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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she

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Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and

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Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me

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Speaker 1: You know. He'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs and industry

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Speaker 1: my man, Rashan McDonald money Making Conversations. Here we come.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, ra

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Speaker 1: Sean McDonald, and it's time to stop reading other people's

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Speaker 1: success stories and start writing you on. I always tell

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Speaker 1: people leave with your gifts and don't let your age, friends, family,

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Speaker 1: or coworkers stop you from planning or living your dream.

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Speaker 1: My interviews that I do on Money Making Conversations provide

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Speaker 1: the consumer and business owner access to celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs

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Speaker 1: and industry decision makers. I got my next guests her book.

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Speaker 1: It's what I say every time I start this show.

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Speaker 1: Don't let your aid, age, friends, family or co workers

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Speaker 1: stop you from planning or living your dreams, no matter

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Speaker 1: who you are, how you think, how they how you,

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Speaker 1: how they think you should look. This is what a

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Speaker 1: book all. My next kiss is I call a Kiky

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Speaker 1: care Or shared Kelly LA's to my interview that she

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Speaker 1: wasn't killing but that's all right, that's how right. She's

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Speaker 1: Grammy winner, Stellar Award winning artist actress. She portrayed her

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Speaker 1: mother in the Lifetime biopic The Clark Sisters. First Ladies

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Speaker 1: of Gospel is his Lifetime's highest rated movies since sixteen.

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Speaker 1: And she's an entrepreneur. Her company Eleve and sixty a

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Speaker 1: very successful clothing line for four figured women, and now

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Speaker 1: Arthur Big, Bold and Beautiful owning the Woman God made

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Speaker 1: you two be. It is an inspirational memoir book for

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Speaker 1: your mind, body, spirit, and if you're an entrepreneur your business,

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Speaker 1: please welcome the money making conversation. She's my friend, ki

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Speaker 1: Ki care shared Kelly, how you doing, my friend? I

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Speaker 1: am doing well? How are you well? I'm excited. You know,

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Speaker 1: I always get excited talking to you because you're an

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Speaker 1: inspiration to me. I have a twenty three year old daughter,

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Speaker 1: for you the people in her peer group, you know,

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Speaker 1: because you're she looked up to you. She follows you.

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Speaker 1: She she finds uh, your unblinding faith, your your ability

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Speaker 1: I'm always excited and she gets excited. So her name

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Speaker 1: is Christianity McDonald's. But thank you. Now let's talk about

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Speaker 1: this book. Before we talk about book, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: now that the movie been out. You know, because when

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Speaker 1: had a year of the movie being out. How has

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Speaker 1: that transformed your life? The movie I'm talking about is

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Speaker 1: The Clark's Sisters First Ladies of Gospel. Well, it has

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Speaker 1: changed my life in so many ways. One way is

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Speaker 1: when I go to the store now it seem like

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Speaker 1: me as Karen or calling me Karen. So it has

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Speaker 1: you know, they told a story about your grandmother, told

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Speaker 1: gotta have the people, because you know, it was funny

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Speaker 1: when you were talking about Courtney. I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: my ride to die? Dude, who is that person? So

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Speaker 1: you made me sit back and go, okay, Mr Successful,

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Speaker 1: who is your courtney? Because you gotta have a coordiney.

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Speaker 1: You gotta have somebody to call when you down, because

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Speaker 1: you go have down days, you have doubtful days. Who

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Speaker 1: was that person? But more importantly, that led you to

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Speaker 1: become an entrepreneur And that's where you had, you know,

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Speaker 1: your your other girls, stepping in, your travel, made with

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Speaker 1: all over the world, career, everything for your business, and

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Speaker 1: was sitting right there with you at Macy's launching your

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Speaker 1: didn't know what you were really doing, but you did it.

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Speaker 1: That's the faith. But there was also having somebody support

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Speaker 1: your dream. Talk about that. It's so important. And I've

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Speaker 1: been in a space where I've had people around that

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Speaker 1: were there, you know, just by work and happenstance, but

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Speaker 1: they weren't really in my corner. They didn't understand my

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Speaker 1: vision um and it's like, you know, okay, how do

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Speaker 1: we collaborate together? How are we? You know, life partners

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Speaker 1: is not just in the marriage and has everything to

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Speaker 1: to do with your purpose. When you make decisions in

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Speaker 1: your work or in your career, it shouldn't feel like work.

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Speaker 1: It should feel like fun, like I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 1: living on purpose. This is just what I'm called to do.

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Speaker 1: You and I think that when you're prayerful and asking

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Speaker 1: God Lord, give me this sense of dissernment so I

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Speaker 1: can know who is assigned to me and who's supposed

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Speaker 1: to walk this journey for me or with me, Because

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Speaker 1: there are expiration dates on some relationships and connections that

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Speaker 1: we have. But if we don't respect them, then we'll

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Speaker 1: get exasperated, we can become sick. It's like if we

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Speaker 1: eventually it will make us sick. Our bodies won't respond

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Speaker 1: well to it. And so it's the same thing with people.

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Speaker 1: So you said it again from reading the book, but

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Speaker 1: it's so important to make sure that tribe and I

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Speaker 1: talk about it again twice. So it was squad goes

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Speaker 1: and then there was another chapter called finding your tribe.

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Speaker 1: When you're going out into the earth, you it's not

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Speaker 1: you can't fight everything. You need somebody to have your back.

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Speaker 1: And so those names that you called, they're simply women

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Speaker 1: who I have said. It's family. And you know what,

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Speaker 1: if you allow me as a woman of faith, I'm

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Speaker 1: always giving scripture. But there's a scripture that says, um,

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Speaker 1: I will give you a friend that is closer than

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Speaker 1: the brother. That wasn't Jesus that they were talking about.

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Speaker 1: They were talking about human beings, and so I think

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Speaker 1: we should understand that covenant relationships are ordained by Heaven

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Speaker 1: and God loves us through people. But it's just a

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Speaker 1: matter of who are the people were saying yes to.

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Speaker 1: Because the adversary the appoint the opponent that he also

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Speaker 1: uses people. So make sure you say yes to the

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Speaker 1: right people. Wow, you know, um nothink that I expected

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Speaker 1: this from you. Uh. And the don't apologize. Uh, It's

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Speaker 1: been an inspirational but the the whole prospect, though, would

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Speaker 1: you say, is faith? When you was at Macy's with Shamika,

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Speaker 1: your girl, you're you're rider die career, you know, Dubai.

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Speaker 1: I'm just we're just calling out some countries that y'all

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Speaker 1: went to, you know, in West Africa. You know. Just

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Speaker 1: let you know, you boy read the book, you know,

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Speaker 1: just this cause you thought I was stumbling. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not reading nothing. I'm not reading nothing. I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: just I'm just coming from you know, God's memory. That's all.

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Speaker 1: That's all I'm doing. Called god'send right here, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much. I think it was it was a It

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Speaker 1: was a faith piece for sure, because um it, I

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Speaker 1: looked at it as spam when my cousin Kesha sent

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Speaker 1: it to me, I was like, girl, you know how

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Speaker 1: they send those chain text messages and they say signed

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Speaker 1: up for this, and I'm like, I'm not signing up

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Speaker 1: for this, Like it was just like whatever. So I

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Speaker 1: really wasn't expecting every opportunity, even this book opportunity, if

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Speaker 1: you allow me to use that as a reference point.

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Speaker 1: The opportunity was in an email account that I just

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Speaker 1: had put aside for spam. But something told me, and

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Speaker 1: you know again, excuse me. I'm a church girl. So

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Speaker 1: you know how the scene the season saying, they say, girl,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't something that was the whole a goals. But

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Speaker 1: something told me to go and check the email and

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Speaker 1: here I am bumping into a book opportunity. And so

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Speaker 1: I definitely think it was divine. But I think and

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Speaker 1: I believe, that God uses people to hand you what

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Speaker 1: belongs to you, that he gives you those moments. And

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Speaker 1: that's why I said it in that chapter, Um, God

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Speaker 1: I mean believe me when I say they put in

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Speaker 1: the hard work and it has everything to do with

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Speaker 1: where we're going and where we are. But sometimes God

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Speaker 1: does things so that only he can get the glory.

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Speaker 1: And so I will say, you know, God took me there,

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Speaker 1: but there was some other moments where I had to

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Speaker 1: you gotta put action to your faith so you can

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Speaker 1: believe a thing. But what you're gonna do when you

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Speaker 1: get there? So a lot of us are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: things that are colliding together, and it is my faith

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Speaker 1: I rarely I have interviews whereas a motivational This motivational

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Speaker 1: What do I pass to play? What do I pass

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Speaker 1: But more importantly, you've written an amazing book, big, bold

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Speaker 1: It's not about what people think of you now, it's

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Speaker 1: who what do you think of yourself? And that's what

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Speaker 1: but they're also decision makers because they changed our views.

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Speaker 1: The next guest Erica Alexander and Whitney Dow. They've teamed

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Speaker 1: up for a new podcast that explores the full picture

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Speaker 1: of reparations with arguments both for and against restitution for

643
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Speaker 1: Black American descendants of enslaved people. Let's as the stage

644
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Speaker 1: for our conversation that's been discussed reparations. Eric Alexander is

645
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Speaker 1: beloved for iconic acting roses, living single get out series

646
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Speaker 1: like Black Lightning, She Wears Me the Hats. Now known

647
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Speaker 1: as an actress, but in the trail blazing activist, entrepreneur, creator, producer,

648
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Speaker 1: and director. Basically she's an all around boss. Whitney Dow

649
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Speaker 1: He's in the winning filmmaker and educator. He's been producing

650
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Speaker 1: and directing films focused on race and identity for almost

651
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Speaker 1: two decades and as partner of a Two Tone Productions.

652
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Speaker 1: Directing credits include one, I'm very familiar with Two Towns

653
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Speaker 1: of Jasper, I sit where I want the legacy of

654
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Speaker 1: Brown versus Board of Education, Unfinished Country, and when the

655
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Speaker 1: Drama is beating. His producer credits include Freedom, Summer Banished,

656
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Speaker 1: How White you drove Blacks out of town in America?

657
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Speaker 1: Please welcome, I've set the tone. He's the general. Please

658
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Speaker 1: work in the money making conversation to host the reparations

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Speaker 1: the big payback Erica Alexander and Whitney down, thank you,

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Speaker 1: that's that's We're glad to be here, and congratulations on

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Speaker 1: everything you're doing in all the success and also highlighting

662
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Speaker 1: our work and others like us. We appreciate it. Well.

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Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted such as tone of who we're talking

665
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Speaker 1: about because in the past and Whitney's on his own

666
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Speaker 1: video as well as audio what as well because the

667
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Speaker 1: show plays back on television as well as on podcast,

668
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Speaker 1: and the reason I wanted to bring you on the

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Speaker 1: show because I'm about Whitney's age and through life. I've

670
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Speaker 1: heard this reparation tone being thrown out there, and usually

671
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Speaker 1: it's some person who looks kind of dishoveled on the

672
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Speaker 1: street in New York City holding a cardboard signed is crooked,

673
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Speaker 1: but somehow he's fouled the marker and he says you

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Speaker 1: owe me, and he's misspelled reparations. Now I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: a highly gifted actress, a highly talented producer and creator

676
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Speaker 1: and Whitney And Okay, this is not what I grew

677
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Speaker 1: up on. This is not my mom's TV. Okay, you

678
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: know that is so funny. Yeah, you know what I

679
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Speaker 1: was going to say with me that we were going

680
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Speaker 1: to go out to talk to people, and I'm just

681
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Speaker 1: gonna say, we'll put the reparations on the cardboard and

682
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: they'll come to us. You're exactly right. That is something

683
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Speaker 1: that's been in it's sort of a marginalized community. And

684
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Speaker 1: Whitney can speak to that very well because he's been

685
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Speaker 1: working inside of race and talking about these things for

686
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Speaker 1: a while. Go ahead, you know it's it's really incredible.

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Speaker 1: I think we're you know, Eric, we're talking about this

688
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Speaker 1: earlier today, about this moment that we're in that where

689
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Speaker 1: you know, the last year we're listening to the major

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Speaker 1: the major presidential camp candidates talking about reparations on the

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Speaker 1: debate stage without fear, but actually because they knew it

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Speaker 1: was something that Americans wanted to hear about. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for bringing up my age. You Sean appreciate that. You

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Speaker 1: know that Eric is the littly younger than we are.

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Speaker 1: No know a lot you can tell just by looking

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Speaker 1: at the screen. So the but but to think about

697
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Speaker 1: when I was coming up on, when you were coming up, um,

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Speaker 1: this wasn't even remotely a conversation that we thought could

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Speaker 1: be have And now we're in this moment when it

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Speaker 1: feels look, I don't have a crystal ball, I don't

701
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Speaker 1: open possible, but it feels real. Hr forty feels like

702
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Speaker 1: it has the possibility of finally passing and there can

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Speaker 1: be an actual discussion about reparations in this country. Reparations

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Speaker 1: What does that mean? When you from a black perspective?

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Speaker 1: And ma ask both of your questions. I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 1: you first, Erica, from a black perspective, what does reparations mean?

707
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Speaker 1: Because it seems because there's a lot of people could

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Speaker 1: stand in life for that, starting with the American Indians,

709
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Speaker 1: also more recently the Japanese during the World War Two

710
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Speaker 1: when they were putting in in camps or the fear

711
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Speaker 1: that they will cause some type of injury or inside

712
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Speaker 1: spies in America. So, but blacks war enslaver, they were

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Speaker 1: brought over here against their will. And so now we're

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Speaker 1: only talking about, you know, descendants of enslaved people. So

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Speaker 1: now you're not including all black people. So how did

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Speaker 1: that decision come about? Nothing? Clue? Why why am I

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Speaker 1: not getting my check? Now? You know, I'm just saying, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, reparations is actually we have risive He actually

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Speaker 1: read um uh, the definition of reparations on the episode two.

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Speaker 1: Compensation that's what it is for war damages paid by

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Speaker 1: a defeated state. That's a very sort of that's what

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Speaker 1: it is in addiction area. UM. But if you've made

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Speaker 1: something wrong, you're making amends for that wrong. And that's

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Speaker 1: what reparations is. Pay money are some sort of something

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Speaker 1: that helps those that you have wrong. That's reparations. Why

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00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: aren't you getting them? Um, It's because Black people weren't

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Speaker 1: in a position to advocate for themselves after slavery. UM.

