WEBVTT - CES 2026: Part Five (Wednesday) 0:00:01.800 --> 0:00:02.880 Alzo Media. 0:00:04.800 --> 0:00:07.640 I've crossed oceans of time to bring you this podcast. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.440 This is Better Offlines coverage of the Consumer Electronics Show, 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:24.599 and I'm your host ed Zetron. We're back here in 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.320 the Palazza and beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada, bringing you yet 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.600 another episode covering CES with an incredible core of even 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.960 more incredible look guests. And yes I wrote it like that. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:35.280 We've got an open bar, tacos and places to sit 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:37.000 down for members of the media, whether they join us 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.199 on the microphone or not. Those joining me here at 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.320 Swaggage claim of the incredible Caurissa Bella engadget Hellllo. And 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.280 we've of course got the impeccable Jared Newman of the 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:52.240 Advisorate newsletter. Hey, the returning guest for several years now, well, 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.360 I mean it's only been one. It just feels like Manny. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.400 And of course the incredible actress and stand up comedian 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:58.320 Chloe Radcliffe. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:01.240 Yeah, fresh off the elliptical in your hotels. 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:06.840 Thiswee I've been doing podcasting, So Chrisa, We're gonna start 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.000 with you because you saw something I could not see 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.440 moving every time I went by the LG. Cloyd Laundry 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.399 folding robot. How was that You said it here that 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.040 it folded laundry and served food very slowly. Give me 0:01:21.080 --> 0:01:22.160 an idea of how slowly. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.320 Well, there's a TikTok in that story that you can see, 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:28.280 and one of the top comments was it'll take three 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.720 weeks to do your laundry at this pace, right, And 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.200 I don't know if it was slow because for the 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.120 demo purposes, they're trying to draw it out, make it 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.039 more traumatic. But it started off with it was out 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.400 of washing machine, and it's trying to pull something out 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.080 of a hamper put load it into the washing machine. 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:46.720 It's and it just is doing it so slow, but 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:48.880 it takes its time kind of picking it up. 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:50.040 Does it have any trouble? 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:53.040 Does it have trouble picking it up? Really, it's just 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.200 it's not really clear why it takes so long. It's 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.160 just like I think the arms are just kind of 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:01.240 calculating maybe, like each little movement slowly puts it in, 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:05.720 slowly closes the washing machine door, slowly rolls over to 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.600 a table, there's like a pile of wash glass, slowly 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:14.160 picks one up, slowly starts folding it like just excruciating 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.320 and then it picks up the folded thing and then 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:18.079 it messes. 0:02:17.840 --> 0:02:18.360 Up a little bit. 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:20.480 Did it fix the mess up? 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:22.600 No, but there was like an LG person. I just 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.840 had an arm reach out and they. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.280 When you say, mess it up house. 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:28.600 Like it was folded like if you imagine something that's 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.960 very symmetrically right folded, and then when it it's robot 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.880 hand picks it up like the top corner just comes, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:37.200 it comes unaligned. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:39.320 Awesome. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.560 How much is this row boat? Did they say anything 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:41.959 like that? 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.240 Oh, I don't think they're going to sell it. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.720 Okay, that's always what happens with laundry folding. 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:48.919 Yeah, yeah, then no, that's like the there's a rich 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.360 history of CS and laundry laundry mate here. Oh they 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.919 all went, we love laundry, mate laundry may I think 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:56.560 I've been coming to see us a twenty eleven. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.120 They dead. Finally they're dead. All the all the twenty 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.720 ten's ones are dead. That's yeah, that's look what they 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.720 took from us. So, yeah, you also said it served food. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.400 I'm guessing it also did that weirdly. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.440 Yeah, you know, walked out, roll sorry, rolled over. It 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:12.200 did not have legs. It has like a weeled kind 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:16.360 of robot vacuum. It has arms and like a head unit. 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:18.640 Take a look at that. Look at that piece of ship. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:20.080 A head unit. 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:21.120 Yeah, that's what they called it. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:23.000 You know. 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.800 The they're kind of selling this as it works with 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.440 all of Elgie's appliances. When it rolls over to the fridge, 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.919 the fridge opens, it pulls out your milk, rolls over 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:33.200 to the table, sets it down. 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.640 That's so bad and like I'm guessing it would only 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:41.400 be compatible with the LG stuff. Is this just a concept? 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:43.760 Yes, it is a concept, So, I mean the whole 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:47.480 presentation it kind of felt like watching something at Disneyland. Yeah, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.720 there was like very high production value. They had this 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:54.800 very charismatic presenter clearly memorizes very tight fifteen minute script 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.160 that included a video that was playing, and they invented 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:00.760 this story about this family and how this how Cloyd 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.040 is going to help the dad find his keys and 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:07.800 help really slowly, yeah my kids make the breakfast. And 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.480 you're watching it and you're kind of like, okay, like 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.400 that's it seems cool that the robot can do this. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.800 But then if you read the book, can it, well, 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.560 if you read the press release, what they say is well, 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:21.240 you know, we're really interested in moving more into robotics technology, 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.680 but they don't say anything about actually making Cloyd selling it. 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.719 The only thing that they mentioned is roboticized appliances like 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:31.760 fridge doors that open automatically or oven doors. So I 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:33.480 feel like they're selling us the robot but what they're 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:35.280 actually going to sell is just like a fridge that 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:36.840 can open by itself. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:39.800 Like a fridge with a trunk off of a new suv. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.760 Yeah, yeah, button in it, but no, no, you have 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.919 to get like the seven thousand dollars lg one that 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:46.040 you can kick to open. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:46.640 Yeah. 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:49.679 Yeah, it's that these things. I just want the coldest 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.880 possible diet coke because that too much to ask. Also, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:57.240 is its name Cloyd, Yeah, cloid, but the eye is 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:02.040 small for some reason. Just it's so strange to do 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:03.960 this thing. And it got all the headlines and was 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:06.400 going robot this is the year of robotics a CS 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.520 and the most famous one is not being released. No, 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:11.800 And if you it's great, you can have breakfast ready 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.720 if you started at one am, like just like this incredibly, 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:18.440 Like Henry Casey kind of put it as like the 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:23.919 sloth from Zootopia just fucking yeah. Yeah, it's so what 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.320 a strange thing to do, because if that worked much faster, 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:29.760 it would be kind of cool. Man, that's the es. 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:33.040 But it's like it's just not being released. They just 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:33.960 why show it. 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:37.000 I mean, I think you said it. They got all 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:38.800 the headlines. It looks cool. I think they're trying to 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.440 show off that, you know, you said, everyone saying that 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.640 this is the year of a lot of robots are 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.200 trying to We're finally seeing that some of them are 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:50.160 capable of kind of doing these tasks. But these companies 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.360 aren't yet ready or able or willing to actually make 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.359 this into real products. Like I think it's probably just 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.520 not feasible. This thing is huge. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:05:59.680 Yeah, how big was it? 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.360 I would say I didn't get close to it because 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:04.960 it was sort of behind like a rope line and 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:06.799 you could line up for like a selfie. But I 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.160 booked it out of the booth for that. I think 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:10.960 it's taller than I am. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.640 I'm realizing I actually think I saw. I don't think 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:15.560 I saw the laundry demo or I saw I saw 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:19.280 some portion of the demo, because what I noticed about it, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.240 and now this is the different perspectives that we come 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.320 at it from. I was like, Wow, all of these 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:30.160 robotics companies and and you know, electronics companies just wind 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.200 up hiring these very hot actors who. 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:36.240 Are very charming to run the demo. 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:38.040 Because the guy I don't know if the guy who 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:39.520 was I don't know if there was a person helping 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:40.960 with the laundry and food demo, but there was a 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.200 guy who was like doing this demo. As I walked 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:48.839 by very quick, and he's this fucking gorgeous man being like, Hey, Cloyd, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.800 do you anything else that you can do and help 0:06:51.839 --> 0:06:52.960 me make my life easier? 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:55.080 And it's like, yeah, of course, I guess. 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.600 I could Cloyd shrink my shit. 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:59.800 Yeah yeah, I mean truly, it's like, Cloyd, do you 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:01.720 want to come over here and touch my pets? It's 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.919 like and you really sort of do watch it and 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.960 you're like, I guess I want to fuck the humans, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.320 So maybe I will buy the robot. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:09.960 It seems to sort. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.679 Of what you cannot do demo, You cannot do either. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:16.880 No, can't do either. But yeah it is it's a 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:17.600 big robot. 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:19.160 Yeah, And that's why I said, it's kind of like 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:23.280 being at Disneyland where like they have this like very nice, 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.480 very carefully orchestrated, uh demo that they set up, and 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.160 it's like watching a little movie of what they are 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:32.480 trying to say is going to be the future, I guess. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.280 And when you're watching it, you're like, oh, that's it's 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.240 pretty neat. Like all of that look works together. The 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.320 robot rolled over there, Look, it found it's the guy. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.760 That guy's keys. But then you like think about it 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:43.840 for a second and you realize that, no, they're not 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:45.320 actually going to have that. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.360 So like a very clean house, which is traditionally not 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.760 where you lose your keys. Yeah, it's not like you 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:52.920 lose it in an empty room and you're like, oh, 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.680 it's in the corner, not underneath something. 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.440 And also if the way that the robot is going 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.560 to be able to find the keys is by having 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.200 something like an AirTag on the keys that the robot 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.240 gave to we have that. 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.640 And also the robot doesn't have legs, so if your 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:13.200 keys are upstairs. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.120 A very ball pop on a segway coated where you 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.480 can just get up onto a curve and obmate. 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.800 It like a dollar. Just like so you also saw 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:23.400 this switchbot switchbots, which they have a laundry folding robots, 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.960 and how is that if you see saw that what happened? Well, 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:28.200 I didn't see it fold laundry. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.760 So they because they they had it out and they 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:33.959 had a like a bench with a few like rumpled 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:35.800 pieces of clothes on. I was like, great, I'm going 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:37.400 to see it fold laundry. This is what I came 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.720 here for. And it stood there for like five minutes 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:45.160 doing nothing, and then and then it very slowly rolled 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.240 over to one piece of laundry and I was like, great, 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.240 it's going to fold the laundry. It very slowly picked 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.920 up the piece of laundry and then very slowly moved 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:57.400 over to the to the washing machine and put the 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.640 garment in the washing machine very slowly, and then very 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.920 slight close the door, and then waited another five minutes, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.679 and then went over to another garment and did the 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.040 exact same fill one at a time. Each individual piece 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.440 of laundry it went to put in the shop and 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:13.520 didn't fold any. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.400 Of You know, this is like a heavily prepped demo. 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.400 They've had to go through a lot like the Boston 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:20.960 Dynamics videos where they like show the robot working one 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.400 hundred takes one hundred takes with the robot just like 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.880 rolls on its back somehow like explodes. I love this. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.760 I love that they're trying to pretend it's just like fraud, 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.000 Like there's there's something very fraudulent about this. Like the 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:38.360 robots are here, Yes, they're here, but are they able 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:42.600 to do anything? Yes? Kind of. If I needed someone 0:09:42.600 --> 0:09:46.120 to very slowly put laundry in my washing machine and 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.080 eventually do it like I would. 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.240 I was gonna say I stand first five minutes, completely 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:55.040 still resisting folding laundry, slowly move lunch show. 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:55.360 Yeah. 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:55.600 Yeah. 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.280 Does the robot look at its phone and scroll Instagram 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.600 for like seventeen minutes before it puts in one T shirt? 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.720 And does it? Can you program it to leave the 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.600 washing in the washing machine and forget? It has to 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.920 do like a visibly heavy sigh before it's. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.120 This is the most drama that folding laundry has ever 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:16.959 been the recipient. 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.960 Other than like a deteriorating relationship. 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There it's like a symbol of drama. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.240 This you're you're like, this is the one thing I 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:26.040 came here. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.640 To see, and it was torn because I was like, 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.880 how long can I wait to see if it actually was? 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.640 Was it going to run the laundry? And then I 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:34.240 had to wait for it to come out of itself. 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:36.720 Just look like this video. It's also like got a 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:40.559 very strange long body with like with the arms. No, 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:42.880 it's cute, but it's also like if I saw this 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:44.920 in my home, it would chill me every day. I 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.160 never get used to seeing this, Like slender Man robot. 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.079 It looks a little dead behind the eyes. Yeah, it 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.960 has like these weird like the the chows from Sonic Adventure. 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.080 We are all eighteen people who got that. 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.400 Yeah, it's just to their credit. They did tell me 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:02.640 that they are planning to sell it WO towards the 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:03.720 end of twenty twenty six. 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:05.240 Wait Cloyd or that one. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.080 That one's cool, but the thunderd Loyd will never leave 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.760 the LG prison they put it in. Did you see 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.400 any working robots either of you? One? I saw the 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:17.600 fighting robot right, and I saw that guy's dogship form 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:19.920 when he was fighting it just like, no, didn't plant 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.199 his feet at all. Pathetic. Yeah, what was the purpose 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.320 of that? Are you meant to fight it? Is it 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:27.280 like a boxing robot. It was. 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:29.760 It also danced, and I think it was just like 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.080 one of those general like look at all these things 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:33.920 that this robot can do. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.079 Feels like what they sell on Black Friday, just like, 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.040 is that the one that I see in like various 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.679 Instagram videos where it's just like running into a wall. 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:43.760 There was a sign that said five thousand dollars, so 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:49.880 I guess you could just buy it. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.040 And honestly, that feels like you can haggle. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:56.240 Yeah, that's one of those CS like I'll give you 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.880 thirty five dollars, like you can take a tax loss. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.640 I will take this whatever this is, I'm beating the 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.280 fuck out of it, regardless. The weirdest category. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:06.600 Of stuff at CS is the things that you can 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:08.240 buy at CS. 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.640 Like the massage chairs, like the wonderful massage chair I 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:13.319 actually did see on the way through CS to get 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.280 back here. I found a chair massage chair company called 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.760 doctor Boss and it just says, so do you have 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.199 any problems with your spine? And spine is in blue 0:12:23.200 --> 0:12:25.000 bold letters, and then there were like three or four 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:27.880 spaces with a question mark. I love them. I love 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.719 the weird massage chair companies. So I was mentioning the 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.040 earlier episode they scam you. They're like, yeah, I got 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.480 special CS deal. It's like, you don't you have like 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:40.840 seven margins on this you just like everyone is defrauded. Yeah, 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.920 any working robots of any kind, because even last year 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:45.199 I thought I saw working ones. 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:46.760 There's a TikTok dancing robot. 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.559 There's one that does rock paper scissors against you, and 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:51.360 it wins every. 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:55.160 Time because it can detect right as you're about to do. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.319 Yeah, it was actually like it was like a cheating 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.560 robot because it was like a second behind your Sure. Yeah, 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:02.520 we just looked at what you're doing and then was like, 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:03.760 all right, I'm gonna do the other thing. 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:07.880 Oh, what the fuck is the point? 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.600 I'm sorry. I've been trying this whole week to find 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.600 good stuff, and every time I like, it's the year 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:13.960 of the robots. Let's look at the robots. 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.920 You can't how many other years has it been the 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:18.000 year of robotics? 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:20.200 I actually don't know. It's a great question. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.080 Yeah, I don't think like that feels like a headline 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:24.360 that has happened before, right, I feel like I probably really. 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.560 I feel like they play with the idea occasionally, but 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.560 it's there's just something very bizarre about this. I guess 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:33.720 it's like, well, we can't claim Mel and M's do anything, 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.920 so what we lie about something else? Okay, Hey, we 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.560 have robot vacuums, all right, and the robot vacuums are 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.440 fine other than picking up dust in my apartment apparently. