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Speaker 2: Thiswee I've been doing podcasting, So Chrisa, We're gonna start
Speaker 2: with you because you saw something I could not see
Speaker 2: moving every time I went by the LG. Cloyd Laundry
Speaker 2: folding robot. How was that You said it here that
Speaker 2: it folded laundry and served food very slowly. Give me
Speaker 2: an idea of how slowly.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a TikTok in that story that you can see,
Speaker 1: and one of the top comments was it'll take three
Speaker 1: weeks to do your laundry at this pace, right, And
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was slow because for the
Speaker 1: demo purposes, they're trying to draw it out, make it
Speaker 1: more traumatic. But it started off with it was out
Speaker 1: of washing machine, and it's trying to pull something out
Speaker 1: of a hamper put load it into the washing machine.
Speaker 1: It's and it just is doing it so slow, but
Speaker 1: it takes its time kind of picking it up.
Speaker 2: Does it have any trouble?
Speaker 1: Does it have trouble picking it up? Really, it's just
Speaker 1: it's not really clear why it takes so long. It's
Speaker 1: just like I think the arms are just kind of
Speaker 1: calculating maybe, like each little movement slowly puts it in,
Speaker 1: slowly closes the washing machine door, slowly rolls over to
Speaker 1: a table, there's like a pile of wash glass, slowly
Speaker 1: picks one up, slowly starts folding it like just excruciating
Speaker 1: and then it picks up the folded thing and then
Speaker 1: it messes.
Speaker 2: Up a little bit.
Speaker 4: Did it fix the mess up?
Speaker 1: No, but there was like an LG person. I just
Speaker 1: had an arm reach out and they.
Speaker 2: When you say, mess it up house.
Speaker 1: Like it was folded like if you imagine something that's
Speaker 1: very symmetrically right folded, and then when it it's robot
Speaker 1: hand picks it up like the top corner just comes,
Speaker 1: it comes unaligned.
Speaker 4: Awesome.
Speaker 2: How much is this row boat? Did they say anything
Speaker 2: like that?
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think they're going to sell it.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's always what happens with laundry folding.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, then no, that's like the there's a rich
Speaker 5: history of CS and laundry laundry mate here. Oh they
Speaker 5: all went, we love laundry, mate laundry may I think
Speaker 5: I've been coming to see us a twenty eleven.
Speaker 2: They dead. Finally they're dead. All the all the twenty
Speaker 2: ten's ones are dead. That's yeah, that's look what they
Speaker 2: took from us. So, yeah, you also said it served food.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it also did that weirdly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, walked out, roll sorry, rolled over. It
Speaker 1: did not have legs. It has like a weeled kind
Speaker 1: of robot vacuum. It has arms and like a head unit.
Speaker 2: Take a look at that. Look at that piece of ship.
Speaker 4: A head unit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they called it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: The they're kind of selling this as it works with
Speaker 1: all of Elgie's appliances. When it rolls over to the fridge,
Speaker 1: the fridge opens, it pulls out your milk, rolls over
Speaker 1: to the table, sets it down.
Speaker 2: That's so bad and like I'm guessing it would only
Speaker 2: be compatible with the LG stuff. Is this just a concept?
Speaker 1: Yes, it is a concept, So, I mean the whole
Speaker 1: presentation it kind of felt like watching something at Disneyland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was like very high production value. They had this
Speaker 1: very charismatic presenter clearly memorizes very tight fifteen minute script
Speaker 1: that included a video that was playing, and they invented
Speaker 1: this story about this family and how this how Cloyd
Speaker 1: is going to help the dad find his keys and
Speaker 1: help really slowly, yeah my kids make the breakfast. And
Speaker 1: you're watching it and you're kind of like, okay, like
Speaker 1: that's it seems cool that the robot can do this.
Speaker 1: But then if you read the book, can it, well,
Speaker 1: if you read the press release, what they say is well,
Speaker 1: you know, we're really interested in moving more into robotics technology,
Speaker 1: but they don't say anything about actually making Cloyd selling it.
Speaker 1: The only thing that they mentioned is roboticized appliances like
Speaker 1: fridge doors that open automatically or oven doors. So I
Speaker 1: feel like they're selling us the robot but what they're
Speaker 1: actually going to sell is just like a fridge that
Speaker 1: can open by itself.
Speaker 4: Like a fridge with a trunk off of a new suv.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, button in it, but no, no, you have
Speaker 2: to get like the seven thousand dollars lg one that
Speaker 2: you can kick to open.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that these things. I just want the coldest
Speaker 2: possible diet coke because that too much to ask. Also,
Speaker 2: is its name Cloyd, Yeah, cloid, but the eye is
Speaker 2: small for some reason. Just it's so strange to do
Speaker 2: this thing. And it got all the headlines and was
Speaker 2: going robot this is the year of robotics a CS
Speaker 2: and the most famous one is not being released. No,
Speaker 2: And if you it's great, you can have breakfast ready
Speaker 2: if you started at one am, like just like this incredibly,
Speaker 2: Like Henry Casey kind of put it as like the
Speaker 2: sloth from Zootopia just fucking yeah. Yeah, it's so what
Speaker 2: a strange thing to do, because if that worked much faster,
Speaker 2: it would be kind of cool. Man, that's the es.
Speaker 2: But it's like it's just not being released. They just
Speaker 2: why show it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you said it. They got all
Speaker 1: the headlines. It looks cool. I think they're trying to
Speaker 1: show off that, you know, you said, everyone saying that
Speaker 1: this is the year of a lot of robots are
Speaker 1: trying to We're finally seeing that some of them are
Speaker 1: capable of kind of doing these tasks. But these companies
Speaker 1: aren't yet ready or able or willing to actually make
Speaker 1: this into real products. Like I think it's probably just
Speaker 1: not feasible. This thing is huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how big was it?
Speaker 1: I would say I didn't get close to it because
Speaker 1: it was sort of behind like a rope line and
Speaker 1: you could line up for like a selfie. But I
Speaker 1: booked it out of the booth for that. I think
Speaker 1: it's taller than I am.
Speaker 3: I'm realizing I actually think I saw. I don't think
Speaker 3: I saw the laundry demo or I saw I saw
Speaker 3: some portion of the demo, because what I noticed about it,
Speaker 3: and now this is the different perspectives that we come
Speaker 3: at it from. I was like, Wow, all of these
Speaker 3: robotics companies and and you know, electronics companies just wind
Speaker 3: up hiring these very hot actors who.