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Speaker 1: There was a brief period during reconstruction where they disgusted

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Speaker 1: and everybody knows about forty eight years of the Mule

730
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Speaker 1: and about you know, uh Sherman's Bill that they asked

731
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Speaker 1: him to put forward. UM. But then what happened is

732
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Speaker 1: that racism settled back in Jim Crow. All these things happened,

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Speaker 1: reconstruction stopped, and that's why you didn't get it. And

734
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Speaker 1: then by the time the Civil rights at Civil Rights

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Speaker 1: UM period comes up, people are starting to talk about, um, uh,

736
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Speaker 1: the rights that we have or don't have. Then, Uh,

737
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Speaker 1: it wasn't the time maybe to bring that up when

738
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Speaker 1: you're trying to just survive. But people did bring it

739
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Speaker 1: up during the Civil Rights UM period, and they brought

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Speaker 1: it up all during it. And we'll talk about the

741
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Speaker 1: types of people Calli House and others. Um Whitney loves

742
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Speaker 1: that story of Calli House and Queen Mother more people

743
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: like that who kept trying to get reparations, pensions and

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Speaker 1: other ways to um to help blacks, but we didn't

745
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Speaker 1: have any power. More importantly, the people in power did

746
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Speaker 1: not care and or want to do it because they

747
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Speaker 1: saw as us still as being subhuman and we'd have

748
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Speaker 1: to just make out on our own. So now that

749
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Speaker 1: we have power, we're trying to say, don't ask why

750
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Speaker 1: we didn't get it. Thin asked why, Now that we

751
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Speaker 1: have power, how can we get it to help the

752
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Speaker 1: descendants of American slaves? Now, okay, cool, Now that's always

753
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Speaker 1: coming from you, and that's expected. You're a woman of color,

754
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Speaker 1: a person of color. You, you were that angry generation. You,

755
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Speaker 1: You've you've been disenfranchised, you know what I'm saying, Like

756
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Speaker 1: you said, But now now, white guy, right now, we're

757
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Speaker 1: what's your problem? What's what's your what's your problem? By

758
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Speaker 1: talking with this black young lady over here about reparations? Okay,

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Speaker 1: you really hurt not calls sir? Okay, could you be quiet.

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Speaker 1: I know you've made a lot of movies that have

761
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Speaker 1: really been equal when allance for injustice, uh and keeping

762
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Speaker 1: it writing parallel to the course of righteousness or black

763
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Speaker 1: and brown people. But why you Whitney getting involved with Erica? Well,

764
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Speaker 1: you know it's funny, you know, with all the work

765
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Speaker 1: that I've done, and I've never had a couple of

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Speaker 1: sort of moments in those lives where I always kind

767
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Speaker 1: of felt I think, like a lot of white people,

768
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Speaker 1: I think that you know, race and racism or the

769
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Speaker 1: structures of the racist structures of our country. I was

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Speaker 1: kind of like throught of throught of outside myself, something

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Speaker 1: that someone who I believed that I wanted to. I

772
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Speaker 1: believe in social justice, I believe in the quality I

773
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Speaker 1: had to work on these things. And the moment the

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Speaker 1: big switch for me, as you know, that's all embedded

775
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: in me and I need to be working for all

776
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: the roads that I was following down led back to myself,

777
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Speaker 1: is that I needed to take action. I needed to

778
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Speaker 1: recognize my part in the paradigm and say I could

779
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Speaker 1: shift it so that I really believe that this is

780
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Speaker 1: gonna sound weird in the context of this show, but

781
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: but white people are suffering from the fact that this

782
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: injury has never been repaired. And I really feel that

783
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Speaker 1: we cannot be full citizens of this country and in

784
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Speaker 1: some ways even fully moral humans until we make restitution

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Speaker 1: if we try and repair the damage of slavery. And

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Speaker 1: I think that part of that is not even whether

787
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Speaker 1: we can do it effectively, but we have to make

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Speaker 1: the attempt. We have we have to make the attempt.

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Speaker 1: And you know what you're talking about earlier about what

790
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Speaker 1: it is, and one of the things that's you know,

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Speaker 1: I I often joke with Erica about that. I'm what

792
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: I'm relieved about is that, you know, when you talked

793
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: earlier about who gets it and who doesn't get it.

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Speaker 1: Being a white person, I know I don't have standing

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Speaker 1: to make that decision, even weigh in with an opinion

796
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Speaker 1: on that. I have the easy job. I just have

797
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: to advocate for it. Now you guys have to figure

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Speaker 1: out how it gets done and gets absolutely I agree,

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Speaker 1: you know, I look at this. I remember when Steve

800
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Speaker 1: Harry and I was doing live radio in Los Angeles,

801
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: so Nat point three to beat. Every time, this guy

802
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: would come by and he had this little book and

803
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: it was a dirty book. So he was doing pictures

804
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: of the pages were bent, and he would he would

805
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: make his claim to me because he wanted to get

806
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: on the morning show. He always you gotta let me

807
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,479
Speaker 1: speak to that. I gotta tell the truth. I gotta

808
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: let people know and every every ices. Sir, I can't

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Speaker 1: work facts. What are you backing this up on? What

810
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: facts are you basing your claim for reparation? Because he

811
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Speaker 1: definitely did not look like you, Erica, And he definitely

812
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Speaker 1: did not look like you Witney Okay, nor did he

813
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: have the credits or the background would allow me to actually,

814
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Speaker 1: at least you guys can talk because you have one

815
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Speaker 1: one up, You have the credits, allowed to have a

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00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: real legitimate voice. So I want to hear your side

817
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: of the story, which is a blessing because if you

818
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: don't have that, then you can shoot to the side

819
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: like I did him all those years he kept coming

820
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Speaker 1: to me trying to get on the Steve Harvey Morning Show.

821
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Speaker 1: Now you're on my show, money Making Conversation, popular platform.

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Speaker 1: Now is that being a blessing for you, Erica, to

823
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: be able to come on show, to do national articles,

824
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Speaker 1: to have a podcast, to finally get this story out.

825
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: It has been a blessing. It's also a burden anybody

826
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: that's in this type of work, you get exhausted by it.

827
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: Talking about these issues is difficult because it brings up

828
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 1: all sorts of conversations in your life or you know,

829
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: challenges or disappointments you might have had and sort of

830
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: thinking why. But it is a blessing because it's part

831
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Speaker 1: of what gets Somebody passed me the beton a long

832
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: time ago, people like Harriet Tubman. If she can go

833
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: through those swamps and go back and forth and back

834
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: and forth, I can do this. I can do a podcast,

835
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: I can do whatever I need to do in order

836
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: to help people move forward. And and so it's it's

837
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Speaker 1: it's um. It is a blessing. It's also blessing to

838
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: be on the show like yours to be discussing this,

839
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: because that means that it is um, not only the zeitgeist,

840
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: but it's it's happening among people who can help make

841
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: the difference and bring it forward and then push it

842
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: beyond um any one platform. And that's important because people

843
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: have been trying to have this conversation for a long time.

844
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Speaker 1: We're not the first, we won't be the last. You

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00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: have Frederick Douglas, you have two boys, Garby, All these

846
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: people again. James Foreman. We actually talk about him on

847
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: our show and how he interrupted these church service at

848
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: Riverside and he demanded five hundred million dollars in reparations

849
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Speaker 1: because he said that the um the churches were complicit

850
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Speaker 1: in slavery and oppression and he wanted to hold them accountable.

851
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: And um, you have groups like in Cobra and John

852
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: Kanyers in Congress and what he's doing there. And of

853
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 1: course Sheila Jacksonline now with HR forty and all the women,

854
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 1: Robin Ruth Simmons, we cannot forget her, and we'll talk

855
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: more about her what she's done in Evanston, Illinois by

856
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: passing the first reparations bill in history. We are following

857
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: her with the documentary that we are both making Whitney

858
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: and I and UM, that's why we're having it. The

859
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: fact that we're here is proof of life. You know,

860
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: it isn't when this course of course is directed to you,

861
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: because you hear the word council culture, and the word

862
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: council culture, you know, kind of started with the removal

863
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: of the Confederate statues. And and I I attest that

864
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: my minors and sociology, my degree in mathematics, and when

865
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: I took sociology, it really allowed me to understand what

866
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know about my black history. I didn't really

867
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: know the values that I brought to the table, because

868
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: if you go to a typical, uh, public school or

869
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: even private school, this is what happens to black people.

870
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: This is a black history that's told to us. We

871
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: came over to America, we were enslaved, we were freed, Okay.

872
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: Then suddenly it skips all the way to brown versus

873
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: the Board of Education. Then it goes to the civil

874
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 1: rights marches, then it goes to I have a dream speech,

875
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: then it goes to goes to UH to mart Luther

876
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: King's fascination, and it kind of stops. This is those

877
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: are accomplishments that you kind of read in history. And

878
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: so when you say council culture, Blacks have always had

879
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: a council culture when it comes to being educated in

880
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: the education, being fair to the masses. And so when

881
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: I get not anger, I just get annoyed that you

882
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: use the people use the word cancel culture, and unfortunately

883
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: it's coming from a majority of the white community that

884
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: that we're canceled culture. Can you expound on that because

885
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes a perfect parent for you

886
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 1: guys on this podcast, because I can have this diverse

887
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 1: conversation with both of you guys. Well, I think that,

888
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,479
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting, I think that white people also

889
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: have a cancel culture in the history as well. It's

890
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: it's different. We've canceled out all we we work really

891
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: hard to cancel that all the bad things, the things

892
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: that that don't line up with how this sort of

893
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: this idea of American exceptionalism and how we sort of

894
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: see always sort of been told told ourselves as white

895
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: people that were sort of this you know, white Americans

896
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: are you know, we're inherently good people that this thing.

897
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: And I think that the parts that were left out

898
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: of are the you know, the idea of of this

899
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: idea of bootstrap against sort of the loan cowboy against

900
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: the you know, writing out on the range with the

901
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: lone cowboys. Now that piece of the stories left out

902
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: is that before him wrote an army that slaughtered the

903
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: native of the America, so he could act out that

904
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: independent act on his on his own. So I think

905
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: that we're that the idea is like, I think you're

906
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: exactly right. There's what we're trying to do is take

907
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 1: those pieces that are missing and add them the story.

908
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: And I just want to get back to something you

909
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: said about Eric and been doing together. I think so

910
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: much of the time these stories are told separately, the

911
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: stories of Black America. There's Black History Month or there's

912
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: this words and you know, I hate Black History Month.

913
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: It should be History Month because your story and my

914
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: story are the same story. They're they're inherently intertwined. By

915
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: taking them apart and trying to say they're different, we

916
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: you you inherently diminished them. And to understand either one,

917
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: you have to understand them both as how they're rolling together.

918
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: You know, when I when I listened to your talk,

919
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: and I'm from Houston, Texas born a native of Texas, Okay,

920
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: and project that you were involved and called Two Towns

921
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 1: of Jasper, and it was very emotional for me because

922
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: it involves the black man being brutalized, murdered and humiliated

923
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: by the way he was killed, being drugg behind the truck.

924
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 1: You was involved in that, and it had a major

925
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: impact in your life and probably led you down the

926
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: path that you're going in right now. Talk about coming

927
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: into that project and well, it was important to do

928
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: a project like that that had nothing to do with you,

929
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: nothing to do with your wasn't a relative of yours,

930
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: but you felt a need to do a project. It

931
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: was called two Towns of Jasper. Well that so I said,

932
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: that was a major stepping off point and looked at this.

933
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: This is called money making conversations. And I'm making confession

934
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: on here when I went down to do that. So

935
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: I was I wanted to make a film. And I

936
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: literally saw the press off the Billy Rowells, the sheriff

937
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: of Jasper Textas, and he had that big ten gallon

938
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: hat and he had like a car two tone car

939
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: hard jacket and the highwaysted like wranglers. I was like,

940
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: that guy is a movie star. I want to go

941
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: down there. So I go down there, and it was

942
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: and the other things. So he said that that, oh yeah,

943
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: we're having we're having, uh, we're having there's a big

944
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: clan rally here in support of the white community. And

945
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: I was like got into my head. I was like,

946
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: wait a minute, this black man was just dragged to

947
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: death in Texas and the clans coming to rally and

948
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: support of white community. So I flew down there and

949
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: the New Black Panther Party was offered. They're having these

950
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: counter demonstrations, and um, what happened is that I had

951
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: actually gone down there because I thought, oh, if I

952
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: want to make I want to make money advertising, I

953
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: need to uh make a movie. That was gonna given

954
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: I take it in. But what happened, and I think

955
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: we we're talking a little bit this about this before

956
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: the show started. I went down. I drove down tough

957
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: Peak Road where they dragged James word body. They changed

958
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,720
Speaker 1: into a truck to be white Man, and we're driving

959
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: down and they had saved spray painted circles where they

960
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: had found all his different body parts on it. And

961
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: we're driving and it went on and it went on

962
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 1: and it went on and it went on for a mile.

963
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,879
Speaker 1: After mile three miles, we get to the small black

964
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: church at the end you could see the imprint of

965
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: his body where they lay because he he had been

966
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: so he had been so you know, braided by the road.

967
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,919
Speaker 1: And that moment in that space like shook me so

968
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: profoundly to my core. I really just it was like

969
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: one of those moments where my my, my world just

970
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: opened up and I and I just felt at that moment.

971
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: If I can make something that slightly communicates what I'm

972
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: feeling here and the horror that I'm feeling, and also

973
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: the recognition I'm feeling of being in a white American

974
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: standing in that spot, I will have created something with value.

975
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: And that was the beginning of the journey. Eric Freak

976
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: American your projects and absolutely, you know when you walk

977
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: in the room, you know somebody's gonna let you know. Now,

978
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: that's the beauty of being a person of color. You know,

979
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: we can't run from you know we're gonna we can't

980
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: run from our skin tone. We walk in the room.

981
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't care if we have several degrees. I don't

982
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: give a billionaires as a black rich person. That's a

983
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,879
Speaker 1: smart black person that just walked in the room. Now

984
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: you're doing a podcast by Reparations. Now, how did this

985
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: come together that you united and felt that Varce could

986
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: be better served by partner with Whitney. How did you

987
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: guys come together? Um? We came together because joy Read

988
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: introduced us. Actually, joy Read knew that we were both

989
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: interested in doing something with a reparations uh you know

990
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: something project. And um, he of course has his uh

991
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: life and his credits and all the work that he's done.

992
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: And I had just recently UM produced with color Fim Media,

993
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: and my partner been Aren that John Lewis could trouble

994
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 1: documentary and Um she said, you guys should get together,

995
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: and that's how it happened. We got together in the calfway,

996
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: we started cafe. We started talking about um our work.