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:45.520 And yeah, I just I'm very confused. And we discussed 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:47.680 this earlier as well, like the robot they had arms 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:49.640 last year, and now the robots have legs like the 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.760 robot vacuums. Hmmm, yeah, and yeah, I don't know. It's 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.600 just it's so weird. It's really weird. Like I feel 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.080 like I'm going a little crazy because everyone I've read 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:00.760 tons of articles about like robots robots, but it sounds 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.400 like the practical experience is they don't work, they don't 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.880 do the things or you and or you can't buy them. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.640 It is a very hard problem to solve, like anything 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:13.760 involving like limbs and all that. That's why the Laundry wrote, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:17.760 Like I wrote about another laundry folding robot last year, 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.280 it was one that like their their idea was like 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.280 it was like lamp lamps, and then the lamps are 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.320 actually robot arms that turn into and they released this 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.240 like very flashy concept video and a bunch of people 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.400 pre ordered it based on just this rendered video that 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:35.120 is not actually the robot, and they would not show 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.600 like a prototype of it actually working right, and it is. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.000 It's just like there's all these edge cases of any 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.680 kind of garment you have to pick up and deal with, 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:48.280 like getting a having all the training to deal with 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.520 all that takes forever, and nobody's figured that out yet. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.960 If would any of this be solvable if we weren't 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:56.960 so committed to having the robots look humanoid? No, Like, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:58.840 like if there was like a big tube. All right, 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:01.240 here comes to my idea. 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.280 You've cracked the code. It's a big tube. 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.560 Yeah, I'm having a right now as a stand up 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.880 comedian that no one else here at CS has had. 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.200 But like if there was like a big tube and 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.440 you dump your clothes in and then somehow there was 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.480 like a vacuum space. 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.000 Okay, Nope, that I don't know. 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:20.320 There is somehow a way to like stretch the clothes flat, 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.760 like create tension in the fabric no matter what the 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:24.320 shape is. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:26.160 Engineers ended in the tube. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.440 You guys writing this down. Yes, it's meed in the tube. Okay, 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.840 you're with I like this, this is good. I've got 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.720 buy ins om And then somehow there could be like 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.120 a wire that like bisects that and then it at 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:38.360 least folds in half and then like does the same, 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:40.240 you know, but like it's not it's not a humanoid. 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.040 It's a machine. It's not a it's not a just 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:43.760 my buddy. 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.640 You even have to identify though, like where the edges 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.200 of the clothes are, and that itself is not easy 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:49.520 to do. 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.560 It's just lasers you describe me. It's like, what do 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.680 we need a robot to do? Make food for me? 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:59.360 Not really? Launch, not really TikTok. You want to be 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.520 Do you want to see something cheat at rock paper scissors? 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.560 Because I'm constantly annoyed that I can't find a better 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.520 person that as a rock paper scissors champion, I have 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:14.480 never been able to be defeated by anyone. It's just 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.960 so fucking weird. But you know what, changing subjects, did 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:22.880 you find anything you actually liked? Either of you? I 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:27.480 can go please pebble Okay, okay, I've got pebble. Get 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.280 mentioned a few times. What was pebble up to this. Well, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.640 so they you know, they're they're doing new watches. 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.320 They're back and it's you know, it's one of those 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.560 things that is just like a passion project, which you know, 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:41.040 I feel like it's kind of like au then it's 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:42.120 the same thing with like clicks. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:43.440 You know. It's like these people. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.520 That, yeah, they know it's not for everybody. They just 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.560 want this thing to exist and they put it into existence. 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.400 And we've got Michael coming on Friday, we'll talk about it. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.040 When I respect that kind of thing. I think the 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.320 Pebble watches are are great. I think so it's just 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:58.200 it's the watches. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:00.120 Ring is well. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.960 Yeah, so they're starting with the watches and now they 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.800 have the thing called the Index I believe it's called. Yeah, 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:07.840 you wear it on your index finger and it's basically 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:09.840 just a button that you can push to take a note. 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.440 Uh, and then like a voice. Yeah you voice trains 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:13.800 of the ring. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:14.760 That's cool. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:16.560 Yeah. Do you have to speak into the ring? I 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:17.040 think you can know. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:18.800 I think you can just there's a little microphone in it. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:19.080 Yeah. 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:21.440 Does it make a noise or can you record people secretly? 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.080 It's not persistent. It's like a push to talk kind 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:24.360 of thing. 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:26.400 But you can break state law. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.879 I think, yeah, I think you can bring it's one 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:31.080 interesting in New York. 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:32.080 It's a two party consent. 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:33.080 New York was one. 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:35.120 No, I believe in you because I break it all 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:35.560 the time. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:41.720 Just a admit that on a podcast and then be 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:43.960 do an evil laugh after. 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:48.000 She meant parody she meant but so it's just a rook. 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.560 It doesn't do any health No, there's no health stuff. 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:51.199 There's no any of that. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.280 And then I think there's like a secondary function where 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:56.000 maybe you can like program some stuff if you wanted 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:58.719 to do something else how much then uh oh, you're 0:17:58.760 --> 0:18:00.800 putting on a spot here in front something like one 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.240 hundred dollars seventy five dimes. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:05.200 Is them ugly? 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:09.159 I mean it's presentable. I think there's a there's a 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.159 button on it. So I guess, however you feel about it, 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:12.960 the thing is, I can see the use for that. 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.000 Like I don't like voice notes at all, Like I 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.160 don't like hearing myself speak. Well, I think it will 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:21.240 transcribe that I've never listened to a single episode of 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.080 the show which everyone listening to this two works. Iheart's 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:27.040 Gonna Love and It's like I can't hear myself speak, 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.600 but if I could do a transcription, I might actually buy. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.440 It'd be the first thing I've seen at CES or 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:32.879 I'm like, I would purchase that. 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.640 Yeah, I think more broadly that, you know, they're just things. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.040 Their matras is sort of not even matra, but just 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.640 like it's this dude he's done all right for himself 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.600 in tech, and he just like wants to make cool 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.080 gadgets that he doesn't see in the market and whatever. 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:47.720 I you know what, I like. 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.720 That reporting live on the pebble index ring. It really 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.159 looks like a ring that somebody is using to record you. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:56.119 Let me see. Let me see when it has a 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:57.840 sketchy ring its supports me. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:02.119 Oh yeah, really looks like no, no, I don't have 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:03.240 a microphone in my ring. 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.680 It's like like the hat that Homer Simpson wall with 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.560 the camera in it. Ring Like just like, yeah, I'm 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:15.080 just clicking this non descript slack. Yeah, what are you doing? Nothing? 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.640 It's an odd Now say all the crimes you committed, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:21.240 tell me all your secrets. No, I can't move my thumb. 0:19:21.440 --> 0:19:24.399 I can't move my thumb at all. I now actually 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.320 know I'm now going to start critiquing this. So you 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.040 have to is it one? You can click once and 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:29.480 it will record, because if you have to hold it 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.240 the whole fucking time, that might be I cannot recall. 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.200 That's fine, it's you know what I mean, even the 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.520 benefit of the doubt, they wouldn't do something so fucking stupid. Yeah, 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:38.400 we're gonna the. 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:42.080 Fun to watch and changes just like they're like, oh, 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:42.600 I like that. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.560 Everything, then hearing something the like becoming an aftimist and 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.400 then immediately be like no, no, no no. 0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:52.760 That's a good instinct to have. That. Also, we've got 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.840 plenty of people who want We got Blanny, We've got 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.320 we got fucking cell side analysts there as well. Chris, 0:19:58.400 --> 0:19:59.640 there anything you've been enjoying. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.480 I saw some robotic sneakers that were kind of cool. 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:03.680 Tell me more, what do you mean? 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:09.920 So they're sneakers that attached to a kind of exoskeleton. Oh, 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.600 and they're meant for people who can't like walk long 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.080 distances or want to be able to. 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.120 Walk at Robert Evans has been using like an exoskeleton. Io. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:19.919 Please tell me what. 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.600 Yeah, these ones are different. They attached to a special 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:25.720 shoe and they're battery powered, and then you can kind 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:29.120 of it learns your gate the first twenty steps or so, 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:31.320 and then as you're walking, it just kind of like 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:33.760 pushes you up a little bit. It's a very strange 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.400 sensation for somebody who doesn't happen. Really it doesn't really 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.399 have trouble walking. But like three hours later, I was 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.760 my feet were hurting so bad after being on them 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:44.320 for four or five hours, and I was thinking, like, 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.240 maybe that feel kind of good right now I've. 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.040 Got an ankle injury. That sounds great. I did see another one, 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:50.960 and every time I see them, like my hateriends think 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.880 kicks in and I'm like, no, actually, this is what 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.399 technology should do. Yeah, that it can help you if 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.119 you'd be walking too much or if you have serious 0:20:59.160 --> 0:20:59.959 mobility issues. 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:02.920 The downside, as it cost forty five hundred dollars. 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.239 That actually doesn't surprise me. Yeah like that if I 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.480 hear that, and I'm like, okay, it literally helps people 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:11.480 who can't walk much walk forty five hundred, and I'm 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.479 like that's actually reasonable. I did see a few of them, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.679 but I'm actually kind of excited to see that because 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.239 I don't know, like I realized it just went from 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.399 being a huge hate. But like I have tons of 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:24.000 like several family members with mobility issues. My mom like it. 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:26.800 I myself. My ankle when it gets bad, really gets 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:29.600 fucked up, and I can't walk, like literally two weeks 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.680 ago is having problems with my feet. It's quite lovely. 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.359 Well, you are consistent in what you in, what you 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:38.240 like and don't like. Yeah, and that is is there 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.920 a tangible, describable. 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:42.639 Problem that this is solving. 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:46.879 Yes, And I think the more physical, not necessarily like corporal, 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.160 but the more physical a problem, the more you are 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:53.359 going to be inclined to like the tech presentation of 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:54.360 a solution exactly. 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.199 And it's like I think, I also, I don't know. 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:59.160 I think that's what technology is meant to do. It's 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:00.760 meant to allow you to do things you can't do, 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.639 to streamline things, to make things easier. That's cool, And 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:06.720 there were quite a few of them. I want more 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:09.359 of this shit, like let those who can't will walk. 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:13.240 That's if is there anything more technological than that? Yeah? 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:15.840 The accessibility stuff is actually kind of interesting. I'm always 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:16.480 looking out for that. 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:16.960 Yeah. 0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:18.720 I was writing about it this year and so many 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.439 times It's hard to find anything like that because so 0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:24.280 much of it is just yeah, cramming tech into products 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:27.520 that don't need it, or you know, the the crap 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:30.679 that we're used to seeing here, smart belts and just 0:22:30.800 --> 0:22:31.320 weird stuff. 0:22:31.359 --> 0:22:32.240 So whenever their belts. 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:34.360 Do you have a belty from like years ago? 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.200 Wait, do you kind of remember that? Yeah, Belty, it's 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.159 called Belty. What is belty? Oh man? 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:41.119 This is from probably ten years ago. It was a 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:44.120 smart belt. Do you remember that year at CS when 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:47.359 like Internet of Things was kind of just yeah, and 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:49.920 like everything was just like a flower pot that's connected 0:22:49.920 --> 0:22:52.480 to the Internet of this and it was a belt 0:22:52.520 --> 0:22:56.240 that I think could automatically adjust, like it's like maybe 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:57.200 you eat more or something. 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:06.920 Oh God, well, sorry, I'm my fifth piece of chicken. Well, 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.280 actually we're gonna go back to shape robots though, because 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.320 everyone has kind of mentioned Agi bought or Aggie. 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:13.800 Bott to have the fun. He says, and this is 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.840 the TikTok robot. You saw what was that? 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.680 Yeah, so there's two. They have two different humanoids. One 0:23:20.600 --> 0:23:22.520 is a smaller one that was the Dancy one has 0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:25.320 like these bright yellow shoes. They have a larger one 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:29.760 that's about about five feel like my hey, maybe, and 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:34.520 they are humanoid robots. They can walk around, the little 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:37.880 one can dance. They have some kind of like AI 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:41.400 functionality in them. So they're meant like the large one. 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:43.240 What they explained to me is that it's meant for 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:48.199 kind of like either for businesses hospitality use cases, like 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:49.800 maybe you put one in a museum and it can 0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:52.840 like welcome guests and kind of like show them where 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:53.200 to go. 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:54.399 Or trying do that though. 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.040 Yeah, So what's interesting is this is a Chinese company 0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:00.679 that's making them Okay, and they already have sold several 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.560 thousands in China. We went we went to another robotics 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:06.240 company booth, and the whole spiel of this booth was 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.840 that the booth is run entirely by robots, and there's 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.680 like a human guy there who's kind of like can 0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:15.240 answer a question for if you want, But the booth 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:18.760 is just these two robots. And they were the Agibot robots. 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.679 And so the larger one was there and it was 0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:23.560 had a little microphone. You could talk to it and 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:26.159 you could have this like interaction with it. So I 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.760 came up and I was like okay, roast me okay, 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.760 and it actually, like you know, it started off kind 0:24:31.760 --> 0:24:32.400 of tame, it. 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:33.760 Was, but then it got pretty mean. 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:34.280 Yeah. 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:35.879 Well then I said, I was like, actually, I was like, 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:37.800 can you be a meaner? Like can you do more? 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.240 And then not too bad? It made fun of what 0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:42.000 I was wearing and. 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:43.520 Couldn't see what you were wearing? 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:44.560 Yeah I could. 0:24:44.600 --> 0:24:46.320 And then at the end I was like, okay, well 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:48.520 you know, all good, let's have a fist bump and 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:50.600 it was like great, and it actually did. 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:52.040 What did it say about what you were wearing? I 0:24:52.760 --> 0:24:54.400 want to judge this from a joke atic. 0:24:55.520 --> 0:24:57.439 Honestly, I don't remember exactly. It was just kind of 0:24:57.480 --> 0:24:59.199 was like, oh, and you're wearing that, Like I like, 0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:01.600 you're making fun of me, but like you're like it 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:02.280 was it was kind. 0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:04.400 Of generic, but okay, then you wanted to turn into 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:05.640 the boxing robots. 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:08.600 So yeah, I wanted it to be Ruda. I want 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:09.680 to find this thing and. 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.440 You're able to have like a back and forth. There's 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:15.360 a slight delay when you say something, maybe maybe two 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.520 three seconds for it to come up with a response, 0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.520 but you can actually and its voice actually sounded pretty 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:22.600 natural in a way that most robot vice models. 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:24.639 Was it like, was it using a model? Was it like, 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:26.560 did they explain any of that it is? 0:25:26.600 --> 0:25:29.399 I'm not sure. I imagine that that company it was 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:32.040 called into Bot. That was the booth that had these 0:25:32.119 --> 0:25:33.400 like customized versions. 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.120 And that wasn't was that Aggie Bob. 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.560 Yes, it was an Agibot robot, but the company that 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:39.440 was showing them off was into Bot, and I guess 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:41.920 they had customized They had bought these robots and somehow 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:43.920 customize them for there. 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:48.359 But the what you're chatting with, it's not just chat 0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:51.919 gbt no or open ai or whatever. 0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:53.600 Yeah, I think it's a combination of things. I think 0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:55.920 they probably use several different models and then they also 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:57.960 have like cameras and sensors so they know you know. 0:25:59.040 --> 0:26:02.199 About Tannemon Square. I'm sorry, I want to admit I 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:03.679 want to be like, what do you think of Winnie 0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:07.240 the Pooh? And it just goes just because like just 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.080 looks at me personally us you look fam Fuck. No, 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.280 I'm actually gonna say it sounds like it worked, which 0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:15.919 is unusual. That's genuinely U. 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:18.439 The nicest thing you say about a robot. 0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:21.240 It works kind of, But what was the what's the 0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:22.320 what was the purpose? 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.119 For into bot. Yeah, I'm actually not sure because we 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:28.800 just went because we wanted to. 0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:34.360 Like the show. God, their whole face is. 