Speaker 4: Are very charming to run the demo.
Speaker 3: Because the guy I don't know if the guy who
Speaker 3: was I don't know if there was a person helping
Speaker 3: with the laundry and food demo, but there was a
Speaker 3: guy who was like doing this demo. As I walked
Speaker 3: by very quick, and he's this fucking gorgeous man being like, Hey, Cloyd,
Speaker 3: do you anything else that you can do and help
Speaker 3: me make my life easier?
Speaker 4: And it's like, yeah, of course, I guess.
Speaker 2: I could Cloyd shrink my shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean truly, it's like, Cloyd, do you
Speaker 3: want to come over here and touch my pets? It's
Speaker 3: like and you really sort of do watch it and
Speaker 3: you're like, I guess I want to fuck the humans,
Speaker 3: So maybe I will buy the robot.
Speaker 4: It seems to sort.
Speaker 2: Of what you cannot do demo, You cannot do either.
Speaker 4: No, can't do either. But yeah it is it's a
Speaker 4: big robot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why I said, it's kind of like
Speaker 1: being at Disneyland where like they have this like very nice,
Speaker 1: very carefully orchestrated, uh demo that they set up, and
Speaker 1: it's like watching a little movie of what they are
Speaker 1: trying to say is going to be the future, I guess.
Speaker 1: And when you're watching it, you're like, oh, that's it's
Speaker 1: pretty neat. Like all of that look works together. The
Speaker 1: robot rolled over there, Look, it found it's the guy.
Speaker 1: That guy's keys. But then you like think about it
Speaker 1: for a second and you realize that, no, they're not
Speaker 1: actually going to have that.
Speaker 2: So like a very clean house, which is traditionally not
Speaker 2: where you lose your keys. Yeah, it's not like you
Speaker 2: lose it in an empty room and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's in the corner, not underneath something.
Speaker 3: And also if the way that the robot is going
Speaker 3: to be able to find the keys is by having
Speaker 3: something like an AirTag on the keys that the robot
Speaker 3: gave to we have that.
Speaker 1: And also the robot doesn't have legs, so if your
Speaker 1: keys are upstairs.
Speaker 3: A very ball pop on a segway coated where you
Speaker 3: can just get up onto a curve and obmate.
Speaker 2: It like a dollar. Just like so you also saw
Speaker 2: this switchbot switchbots, which they have a laundry folding robots,
Speaker 2: and how is that if you see saw that what happened? Well,
Speaker 2: I didn't see it fold laundry.
Speaker 5: So they because they they had it out and they
Speaker 5: had a like a bench with a few like rumpled
Speaker 5: pieces of clothes on. I was like, great, I'm going
Speaker 5: to see it fold laundry. This is what I came
Speaker 5: here for. And it stood there for like five minutes
Speaker 5: doing nothing, and then and then it very slowly rolled
Speaker 5: over to one piece of laundry and I was like, great,
Speaker 5: it's going to fold the laundry. It very slowly picked
Speaker 5: up the piece of laundry and then very slowly moved
Speaker 5: over to the to the washing machine and put the
Speaker 5: garment in the washing machine very slowly, and then very
Speaker 5: slight close the door, and then waited another five minutes,
Speaker 5: and then went over to another garment and did the
Speaker 5: exact same fill one at a time. Each individual piece
Speaker 5: of laundry it went to put in the shop and
Speaker 5: didn't fold any.
Speaker 2: Of You know, this is like a heavily prepped demo.
Speaker 2: They've had to go through a lot like the Boston
Speaker 2: Dynamics videos where they like show the robot working one
Speaker 2: hundred takes one hundred takes with the robot just like
Speaker 2: rolls on its back somehow like explodes. I love this.
Speaker 2: I love that they're trying to pretend it's just like fraud,
Speaker 2: Like there's there's something very fraudulent about this. Like the
Speaker 2: robots are here, Yes, they're here, but are they able
Speaker 2: to do anything? Yes? Kind of. If I needed someone
Speaker 2: to very slowly put laundry in my washing machine and
Speaker 2: eventually do it like I would.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say I stand first five minutes, completely
Speaker 3: still resisting folding laundry, slowly move lunch show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Does the robot look at its phone and scroll Instagram
Speaker 2: for like seventeen minutes before it puts in one T shirt?
Speaker 2: And does it? Can you program it to leave the
Speaker 2: washing in the washing machine and forget? It has to
Speaker 2: do like a visibly heavy sigh before it's.
Speaker 3: This is the most drama that folding laundry has ever
Speaker 3: been the recipient.
Speaker 2: Other than like a deteriorating relationship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There it's like a symbol of drama.
Speaker 3: This you're you're like, this is the one thing I
Speaker 3: came here.
Speaker 5: To see, and it was torn because I was like,
Speaker 5: how long can I wait to see if it actually was?
Speaker 5: Was it going to run the laundry? And then I
Speaker 5: had to wait for it to come out of itself.
Speaker 2: Just look like this video. It's also like got a
Speaker 2: very strange long body with like with the arms. No,
Speaker 2: it's cute, but it's also like if I saw this
Speaker 2: in my home, it would chill me every day. I
Speaker 2: never get used to seeing this, Like slender Man robot.
Speaker 2: It looks a little dead behind the eyes. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: has like these weird like the the chows from Sonic Adventure.
Speaker 2: We are all eighteen people who got that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just to their credit. They did tell me
Speaker 1: that they are planning to sell it WO towards the
Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4: Wait Cloyd or that one.
Speaker 2: That one's cool, but the thunderd Loyd will never leave
Speaker 2: the LG prison they put it in. Did you see
Speaker 2: any working robots either of you? One? I saw the
Speaker 2: fighting robot right, and I saw that guy's dogship form
Speaker 2: when he was fighting it just like, no, didn't plant
Speaker 2: his feet at all. Pathetic. Yeah, what was the purpose
Speaker 2: of that? Are you meant to fight it? Is it
Speaker 2: like a boxing robot. It was.
Speaker 5: It also danced, and I think it was just like
Speaker 5: one of those general like look at all these things
Speaker 5: that this robot can do.