997
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: He sort of explained to me some of his hesitation

998
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: or the things that he would be um most concerned

999
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: about going forward. I didn't have those concerns because I've

1000
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: been working and collaborating with so many different people my

1001
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: entire life that I've had to be flexible and sort

1002
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: of you know, be a chameleon, those types of things.

1003
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: But I totally got He wanted to make sure that

1004
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: we would be a good fit, and I did too.

1005
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: I didn't want this to fail because we we felt

1006
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: to meet in what our goals were, and we were aligned.

1007
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: We have similar missions in life. We have um really

1008
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: interesting sense of humor, and we could laugh things off

1009
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 1: and move forward, but we also were very serious about

1010
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: the work. So that's how what happened. We decided to

1011
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: do with and we got going on it. Then the

1012
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: pandemic hit and um. By that time, he had been

1013
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: asked whether we wanted to do a podcast about it,

1014
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: and um, and those things sort of halted. And I

1015
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: had already gone on the Breakfast Club to talk about

1016
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: the Reparations documentary, and Charlemagne the God asked me, yo, queen.

1017
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: He gave me a call, what's going on with that?

1018
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: Are you doing a podcast? Because he had just gotten

1019
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: a deal to do his podcast network, The Black Effect,

1020
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: and I said, well, you know it's available, you're interested,

1021
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: and he goes yes, And next thing, you know, here

1022
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: we are. Because of his resources and the power that

1023
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: he had in that space. UM, we were making this

1024
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: podcast and we called it the Big Payback. This is

1025
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: a great story. Now within that story, he said, there

1026
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: was some reservations. What were your reservations with you? I'd

1027
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 1: listen to that. So, you know, Joy called and said, yo,

1028
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: you gotta name Erica or and her partner Ben And

1029
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: I said, okay, And you know, look, I'll just be

1030
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: really honest here in the show. I'll say, look, you

1031
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: know some movie star actors, some beautiful movie star actress.

1032
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: I need. I need that in my life, I said,

1033
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, I said so when she came down and

1034
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: I said, Erica, you know, I don't know if it's

1035
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: gonna work. You know, you're this big star. I'm just

1036
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: the stilmmaker of the thing. And I said, don't you know,

1037
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is gonna be a good fit.

1038
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: She just looked at me and she said, with me,

1039
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: you think that I survived in Hollywood for thirty years,

1040
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: I've knowing how to handle white guys like you. And

1041
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, that's something I can work with.

1042
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: That was like no bull there. There was just like

1043
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: straight up and that was sort of the beginning of

1044
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: this journey. I love it. And that's that's true that

1045
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: she has been a blessing. I'm just talking about Erica

1046
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: as a person because I've been in Hollywood is n

1047
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: eighty two while doing sitcom, so I've been blessed to

1048
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: watch her career evolved and grow and diverse roles that

1049
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: she's taken upon herself. Now's interesting to about my life.

1050
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: It's when you bring up names that I know, like

1051
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: Sheila Jackson Lee. You know she's out of Houston bear

1052
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: for me with her work, and it's hr forty Bill

1053
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: in Congress. What is the end game for you? Guys

1054
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 1: with this reparation is the big payback? Are you guys

1055
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: gonna go to Congress one day and sit down and

1056
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: and talk to Congress and tell them why your podcast

1057
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: is relevant and why then they're gonna look at you,

1058
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: Mr white guy? Why is he I got that movie

1059
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: style over here because she's liberal Hollywood? Why is that

1060
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: white guy sitting with her? So? How are you guys?

1061
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Speaker 1: What's the in game? Erica? What's going on? Go ahead

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Speaker 1: with me? Is that one? Yeah? Look I got I

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00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: got the hate nail to prove it. People ask me that,

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00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: you know, my people ask me the same thing sometimes,

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00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: and you always joke. I said, I'm here to say

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00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: white people. So, you know, and I think that that

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00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: one of the things is that, I mean, we're working

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00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:52,880
Speaker 1: on two tracks because we're actually been in better in

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00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: Sheila Jackson Lean's office for a you know, I think

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00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: almost two years now tracking HR forty and uh and

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00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: filming that that whole process. But look, the endgame is

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00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: to help get HR forty pass, to bring that and

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00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: the thing that so and you know this, you know

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00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: this well, Jana that the HR forty is just a

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00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: bill to talk about it. It's not a bill that's

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00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 1: promising anything. It's a bill to establish commission to talk

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00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: about the possibility of retires and make recommendations. And so

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00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: that seems to me just like the bare minimum. The

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00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: bare minimum that we should be doing is Americans. And

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00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: one of the things that I often talk about is

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00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: we both believe that this division, this division that was

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00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: that was called original sin of slavery, is at the root.

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00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 1: It's sort of like you know, it's at the root

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00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: of so many of our problems that are dividing us.

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00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: And when you talk about how we sort of see

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00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: ourselves and the way you're talking about storytelling earlier, I

1087
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: think that one of the big things that we have

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00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: to get over is white people have to real White

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00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: Americans have to reimagine their story in this effect of America.

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00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: And I think the HR forty and had a conversation

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00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: we can address those things had on can be the

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00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: beginning for that. I want to change just a little

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00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: bit subject about it because you brought up your special

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00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: Erica that you I shouldn't say special the do community

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00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: did with John Lewis good trouble. I saw it and

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00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: I was disappointed in myself that I didn't know the man.

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00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: I didn't know his story. I didn't know, you know,

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00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: because the last two years we've been able to see

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00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: a playoffs, especially when he was announced he had cancer

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00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: and through through this pandemic, and then of course he died.

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00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: But what was your biggest takeaway from Because I didn't know.

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00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: I really didn't know. He was like our modern day

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00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: version of Dr Martin Luther King. He was living in

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00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: breathing version of Dr Martin Luther King. And we didn't really,

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00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: I think um appreciate that, especially in black America, definitely

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00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: in a white America. And so why do you think

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00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: he was so because he was so humble, first of all,

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00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: but he really didn't didn't climb out. He never ran

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00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: for sinity, he never tried to run for an offer

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00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: of vice president, would never recommend it that or never

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00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 1: try to run for presidency. Talk about that special and God,

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00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring that out of just just

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00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: my whole thing, and bringing you guys on was to

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00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: give you guys a voice to lay down the background

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00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: that you guys have the right and the expertise and

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00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: the cachet to talk about reparations on your podcast. In

1117
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: this discussion of the big payback, but just give us

1118
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: a little feedback on your role in your experience of

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00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: just the final months and years of John Lewis. Uh.

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Speaker 1: John Lewis is about destiny. Um. He is a wonderful

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Speaker 1: example of the true American dream. And that whole good

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00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: trouble thing, which is what you know is the name

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00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 1: of the film and his moniker and his motto. It's

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00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: basically just saying, if you see something that's not right,

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00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: not fair, not just do something, say something, get into trouble,

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Speaker 1: good trouble. It's asking us all to go beyond what's comfortable.

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00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: He then, he's not asking us to stand on the

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00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: bridge and get our brains beat out. He's not asking

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Speaker 1: us to to do those types of things that you know,

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00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: people in the struggle who might be more um trained

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00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: in nonviolence and what and what he did. He's just saying,

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00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,439
Speaker 1: do more, you know, take it upon yourself to get

1133
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: yourself and and and and and reposition the argument, the conversation,

1134
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: and and and take it upon yourself to do it.

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00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: He committed his life to a fight for civil rights

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Speaker 1: and justice for all, justice for all, and he did it.

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00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: We know how he did it without malice, with courage,

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00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: just of his convictions, his abiding love of the beloved community.

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00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: He talks a lot about that, the beloved community. UM,

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00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King talked a lot about that, certainly, the

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00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: philosophy of nonviolence, UM peaceful protests. We see Black Lives

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00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: Matter out there doing their things in the street. He

1143
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: was Black Lives Matters with Snick and what he did.

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00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: And so I think that if you think about the

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00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: boy from Troy, which was but Martin Luther King called him,

1146
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: he was sort of just stepped into his destiny and

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01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: he did it in the most violent and one of

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01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: the most violent racial storms in America after slavery, actually

1149
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 1: the most. And we think about George Floyd and all

1150
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: the things that are happening now, they were just getting

1151
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: assassinated and killed left and right. You didn't do that lightly.

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01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: You knew what you were going on to do. But

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01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: he was an American icon, and he became an American

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01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: icon because he stood and he kept going forward and

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01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: he got arrested and he didn't just do overnight. He

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01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 1: was there often for several weeks before they could get

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Speaker 1: him out, and he went back. You know, Jesse Jackson

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01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 1: actually taught me a little bit about how brave John

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: Lewis was. He said that Rosa Parks said that they

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01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: said John Lewis did the hard time, like they were

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01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: impressed with John Lewis. Um. So again, I think that

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01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,959
Speaker 1: the world didn't know about him because he stood next

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01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: to a really bright star, Martin Luther King, and we

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01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 1: were always talking about Margareth the King and all those

1165
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: big stars. Is Malcolm X those things. But now the

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01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: cameras shifting boom, and we're starting to see that there

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01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: were other people, and we're starting to see why he

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01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: showed up on that bridge and talk about the murder

1169
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 1: that happened there or must these things happen with murders?

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01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: Is something horribly tragic happens and he showed up to

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01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: support the people in the town. But that's why why,

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01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: because it's time has come and John Lewis deserves it.

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01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: He got into good trouble. He's a freedom writer. He

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Speaker 1: is that boy from Troy and telling that story was

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01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: an honor and a privilege. But I didn't know how much.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know until I got into it. And thank

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Speaker 1: you John Porter for being the director to uh put

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Speaker 1: her own credibility out there. And she had to build

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01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: that credibility by um directing Bobby Kennedy for President Gideon's Army.

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Speaker 1: She didn't just show up, and then they gave her

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01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do good trouble and again we partner

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01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: to bring it forward. Brought that up was that you

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01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: guys are doing good Trouble, and I wanted you to

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01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: hear yourself talk and realize that this reparation is about

1185
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: extending yourself beyond the normal cause because both of you

1186
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: guys are taking risks because people can everybody's not acting

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01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 1: positively out there, but you. But you, what you just

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01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: said is why I wanted you to hear and I

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01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: was so forwidded to hear that you guys are doing

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01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: good trouble and that's a very good thing. And I

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01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 1: wanted to bring you on the show and kind of

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01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 1: put a little twist on the end and let you

1193
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: know that you've worked in the project as it led

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Speaker 1: you this blessed course of development podcast to Charlemagne and

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Speaker 1: Guard that's giving you a platform to talk about reparation

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Speaker 1: is the big payback. Thank you for coming on my

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01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: show and thank you for allowing me to uh to

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Speaker 1: speak and to share your story with my viewers and

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Speaker 1: my listeners. Eric Alexander movie star, And she said, movie Star,

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Speaker 1: all the works that you've done and the work that

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Speaker 1: you've done as executive producer and producing shows, and you

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Speaker 1: know you've been in the trenches and you and also

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Speaker 1: teaching us about money and all that other stuff. Thank you, brother,

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Speaker 1: and the ad Council. My next guest is Anthony A. Lobby.

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Speaker 1: He's an actor, writer, and former NFL player from the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins in Kansas City, Chief. That's one sport I

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Speaker 1: could never play football. I'll just let you know right now.

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Speaker 1: I can act like I can play basketball, but I

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Speaker 1: can never play football. Anthony Coach stars in the third

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Speaker 1: season of the Netflix sitcom called Family Reunion. He left

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Speaker 1: the NFL in and moved to Los Angeles to pursue

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Speaker 1: his true passion, which is acting. His acting credits include

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Speaker 1: a lot recurring roles on Showtime Shameless, one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite show Disney's Ravens Home, CBS in c i A, s,

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Speaker 1: ABC's Modern Family, Foxes, The Mick, and the supporting role

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Speaker 1: in Netflix feature film Peewee's Big Holiday, just to name

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Speaker 1: a few. Just throwing out some credits so you can

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Speaker 1: know who I'm telling the too. You know, I was like, alright, alright,

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Speaker 1: Family Unions one of my favorite sitcoms on Netflix, and

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Speaker 1: they boasting please walking the money making conversation. I know

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be good friends because he's a good friends.

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Speaker 1: One of the writers on the show, a co executive

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Speaker 1: producers on the show who now moved on Anthony Hill.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome this, Anthony, Anthony Abby. It's great. How you doing,

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Speaker 1: my friend, I'm doing great, man, it's a good day.

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Speaker 1: My mother in law is here. She you know, she

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Speaker 1: got fully vaccinated and everything and to visit so it's

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Speaker 1: a full house. Well, you know, it's it's the beauty

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Speaker 1: of it. I've gotten fully vaccinated. So it's good to

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Speaker 1: promote that, especially in the African American community, on the

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Speaker 1: community of color, that we need to get vaccinated. And

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Speaker 1: you know, it's really h I don't know if you've

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Speaker 1: been vaccinated, Anthony, but it really brought a relief to me,

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Speaker 1: you know, because I'm wearing a mask and I'm doing

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Speaker 1: everything I'm supposed to and I'm not stopping. Even though

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Speaker 1: I've been vaccinated. I've still to do the things with

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Speaker 1: the mask and the hand sanitizer. But I just feel

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Speaker 1: that now, you know, when a cough or sniffles, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's polling, it's time. Maybe it's polling this time and

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Speaker 1: not COVID. You know what I'm saying. What say people

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Speaker 1: are still getting regular colds, right and so, but not not.

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Speaker 1: But when COVID You're like, oh no, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you don't know, you better not, you

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Speaker 1: better not, and like hold on, absolutely so so so

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Speaker 1: you left the NFL and sport. I could never play

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01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: that totally want to have your respect. Let's talk about like,

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01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: say you're Texas board like me, I'm from Houston, Texas,

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01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 1: you're San Antonio. We know Texas football is king brother,

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01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: so but it's the thing football and acting to individual

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01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: things that don't even don't even live in the same

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01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: class because one, you know, you and sitcoms done drama

1277
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,720
Speaker 1: as well, and that is kind of like a you know,

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01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: kind of a theatrical it's not nothing physical little body.

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're still animated and you're you're animated

1280
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: actor too. But but but you know what I'm saying

1281
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 1: is it's not the physical contact. And I'm not raking

1282
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: up hitting three in a pound men every more, absolutely

1283
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: absolutely and so so. But but that but that gave

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01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 1: you an opportunity to go to college. It gave you

1285
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: an opportunity to And where did you go to college? At?