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:36.840 That our boat is just run by robots, so we're like, well, 0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:38.320 we got to go check that out. And then we 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:40.040 just we talked to it and made a TikTok and 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.439 I didn't find out what they're trying to do with them. 0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.160 But you should have asked it, like can you grab 0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:45.680 me some press materials in hand them to me? 0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:48.879 And it would like fail and it starts trying to 0:26:48.920 --> 0:26:52.080 fold them. Oh my god, I love it. We get 0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:54.439 to things like yeah, it works. What's why though, and 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.919 they're like, oh fuck, I we just did this for 0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:01.600 the yucks. It could introduce you to a museum, so off. 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:06.199 Okay on the broader theme of why though, Yeah, I 0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:10.480 was walking around today at the convention Center and wondering 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:16.560 what is the not what is the point of CS, 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:22.879 but pretty close, like how effective is CS and in 0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:26.639 what way for the majority of people who are here? 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:32.680 Well that's sort of I'm asking as a complete naive user, 0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:36.320 you know, Like, but it's like, are people I understand that? 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:39.560 Like there were buyers from Sam's Club walking around being like. 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.040 We're looking for a new I don't know what the 0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:41.840 fuck they're looking. 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:43.879 For, but like I understand that if you like, there's 0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.639 you know, some small proportion of buyers who are looking 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.919 for some small proportion of specific tech. But like a 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:52.080 lot of people, it seems like they're just sort of 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:57.440 in booths showing off stuff that like largely already exists, 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:01.119 maybe with like a slightly new extra spice, but like 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:04.040 for the most part, it's not blowing anybody's minds. And 0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:05.800 then a lot of people are walking by picking it up, 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.719 going oh, setting it down and continuing walking, And it's like, 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:13.359 what effect beyond just like a trip to Vegas that 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:20.320 is justifiable via work, what effect is this having in 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:21.240 most people? 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:25.600 I mean, as somebody who's I'm not super pessimistic about 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:26.800 CES despite. 0:28:26.480 --> 0:28:30.520 How ridiculous you've been here longer. I don't know. I guess, 0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.159 I guess for me, And maybe this is the point too. 0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:34.119 You love leaflets. 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.439 I love leaflets, No, I just you know, there's probably 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:39.640 some value in just getting a bunch of people into 0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.080 one place that we don't have anymore. 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.440 You know, we're gonna we're going to rotate rows, We're 0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:48.720 going to go to an ad break. Coming up now 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:53.120 an advertisement for Chumley, the robot that's based on Chumley 0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:57.400 from Pawn Stars. A word I cannot say. People think 0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:15.440 I am talking about pornography. And we're back in the 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:19.200 room and once again we're joined by Charisabella ven Gadget Hello, 0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:22.880 Jared Newman of the advisory and newsletter Yo and nearly 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.880 said newsletter wrong. And of course Coloie Radleff, actress of 0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.960 is this thing on in the standup Comedian? And we're 0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.560 back and we're just talking about how and why people 0:29:31.600 --> 0:29:34.680 do see yes, And I'm getting this prevailing just feeling 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:40.040 about conferences. Conferences in general, Jesus Christ. They are just 0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.280 there to give people something to do, like they put 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:45.720 people in a room. Yeah, there's an extent like I'm 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.600 gonna admit I don't go to conferences in general. I 0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.840 never have non pr FIR and since twenty twelve, like 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:53.400 I've just not gone. It's never affected every time I've 0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.320 gone to a conference other than ces, I've just been 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.600 like why and it's like, oh, we got to meet 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:03.640 sale people from this and it's like okay, but but 0:30:03.800 --> 0:30:06.520 why though? And there's so much stuff here aspect if 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:09.320 This year feels like a landmark year for just shit 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.800 that don't exist. And I say that remembering the Web 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:16.080 three metaverse year. Even that one, they seem to be like, 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:19.200 we have a new thinner TV that's also wet for 0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:21.880 some reason, like like we they were trying new things 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.719 of TVs and soundbars, and I guess we've got some 0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.080 of that. But it feels dominated by just vapor where 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:30.720 vapor were like maybe it was worse during the Indiego 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:34.440 Go boom. You remember the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen Indiego 0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:35.280 Go boom, when they was. 0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:37.800 Just fine of the bowels of the Venetian the Eureka Hole, 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.920 where it was just like the most insane shit, like 0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.800 it's a cooler that's also a razor blade to kill people. 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:49.360 Actually, no, that's the thing. Indigo the Indiegogo fraud generation 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:51.640 was fucking cool because it was just shit that was 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:55.440 impossible to make. And we've raised five hundred thousand dollars. 0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:58.320 The money laundering operations that go through Indiegogo have funded 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:02.080 this and I will deliver it in ten years and 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:03.840 then the company will shut down in three. 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:04.400 Like that. 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:07.760 I found kind of like honest laundry folding robots laundry 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:11.960 made rip and piss like they the most obvious fake one. 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:13.960 I respect they got like fo this it was like 0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:17.160 a tower laundry Mate. It was like this weird tower 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:18.920 and it was never clear how it worked. And every 0:31:19.000 --> 0:31:21.560 year they were like, next year, there's this hidden consumers, 0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:23.560 and then they just died. 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:29.080 The only landering that Indiegogoeah robots can do is financing. 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.480 Yes, but I feel like this is like a legendary 0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:34.920 year because they're trying to pretend robots work. They tried, 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.640 because the reason you can't do robots mass for mass consuming, 0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.320 mass consumer audiences is because training for edge cases is 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.600 fucking difficult. I don't know, it's it's a shame because 0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:46.480 I'd love a robot. 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:49.160 I'd love well, I think I think a laundry folding 0:31:49.240 --> 0:31:52.760 robot is like a billion dollar idea if it actually works. 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:56.680 But I had this tube idea. 0:31:58.360 --> 0:31:59.360 Have you heard of indigogo? 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:05.160 Actually, yeah, the tubat is a little real for Indy Goka, 0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.200 We've got to do like a movie that never gets made, 0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:12.360 or like a card game made by like a disgrace substacker, 0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.280 like or a board game by a guy with an 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.400 allegation section on Wikipedia, Like that's all we do want here. 0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:21.000 It's just weird because I say this with a little 0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:23.960 sadness because like I may seem like broken heart romantic. 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:27.760 If we had like an actual laundry folding robot, that's cool. Yeah, 0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.720 that'd be cool. I'd love that. Did you did you 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:32.920 were on the show floor? Yes? So what did you 0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:35.920 see and what did you like? That's a fucking long. 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:39.880 I walked around, I walked I walked around Eureka Park 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.400 today and I walked around. I was about to say, 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:46.720 keny a hall those you know the sky that ken 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:48.480 toy Your Hall if you don't know, is so E 0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:52.360 three is the former games Journalism, the game's equivalent of 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:55.400 this show, and Keny your Hall was like the scariest 0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:57.680 place to go with the media badge. You go down there, 0:32:57.800 --> 0:33:00.920 every head would snap to your media badge, stop citizen 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.440 like marrow Wind, like you'd stolen a piece of bread 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.640 from a shop keep. And because they want to talk 0:33:06.680 --> 0:33:09.280 to you. Because games is just games right about the game. 0:33:09.360 --> 0:33:11.760 This was all the very small like developers that had 0:33:11.800 --> 0:33:14.040 nothing going on and so like not like you know, 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:15.680 like like one division. 0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:18.200 Yeah, this is it for them, and I went to 0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:20.959 Eureka Park and everything I saw was a chat GPT 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:24.320 wrapper and I went upstairs and I was like, fuck 0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:27.880 me up, show me something, and I saw a WiFi barbecue. 0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.680 I feel like I see i'ms every fucking year, and 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.240 I wanted to see so I didn't even see anything funny. 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:34.000 I was. 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.960 I was trying to noodle on this idea, like I 0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:40.000 don't think this is the right term, but like AI 0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.200 slop product, you know what I'm talking You know, there's 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:44.200 a real slop. 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.280 Nature to it. It was just like, what is it you 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:48.600 want a document analysis? Yes? 0:33:48.720 --> 0:33:51.120 Well, also like, well, like an example I'm thinking of 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.760 is like I think it was high sense. Like they 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.920 had a oven and then the oven had like a 0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:00.640 very small display on it, smaller than a phone, and 0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.000 they were showing like you could be like I'm in 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.400 the mood for pizza, and then it would like generate 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.000 a pizza recipe for you, you know what I mean. 0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:11.080 So it's like the recipe itself is sloped. But then 0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.360 also like the implementation of AI is slopped, you know 0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:14.759 what I mean. 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.319 You're just looking at this tiny little screen. It's like 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:18.360 roll on the dough. 0:34:18.600 --> 0:34:21.440 It's just and again, and I've made this point before 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:25.799 on this very podcast earlier today and yesterday, but just 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:28.600 to reiterate, if you are going to look up a 0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.360 pizza recipe, you're gonna look it up on your phone, 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:33.239 which is a small screen, of course, and then if 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:34.960 you look it up on you're smart oven, you are 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.520 also looking it up on a small screen. It is 0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.160 not eliminating any step in the process or any screen 0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:41.680 in the. 0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:43.839 So it'll it will turn the oven on for you. 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.239 Oh fuck this, fuck it'll turn the oven on. 0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:50.239 Fuck this happened to you? And just bashing. 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:56.560 If damn woman, I know this instinctive, but I do 0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:57.480 not make happen. 0:34:57.760 --> 0:34:59.839 It's like a Tim Rubinson bit, what do I do? 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:02.600 What do I know? And then the street goes to 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:06.520 turn on oven. Finally, It's like the thing they keep 0:35:06.520 --> 0:35:08.360 coming back to that I actually liked was just a 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.520 fifteen hundred dollars TV with a boot and soundbar with 0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:14.400 like micro led. I was just like, fuck, yeah, great, awesome. 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:17.799 TVs are getting thinner and they're getting soundbars in them, 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.799 and that's why everything has AI in it, because it's 0:35:20.880 --> 0:35:24.040 very clear that it's becoming really cheap to make thin 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:27.840 and big, good looking televisions. The actual difference between like 0:35:27.880 --> 0:35:31.960 a fancy fucking LG one and a combination of different 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:35.359 letters you can buy on Amazon that most people can't 0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:36.160 fucking tell them. 0:35:36.200 --> 0:35:39.160 Sorry, it's it's that is that's a whole other thing. 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:44.920 But yeah, there's like micro led and now MI micro RGB. 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:47.640 I don't know, uh, both of them. 0:35:47.719 --> 0:35:49.560 If you stand in front of them, it looks like 0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.040 you're like looking into the eye of God, but like 0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:53.359 they're kind of the same. 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:56.160 But I kind of I love it. I genuinely, genuinely 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.359 love the fact that like a good looking TV's easy 0:35:58.440 --> 0:35:59.879 yeah now, and you can get them everyone. They're really 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:02.919 like really good, Like even the kind of cheap cheap 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.560 ones are pretty good. Like, yeah, I can not. It's 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:07.759 the difference because I stare at screens all the time. 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.759 But I think most people would be really happy otherwise 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:14.799 I'm just like show I wanna like some I genuinely 0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:16.880 I would love to. I would love to be taken 0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:20.640 by the magic of cees. It doesn't the magic's got 0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:20.920 like it. 0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.440 What do you think would other than a laundry folding robot? 0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.960 What do you think would like what would take you 0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:29.360 what would so? 0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:32.399 I think anyway, there are like magical ideas they've had, 0:36:32.400 --> 0:36:34.480 like wireless power that it fill hiss me talking about 0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.360 who come and fucking kill me? But like wireless power, 0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:42.280 Bluetooth that works, perhaps unbreakable Bluetooth would be very popular 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:45.680 at c yes where Bluetooth My fucking headphones come out constantly, 0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:48.200 like something like that might be kind of a boring demo, 0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.160 but it's like I don't know a Wi Fi router 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.160 that doesn't stop working after six months, Like every problem 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:55.880 is just like shit sucks. 0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.120 TP link has a router with a AI agent now 0:36:59.120 --> 0:36:59.759 that you can talk to. 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:01.520 That's cool. I go to TP deco. 0:37:01.600 --> 0:37:03.600 TP link deco I had to throw away because also 0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:05.799 fucking if I won't work, but you can like kiel 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:07.400 at it and therapy for. 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.720 You from TP link. You listen to this deco, fucking sucks. 0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:13.560 It blows you suck. I spend so much money on that. 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:16.759 I can't even fucking ceremony. By goddamn, did you. 0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:18.840 See that Kia smart home stuff? 0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:20.080 No tell me tell me about that. 0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:22.560 So that was one that we thought was pretty cool. 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:24.759 A couple of my colleagues saw it. It was they have 0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:27.759 a whole new line of like smart plugs, smart light bulbs, 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:31.360 like okay, connected home stuff very like kind of boring, 0:37:31.520 --> 0:37:33.120 but the stuff that you want for I Kia, like 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.760 cheap connected light bulbs and smart plugs that will actually 0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:40.880 work and like work with real IoT standards that you 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.960 want and not you I don't know if anyone here 0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:46.279 has tried to install smart bulbs in their homes and 0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:50.279 they're they're extremely expensive, or they're like really cheap like 0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.000 off brand ones from Amazon that never end up working, 0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.400 or like the app breaks the company goes under, and like, yeah, 0:37:55.480 --> 0:37:57.600 you kind of want a company that's used to making 0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:00.959 forty million of everything, Yeah, this kind of thing, because 0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.120 then you just know it's always like. 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.480 An industrial Yeah it's gonna work, and it will. 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.080 They can do it at scale in a way that 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.319 makes us be able to pay a reasonable price. 0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:11.680 We have we have four light bulbs in our bedroom, 0:38:11.719 --> 0:38:13.279 and so I will be like Alexa, turn off the 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.360 lights and about about like ten percent of the time 0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:18.000 one of the lights will stay on. 0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:21.680 Of the four, I have Lotron in my house, and 0:38:21.800 --> 0:38:25.480 one day the bulx just stopped connecting, so I just 0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:28.160 have to use the fucking light switch and I'm so 0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:31.360 spiteful that I just refuse. But wait, it sounds like 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:32.840 this stuns work though, Carissa. 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:34.600 Yeah, I haven't tried them, but I mean it's akia 0:38:34.680 --> 0:38:36.360 so I feel like we have I have, I have 0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:37.880 decent amount of confidence. 0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:39.399 That Okay, they can do this, I hope. 0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:39.600 So. 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:41.800 I mean, I have some smart light bulbs in my 0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:45.239 home and they're like an off brand Chinese one, and 0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:47.960 they're the kind you can change color, and we set 0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:50.440 them to specific colors for the specific rooms, but we 0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:53.080 can never change them back. And then like every few months, 0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.399 like the app breaks and then they like the totally 0:38:55.440 --> 0:38:57.880 wrong color and then we just can't use those lights until. 0:38:57.719 --> 0:38:59.239 We fix it. 0:38:58.120 --> 0:38:59.959 It's so far. 0:39:00.480 --> 0:39:02.560 It's like the product I want from cs is ship 0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:05.759 that just works and they don't care. It's that's a 0:39:05.800 --> 0:39:08.440 shame as well, because I actually like the smart home stuff, 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:11.840 like the Roseanne Clapper, except you use your voice. It's 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:15.359 it's fun, it's good. But again, one thing breaks. It's 0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.040 like Wi Fi that works. I don't think that'll make 0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:20.520 a good But I was looking through your eng Gadget 0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:23.600 coverage and I want to talk about the the Dreamy 0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:28.560 Robot vacuum with the legs the X Yes, what are 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.040 these legs? Tell me? How do they do? They protrude? 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:32.160 Do they crawl? Like? 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:35.399 So the promotional image they sent me at first had 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:39.120 it kind of like standing upright like a spider on 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:43.520 these legs, but they're sort of like more like treads 0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:46.160 like legs that kind of have these like rubber treads. 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:47.799 And so when I saw it move, it most more 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:50.720 like a tank. It kind of rolls up the stairs 0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:51.720 and down the stairs. 0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:55.640 What they look like little chain saws. It's like chainsaw man. 0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:57.759 It's terrifying. When was not clear though, is that that 0:39:57.920 --> 0:40:00.160 whole unit with the legs is actually just like a 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:04.200 little like docking station for the actual robot vacuum. 0:40:04.239 --> 0:40:04.960 It's like a vehicle. 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:08.080 Yeah, so the actual robot vacum like like zooms in 0:40:08.120 --> 0:40:10.319 there and like parks itself, and then the thing goes 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.880 up the stairs and then it can send out the 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:15.480 robot to actually do the vacuuming. What this means though, 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.720 is that it can't actually clean the stairs themselves. Apparently 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:21.319 rubo rocks can climb and vacuum the stairs. This one, 0:40:21.640 --> 0:40:25.560 which is just a concept, can just like move up. 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.040 I'm showing everyone just for the listeners at home. I'm 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:32.200 showing everyone a video which works really well. It's a concept, 0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.400 so I'm giving them some affordance for how slow this is. 0:40:34.880 --> 0:40:38.160 I find this kind of cool. I kind of like, like, 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:40.440 you know what, when it comes to robot vacuums, I'm 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:44.959 oddly like generous, especially because this is just like very 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.680 fun to watch. It's like kind of shoving its crotch 0:40:47.719 --> 0:40:49.640 into the stairs. It slides up. 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:51.960 Yeah, and then when it term makes that bend and 0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:53.759 it starts to go down, it's kind of funny because 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:55.359 it's sort of like half of it goes up. 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:59.160 I think that's cool. I think it's go Yeah. 0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.480 People, I've asked for years for a robot vacuum that 0:41:02.520 --> 0:41:04.520 can do like multiple floors. 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:06.600 Without having to pick it up, and I like him. 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:10.000 I just find the robot rock that I have doesn't 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:15.359 clean dust sometimes, which is a classic exhibit of the floor. Yeah, 0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:18.080 but you know what, I feel like robot vacuums are 0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:21.520 like the state, Like they're the like block and tackle 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.120 of cees. You see. I've been seeing robot vacuum s. 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:28.759 If he is, it's like watching him keep going, like watching. 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:30.719 Hey little buddy. Yeah, I get doing. 