Speaker 2: Feels like what they sell on Black Friday, just like,
Speaker 2: is that the one that I see in like various
Speaker 2: Instagram videos where it's just like running into a wall.
Speaker 5: There was a sign that said five thousand dollars, so
Speaker 5: I guess you could just buy it.
Speaker 4: And honestly, that feels like you can haggle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of those CS like I'll give you
Speaker 2: thirty five dollars, like you can take a tax loss.
Speaker 2: I will take this whatever this is, I'm beating the
Speaker 2: fuck out of it, regardless. The weirdest category.
Speaker 5: Of stuff at CS is the things that you can
Speaker 5: buy at CS.
Speaker 2: Like the massage chairs, like the wonderful massage chair I
Speaker 2: actually did see on the way through CS to get
Speaker 2: back here. I found a chair massage chair company called
Speaker 2: doctor Boss and it just says, so do you have
Speaker 2: any problems with your spine? And spine is in blue
Speaker 2: bold letters, and then there were like three or four
Speaker 2: spaces with a question mark. I love them. I love
Speaker 2: the weird massage chair companies. So I was mentioning the
Speaker 2: earlier episode they scam you. They're like, yeah, I got
Speaker 2: special CS deal. It's like, you don't you have like
Speaker 2: seven margins on this you just like everyone is defrauded. Yeah,
Speaker 2: any working robots of any kind, because even last year
Speaker 2: I thought I saw working ones.
Speaker 1: There's a TikTok dancing robot.
Speaker 2: There's one that does rock paper scissors against you, and
Speaker 2: it wins every.
Speaker 4: Time because it can detect right as you're about to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was actually like it was like a cheating
Speaker 5: robot because it was like a second behind your Sure. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we just looked at what you're doing and then was like,
Speaker 5: all right, I'm gonna do the other thing.
Speaker 6: Oh, what the fuck is the point?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I've been trying this whole week to find
Speaker 2: good stuff, and every time I like, it's the year
Speaker 2: of the robots. Let's look at the robots.
Speaker 3: You can't how many other years has it been the
Speaker 3: year of robotics?
Speaker 2: I actually don't know. It's a great question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think like that feels like a headline
Speaker 3: that has happened before, right, I feel like I probably really.
Speaker 2: I feel like they play with the idea occasionally, but
Speaker 2: it's there's just something very bizarre about this. I guess
Speaker 2: it's like, well, we can't claim Mel and M's do anything,
Speaker 2: so what we lie about something else? Okay, Hey, we
Speaker 2: have robot vacuums, all right, and the robot vacuums are
Speaker 2: fine other than picking up dust in my apartment apparently.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just I'm very confused. And we discussed
Speaker 2: this earlier as well, like the robot they had arms
Speaker 2: last year, and now the robots have legs like the
Speaker 2: robot vacuums. Hmmm, yeah, and yeah, I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: just it's so weird. It's really weird. Like I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm going a little crazy because everyone I've read
Speaker 2: tons of articles about like robots robots, but it sounds
Speaker 2: like the practical experience is they don't work, they don't
Speaker 2: do the things or you and or you can't buy them.
Speaker 5: It is a very hard problem to solve, like anything
Speaker 5: involving like limbs and all that. That's why the Laundry wrote,
Speaker 5: Like I wrote about another laundry folding robot last year,
Speaker 5: it was one that like their their idea was like
Speaker 5: it was like lamp lamps, and then the lamps are
Speaker 5: actually robot arms that turn into and they released this
Speaker 5: like very flashy concept video and a bunch of people
Speaker 5: pre ordered it based on just this rendered video that
Speaker 5: is not actually the robot, and they would not show
Speaker 5: like a prototype of it actually working right, and it is.
Speaker 5: It's just like there's all these edge cases of any
Speaker 5: kind of garment you have to pick up and deal with,
Speaker 5: like getting a having all the training to deal with
Speaker 5: all that takes forever, and nobody's figured that out yet.
Speaker 3: If would any of this be solvable if we weren't
Speaker 3: so committed to having the robots look humanoid? No, Like,
Speaker 3: like if there was like a big tube. All right,
Speaker 3: here comes to my idea.
Speaker 2: You've cracked the code. It's a big tube.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm having a right now as a stand up
Speaker 3: comedian that no one else here at CS has had.
Speaker 3: But like if there was like a big tube and
Speaker 3: you dump your clothes in and then somehow there was
Speaker 3: like a vacuum space.
Speaker 4: Okay, Nope, that I don't know.
Speaker 3: There is somehow a way to like stretch the clothes flat,
Speaker 3: like create tension in the fabric no matter what the
Speaker 3: shape is.
Speaker 4: Engineers ended in the tube.
Speaker 3: You guys writing this down. Yes, it's meed in the tube. Okay,
Speaker 3: you're with I like this, this is good. I've got
Speaker 3: buy ins om And then somehow there could be like
Speaker 3: a wire that like bisects that and then it at
Speaker 3: least folds in half and then like does the same,
Speaker 3: you know, but like it's not it's not a humanoid.
Speaker 4: It's a machine. It's not a it's not a just
Speaker 4: my buddy.
Speaker 5: You even have to identify though, like where the edges
Speaker 5: of the clothes are, and that itself is not easy
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 2: It's just lasers you describe me. It's like, what do
Speaker 2: we need a robot to do? Make food for me?
Speaker 2: Not really? Launch, not really TikTok. You want to be
Speaker 2: Do you want to see something cheat at rock paper scissors?
Speaker 2: Because I'm constantly annoyed that I can't find a better
Speaker 2: person that as a rock paper scissors champion, I have
Speaker 2: never been able to be defeated by anyone. It's just
Speaker 2: so fucking weird. But you know what, changing subjects, did
Speaker 2: you find anything you actually liked? Either of you? I
Speaker 2: can go please pebble Okay, okay, I've got pebble. Get
Speaker 2: mentioned a few times. What was pebble up to this. Well,
Speaker 2: so they you know, they're they're doing new watches.
Speaker 5: They're back and it's you know, it's one of those
Speaker 5: things that is just like a passion project, which you know,
Speaker 5: I feel like it's kind of like au then it's
Speaker 5: the same thing with like clicks.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like these people.