1286
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: TC TCU hold and froll down up in the Dallas

1287
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: for We're Ferry, Okay, so I know exactly where you had. Okay,

1288
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: So so you go to the NFL, and that's that's

1289
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: kind of like your dream or was it your dreams

1290
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: still acting when you went to the NFL. It's it's

1291
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: a crazy thing because people always always talk about the

1292
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: transition and they and they asked, you know, how did

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01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: you pivot? And you know what made you want to

1294
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: go into acting? And the truth is acting was it

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01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: for me the entire time. Football is the thing that

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01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of swept me up and took over and I

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01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: had to put my wanting of acting on hold. So

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01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'd like to tell the joke that when

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01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: you're six six three sixty and you come out of

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01:07:56,040 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: the wound that way you play football in Texas like

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01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: that's just what you do. Um, I'm gonna just d

1302
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 1: you to make you six six. It must be a

1303
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: lot of tall people on that class man. You don't

1304
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: look six six on that show. I'm sorry, thank you,

1305
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: you know what. I appreciate that. That is the best

1306
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 1: compliment I've gotten, because that's the thing is as an

1307
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: actor coming in when you're tall like that, a lot

1308
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: of times you don't get cast because they're just like

1309
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 1: I can't frame you, or we don't know how to

1310
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: have to do it. But luckily, I mean like Familiar

1311
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: Union first of all, is first class all the way through.

1312
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: So our camera guys are dps. They know exactly how

1313
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: to kind of angle it and make it look to

1314
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,920
Speaker 1: where I kind of look normal and I don't look

1315
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: like Gandalf. Right. You know, I'm sorry, I want you

1316
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: to continue. But when you said six sixth, I had

1317
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: to take a step back. O, he's six six, because

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01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what six six looks like. Somebody six

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01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: six to go you six six. But the show, and

1320
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 1: especially especially look the little kids, you know, they don't

1321
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,600
Speaker 1: look like they died by your ankles. You know what

1322
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Well, I mean they got tall to you know,

1323
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: Isaiah and Cameron, both of the boys, they got really tall.

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01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: So well that's a good thing for you. Okay, A

1325
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,680
Speaker 1: there for you, But continue your journey. Continue during your transition.

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01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: You didn't really I can. Football was just the guard

1327
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: gifted talent that you had, but you're blessing passion. There

1328
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,640
Speaker 1: was something I was born in the physicality, so it

1329
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,000
Speaker 1: was it was a nice thing to have um and

1330
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, I got into it. I got into football

1331
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: and it kind of took over. So at a young age,

1332
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: I kind of made this decision that football was gonna

1333
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,559
Speaker 1: be what took care of me. And eventually I wanted

1334
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: to get to that point where I could just do

1335
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,639
Speaker 1: whatever I wanted because I didn't have to play football,

1336
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,000
Speaker 1: and I think that's that was the most important thing.

1337
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 1: So I kind of made that decision that like eight

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01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: years old, and it worked out. Don't ask me to

1339
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: do it twice. I don't know if it can happen,

1340
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: but it worked out this time. But okay, again, we

1341
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about your size. You know you're

1342
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: coming in and do you know you don't want to

1343
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 1: be the bouncer. You don't want to be the heavy,

1344
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: the thug, and that's what people look at a black

1345
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 1: man who's six six athletically built. So how did you

1346
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 1: start breaking that that stereotype? So yeah, naturally, like you said,

1347
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: you come here, you you know, off the boat, per se,

1348
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: you you come here, and they immediately you're a bouncer,

1349
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: you're thug, you're heavy, you're detective, if you're lucky, a cop,

1350
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: you know anything that that's big in intimidating. I mean,

1351
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: the amount of times that I had to say, let

1352
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 1: me see your license kind of ridiculous. But I think

1353
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: the most important thing was having a team around me

1354
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: that saw the vision that I did, because I came

1355
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: here and I said, I'm different, I hit different, I'm

1356
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,280
Speaker 1: a big guy, but I have emotional range, I'm able

1357
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: to be vulnerable, I'm able to kind of go places

1358
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 1: that guys typically my size don't really go emotionally and enacting.

1359
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: And so I think my my reps saw that, and

1360
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: so he immediately started to kind of brand the other

1361
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: way and kind of like push into those roles that

1362
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: aren't normally for me. So there was a lot of

1363
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 1: rooms that I sat in where it was like me

1364
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 1: and like fifteen other Jewish dudes, and They're like, you're

1365
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: here for the same role, and I'm like, yeah, the

1366
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: same role. And then eventually, you know, we get those roles,

1367
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: and then casting directors would start to see us differently,

1368
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: and you know, it's working out. You know, we're not

1369
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: getting those typical kind of roles that you would see

1370
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: for for a guy that looks like well, you know,

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01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: it's really interesting because my background, you know, this sitcom

1372
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 1: writing and so you know, I did a parent who

1373
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: with WB actually started with Steve Harvest first sitcom on ABC,

1374
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: Me and the Boys, and then went over to Senior Hall,

1375
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: ABC sitcom. And then I ran into your co star,

1376
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 1: one of your co stars on Family with You and you,

1377
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,879
Speaker 1: the very talented Tiamor you know, with her sister tomorrow

1378
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: Maori on Sister Sister. So how I always be working

1379
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 1: with that talent young lady, you know, I mean, she's

1380
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: the thing is from day one. Uh. T and I

1381
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: kind of just got each other because we're both goofy

1382
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,680
Speaker 1: and so I think we're having the same kind of

1383
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 1: branded comedy. Uh we kind of. I think we have

1384
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: like one conversation about how we want to kind of

1385
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: approach things, and then after that we've never really had

1386
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I think we just you know,

1387
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 1: she throws the ball up, I catch it, vice versa,

1388
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: and we're just our chemistry works and it works off

1389
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: camera too. I think, you know, we talk least two

1390
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 1: to three times a week, um, constantly in contact and

1391
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 1: we just get each other. And I think that's kind

1392
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: of what makes it easy when we're on camera, because

1393
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: if I happen to improvise something that's just that, I

1394
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,160
Speaker 1: think it's funny. She knows me well enough and she

1395
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: just plays along and it usually works out of Golden

1396
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: and the same thing with her. She throws things out

1397
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: all the time, and it just it makes her fun

1398
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: working by it. So I look forward to going to

1399
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: work everything. It really, it really is interesting. That's right

1400
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: there with you. It really is interested in watching the

1401
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: show because y'all are silly, y'all selling that's a compliment,

1402
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 1: y'all selling and being in front of a live audience. Um,

1403
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: And because they announced when you watch the Netflix sitcom

1404
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: that is take in front of a live audience. So

1405
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: those laughing that you hear and I can their faith.

1406
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: They're real, which I love about the show. But man,

1407
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: y'all break that fourth wall. Y'all just laugh, man, you know,

1408
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 1: and that Loretta divide that food when I'm saying that's

1409
01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: it's her fault. She Man, she just keeps delivering home runs, man,

1410
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: And you can see you tell those two. It's kind

1411
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: of insane because Meg, what Meg does. This is what

1412
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: happens is we run that, we run, we run the

1413
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 1: scene the way it's supposed to be run, right, And

1414
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: then here comes Meg and I can see her just

1415
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: across the screen and she runs a little rette and

1416
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: she whispered something in her ear, and we're all just like,

1417
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: what's going on? So then she runs back the action

1418
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: and Loretta delivers it a completely different line that still

1419
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 1: works with our with our dialogue one, but a completely

1420
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 1: different line that we had never heard. So it's that

1421
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: they want our true reactions. So half the time we're

1422
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: trying to laugh, and we're trying, we're trying not to laugh,

1423
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: but it's funny. And so Meg loves those moments because

1424
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: they are real and they're more grounded. So I enjoy

1425
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: them because they make me laugh, but I just I

1426
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: try not to break but it happens. We break. Just

1427
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: stop trying you break, you break break all the time. Yeah,

1428
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: I can't. I'm finally called to the third season. You

1429
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: gotta catches three seasons of this and you should go

1430
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 1: back to the very first season if you're listening to

1431
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: this interview for the first time. And the third season, Uh,

1432
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: they do a moment with you at the kitchen table

1433
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 1: when you because you're really struggling with your manhood, your

1434
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: your your your ability to take care of your family.

1435
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, man, when you slid that plate

1436
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 1: off that table, man, I started laughing so hard. Man

1437
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: when I saw you when you do when you slive,

1438
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: I was just gonna leave like that. I'm not gonna

1439
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 1: get it in more detailed, Anthony, but when you slive

1440
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 1: that play off the table, man, he's silly, He's silly.

1441
01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: I went full Denzel on that one. I was like,

1442
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, and so so you know,

1443
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: because I we're gonna I want to I wanna you know,

1444
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: I also want to talk about you as well as

1445
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: the sitcom, and I just want to touch the sitcom

1446
01:14:48,040 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I wanted to go back into

1447
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: your just your your acting resume and also your writer,

1448
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 1: because that's more than you than just uh in front

1449
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,320
Speaker 1: of the screen. That there's there's the ability to go

1450
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: behind the screen. So tell us who Anthony A Lobby

1451
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: really is with the future. Because you said athletically, peoples

1452
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,799
Speaker 1: stereotyped you, okay, said you were a football player, an athlete,

1453
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: and then you said, no, that's not me. Now you

1454
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 1: went to Hollywood, they stereotyped you. Hey man, get all

1455
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,519
Speaker 1: the cop roll get the thug rolls, get all the

1456
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: get all the anything you need to fear, throw fear

1457
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 1: in somebody we want you. And you said that's not me.

1458
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: Now you you rise in the very successful sitcom very

1459
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 1: higherious trends. If you not noticed, if you follow Netflix,

1460
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: it does trend. I think it reachially. I think it

1461
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: was number six recently and the top ten. And that

1462
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: needs that. And the way that works on Netflix is

1463
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: the goal is for everybody to watch every one in

1464
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 1: your episodes. And that's Netflix. If if you don't watch

1465
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: every episode, they're gonna cancel. I'm just sorry. That's our

1466
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 1: Netflix operation. That's the truth. He knows I'm telling the truth.

1467
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 1: And but the beauty of it is that you're airing

1468
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 1: in a hundred and ninety countries that allows you to

1469
01:15:55,479 --> 01:15:59,360
Speaker 1: send a different message about African Americans people of color.

1470
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: How that but because you know, you've been in business

1471
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 1: long enough. How how this industry before streaming would say, hey,

1472
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 1: this is a black siccom. We're gonna keep you over here.

1473
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to watch you in Europe, box in this

1474
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: little room that nobody knows about. Just box you in

1475
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: a moment. It was just terrible. And so let's let's

1476
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: talk about that. The ability to be expand your brand

1477
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: as a writer and for your directings on your plate

1478
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,720
Speaker 1: and what you want to do besides what you're doing

1479
01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I mean you you touched on people

1480
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: always kind of just trying to pigeonhole you. I think

1481
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: the easiest thing that people always want to do is

1482
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: they want to put you in a category or in

1483
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: a box and say this is what you are, so

1484
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: that way they know what's coming. And I'm kind of

1485
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: annoyingly ambitious in that way where I am constantly trying

1486
01:16:42,479 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: to push and I think that comes from sports. It's

1487
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: the it's this thing of never being comfortable. Um, just

1488
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:49,080
Speaker 1: because I believe that every day you either get better,

1489
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: you get worse. You never say the same. So if

1490
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: you're not fighting to get better, than clearly you're getting worse. Um.

1491
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: For me, you know, producing and writing is something that

1492
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 1: I want to do, and that's something that eventually I

1493
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 1: really really want to get to. I think it's it's

1494
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: important to kind of storytell and I think it's important

1495
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 1: to create these worlds that I want to see and

1496
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: in worlds that I kind of want to live in

1497
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: and being that probably won't get casted as or wouldn't

1498
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 1: be kind of put in, but I can put myself

1499
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: in those situations and right around that. And I think

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01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: when I do that and still make it work to

1501
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: where people reading go, this is great, but this is

1502
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: interesting and it's not just kind of a piece for me,

1503
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: you know. Um, I think I think that's the important thing.

1504
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: So that's why my writing partner and I we've written

1505
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: a library of shows and and uh, you know our

1506
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: pitching and doing stuff now and I think now that

1507
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: the third part has come out, that's where why we're

1508
01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: kind of pushing more of the shows that we've written,

1509
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 1: the movies that we've written, and getting really into producing.

1510
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: People want to get into directing I'm not. I think

1511
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 1: that's a lot of work, but we'll see how it goes.

1512
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely going to end up creating and writing

1513
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: and doing those things later down the road, you know,

1514
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: And was stay in your lane. I don't want to direct,

1515
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: you know. I'm just I've directed some things. I've directed

1516
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: some commercials, but you know, but there's more improvisational directing,

1517
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: you know. I'm not going to get into the whole

1518
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: process of with the character of the arts and some

1519
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,439
Speaker 1: of the oh the sketches you gotta get come over now,

1520
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 1: I'm not the person to put in the room, Anthony.

1521
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying about that whole process, but

1522
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,360
Speaker 1: the whole process of like you, you appeared in some

1523
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:28,840
Speaker 1: of my favorite uh series like Shameless that that's not

1524
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: an expensive wardrouable Shameless, by the way, you know, you

1525
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 1: just can just you could just show up on just

1526
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: your regular looks like everybody looks terrible, everybody looks like

1527
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: a step above homeless, okay, just having that they didn't

1528
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 1: have to throw dirt on me, right right right, you know.

1529
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 1: And then uh and then a good friend of Raven's

1530
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 1: Home that was on Disney A classic when you walk

1531
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,639
Speaker 1: into a show like n c I S. Wood that

1532
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: family has been there for fifty sixty years, you know

1533
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you look at Shameless ten years,

1534
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: ten eleven years. It's so talk about going into those

1535
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: or those particularly type of productions that I mentioned sptically

1536
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: Shameless as well as n C I S and then

1537
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: trying to build that same momentum, that same type of

1538
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: professional behavior which is laid by Meg the Loach, which

1539
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: is the decutive producer and creator of Family Reunion. Talk

1540
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,559
Speaker 1: about that, yeah, and you know, I think it all.

