm curious if I sucked at being a newlywed. I

539
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Speaker 1: don't think so. I mean I made it to the altar,

540
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Speaker 1: and I am so happy to be joining you guys.

541
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543
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544
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545
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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be hosting a podcast with my

546
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Speaker 1: soon to be wife and of course my best friend Jared.

547
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Speaker 1: How's it going to make you feel working together? Now?

548
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Speaker 1: You guys live together, we're together, gonna get married. Yeah,

549
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Speaker 1: if you All Are Nostalgic for the nineties. We just

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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen

564
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Speaker 1: to podcasts. I also just love hearing you say you

565
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: thought you might never work again because people would hate

566
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: you so much because all you do is work. And

567
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: you're like looking into us from one of your Cowboys shows.

568
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: Where are you? What are you working on? Tell the

569
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: people where they can find Sweet Matt because Psychoederic is gone.

570
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: It's funny. I am in my uncle's like Western room,

571
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: so you think I'm on my set, but yeah, I've

572
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: been in Santa Fe doing a show Walker Independence, which

573
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: I love him. It's um it's a prequel to the

574
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: Walker Texas Rangers story, and h takes place in you know,

575
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: the late eighteen hundreds and this kind of small emerging

576
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: town called Independence, Texas, and these these kind of colorful,

577
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: eclectic characters and diverse characters, which is pretty cool that

578
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: that live there and I play an outlaw there. He

579
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: is eight year old me is very uh, very happy

580
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: to go to work every day. I love it. You

581
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: were you were so good in Hatfield McCoy's and I

582
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: remember watching it with my husband and being like I

583
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: know him, and my husband be like, you don't know him,

584
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like no, seriously, like we know him, and

585
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: we had like a very intimate storyline together and we're friends,

586
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: and he was like, Okay, good stories. I love for

587
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: him to watch this at some point because, yeah, what

588
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: you proved yourself as a cowboy in that, and now,

589
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just living every boy's dream right now

590
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: and just on a horse being I feel like, yeah,

591
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: I remember I remember doing a seating in Hatfields and

592
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like riding through a little ravine with Kevin

593
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: Costner and a bunch of guys and that like director

594
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: says cut and he runs over. He's like, Matt, you're

595
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: just grinning, like you're you know, like your brother was murder.

596
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: What are you doing? And I was like, I'm sorry,

597
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm just so happy right now. I'm having the best time.

598
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: I'll stop. Stop. You're like, it's not a conscious choice,

599
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: I promise, sorry, Kevin, Yeah, yeah, no, I do. I

600
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: mean I guess you know, I was you know, every

601
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: text and it's to be a cowboy. So it's it's

602
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: pretty funny to live here. I mean, you guys, you

603
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: pursued your dreams and do you love? And you got

604
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: to use that little slice of Texas in this episode

605
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: because when Derrek reveals that he's the one that called

606
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: Peyton pending, I forgot that. I did. I forgot that.

607
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: That's right, That's how I was creepy. Bro. Yeah. Yeah,

608
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 1: for like six episodes, we've been like, uh, well that's

609
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: been jared up. Yeah. You want a funny little tidbit,

610
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: here's something for all the viewers. Like remember when at

611
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: the end of episode whenever, whenever I I I appear

612
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: at the door to take you to prom and I

613
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: just punched, right, I remember, like I hit the mat

614
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: box And for those people who don't know, it's like

615
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: this little metal they goes around the camera. It's like

616
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: a little thin metal thing and I so I hit

617
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: my head. It was no big deal, but it kind

618
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: of bled. But like to this day, I had this

619
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: scar right here, and I hadn't thought about that, and

620
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: I was watching that scene. I was like, that's when

621
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: I got that scar right here, when I funny Apple

622
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Hillary and I ran into the camera and cut my face.

623
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I'm like trying to stop bleeding and stuff.

624
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's right. You were so sweet

625
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: because you're like a guest star, so you're like, no,

626
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: I don't want to hold camera and Mat It's okay.

627
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: Your face is bleeding, babe, is it. I'm gonna use it.

628
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: Let's use it make an art. I love the duality

629
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: of you know, that last episode for fifteen begins with

630
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: Peyton punching Brook. That's like the beginning party. The episode

631
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: right ends with Psychoderic punching Peyton, and those bookends were

632
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: really effective. It was right. Yeah, it's violence, man, it's

633
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Speaker 1: a lot of violence. You know again, I just thought, y'all,

634
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: y'all's kind of fight like confrontation scenes in the front

635
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: yard where those were really well done. Those are just

636
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: really really wonderful scenes. I hadn't watched those in years.

637
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well, so, yeah, when's the last time

638
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: you revisited any of this? Well, I I think I

639
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: mentioned I saw you guys, I'm engaged, and so I

640
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: was showing. I don't think I was showing. She was

641
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: looking up scenes. She's like, you know, what have you

642
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: been in? And I was like, well, some people are

643
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: remember me from this show, and so she was like what.