Speaker 5: That, yeah, they know it's not for everybody. They just
Speaker 5: want this thing to exist and they put it into existence.
Speaker 2: And we've got Michael coming on Friday, we'll talk about it.
Speaker 5: When I respect that kind of thing. I think the
Speaker 5: Pebble watches are are great. I think so it's just
Speaker 5: it's the watches.
Speaker 2: Ring is well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so they're starting with the watches and now they
Speaker 5: have the thing called the Index I believe it's called. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you wear it on your index finger and it's basically
Speaker 5: just a button that you can push to take a note.
Speaker 2: Uh, and then like a voice. Yeah you voice trains
Speaker 2: of the ring.
Speaker 4: That's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you have to speak into the ring? I
Speaker 2: think you can know.
Speaker 4: I think you can just there's a little microphone in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Does it make a noise or can you record people secretly?
Speaker 2: It's not persistent. It's like a push to talk kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 4: But you can break state law.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think you can bring it's one
Speaker 3: interesting in New York.
Speaker 4: It's a two party consent.
Speaker 2: New York was one.
Speaker 4: No, I believe in you because I break it all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 3: Just a admit that on a podcast and then be
Speaker 3: do an evil laugh after.
Speaker 2: She meant parody she meant but so it's just a rook.
Speaker 2: It doesn't do any health No, there's no health stuff.
Speaker 2: There's no any of that.
Speaker 5: And then I think there's like a secondary function where
Speaker 5: maybe you can like program some stuff if you wanted
Speaker 5: to do something else how much then uh oh, you're
Speaker 5: putting on a spot here in front something like one
Speaker 5: hundred dollars seventy five dimes.
Speaker 4: Is them ugly?
Speaker 5: I mean it's presentable. I think there's a there's a
Speaker 5: button on it. So I guess, however you feel about it,
Speaker 5: the thing is, I can see the use for that.
Speaker 2: Like I don't like voice notes at all, Like I
Speaker 2: don't like hearing myself speak. Well, I think it will
Speaker 2: transcribe that I've never listened to a single episode of
Speaker 2: the show which everyone listening to this two works. Iheart's
Speaker 2: Gonna Love and It's like I can't hear myself speak,
Speaker 2: but if I could do a transcription, I might actually buy.
Speaker 2: It'd be the first thing I've seen at CES or
Speaker 2: I'm like, I would purchase that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think more broadly that, you know, they're just things.
Speaker 5: Their matras is sort of not even matra, but just
Speaker 5: like it's this dude he's done all right for himself
Speaker 5: in tech, and he just like wants to make cool
Speaker 5: gadgets that he doesn't see in the market and whatever.
Speaker 2: I you know what, I like.
Speaker 3: That reporting live on the pebble index ring. It really
Speaker 3: looks like a ring that somebody is using to record you.
Speaker 2: Let me see. Let me see when it has a
Speaker 2: sketchy ring its supports me.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, really looks like no, no, I don't have
Speaker 3: a microphone in my ring.
Speaker 2: It's like like the hat that Homer Simpson wall with
Speaker 2: the camera in it. Ring Like just like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just clicking this non descript slack. Yeah, what are you doing? Nothing?
Speaker 2: It's an odd Now say all the crimes you committed,
Speaker 2: tell me all your secrets. No, I can't move my thumb.
Speaker 2: I can't move my thumb at all. I now actually
Speaker 2: know I'm now going to start critiquing this. So you
Speaker 2: have to is it one? You can click once and
Speaker 2: it will record, because if you have to hold it
Speaker 2: the whole fucking time, that might be I cannot recall.
Speaker 2: That's fine, it's you know what I mean, even the
Speaker 2: benefit of the doubt, they wouldn't do something so fucking stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're gonna the.
Speaker 4: Fun to watch and changes just like they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 3: Everything, then hearing something the like becoming an aftimist and
Speaker 3: then immediately be like no, no, no no.
Speaker 2: That's a good instinct to have. That. Also, we've got
Speaker 2: plenty of people who want We got Blanny, We've got
Speaker 2: we got fucking cell side analysts there as well. Chris,
Speaker 2: there anything you've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: I saw some robotic sneakers that were kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Tell me more, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: So they're sneakers that attached to a kind of exoskeleton. Oh,
Speaker 1: and they're meant for people who can't like walk long
Speaker 1: distances or want to be able to.
Speaker 2: Walk at Robert Evans has been using like an exoskeleton. Io.
Speaker 2: Please tell me what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these ones are different. They attached to a special
Speaker 1: shoe and they're battery powered, and then you can kind
Speaker 1: of it learns your gate the first twenty steps or so,
Speaker 1: and then as you're walking, it just kind of like
Speaker 1: pushes you up a little bit. It's a very strange
Speaker 1: sensation for somebody who doesn't happen. Really it doesn't really
Speaker 1: have trouble walking. But like three hours later, I was
Speaker 1: my feet were hurting so bad after being on them
Speaker 1: for four or five hours, and I was thinking, like,
Speaker 1: maybe that feel kind of good right now I've.
Speaker 2: Got an ankle injury. That sounds great. I did see another one,
Speaker 2: and every time I see them, like my hateriends think
Speaker 2: kicks in and I'm like, no, actually, this is what
Speaker 2: technology should do. Yeah, that it can help you if
Speaker 2: you'd be walking too much or if you have serious
Speaker 2: mobility issues.
Speaker 1: The downside, as it cost forty five hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: That actually doesn't surprise me. Yeah like that if I
Speaker 2: hear that, and I'm like, okay, it literally helps people
Speaker 2: who can't walk much walk forty five hundred, and I'm
Speaker 2: like that's actually reasonable. I did see a few of them,
Speaker 2: but I'm actually kind of excited to see that because
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I realized it just went from
Speaker 2: being a huge hate. But like I have tons of
Speaker 2: like several family members with mobility issues. My mom like it.
Speaker 2: I myself. My ankle when it gets bad, really gets
Speaker 2: fucked up, and I can't walk, like literally two weeks
Speaker 2: ago is having problems with my feet. It's quite lovely.
Speaker 3: Well, you are consistent in what you in, what you
Speaker 3: like and don't like. Yeah, and that is is there
Speaker 3: a tangible, describable.
Speaker 4: Problem that this is solving.