0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:32.760 Oh you got a fucking arm now. Nice. 0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:38.879 I feel so biased against robot vacuums because I think 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.120 I've like lived with the roomate who had one and 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.719 it never worked. Yeah, that was like one experience a 0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:48.080 long time ago. But uh, just like less than a 0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:53.440 month ago, I shot a whole production piece in Denver, 0:41:53.640 --> 0:41:56.479 and our whole small crew was staying in one big 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.840 Airbnb in like this big, big, fancy house in Denver, 0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:04.759 and they had robot vacuums on every floor because for 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:07.600 this exact reason. So I bet these people would love 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:11.120 robot vacuums. Second climb stairs, but they didn't turn off. 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:14.040 I don't know fucking why. Whatever it was, all of 0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:16.840 these robot vacuums were programmed to turn on at midnight, 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:19.759 and they were so loud and so scary, and you 0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.160 had no idea what was going on. And so we, 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:24.640 like my boyfriend and I were sleeping in a bed 0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:29.520 here functionally and just we were asleep, and then from 0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:36.839 that far away you just hear this horrible like us 0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:42.200 and then downstairs, Uh what my one of our crew, 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:45.480 who was staying in the basement, her robot vacuum actually 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:49.120 pushed her door open came into her room in the 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:52.480 middle of the night, and she was like, I genuinely 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:54.920 thought I had an invader, like a home vide. I 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:57.680 thought I was going to be assaulted, and it's just 0:42:57.760 --> 0:42:58.440 a room ba. 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:01.480 Horrifying. 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.480 I would never have to have a personal vendetta against 0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:05.400 my vacuum. 0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:08.160 It's also just like the problem is is that, like 0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:10.880 every robot thing, it's the edge cases, it's the ship 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.160 between the corners. That's actually the problem. When it comes 0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:15.680 to sweeping the floor, that's prett easy. If you have 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:18.840 a perfectly flat surface, it's good. It's just like we 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.000 all want it to work. Have you tried any of 0:43:21.040 --> 0:43:22.720 the wet dry ones? You've seen those. 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.120 I'm intrigued by them, but I've never just the idea 0:43:25.120 --> 0:43:27.800 of like having a little robot looking just spooge on 0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:30.480 my floor feels like. 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:31.759 Like, I don't they already seem to do pretty bad 0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:36.440 with the brushes. I don't want them to like, sorry, ejaculate. 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:43.000 It's like an aqui. God, yeah, I'm sorry. 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:45.040 All right, Oh buddy, you got excited. 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:46.759 Calm down. 0:43:48.520 --> 0:43:50.399 I think that's kind of you know, that's the core 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.480 disconnective cs, right, Like you just want stuff that works 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.840 a little better. Yeah, and that's not something that you 0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.520 can have a CS like it finally works. 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:02.480 It's not really did more but didn't work. That's often 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:04.560 what it is though. That's another. 0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:11.120 More did dreamy vacuum with the arm. It can change 0:44:11.120 --> 0:44:13.040 out the arm. It has a little cubby in its 0:44:13.040 --> 0:44:16.319 station and it can change out the little claw thing 0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:20.680 for like a vacuum nozzle and like reach the arm 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.000 up and like suck. Well it's not that long, but 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.840 it can like go into corners or little spots that. 0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:28.600 That's what can see. How can it where it needs 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:28.920 to go? 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:31.719 I don't know. I asked them at their booth because 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:34.319 they were demonstrating the kind of claw arm just sort 0:44:34.320 --> 0:44:36.080 of picking up balls and putting them in a basket. 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:38.200 And I asked them if they could show me it 0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:41.600 going to fetch its little attachments, and they said, no. 0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:46.200 They don't work. That just means they don't work. That 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:46.960 doesn't happen. 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:49.320 They looked very alarmed, and I asked, like, oh. 0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:52.000 Yeah, no, one's awesome. That's I love these moments though, 0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:55.840 where you can see nobody, like there's like two thousand 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.239 members of the media and it's being like, can you 0:44:58.280 --> 0:44:59.399 show me it do that? 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:02.920 Keep asking but who cares? 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:13.280 When they tell me something? Because I just have so little. 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:17.560 Repercussions for being This is why I asked, did anyone 0:45:17.600 --> 0:45:18.320 have an answer? 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:19.600 Uh? 0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:22.560 It usually takes them like a couple It takes me 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:25.399 a couple tries, and then I would say probably two 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:27.760 thirds of people have got have been able to answer 0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:28.439 the but who cares? 0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:28.799 Question? 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:31.240 But it's just so it's so clear that like nobody's prepared. 0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:34.000 And I understand that I'm being like incredibly brusque about it, 0:45:34.320 --> 0:45:36.800 but I'm also like, I don't know, man, you should. 0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:37.400 Have an answer for that. 0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:38.839 I feel like you should. Yeah. 0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:43.759 I Like there was one like cable stand where it's 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:46.480 like it looks really fancy and he's telling me all 0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:49.200 about it, and I was like, as far as I 0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:52.640 could glean, the only thing special about the cable was 0:45:52.920 --> 0:45:54.839 you can make it extra long. 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:56.239 Hm, it wasn't. 0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:58.359 I was like, oh, are you saying like you can 0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:00.680 change out the heads of the cable and you can 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:02.840 whatever what they were like all these little pieces and 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:04.800 then he was like, no, no, it's all the same head. 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:08.279 You can't change it out. It's only USBC. But you 0:46:08.280 --> 0:46:10.240 can connect them, and I was like, so it's. 0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:13.319 Just really long connect. 0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:16.959 Two USBC cables to each other to make a long 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:21.680 USBC cables and wound And I was like, but who cares? 0:46:21.800 --> 0:46:23.040 Like why not just buy a lot? 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:26.440 Sure? I guess I no, I get it. 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.759 Like there, it's just this kind of stuff where it's like, 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:31.759 I just want to know the answer to. 0:46:32.120 --> 0:46:36.120 Is so what? It's kind of alarming that everyone doesn't 0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:37.880 have that answer. 0:46:38.160 --> 0:46:38.680 Yeah, that's the thing. 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:42.839 I yeah, I understand that I am being annoying in 0:46:42.840 --> 0:46:43.720 your face, and. 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.760 I get that you're saying that and you're being nice, 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:50.200 but also this feels like you should just be able 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:54.480 to explain really totally, really easy totally, because otherwise you 0:46:54.520 --> 0:46:58.200 paid like twenty five thousand dollars a day to be 0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:02.080 in like the South Hole to show off the goob 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.439 is microwave with AI or whatever. It's cold. 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:06.920 There's often there is often that question when you're looking 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:08.719 at something, it's like, well, why couldn't I just do this? 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:10.600 And then I don't know? 0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.080 Yeah neither the day yeah yeah yeah, Well, like like 0:47:14.160 --> 0:47:15.960 I was at Lenovo's booth today and they have their 0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:19.279 own day they to I think I talked about this 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:21.480 last year too, Like they got cool hardware stuff. 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:23.479 Okay, I want to hear please, that sounds fun. 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.520 They have a gaming laptop. It's a concept, of course, 0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.239 but some to their credit, some of those concept things they. 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:32.720 Tell Henry Casey was mentioning the toning screen, they actually 0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:33.120 made yes. 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.040 And then they have a gaming laptop that goes from 0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:38.280 like regular sixteen by nine into like ultra wide. 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.480 Hell yeah, yeah, I fucking love that shit. I know, 0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:44.440 I love that shit. Great. It's like probably insanely expensive. 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:46.279 But so what I'm guessing is it like you pull 0:47:46.280 --> 0:47:48.360 out the sit it's a rollable display. If you just 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:52.080 press a button in it, let's fucking go. Yeah. 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:56.160 Consumer Electronics shows showed me some weird shit. Great, that 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:58.399 was like in the back. And then they have an 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:00.280 AI chatbot for Winds. 0:48:01.960 --> 0:48:04.839 What is the reason they claim that is? 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:10.800 I could not get an answer. What did he balance that? Uh? 0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:12.839 Usual AI stuff like. 0:48:12.920 --> 0:48:14.520 You have a document? You have a document. 0:48:14.600 --> 0:48:16.440 Yeah, It's like you have a document and then you 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:19.360 ask about the document and it tells you about the document, 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.879 summarizes your notification. And it was like it was like, well, 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:26.200 why wouldn't I just use you know, copilot or chat 0:48:26.200 --> 0:48:27.840 ept and there wasn't really a clear. 0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:29.799 Get him out of here, get him out of here now, 0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:35.359 just you'll leaves. Gods, yeah, that's They. 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.280 Also had people telling me that it was on device 0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:41.640 language models, and then like the product manager was like, 0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:42.800 oh no, that's that's incorrect. 0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.200 So large language models traditionally are run in the clouds, 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:49.800 so you have to have a persistent Internet connection. There 0:48:49.840 --> 0:48:53.319 are on device language models that require a ship ton 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:57.120 of RAM to run because large language models are extremely rand. 0:48:56.920 --> 0:49:01.560 Depending are you are have you downloaded the Actually I don't. 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:05.200 Most people seeing the stupidest question, have you downloaded a 0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:07.560 file that is the size of the large language? 0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:07.840 Amight it? 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:09.240 Like do you are you holding the whole? 0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.840 No? No, they not in this case they the product manager. 0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:15.839 Yes, in this case they were not. In theory, yeah, 0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:19.640 you would have to have this like pretty powerful computer 0:49:19.960 --> 0:49:22.040 in a lot of space and whatever, and it still 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:23.719 wouldn't work as well as like chatty. 0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:24.480 Yeah would take it. 0:49:24.560 --> 0:49:26.399 But then and then you would and but yeah, yeah, 0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:28.440 I was asking about it because you're dealing with like 0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:30.960 they were taking screenshots of what you were doing so 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:33.120 that they could summarize and this like I don't really 0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:35.120 want that data going up who knows where. 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:38.040 So it's like, finally you can tell me what I'm 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:41.520 looking at? Yeah, how else would I know I'm not 0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:44.200 looking at? That's such a ship because Lenovo makes some 0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:47.720 reliable share and that was the legion go their handheld 0:49:47.760 --> 0:49:52.319 gaming pieces. Pretty cool them anything like that. No new 0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:56.319 gaming handheld stuff this year? Well, thank god? Would using 0:49:56.360 --> 0:50:00.359 all the world's high bandwidth RAM to generate various wife 0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:04.360 tunes like it's It's just such a shame. Now, Chris, 0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:06.960 I'm going to change the weird company to choose for 0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:09.319 something that is actually kind of interesting. Matt is doing 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:12.200 some stuff with this armband, right, and I was nearly 0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:14.200 ready to make fun of it as an autistic myself. 0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:17.480 But this one that can see facial gestures, can you, 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:21.640 or like emotions and such for the blind though, Yes. 0:50:21.560 --> 0:50:25.319 So this is actually a startup that is so the 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:29.479 startup is independent for Meta, but they made this risk 0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:32.680 based like wearable device that's supposed to work in conjunction 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:36.320 with metas smart glasses. So the ideas that you're wearing 0:50:36.520 --> 0:50:40.040 Meta smart glasses. They have these kind of like real 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:44.200 time AI capabilities. So I'm talking to you the videos on. 0:50:45.520 --> 0:50:48.440 That's going back to an app that's run by this startup. Right, 0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:52.680 the app can detect They have these models to detect 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.799 kind of like facial expressions, gestures. There's a whole bunch 0:50:55.840 --> 0:50:58.600 of stuff you can customize, right, and then this wristband 0:50:59.000 --> 0:51:01.000 will send a signal to the risk and it vibrates 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:03.680 in different patterns based on like if you do a 0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:06.560 thumbs up, it might vibrate like in a certain way 0:51:06.600 --> 0:51:09.759 if you do it thumbs down, or you frown or you. 0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.440 You know, for someone who's visually impaired. Yeah, actually sounds 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:13.520 quite useful. 0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:16.719 If somebody is talking to a blind person and they 0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:18.520 give a thumbs up that person. 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:21.640 Yeah, actually that's a that's a good point anybody. That's 0:51:21.640 --> 0:51:22.240 a good point. 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:24.760 Anybody who thinks that they can communicate with a blind 0:51:24.800 --> 0:51:27.879 person via hand gesture should be walked off. 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.120 You are doing the jack off gesture at me. My 0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.839 armband's fucking telling me you're just doing this with your hand. 0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:34.840 Yeah, well, I just. 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:36.480 Could do your subtle ones too. And I think it's 0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:38.480 also they said that you know there's people who you know, 0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:40.400 they're talking to their kids and they're like, oh, I 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:43.839 never get that feedback from my kids, like knowing how 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:46.200 they're Yeah, that's another expressions. 0:51:45.800 --> 0:51:46.879 They did get back in line. 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:49.480 No, No, they did say that. Yeah, they think that perhaps 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:51.600 there's a use case for people who are nerodivergent who 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:53.600 just like could see the facial expression but just like 0:51:53.640 --> 0:51:54.440 don't know what it means. 0:51:55.400 --> 0:51:59.279 But I say this as someone with autism. If I 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:02.399 heard someone's say that to me, they might be blind 0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:04.719 by the end of the conversation. I will say this, 0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:06.719 if you're a visually impaired listener to the show, I 0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:09.080 would actually love easy at Better offline dot com please 0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:12.840 email me because I can see, like I don't experience 0:52:12.880 --> 0:52:15.080 your life. I'm actually genuinely curious if these things happened, 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:16.759 because I know last year there was this cane that 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.000 talked and we kind of like like like we made 0:52:19.000 --> 0:52:20.400 fun of it, but it was like people were like, no, 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:22.120 this is actually really useful, and I want to know 0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:24.560 because I don't want to give people shit for something 0:52:24.600 --> 0:52:27.360 that's actually useful. The fact they're mentioning the near I 0:52:27.440 --> 0:52:30.719 divergent thing really fucking pisses me off, though, because that 0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:33.200 is like the experience of someone who does not have 0:52:33.920 --> 0:52:36.360 autism or anything related to that, because it's just like, 0:52:36.680 --> 0:52:39.480 that's not how it fucking works. We're not sitting there 0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:42.480 like with what is the bloke from Light to Me 0:52:43.000 --> 0:52:47.440 where it's just looking from micro expressions. Nobody saw that show. Okay, okay, 0:52:47.480 --> 0:52:50.640 it's just mostly it's just Tim Roth going you lie 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:53.320 in mate, and then like every scene is cut between, 0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:56.680 like like a picture of like Colin Powell and Bill Clinton, 0:52:56.800 --> 0:53:00.640 Like frowning at someone is like frowning if they should 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:03.160 have the light to be blowke at CEUs. You know 0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:06.520 what I'm it's weird. Meta seems to have like oddly 0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:10.560 interesting accessibility stuff though, like who works over there? It's 0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:13.319 like they seem to be trying something there. And then 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:15.040 there's all the other stuff that Meta does, like ten 0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:17.879 percent of their revenue being from fraud twenty four, which 0:53:17.920 --> 0:53:18.239 is real. 0:53:18.719 --> 0:53:21.840 Does that mean that, like somebody high up in some 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:25.239 pyramid at Meta is actually well intentioned? 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:28.879 Yes? I mean, like I must be clear, I think 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:32.080 Meta is a deeply evil organization run by a scumbag. 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:36.000 And when when Mark Zuckerberg, I assume from natural causes, 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:38.000 passes from this world or for a fucking party for 0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:41.880 that piece of shit. That being said, there are people 0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:45.200 a meta I'm familiar with inaccessibility, in particular, you actually 0:53:45.239 --> 0:53:47.080 give a ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just they're not 0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:49.560 running the company, and I think it might be sadly 0:53:49.600 --> 0:53:51.960 like an after effect of the larger product. But at 0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:53.800 the same time, if there's some fucking good from me, 0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:59.360 it's just it's hard to get excited about something from that. Yeah, exactly. 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:02.160 It's like, actually, because like my the only meta product 0:54:02.239 --> 0:54:06.359 I unashamedly loved was the Portal. Was great, but it's 0:54:06.400 --> 0:54:08.480 because it could it like it was a very It's 0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:10.759 weirdly hard to find a thing to call someone from 0:54:10.760 --> 0:54:13.319 a TV and like on Christmas, my kid and I 0:54:13.440 --> 0:54:15.480 might call my parents and it's like it's easy for 0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:17.000 my dad and my mom to work and they just 0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:19.400 click and it works, and they of course discontinued this 0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:23.800 product because meta is Yeah, meta is not about connecting 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:28.280 you to people. It's about showing you either like dogs 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:32.359 barking or like dog whistles. Mostly AI dog's barking at 0:54:32.360 --> 0:54:32.760 this point. 0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:36.000 Yeah, like the worst AI s I generated like sprouts 0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:38.480 another head and then that that head starts barking. 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:41.600 So I'm like being like reverse gang stalk by meta. Though, 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:44.399 because I don't get any AI slow. Oh really, I've 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:47.880 never been shown any. 0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:49.800 I don't know that I get shown AI stuff. 0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:52.640 I've seen other people's feets and they are just like, yes, 0:54:53.239 --> 0:54:56.839 I have a friend who's it's exclusively AI. I get 0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:59.560 like I get gen Z people being like showing a 0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:03.319 clearly homeless person pictures of like brain raw and this 0:55:03.360 --> 0:55:06.440 person in distress, just being like why am I being 0:55:07.120 --> 0:55:10.440 harassed by a man with broccoli hair and eight cameras 0:55:10.880 --> 0:55:13.719 And it's like, oh God. But luckily I've trained my things, 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:15.920 so all they get is like silk and wind howls 0:55:16.040 --> 0:55:19.000 now like shout out to Chloe and Abby and all 0:55:19.000 --> 0:55:21.719 those wonderful dogs. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. Just 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:24.040 moving on. But yeah, like I've had to train my feed. 0:55:24.120 --> 0:55:26.960 But it's a shame because it's like I guess, at 0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:29.280 some scale with a company like that, you do eventually 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:31.879 do a good thing, just most of the other things 0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:34.239 are bad. Do they still support the portal? Does it work? 0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:36.040 It works? For now? 0:55:36.560 --> 0:55:37.320 What is the portal? 0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:39.920 It's like, literally, it's just an HDMI camera. You connect 0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:41.919 to your TV and you can connect to someone else. 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:43.040 It will it works? 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.680 Right, You're looking at it. Yeah, and it follows for 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:48.600 your TV. Yeah, and it follows you like very quite 0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:50.800 well as well. It's like it was a cool product, 0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:52.640 which is why they stopped it because we can't have that. 0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:55.200 We can't be having you connect to people on Facebook. 0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:57.200 No, no, because you know what that does takes you 0:55:57.320 --> 0:55:58.240 off of Facebook. 0:55:58.280 --> 0:56:00.200 Yeah, you can't be shown the feed. But it's like 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:03.200 it's interesting to see them try. Shit, It's just there's 0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.200 all the other stuff. Also, it's kind of rare to 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:09.959 see hyperscala here because like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, they don't 0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.640 really Amazon will have like a side thingy. I remember 0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:14.400 last year when I had a picture of the smiling 0:56:14.440 --> 0:56:16.680 man on my badge and I went into the Amazon 0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:21.319 thing a woman stopped me and went wows. I mean, 0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:23.760 there are no good reactions to that picture and everyone 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:26.319 knows it. But yeah, it's it's they usually don't have 0:56:26.360 --> 0:56:30.000 a presence, so mets are trying to do stuff is good, 0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:35.839 Like right now, I'm like try. I guess everyone is 0:56:36.200 --> 0:56:37.240 looking quite pained. 