644
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: So it's fun watching her watch Psychoderic kind of like here,

645
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: but that's such a weird feeling when you see your

646
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: partner in a role Like I was pregnant with our

647
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: son before I watched my husband in The Watchman and

648
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: he's a bad man. Yeah, he's like a rapist and

649
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: hits women and does terrible things. And I'm sitting there

650
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: pregnant with our child, like who is this person? You

651
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: see a face that you love and then you're just like,

652
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: oh god, this is atrocious. Um. Was she a little

653
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: reserved with you? Was she reserved with you after watching

654
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: you a Psychoderic? Was she a little quiet at dinner

655
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: that night? She was a little bit quiet? Yeah? Yeah,

656
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: I think I ate on on her side of the

657
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: bed for a couple of nights. Yeah, but but yeah, no,

658
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: it's because, yeah, you know, as your families have grown

659
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: and you guys have gotten married, a thing what do

660
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: your communities feel about one tree? That's kind of a

661
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: broad question, but like this is such a big part

662
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: of culture and it traveled the world, and so what's

663
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: it been like weird? Well, Hilary and I laugh because

664
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: our husbands have never seen the show never And Tyler

665
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: Hilton sent one of his like merch hats to us

666
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 1: and it's this embroidered hat that says, I've never seen

667
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: one tree hill. And one day Grant Grant grabbed a

668
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: hat to like go out for a run and he

669
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: comes home from Griffith Park and he was like training

670
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: for a race. He's done like ten miles and he

671
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: walks in the door and he goes, I ran around

672
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: the whole park wearing this hat, and he was like

673
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: so embarrassed, and I was like, but you have never

674
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: seen it, so it would be fine if somebody saw

675
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: you wearing that at right, It's kind of hilarious. It's

676
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: weird that a new generation is into it, and as

677
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: my Joy and I have kids that are in middle school, Like,

678
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: as our kids get older and more of their friends

679
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: are aware of it or it just is something that

680
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: like enters their conversations. Um, this is the kind of

681
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: subject matter that I'm like, oh god, I just never

682
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: thought about being a parent when we filmed this stuff.

683
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: Like God, when my son sees mean bite your face, Like,

684
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a weird day. Ye do your kids?

685
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: Do kids industed school? Like what? Like Maria, I think

686
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: is too. I don't know. She's the kids are that

687
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: are watching TV or not watching One Tree Hill at

688
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: eleven and twelve right now, and you know they're you know,

689
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: people who are picking it up for a little bit older, right, Yeah, yeah,

690
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: it's there are some young ones, but they have like

691
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: older siblings. They have like a seventeen year sibling that

692
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: has introduced them to it, and it's more of just

693
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: a novelty like that lady is at the supermarket. Yeah right,

694
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 1: she's an actress, right, But I don't think they know yet. No,

695
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: they haven't watched it. You know, over the years, how

696
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: many how many men have come up to me that

697
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: we're you know, I'm you guys this all time. So

698
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, my my wife or girlfriend started One Tree

699
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Hill and then we and it's my favorite show. You know,

700
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: I watched allasons and we did it over two weeks

701
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: and we were obsessed. So it's pretty cool. So you

702
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: still get recognized from the show all the time. Yeah,

703
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: you know, I was. I was there for just such

704
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: a moment in time with with you guys. But it's

705
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: amazing how that How that's you know, I've been all

706
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: over the world several continents, and people talk about it.

707
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, people to that point. You guys, we

708
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: know that we're eventually going to find out some Derek

709
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: back story as a means of softening some of his behavior. Um.

710
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: Not that that's right. You know, bad guys are bad guys, um,

711
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: and we don't need to validate sexual assault. But I

712
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: think that you were so beloved by the cast and

713
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: crew of this show that they wanted to humanize Derek

714
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: in a way so that when you did go away,

715
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: it wasn't just um right, if you could have played

716
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: any other male character on our show that was around

717
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: for much longer, Like if we done to keep you

718
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: for longer, is there a role that you're like I

719
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: could have done that would have been Oh man, what

720
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do? That's that's a great question.

721
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: I always as I as jealous of Um, well, I

722
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: wanted I wanted uh Lee Nurse's uh sweet Um endearing charm. Yeah,

723
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 1: mouth mouth is like you know, you'll you'll love mouth forever.

724
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: I think you who who gives the note? I think

725
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: Antoine told him that one of these episodes. He's like,

726
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, on my tombstone, there's gonna be

727
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: you know, like friend and he's like it's gonna be

728
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: a full funeral because everyone loves you or something like that. Yeah,

729
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: I love I love that line. I wanted to end

730
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: Antoine's swag. Yeah. Yeah, he's so cool in the world.

731
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: It's like I need my kids to like hang out

732
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: with him and be like, this is confident. M hm um.

733
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't know that's that. That's a good question. You

734
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: would have been a rivercourt boy then? Yeah, how was that?

735
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: By the way, when you guys all got together with

736
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: there was a basketball game. I saw How cool was that? Yeah,

737
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: there was a convention in Wilmington, and those things are

738
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: so nice because it's like, I don't know that any

739
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: other show gets the opportunity to go back to the

740
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: place that they filmed and be with all of their

741
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: casting crew, because a lot of the crew shows up

742
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: as well, and be with the fan base in the

743
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: places where we filmed like that's a really rare experience. Yeah,

744
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: it's trippy. Man. Sometimes you feel like you're at your

745
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: own funeral when you're at a convention because everyone's like,

746
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: you met so much to me, and you're like, I'm

747
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: still I'm still kicking y'all. Y'all might have nuts you.