Speaker 3: Yes, And I think the more physical, not necessarily like corporal,
Speaker 3: but the more physical a problem, the more you are
Speaker 3: going to be inclined to like the tech presentation of
Speaker 3: a solution exactly.
Speaker 2: And it's like I think, I also, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think that's what technology is meant to do. It's
Speaker 2: meant to allow you to do things you can't do,
Speaker 2: to streamline things, to make things easier. That's cool, And
Speaker 2: there were quite a few of them. I want more
Speaker 2: of this shit, like let those who can't will walk.
Speaker 2: That's if is there anything more technological than that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The accessibility stuff is actually kind of interesting. I'm always
Speaker 1: looking out for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was writing about it this year and so many
Speaker 1: times It's hard to find anything like that because so
Speaker 1: much of it is just yeah, cramming tech into products
Speaker 1: that don't need it, or you know, the the crap
Speaker 1: that we're used to seeing here, smart belts and just
Speaker 1: weird stuff.
Speaker 2: So whenever their belts.
Speaker 1: Do you have a belty from like years ago?
Speaker 2: Wait, do you kind of remember that? Yeah, Belty, it's
Speaker 2: called Belty. What is belty? Oh man?
Speaker 1: This is from probably ten years ago. It was a
Speaker 1: smart belt. Do you remember that year at CS when
Speaker 1: like Internet of Things was kind of just yeah, and
Speaker 1: like everything was just like a flower pot that's connected
Speaker 1: to the Internet of this and it was a belt
Speaker 1: that I think could automatically adjust, like it's like maybe
Speaker 1: you eat more or something.
Speaker 7: Oh God, well, sorry, I'm my fifth piece of chicken. Well,
Speaker 7: actually we're gonna go back to shape robots though, because
Speaker 7: everyone has kind of mentioned Agi bought or Aggie.
Speaker 2: Bott to have the fun. He says, and this is
Speaker 2: the TikTok robot. You saw what was that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's two. They have two different humanoids. One
Speaker 1: is a smaller one that was the Dancy one has
Speaker 1: like these bright yellow shoes. They have a larger one
Speaker 1: that's about about five feel like my hey, maybe, and
Speaker 1: they are humanoid robots. They can walk around, the little
Speaker 1: one can dance. They have some kind of like AI
Speaker 1: functionality in them. So they're meant like the large one.
Speaker 1: What they explained to me is that it's meant for
Speaker 1: kind of like either for businesses hospitality use cases, like
Speaker 1: maybe you put one in a museum and it can
Speaker 1: like welcome guests and kind of like show them where
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: Or trying do that though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what's interesting is this is a Chinese company
Speaker 1: that's making them Okay, and they already have sold several
Speaker 1: thousands in China. We went we went to another robotics
Speaker 1: company booth, and the whole spiel of this booth was
Speaker 1: that the booth is run entirely by robots, and there's
Speaker 1: like a human guy there who's kind of like can
Speaker 1: answer a question for if you want, But the booth
Speaker 1: is just these two robots. And they were the Agibot robots.
Speaker 1: And so the larger one was there and it was
Speaker 1: had a little microphone. You could talk to it and
Speaker 1: you could have this like interaction with it. So I
Speaker 1: came up and I was like okay, roast me okay,
Speaker 1: and it actually, like you know, it started off kind
Speaker 1: of tame, it.
Speaker 4: Was, but then it got pretty mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well then I said, I was like, actually, I was like,
Speaker 1: can you be a meaner? Like can you do more?
Speaker 1: And then not too bad? It made fun of what
Speaker 1: I was wearing and.
Speaker 4: Couldn't see what you were wearing?
Speaker 2: Yeah I could.
Speaker 1: And then at the end I was like, okay, well
Speaker 1: you know, all good, let's have a fist bump and
Speaker 1: it was like great, and it actually did.
Speaker 3: What did it say about what you were wearing? I
Speaker 3: want to judge this from a joke atic.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't remember exactly. It was just kind of
Speaker 1: was like, oh, and you're wearing that, Like I like,
Speaker 1: you're making fun of me, but like you're like it
Speaker 1: was it was kind.
Speaker 5: Of generic, but okay, then you wanted to turn into
Speaker 5: the boxing robots.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I wanted it to be Ruda. I want
Speaker 2: to find this thing and.
Speaker 1: You're able to have like a back and forth. There's
Speaker 1: a slight delay when you say something, maybe maybe two
Speaker 1: three seconds for it to come up with a response,
Speaker 1: but you can actually and its voice actually sounded pretty
Speaker 1: natural in a way that most robot vice models.
Speaker 2: Was it like, was it using a model? Was it like,
Speaker 2: did they explain any of that it is?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I imagine that that company it was
Speaker 1: called into Bot. That was the booth that had these
Speaker 1: like customized versions.
Speaker 2: And that wasn't was that Aggie Bob.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was an Agibot robot, but the company that
Speaker 1: was showing them off was into Bot, and I guess
Speaker 1: they had customized They had bought these robots and somehow
Speaker 1: customize them for there.
Speaker 4: But the what you're chatting with, it's not just chat
Speaker 4: gbt no or open ai or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a combination of things. I think
Speaker 1: they probably use several different models and then they also
Speaker 1: have like cameras and sensors so they know you know.
Speaker 2: About Tannemon Square. I'm sorry, I want to admit I
Speaker 2: want to be like, what do you think of Winnie
Speaker 2: the Pooh? And it just goes just because like just
Speaker 2: looks at me personally us you look fam Fuck. No,
Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna say it sounds like it worked, which
Speaker 2: is unusual. That's genuinely U.
Speaker 4: The nicest thing you say about a robot.
Speaker 2: It works kind of, But what was the what's the
Speaker 2: what was the purpose?
Speaker 1: For into bot. Yeah, I'm actually not sure because we
Speaker 1: just went because we wanted to.
Speaker 2: Like the show. God, their whole face is.
Speaker 1: That our boat is just run by robots, so we're like, well,
Speaker 1: we got to go check that out. And then we
Speaker 1: just we talked to it and made a TikTok and
Speaker 1: I didn't find out what they're trying to do with them.
Speaker 5: But you should have asked it, like can you grab
Speaker 5: me some press materials in hand them to me?