0:56:37.560 --> 0:56:40.080 I mean, the smart glasses are interesting. They you know, 0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:42.920 I've written a lot about this. I have very mixed 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:47.040 feelings dumb about that because they're genuinely good products. You 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:49.160 roast me every time I post on my Instagram. 0:56:49.480 --> 0:56:52.759 You don't have roast roast you. I'm nice to you. 0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:55.040 When did I ask grost you? Come on? Now? 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:56.640 You don't rust me, but I did one time post 0:56:56.680 --> 0:56:58.440 a poll of like do these look good on me? 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:00.200 And you were like and you were the first and 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:01.000 instill like. 0:57:03.560 --> 0:57:05.800 It's the royals and glasses but anyway you have complax. 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:09.240 It's true because they are actually like a good product 0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:11.719 if you use them, they work really well. The a 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.160 some of the AI stuff you're gonna hate this, it's cool. 0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:17.480 The translation features I've used on vacation consistently. 0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:19.760 That's the only feature where like everyone's gonna like that. 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:21.080 And dictation and stuff is good. 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:26.040 Yeah, they're good. The display glasses they look unfortunate, Yeah. 0:57:25.840 --> 0:57:29.320 But I've used, but they're using they're kind of cool. 0:57:29.400 --> 0:57:32.480 Yeah, they're cool. They're you know, I tried today. They 0:57:32.880 --> 0:57:35.680 they just launched a handwriting the handwriting feature. 0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:36.320 What's that? 0:57:36.960 --> 0:57:39.520 So you know they use this neural band that you 0:57:39.560 --> 0:57:40.640 can control gestures. 0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:43.120 So if you sell of the glasses, you put them 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:45.160 on and you control it with the wristband. Just for 0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:45.720 party site. 0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:47.760 Yeah, you kind of do little swipes and that's how 0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:48.680 you control the interface. 0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:49.880 It works pretty well, and it does. 0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:51.520 And so up to now, if you get like a 0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:54.480 What'sapp message and you want to reply, basically you have 0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:57.480 to like use your voice to dictate or reply. So 0:57:57.760 --> 0:57:59.800 now what they're going to do is they have a 0:58:00.040 --> 0:58:03.200 future it's feature called handwriting, where you can basically just 0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:06.200 trace letters with your hand, like on any like on 0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:08.720 your leg, on a table, you know, just say cool, 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:10.760 like just do the letters and then that will appear 0:58:12.040 --> 0:58:13.720 on screen. And I try to say it was actually 0:58:13.760 --> 0:58:15.720 like it worked really well. It did not work with cursive, 0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:18.360 although I'm the only old person who probably would even 0:58:18.400 --> 0:58:18.680 try that. 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.520 Uh huh, I mean that's I cannot, like I just 0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:24.920 practice a physical, physical disability, where like writing is one 0:58:24.920 --> 0:58:27.919 of the worst things. It's like eventually painful. I kind 0:58:27.920 --> 0:58:29.280 of want to go and hunt this down just to 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:33.640 be like, yeah, let's fucking go, mate, I have a disability. 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:36.240 Let's go. But actually, you know, maybe it works, but wait, 0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.520 so do it's how you write them? Do you do 0:58:38.560 --> 0:58:39.240 it by letter? 0:58:39.520 --> 0:58:41.160 Like yeah, so you just do a letter by letter 0:58:41.200 --> 0:58:42.560 and then when you want to do a space, you 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:44.640 do like a left to right. When you want to 0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:47.480 delete something, you can go right to left. 0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:50.720 I'm oddly like intrigued by this because there's when they 0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:52.920 brought Swipe. I don't remember Swipe. It's like when you 0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.480 just drag the it's now fairly common, but it like 0:58:55.800 --> 0:58:58.200 that works pretty well. Oh yeah, I love it. I'm 0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:00.320 kind of like, all right, Meta, if you want to 0:59:00.320 --> 0:59:02.960 do one whole booth for swipe, a c that they 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:05.440 did one year Swipe, I think actually have like a 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:09.960 small booth. Yeah, it sounds like something plausible and I 0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:14.920 just mandela affected into the world, just like YouTube videos 0:59:14.920 --> 0:59:18.640 popping up. No, it's I I can't believe, like Meta 0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:23.000 fucking Meta is the company that brought something that worked 0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:26.560 to ces. Oh god, it's like it's like a three 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:28.800 headed dog being born. Disgusting. 0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:32.320 I mean, I think what you were what you were 0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:36.760 saying earlier about basically the trend is the most pragmatic 0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:40.560 things are the things that actually will help the world 0:59:40.600 --> 0:59:43.439 and the consumers actually want and actually need, But they 0:59:43.640 --> 0:59:45.920 just are the least shiny and they get the least 0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:49.320 positive feedback and they hit the fewest headlines. 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:55.480 Yeah, and if you allow me to tell a brief story, 0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:57.640 please please close out this there. 0:59:57.640 --> 0:59:59.760 This is okay, Here we go. I think, I think 0:59:59.840 --> 1:00:01.680 we you're for the first minute of this, you're gonna 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:03.360 go why are you telling this story? And then I 1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:10.000 think you will understand. For my wonderful boyfriend's birthday earlier 1:00:10.040 --> 1:00:14.640 this year, I had a couple grand plans. I have 1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:17.920 this like very vivid memory of him having when we 1:00:17.920 --> 1:00:19.640 first started dating a couple of years ago, having this 1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:23.400 like plug by his bed that had multi chords coming 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:25.760 out of it, like a little octopus set up kind 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:28.160 of thing, and he would move it from next to 1:00:28.200 --> 1:00:30.360 his bed to his office and then from his office 1:00:30.360 --> 1:00:32.760 to wherever we were going. And I two years ago 1:00:32.840 --> 1:00:34.600 I was like, it would be awesome to get him 1:00:34.960 --> 1:00:36.000 a second one of those so. 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:37.320 That he didn't have to move it around. 1:00:37.800 --> 1:00:40.120 And then he also thinks that the Eminem's store in 1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:42.800 Times Square is very funny, and so I was like, 1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:46.800 I also will get him some Eminem's store branded merchandise, okay, 1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:49.200 And then I think I had a third idea right 1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:53.360 that I don't remember now. And then it was the 1:00:53.440 --> 1:00:55.440 day before my boyfriend lives in London. It was a 1:00:55.520 --> 1:00:57.080 day before I was It was the day I think 1:00:57.080 --> 1:00:59.120 it was the day that I was flying to London. 1:00:59.480 --> 1:01:02.520 Had not any of this. Went to the Times Square 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:06.120 store in London, the Eminem I'm sorry, the eminem story 1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:09.720 in Times Square. Uh, couldn't find anything that he would want. 1:01:09.760 --> 1:01:11.520 Got him a pair of boxer shorts that I knew 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:13.600 he wouldn't like. It's not the type that he wears. 1:01:13.640 --> 1:01:15.920 But I was like I at this point, I really 1:01:16.000 --> 1:01:18.760 have backed myself into a corner. Landed in London, went 1:01:18.800 --> 1:01:22.600 immediately to multiple department stores looking for this type of 1:01:22.640 --> 1:01:26.080 cable whatever. None of them had the setup that I wanted. 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:31.120 I wound up buying what's the fancy It's like Macy's. 1:01:31.240 --> 1:01:32.720 No, it's like a step down from that. 1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:38.720 It's a two word, two name, John w John Lewis, John. 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:43.120 I fucking wish yees. 1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:45.320 So he went to John Wallas, went John Watis, went 1:01:45.360 --> 1:01:48.200 to John Lewis, bought him a plug and two cables 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:52.120 that all were sold separately. Couldn't figure out what the 1:01:52.120 --> 1:01:55.000 third like, couldn't find the third thing whatever. I wound 1:01:55.040 --> 1:01:57.960 up for his birthday and just for context, the year 1:01:58.000 --> 1:02:00.400 before he had turned forty and I had gotten him 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:03.160 a vintage Tottenham Hotspur which is the soccer team that 1:02:03.200 --> 1:02:06.240 he supports warm up jacket from the year that he 1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:09.920 became a fan of nineteen eighty three, like went hunted 1:02:09.920 --> 1:02:12.160 on eBay, found the exactly it was this incredible gift. 1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:16.040 And this year I brought him Eminem's boxers and a 1:02:16.160 --> 1:02:20.560 plug and two chords. And he was like, you are 1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:23.200 the idiot husband and I am the long suffering wife. 1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:27.520 And fair point. But the entire point of this story 1:02:27.680 --> 1:02:30.120 is out of all of the presents I have gotten 1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:31.640 him over the last two years, you want to know 1:02:31.680 --> 1:02:35.160 what he fucking uses every fucking day, the cable and 1:02:35.200 --> 1:02:39.560 the cables. And I'm like, see, it wasn't a bad present. 1:02:39.920 --> 1:02:43.560 And you are still the fucking husband. You're still the husband. 1:02:43.880 --> 1:02:46.919 You're still the husband who got the gift. They're like, look, 1:02:47.000 --> 1:02:53.120 it's good, it's good, and it was expensive. Stop muttering 1:02:53.120 --> 1:02:56.360 onto your breath when I mentioned Christmas. All right, We're 1:02:56.360 --> 1:02:59.120 going to rotight to our next guest. The next advertisement 1:02:59.200 --> 1:03:02.640 is brought to you by Blought the sun Cream for Dogs. 1:03:17.480 --> 1:03:20.000 Welcome back to the show. I'm met Zeitron. I'm joined 1:03:20.000 --> 1:03:21.240 by Charissa Bella Engadget. 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:21.640 Hello. 1:03:21.640 --> 1:03:25.520 Hello, Jared Newman of the Advisory to newsletter. I'm Robert 1:03:25.520 --> 1:03:28.720 Evans of Behind the Bastards. I am loving the drive 1:03:28.800 --> 1:03:33.560 time radio DJ version. I'm really enjoyed. A yeah, I really, 1:03:33.640 --> 1:03:37.840 I'm going to be everyone not for me. Have you 1:03:37.880 --> 1:03:40.440 taken reader questions? I would love them. If you want 1:03:40.440 --> 1:03:44.600 to easier better offline dot com, I'll answer all your questions. No, 1:03:44.720 --> 1:03:48.960 I've been Daniel Goodman my producer. Sorry, my producer is Mattsowski, 1:03:48.960 --> 1:03:51.720 but Daniel producers went in person. It's not a fan 1:03:51.760 --> 1:03:54.600 and be heat as well. Nevertheless, we've been working on it. 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:57.120 But I think the idea of like a drivetime show 1:03:57.120 --> 1:03:58.880 with me is a really, you don't need to you 1:03:58.880 --> 1:04:01.120 don't want to have that on. Holy Force come out 1:04:01.120 --> 1:04:03.560 of the world. But Robert, you've got a stack of 1:04:03.640 --> 1:04:06.280 paper in your crusading against trees. I do, I do. 1:04:06.920 --> 1:04:07.760 I hate trees. 1:04:07.960 --> 1:04:12.680 I love printed advertisements for products that are going to 1:04:12.720 --> 1:04:17.160 destroy the company releasing them. Yes, and I've been collecting 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:18.680 quite a few. These are just the ones that I 1:04:18.720 --> 1:04:20.360 managed to grab out of my bag quickly. 1:04:20.560 --> 1:04:22.720 Nice, but talk to me about some of the things 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:23.560 you've seen today. 1:04:23.640 --> 1:04:27.400 Well, I mean, easily the most impressive product that's at 1:04:27.400 --> 1:04:29.440 the show today and there's a wide variety of stuff. 1:04:29.440 --> 1:04:32.680 There's like apparently some sort of like magnetically fired net 1:04:32.720 --> 1:04:37.280 gun for taking out drones. Okay, you know there's all 1:04:37.320 --> 1:04:42.640 sorts of incredible like different like in smart vehicle product 1:04:42.920 --> 1:04:46.960 or products like different kind of electric engines, and like 1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:49.920 all sorts of crazy new battery and solar technology. But 1:04:49.960 --> 1:04:53.360 it's the AI that's really set off the convention this year. 1:04:53.440 --> 1:04:56.240 Everyone's talking about AI and there's no AI product that 1:04:56.280 --> 1:04:59.320 people are talking about more than AI Moon, the world's 1:04:59.360 --> 1:05:04.080 first zodia AI faery. I mean obvious, please, like look 1:05:04.080 --> 1:05:06.920 at the I mean I would describe them as like 1:05:07.480 --> 1:05:14.280 if a furry that's not a nice joke, furrey head 1:05:14.320 --> 1:05:17.880 fetal alcohol syndrome, right, Like that's that's kind of like 1:05:18.000 --> 1:05:21.200 how these look to me. I don't mean that like negative, 1:05:21.840 --> 1:05:26.640 it's just a description. Yeah, And these are these are 1:05:26.680 --> 1:05:31.560 to replace your astrologer. You know, they're trying to get 1:05:31.640 --> 1:05:32.400 rid of astrology. 1:05:32.400 --> 1:05:35.920 They're coming off a scam. They're coming after the scam artists. Today, 1:05:36.160 --> 1:05:39.040 the newspapers are gonna shut down. They already told classified 1:05:39.120 --> 1:05:39.439 the way. 1:05:40.040 --> 1:05:42.760 And I, for one thing, I cannot tell how much 1:05:42.840 --> 1:05:46.000 is AI generated of the pictures of people in this brochure. 1:05:46.040 --> 1:05:49.520 Everything looks a little wrong to me. Yeah. Yeah. 1:05:49.760 --> 1:05:52.720 They brat that they have a pro prietary astrology engine 1:05:52.720 --> 1:05:55.760 with a berth horoscope and a composite chart analysis, a 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:58.040 long term memory system so it gets to know you 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:02.520 better with every chat, and a personalized personality that's customizable 1:06:02.560 --> 1:06:06.960 based on user data. They're good as friends, as emotional comfort. 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:10.560 They brag that it can help you cure certain problems 1:06:10.600 --> 1:06:14.000 that you might have. Uh so I'm gonna say the 1:06:14.040 --> 1:06:17.760 other ad I've got. Yes, I'm gonna say Jesus Christ. 1:06:18.200 --> 1:06:20.720 First of all, I don't think the audience could possibly 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:26.960 know how low resolution it's like. And you've got some Yeah, 1:06:27.040 --> 1:06:29.480 here's the thing, because there's like astrology where it's like 1:06:29.480 --> 1:06:31.520 based on like when you were born and more times, 1:06:31.600 --> 1:06:34.040 and like there's always like thoughts. This is not that, 1:06:34.080 --> 1:06:38.720 this is like various photos. They're not okay, this is 1:06:38.800 --> 1:06:40.600 like did they photo show this thing in that's what 1:06:40.920 --> 1:06:42.120 They don't quite look right. 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:44.240 And I can't tell if that's just because they used 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:47.720 AI photos or if there's just like a deep well 1:06:47.760 --> 1:06:48.880 of madness at the same. 1:06:48.920 --> 1:06:50.480 These are these physical objects. 1:06:50.920 --> 1:06:55.680 Yeah, yeah, they're little furbye sized objects that give you 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:59.360 our like horoscope chatbots that are supposed to like learn 1:06:59.480 --> 1:07:03.240 and evolve the more they work with you. And they're 1:07:03.240 --> 1:07:07.480 also supposed to like counsel you and be like quasi therapists. 1:07:07.520 --> 1:07:11.800 So they had like four different arc types of these 1:07:11.960 --> 1:07:14.600 robots that they were advising. One is the relationship advisor 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:17.840 filter out toxic, filter out the toxic, making the ones 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:20.800 you loved, making the sorry, making the ones you love 1:07:20.920 --> 1:07:25.080 cherish you even more, which is a weird sentence first off, 1:07:25.160 --> 1:07:30.919 like okay, sure. And this one is sharp tongued, emotionally rich, 1:07:31.120 --> 1:07:34.760 sharp intuition, strong empathy, and sensible and obviously it's a Scorpio. 1:07:35.800 --> 1:07:39.200 And then the Capricorn one is your career lucky charm. 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:44.080 It cures overthinking, which might be a violation of FDA advertising, 1:07:44.800 --> 1:07:48.480 cures in action, masters, hustling, and career building. 1:07:48.560 --> 1:07:50.640 I want to know how cues in action just by 1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:52.520 it's so horrifying you make it. 1:07:52.600 --> 1:07:54.280 Yeah, I need to get up and leave my house 1:07:54.320 --> 1:07:56.400 to get away for it from the doll. 1:07:57.720 --> 1:07:58.000 Yeah. 1:07:58.040 --> 1:08:01.040 And then there's the joyful protector cap onuncech to ditch 1:08:01.040 --> 1:08:04.480 the mental overloads, stay upbeaten, carefree, twenty four to seven, 1:08:04.760 --> 1:08:07.280 and I really wanted to try these out, but they 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:09.360 did not seem to be functioning. At least the demo 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:13.200 I got, I couldn't really hear it and it I connected, 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:15.640 it just like wasn't connecting. I guess like that's been 1:08:15.680 --> 1:08:18.840 an issue because I've tried a bunch of different we 1:08:18.960 --> 1:08:22.800 slapped and we gave access to jim Andi or to 1:08:23.080 --> 1:08:26.960 fucking chat GPT, to a ring or to a pencil 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:30.040 or something like that, and most of the ones when 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:32.040 I'd ask like can I try it, They're like, well, 1:08:32.240 --> 1:08:35.400 the signal's not really working right now, like because it's been. 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:37.040 A lot though, because the Wi Fi doesn't work and 1:08:37.080 --> 1:08:38.760 all these things are off device. Yeah. 1:08:38.800 --> 1:08:40.920 Well, and that's one of the products that I did 1:08:40.960 --> 1:08:44.120 really like was from a I initially just discovered the 1:08:44.160 --> 1:08:46.320 company because I saw their name and I was like, 1:08:46.439 --> 1:08:48.960 that can't be an American company because they would not 1:08:49.000 --> 1:08:52.360 have picked this name. And it's for they do translation 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:55.800 based AI products and the company's name is trans Aia, 1:08:56.200 --> 1:08:57.519 So I just looked. I just kind of like that 1:08:57.560 --> 1:08:59.439 got me looking. But then their products were actually really 1:08:59.720 --> 1:09:04.080 really neat. They had a device that's like a transcription tool. 1:09:04.160 --> 1:09:06.599 It's about the size of a smartphone. It's got the screen, 1:09:06.640 --> 1:09:09.479 it looks nice. It's got a swiveling camera that has 1:09:09.479 --> 1:09:11.559 like a little engine on it, and so you can 1:09:11.600 --> 1:09:13.120 just set it down when you're doing an interview and 1:09:13.120 --> 1:09:16.400 it'll transcribe that. But it also it acts as a translator. 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:18.360 It's got like one hundred and fifty languages, like you 1:09:18.360 --> 1:09:20.240 can have Translate Concrete, which. 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:22.519 A bunch of products actually sounds a ton of people. 1:09:22.520 --> 1:09:24.400 And this was on I remember them saying this was 1:09:24.439 --> 1:09:26.080 all on device, and it's on device. 1:09:26.240 --> 1:09:28.679 That's what I really liked because a lot of people 1:09:28.720 --> 1:09:30.880 are offering this is a translator, but it's in the 1:09:30.880 --> 1:09:34.559 cloud or it's it's you're literally like chat GPT's on 1:09:34.600 --> 1:09:36.760 it too, and like, so you want me to have 1:09:36.880 --> 1:09:39.760 like interviews that might be sensitive and then throw that 1:09:39.840 --> 1:09:42.280 shit back to chat GPT or elsewhere on the No, 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:43.439 I want it on device. 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:45.720 And especially with these cheap companies, you know they're not 1:09:45.840 --> 1:09:46.880 paying the extra. 1:09:46.680 --> 1:09:49.880 To keep it so diope, yeah, and that will be 1:09:49.960 --> 1:09:51.720 trans Ai is going to have this out there if 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:55.280 you just google Transai Kickstarter. They've got a Kickstarter going 1:09:55.320 --> 1:09:58.719 to fund this device, which I didn't get to test 1:09:58.760 --> 1:10:00.400 it fully, I did get to like whole and look 1:10:00.400 --> 1:10:02.720 at it. It seemed at least physically well made, like 1:10:02.720 --> 1:10:06.200 it's a good industrial design. I can't well I did. 1:10:06.360 --> 1:10:09.120 I mean, there's only so much you can try standing around. 1:10:09.520 --> 1:10:12.840 They did give me, though, a set of wireless earbuds 1:10:12.880 --> 1:10:16.760 that are automatic translators that's supposed so I am going 1:10:16.800 --> 1:10:20.280 to get to try that out like that, so we'll 1:10:20.280 --> 1:10:20.719 see how. 1:10:20.640 --> 1:10:22.679 Well it works device as well. 1:10:22.880 --> 1:10:24.960 No, no, no, no, those are those are because they're just 1:10:25.000 --> 1:10:30.479 little earbuds, right. But it may it may just be 1:10:30.560 --> 1:10:32.760 though that the downloads enough onto your phone. I'm not 1:10:32.880 --> 1:10:34.360 I haven't gotten to try that yet. 1:10:34.439 --> 1:10:37.120 But I feel like in a few years, anything that's 1:10:37.240 --> 1:10:39.200 left of the air Bubble will all be on device, 1:10:39.280 --> 1:10:42.040 just because nobody trusts this shit right well, and just yeah, 1:10:42.320 --> 1:10:43.360 nobody wants to pay for it. 1:10:43.400 --> 1:10:46.479 No one wants to pay for it, and for stuff 1:10:46.479 --> 1:10:49.320 that's really crucial, like being a like if you're trying 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:51.920 to sell like you can have conversations when you're traveling 1:10:51.960 --> 1:10:54.440 around the world, maybe in like weird off grid locations. 1:10:54.640 --> 1:10:56.040 I don't want to have to have like five G 1:10:57.200 --> 1:10:58.880 We were just saying that earlier. It's like if you're 1:10:58.880 --> 1:11:00.920 in some way where you desperate, you need the translation. 1:11:01.040 --> 1:11:04.360 There's no English speakers around. It's probably also not a 1:11:04.400 --> 1:11:07.439 Wi Fi rich environment. Yeah, and you you have more 1:11:07.479 --> 1:11:10.400 experience of this, I think than anyone. Well, and you'd 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:13.559 always prefer to have a person. But that's not mean 1:11:13.800 --> 1:11:17.160 always some what else you got in your pile of papers? Okay, 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:18.760 let's see what? Please? Do I have them? I? 1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:21.000 Well, I've got this book that I can't wait to read, 1:11:21.080 --> 1:11:24.320 Patterns for Building AI Agents by Sam Bogwatt, who is. 1:11:24.320 --> 1:11:25.160 The co founder. 1:11:25.640 --> 1:11:28.519 That's a great name. I think it's it's just a 1:11:28.560 --> 1:11:32.040 normal name. I'm Bogwar, founder and CEO of something called 1:11:32.120 --> 1:11:34.559 Master AI. I don't know what it is, but eleven 1:11:34.600 --> 1:11:36.960 of these we're sitting out at a bus stop on. 1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:38.960 The way to the convention center. So I just went 1:11:38.960 --> 1:11:41.080 ahead and grabbed one, like when you're walking around Brookley 1:11:41.120 --> 1:11:42.280 Fund a scientology thing. 1:11:42.560 --> 1:11:45.040 Yeah, yeah, it might be a cult. I have not 1:11:45.120 --> 1:11:46.240 confirmed it's not a cult. 1:11:46.960 --> 1:11:52.360 Okay, So okay, this guy Patsons for building a saman Yeah, 1:11:52.640 --> 1:11:54.360 I don't know. I'll look at this later and i'll 1:11:54.400 --> 1:11:56.960 tear it. Oh yeah, this is oh actually I can't read. 1:11:57.000 --> 1:11:59.960 This is the sequel to Principles of Building AI Agents 1:12:00.080 --> 1:12:01.599 of Oh, okay, you got to read the first one 1:12:02.600 --> 1:12:04.960 strikes back first. So I found the name. 1:12:05.000 --> 1:12:06.679 This is the device I was talking about, the AI, 1:12:07.080 --> 1:12:10.360 the on the world's first on device AI meeting note taker, 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:12.680 the trans AI note. You can see, it's like a 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:13.919 nice looking gadget. 1:12:15.120 --> 1:12:15.519 By the way. 1:12:15.520 --> 1:12:18.160 There was another device called trans AI or trans It's 1:12:18.160 --> 1:12:20.720 just something with trans and AI in the name, and 1:12:20.800 --> 1:12:25.080 it was voice cloning. It was a translator, that translator 1:12:25.120 --> 1:12:26.920 that tried to make your voice sound like it was 1:12:26.960 --> 1:12:27.839 in the other language. 1:12:27.920 --> 1:12:30.640 Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, it was a little undersettling. 1:12:30.680 --> 1:12:33.040 That's that's really good for fraud. Like that really is 1:12:33.080 --> 1:12:34.320 going to fraud. 1:12:34.479 --> 1:12:36.720 So I haven't really wanting to take advantage of a 1:12:36.720 --> 1:12:39.800 lot of French people at scale, and it's just hard 1:12:39.840 --> 1:12:40.800 to do right now. 1:12:41.360 --> 1:12:44.639 Yeah, I'm just reading this agent book example Coding Agents. 1:12:44.960 --> 1:12:48.200 Replet agent feeds errors back into context and kicks off 1:12:48.200 --> 1:12:50.880 an not mate feedback loop. Based on everything I've ever 1:12:50.880 --> 1:12:53.519 read about that company, that is wrong, just like it. 1:12:53.600 --> 1:12:56.400 Maybe just haven't looked masters. 1:12:57.360 --> 1:12:59.840 There was Oh, there was the cybo pal, which is 1:13:00.560 --> 1:13:02.599 It was one of those products where I can see 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:05.719 the cool in this, but it doesn't work very well. 1:13:05.720 --> 1:13:09.919 Where it's supposed to be a site tracking, intelligent monitor 1:13:10.000 --> 1:13:12.120 that moves on its own with your. 1:13:11.960 --> 1:13:14.400 Head, Okay, I can see the bottom as you as. 1:13:14.280 --> 1:13:16.680 You like move Now, obviously you don't want it to 1:13:16.840 --> 1:13:19.160 just physically move whenever you move your head, because that 1:13:19.200 --> 1:13:21.439 would be a nightmare. That would like literally be hell, 1:13:21.880 --> 1:13:24.519 like if this gadgets just constant as you're like, I 1:13:24.520 --> 1:13:26.200 gotta like move over, take a hit of a vight 1:13:26.240 --> 1:13:28.920 pen or something. But so they had to figure out, like, 1:13:28.960 --> 1:13:33.000 how can you what is like an easy, seamless, unobtrusive 1:13:33.040 --> 1:13:35.559 way for you to tell this thing to move, And 1:13:35.560 --> 1:13:39.520 they settled on a complex series of different hand gestures 1:13:39.800 --> 1:13:41.400 that you have to use, what like you have to 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:42.240 go aim at one. 1:13:42.160 --> 1:13:43.840 Of two different sensors. 