1541
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: I like to stem a lot of things back sports,

1542
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 1: just because it's the first thing that I related to

1543
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: growing up. So it's the same thing when you are

1544
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, I was an offensive linement. So when you're

1545
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: like the sixth man, right, and you have the starting

1546
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 1: five and you have that six guy, and somebody goes

1547
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: down or somebody gets hurt or you know they're playing

1548
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: bad or whatever, and they pull that guy and you

1549
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: go in. The goal is to maintain the standard, is

1550
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,880
Speaker 1: to not be the weak link. It's too you don't

1551
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: necessarily have to outshine anyone, but you got to make

1552
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: sure you keep the boat going and don't let it sink.

1553
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 1: And I think that's the same kind of concept when

1554
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: you're going into a show that has been on for

1555
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: a decade, decade and a half, um like an n

1556
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:03,560
Speaker 1: C I, it's like a shameless these people, this is

1557
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: a well oiled machine. Everybody knows what they're doing every day,

1558
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: every minute of the day, and so when you come in,

1559
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 1: it's not to disrupt that, but it's too kind of

1560
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: almost like a double dutch thing where you're waiting for

1561
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,160
Speaker 1: your turn. You're waiting for your turn, you pop in,

1562
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: you do your thing, and you pop out. And I

1563
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: think that's the That was the kind of the message

1564
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: that I told myself going into all these things, and

1565
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,320
Speaker 1: it worked out that it ended up being a really

1566
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: good role and shining in those in those uh in

1567
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 1: those series. But at the same time, it's maintaining the

1568
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: standard that they've already set over those years. Okay, would

1569
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 1: that being said, Now, you're in the third season of

1570
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 1: Family Union with Arizon Netflix. So you saw how do

1571
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: you went in the first time? Next you say, when

1572
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: you saw when you walk to Netflix the serious Family Union,

1573
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 1: you said, this is golden. But each year, you know,

1574
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 1: there's a conference zone because just the reality of Hollywood

1575
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. You know, you get a gig and

1576
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: that can get that doesn't mean it's gonna land. So

1577
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, just suddenly get an acting gig and just

1578
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,120
Speaker 1: go buy a new car or a new house. Right

1579
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: there as a certain level of uncertainty. So that first

1580
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: season you didn't know if they're gonna get picked up.

1581
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: You were just happy to get a check. I know that,

1582
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:12,759
Speaker 1: I know. Okay, now the second season, now you know Thursdays,

1583
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: where are you ad mentally with the series and how's

1584
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,679
Speaker 1: does overall staff and production? What changes have come about

1585
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: over the last three years. Well, naturally you're gonna have,

1586
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, changes in staff, changing changes and crew. But

1587
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: I think the message overall is the same, and it's

1588
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 1: to tell authentic black stories, and it's to tell stories

1589
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: of real families and to give everybody a voice and

1590
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 1: a point of view. And I think that's what you

1591
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: see in Family Reunion that you don't see in a

1592
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: lot of kind of other other shows that are written

1593
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 1: kind of by white people about black people, filtered through

1594
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: their view of it. I think when you're have in

1595
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,639
Speaker 1: all black writer's room, they're black people writing for black

1596
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 1: people about us. And I think when you have that,

1597
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: you get those little corners of the culture that aren't

1598
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: normally there with other kinds of sitcom. So the goal

1599
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: every single year is to to not shy away from

1600
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: any topics that come up, to not shy away from

1601
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 1: themes that other people wouldn't explore, like death or interpersonal

1602
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 1: relationships between a husband and wife, or you know, dad's

1603
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 1: dealing with their daughters, but in a real way, not

1604
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 1: in a sit commy way, like Jay ran Away, you

1605
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Mos has, you know, problems dealing

1606
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: with his friend dying, or Mose and Coco having financial

1607
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: issues and having to really parent their kids instead of

1608
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 1: throwing money at any kind of problem, which is what

1609
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 1: they used to do. And I think when you do

1610
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:30,439
Speaker 1: that and you don't shy away from those things, and

1611
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: you try and tell it as authentically as possible, and

1612
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: you bring in directors that hold you to a certain

1613
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: standard that keeps a show going, that's what maintains the

1614
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,719
Speaker 1: the the overall kind of greatness of a show, which

1615
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: is which is why you have shows like n C

1616
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: I S and Shameless that continue to go and continue

1617
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: to grow because of the fact that they maintain that

1618
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 1: standard other show, and you're right. In Hollywood, you can

1619
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: get complacent. It's easy after season, you know, three or four,

1620
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: to just be like it's automatic. Now we're gonna get renewed.

1621
01:22:58,280 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: This is how it goes. And that's not how it goes.

1622
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 1: And that's when you a blindside with the cancelation stick

1623
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 1: and worried about your rent. Absolutely, and letna just tell

1624
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: you how significant that what he's talking about when he

1625
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: said all black writing staff for sitcom, just do your

1626
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 1: little history about my life. My first writing sitcom was

1627
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: Me and the Bars on ABC. The show runner was white.

1628
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: It was only two black writers. It was three black

1629
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: writers in that room. Okay. And then my second show,

1630
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 1: it was Parenthood, Robert Townsend show. He was an executive producer.

1631
01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: But the two but the showrunners, they were white. Good

1632
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 1: people are only white people. I'm not saying nothing negative.

1633
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 1: I'm just saying but still not delivering a black point

1634
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: of view for a show, because they have to ask

1635
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: questions and sometimes they would take story arcs that was

1636
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: comfortable to them because they understood it. But we're not

1637
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 1: comfortable to the style and you start debating why are

1638
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:45,559
Speaker 1: we doing this? And then and then we went over.

1639
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 1: I went over to Arsenio. He was struggling with his

1640
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 1: show runner who was white, and that showed eventually that

1641
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: counseled after one season. And then I went over to

1642
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: Um went over to Sister Sister, that show runner was white.

1643
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: But then that's when I met the incredible Felicia Henderson

1644
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 1: and really and she had a lot of influence on

1645
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,680
Speaker 1: those storylines because she had a lot of influence on

1646
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:06,760
Speaker 1: the show running. And then finally I wrapped up my

1647
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:11,160
Speaker 1: sitcom career with the amazing Sara Finny Sara Fanny Johnson

1648
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: on The Parkers and she's a black showrunner who also

1649
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 1: created Moitia. And so each each layer tells a different

1650
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: story because there was different battles that you fight in

1651
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: the room. And if you have a mixed room that

1652
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,560
Speaker 1: really doesn't understand the culture of what they're supposed to

1653
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: be writing about, it creates a sense of why are

1654
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: we doing this? In debating, where I like to believe

1655
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: that a room doing a black sitcom and the writers

1656
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: are black delivers a lot of real, honest script for

1657
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 1: you guys, and also allow you to question stuff without

1658
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: any kick back exactly. And I think that's when I

1659
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 1: talked to Anthony about this. Um. I think in that

1660
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: writer's room, the reason why we get such gold that

1661
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: comes out of that room is because there's no egos involved.

1662
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: Anyone can pitch any joke at any time, and if

1663
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: it's funny, it's funny. If it's not, then it's not.

1664
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: And if it's not funny and Anthony, you know, or

1665
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:00,160
Speaker 1: Meg pitched it, it's just not funny. But if it's

1666
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: funny and the staff writer or a p A pitched it,

1667
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: it's funny and put it in. And I think when

1668
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: you do that and you take the ego out of

1669
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: it and you just want the best product possible, at

1670
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're gonna end up with

1671
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: a show that is a banger that every episode just

1672
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,120
Speaker 1: makes you laugh, makes you cry, makes you jump, makes

1673
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 1: you dance. And when you have that, it's something special.

1674
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:21,040
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we have. You do have

1675
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 1: something pleasure. I'll tell you something, Anthony, I haven't thought

1676
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: about writing on the sitcom Wow twenty years. Twenty years

1677
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: at least seriously, and and I miss it. After watching

1678
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: this show, this serious Family Reunion, I miss it, and

1679
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 1: it was like, Wow, I'm very serious. I was like, wow, man,

1680
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, because I watched a lot of television. I

1681
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: watch a lot of sitcoms, and and you know, like said,

1682
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:50,439
Speaker 1: I was in that little banner run where you know,

1683
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,760
Speaker 1: all that sitcoms were buried on W B and c

1684
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 1: W and up N and all those things, and they

1685
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: were just using our shows to launch networks and things

1686
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:01,200
Speaker 1: like that. And and just to see this show, man,

1687
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: and and nobody has not seen the show, please make

1688
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: it a part of your watch because of the fact

1689
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 1: that it just brought back fund memories about what this

1690
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 1: show is about. And the show is about you know,

1691
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: your your African American man was a successful football player

1692
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 1: and then had to from Seattle who had to move

1693
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 1: your family back down to the south, the great city

1694
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 1: of Atlanta in a great state of Georgia, and you

1695
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 1: and you're living with your mom and your dad played

1696
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,599
Speaker 1: by my man the Shaft, the original Shaft is gonna

1697
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 1: be real richa round tree. And I'm gonna ask you

1698
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 1: about that and a minute and then then then you know,

1699
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 1: because we already talked about her. You know, Loretta Divine,

1700
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 1: the Amazing and Loretta Divine, and you know Timm are

1701
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 1: and and it it's it's you know, the thing about

1702
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 1: it is that when you're working around Anthon, when you're

1703
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:49,839
Speaker 1: working around such legendary actors and actresses like a Loretta

1704
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: and a Larika Richard, how does that help you? Well?

1705
01:26:54,240 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: I think you you study how they work. You study,

1706
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, just the work ethic and and even just

1707
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: what they bring to rehearsals, what they bring to run throughs,

1708
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: and then what they bring to shoot days. You know,

1709
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 1: Loretta really did the best thing she could for me,

1710
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: which is I think our first ever network run through.

1711
01:27:14,439 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 1: And I've done tons of run throughs it's something issue,

1712
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: but I've never done a run through his elite, and

1713
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 1: so I was a little nervous, you know, more than

1714
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 1: the normal uh this time. And I had this big

1715
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: sequence and can't even remember the episode or what it was,

1716
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 1: but I know I had a big kind of like

1717
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 1: comedic sequence that I was hoping would be funny because

1718
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 1: I was going to improb some stuff, but who knew.

1719
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: And I did it, and the network cracked up and

1720
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 1: they were laughing to the point we had to stop

1721
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 1: run through for a second because they were cracking up,

1722
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 1: and then kind of resumed. But I remember I went

1723
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: to the back of the kitchen afterward to exit, and

1724
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 1: Loretta was sitting there because that's what she was gonna

1725
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,760
Speaker 1: enter from. And she looked up at me and she

1726
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: was just like this, do you just make it look

1727
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: so easy? And she was like you did. I love it?

1728
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 1: I love it. And then it made me feel very

1729
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: confident that someone of that stature recognized me and was like,

1730
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: good job. And from then on it's just been it's

1731
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: been a fun dancing and play every day with with

1732
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 1: her and with Richard. Well, you know they you know,

1733
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, I love the series. Right The only the

1734
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,519
Speaker 1: only thing that I was skeptical of this whole series

1735
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: was you trying to fix the Mercedes been I said,

1736
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: the exact same thing. That is, like, that is the

1737
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 1: most impossible thing. Pull me all at one, pull me

1738
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: a shamby or something. But for you to be under

1739
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 1: the hood, I say, he's truck holding some piece that

1740
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: I don't think, but long inside the engine area. It

1741
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:43,439
Speaker 1: was like trying to fix an iPhone. It's ridiculous, it

1742
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: really is, but you know, and at first it was

1743
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be I think it was supposed to be

1744
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: something else, But you know, Meg being Meg. She's like, no,

1745
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,600
Speaker 1: let's get the Mercedes truck in here. I was like,

1746
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 1: that's a writer's you know what I'm saying, that's a

1747
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: writer's moment right there. But it didn't, it didn't hurt

1748
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 1: to show at all. I'm just that's just me and

1749
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,640
Speaker 1: you talk having fun in this interview about you if

1750
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: they're trying to fix the Mercedes been and talk about that.

1751
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get into the episodes very well. You

1752
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,800
Speaker 1: should watch that, watch all that pros. Like I said,

1753
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the third season right now, but you

1754
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: need to go back to season one to really see

1755
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: the arc of the series. Watch these kids, these amazingly

1756
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 1: talented kids, Uh, grow as as young actors, young people.

1757
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: I'll talk about the kids who play your children on

1758
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: the show. You know, they're amazing. I think I was

1759
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:35,080
Speaker 1: the last one kind of cast on this show because

1760
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: they were kind of looking for that role. They were

1761
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: looking for that actor for the longest and um, when

1762
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: I came on, the kids had already kind of been

1763
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,719
Speaker 1: their week. They went through like an acting camp. Uh,

1764
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 1: and it showed. And Eric Deane seton. I mean he's

1765
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 1: just he's such a professional. Um, and it was such

1766
01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:51,960
Speaker 1: a gift for them because I think when as soon

1767
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: as we started kind of getting into filming, those kids

1768
01:29:55,160 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 1: were professional. They knew everything about what they needed to do.

1769
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 1: They knew where there members where, they knew about lighting,

1770
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: they knew where to stand, they knew how to pause

1771
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 1: for laughs, they knew all the technical kind of stuff

1772
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 1: that comes along with the sitcom because I mean, you know,

1773
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 1: the sitcoms are a little more technical, there's a lot

1774
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:13,320
Speaker 1: more to them. As an actor, it's a little heavier

1775
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,920
Speaker 1: on you because you have to worry about blocking someone's light,

1776
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: and you know where you're blocking and where you're standing,

1777
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: and you know making sure you're on turn to the

1778
01:30:20,520 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 1: right camera and different things. And those kids just picked

1779
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 1: it up and they just got it and they've gotten

1780
01:30:27,080 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: it ever since. And they and they're funny and they're

1781
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: just they improve their little stuff. They're so talented. They

1782
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: all sing and dance. And except for you, I noticed

1783
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,880
Speaker 1: you're not singing there, sir. That's one talent. You don't

1784
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 1: possesses the singing skills. But here's the thing I'll give

1785
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:43,920
Speaker 1: myself a little credit, is I can hold a tune.