Speaker 2: And it would like fail and it starts trying to
Speaker 2: fold them. Oh my god, I love it. We get
Speaker 2: to things like yeah, it works. What's why though, and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh fuck, I we just did this for
Speaker 2: the yucks. It could introduce you to a museum, so off.
Speaker 3: Okay on the broader theme of why though, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was walking around today at the convention Center and wondering
Speaker 3: what is the not what is the point of CS,
Speaker 3: but pretty close, like how effective is CS and in
Speaker 3: what way for the majority of people who are here?
Speaker 3: Well that's sort of I'm asking as a complete naive user,
Speaker 3: you know, Like, but it's like, are people I understand that?
Speaker 3: Like there were buyers from Sam's Club walking around being like.
Speaker 4: We're looking for a new I don't know what the
Speaker 4: fuck they're looking.
Speaker 3: For, but like I understand that if you like, there's
Speaker 3: you know, some small proportion of buyers who are looking
Speaker 3: for some small proportion of specific tech. But like a
Speaker 3: lot of people, it seems like they're just sort of
Speaker 3: in booths showing off stuff that like largely already exists,
Speaker 3: maybe with like a slightly new extra spice, but like
Speaker 3: for the most part, it's not blowing anybody's minds. And
Speaker 3: then a lot of people are walking by picking it up,
Speaker 3: going oh, setting it down and continuing walking, And it's like,
Speaker 3: what effect beyond just like a trip to Vegas that
Speaker 3: is justifiable via work, what effect is this having in
Speaker 3: most people?
Speaker 5: I mean, as somebody who's I'm not super pessimistic about
Speaker 5: CES despite.
Speaker 2: How ridiculous you've been here longer. I don't know. I guess,
Speaker 2: I guess for me, And maybe this is the point too.
Speaker 2: You love leaflets.
Speaker 5: I love leaflets, No, I just you know, there's probably
Speaker 5: some value in just getting a bunch of people into
Speaker 5: one place that we don't have anymore.
Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna we're going to rotate rows, We're
Speaker 2: going to go to an ad break. Coming up now
Speaker 2: an advertisement for Chumley, the robot that's based on Chumley
Speaker 2: from Pawn Stars. A word I cannot say. People think
Speaker 2: I am talking about pornography. And we're back in the
Speaker 2: room and once again we're joined by Charisabella ven Gadget Hello,
Speaker 2: Jared Newman of the advisory and newsletter Yo and nearly
Speaker 2: said newsletter wrong. And of course Coloie Radleff, actress of
Speaker 2: is this thing on in the standup Comedian? And we're
Speaker 2: back and we're just talking about how and why people
Speaker 2: do see yes, And I'm getting this prevailing just feeling
Speaker 2: about conferences. Conferences in general, Jesus Christ. They are just
Speaker 2: there to give people something to do, like they put
Speaker 2: people in a room. Yeah, there's an extent like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna admit I don't go to conferences in general. I
Speaker 2: never have non pr FIR and since twenty twelve, like
Speaker 2: I've just not gone. It's never affected every time I've
Speaker 2: gone to a conference other than ces, I've just been
Speaker 2: like why and it's like, oh, we got to meet
Speaker 2: sale people from this and it's like okay, but but
Speaker 2: why though? And there's so much stuff here aspect if
Speaker 2: This year feels like a landmark year for just shit
Speaker 2: that don't exist. And I say that remembering the Web
Speaker 2: three metaverse year. Even that one, they seem to be like,
Speaker 2: we have a new thinner TV that's also wet for
Speaker 2: some reason, like like we they were trying new things
Speaker 2: of TVs and soundbars, and I guess we've got some
Speaker 2: of that. But it feels dominated by just vapor where
Speaker 2: vapor were like maybe it was worse during the Indiego
Speaker 2: Go boom. You remember the twenty fourteen twenty fifteen Indiego
Speaker 2: Go boom, when they was.
Speaker 5: Just fine of the bowels of the Venetian the Eureka Hole,
Speaker 5: where it was just like the most insane shit, like
Speaker 5: it's a cooler that's also a razor blade to kill people.
Speaker 2: Actually, no, that's the thing. Indigo the Indiegogo fraud generation
Speaker 2: was fucking cool because it was just shit that was
Speaker 2: impossible to make. And we've raised five hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: The money laundering operations that go through Indiegogo have funded
Speaker 2: this and I will deliver it in ten years and
Speaker 2: then the company will shut down in three.
Speaker 4: Like that.
Speaker 2: I found kind of like honest laundry folding robots laundry
Speaker 2: made rip and piss like they the most obvious fake one.
Speaker 2: I respect they got like fo this it was like
Speaker 2: a tower laundry Mate. It was like this weird tower
Speaker 2: and it was never clear how it worked. And every
Speaker 2: year they were like, next year, there's this hidden consumers,
Speaker 2: and then they just died.
Speaker 3: The only landering that Indiegogoeah robots can do is financing.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I feel like this is like a legendary
Speaker 2: year because they're trying to pretend robots work. They tried,
Speaker 2: because the reason you can't do robots mass for mass consuming,
Speaker 2: mass consumer audiences is because training for edge cases is
Speaker 2: fucking difficult. I don't know, it's it's a shame because
Speaker 2: I'd love a robot.
Speaker 5: I'd love well, I think I think a laundry folding
Speaker 5: robot is like a billion dollar idea if it actually works.
Speaker 3: But I had this tube idea.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of indigogo?
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, the tubat is a little real for Indy Goka,
Speaker 2: We've got to do like a movie that never gets made,
Speaker 2: or like a card game made by like a disgrace substacker,
Speaker 2: like or a board game by a guy with an
Speaker 2: allegation section on Wikipedia, Like that's all we do want here.
Speaker 2: It's just weird because I say this with a little
Speaker 2: sadness because like I may seem like broken heart romantic.
Speaker 2: If we had like an actual laundry folding robot, that's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that'd be cool. I'd love that. Did you did you
Speaker 2: were on the show floor? Yes? So what did you
Speaker 2: see and what did you like? That's a fucking long.