1:13:43.880 --> 1:13:47.200 And first the lady who was like the pr representative 1:13:47.200 --> 1:13:48.760 that was supposed to show it off, tried to and 1:13:49.160 --> 1:13:51.280 about one out of every four times it did what 1:13:51.360 --> 1:13:53.920 she asked it to. And then the guy who I 1:13:54.040 --> 1:13:57.759 think was one of the inventors. It's definitely her boss. 1:13:58.280 --> 1:14:00.000 There's a language, bears. It was a little hard to 1:14:00.000 --> 1:14:02.960 tell their exact roles in the company sat down and he. 1:14:03.000 --> 1:14:03.719 Did a lot better. 1:14:03.880 --> 1:14:07.200 It responded to what he asked it about seventy percent 1:14:07.200 --> 1:14:08.559 of the time, but it's. 1:14:08.400 --> 1:14:09.120 Still a lot. 1:14:10.200 --> 1:14:12.479 Both of them a lot of the time are just 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:15.840 like doing this, like repeating the same like two finger 1:14:15.880 --> 1:14:18.160 gesture whatever, over and over at a camera to get 1:14:18.200 --> 1:14:20.760 it to move. And when it because periodically for like 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:23.799 forty seconds, it would do like five or six gestures 1:14:23.800 --> 1:14:24.759 in a row would move. 1:14:24.640 --> 1:14:26.400 And I was like, oh, that's kind of neat. Yeah, 1:14:26.439 --> 1:14:27.800 if it worked, it would be great. 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:32.240 Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's just one of these. It's 1:14:32.280 --> 1:14:34.880 another like AI product, well for one thing. 1:14:34.840 --> 1:14:37.720 That's not AI. I'm sorry, guys, like we're using that 1:14:37.840 --> 1:14:40.000 for every It's the same thing. Like they had that 1:14:40.120 --> 1:14:43.400 company that Apple bowl, like in twenty eleven that was 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:44.960 like they had a ca it was like a ball 1:14:45.000 --> 1:14:46.479 that it was like a wee baw. You're attached to 1:14:46.520 --> 1:14:48.720 a monitor and you could like do gestures and that 1:14:48.720 --> 1:14:50.920 badly fucking worked. Hell yeah no. 1:14:51.920 --> 1:14:56.479 Lenovo actually had a tilting a swiveling screen, yeah, laptop 1:14:56.479 --> 1:14:58.720 and then follows your head when you're on. 1:14:58.760 --> 1:14:59.240 Did it work? 1:14:59.439 --> 1:14:59.599 Yeah? 1:14:59.600 --> 1:15:03.400 It worked at these people. So are you oh say 1:15:03.400 --> 1:15:03.760 we had that? 1:15:04.200 --> 1:15:06.280 Didn't Xbox have that technology like ten years ago? 1:15:06.360 --> 1:15:08.960 Well connects, but it couldn't see black people. So that 1:15:09.080 --> 1:15:12.559 was like it's like it's like a better keeps happening too, 1:15:12.800 --> 1:15:14.960 It's not the first, no one will be the last time. 1:15:15.040 --> 1:15:16.479 The law doesn't seem to do that either. 1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:21.280 Well sometimes yeah, but yeah, I mean, and that that 1:15:21.479 --> 1:15:24.320 the whole frustration of like things labeled it, because there's 1:15:24.560 --> 1:15:27.120 there's a mix of like shit labeled as AI that 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:31.080 under no circumstance does anyone really reasonable consider like a 1:15:31.200 --> 1:15:34.360 robot that responds to a gesture by moving a screen 1:15:34.560 --> 1:15:36.440 and that's all it does is not an intelligence? 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:38.600 Also, just do you have fucking hands? And have you 1:15:38.640 --> 1:15:40.360 met people with all the hands. 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:42.240 Like we've been and we've been doing that for forever. 1:15:42.520 --> 1:15:45.360 Like machines that you can like do something into a 1:15:45.400 --> 1:15:48.080 camera and it recognizes a simple a vision. 1:15:48.160 --> 1:15:51.200 It's just basic like you get not on device now. 1:15:51.280 --> 1:15:54.320 And likewise, like I keep seeing like I like this AI, 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:55.880 this meeting note taker. 1:15:56.280 --> 1:15:57.880 I don't is it AI? 1:15:58.479 --> 1:16:01.840 I guess it's more AI to recognize and like transcribe 1:16:01.840 --> 1:16:04.920 a conversation. But the appeal is not that it's a 1:16:04.960 --> 1:16:07.559 thing that you can communicate with. The appeal is that 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:08.599 it can do a task. 1:16:09.120 --> 1:16:09.439 Right. 1:16:09.680 --> 1:16:12.519 It's this there's a bunch of different AI pins and 1:16:12.560 --> 1:16:16.960 AI glasses and the ones I hated all had chat 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:20.360 integration into it to where you can communicate with it, 1:16:20.400 --> 1:16:22.320 and the ones that were cool were like, yeah, it's 1:16:22.320 --> 1:16:25.120 a pen that can listen to a conversation and transcribe 1:16:25.160 --> 1:16:26.880 it for you, right right, And it's like, well, yeah, 1:16:26.920 --> 1:16:28.559 that's that might be useful. 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:32.400 You know. It's just like it all gets back to 1:16:32.439 --> 1:16:34.360 the classic thing of like, yeah, I want this to 1:16:34.400 --> 1:16:36.880 do a task and they're like, oh no, no, sorry, 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:39.680 AI doesn't do that. Yeah, like it's not able to 1:16:39.720 --> 1:16:43.320 do that. And it's I feel like this is just 1:16:43.400 --> 1:16:45.960 the logical end point of where this is. CS has 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:49.120 been going for ten years, which is slowly distancing itself 1:16:49.120 --> 1:16:52.479 from reality. Yeah, and promise to just this point when 1:16:52.600 --> 1:16:54.880 ninety seven percent of the stuff is just like if 1:16:54.920 --> 1:16:56.960 it works, wouldn't it be kind of useful? 1:16:57.000 --> 1:16:58.720 Sort of Well, it's like you know, I was talking 1:16:58.760 --> 1:17:02.720 about like AI slop products earlier, you know, and it's 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:05.040 the kind of thing where like okay, uh, you can 1:17:05.160 --> 1:17:07.320 talk to your router and the router will tell you 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:09.759 what's wrong whatever. But it's like you could just design 1:17:09.840 --> 1:17:12.120 a UI that just like told you that, that just 1:17:12.160 --> 1:17:14.519 gave you that information in a visually appealing way. 1:17:15.120 --> 1:17:17.680 Work. People don't look as a print journalist. 1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:21.240 Like people don't want to read a block of text unfortunately, 1:17:21.320 --> 1:17:24.360 they just want visual. And yet we're reverting into this 1:17:24.439 --> 1:17:27.960 thing where like the technology communicates with you via a 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:30.400 block of text that was generated by Yeah. 1:17:30.400 --> 1:17:32.200 I also love that with routes as well, because I 1:17:32.200 --> 1:17:34.599 think for like every CEES I've ever been to, there 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:36.639 was a router company that said, yeah, we'll just fix 1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:39.640 your network problems. Right, everyone's lying, every single one of 1:17:39.640 --> 1:17:42.320 them's lying. It's wrong every time. It's never worked, tp 1:17:42.439 --> 1:17:45.320 link deco, fuck you, tp Link, I'm sorry that shit 1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:48.960 don't work. Busted and fuck that. Hundreds of dollars wasted. 1:17:50.000 --> 1:17:54.200 Yeah, and it's the most I've the most product category 1:17:54.320 --> 1:17:58.080 type I have seen at CEES is some form of 1:17:58.200 --> 1:18:02.440 digital assistant and or a new chat bot or like companion. 1:18:02.720 --> 1:18:05.160 Right right, Like there's a huge booth for a company 1:18:05.200 --> 1:18:08.760 called to Ya t u Ya that was like they've 1:18:08.760 --> 1:18:13.320 got this holistic it does everything digital companion. You can 1:18:13.479 --> 1:18:15.639 like there's a health version of it, so you can 1:18:15.720 --> 1:18:18.559 like feed this thing your health data, Like you can 1:18:18.600 --> 1:18:21.680 give it access to your wearables, and it'll not just 1:18:21.800 --> 1:18:24.080 like tell you what's my heart rate? Add how much 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:26.599 you know, many calories did I burn? But it'll tell 1:18:26.640 --> 1:18:30.040 you like it'll like make workout plans for you and 1:18:30.120 --> 1:18:34.320 like recommend diets and stuff for you, which, like, I 1:18:34.320 --> 1:18:36.439 guess I'm sure there are people who want that. 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:36.720 I have. 1:18:36.760 --> 1:18:38.800 The concern I always have was like with like, okay, 1:18:38.840 --> 1:18:41.479 so you're feeding all of your biometric data into this 1:18:41.560 --> 1:18:44.080 machine that you're feeding all of your communications to. It 1:18:44.080 --> 1:18:46.599 has access to your email, it has access to your notes, 1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:50.080 it's you've got a wearable device and it's listening to you. 1:18:50.120 --> 1:18:54.880 There's a mobile version running through your house. How secure 1:18:54.960 --> 1:18:55.320 are you? 1:18:55.400 --> 1:18:59.160 How? How how much do you trust this company's data safety? Yes, 1:18:59.320 --> 1:19:02.080 data retention, considering big companies have breaches all the time. 1:19:02.200 --> 1:19:04.879 I will also have if you get the wrong workoup 1:19:04.920 --> 1:19:08.000 and you can actually really hurt yourself. Honestly, this is 1:19:08.000 --> 1:19:10.920 someone who's done it to myself. It's just like that 1:19:10.960 --> 1:19:14.439 feels I feel people are very cavalier about that as well, 1:19:14.640 --> 1:19:16.200 where it's just like Oh yeah, I'll just take the 1:19:16.200 --> 1:19:18.240 workout from the air and you fuck your leg up, 1:19:18.280 --> 1:19:20.360 you fuck your arms up, all the things I've done. 1:19:20.560 --> 1:19:23.880 Yep, And there's a So they have an AI pet 1:19:24.000 --> 1:19:26.160 robot for two you that can live in your house. 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:30.520 It's got It looks like a big white doughnut with wheels. 1:19:30.920 --> 1:19:32.760 And I think the hole in the middle is meant, 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:35.320 at least based on the crudely photo or the crudely 1:19:35.360 --> 1:19:38.599 photoshopped cat sitting in it, to be like your pet 1:19:38.680 --> 1:19:42.400 can sit inside the AI robot companion. 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:45.840 See, it's part of the Wow family. I've always a 1:19:45.880 --> 1:19:49.240 pet for my pet, your cat, And it's telling that 1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:50.880 you get a real cat in that thing. 1:19:51.120 --> 1:19:55.639 They had to photoshop a cat crudely because the cat 1:19:55.760 --> 1:19:57.799 is getting inside a wheeled robot. 1:19:57.880 --> 1:20:01.400 Bobo is killing that shit. Bob is fucking running across 1:20:01.439 --> 1:20:03.840 the house to like, yeah, donkey kick that shit. 1:20:03.880 --> 1:20:05.840 And they describe again it just looks like a doughnut 1:20:05.920 --> 1:20:11.120 with wheels. Galactic design, harmonious coexistence, sleek sci fi aesthetics 1:20:11.160 --> 1:20:12.639 for pets and people. 1:20:19.360 --> 1:20:23.040 Yeah, it's Jesus, It's just why am I going to 1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:25.360 meet somebody who buys one of these? Yeah? I want 1:20:25.400 --> 1:20:27.599 to meet someone, I actually want to study the brain 1:20:27.640 --> 1:20:28.800 of someone who goes that is. 1:20:28.800 --> 1:20:33.240 Like yes, yes, it was a big booth, so clearly 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:38.920 there's money behine hundred thousand. This is uh yeah. I'm 1:20:38.960 --> 1:20:41.360 not sure where the company is based at them. I 1:20:41.560 --> 1:20:43.880 haven't looked into it enough yet. There was a panel 1:20:43.920 --> 1:20:48.240 going on uh two ya x two ya and Google 1:20:48.240 --> 1:20:51.760 Cloud from AI First to AI Everywhere, which was the 1:20:51.800 --> 1:20:53.639 same as half of the other panels I've heard. 1:20:53.680 --> 1:20:55.000 It was just a bunch of platform do you want 1:20:55.000 --> 1:20:55.639 to tie someone? 1:20:56.160 --> 1:21:00.559 Like how the ais ais just getting back? It's coming 1:21:00.600 --> 1:21:03.000 to everything. Don't you love your digital assistant? I don't 1:21:03.000 --> 1:21:04.480 go anywhere without my digitalist? 1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:06.479 You set the last year this is the worst that 1:21:06.600 --> 1:21:08.200 leviby it Actually. 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:11.120 It's at least not any better. And yeah, they've they've 1:21:11.120 --> 1:21:15.040 got the health management thing. It's got a fitness coach, 1:21:15.160 --> 1:21:19.640 it does sleep analysis. And again I just keep thinking like, okay, 1:21:20.000 --> 1:21:22.679 so you're just handing literally your entire life's data. 1:21:22.720 --> 1:21:24.000 And this is the Zone app. 1:21:24.320 --> 1:21:26.360 This is they do the doughnut thing, and they have 1:21:26.439 --> 1:21:29.040 the Companion app that can also one of the things 1:21:29.040 --> 1:21:33.160 they bragged about is that if you just oh, it 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:35.880 can run your smart home, so you can plug your 1:21:35.920 --> 1:21:39.800 security system into this addition to your biometric data. It's 1:21:39.800 --> 1:21:42.639 a security guardian twenty four to seven protection for peace 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:46.719 of mind. And it can run your smart power system, 1:21:46.800 --> 1:21:49.640 it can run your smart home. And it's also just 1:21:49.760 --> 1:21:52.800 a companion. And one of the things they advertise this 1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:55.759 companion can do is if you just tell it a topic, 1:21:55.840 --> 1:21:57.920 it'll automatically generate a podcast for you. 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:01.720 Aren't we all you know? We're as you're now ed. 1:22:02.080 --> 1:22:06.240 It takes a little more skill than that chat chat 1:22:06.280 --> 1:22:07.920 with Hay two. Yeah. By the way, it's Hay two 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:11.599 sounds a lot too much like haka. Yeah. I'm also 1:22:11.720 --> 1:22:14.519 just thinking like everything's like sleep analysis, so as a 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:16.719 chat GPT wrapper you feed the sleep day or into 1:22:16.760 --> 1:22:20.479 health analysis. It's just they released chat GPT for Health 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:23.800 Today AI podcasts Alex said, listen to what you love. 1:22:23.920 --> 1:22:26.960 Alex Heath of Sources says that churt GPT health is 1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:29.639 going to be big. I think that that's irresponsible, yeah 1:22:29.640 --> 1:22:34.400 and also bullshit, like a massive numpty would use chat 1:22:34.439 --> 1:22:37.479 GPT health. It's like, what's it going to fuck? And 1:22:37.520 --> 1:22:39.080 it also it's great, it's like use it for this this, 1:22:39.240 --> 1:22:40.479 but it's not for health advice. 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:43.320 Yeah, so why though he said that we can't advertise 1:22:43.360 --> 1:22:45.280 that right now Jesus the liability, But. 1:22:45.320 --> 1:22:48.040 Also, what the fuck is it for? Then it's for 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:50.679 giving you health advice? Yeah, it's like it's for health. 1:22:50.960 --> 1:22:52.839 Here's the other thing that like health stores. 1:22:52.880 --> 1:22:55.360 If we buy and this is an if, but like 1:22:55.400 --> 1:23:00.120 if we buy the idea that generative AI agents like 1:23:00.160 --> 1:23:03.840 chattybut Gemini whatever are like the operating systems of the future, 1:23:03.840 --> 1:23:06.000 which I of course do, yeah, and I know you 1:23:06.040 --> 1:23:09.680 believe that, but like you now you have all these 1:23:09.680 --> 1:23:13.000 other products like that, which is like its own AI 1:23:13.320 --> 1:23:16.439 kind of agent and so and there's like a million 1:23:16.439 --> 1:23:18.160 of them on the show floor, So like are you 1:23:18.280 --> 1:23:22.120 gonna have that? And then another device that has its 1:23:22.120 --> 1:23:24.679 own ANI thing and another device as Zoni I think, and. 1:23:24.960 --> 1:23:27.880 You really would rather just use chatchybut or whatever. That's 1:23:27.920 --> 1:23:30.080 the thing. It's like, what happens to all these companies 1:23:30.120 --> 1:23:34.240 when open ai copies all of them? Yeah? Or dies? 1:23:35.040 --> 1:23:39.600 What if open ai raises their prices? Do the margins 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:40.320 make sense? 1:23:40.360 --> 1:23:43.439 And these products are literally just a thing that like 1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:46.320 that a computer that we slapped into a ring or 1:23:46.360 --> 1:23:49.519 something and gave it wireless at like gave it like 1:23:49.680 --> 1:23:52.720 access to to chatchipt, right, that's all it is. 1:23:53.040 --> 1:23:55.080 What if you can't afford that anymore? Yeah, what if 1:23:55.080 --> 1:23:58.519 they raise the prices by ten percent? Because that doesn't 1:23:58.560 --> 1:24:01.280 sound like much if you're like paying twenty bucks a month, 1:24:01.400 --> 1:24:03.920 but if you're doing I don't know, thousands of dollars 1:24:04.040 --> 1:24:07.360 tens hundreds of Yeah, wipe them out immediately if your 1:24:07.400 --> 1:24:11.679 margins are ten percent, and like most of your business 1:24:11.760 --> 1:24:15.000 is spent on chat GPT, It's just it's inevitable, but 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:16.520 also so easily clonable. 1:24:17.080 --> 1:24:21.120 I am I'm looking forward to the chat GPT. Furry astrologer. 1:24:21.520 --> 1:24:25.920 Sure now that that's responsible use, that's AI of AI, 1:24:26.160 --> 1:24:28.720 and that that really seems like ethical AI to me. 1:24:30.200 --> 1:24:31.240 Yeah, they're worrying. 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:33.679 There was a good one on mental health and AI 1:24:34.040 --> 1:24:36.840 that was by a the Yeah, I mean it wasn't 1:24:36.880 --> 1:24:39.120 so much a panel as like a speech by like 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:42.200 a clinical therapist. Okay who I've got this written down 1:24:42.200 --> 1:24:43.800 of my notes. I'm spacing on her name right now. 1:24:44.960 --> 1:24:48.800 But she was taking very much the the reasonable tact 1:24:48.800 --> 1:24:52.120 of like, Okay, what has already happened is that a 1:24:52.280 --> 1:24:57.439 shitload of people are using chatbots as therapists. That is happening. 1:24:57.439 --> 1:24:59.639 That is a thing that is going on. There are 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:03.519 harms we are starting to document and we will continue to 1:25:03.560 --> 1:25:07.000 document with that, but it's a thing that's happening. What 1:25:07.200 --> 1:25:11.120 would a healthy like like. And the other thing she 1:25:11.160 --> 1:25:13.080 was saying that I don't fully agree with, but I 1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:17.160 think it's an arguable point is the because lack of 1:25:17.240 --> 1:25:21.919 access to mental health resources is such an endemic problem 1:25:22.280 --> 1:25:25.639 in the United States and the world, there is an 1:25:25.680 --> 1:25:30.320 opportunity if you can make ethically a clinical like a 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:33.320 like an AI therapist, right or something that can do 1:25:33.400 --> 1:25:36.559 counseling or whatnot to reach people who could another way. 1:25:36.600 --> 1:25:39.439 Now I don't agree with that, but I it's a 1:25:39.520 --> 1:25:42.000 for the purpose of a like listening to the speech, 1:25:42.000 --> 1:25:45.160 I can I can follow with like, Okay, how would 1:25:45.200 --> 1:25:46.840 you I want to hear your pitch on like what 1:25:46.960 --> 1:25:49.840 an ethical version of this would be. And what I 1:25:49.880 --> 1:25:52.439 appreciated is that she doesn't really didn't really come to 1:25:52.479 --> 1:25:54.400 a conclusion, like she was like, these are the things 1:25:54.439 --> 1:25:56.960 you would need to do. I don't know if it 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:58.599 can be done. That was kind of the three one 1:25:58.720 --> 1:26:00.639 is like I'm not sure that this is a here's 1:26:00.640 --> 1:26:02.760 what it would need to be if it was if 1:26:02.760 --> 1:26:04.400 you were going to try to do this, Here's what 1:26:04.439 --> 1:26:07.040 you couldn't have it doing. Here's the things you'd have 1:26:07.080 --> 1:26:09.000 to keep in mind. And like, one of the things 1:26:09.000 --> 1:26:11.080 she brought up, which I think is why this is 1:26:11.080 --> 1:26:14.519 a fundamentally impossible thing, is she said, Okay, one of 1:26:14.520 --> 1:26:19.000 the major problems with chatbots, especially because people using THEMS therapists, 1:26:19.000 --> 1:26:20.720 is that they are designed to keep you on and 1:26:20.760 --> 1:26:23.000 to keep you using it, and they like, well, we'll 1:26:23.040 --> 1:26:26.280 gas you up, they'll they'll lie, they'll say whatever to 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:30.280 keep you using them, and that's bad for like therapy. R. 1:26:30.320 --> 1:26:31.880 Yeah, you need pushback, right, you. 1:26:31.840 --> 1:26:35.679 Need pushback, You need critical analysis of what you're doing. 1:26:35.720 --> 1:26:38.720 Sometimes you don't need a machine that is trying to 1:26:38.840 --> 1:26:41.400 keep you happy so that you continue to use it. 1:26:41.439 --> 1:26:45.640 That's not therapy. And she was like, so any responsible 1:26:45.880 --> 1:26:48.519 version of this technology turned towards therapy would have to 1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:51.400 not do that. And so I came up to her 1:26:51.439 --> 1:26:53.680 afterwards and I was like, well, the problem to me 1:26:53.760 --> 1:26:57.120 then is people will always have access to the robots 1:26:57.160 --> 1:27:01.000 that are really dangerous and terrible therapists that make them 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:03.519 feel good and want to talk to them, why would 1:27:03.560 --> 1:27:07.000 anyone use and pay money for a presumably more expensive 1:27:07.040 --> 1:27:11.200 therapeutic bot that doesn't make them feel good? And she 1:27:11.320 --> 1:27:13.040 was like, well, yeah, I think that's probably like an 1:27:13.040 --> 1:27:16.080 insurmountable problem. Basically, like that was the That wasn't her word, 1:27:16.120 --> 1:27:18.200 but her words were essentially like, yeah, I'm I have 1:27:18.240 --> 1:27:20.439 the same concern, and I'm not sure it's possible to 1:27:20.520 --> 1:27:20.840 do this. 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:23.919 So what frustrates me She's right, sure, but what frustrates 1:27:23.960 --> 1:27:26.599 me about that is like I'm tired of people saying 1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:28.760 if it did this, it would be great. If it's 1:27:28.840 --> 1:27:31.879 just not possible, if it's just like most of ces 1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:33.840 this year is like if it worked, it would be good. 1:27:34.080 --> 1:27:37.640 Hers was more people are using chatbots for therapy? Is it? 1:27:37.720 --> 1:27:39.840 What would you need to see for this to not 1:27:39.960 --> 1:27:42.840 be Irrespecti's and I use, I think that's reasonable. I 1:27:43.000 --> 1:27:47.000 just I think it's just people. What She's right, it's 1:27:47.040 --> 1:27:48.559 a good thing that it's like, is that a good thing? 1:27:48.680 --> 1:27:51.800 People will conflate you can't do it, probably yeah, And 1:27:51.880 --> 1:27:54.400 it's also people will conflate that by saying and if 1:27:54.400 --> 1:27:59.040 we just buy more GPUs then therapy bot will exist. 1:27:59.360 --> 1:28:02.080 And it's also just people misunderstand what therapy is. It's 1:28:02.240 --> 1:28:05.439 it's really Yeah, it's good that someone said what would 1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:09.559 be required, but the moment you think about what be required, yeah, 1:28:09.560 --> 1:28:12.000 realize it's the same. 1:28:12.160 --> 1:28:14.800 Last year, we talked to a guy who made an 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:18.400 AI enabled device that was like four as a companion 1:28:18.479 --> 1:28:23.240 for old people. Primarily, it's like this like head shaped 1:28:23.360 --> 1:28:26.880 kind of robot but didn't have like a face, that 1:28:27.120 --> 1:28:29.679 had cameras on it and could like move a little 1:28:29.720 --> 1:28:31.800 bit and engage with you that you would like keep 1:28:31.800 --> 1:28:34.080 in a kitchen or something like an appliance, and you 1:28:34.120 --> 1:28:36.080 could use basic stuff with it. It'll tell you like 1:28:36.479 --> 1:28:39.639 the weather outside, it can look up stuff for you, and. 1:28:39.520 --> 1:28:42.200 It'll also basically like a lepsa, but it also. 1:28:42.040 --> 1:28:45.680 It's programmed to engage you and kind ask you to like, hey, 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:47.760 do you want to record a story for your grandkids? 1:28:47.760 --> 1:28:50.800 Like you can build an archive? Hey, uh, you have 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:53.840 these friends who also have this device, why don't I 1:28:53.880 --> 1:28:56.720 call one of them, like I just to try and 1:28:56.800 --> 1:28:58.720 keep them active, to try to keep them engaged with 1:28:58.760 --> 1:29:02.519 their family, to make sure and talking to the inventor 1:29:02.560 --> 1:29:06.840 of it, he was incredibly concerned both about privacy but 1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:09.360 also about this is a medical device, and this is 1:29:09.360 --> 1:29:13.080 a device that would give people better access to their doctors, 1:29:13.400 --> 1:29:15.559 better access to their families, give their families a better 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:18.040 idea of what's going on with them. And so I 1:29:18.040 --> 1:29:19.680 don't think it's going to work as a product. I'm 1:29:19.680 --> 1:29:21.840 sure the company has already failed to be entirely honest, 1:29:21.840 --> 1:29:23.479 because I don't think anyone's going to buy this thing. 1:29:24.080 --> 1:29:27.120 But I appreciate, like, Okay, you can't you You you 1:29:27.200 --> 1:29:29.320 had a good impulse coming in here. 1:29:29.360 --> 1:29:30.880 This is not a cash grab for you. 1:29:30.880 --> 1:29:34.800 You were attempting to make something that would solve a problem. 1:29:34.439 --> 1:29:36.680 And be a good business as a result of that. 1:29:36.960 --> 1:29:40.400 Right, And this year I came across a company that 1:29:40.520 --> 1:29:43.520 this is the company I showed you the horror Zeroth 1:29:43.720 --> 1:29:47.639 that had the They have the Wally Robot. They say 1:29:47.640 --> 1:29:49.840 they're working with Disney to do a licensed version of 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:52.839 But they have these tiny robots that look like rock'm 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:56.120 sockam robots that are like companions for the elderly, even 1:29:56.120 --> 1:29:58.000 though they look like a Toya kid would have played. 1:29:58.040 --> 1:30:01.240 Was this nice or something like that? No, No, it's. 1:30:01.000 --> 1:30:03.920 Zero with this company, But it can like walk away. 1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:06.600 I can hobble around and the thing is. When I asked, like, 1:30:06.640 --> 1:30:09.160 what does it do, she said, well, it'll tell your face. 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:13.080 It'll tell like an elderly person's family member if they're 1:30:13.120 --> 1:30:15.280 not doing well, if they like seem to be less 1:30:15.280 --> 1:30:19.000 social or like stressed or anxious. And I was like, well, 1:30:19.080 --> 1:30:21.479 based on what and he said, well, if you look, 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:23.840 you can see, like we've got this, you can see 1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:26.559 like how the machine sees through the cameras and it 1:30:26.600 --> 1:30:28.880 looks like the terminator, and it'll zero in on faces 1:30:28.880 --> 1:30:31.080 and it'll notice like micro expressions that show you that 1:30:31.120 --> 1:30:33.920 somebody's like hiding stand And I'm like, you're number one, 1:30:34.240 --> 1:30:35.080 you don't know any of this. 1:30:35.479 --> 1:30:36.840 Yeah, you're making this so too. 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:39.360 Telling me that your like elder care device looks at 1:30:39.360 --> 1:30:41.200 people the way the terminator. 1:30:40.680 --> 1:30:43.360 Does, you a lot of confidence. 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:47.040 And just the difference in like this man who this 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:50.120 is a very personal invention to him, and he at 1:30:50.160 --> 1:30:52.639 every step was thinking about what will actually be best 1:30:52.640 --> 1:30:54.840 to the people I want to help, versus this marketer 1:30:54.920 --> 1:30:56.840 being like, yeah, it's like a fucking terminator. I'll tell 1:30:56.880 --> 1:31:00.720 you if your grandma's dying, fucking room to do with that. 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:04.240 And it's tiny, it's like eighteen inches tall, Grandma's gonna 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:06.439 have this walking around, it's because she's gonna trip on it. 1:31:06.560 --> 1:31:08.680 Yeah, like what the fuck? Like the classic thing that 1:31:08.760 --> 1:31:10.760 old people do is trip on stuff, and it's like, 1:31:10.960 --> 1:31:11.760 we need another one. 1:31:11.800 --> 1:31:14.320 But grandma needs is a tiny robot that looks like 1:31:14.400 --> 1:31:18.320 a toy that her forty year old grandson now would 1:31:18.360 --> 1:31:20.559 have played with as a kid, and like why why 1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:21.559 does she want this in her house? 1:31:21.560 --> 1:31:24.320 You get it between like t Moon notifications and Instagram 1:31:24.360 --> 1:31:29.120 notification Grandma dead, Grandma dead, grama details later, Grandma dead, 1:31:29.400 --> 1:31:32.320 or like the it's like your cat's pissed, Like you 1:31:32.320 --> 1:31:34.800 get the note he really is notification. If you bought 1:31:34.800 --> 1:31:37.400 even seven of these devices, your entire life is just 1:31:37.439 --> 1:31:38.680 a nightmare. 1:31:38.240 --> 1:31:40.880 Of just like ping cat the rest of your life 1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:42.639 trying to scroll through one day's notice. 1:31:42.560 --> 1:31:45.120 Your I mean, my fucking phone is already like that. 1:31:45.400 --> 1:31:48.559 It's insane. You install a new app that's like, oh, 1:31:48.600 --> 1:31:51.360 it's the it's the Selfridges app, and it's like did 1:31:51.400 --> 1:31:55.120 you know you can buy pants? And it's like I'm familiar, 1:31:55.280 --> 1:31:56.720 Thank you Selfridges. 