1786
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make an album, but you know,

1787
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 1: I can. I'll be your I'll be your background. Just

1788
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it well. You know that

1789
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: the beauty of it is that you have a we

1790
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: have a wonderful career that you rest mate. You're working

1791
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 1: on the show that successful, and I like to believe

1792
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 1: that they will bring it back for another season. We

1793
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 1: never know how the guards play out there, but it's

1794
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: definitely uh as great value. Like I said, when I'm

1795
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 1: watching the third season, I'm going, I'm trying to and

1796
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 1: he's the thing. I'm trying to fit this writing in

1797
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 1: my schedule. I'm going, how can I get I can

1798
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 1: write well? I could do expect script. Maybe I can

1799
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 1: say Meg expect grip and then she goes, I don't

1800
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 1: want to write again. I can no way. But but

1801
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: just what you come on our show. You're gonna have

1802
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: a good time. That's the thing. I know. I know

1803
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: I am. And it takes in Atlanta, correct, you know, No, No,

1804
01:31:39,080 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 1: we're right here in Paramount Studios. Paramount Studios. Okay, just

1805
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: to say that where the family is based. Madea's houses

1806
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: in Columbus, Georgia. We go, we go to Atlanta, bunch,

1807
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:49,799
Speaker 1: but it's in Columbus Georgia. It's a small town in Georgia.

1808
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: You know, I know what Columbus, right, just just go

1809
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,439
Speaker 1: east like you're going to Burmanham. That's what it's like.

1810
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,639
Speaker 1: I know exactly what Columbus, Georges is that, but I can't.

1811
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 1: I would not close this interview. I'm from Houston, Texas.

1812
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 1: You're San Antonio, Texas. I love Text Max. You know

1813
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: I will eat that for breakfast. I would eat it

1814
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 1: for lunch. I I just can't get enough of I

1815
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,240
Speaker 1: just had to clothes and find out where was your

1816
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 1: heart when it comes to text Max, where's your heart?

1817
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:20,800
Speaker 1: It was? It was so obsessed with Text Max that

1818
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: I had to leave Texas to stay my heart because

1819
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,280
Speaker 1: if not, it would be clogged that I'd be I'd

1820
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 1: be on me on medication. Right now. I just eat.

1821
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: I eat. I eat flower cheese right all day. Thank you.

1822
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 1: When my brother, you look fantastic, and I'm glad you

1823
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: lost that offensive line work weight, swear why receiver that

1824
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 1: you want to play in this sitcom? Today you look fantastic, Anthony,

1825
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 1: And I'm glad I got the interview on my show

1826
01:32:50,240 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 1: man And just also just to spread the greatness of

1827
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: this sitcom Man that you guys are doing a great

1828
01:32:55,160 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: job setting a great message and brought back so many

1829
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: great memories man, about what I did. And I always

1830
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 1: feel blessed about it because a lot of people see

1831
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 1: a lot of my sitcomps now that I wrote on

1832
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 1: and produced on Netflix. Now you know, and it gets

1833
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,720
Speaker 1: to people you wrote this, Yeah, that was me, that

1834
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 1: was me. That was me. So I'm kind of like

1835
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,960
Speaker 1: getting some Netflix love, Anthony. But again, brother, thank you

1836
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 1: for coming on money making conversations. Thank you for having

1837
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Speaker 1: me man. I really appreciate it. This is a lot

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Speaker 1: and these values that were built into the brand. The

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Speaker 1: Catheine marka Squag award represents men who have strength, whose

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Speaker 1: wisdom is assertive, and who is genuine in their spirit.

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Speaker 1: We will be right back with more money Making Conversations

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Speaker 1: with your host, Rashan McDonald. Welcome back to Money Making

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Speaker 1: Conversations with your host Rashaan McDonald. My next guest. She's

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Speaker 1: an industry decision maker. She's a celebrities. She's an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: She's Shrine Woulds. She's the president of CEO of the

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Speaker 1: fashion and lifestyle businesses. She operates with her husband, creative director,

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Speaker 1: Guy Would Senior. They create transferable wealth and legacy through

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Speaker 1: their serial entrepreneurship. You're about to understand what I'm about

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Speaker 1: to say. Sharene has been featured in various media outlets,

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Speaker 1: Cafe mom dot com, CBS Posts dot Com, New York

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Speaker 1: Daily News, Essence dot com, Good Morning America and MSNBC

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Speaker 1: dot com, The New York Times and numerous other press outlets.

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Speaker 1: She is the administrative leader and visionary for Families Growing

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Speaker 1: Fashion and Lifestyle Empire. Please work with the money making

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Speaker 1: conversations Sharene Wood. Hello, Hello, thank you, but a great introduction.

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Speaker 1: Is so lovely to see you with Shawn. I'm so happy, well,

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Speaker 1: thank you. You know we're coming out of COVID nati.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm happy to see all my friends to

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Speaker 1: be able to come out of this. When you see

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Speaker 1: a number like over a half million people uh dying

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Speaker 1: from this uh, this pandemic, you really feel blessed when

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Speaker 1: you talk to people you call your friends. I'm happy

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Speaker 1: to be seen and happy to see you. Yes, you

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Speaker 1: are so right. This year has been a lot a

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Speaker 1: lot of personal reflection, a lot of business growth, a

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Speaker 1: lot of strategy, a lot of sitting still, a lot

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Speaker 1: of thinking about how to vibrate on higher levels. So

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Speaker 1: this is in a transformatively year for everyone in every

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Speaker 1: sense of the sense of the word. And you know,

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Speaker 1: your business is fashion is closed, is tied to a

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Speaker 1: lot of live events, and then you live in the

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Speaker 1: state that basically shut down, They closed the Broadway, they

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Speaker 1: closed movie theaters in New York City area, which of

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Speaker 1: course affected Harlem as well. Talk about before we get

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Speaker 1: into why we really have you show, you talked about

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Speaker 1: this beverage that I have in front of me and

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Speaker 1: this fantastic ward. I only have one bottle left that

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Speaker 1: I have won't display all my desk right now. But

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Speaker 1: the amazing part about making these transitions but also understanding

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Speaker 1: that your dream is being shut down by something that

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Speaker 1: you can't control, which was COVID nineteen wow. So I

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Speaker 1: think for a lot of business owners, the routine of

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Speaker 1: business just immediately stopping it was a shock one you

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Speaker 1: you are always prepared for. You should have enough resources

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Speaker 1: for yourself personally for a year, but no one had

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Speaker 1: ever thought for your business. This was almost um an

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Speaker 1: expense that you just didn't think that you would have

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Speaker 1: to maintain a business for almost a year without the

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Speaker 1: regular profit that you have um mid uh mid twenty.

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Speaker 1: I would never have thought that both of my businesses

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Speaker 1: and then I expanded during a pandemic, but both of

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01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:20,559
Speaker 1: my main businesses will be shut down for four months

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Speaker 1: before you know, a lot of people we talk about

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Speaker 1: a pivot before there was a pivot. There was a panic,

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Speaker 1: What's going on. I'm concerned about the safety of my family,

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Speaker 1: my UM community. I had started off dealing with my

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Speaker 1: mom's recent stroke. UM so UM. I had already had

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Speaker 1: a medical experience that had taken hold of my life,

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Speaker 1: and I was ultimately half a caregiver from my mom,

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Speaker 1: who was hopefully getting better and recovered from that. I

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Speaker 1: was not prepared. UM. I literally had to sit down

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Speaker 1: and restrategize so many different things. And I am so

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Speaker 1: lucky that I was able to and had the forethought

1958
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Speaker 1: UM knowing that I was already changing my business, but

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01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 1: Covid made me change it in ways that I didn't

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Speaker 1: know that. I had to limited ability to have in

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Speaker 1: person live events that was the main source of Harlem Habitactionally,

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Speaker 1: we are very social family. We love social gatherings. Our

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Speaker 1: liquor is built around creating these big, um fabulous events

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Speaker 1: where you can enjoy our cocktails. So we ultimately had

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Speaker 1: to redefine Covid. We had to build a robust e

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Speaker 1: commerce platform. We had to build strategies that didn't involve

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Speaker 1: going to meet and do everything virtual and my customers

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Speaker 1: for you know, my celebrity customers ultimately had to sit

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Speaker 1: down and some are still sitting down for more than

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Speaker 1: a year because no live events. So we really had

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Speaker 1: to reposition our personalize, our professionalize, our strategies into something

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Speaker 1: that is not gonna be a back to normal. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a new routine. And I think businesses that

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Speaker 1: thrive are have to we strategize and reposition themselves in

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Speaker 1: every sense of the word. And it's really amazing because

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Speaker 1: when we're talking about well you you're used to big

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Speaker 1: transitions and the unfortunately one that you can you can

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Speaker 1: control those transitions. When you were from five thousand one

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Speaker 1: flavors to the incredible store that you have in hall

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Speaker 1: and called Hallom Habadashar. Now let's talk about that transition,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll talking about how you always are. I

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Speaker 1: like to believe ahead of the curve. That's where the

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Speaker 1: visionary part of our love about you. You you sit around,

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01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: you're not satisfied by your current success. You're always looking

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Speaker 1: at lanes of future success. And then we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: into the spirits in the water. But let's talk about

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Speaker 1: that transition from five thousand one flavors, which is amazing

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Speaker 1: successful in the hip hop community to Hallam habadash Tree, Well,

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Speaker 1: one thing I like to tell any entrepreneur is that

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Speaker 1: where I'm at is not where I started, and this

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Speaker 1: it seems like a seamless plan of great strategy and

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Speaker 1: ultimately being an entrepreneur as being ready and available for

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Speaker 1: whatever opportunity comes. UM. I started five thousand and one

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Speaker 1: Flavors with my business partner then boyfriend now and husband

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Speaker 1: happily married to Mr Guy Wood, creative director of five

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Speaker 1: thousand and one Flavors. It is a creative custom clothing

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Speaker 1: company with designing manufacturer clothes for artists and entertainers to

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Speaker 1: wear on album covers, tours, red carpets, live events, and

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01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 1: we've ultimately been doing that for twenty nine years. Next year,

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Speaker 1: in two we are celebrating our thirty If you're in business,

2001
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:34,200
Speaker 1: started as a junior in Columbia University and just started

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01:42:34,240 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 1: working with any in every mainstream gospel, hip hop, R

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Speaker 1: and B country rock artists that you can imagine, so

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01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 1: you can think Dj Khaled, Daddy, Yankee, Lady Gaga, P Diddy,

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Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige, any and everybody that you know and

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Speaker 1: love and music. We've worked with UM athletes who work

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Speaker 1: in Colin Kaepernick, Lebron James. So we have a long

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Speaker 1: history that's still uh um you know, very vibrant. We

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Speaker 1: decided about twenty years ago in twenty m to start

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Speaker 1: Harlem Habit actually to address the increasing customers who are

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Speaker 1: not celebrities but have their own red carpet moments. So

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01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:18,760
Speaker 1: we have a lot of uh customers who love to

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01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,559
Speaker 1: look great, who love statement pieces. So Harlem Habit actually

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01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,800
Speaker 1: was our attempt to create a retail experience for people

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01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,640
Speaker 1: to get that same celebrity treatment. But we knew that

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Speaker 1: Harlem Habit actually always had to be lifestyle. Lifestyle is

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Speaker 1: such a grand category because lifestyle is anything that you love, touching,

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Speaker 1: feeling where on a on a daily basis during your lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: So for us, it was an instant um recognition that

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Speaker 1: we can go from clothing and to home beauty accessories,

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01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 1: um you know, so anything on your lovely set will

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Speaker 1: be considered lifestyle. You have clothes, you have furniture, you

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01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:58,560
Speaker 1: have electronics, and so ultimately, as long as the category

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Speaker 1: that we were in um and categories and different products,

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01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:05,679
Speaker 1: as long as it had the same brand aesthetic that

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Speaker 1: delivered quality and bespoke and customization that Harlem Haberdash we had.

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Speaker 1: It was a no brainer for me. So when people

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Speaker 1: say what's the what's the transition? To me, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of seamless. As we work with our clients and they

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Speaker 1: have on these fabulous outfits that we have on we're

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Speaker 1: participating in very celebratory events now instead of wearing just

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Speaker 1: out clods, that wearing our close in holding our spirit

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Speaker 1: products and the same celebratory events. So it was very

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Speaker 1: seamless for me. And when people think about it, they go, oh,

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Speaker 1: same party, different products, same brand. So I totally thought

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Speaker 1: um that it knew that lifestyle was where we wanted

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Speaker 1: to go. Um. So, ultimately transforming from five thousand one

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Speaker 1: to Harlem Haberdash me the Spirits h spoke Spirits was

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Speaker 1: another brand expansion that was a no brainer for me.

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Speaker 1: Now that before we get over to that, because you know,

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Speaker 1: one know, I love talking to successful people because they

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01:45:02,479 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 1: make it seem seamless, okay, and we know and you

2043
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 1: know you're so articulated, and because you're talking almost thirty

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01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: years when you talk, when you talk about next year,

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Speaker 1: and I will definitely be at the shop in thirty years,

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Speaker 1: I'll be knocking on the door because we should be

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Speaker 1: all I'm already vaccinated, so I'm ready to travel now.

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Speaker 1: Open absolutely, So you're more likely to be seeing me

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Speaker 1: this year in fact up in the New York area

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Speaker 1: because I'm doing a lot of things with Stephen A.

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01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 1: Smith in that market. But more importantly, when I look

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01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 1: at what you're doing, and I always like this whenever

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01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:34,559
Speaker 1: I interview you, I would like to slow you down

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01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:37,600
Speaker 1: because you're so smooth in your transitions, and what I

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01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: try to deliver on the show is some type of

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01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:44,440
Speaker 1: information and you dropped nuggets because when you made that transition,

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Speaker 1: was there any degree of hesitancy or people question you

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01:45:49,240 --> 01:45:51,800
Speaker 1: about making that transition because you said, like you said,

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Speaker 1: same customers, you know, same customers, You're the same people,

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Speaker 1: but there's always people who say why. So, you know,

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01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:04,719
Speaker 1: the the problem probably is understanding that in my mind

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01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:08,559
Speaker 1: is seamless. But it's two different industries, so it's not

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Speaker 1: as seamless as it seems, because for me, it's just

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Speaker 1: about introducing my brand to a different industry. The one

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01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:18,720
Speaker 1: thing that I know now that I didn't know them

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01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:21,800
Speaker 1: because a lot of times you're like, um, I'm fabulous,

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Speaker 1: you know I can do it. I can do all things.

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Speaker 1: Is that there's a different set of people that you

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01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 1: have to manage, there's a different set of skills, there's

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Speaker 1: a different set of contact that you have to have.

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01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 1: So long as you know that you have a commitment

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01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,479
Speaker 1: to your brand and a product and that that is

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01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 1: a process that you have to wade through, it's not

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01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:44,519
Speaker 1: a problem. The problem is knowing that one I'm trying

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01:46:44,520 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 1: to reach a new set of customers in a new category,

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01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:50,960
Speaker 1: but I'm telling the same story. I still have a

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01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 1: commitment to my brand, and I know that anything that

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01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:55,880
Speaker 1: I want to associated with my brand, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be quality. I want to be consistent with the product.