Speaker 2: I walked around, I walked I walked around Eureka Park
Speaker 2: today and I walked around. I was about to say,
Speaker 2: keny a hall those you know the sky that ken
Speaker 2: toy Your Hall if you don't know, is so E
Speaker 2: three is the former games Journalism, the game's equivalent of
Speaker 2: this show, and Keny your Hall was like the scariest
Speaker 2: place to go with the media badge. You go down there,
Speaker 2: every head would snap to your media badge, stop citizen
Speaker 2: like marrow Wind, like you'd stolen a piece of bread
Speaker 2: from a shop keep. And because they want to talk
Speaker 2: to you. Because games is just games right about the game.
Speaker 5: This was all the very small like developers that had
Speaker 5: nothing going on and so like not like you know,
Speaker 5: like like one division.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it for them, and I went to
Speaker 2: Eureka Park and everything I saw was a chat GPT
Speaker 2: wrapper and I went upstairs and I was like, fuck
Speaker 2: me up, show me something, and I saw a WiFi barbecue.
Speaker 2: I feel like I see i'ms every fucking year, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to see so I didn't even see anything funny.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 5: I was trying to noodle on this idea, like I
Speaker 5: don't think this is the right term, but like AI
Speaker 5: slop product, you know what I'm talking You know, there's
Speaker 5: a real slop.
Speaker 2: Nature to it. It was just like, what is it you
Speaker 2: want a document analysis? Yes?
Speaker 5: Well, also like, well, like an example I'm thinking of
Speaker 5: is like I think it was high sense. Like they
Speaker 5: had a oven and then the oven had like a
Speaker 5: very small display on it, smaller than a phone, and
Speaker 5: they were showing like you could be like I'm in
Speaker 5: the mood for pizza, and then it would like generate
Speaker 5: a pizza recipe for you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So it's like the recipe itself is sloped. But then
Speaker 5: also like the implementation of AI is slopped, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean.
Speaker 2: You're just looking at this tiny little screen. It's like
Speaker 2: roll on the dough.
Speaker 3: It's just and again, and I've made this point before
Speaker 3: on this very podcast earlier today and yesterday, but just
Speaker 3: to reiterate, if you are going to look up a
Speaker 3: pizza recipe, you're gonna look it up on your phone,
Speaker 3: which is a small screen, of course, and then if
Speaker 3: you look it up on you're smart oven, you are
Speaker 3: also looking it up on a small screen. It is
Speaker 3: not eliminating any step in the process or any screen
Speaker 3: in the.
Speaker 2: So it'll it will turn the oven on for you.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck this, fuck it'll turn the oven on.
Speaker 2: Fuck this happened to you? And just bashing.
Speaker 3: If damn woman, I know this instinctive, but I do
Speaker 3: not make happen.
Speaker 2: It's like a Tim Rubinson bit, what do I do?
Speaker 2: What do I know? And then the street goes to
Speaker 2: turn on oven. Finally, It's like the thing they keep
Speaker 2: coming back to that I actually liked was just a
Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars TV with a boot and soundbar with
Speaker 2: like micro led. I was just like, fuck, yeah, great, awesome.
Speaker 2: TVs are getting thinner and they're getting soundbars in them,
Speaker 2: and that's why everything has AI in it, because it's
Speaker 2: very clear that it's becoming really cheap to make thin
Speaker 2: and big, good looking televisions. The actual difference between like
Speaker 2: a fancy fucking LG one and a combination of different
Speaker 2: letters you can buy on Amazon that most people can't
Speaker 2: fucking tell them.
Speaker 5: Sorry, it's it's that is that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 5: But yeah, there's like micro led and now MI micro RGB.
Speaker 2: I don't know, uh, both of them.
Speaker 5: If you stand in front of them, it looks like
Speaker 5: you're like looking into the eye of God, but like
Speaker 5: they're kind of the same.
Speaker 2: But I kind of I love it. I genuinely, genuinely
Speaker 2: love the fact that like a good looking TV's easy
Speaker 2: yeah now, and you can get them everyone. They're really
Speaker 2: like really good, Like even the kind of cheap cheap
Speaker 2: ones are pretty good. Like, yeah, I can not. It's
Speaker 2: the difference because I stare at screens all the time.
Speaker 2: But I think most people would be really happy otherwise
Speaker 2: I'm just like show I wanna like some I genuinely
Speaker 2: I would love to. I would love to be taken
Speaker 2: by the magic of cees. It doesn't the magic's got
Speaker 2: like it.
Speaker 3: What do you think would other than a laundry folding robot?
Speaker 3: What do you think would like what would take you
Speaker 3: what would so?
Speaker 2: I think anyway, there are like magical ideas they've had,
Speaker 2: like wireless power that it fill hiss me talking about
Speaker 2: who come and fucking kill me? But like wireless power,
Speaker 2: Bluetooth that works, perhaps unbreakable Bluetooth would be very popular
Speaker 2: at c yes where Bluetooth My fucking headphones come out constantly,
Speaker 2: like something like that might be kind of a boring demo,
Speaker 2: but it's like I don't know a Wi Fi router
Speaker 2: that doesn't stop working after six months, Like every problem
Speaker 2: is just like shit sucks.
Speaker 5: TP link has a router with a AI agent now
Speaker 5: that you can talk to.
Speaker 2: That's cool. I go to TP deco.
Speaker 5: TP link deco I had to throw away because also
Speaker 5: fucking if I won't work, but you can like kiel
Speaker 5: at it and therapy for.
Speaker 2: You from TP link. You listen to this deco, fucking sucks.
Speaker 2: It blows you suck. I spend so much money on that.
Speaker 2: I can't even fucking ceremony. By goddamn, did you.
Speaker 1: See that Kia smart home stuff?
Speaker 2: No tell me tell me about that.
Speaker 1: So that was one that we thought was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: A couple of my colleagues saw it. It was they have
Speaker 1: a whole new line of like smart plugs, smart light bulbs,
Speaker 1: like okay, connected home stuff very like kind of boring,
Speaker 1: but the stuff that you want for I Kia, like
Speaker 1: cheap connected light bulbs and smart plugs that will actually
Speaker 1: work and like work with real IoT standards that you
Speaker 1: want and not you I don't know if anyone here
Speaker 1: has tried to install smart bulbs in their homes and
Speaker 1: they're they're extremely expensive, or they're like really cheap like
Speaker 1: off brand ones from Amazon that never end up working,
Speaker 1: or like the app breaks the company goes under, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you kind of want a company that's used to making
Speaker 1: forty million of everything, Yeah, this kind of thing, because
Speaker 1: then you just know it's always like.