1:31:56.840 --> 1:31:58.320 But I think it it kind of gets back to 1:31:58.360 --> 1:31:59.920 like you know what I'm saying before about like pebble 1:32:00.040 --> 1:32:02.600 and clicks. It's like, you know, it is so in 1:32:02.680 --> 1:32:06.920 short supply at cees to find like authenticity, somebody who 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:09.800 is like really passionate about like this thing. 1:32:10.920 --> 1:32:13.360 I want to solve a problem. So when you find it, 1:32:13.360 --> 1:32:16.560 it's very exciting, you know. Yeah, like the guy. 1:32:16.360 --> 1:32:19.479 Who made the the the mug that has a fan 1:32:19.600 --> 1:32:22.320 on it for when you're in like you're drinking at 1:32:22.400 --> 1:32:25.479 the stadium or something during like a summer game and 1:32:25.520 --> 1:32:26.320 you want both a. 1:32:26.240 --> 1:32:29.120 Fan and you want your your beer, your gatorade, whatever you. 1:32:29.200 --> 1:32:32.519 Put in there. You know as well, it's stupid. I 1:32:32.560 --> 1:32:36.040 don't want one. It barely counts as consumer electronics. But 1:32:36.120 --> 1:32:38.320 at least a man had a dream, you know. 1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:41.120 So we're going to rotate again and the next ad 1:32:41.240 --> 1:32:43.320 is whatever it is, it's perfect. You have to buy 1:32:43.320 --> 1:32:59.920 it immediately. Diana once again, in front of a micro 1:33:00.000 --> 1:33:03.040 phone in the Palazzo in Las Vegas, Nevada. I'm drinking 1:33:03.040 --> 1:33:05.720 my eleventh diet Coke. I'm surrounded by the warmth and 1:33:05.760 --> 1:33:09.479 love of friendship and camaraderie. Joining me is Chloe Radcliffe, 1:33:09.479 --> 1:33:12.080 the wonderful stand up comedian actress from a is this 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:15.840 thing on who What? Where? It's you who Robert Evans 1:33:15.880 --> 1:33:22.240 of Behind the Bastards. Yes, correct, I'm going. I'm just 1:33:22.880 --> 1:33:25.519 stand up comedian Adam Conover and also the host of 1:33:25.560 --> 1:33:29.040 the Factory podcast. Hello, and of course edyonon Gaiso Junior, 1:33:29.240 --> 1:33:33.080 who writes the Tech Bubble newsletter. Hello, and we're back. 1:33:33.120 --> 1:33:35.960 We're back for the final bit of this of the 1:33:36.080 --> 1:33:39.599 Wednesday's CES episode. I am on. This is what twelve 1:33:39.600 --> 1:33:41.720 and a half hours. It's great. I've got so many more. 1:33:41.760 --> 1:33:43.880 I fucking love doing I'm not even complaining. I love 1:33:43.960 --> 1:33:48.080 doing this. But everyone else, everyone else is tired. And 1:33:48.120 --> 1:33:50.679 I'm so sorry everyone for dragging you into this. But yeah, 1:33:50.840 --> 1:33:56.479 so we've got two people who've never been to CES before. Oh, Chloe, Adam, Yeah, 1:33:56.520 --> 1:33:59.479 how'd you feel? What do you think? Welcome to the jungle. 1:34:00.120 --> 1:34:05.639 I mean, it makes me wanna like go see someone 1:34:05.800 --> 1:34:10.360 play an acoustic guitar with no amplification. 1:34:10.760 --> 1:34:12.000 You know what I mean. 1:34:11.680 --> 1:34:16.880 It makes me want to like walk by a playground, 1:34:17.439 --> 1:34:19.680 like you know, it's recess and the children are just 1:34:19.720 --> 1:34:21.000 sort of like running around. 1:34:21.160 --> 1:34:21.320 Yeah. 1:34:21.320 --> 1:34:23.040 It makes me want to build a fire and dig 1:34:23.080 --> 1:34:26.040 a hole. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:34:26.120 --> 1:34:28.200 It makes me want to like have a basic a 1:34:28.280 --> 1:34:33.160 basic pleasure of life. And I'm having trouble, like, you know, 1:34:33.240 --> 1:34:35.240 putting the two worlds together. 1:34:35.080 --> 1:34:39.479 You know, I mean, like, well, it's just you know, 1:34:39.960 --> 1:34:43.960 like this is it's the center of you know, the 1:34:44.000 --> 1:34:46.320 tech industry in many ways, or at least a certain 1:34:46.360 --> 1:34:46.840 piece of it. 1:34:46.960 --> 1:34:50.840 Right, It's like all sort of coalescing around this, you 1:34:50.880 --> 1:34:51.360 know moment. 1:34:51.400 --> 1:34:53.800 It's like a little black hole like owls of the 1:34:53.840 --> 1:34:57.200 tech end, not ready to like ship all this stuff 1:34:57.200 --> 1:35:00.080 out yet, so we're kind of watching it as it 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:04.640 and it's. 1:35:03.280 --> 1:35:07.480 It's supposedly the most the most important, you know industry 1:35:07.520 --> 1:35:08.040 in America. 1:35:08.200 --> 1:35:10.280 Sets the tone for the year as well, because it's 1:35:10.320 --> 1:35:12.120 in January, drives the economy. 1:35:12.120 --> 1:35:14.360 These are the people who are like creating the future 1:35:14.479 --> 1:35:17.840 and and so much of it could not be more 1:35:17.960 --> 1:35:21.880 distant from most people's lives or horrifying to their lives. 1:35:21.920 --> 1:35:25.599 Yeah, did you say anything new today that horrified you? Yeah? 1:35:25.720 --> 1:35:32.440 There were three different kiosks that we're selling body trackers 1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:35.479 that would track you while you're driving a car. Sorry, 1:35:36.000 --> 1:35:38.680 it's not for you the driver, though, it's for your 1:35:38.680 --> 1:35:41.800 employer to track you while you're driving the car, like 1:35:42.320 --> 1:35:45.839 if you know, to track ups drivers or Uber drivers 1:35:45.880 --> 1:35:48.160 or other people who are drive in a fleet and 1:35:48.720 --> 1:35:51.559 it can you sit there and it has you know, 1:35:51.720 --> 1:35:53.200 it draws a little skeleton over. 1:35:53.040 --> 1:35:55.680 Your body and your face to track you. And then 1:35:55.680 --> 1:35:58.000 it has a little icon, Oh we can tell you're yawning. 1:35:58.760 --> 1:36:00.759 A little voice will say put on your seat belt 1:36:00.840 --> 1:36:05.360 like it's it's it's human monitoring to you know, mechanize people. 1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:08.120 I guess if you're a logistics company that can't afford 1:36:08.160 --> 1:36:10.559 way mos, which are also all over the place, this 1:36:10.720 --> 1:36:13.320 is a way of sort of putting your drivers into 1:36:13.360 --> 1:36:14.559 a little virtual prison. 1:36:15.800 --> 1:36:19.599 Feels so much more invasive than you know, Hey, we 1:36:19.640 --> 1:36:21.439 do have an alarm on the car door, so we 1:36:21.520 --> 1:36:23.679 know every time you get in and out of the vehicle, 1:36:23.720 --> 1:36:25.400 and and we have GBS in the car and we know, 1:36:25.479 --> 1:36:26.400 you know, we know when you're stopped. 1:36:26.600 --> 1:36:28.200 Yeah, we have like a governor so it can't go 1:36:28.240 --> 1:36:31.280 above a certain yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. 1:36:31.320 --> 1:36:33.200 And uh, you know, it was kind of fun to 1:36:33.200 --> 1:36:34.720 play with because they have a camera set up and 1:36:34.720 --> 1:36:36.200 you want to track your body. 1:36:36.200 --> 1:36:37.639 And me and what we're playing with it. 1:36:37.920 --> 1:36:40.000 And then and I was like waving at it, and 1:36:40.040 --> 1:36:41.599 then I kind of pretended I was in a car 1:36:41.640 --> 1:36:45.720 crash and then I kind of like yanked the equipment 1:36:45.720 --> 1:36:47.960 around and it wasn't put and then a German Man 1:36:48.000 --> 1:36:49.639 came over and he was like, you must leave. 1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:53.920 That has been enough fun. You must I was like, 1:36:53.960 --> 1:36:59.800 I'm sorry, yes, you must leave. Yeah. Each time you 1:36:59.800 --> 1:37:02.760 say each time and I'm said I'm sorry. He's like, oh, yes, 1:37:02.840 --> 1:37:03.600 yes you have to go. 1:37:06.720 --> 1:37:06.920 Yeah. 1:37:08.280 --> 1:37:10.320 By the way I was, I was like pretty stoned 1:37:10.360 --> 1:37:12.120 for the entire two hours that we were there. 1:37:12.439 --> 1:37:12.679 Yeah. 1:37:13.000 --> 1:37:16.040 I love getting in trouble at booths. Like my second 1:37:16.160 --> 1:37:17.880 or third sees. I used to have this thing where 1:37:17.880 --> 1:37:19.240 I would go I would seek out all of the 1:37:19.280 --> 1:37:21.960 rugged products because this was right when they were starting 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:24.559 to make a bunch of bluetooth speakers fifteen years ago, 1:37:24.840 --> 1:37:26.960 starting to make a bunch of like blue like power 1:37:27.000 --> 1:37:30.360 banks and stuff. So like rugged electronics was coming into 1:37:30.400 --> 1:37:33.000 like its own as a field, and so I would 1:37:33.000 --> 1:37:36.400 always I would track down like where they had and 1:37:36.439 --> 1:37:38.360 there was there was one year where one of the 1:37:38.360 --> 1:37:40.080 companies selling them had a bunch of like these big 1:37:40.120 --> 1:37:43.280 boxy rugged speakers and like logs that like you could 1:37:43.280 --> 1:37:44.960 sit on or that they were stacking them on. They 1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:47.280 just brought the logs as decorations, right, but they were 1:37:47.320 --> 1:37:50.160 like stump sized logs. And I asked them like, hey, 1:37:50.760 --> 1:37:53.280 so it's like drop resistant, crush proof, and they were 1:37:53.280 --> 1:37:54.560 like walking me through the stats, and I was like, 1:37:54.600 --> 1:37:56.240 can I try just dropping one of these logs on 1:37:56.280 --> 1:37:58.760 top of it? And they were like yeah, And so 1:37:58.840 --> 1:38:02.920 I fucking hit as hard as the son of a 1:38:02.920 --> 1:38:03.920 bitch in half. 1:38:05.520 --> 1:38:09.920 And said you must leave, you must put the log down. 1:38:10.040 --> 1:38:13.479 She apologized to me because she said it. I asked, 1:38:13.600 --> 1:38:16.200 I didn't do I didn't assault the device. 1:38:16.479 --> 1:38:19.240 Well, you assaulted the device, but with expressed. 1:38:19.000 --> 1:38:21.240 With that with consent. But this was also a device 1:38:21.280 --> 1:38:22.280 you are mint to a soul. 1:38:22.439 --> 1:38:25.719 Yes, well that and that's what my very first cees. 1:38:25.880 --> 1:38:29.439 They had an indestructible cell phone, not a smartphone cell phone, 1:38:29.479 --> 1:38:31.519 and they took a bunch of journalists out too. I 1:38:31.560 --> 1:38:33.360 think we were in front of Caesar's. Maybe it was 1:38:33.439 --> 1:38:37.320 the Venetian, but they had like a car that had 1:38:37.360 --> 1:38:40.160 like company branding on it, and they would each journalist 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:41.760 could go and set the phone down and they would 1:38:41.840 --> 1:38:44.519 drive over it with like an suv, right to show 1:38:44.520 --> 1:38:46.400 you how tough it is. And everyone did the exact 1:38:46.439 --> 1:38:49.240 same thing and took a video while it was driving 1:38:49.280 --> 1:38:52.880 over it, and I did the same thing as everyone else. 1:38:52.920 --> 1:38:54.560 I put the phone down flat, they drove over it. 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:56.599 I was like, yep, that's a tough phone. And one 1:38:56.640 --> 1:38:59.720 guy stacked it on its side and they drove over 1:38:59.760 --> 1:39:02.400 it popped it right open because it hit a seam. 1:39:02.640 --> 1:39:06.040 And that is one of the most influential like moments 1:39:06.040 --> 1:39:08.640 in my career as a journalist where it's like, that's 1:39:08.720 --> 1:39:09.479 that's how you do. 1:39:09.800 --> 1:39:12.479 I feel like this is that this is the CS thing. 1:39:12.520 --> 1:39:15.120 It's like, we have got one thing this does and 1:39:15.200 --> 1:39:17.760 most people are not going to ask because this is 1:39:17.760 --> 1:39:19.800 not for people to use, it's for people to sell. 1:39:20.320 --> 1:39:22.360 And it's like, oh yeah, yeah, well what if it 1:39:22.400 --> 1:39:27.840 does this? Wait? What does it work? I feel like 1:39:27.880 --> 1:39:29.680 you were talking about something earlier, Chloe. It was just 1:39:29.720 --> 1:39:32.559 like you asked one question. My brain just seizing up 1:39:32.600 --> 1:39:33.240 in real time. 1:39:33.520 --> 1:39:35.800 Yeah, I'm trying to remember, which I just have so 1:39:35.840 --> 1:39:38.519 many people I've been like what's the point? 1:39:38.600 --> 1:39:40.479 Yeah, that's the question. It's like, what's the point? And 1:39:40.520 --> 1:39:45.160 then like why fuck way, no one's ever asked does Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 1:39:45.280 --> 1:39:48.439 you got anyth dregs left, Chloe things to declare. 1:39:49.200 --> 1:39:51.680 I saw this is not a well I actually don't 1:39:51.680 --> 1:39:53.160 know what product this is associated with. 1:39:53.240 --> 1:39:55.000 It must be a product way for the best. 1:39:55.080 --> 1:39:58.360 But there was a like test how strong your your 1:39:58.439 --> 1:40:03.080 punch is? Oh yeah, they've had section And I stood 1:40:03.080 --> 1:40:06.360 for a couple of minutes and just watched with the 1:40:06.400 --> 1:40:15.880 greatest respect, the dweebiest, loseriest, sweet little dorks, some young, 1:40:16.160 --> 1:40:20.360 many old walk up and just like try and rail 1:40:20.439 --> 1:40:23.840 this thing, and like, you know, everybody punched it, but 1:40:24.000 --> 1:40:28.800 watching watching dudes in just like weirdly fitting suits whose 1:40:28.840 --> 1:40:31.240 faces move a little strange, be like it is my 1:40:31.320 --> 1:40:34.080 turn to punch now. I was like, this is incredible, 1:40:34.120 --> 1:40:36.120 this is beautiful. And I was like, I'm not gonna 1:40:36.160 --> 1:40:37.680 I'm not gonna take a video of this. I'm not 1:40:37.720 --> 1:40:39.840 gonna take it. This is I'm not trying to like, 1:40:40.320 --> 1:40:41.880 I'm not trying to be mean. I'm not trying to 1:40:41.880 --> 1:40:45.519 make this a sideshow, but this is cinema. Yeah. 1:40:45.600 --> 1:40:47.360 I saw also like there was one where you could 1:40:47.400 --> 1:40:50.519 throw footballs at target, and I was just I watched 1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:53.599 this old man just walk up and just fucking lamping 1:40:53.600 --> 1:40:56.000 the footballs and then he just and he's like, wife 1:40:56.080 --> 1:40:59.240 was like like videoing him do it, and they just 1:40:59.320 --> 1:41:02.320 walked off and you could see the people both be like, wait, 1:41:02.479 --> 1:41:04.680 you're not gonna talk to us about the TV and 1:41:04.720 --> 1:41:08.879 they just walked off. That guy fucking rocks. That's beautiful. 1:41:08.920 --> 1:41:10.760 I want to throw the football and I don't want 1:41:10.760 --> 1:41:13.679 to go I'm done here. I don't need to talk 1:41:13.720 --> 1:41:16.280 to you and your like Gooby TV or whatever it was. 1:41:16.320 --> 1:41:18.200 It was like one of the weird off brand television 1:41:18.200 --> 1:41:21.360 companies that spends way too much of this show. Yeah, 1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:25.360 you'll first see us and you'll now really, I feel 1:41:25.400 --> 1:41:27.800 like this is an I don't want to say atypical year, 1:41:28.200 --> 1:41:30.080 but it's one of the Sadden ones, Like I'm having 1:41:30.120 --> 1:41:32.440 a great time new ideas. 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:35.439 One thing I maybe the only thing I liked actually 1:41:35.520 --> 1:41:38.639 was I saw this massive John Deere tractor. 1:41:38.640 --> 1:41:42.200 Didn't know they could be this fucking big, massive two 1:41:42.280 --> 1:41:42.960 story houses. 1:41:43.040 --> 1:41:45.680 Yeah, literally, I climbed stairs to get up there had 1:41:45.720 --> 1:41:50.439 crazy hydraulic if I had a vision of of just 1:41:51.240 --> 1:41:55.639 not doing any of this ship at farming with the with. 1:41:55.520 --> 1:41:58.160 The big as tract really and right by farming. 1:41:57.920 --> 1:42:01.200 Yeah, with the industrial farming from a long line of farmers. 1:42:01.200 --> 1:42:02.840 I feel like that that felt right for a second, 1:42:03.080 --> 1:42:05.000 and then I had intest of thoughts about running over 1:42:05.040 --> 1:42:05.840 all the tech. 1:42:05.920 --> 1:42:07.519 Yeah, and that would be. 1:42:07.600 --> 1:42:11.599 Oh yeah, that I felt more when I climbed up there, 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:14.599 I started, you know, because it's you climb into this 1:42:14.640 --> 1:42:17.599 thing and you're thirty feet above the ground and it's 1:42:17.640 --> 1:42:20.519 like the bridge of like the Starship Enterprise. It's like 1:42:20.560 --> 1:42:23.840 a hydraulic chair and like a giant thing, and you're 1:42:23.840 --> 1:42:25.960 looking at the it's the rest of the show floor 1:42:26.280 --> 1:42:28.519 and you're just like, oh, if I had a missile 1:42:28.600 --> 1:42:30.599 launcher on this, I could blow. 1:42:30.400 --> 1:42:30.840 It all up. 1:42:30.920 --> 1:42:33.479 And the front of it looks like weaponry because it's 1:42:33.520 --> 1:42:37.120 like twenty like imagine a cone the shape of a 1:42:37.120 --> 1:42:39.519 traffic cone, but as tall as a person, right, and 1:42:39.560 --> 1:42:42.760 then on its end like with the sharp part pointed out, 1:42:42.800 --> 1:42:44.160 like twenty of those lined up. 1:42:44.160 --> 1:42:47.160 That's what you're it's right, it is. 1:42:47.200 --> 1:42:50.800 I believe it's picking corn like off the cobs and 1:42:50.840 --> 1:42:54.400 putting it into a giant like dump truck looking thing 1:42:54.520 --> 1:42:57.280 that that that goes along in sync with it, which 1:42:57.320 --> 1:42:59.720 is another part of the gap between the stuff with 1:42:59.760 --> 1:43:01.920 the sh in reality, because it's like this is so 1:43:02.080 --> 1:43:04.799 far from what most people think of it as a farm. 1:43:05.200 --> 1:43:06.200 You know, this looks like. 1:43:06.280 --> 1:43:10.120 But that's how but that's how most farms is. Oh, 1:43:10.160 --> 1:43:12.759 I know, but it's it's just the gap between. 1:43:13.200 --> 1:43:15.800 It looks like if you were playing like a video 1:43:15.960 --> 1:43:20.120 game and you were like terraforming mars like this, this 1:43:20.120 --> 1:43:20.920 thing looks. 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:23.200 Like I just like the idea of a giant tractor 1:43:23.200 --> 1:43:25.679 and just turning the fucking thing on, driving forward until 1:43:25.680 --> 1:43:27.080 I'm out at this convention center. 1:43:27.360 --> 1:43:31.519 Could drive away, just head for the hills, Yeah, just 1:43:31.560 --> 1:43:33.679 to just stop to hit red Rock, go out. 1:43:33.560 --> 1:43:35.559 To Area fifty one, me and the boys. 1:43:35.680 --> 1:43:38.559 Yeah, that's our dear president. 1:43:38.600 --> 1:43:40.680 That's one of his bits, right, Remember when he had 1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:41.320 that truck and. 1:43:41.280 --> 1:43:41.639 He was. 1:43:43.120 --> 1:43:43.840 Just drive away. 1:43:44.000 --> 1:43:46.559 They won't let me, But I could just go off 1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:47.800 into the sunset. 1:43:47.400 --> 1:43:48.320 You could. 1:43:48.400 --> 1:43:50.200 You could do that up the tractor, you know, if 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:51.920 you maybe if you're hot, worried. I don't know if 1:43:51.920 --> 1:43:54.400 it actually has an. 1:43:53.280 --> 1:43:56.920 Imagine you could imagine a tractor that you are describing 1:43:57.080 --> 1:43:59.720 is the size of a spaceship. But if you just 1:43:59.840 --> 1:44:03.320 know exactly where to cut, you can just make red 1:44:03.320 --> 1:44:05.479 wire technically wire and turn this thing on. 1:44:06.280 --> 1:44:11.280 Yes, Massacre mo over Sea the last US track to Massacre. 1:44:11.360 --> 1:44:14.479 Blasting big green tractor out of the speakers there were. 1:44:14.880 --> 1:44:16.720 I do want to say behind us in line for 1:44:16.800 --> 1:44:19.599 the tractor, there was like a bunch of folks from 1:44:19.680 --> 1:44:23.080 Japan and they were like vibrating with excitement to get 1:44:23.080 --> 1:44:25.439 in the tractor. Because I can only imagine just the 1:44:25.520 --> 1:44:29.920 americanness of a John Deere tractor and the size of it. 1:44:29.920 --> 1:44:32.200 It was like they were they like shoved me out 1:44:32.240 --> 1:44:32.880 of the way to get in. 1:44:33.080 --> 1:44:35.320 I'm I will also say this is a unique thing 1:44:35.360 --> 1:44:38.599 that Americans can't understand how small some other countries are. 1:44:38.600 --> 1:44:39.960 Look when I got to American and I saw my 1:44:39.960 --> 1:44:42.639 first cruise ship, I kind of freaked the fuck out. 1:44:43.040 --> 1:44:45.519 I say, it's just so large, so much, it looks 1:44:45.600 --> 1:44:48.800 like the size of London. Upsetting. I still freak out 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:53.560 over them. They're huge and they're terrifying. They look horrifying, 1:44:53.600 --> 1:44:55.360 and like, if I go on this big tractor, I 1:44:55.360 --> 1:44:59.040 would either feel overwhelmed with power or like just like 1:44:59.120 --> 1:45:01.880 I wouldn't want to exist. But I also liked that 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:04.120 they had a big tractor. See if that makes me. 1:45:04.160 --> 1:45:06.760 Yeah, I feel like the big tractor is like the 1:45:06.840 --> 1:45:08.960 ring of power and that Yeah, no matter whether or 1:45:09.000 --> 1:45:11.599 not you like hate it, before you get behind the wheel, 1:45:11.600 --> 1:45:13.960 as soon as you start driving it, it changes you. 1:45:13.960 --> 1:45:15.400 You just hit dragula. 1:45:15.560 --> 1:45:21.240 Yeah, it's like it was pretty clear. It was pretty 1:45:21.240 --> 1:45:23.720 clear you don't even drive this thing you supervised. Yeah, 1:45:24.320 --> 1:45:26.799 Mar this would be my green Goblin mosque. 1:45:26.840 --> 1:45:29.599 You've got mister Wharf behind you on the weapons tail 1:45:30.520 --> 1:45:31.680 rikers outside. 1:45:32.680 --> 1:45:37.760 Alex Heath is hand Sorry, Alex, Sorry, Alex. I don't 1:45:37.800 --> 1:45:39.400 mean I'm not going to run you over the track. 1:45:39.600 --> 1:45:40.320 I do love that. 1:45:40.360 --> 1:45:42.080 Every now and then you'll name jobs when you're like, 1:45:42.120 --> 1:45:44.679 I wish I could do bodily harm just kidding. 1:45:45.040 --> 1:45:47.320 I also would not do bodily harm to Alex Heath. 1:45:47.360 --> 1:45:48.439 I apologize, Alex. 1:45:50.160 --> 1:45:51.880 Not what the poster that you made and put on 1:45:51.880 --> 1:45:54.880 the wall. I wasn't gonna comment on it. 1:45:54.880 --> 1:45:58.559 It's weird, but just the fucking signal chat from lost 1:45:59.080 --> 1:46:01.520 was just like an action of threat against an executive. 1:46:01.560 --> 1:46:03.080 I was like, oh yeah, and it was the second 1:46:03.120 --> 1:46:05.599 I got here as well. He was like, Samuel, when 1:46:05.600 --> 1:46:07.560 we're going to and I'm not going to fucking repeat it. 1:46:08.320 --> 1:46:12.040 Yeah, it's it's not illegal to make actionable threats against people. 1:46:13.760 --> 1:46:16.920 It's not. It depends on what. 1:46:17.000 --> 1:46:22.080 Who you voted for, folks. Yeah, it's These are jokes. 1:46:22.120 --> 1:46:25.200 These are bits bits. We're doing bits. We're having a laugh. 1:46:25.280 --> 1:46:29.360 We're having a laugh. It's bans it's we're bantmaxing. 1:46:29.400 --> 1:46:32.240 We're bantering. Yeah, yeah, that's that's how it works. So Adam, 1:46:32.280 --> 1:46:34.400 this is your last day though. Did you see anything 1:46:34.680 --> 1:46:37.439 you liked it? So you're on it of all? Yeah? No, no, 1:46:37.479 --> 1:46:40.679 I know. I was vaping. I have a dry herb vape, 1:46:40.680 --> 1:46:42.800 which is the best way to consume week Hi. I 1:46:42.880 --> 1:46:44.519 actually am curious what does that mean? 1:46:44.600 --> 1:46:46.640 Okay, so what it means? I love explaining this. What 1:46:46.680 --> 1:46:48.559 it means is you you know, Robert, you know what 1:46:48.600 --> 1:46:50.240 this is. Yeah, it's just like a vape that, yeah, 1:46:50.840 --> 1:46:53.599 you put material in it. Most vapes that people think 1:46:53.600 --> 1:46:56.559 of our oil that have like chemically extracted the THHC 1:46:56.600 --> 1:46:57.960 and suspended it in like an. 1:46:58.280 --> 1:47:00.240 All of the vapes used to work a volcano and 1:47:00.280 --> 1:47:01.160 stuff when we were kidding. 1:47:02.720 --> 1:47:05.599 This is you put plant material in it. It heats 1:47:05.600 --> 1:47:07.759 it to a precise temperature where it does not burn. 1:47:07.920 --> 1:47:11.360 It just vaporizes the THHC and other oils oils, and 1:47:11.360 --> 1:47:13.200 one of the great things about it is it makes 1:47:13.360 --> 1:47:15.920 almost no vapor. So you I use this thing at 1:47:15.920 --> 1:47:19.519 the fucking airport, Like nobody noticed. You know, no one's 1:47:19.560 --> 1:47:20.920 looking at you. No one is going to know as 1:47:20.920 --> 1:47:22.840 you're using this thing. So it is great for this 1:47:22.920 --> 1:47:24.200 kind of environment, but it. 1:47:24.160 --> 1:47:29.639 Doesn't taste like strawberry melon. I guess weed babes maybe 1:47:29.680 --> 1:47:32.559 never do wow. Spoken like a person who really knows 1:47:32.600 --> 1:47:33.320 her drugs. 1:47:34.240 --> 1:47:37.760 Uh, I did see something that I really did pop for, 1:47:37.920 --> 1:47:42.400 which was and Ed was there too, the uh uh 1:47:42.520 --> 1:47:45.880 it was ah okay. So imagine like a white van, 1:47:46.240 --> 1:47:48.960 like a normal van, and on top of it are 1:47:49.040 --> 1:47:50.960 sort of a couple of blue tubes that go up 1:47:51.000 --> 1:47:53.400 and down and rotate, kind of like a like if 1:47:53.439 --> 1:47:56.479 you built like a lego version of an anti aircraft 1:47:56.840 --> 1:47:59.679 that looks like that looks like a home anti aircraft weapon, 1:48:00.200 --> 1:48:02.080 And it turns out that's what it was because it 1:48:02.120 --> 1:48:03.280 shoots a net at. 1:48:03.240 --> 1:48:08.200 Drones using not gunpowder. It's just some kind of electromagnet. 1:48:08.400 --> 1:48:11.160 So it's like a like almost a rail gun type. 1:48:11.200 --> 1:48:13.080 I asked the guy was this a rail gun, and 1:48:13.120 --> 1:48:13.559 he was like. 1:48:14.280 --> 1:48:15.040 What's a rail gun? 1:48:16.200 --> 1:48:19.639 Magnets to propel around? Nothing trail gun with you. 1:48:19.720 --> 1:48:22.800 Sorry, it's like a it's like a yeah, like a 1:48:22.840 --> 1:48:23.599 sci fi torp. 1:48:23.960 --> 1:48:24.720 Can we cut that out of. 1:48:26.680 --> 1:48:28.960 But yeah, so it shoots a it shoots a net 1:48:29.000 --> 1:48:31.680 at the drone and then it catches the drone and 1:48:31.720 --> 1:48:34.040 then there's a little parachute so the drone like falls 1:48:34.080 --> 1:48:36.160 down to Earth so you can it was like super 1:48:36.200 --> 1:48:38.240 fucking just like Metal Gear Solid five. 1:48:38.400 --> 1:48:41.439 Yeah, it's just because it's like he was like, there's 1:48:41.479 --> 1:48:44.439 a legal gray area where it's like, you know, you 1:48:44.479 --> 1:48:46.800 see a drone that you don't know and you're like, 1:48:46.800 --> 1:48:47.519 whose drone is this? 1:48:47.560 --> 1:48:49.800 And you want to shoot it, but you can't. You know, 1:48:50.000 --> 1:48:50.840 you might get in trouble. 1:48:52.680 --> 1:48:55.479 So he says, so you're not destroying it, you can 1:48:55.640 --> 1:48:57.919 just you can give it back to the owner after. 1:48:57.760 --> 1:49:00.600 You retrieve it. That shit on the back of my 1:49:00.720 --> 1:49:05.160 truck like a technical and in the park, just driving 1:49:05.560 --> 1:49:07.360 you pick up truck with a bunch of drones in 1:49:07.400 --> 1:49:07.720 the back. 1:49:08.280 --> 1:49:10.000 I mean, what we think mad Max is going to 1:49:10.040 --> 1:49:12.680 look like is like old gas trucks. It's actually going 1:49:12.720 --> 1:49:15.360 to just be semi trucks with drone trophies. 1:49:16.600 --> 1:49:19.880 Because the drones are going to have countermeasures. Eventually, they're 1:49:19.920 --> 1:49:22.000 going to all they are chaff or they're going. 1:49:21.920 --> 1:49:24.240 To dodge, you know, they've already I mean that's yeah, 1:49:24.280 --> 1:49:26.000 that is the nature of drug Like that's what we're 1:49:26.040 --> 1:49:28.519 seeing in Ukraine right now, which is like it's it's this, 1:49:28.680 --> 1:49:30.920 it's gotten to this insane escalation of countermeasure where if 1:49:30.960 --> 1:49:33.719 you go to a lot of frontline villages, they're covered 1:49:33.920 --> 1:49:36.680 in miles of fiber optic cable. It looks like the 1:49:36.720 --> 1:49:40.160 whole dilage is covered in spiderweb. Question, because you almost 1:49:40.200 --> 1:49:42.799 have to have all of the drones be wired because 1:49:43.200 --> 1:49:46.240 jamming is so prevalent, right, so if that you can't 1:49:46.400 --> 1:49:48.600 jam jam one that's got like a wire on it. 1:49:48.640 --> 1:49:51.080 So they're basically taking off with these long spools and 1:49:51.120 --> 1:49:54.559 flying around and it leaves because they're getting shot down constantly. 1:49:54.640 --> 1:49:57.240 Drones don't have a long life span in the field, 1:49:57.640 --> 1:49:59.559 so you just wind up with these villages that are 1:49:59.600 --> 1:50:03.840 it looks like a giant spider full of cables webbed. 1:50:04.560 --> 1:50:07.040 That like hangs on the tree, have no idea about. 1:50:07.760 --> 1:50:11.160 Yeah, the drone warfare's nuts. Fuck, I hate it. 1:50:11.479 --> 1:50:13.840 That's the thing that came closest to killing me overseas 1:50:13.880 --> 1:50:17.639 was a fucking drown But yeah, it's it's it's all 1:50:17.680 --> 1:50:21.280 this like Red Queen measure countermeasure ship. Like everyone's been 1:50:21.320 --> 1:50:24.280 sprinting as fast as possible to stay more or less 1:50:24.320 --> 1:50:26.280 in place for the last four years. 1:50:26.439 --> 1:50:28.240 What I liked about this company was I was like, 1:50:28.320 --> 1:50:29.720 is this for the military, And he. 1:50:29.760 --> 1:50:32.360 Was like, I mean, we're pitching the military, but like, 1:50:33.200 --> 1:50:35.400 you know, mate, we talked to him, but like we 1:50:35.520 --> 1:50:38.000 think you could use it, you know, to like guard 1:50:38.040 --> 1:50:41.719 a private you know, like a power plant, or like I. 1:50:41.600 --> 1:50:43.920 Was like, use it at Coachella or whatever. I mean. 1:50:44.000 --> 1:50:44.599 I uh. 1:50:44.680 --> 1:50:46.800 Once there's an episode of Adam Ruins Everything where we 1:50:46.800 --> 1:50:49.080 couldn't shoot for like ninety minutes because some dumb ass 1:50:49.200 --> 1:50:51.280 was flying a drone over the shoot and we could. 1:50:51.360 --> 1:50:53.160 We had to find the guy to stop because it 1:50:53.200 --> 1:50:55.320 was fucking like because he used it. 1:50:55.240 --> 1:50:57.240 That day, ye had to break his legs. I remember 1:50:57.280 --> 1:51:06.400 that episode in That's I love that. I do love Honestly, 1:51:06.400 --> 1:51:08.320 every time I hear about this, I just want to 1:51:08.320 --> 1:51:11.439 play with one. I just want to shoot a guy 1:51:11.640 --> 1:51:14.400 like Duck Hunt, like your guy Jesus Christ. 