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01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,720
Speaker 1: I want to have a certain brand position, already have

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01:47:01,720 --> 01:47:04,839
Speaker 1: a certain price. So I was always committed to the brand.

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01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:09,920
Speaker 1: But now when I go from a consulting UH Image Wardrobe,

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01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 1: consulting a five thousand and one to a retail to

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01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: a spirit those are all different industries and so what

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01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 1: slowed me down and the bumps in the roads are

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01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 1: learning that industry and learning the you know who's who,

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01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:25,320
Speaker 1: and learning the players and who is your strategic partners.

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01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 1: Those are always hard to identifying any business in any industry.

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01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,840
Speaker 1: But as long as you're committed to delivering a certain

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01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:36,840
Speaker 1: product or service, it's just about navigating and finding out.

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01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:39,320
Speaker 1: The one thing I like about being in business is

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01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:43,120
Speaker 1: that if you are truly with like minded individuals, you

2093
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 1: really almost have to know who's in your network and

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01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 1: who you can access. And so when we talk about

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01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,280
Speaker 1: spending time with like minded people, we're talking about people

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01:47:53,360 --> 01:47:56,200
Speaker 1: that can help scale our business, that can help you grow,

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01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,880
Speaker 1: that can point you to the right person. And so

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01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 1: that's why it's important to surround yourself with black minded

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01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:05,360
Speaker 1: people that are vibrating on the same level that you are.

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Speaker 1: That's a nugget right there, girl, pulling that out this

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Speaker 1: interfere sharing it out there, because people don't understand. You know.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I stopped managing Steve Harvey in two sixteen.

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01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 1: You know, I was struggling to find my footing because

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01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: I didn't have like minded people around me. I didn't

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01:48:22,400 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 1: have people who who respected me. I have people who

2106
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: looked at my resume with wow, but I didn't have

2107
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 1: that support system. And that's all you're talking about. You

2108
01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 1: gotta have people that when you say, hey, I want

2109
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 1: this idea, they're not always trying to shoot it down.

2110
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 1: They trying to show you how you can be successful,

2111
01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:40,600
Speaker 1: or show you a different route so you can be successful.

2112
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 1: But it's all about being like minded. You don't know

2113
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:45,519
Speaker 1: where you don't surround yourself with haters. That leads the

2114
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:49,679
Speaker 1: frustration and also leads to leads to you going doubting yourself.

2115
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 1: And when you're being an entrepreneur, it's not like an

2116
01:48:52,360 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 1: eight to five. You know, eight to five basically, you

2117
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:56,120
Speaker 1: go to the job, they're gonna tell you what you do,

2118
01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:58,639
Speaker 1: You go home, get your lunch break, and my complaint

2119
01:48:58,640 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: all day, You're still gonna get paid. When you're an entrepreneur,

2120
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 1: you can't complain all day about what you say is

2121
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 1: your drink. That really is a problem. Correct, You have

2122
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 1: to be so uh for we'd thinking problem solving and

2123
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 1: you really do have to tell the universe what you need.

2124
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,280
Speaker 1: And when I mean tell a universe, that means that

2125
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 1: if you have a contact that has a certain network,

2126
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:25,439
Speaker 1: you have to be very honest you know if this

2127
01:49:25,479 --> 01:49:27,960
Speaker 1: is what I need. And you'd be surprised with that

2128
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:31,880
Speaker 1: openness and transparency will will will get you a lot

2129
01:49:31,920 --> 01:49:33,600
Speaker 1: of times we sit there with these ideas and we

2130
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone, Oh, I need an account and I

2131
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:38,920
Speaker 1: need a I need help, I need a resource. Like

2132
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:42,920
Speaker 1: minded people are gonna point you in the right direction. Um.

2133
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:47,840
Speaker 1: I had a great of experience when I'm part of

2134
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 1: a great organization called Support Your Girlfriends. I went to

2135
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:56,479
Speaker 1: a wonderful retreat with some young ladies that I that

2136
01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 1: I became friends with. But we had this great experience.

2137
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: What send across and Senda says something out of dinner

2138
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:05,559
Speaker 1: and it and it blew my mind. She was like,

2139
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 1: everything you need is in the room. And that means

2140
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:11,559
Speaker 1: that if you're in a great group of people surrounded

2141
01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:15,519
Speaker 1: by like minded that you guys are speaking each other's

2142
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:18,759
Speaker 1: brand in names and rooms that you're not in. So

2143
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 1: when we come together, I Support your Girlfriends and then

2144
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 1: we go out in the world. It's about thirty of

2145
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:26,640
Speaker 1: us and someone knows that I'm looking for a liquor distributor,

2146
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:28,640
Speaker 1: or someone knows that I'm looking for a retail and

2147
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:31,639
Speaker 1: they connect me. That is what you need need when

2148
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:34,479
Speaker 1: you need like minded people in your circle, people that

2149
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 1: are looking for connections, people that are looking for opportunities

2150
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:40,320
Speaker 1: for you when you're not in the room. And so

2151
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:42,720
Speaker 1: I've really been blessing this last year to build some

2152
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:46,519
Speaker 1: great strategic partnerships from work that I've done before, or

2153
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,200
Speaker 1: networks that I've built, What people know that I need

2154
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:53,719
Speaker 1: a certain task or connection. You know, it's really interesting, Uh,

2155
01:50:54,120 --> 01:50:56,560
Speaker 1: I tell people that, you know, I wish COVID on

2156
01:50:56,720 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 1: no one. It was. It was thrust upon us. But

2157
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 1: I didn't stopped thinking. You know, you know, I still

2158
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 1: paid my staff. I was in a position to do that.

2159
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:06,840
Speaker 1: I would apply for that little p P P long

2160
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 1: and really angered me so much. Serena, Why why I

2161
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,599
Speaker 1: wish I had stayed on the sideline? Said I couldn't

2162
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:17,280
Speaker 1: get it because what they gave me. It was like, really,

2163
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:20,000
Speaker 1: where are these people out here out there ripping on

2164
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:23,240
Speaker 1: people and buying cars and homes and taking vacation. Why

2165
01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:27,479
Speaker 1: I'm not getting that check? What did they? I don't

2166
01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:31,559
Speaker 1: know what? You know? So when I but the beauty

2167
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:33,640
Speaker 1: of when I was introducing you that I wanted to

2168
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 1: point out to people. It's just the range of media

2169
01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:38,880
Speaker 1: that you crossed. You know, you're not a black talent.

2170
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 1: You know, you're not a person that that fashion is

2171
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:45,040
Speaker 1: only for urban you your fashion University's why I want

2172
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,800
Speaker 1: to point out the New York Times when the point MSNBC.

2173
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 1: Yes you've been on ny dot com, Yes you've been

2174
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:52,280
Speaker 1: on Essence dot com, but you've also been in New

2175
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:55,439
Speaker 1: York Daily News. You've also been in Huffington Post. When

2176
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:58,720
Speaker 1: you get that range of media coming to you, how

2177
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:03,400
Speaker 1: does that allow you to UM promote your business? First

2178
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 1: of all, and I also develop your point of view

2179
01:52:05,400 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 1: for for your for the brand that you're putting out there,

2180
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:09,880
Speaker 1: which is fashion and now we're gonna go into water,

2181
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:13,640
Speaker 1: and now we're going to go into spirits. So I

2182
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 1: have been blessed with a celebrity adjacent brand. UM. So

2183
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:23,760
Speaker 1: the second that you can mention Beyonce, jay Z, Maria Harry,

2184
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:26,080
Speaker 1: they want to talk to you. So I I am

2185
01:52:26,120 --> 01:52:29,439
Speaker 1: not um not knowing that that is such a blessing

2186
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:31,760
Speaker 1: for me. So unfortunately I do have kind of a

2187
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:34,800
Speaker 1: leg up in terms of press. But I also know

2188
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,280
Speaker 1: it is a great opportunity for me, want to tell

2189
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:41,519
Speaker 1: my story, for me to build a future, UM plan

2190
01:52:41,800 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 1: for me to seek strategic partners. So everything that I

2191
01:52:45,479 --> 01:52:47,759
Speaker 1: want I'll put in the I'll put in the universe.

2192
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a strategic partner. I'm looking for national distribution.

2193
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking to expand this and so when you speak it,

2194
01:52:53,680 --> 01:52:56,720
Speaker 1: it happens people read. A lot of times, people don't

2195
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:59,240
Speaker 1: realize that social media, when you press in there are

2196
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 1: in users who look at that and know. So you're

2197
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 1: you're you're engaging in a conversation with the unknown when

2198
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 1: you do press. So I'm always thankful for the great press.

2199
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:11,479
Speaker 1: I'm always looking for the next thing to talk about,

2200
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:13,439
Speaker 1: because no one wants to only talk about what you're

2201
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:16,240
Speaker 1: doing now, what you're doing in the future. Um. I

2202
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:20,439
Speaker 1: love planning expansion. I love creating my own economy. So

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01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 1: for me, entrepreneur is not just about talking about what

2204
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:26,040
Speaker 1: you're doing, but what you're going to do. So the

2205
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:29,320
Speaker 1: platform has allowed us to really think about brand expansion.

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01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:33,080
Speaker 1: We love to circle back to some of our favorite

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01:53:33,479 --> 01:53:35,840
Speaker 1: favorite press outlets and talk about what we're doing in

2208
01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 1: the future. It becomes something that grows, evolves, and I

2209
01:53:40,040 --> 01:53:42,960
Speaker 1: think COVID made a lot of people, including me, literally

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01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:46,760
Speaker 1: sit still and think about everything. Your whole life, your strategy,

2211
01:53:47,120 --> 01:53:49,640
Speaker 1: what are you doing, how are you moving? Um? I

2212
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:51,920
Speaker 1: felt like I was doing a lot of moving, but

2213
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:54,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't progressing in some areas. So it allowed me

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01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:57,720
Speaker 1: to restrategize. And as much as it was a lot

2215
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:00,360
Speaker 1: of strategy, unfortunately I had a lot of you know,

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01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:03,679
Speaker 1: death in my network and my family. Unfortunately I lost

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01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:07,160
Speaker 1: I lost my beloved grandmother, my oldest member of my family,

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01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:10,439
Speaker 1: and my beloved niece, the youngest member of my family.

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01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:16,200
Speaker 1: Um fortunately succumbed to a brain um tumor cancer. And

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01:54:16,280 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 1: so in between all of that tragedy, there was a

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01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:21,400
Speaker 1: lot of great success for a lot of businesses, and

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01:54:21,439 --> 01:54:24,800
Speaker 1: you you wouldn't believe it. I couldn't believe that my

2223
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:27,599
Speaker 1: business grew while I was in the house, sitting right

2224
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:30,760
Speaker 1: in front of my family wall. But it really just

2225
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:34,280
Speaker 1: allowed me to strategize about what I wanted to do.

2226
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 1: When we talk about building a transferable business of legacy

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01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 1: and wealth, that's really what I'm trying to do. I'm

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01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:43,240
Speaker 1: trying to make it better for my daughter who's twelve Sitney.

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01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm already made it better for my brother, who when

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01:54:46,400 --> 01:54:49,760
Speaker 1: I started with twelve, and so I see that becoming

2231
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 1: an entrepreneur and creating a platform that my family can

2232
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 1: benefit from, it's easy. It's easier to to build wealth,

2233
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 1: it's easier to grow your business is easier to do

2234
01:55:01,320 --> 01:55:04,360
Speaker 1: things when you have a connection. I had no connection

2235
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:06,840
Speaker 1: to business, I had no network, I had no understanding.

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01:55:07,200 --> 01:55:10,160
Speaker 1: I didn't understand how they operate, how they were structured.

2237
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:14,480
Speaker 1: And so generational wealth is not just about money. It's

2238
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:19,879
Speaker 1: about information, knowledge, access and resources and creating those networks

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01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 1: so that your kids can stand stand on something so

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01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:25,040
Speaker 1: that they're not starting from scratch. That's the goal for

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01:55:25,080 --> 01:55:28,600
Speaker 1: me as an entrepreneur, and I see it now after

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01:55:28,720 --> 01:55:31,840
Speaker 1: thirty years that it really it is working, and it

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01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 1: is something that the next generation, in the future generations

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01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:39,120
Speaker 1: of my family will benefit from. Change your water, change

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01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 1: your life. I'm holding this your water marvelous. Uh Why

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01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 1: why water? We're gonna get to the beatboat. We're gonna

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01:55:45,800 --> 01:55:47,800
Speaker 1: get to the spirit a minute. But why Because it's

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01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:50,440
Speaker 1: a very competitive field out there. And then people some

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01:55:50,480 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 1: people look at water's water. You know, what's what's the

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01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:56,280
Speaker 1: different drinking water of water holes or water out of

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01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 1: the store. Are you go to office depot, they got

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01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 1: their water. You go to you go you get the water,

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01:56:02,040 --> 01:56:04,160
Speaker 1: going to your five gallons and get water out of

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01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:06,760
Speaker 1: there for forty cents a gallon. Oh, I have so

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01:56:06,840 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 1: many options. You have Coca Cola. Got there water, so

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01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:11,800
Speaker 1: many options at water. You come out and package of

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01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:14,640
Speaker 1: fantastic water I've tasted. I had to fight off the

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01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:16,680
Speaker 1: rest of my staff. I got one bottle left. I

2259
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:19,360
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure it lasts for this interview. After

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01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:23,240
Speaker 1: this interview, I will be drinking. In fact, I'm gonna

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01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:26,160
Speaker 1: bust this over right now. Three Okay, cool, I'm gonna

2262
01:56:26,200 --> 01:56:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you guys more So, we briefly got

2263
01:56:29,320 --> 01:56:33,080
Speaker 1: into our rand expansion and yes we did start to

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01:56:33,120 --> 01:56:37,320
Speaker 1: spoke spirits and uh now we are h spoke spirit

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01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 1: and beverages. So I'm excited about that. Um so I'm

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01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 1: excited about that. So we have a drum agin and

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01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:48,800
Speaker 1: let's talk about Let's talk about the water first, because

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01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:51,960
Speaker 1: it's it's fantastic, as you know, of course, the older

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01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:55,800
Speaker 1: less is. Uh, it just went down very good. It's

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01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:58,200
Speaker 1: something I would drink on a regular basis. But why

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01:56:58,200 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 1: did you decide to go? Because it says super entered

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01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:04,320
Speaker 1: and uh it's a Aclin water is uh pH is

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01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 1: nap point five plus change your water, change your life.