748
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: I remember being a woman's in to film another show

749
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: years later for like, you know, a year, let's say it.

750
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: I just mirror like it felt like the ghost of

751
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh my god, this is where

752
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: this and this is the court and this is the

753
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: house and you know, I think those where you lived. Hillary.

754
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: It was like, oh yeah, I remember all these memories.

755
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: It's very really very special, you know. So it's cool.

756
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: What are some dreams as an actor for you, like

757
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 1: in the future when you look at types of characters

758
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: you want to play or projects you want to be

759
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: a part of. What's what excite you? That's a great

760
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: that's such a great question. Um. I love I love

761
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: true stories and I love reading. So you know, just

762
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: different different different types of nonfiction. You know, I love

763
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: periods or rather civil war you know. Um, you know,

764
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: I love I love World War two. Um, you know,

765
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: different stories. So I'm but but my my biggest dream

766
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: is I always have loved you know this might be

767
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: surprised people, but like like I love, um, I love

768
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: romance movies. I love like rom coms. Oh my god, yeah,

769
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: like like great love stories like I want to I

770
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: want to do another great love story about you know,

771
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: you know you are so Nicholas Sparks. I can't you

772
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 1: need to shoot a movie here in the outer Banks

773
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: and sweep someone up in some you know, dune mass.

774
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: I will go to a rom com with you anytime.

775
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: I spent my entire hall at a break just jamming

776
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: through the Julia Robertson Hugh Grant catalog. I am brimming

777
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: with rum comm entergy right now. So we don't we

778
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: don't make them. I think, I know and why they're

779
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: the best movies I know, and I think like everyone

780
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: loves them and they're just inspiring and it's it's the

781
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: opposite of yeah, tied someone up in the basement happened,

782
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: I was Here's this is gonna sound so inappropriate. But

783
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: I'm a big girl, Like I'm a tall girl, and

784
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: no one ever, um, I'm not an easy girl to

785
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: pick up and see Derek like like put his arm

786
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 1: around Peyton's waist and pick her up right in the chair.

787
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: There is a part of that where I was like,

788
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: oh gosh, like, apply to a romantic setting hot, appet

789
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: not hot. I want you to take the skill set

790
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 1: you have and apply it to a hot scenario. Yeah,

791
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 1: that's what needs to happen. Into it, very into it.

792
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right. Oh my gosh, Matt, thank you. So

793
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: m yes, all right, we're going to find Joy's friends

794
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: with Nicholas Sparks. Joy, you got to find the right

795
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: Nicholas Sparks book for Matt to be the lead man. Yeah, Matt,

796
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: thank you. You're such a pleasure. You're such a joy.

797
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: Do you want to spin a wheel with us? Great? Guy? Okay, great,

798
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: let's do it. We like to do superlatives, so we

799
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: do them most likely to every week, and we spin

800
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: a wheel and we find out, oh, who is the

801
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: most likely to take all of their and your secrets

802
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: to the grave. We have to pick character. Ye're no,

803
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: it's just anybody from the show, So any cast member

804
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: really like real person, and then any character We picked

805
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: one of each, so most likely to take your secrets

806
00:44:54,280 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: to the grave. M I feel like I mean, Hillary,

807
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 1: I tell you all my secrets. Yeah, like I love.

808
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: In this episode, Mouth has told Shelley like, you know,

809
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: just like an episode ago, he's like, I'm not gonna

810
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: tell anybody we had sex. Never tell anybody had sex.

811
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: And then in this episode he tells Rachel like right away,

812
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: We're like, Mouth, you weren't supposed to do that, man, Um,

813
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: I think the character that would take your secrets to

814
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: the grave. Wow, we've got this little creepy cell phone

815
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: situation with Alison Scagliotti in the hallways. She's been keeping

816
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: some secrets. Oh my goodness, what do you think, Matt,

817
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: who's gonna keep your secrets? I would say to you, Hillary,

818
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 1: I think I think I think you would ride and

819
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: die with those with those secrets, I can neither confirm

820
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: nor deny because of my I'm just gonna sit on everything.

821
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: I'll write a book about that when we're really old.

822
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: Like that was the big complaint when I put out

823
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: Rural Diaries, as people are like, there's nothing about one

824
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: tree hill in here, and I'm like, yeah, because I

825
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: have to keep that the secret. Sorry. Kids, you're like

826
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: the thing called a pact? Yeah right, Matt, Okay, will

827
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: you let me know when you're visiting your fiance in

828
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: New York, and we'll go. We'll go start some rumors.

829
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 1: People will be like SoC jerks on the sidewalk. Oh

830
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,280
Speaker 1: my god, we must. Let's stir up some stirrups from trouble.

831
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,919
Speaker 1: Let's break the internet. That would be great. Let's do it, Matt, great,

832
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for having all right, bye, Harley by, have a

833
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,480
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Speaker 1: Queen's Drama Queens