1:51:14.520 --> 1:51:19.120 Just a guy in the sky. Okay, okay, yeah, see 1:51:19.160 --> 1:51:20.160 a guy. 1:51:21.680 --> 1:51:25.080 Shot down exactly what I mean, exactly that understand what 1:51:25.120 --> 1:51:25.439 I mean. 1:51:27.920 --> 1:51:29.080 Not a guy. 1:51:29.160 --> 1:51:33.600 I'm just looking at in the streets and capture in 1:51:33.640 --> 1:51:34.160 my nets. 1:51:34.160 --> 1:51:37.080 He's got to be high enough that that there van. 1:51:37.439 --> 1:51:38.960 Guns have to be able to aim at them. 1:51:39.200 --> 1:51:41.479 The last time I saw the Blue Angels at fleet 1:51:41.560 --> 1:51:44.240 during Fleet Week in San Francisco, I couldn't stop myself 1:51:44.240 --> 1:51:45.400 from thinking like I could take them. 1:51:46.120 --> 1:51:48.400 I could take them. I feel like I could take 1:51:49.840 --> 1:51:50.479 take him. Went out. 1:51:51.680 --> 1:51:53.960 Well, they're flying real close to each other. I feel 1:51:54.000 --> 1:51:57.320 like it's not hard to fuck that up. Shove just 1:51:57.320 --> 1:52:00.960 a little shop. It's like a because they're in a plane. 1:52:01.040 --> 1:52:02.799 Yeah rock sure, yeah. 1:52:02.840 --> 1:52:06.439 Yeah, wait, no, we do actually want to take them out. 1:52:06.360 --> 1:52:08.960 With Okay, So they're flying pretty low. 1:52:09.080 --> 1:52:11.120 If I ever need to take the Blue Angels, I 1:52:11.200 --> 1:52:11.960 would like these. 1:52:13.320 --> 1:52:15.040 How low? Like are we talking one hundred feet? 1:52:15.080 --> 1:52:16.760 Feel like if you get on top of the Salesforce 1:52:16.840 --> 1:52:19.040 tower when they're doing some of those like really low flights, 1:52:19.320 --> 1:52:21.320 get like a potato gun. You could get one of 1:52:21.320 --> 1:52:24.080 those lodge right into one of the area intake things. 1:52:24.080 --> 1:52:27.160 Oh sure, and they're probably like they're they're going so fast. 1:52:27.200 --> 1:52:29.920 I feel like any little mistake would be catastrophic. 1:52:30.080 --> 1:52:34.920 Yeah he is, And don't get up the Harlem Globe drivers, Okay, 1:52:36.160 --> 1:52:39.200 manhunt look like you know, you're like posted up on 1:52:39.280 --> 1:52:40.439 the Salesforce tower. 1:52:40.840 --> 1:52:46.559 You used a potato gun parody parody he's doing He's 1:52:46.560 --> 1:52:50.960 doing Bess Spence were Bents Spence? Yeah, Fence. But yeah, 1:52:51.360 --> 1:52:54.840 it's so it is quite funny watching people like I'm 1:52:54.840 --> 1:52:57.599 gonna call you to normal. I think that that's fair. 1:52:57.880 --> 1:52:59.960 Yeah, watching a lot of my exes would disagree. 1:53:00.160 --> 1:53:05.040 Yeah, sure, but normal You've seen this show and it's 1:53:05.120 --> 1:53:07.880 funny watching regular people just be like, yeah, so most 1:53:07.880 --> 1:53:11.000 of it's useless, most of it doesn't work, some of it, 1:53:11.120 --> 1:53:12.959 most of it will never exist. 1:53:13.560 --> 1:53:15.559 I mean I asked the question in the last episode 1:53:15.560 --> 1:53:19.280 with none of these guys here, I've basically said, uh, 1:53:19.439 --> 1:53:23.000 what does what is the point of CS? I was like, 1:53:23.000 --> 1:53:25.880 what does anybody walk away from CES with you? 1:53:26.920 --> 1:53:29.720 Yeah? Well I was asking Edward and maybe someone here 1:53:29.800 --> 1:53:32.559 knows the answer. Who's the customer? Like I went to 1:53:32.600 --> 1:53:34.120 toy fair once and at. 1:53:34.000 --> 1:53:38.240 Toy Fair there's there's buyers from retail chains walking around 1:53:38.280 --> 1:53:40.840 going like yes, I'll take ten thousand sticky hands or whatever, 1:53:40.840 --> 1:53:41.559 which makes sense. 1:53:41.640 --> 1:53:45.880 Who here? It's not custom Like, who's there are? 1:53:45.960 --> 1:53:49.160 So there's CS is really a couple of different events, right, 1:53:49.400 --> 1:53:51.840 A huge number of the booths here, particularly when you 1:53:51.840 --> 1:53:53.760 get to the areas where all of the company all 1:53:53.800 --> 1:53:55.840 the booths are small, and all of the companies have 1:53:56.000 --> 1:54:01.240 like different like like Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, or Taiwanese names. 1:54:01.320 --> 1:54:03.040 Right when you get to like that chunk of the 1:54:03.280 --> 1:54:06.320 of the of the show, most of the people who 1:54:06.360 --> 1:54:09.000 are walking around those booths, it's not like journalists because 1:54:09.479 --> 1:54:11.040 in a lot of cases, a bunch of the booths 1:54:11.080 --> 1:54:13.360 have the same products that are just like slightly different, 1:54:13.439 --> 1:54:16.320 like the same battery, but a different case. Because who's 1:54:16.360 --> 1:54:19.360 advertising there are like OEMs, it's like factories and like 1:54:19.479 --> 1:54:23.080 manufacturers of different like things that are advertising we make this, 1:54:23.160 --> 1:54:25.479 we make this, and you can like buy this part 1:54:25.560 --> 1:54:28.599 to make or to sell like as part of other 1:54:28.840 --> 1:54:31.519 tech gear, right, And there are buyers and there are 1:54:31.600 --> 1:54:34.760 representatives of companies that are like looking to contract with 1:54:34.800 --> 1:54:37.240 manufacturers and whatnot who make can. 1:54:37.120 --> 1:54:37.960 Do business here. 1:54:38.000 --> 1:54:40.000 That's like a chunk of the event that we don't 1:54:40.120 --> 1:54:43.520 have really any because that's not journalists aren't interested in that. 1:54:43.680 --> 1:54:47.280 And that's most of that is kind of full of 1:54:47.320 --> 1:54:50.800 these I was mentioning like photonic scent sense and we 1:54:50.840 --> 1:54:51.720 had things. 1:54:51.760 --> 1:54:53.920 Just for like one group I went past like twenty 1:54:53.960 --> 1:54:56.840 booths that we're all just selling different pieces of solar panels. Right, yeah, 1:54:56.840 --> 1:54:59.920 that's not form valid, right, and that's fine and that 1:55:00.080 --> 1:55:02.120 so that's like a big chunk of the event. And 1:55:02.120 --> 1:55:05.400 then another chunk of the event is consumer electronics, which 1:55:05.440 --> 1:55:07.480 is where most of the bullshit is, right because it's 1:55:07.480 --> 1:55:10.520 like eighty percent, well, this, no one will ever buy this, 1:55:10.520 --> 1:55:14.520 this is a terrible idea, and twenty percent ranging from Okay, 1:55:14.560 --> 1:55:16.880 there's probably a customer for this to like, oh, that's 1:55:16.920 --> 1:55:20.840 actually really cool. And then the third chunk of the event, 1:55:20.920 --> 1:55:23.960 which journalists are also involved in, is like this is 1:55:24.000 --> 1:55:26.360 not a product yet, but it will be, or these 1:55:26.400 --> 1:55:29.080 are ways in which we are looking to integrate technology 1:55:29.120 --> 1:55:31.440 into like things that are above the consumer level, like 1:55:31.680 --> 1:55:33.920 all of the smart city stuff, all of like the 1:55:34.280 --> 1:55:37.960 smart vehicle stuff, right where journalists are interested in that, 1:55:38.360 --> 1:55:40.440 consumers are interested in that, but you as a consumer, 1:55:40.440 --> 1:55:43.040 an't going to go buy a smart street light, right Yeah. 1:55:43.800 --> 1:55:45.720 So that so I kind of look at as like 1:55:45.800 --> 1:55:48.320 those are the three events that cees is. 1:55:48.760 --> 1:55:51.120 Okay, that's clarifying, thank you. Yeah. I think like the 1:55:51.160 --> 1:55:54.240 majority of this year just feels like chat GPT wrappers. Yeah. 1:55:54.320 --> 1:55:56.320 Yeah, that's most of what most of what I've seen 1:55:56.320 --> 1:56:00.000 as some form of AI chatbot integration or glasses we'll chat. 1:56:01.200 --> 1:56:05.840 I saw one interesting uh we talked to one vendor 1:56:06.120 --> 1:56:08.760 that was like an AI thing that actually seemed to 1:56:08.840 --> 1:56:12.920 kind of do something okay, which was they, Okay, if 1:56:12.920 --> 1:56:16.680 you have an autonomous driving system and it goes on 1:56:16.720 --> 1:56:20.480 a drive and the drive doesn't go well, this will 1:56:20.760 --> 1:56:24.280 simulate a slight version of the like they can take 1:56:24.280 --> 1:56:27.560 a real drive, turn it into a simulation, and then 1:56:27.680 --> 1:56:29.720 have the agent or whatever it is, the weay mo 1:56:30.160 --> 1:56:34.919 do it again like in its head. 1:56:32.280 --> 1:56:35.320 To like make it do it better the next time. 1:56:35.600 --> 1:56:38.600 I'm like, okay, that that seems like sure a company, 1:56:38.640 --> 1:56:41.000 an AI company that a different one of these companies 1:56:41.040 --> 1:56:42.720 my contracts will date specifically. 1:56:42.760 --> 1:56:44.600 What I like about that is that that's a company. 1:56:44.840 --> 1:56:46.320 I don't know how all this product will work, but 1:56:46.360 --> 1:56:48.360 that's a company that's thinking about solving a problem. 1:56:48.440 --> 1:56:48.640 Yeah. 1:56:48.680 --> 1:56:52.200 I always gravitate towards like someone identified a problem and 1:56:52.240 --> 1:56:53.120 they made a thing. 1:56:53.880 --> 1:56:58.240 Maybe it doesn't work. I suppose the ones just making 1:56:58.320 --> 1:57:01.160 up a problem rather than feling to solve it. You 1:57:01.200 --> 1:57:02.000 know how your. 1:57:01.840 --> 1:57:06.200 Kid doesn't have a robot hallucinating horoscopes for it? Well, 1:57:06.280 --> 1:57:07.240 we have solved that. 1:57:07.600 --> 1:57:10.480 Does your does your does? Where? Does does your kid 1:57:10.600 --> 1:57:15.800 think that Taiwan is Taiwan or China? Right? Well, this, this, 1:57:15.800 --> 1:57:19.440 this toy is going to tell your child that it 1:57:19.520 --> 1:57:23.120 has offended it terribly. Do not mention Winnie the pool 1:57:23.240 --> 1:57:27.200 to ai Bop. You will get fucking drunks, you little 1:57:27.280 --> 1:57:30.560 shit claude. Don't talk about and sweat. 1:57:31.320 --> 1:57:34.000 Is your four year old having too much trouble finding 1:57:34.080 --> 1:57:37.520 which under the sink chemicals are most caustic? This new 1:57:37.600 --> 1:57:40.280 teddy bear will make sure they know and teach them 1:57:40.280 --> 1:57:41.760 how to open all your pill bottles. 1:57:41.800 --> 1:57:45.360 This adorable rabbit will teach your five year old about BDSM. 1:57:45.400 --> 1:57:47.960 And what's funny is we are sounding like we're making jokes. 1:57:48.000 --> 1:57:53.480 No horror, this is a thing happening today. Welcome, Welcome, 1:57:53.640 --> 1:57:55.840 because you may be thinking, well, also, doesn't it do 1:57:55.880 --> 1:57:58.200 all the assistant stuff? And you'll be surprised to hear 1:57:58.320 --> 1:58:01.360 it does not. None of this refuck. I am like 1:58:02.000 --> 1:58:04.520 I would actually love to be elated. I would love 1:58:04.520 --> 1:58:06.480 to see something I'd love to I brought in so 1:58:06.520 --> 1:58:08.920 many people spoken in so many hours, and I'll swear 1:58:08.960 --> 1:58:11.880 to fucking god, I'm trying. There's some like there was. 1:58:12.000 --> 1:58:14.640 Okay, A cool thing I saw today is this company 1:58:14.680 --> 1:58:18.840 that is advertising like paper batteries, right, okay, and the 1:58:18.880 --> 1:58:22.040 actual battery isn't isn't paper, but like the battery like 1:58:22.080 --> 1:58:24.880 the core of the battery is made out of cellulose 1:58:25.720 --> 1:58:28.120 and so the only other and that decomposes. And so 1:58:28.240 --> 1:58:30.840 basically instead of dealing with batteries the way you do 1:58:30.920 --> 1:58:34.080 now with batteries like this, you throw them into compost, 1:58:34.160 --> 1:58:36.400 you compost them, and then you filter the metal bits 1:58:36.400 --> 1:58:38.560 out and you can recycle the metal bit separately, and 1:58:38.600 --> 1:58:40.480 then the compost is usable compost. 1:58:40.640 --> 1:58:42.919 Right, that's useful potentially. 1:58:42.920 --> 1:58:45.600 Again, I have not looked into this company and done 1:58:45.600 --> 1:58:48.440 like third party report also how they are claiming it works. 1:58:48.480 --> 1:58:50.040 I don't know if it works, but it's at least 1:58:50.040 --> 1:58:51.080 an idea and. 1:58:51.880 --> 1:58:54.040 By here filter the metals and like, but you know 1:58:54.120 --> 1:58:55.760 what again, And I'm also like, yeah, who's gonna be 1:58:55.760 --> 1:58:59.840 doing that also? But that has great ramifications for disposable things. 1:59:00.160 --> 1:59:05.280 That's against someone's trying, yes to take humanity a step forward, 1:59:05.520 --> 1:59:06.680 and at least that's. 1:59:06.520 --> 1:59:10.400 Good as opposed to like the eighteenth different VACUUS autonomous 1:59:10.440 --> 1:59:12.920 driving as opposed to what I saw next to that booth, 1:59:13.000 --> 1:59:15.960 yea meat which the company name is just M M 1:59:16.120 --> 1:59:16.720 E E T T. 1:59:16.920 --> 1:59:19.600 Don't know what that means, and it's it's they have 1:59:19.640 --> 1:59:23.440 an AI business card. They actually have two different card products. 1:59:23.480 --> 1:59:25.280 One is it's the size of a business card. If 1:59:25.280 --> 1:59:27.400 a business card was way thicker and couldn actually fit 1:59:27.440 --> 1:59:29.320 in your wallet and would be super easy to break 1:59:29.360 --> 1:59:32.160 even if it wasn't your wallet. But you tap into 1:59:32.200 --> 1:59:34.520 someone's phone and if their phone as an NFT reader 1:59:34.560 --> 1:59:35.000 like or. 1:59:35.200 --> 1:59:39.320 Not n F NFC, Sorry, oh I couldn't. 1:59:39.480 --> 1:59:42.560 If your phone has an NFC reader, it'll pop populate 1:59:42.640 --> 1:59:44.960 automatically with their like business card. 1:59:45.000 --> 1:59:48.440 And one quick problem sure if you bump in phone together, 1:59:48.960 --> 1:59:51.400 it will do this without you having like an easily 1:59:51.400 --> 1:59:52.560 breakable piece of electron. 1:59:52.720 --> 1:59:55.200 Interesting what if I told you would? Also, as long 1:59:55.240 --> 2:00:00.480 as you have an Internet connection, can translate things because 2:00:00.520 --> 2:00:02.640 they can just stick that on whatever. Now I would 2:00:03.000 --> 2:00:07.120 I'm using a shitty speaker, I assume, Oh well, I'm sold. 2:00:07.240 --> 2:00:09.040 I just fucking And. 2:00:09.360 --> 2:00:12.480 The other product they had was a thicker card that 2:00:12.520 --> 2:00:15.280 they bragged with as thin as three millimeters houses for 2:00:15.680 --> 2:00:19.120 AI assistants, all the chat bots, they don't actually live 2:00:19.160 --> 2:00:22.040 in the product. Again, it's connecting. Why do you need internet? 2:00:23.680 --> 2:00:27.640 Really simple? What is for? Is that just different? That's 2:00:27.640 --> 2:00:31.040 just prompt engineering. These motherfuckers are claiming as like eleven AI. 2:00:31.360 --> 2:00:34.120 Ah, no, no, you're you're being unfair. They've got the 2:00:34.200 --> 2:00:38.880 AI meeting assistant turn conversations anywhere into summaries, insights and 2:00:38.960 --> 2:00:40.800 action items to boost productivity. 2:00:42.400 --> 2:00:43.320 They've got an AI. 2:00:43.200 --> 2:00:47.160 Translation assistant break language barriers across one hundred. 2:00:46.880 --> 2:00:50.040 And forty five So there's not four ais. 2:00:49.640 --> 2:00:52.640 No, it's just four different things. Does it's just prompt engineering? 2:00:52.680 --> 2:00:54.880 Because I don't think they were lying to explain. 2:00:54.600 --> 2:00:57.480 Because it's like all using chat gpty so to explain 2:00:57.520 --> 2:00:59.960 to a sales assistant, which is so promptent. 2:01:00.160 --> 2:01:02.560 Ring is literally just every single AI product you have 2:01:02.640 --> 2:01:05.360 ever seen on this floor is just prompts. It's prompts 2:01:05.400 --> 2:01:08.240 for the API and telling it you are a sales assistant, 2:01:08.360 --> 2:01:11.360 you are a meeting assistant. That's all it is. It's 2:01:11.440 --> 2:01:13.880 just text. It's just it's all text. Every single one 2:01:13.920 --> 2:01:17.560 of these is just text. I am Yeah, Well, what 2:01:17.600 --> 2:01:19.320 about the pixels yeah. 2:01:19.560 --> 2:01:26.200 Sometimes it's Yes, it's multimodal an AI inspiration assistant ideas 2:01:26.240 --> 2:01:28.000 and develop them in the future possibility. 2:01:28.000 --> 2:01:30.840 Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait 2:01:30.840 --> 2:01:31.480 wait wait. 2:01:31.600 --> 2:01:32.840 You can use that. You're a writer. 2:01:32.920 --> 2:01:39.760 You can what do you mean capture fleeting ideas? Do 2:01:39.840 --> 2:01:43.560 you mean have an idea? Focus on it in I've 2:01:43.560 --> 2:01:50.240 got to be clear your own brain. Then you can't. 2:01:50.440 --> 2:01:54.920 An AI can't it. If it's fleeting, it leaves your 2:01:54.960 --> 2:01:59.960 brain faster than you can type it into your busines 2:02:00.120 --> 2:02:00.560 his card. 2:02:01.560 --> 2:02:04.200 I'm thinking about, like, because I keep a notebook and 2:02:04.240 --> 2:02:06.880 sometimes I like jot down ideas in it. I'm thinking about, 2:02:06.920 --> 2:02:09.640 like that time I woke up after blacking out and 2:02:09.800 --> 2:02:12.120 just written on a page in the notebook was Hitler 2:02:12.160 --> 2:02:13.440 with abs question mark? 2:02:13.480 --> 2:02:14.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2:02:15.520 --> 2:02:17.280 The AI could have really helped me. That could have 2:02:17.360 --> 2:02:19.600 been something, you know, Hitler with abs could have been 2:02:19.640 --> 2:02:20.280 the next goog. 2:02:20.160 --> 2:02:23.840 Wow, Robert Hitler with abs. Sure is an invigorating and 2:02:24.040 --> 2:02:25.040 original idea. 2:02:25.080 --> 2:02:28.600 We're not just coming up with an idea. You're touching 2:02:28.680 --> 2:02:31.200 into something that everyone else is feeling. 2:02:32.960 --> 2:02:36.320 What if he had abs? Right? So I'm not just 2:02:36.360 --> 2:02:41.280 an idea. It's a revolution. That's another hitler with abs 2:02:41.280 --> 2:02:44.120 that real quick. It's not another one of those tweets 2:02:44.120 --> 2:02:46.640 about AI wrotes, like every AI thing is like, it's 2:02:46.680 --> 2:02:48.080 not just big, it's huge. 2:02:48.280 --> 2:02:50.720 That has literally become to me in the last month 2:02:50.840 --> 2:02:53.880 that has if whenever I see it's not X, it's y, 2:02:54.240 --> 2:02:55.720 I'm like, that's LLLM test. 2:02:56.400 --> 2:02:59.760 So as we wrap up and Adam is finally released 2:02:59.760 --> 2:03:02.160 into the into the wild again, is that I'm just 2:03:02.160 --> 2:03:04.240 going to tell you the worst name I saw on 2:03:04.280 --> 2:03:06.560 the show floor and I fucking looked and it would 2:03:06.560 --> 2:03:07.440 be junkie Cream. 2:03:07.720 --> 2:03:07.920 Yeah. 2:03:08.040 --> 2:03:11.200 Yeah, I got junk yunk cream. 2:03:11.440 --> 2:03:15.400 We love junk and it is just an AI slop company. 2:03:15.560 --> 2:03:18.520 It was just like it was just I don't want 2:03:18.560 --> 2:03:20.200 to talk about what they did because they couldn't work 2:03:20.200 --> 2:03:22.160 it out. And also it was very obviously we're trying 2:03:22.160 --> 2:03:22.920 to be like because it. 2:03:23.000 --> 2:03:24.040 Is just money. 2:03:24.160 --> 2:03:26.120 That's so that's exactly. No, no, no, it's like an 2:03:26.120 --> 2:03:29.000 it's like an illustration. It's like an it's like semi 2:03:29.200 --> 2:03:30.800 animation producing whatever. 2:03:31.120 --> 2:03:33.880 It's very clearly meant to make you go junkie. 2:03:33.520 --> 2:03:35.480 Cream, right, And that's actually exactly. 2:03:35.240 --> 2:03:38.360 Why I it looks like, come, I haven't brought it. 2:03:38.400 --> 2:03:41.200 Up because I saw it yesterday and I was like, 2:03:41.320 --> 2:03:42.000 junkie cream. 2:03:42.080 --> 2:03:42.879 That's crazy. 2:03:42.960 --> 2:03:44.680 And then as soon as you walk over it's the 2:03:44.720 --> 2:03:49.120 whole vibe is isn't this crazy junkie cream that ruins it? 2:03:49.280 --> 2:03:51.200 Like that's not it's not it's not funny anymore. 2:03:51.240 --> 2:03:53.520 There's a couple of those about yesterday, the jerk off 2:03:53.760 --> 2:03:56.840 hand and I saw that. I saw that today, and 2:03:56.840 --> 2:03:59.200 I get the handy. I get exactly what you mean, though, 2:03:59.200 --> 2:04:04.920 It's like you can look, it's not it's not your 2:04:05.000 --> 2:04:08.200 grandma's jack off machine. It's like a very sad thing. 2:04:09.080 --> 2:04:12.280 It's only funny when it's when the product is in earnest, 2:04:12.560 --> 2:04:15.160 like the Okay, I think, Edward, I think you were 2:04:15.160 --> 2:04:19.520 talking about toilet cams. But I then saw, I think, 2:04:19.520 --> 2:04:22.960 a different toilet cam than you did. And when the 2:04:22.960 --> 2:04:25.920 guy was explaining it to me, he was, first of all, 2:04:26.040 --> 2:04:31.120 the words camera in your toilet are, at least to 2:04:31.200 --> 2:04:35.960 a woman, the camera four words that you can string together. 2:04:36.760 --> 2:04:39.360 And so then when he was explaining it, he was like, yeah, 2:04:39.440 --> 2:04:41.280 so then the camera. So you put the cam, you 2:04:41.320 --> 2:04:44.160 put the thing in, and he put you put the 2:04:44.200 --> 2:04:47.080 camera in your toilet, and and he goes, and I said. 2:04:47.400 --> 2:04:52.000 I was like, and it's facing down right, and he goes, yeah, 2:04:52.280 --> 2:04:53.320 he goes. 2:04:53.360 --> 2:04:54.880 Obviously it's facing down. 2:04:55.520 --> 2:04:57.760 And I was like, and then he paused and he goes, 2:04:58.000 --> 2:05:00.880 or maybe it wasn't obvious, and I was like, yeah, honestly. 2:05:01.120 --> 2:05:05.600 Notting a toilet in a camera and a toilet everything's 2:05:05.640 --> 2:05:06.200 on the table. 2:05:06.280 --> 2:05:07.960 Yeah, I know what you might do. 2:05:08.160 --> 2:05:10.880 Yeah, yeah, And what happens to those photos? 2:05:11.440 --> 2:05:12.280 And what? 2:05:12.280 --> 2:05:15.800 What? What fuck toilet camera? 2:05:15.920 --> 2:05:17.240 What is this product supposed to do? 2:05:17.360 --> 2:05:19.360 It's looking at your ship and going, hey, you got 2:05:19.360 --> 2:05:20.200 to drink more water. 2:05:20.560 --> 2:05:23.680 That's the way it does. It insane with a permanent camera. 2:05:23.880 --> 2:05:25.960 I forget who posted it, but it's like, yeah, I 2:05:26.280 --> 2:05:28.800 know it's because my piss is like looks like a 2:05:28.880 --> 2:05:29.720 high viz vest. 2:05:29.920 --> 2:05:33.440 Yeah, Like the consistency of your poop is already you 2:05:33.480 --> 2:05:34.560 know it when it's happened. 2:05:34.880 --> 2:05:41.440 If you're like diary, yeah, yeah, ask them. And this 2:05:41.480 --> 2:05:45.440 little machine has so many pieces to it, like it's 2:05:45.480 --> 2:05:48.440 probably you know, like as you're holding it, it feels 2:05:48.440 --> 2:05:51.880 like it's probably like four separate housings that have been 2:05:51.960 --> 2:05:55.080 attached together to like make it all work. And I 2:05:55.120 --> 2:05:57.120 say that it looks it looks fine. I just say 2:05:57.120 --> 2:05:59.720 that to say, there's a lot of seams in the thing. 2:06:00.200 --> 2:06:03.800 And a load of pictures of piss, and presumably. 2:06:04.080 --> 2:06:05.840 That's in the cloud. That's for anybody to ask. 2:06:05.920 --> 2:06:07.240 Oh good, I'm sure that won't be breached. 2:06:07.320 --> 2:06:10.000 But I said, I was like, how do you clean 2:06:10.160 --> 2:06:13.080 the toilet cam? And he said, oh, you clean it 2:06:13.120 --> 2:06:14.920 in the same way that you would clean your toilet. 2:06:15.440 --> 2:06:18.640 And I was like, well for all, yeah, really weird? 2:06:19.320 --> 2:06:21.920 Yeah, like, how does he clean his toilet? 2:06:22.160 --> 2:06:23.400 Yeah, clean his toilet. 2:06:23.520 --> 2:06:26.800 The follow up question, how often? Also, this is sitting 2:06:26.800 --> 2:06:27.400 on the rim. 2:06:27.880 --> 2:06:29.760 I like, I'm happy to use the scrub brush, but 2:06:29.800 --> 2:06:32.840 it is once a year at best that I really 2:06:32.880 --> 2:06:35.880 like getting there with elbow grease around the rim. And 2:06:35.920 --> 2:06:38.560 then this thing has so many once a year. 2:06:39.480 --> 2:06:40.520 I guess that's exactly how I. 2:06:41.560 --> 2:06:45.440 Pay a lady clean your toilet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to 2:06:45.440 --> 2:06:47.120 clean my toilet to look through the photo. 2:06:49.280 --> 2:06:52.560 Also, I have a camera on my toilet. It is 2:06:52.600 --> 2:06:55.120 called my cell phone, which I bring with me every time. 2:06:56.520 --> 2:06:59.360 Yeah. All, So just if you I'm just gonna as 2:06:59.360 --> 2:07:01.240 we wrap, I think this statement I want to make 2:07:01.440 --> 2:07:03.520 is if you are thinking I'm going to put a 2:07:03.560 --> 2:07:07.040 camera in a toilet, Your fucking scumbag. I'm sorry, I'm 2:07:07.440 --> 2:07:07.720 just I. 2:07:08.640 --> 2:07:10.800 Met the guy who founded the company and he seems 2:07:10.800 --> 2:07:12.640 sweet and like you just had bad shits. 2:07:12.920 --> 2:07:15.480 Yeah, but it is like, I don't know, buddy, A 2:07:15.520 --> 2:07:16.320 camera can't be the. 2:07:16.840 --> 2:07:19.000 Just but I think the going robot. 2:07:19.040 --> 2:07:21.840 I mean, it's just because you're right that this is 2:07:22.080 --> 2:07:25.920 something that is going to be more immediately, Like more 2:07:25.920 --> 2:07:28.280 women are going to immediately respond negatively to this idea 2:07:28.320 --> 2:07:32.040 than men because there's a chunk of men. I'm sure 2:07:32.080 --> 2:07:34.200 there's just a smaller number of women too, but there's 2:07:34.200 --> 2:07:37.560 a chunk of men who have absolutely no interest in 2:07:37.560 --> 2:07:41.720 their own privacy, have absolutely no concerns about privacy, and 2:07:41.800 --> 2:07:45.800 are shocked and kind of scared when they realize other 2:07:45.920 --> 2:07:50.240 people have a sense of privacy. And most of those 2:07:50.240 --> 2:07:54.880 guys violation of threat exactly. Yeah, who are Like you 2:07:54.960 --> 2:07:57.200 don't want a camera on you at all time? You 2:07:57.240 --> 2:07:59.080 don't want a camera on you, like when you're when 2:07:59.080 --> 2:08:03.080 you're having sex. That's weird you wouldn't want Yeah, it 2:08:03.160 --> 2:08:04.320 would be upset if. 2:08:04.320 --> 2:08:07.480 I had a camera in a public space trained on you. 2:08:07.480 --> 2:08:10.160 You don't post about how many erections the robots that 2:08:10.280 --> 2:08:11.200 you have every night. 2:08:12.640 --> 2:08:14.520 Oh my god, I bet that's it. All right, We're 2:08:14.520 --> 2:08:16.800 gonna wrap up. I'm gonna read my favorite name from 2:08:16.840 --> 2:08:22.400 the the show floor, Shenzen City Wenzita's Motor Manufacture Co. Limited. 2:08:22.680 --> 2:08:26.080 That's a fucking name. Shen Zen Pan Brain Technology Co. Limited. 2:08:26.280 --> 2:08:29.400 Hand brain basically like brain brain, like in a head. Yeah, 2:08:29.440 --> 2:08:32.360 it's like it's actually a really worrying photo. I don't 2:08:32.360 --> 2:08:35.920 know if that's just like a guy sitting there full 2:08:36.000 --> 2:08:39.320 sleep faster and it looks like a sleep act near mask. 2:08:39.400 --> 2:08:41.840 But it just looks like a horrifying thing. 2:08:42.200 --> 2:08:45.520 It looks like something that people use in kick Yeah. 2:08:45.880 --> 2:08:48.000 Yeah, it looks like how the guy in Manhunter was 2:08:48.520 --> 2:08:51.320 like towards the anyway, can I tell one more story? Please? 2:08:51.320 --> 2:08:51.760 Please please? 2:08:51.840 --> 2:08:54.160 Okay, just this is the most useful thing that I'm 2:08:54.160 --> 2:08:56.520 gonna leave with, and you can jump into the story 2:08:56.520 --> 2:08:58.200 if you want. We went to the Weai Moo booth, 2:08:59.000 --> 2:09:02.320 which was mostly just way mo is here, you know, 2:09:02.400 --> 2:09:04.720 waymo here it is. But they had a little line 2:09:05.120 --> 2:09:07.640 and if you scan your badge and you push a button, 2:09:08.000 --> 2:09:10.600 it would dispense a little a little goodie for you. 2:09:11.120 --> 2:09:14.000 And first of all, very clearly there's just a person 2:09:14.200 --> 2:09:14.800 in there. 2:09:15.440 --> 2:09:18.200 And they get a very upset if you suggest otherwise. 2:09:18.400 --> 2:09:21.880 Really if you if you say that, they are but 2:09:21.960 --> 2:09:23.960 like sometimes you'd scan your thing and then sometimes it 2:09:23.960 --> 2:09:26.120 would take like four or five seconds and like the 2:09:26.160 --> 2:09:28.640 little pin would like come out at an irregular angle, 2:09:28.760 --> 2:09:30.560 like this is a guy back there, and like that's 2:09:30.640 --> 2:09:33.000 much cheaper than any other mechanism. And then you take 2:09:33.040 --> 2:09:35.520 the little pin and they go, oh, you're a winner. 2:09:35.560 --> 2:09:37.720 Everybody was a winner, but like, oh you're a winner. 2:09:37.760 --> 2:09:39.080 And then you go to a different guy and they 2:09:39.160 --> 2:09:42.120 give you a way Mo hat and a little beanie 2:09:42.160 --> 2:09:43.960 and tomorrow I'm flying in Madison, Wisconsin. 2:09:44.000 --> 2:09:45.280 It's going to be cold, and bring a hat. 2:09:45.360 --> 2:09:49.280 So that's Waimo has made my life. 2:09:50.320 --> 2:09:52.800 Well advertise for Waymo. 2:09:53.000 --> 2:09:55.440 I think it's gonna be pretty clear. It's ironic. Okay, 2:09:55.520 --> 2:09:56.600 if my hat says. 2:09:56.400 --> 2:10:03.640 We adam my god, I'm so I'm so sorry, I'm. 2:10:03.480 --> 2:10:06.520 A little I'm a little tipsy. So for a second 2:10:06.560 --> 2:10:08.160 it was unclear to me. I thought you were saying 2:10:08.200 --> 2:10:10.840 that Waimo had given you a ticket to Madison, Wisconsin. 2:10:12.360 --> 2:10:14.400 I was like, what an incredible advertising. 2:10:14.480 --> 2:10:19.600 Foss stand up to Madison, get in there. 2:10:19.840 --> 2:10:20.440 Airplane. 2:10:20.560 --> 2:10:23.160 Yeah, yeah, all right, as we wrap this up and 2:10:23.200 --> 2:10:27.160 Adam has to he has to go, Adam, plug your stuff, 2:10:27.200 --> 2:10:27.800 plug your shit. 2:10:27.960 --> 2:10:31.680 Okay, I'll be well listen the Factually podcast, which sometimes 2:10:32.040 --> 2:10:35.240 but I'm gonna be a Madison, Wisconsin docy this weekend, 2:10:35.240 --> 2:10:38.200 a comedy on State. Next week, I'll be Fort Wayne 2:10:38.240 --> 2:10:43.280 Summer Comedy Club. After that, Louisville, Houston, Texas, and finally 2:10:43.320 --> 2:10:46.160 taping a special on at the Punchline in San Francisco 2:10:46.200 --> 2:10:48.120 from February nineteenth through twenty first. 2:10:48.080 --> 2:10:50.440 Lovely Chloe, why don't you because you do this too? 2:10:50.640 --> 2:10:51.960 Yeah, I do this too. This weekend. 2:10:51.960 --> 2:10:55.520 I'll be in Cincinnati next week, and I'll be in Washington, 2:10:55.600 --> 2:10:59.919 d C. And uh the week after that, not the weekend. 2:11:00.120 --> 2:11:02.400 I will be doing my solo show called Cheat in 2:11:02.440 --> 2:11:05.680 Philadelphia January twenty twenty one and twenty two, and then 2:11:06.160 --> 2:11:08.080 at the end of January, I'll be in Vermont and 2:11:08.120 --> 2:11:12.000 then for Collins and then Fargo, going to Fargo. 2:11:12.240 --> 2:11:14.520 Okay, that's all that's gonna be colder than man. 2:11:14.680 --> 2:11:16.440 Oh yeah, of course. 2:11:16.720 --> 2:11:18.720 And as we wrap of course, in honor of Sean 2:11:18.720 --> 2:11:21.960 Paul Adams from Friend of the Show past last year, 2:11:22.120 --> 2:11:25.440 Please dedicate this to and donate to the Pediatric Epilepsy 2:11:25.480 --> 2:11:28.480 Research Consortium. Shan Paul's son is epileptic and his family 2:11:28.480 --> 2:11:31.080 would deeply appreciate it. Thank you so much for listening 2:11:31.360 --> 2:11:34.200 for another day of Better Offline. 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