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01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 1: Well exactly that slogan, right, that means regards to this

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01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:14,600
Speaker 1: particular water that you call marvelous. So what actually happened

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01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 1: is that we partnered with a family member who had

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01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:23,440
Speaker 1: Marvelous Waters. It's an alkaline water product. We partnered with him.

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01:57:24,200 --> 01:57:28,000
Speaker 1: He was already in the marketplace, but needed needed to

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01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:31,240
Speaker 1: scale up, needed to expand direct to consumer, needed to

2280
01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:35,320
Speaker 1: expand as national retailers. So Kenneth Marvin Barnes is a

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01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 1: family member, so he already had Marvelous Border, so we

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01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 1: brought him into our portfolio as h spoke Spirits and Beverages.

2283
01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 1: We expanded some of his sales channels. But it's alkaline

2284
01:57:46,560 --> 01:57:50,080
Speaker 1: border and so for us, it was about having spirits

2285
01:57:50,120 --> 01:57:54,160
Speaker 1: and water, and it wasn't about creating it because it

2286
01:57:54,280 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 1: already created. It was about working with a family member

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01:57:57,480 --> 01:57:59,480
Speaker 1: of ours who was already in the industry and helping

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01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:01,920
Speaker 1: to expand this. So it's been a wonderful addition to

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01:58:01,960 --> 01:58:05,160
Speaker 1: our portfolio. We're excited to bring it to market. We're

2290
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:09,760
Speaker 1: expanded to nashal Um to national distribution and nationwide retailers,

2291
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:13,120
Speaker 1: so we're looking for retailers to expand. But yeah, I

2292
01:58:13,160 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: will absolutely say you and your staff more so please

2293
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:19,760
Speaker 1: don't worry. It won't be the last that the Rashan

2294
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,120
Speaker 1: McDonald's staff, get I'm gonna put it in. I'm gonna

2295
01:58:22,120 --> 01:58:23,840
Speaker 1: tell you just what we're gonna do. I'm gonna do

2296
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:27,880
Speaker 1: you this, you know, because my show right now is uh,

2297
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:31,000
Speaker 1: it's on YouTube and it's also on podcast. Will come

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01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 1: May six, it will be broadcast the Atlantam market two

2299
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:38,560
Speaker 1: million homes and in the fall will be syndicated. So

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01:58:38,720 --> 01:58:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm doing my shows that I tape starting in May six.

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01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:45,720
Speaker 1: I'm always complain about being warm in my studio, so

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01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep if you don't mind. If I ain't

2303
01:58:47,600 --> 01:58:49,440
Speaker 1: got to sign a release, I'm gonna keep a bottle

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01:58:50,200 --> 01:58:53,920
Speaker 1: of Marvel's water on my desk, just like I have

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01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,680
Speaker 1: it right here, and I was sipping in between interviews.

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01:58:56,720 --> 01:58:59,440
Speaker 1: But I need me a little twig. So starting May six,

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01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:01,920
Speaker 1: a six, al right, So to day right, it's made

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01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:05,040
Speaker 1: six that I will be doing this starting next month.

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01:59:05,120 --> 01:59:08,800
Speaker 1: So you are the official water of the morning making

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Speaker 1: conversation host about Rashan McDonald. How about that. I love it,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Rashan. I love you, and I'm gonna send

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Speaker 1: you a bunch of your toff a bunch of the time.

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Speaker 1: So I love it. But refreshing it's about you know,

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Speaker 1: optimization for your health, it's about fleshing your body, it's

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Speaker 1: about living your best life. And I'm all for that. Um.

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Speaker 1: I love the product, which is why I brought it

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Speaker 1: into our portfolio. I love, like I said, to create

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Speaker 1: generational well, so bringing another member into our family, we

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Speaker 1: learn the industry together. Spirits is very different from water.

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Speaker 1: But who doesn't drink water? Everybody, So it's a more

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Speaker 1: diverse customer base that we can reach. Everybody's into living

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Speaker 1: their best life. So change your water, change your life

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Speaker 1: is really about changing from other water products to an

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Speaker 1: alkalon water product that's beneficial, that that you know, flushes

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Speaker 1: your body of toxins that help you live your best life.

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Speaker 1: And our black and brown communities we need every advantage

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Speaker 1: we can in the health field to get rid of

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Speaker 1: some of the healthcare disparities that we suffer from. And

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Speaker 1: so it was a product that was a no brainer

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Speaker 1: to us. Well, it takes fantastic and it's again the

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Speaker 1: official water of money making. Conversation is Marvel started May

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Speaker 1: six on our show starts broadcast on the a IP Network.

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic, Like two billion homes in the North Georgian

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Speaker 1: and Atlanta area. And there's four hundred thousand subscribers on

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Speaker 1: their YouTube channels, so and any percent of their audience

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Speaker 1: on their YouTube channel is international. So I love it.

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Speaker 1: So we ship director consumer Marvelous waters dot com. We

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Speaker 1: offer it in a six pack, twelve pack, and a

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Speaker 1: twenty four packs, and so we are excited that we

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Speaker 1: have a you know, a bunch of new customers throughout

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Speaker 1: the country. Previously was not distributed directed consumers, so that's

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Speaker 1: been a wonderful sales channel for us. We're super excited.

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02:00:58,240 --> 02:01:00,880
Speaker 1: So it's easier to ship water than spirits, so it's

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Speaker 1: a great addition to our protfolio. Well doing covid UH

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Speaker 1: spirits sales sword they said people was consuming alcohol at

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Speaker 1: a very high rate. So I think you're launching a

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Speaker 1: vodka line coming out of covid. I think it's perfect

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Speaker 1: because people want to celebrate, people want a good drink.

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Speaker 1: I lively remember many years ago at a very popular

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Speaker 1: comic cloth, So I am very aware of alcohol consumption

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Speaker 1: and the power of vodka is great. So why did

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02:01:32,640 --> 02:01:34,760
Speaker 1: you choose vodka? And tell us what is the future

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02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:38,040
Speaker 1: of what you're gonna do with this. So in eighteen

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Speaker 1: UH Carlon Habita. Actually we expanded into HH Spoke Spirits.

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Speaker 1: We have a rum Agennaa vodka. We've had that wonderful

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Speaker 1: curated collection since eighteen COVID people were home uh quarantinings,

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Speaker 1: you know, sheltering in place, and so sales of a

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Speaker 1: lot of different industries were fantastic. It so essentially you

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02:02:01,360 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 1: went from brick and mortar to click and order, so

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Speaker 1: anything that you can access from home, it was a go.

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02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:11,400
Speaker 1: And Spirits, especially Black Spirits, really took off, you know,

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02:02:11,480 --> 02:02:16,320
Speaker 1: after the June teenth of celebrations and recognition that we

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02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:19,960
Speaker 1: need to support each other. A lot of black companies

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02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:23,680
Speaker 1: had a great prosperity and growth and I'm thankful for that.

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02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:27,200
Speaker 1: I just wish that we would understand that black businesses

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02:02:27,200 --> 02:02:31,000
Speaker 1: and small businesses need support and need sales outside of

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02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:33,160
Speaker 1: a protest. We need to be part of your everyday

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02:02:33,200 --> 02:02:37,240
Speaker 1: buying pattern. And so that's sort of a highlighting black

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02:02:37,280 --> 02:02:41,400
Speaker 1: business and black business ownership. That's what really made our

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Speaker 1: business really boom. Uh. The Spirits took off. We had

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Speaker 1: a wonderful e commerce partner that came aboard, so then

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Speaker 1: we could shipt direct to consumers throughout our HH bespoke

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Speaker 1: spirit dot com website, so we opened up thirty eight

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Speaker 1: more states during the pandemic, so there was growth. Even

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Speaker 1: when they would stay at home, you know, or just

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Speaker 1: be in place, we actually grew because we had access

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Speaker 1: to more demographic around the country. So we were excited

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Speaker 1: to partner with reserve Barum available at hhro spoke Spirence

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can get our products straight delivered to

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Speaker 1: your home. Wow. So again the visionary I've always enjoyed

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Speaker 1: speaking to you. You've already locked out another deal here

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02:03:22,240 --> 02:03:23,880
Speaker 1: or just in the end of you that's how good

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02:03:23,920 --> 02:03:28,600
Speaker 1: you are. You know, appreciate it. Talking about this is

2384
02:03:28,600 --> 02:03:32,480
Speaker 1: about opening your mouth. It's about connecting. It's about telling

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Speaker 1: someone what you need or one I I contact you said,

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02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:38,240
Speaker 1: I need a forum to talk about my product. You

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02:03:38,280 --> 02:03:41,080
Speaker 1: need customs, you need someone to come on your show.

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02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:43,960
Speaker 1: So it really is about having a strategy, and a

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02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:48,320
Speaker 1: strategy as simple as an act a request. And so

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Speaker 1: when you're in business, these are the type of things

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Speaker 1: that you have to do. I tell a lot of

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02:03:52,600 --> 02:03:55,240
Speaker 1: people that have a business like you're staying too small

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02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:58,400
Speaker 1: because you're not opening up yourself to the universe. If

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02:03:58,440 --> 02:04:01,360
Speaker 1: you need sales, you need to talk to people, um,

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02:04:01,480 --> 02:04:03,880
Speaker 1: and that that's all sometimes what you need to do

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02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:06,200
Speaker 1: as a plan. And I ask, and you'd be surprised

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02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:09,600
Speaker 1: sometimes people say yes when you ask them a question. Well,

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02:04:09,680 --> 02:04:12,280
Speaker 1: first of all, soon as Samanthew Commin said Ms Woods

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02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:13,880
Speaker 1: want to come back on your show, and said, fie

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Speaker 1: what she wants to talk about? Because I know she's

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02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:17,680
Speaker 1: not gonna call me just to talk. And so when

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Speaker 1: I heard about the water got shipped out and tasted.

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02:04:20,280 --> 02:04:22,720
Speaker 1: But more importantly, you know you can ask, but it

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02:04:22,760 --> 02:04:25,800
Speaker 1: tastes if you know, you know, it's it's hard to

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02:04:25,840 --> 02:04:28,560
Speaker 1: say the word taste the water because water not supposed

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02:04:28,600 --> 02:04:30,560
Speaker 1: to have a taste, but it's supposed to feel good.

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02:04:30,840 --> 02:04:34,560
Speaker 1: It's supposed to make you feel relaxed. All those things

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02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:36,280
Speaker 1: of what I felt when I dropped the water, and

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02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:38,760
Speaker 1: that's where it Immediately. I didn't even have a thought

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Speaker 1: of saying I was gonna make this water part of

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02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:43,000
Speaker 1: my show and have it sit on my desk because

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Speaker 1: my staff is no, I'm always complaining because they were laughing.

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02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:47,600
Speaker 1: But you're coming in with these four piece suits. You know,

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02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:50,120
Speaker 1: you know you're always hot. Because I was turn on

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Speaker 1: this app turn on this as before we start recording

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02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:56,040
Speaker 1: and so but this allows me to comfortably enjoy myself.

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02:04:56,120 --> 02:04:58,480
Speaker 1: Also to promote a friend, because I've always consider your

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Speaker 1: friend and you're a guy who love to deaf and

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02:05:00,640 --> 02:05:02,920
Speaker 1: can't wait to see you guys this summer. Definitely in

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02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:06,000
Speaker 1: the fall and visit your shop and everything. But again,

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02:05:06,280 --> 02:05:09,280
Speaker 1: get those banners up to me again. Starting May six,

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Speaker 1: this will be there on my desk on every episode

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Speaker 1: that airs every Thursday night at nine pm in the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta market on a I B TV. There right now

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02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:22,280
Speaker 1: in over two million homes, So rich Woods. Again, it's

2426
02:05:22,280 --> 02:05:25,360
Speaker 1: about you being smart enough to open your mall. You're

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02:05:25,400 --> 02:05:29,040
Speaker 1: being smart enough to deliver a product that a customer wants.

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Speaker 1: And I consider myself a customer not only in the

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Speaker 1: water but in the b spoke. This vodka is fantastic

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Speaker 1: as well. My staff. When I leave the building, leave

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02:05:37,040 --> 02:05:39,080
Speaker 1: this room, they're gonna be grabbing me. Now. Can we

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02:05:39,120 --> 02:05:42,080
Speaker 1: have it? Now? Can we have it? Like? Five? No? No,

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02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:44,400
Speaker 1: I have this. I'm telling what I have this. I'm

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02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:46,120
Speaker 1: gonna send you a picture. I have it in my

2435
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:51,240
Speaker 1: trophy case with my Emmy's and my Image Award. That's

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02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:54,040
Speaker 1: how much I value my relationship with this is you

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02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:57,120
Speaker 1: said this to me. It is not being open is

2438
02:05:57,200 --> 02:05:59,440
Speaker 1: in that camera? Send your picture and show it to

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02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:01,400
Speaker 1: you that I'm tell and you troopers in my trophy

2440
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:03,600
Speaker 1: case and it's a big one that had some of

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02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:06,520
Speaker 1: my top honors. And I considered you contacted me by

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02:06:06,600 --> 02:06:10,920
Speaker 1: launching a black on. It's a spirit like this should

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02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:13,360
Speaker 1: be recognized and helldo too. And they could go drinking

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02:06:13,400 --> 02:06:16,360
Speaker 1: on their own time, Okay, not in my cabinet, thank you, Roshawn.

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02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:20,240
Speaker 1: So I am gonna send the rum gin so they

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02:06:20,240 --> 02:06:23,360
Speaker 1: can sit side by side. And I'm gonna send your

2447
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:25,120
Speaker 1: staff some because I know they're looking at you, like,

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02:06:25,240 --> 02:06:29,120
Speaker 1: come on, bro, they but just let you know when

2449
02:06:29,160 --> 02:06:31,600
Speaker 1: you send it, it's gonna be You're gonna be taking

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be touched. It's gonna be a Reshards

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Speaker 1: award winning case. People he respected love and visionaries, and

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Speaker 1: I consider you a visionary. Okay, I love that. Thank

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02:06:41,880 --> 02:06:43,720
Speaker 1: you so much, and thank you for all of your

2454
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:47,960
Speaker 1: visionary work. I mean, it is sometimes hard for people

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Speaker 1: to to change what they know, and I think being

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Speaker 1: an entrepreneur is is literally going on a trip that

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2462
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