Speaker 4: An industrial Yeah it's gonna work, and it will.
Speaker 3: They can do it at scale in a way that
Speaker 3: makes us be able to pay a reasonable price.
Speaker 5: We have we have four light bulbs in our bedroom,
Speaker 5: and so I will be like Alexa, turn off the
Speaker 5: lights and about about like ten percent of the time
Speaker 5: one of the lights will stay on.
Speaker 2: Of the four, I have Lotron in my house, and
Speaker 2: one day the bulx just stopped connecting, so I just
Speaker 2: have to use the fucking light switch and I'm so
Speaker 2: spiteful that I just refuse. But wait, it sounds like
Speaker 2: this stuns work though, Carissa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't tried them, but I mean it's akia
Speaker 1: so I feel like we have I have, I have
Speaker 1: decent amount of confidence.
Speaker 2: That Okay, they can do this, I hope.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have some smart light bulbs in my
Speaker 1: home and they're like an off brand Chinese one, and
Speaker 1: they're the kind you can change color, and we set
Speaker 1: them to specific colors for the specific rooms, but we
Speaker 1: can never change them back. And then like every few months,
Speaker 1: like the app breaks and then they like the totally
Speaker 1: wrong color and then we just can't use those lights until.
Speaker 4: We fix it.
Speaker 1: It's so far.
Speaker 2: It's like the product I want from cs is ship
Speaker 2: that just works and they don't care. It's that's a
Speaker 2: shame as well, because I actually like the smart home stuff,
Speaker 2: like the Roseanne Clapper, except you use your voice. It's
Speaker 2: it's fun, it's good. But again, one thing breaks. It's
Speaker 2: like Wi Fi that works. I don't think that'll make
Speaker 2: a good But I was looking through your eng Gadget
Speaker 2: coverage and I want to talk about the the Dreamy
Speaker 2: Robot vacuum with the legs the X Yes, what are
Speaker 2: these legs? Tell me? How do they do? They protrude?
Speaker 2: Do they crawl? Like?
Speaker 1: So the promotional image they sent me at first had
Speaker 1: it kind of like standing upright like a spider on
Speaker 1: these legs, but they're sort of like more like treads
Speaker 1: like legs that kind of have these like rubber treads.
Speaker 1: And so when I saw it move, it most more
Speaker 1: like a tank. It kind of rolls up the stairs
Speaker 1: and down the stairs.
Speaker 2: What they look like little chain saws. It's like chainsaw man.
Speaker 1: It's terrifying. When was not clear though, is that that
Speaker 1: whole unit with the legs is actually just like a
Speaker 1: little like docking station for the actual robot vacuum.
Speaker 2: It's like a vehicle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the actual robot vacum like like zooms in
Speaker 1: there and like parks itself, and then the thing goes
Speaker 1: up the stairs and then it can send out the
Speaker 1: robot to actually do the vacuuming. What this means though,
Speaker 1: is that it can't actually clean the stairs themselves. Apparently
Speaker 1: rubo rocks can climb and vacuum the stairs. This one,
Speaker 1: which is just a concept, can just like move up.
Speaker 2: I'm showing everyone just for the listeners at home. I'm
Speaker 2: showing everyone a video which works really well. It's a concept,
Speaker 2: so I'm giving them some affordance for how slow this is.
Speaker 2: I find this kind of cool. I kind of like, like,
Speaker 2: you know what, when it comes to robot vacuums, I'm
Speaker 2: oddly like generous, especially because this is just like very
Speaker 2: fun to watch. It's like kind of shoving its crotch
Speaker 2: into the stairs. It slides up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then when it term makes that bend and
Speaker 1: it starts to go down, it's kind of funny because
Speaker 1: it's sort of like half of it goes up.
Speaker 2: I think that's cool. I think it's go Yeah.
Speaker 5: People, I've asked for years for a robot vacuum that
Speaker 5: can do like multiple floors.
Speaker 2: Without having to pick it up, and I like him.
Speaker 2: I just find the robot rock that I have doesn't
Speaker 2: clean dust sometimes, which is a classic exhibit of the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know what, I feel like robot vacuums are
Speaker 2: like the state, Like they're the like block and tackle
Speaker 2: of cees. You see. I've been seeing robot vacuum s.
Speaker 2: If he is, it's like watching him keep going, like watching.
Speaker 4: Hey little buddy. Yeah, I get doing.
Speaker 2: Oh you got a fucking arm now. Nice.
Speaker 3: I feel so biased against robot vacuums because I think
Speaker 3: I've like lived with the roomate who had one and
Speaker 3: it never worked. Yeah, that was like one experience a
Speaker 3: long time ago. But uh, just like less than a
Speaker 3: month ago, I shot a whole production piece in Denver,
Speaker 3: and our whole small crew was staying in one big
Speaker 3: Airbnb in like this big, big, fancy house in Denver,
Speaker 3: and they had robot vacuums on every floor because for
Speaker 3: this exact reason. So I bet these people would love
Speaker 3: robot vacuums. Second climb stairs, but they didn't turn off.
Speaker 3: I don't know fucking why. Whatever it was, all of
Speaker 3: these robot vacuums were programmed to turn on at midnight,
Speaker 3: and they were so loud and so scary, and you
Speaker 3: had no idea what was going on. And so we,
Speaker 3: like my boyfriend and I were sleeping in a bed
Speaker 3: here functionally and just we were asleep, and then from
Speaker 3: that far away you just hear this horrible like us
Speaker 3: and then downstairs, Uh what my one of our crew,
Speaker 3: who was staying in the basement, her robot vacuum actually
Speaker 3: pushed her door open came into her room in the
Speaker 3: middle of the night, and she was like, I genuinely
Speaker 3: thought I had an invader, like a home vide. I
Speaker 3: thought I was going to be assaulted, and it's just
Speaker 3: a room ba.
Speaker 2: Horrifying.
Speaker 4: I would never have to have a personal vendetta against
Speaker 4: my vacuum.
Speaker 2: It's also just like the problem is is that, like
Speaker 2: every robot thing, it's the edge cases, it's the ship
Speaker 2: between the corners. That's actually the problem. When it comes
Speaker 2: to sweeping the floor, that's prett easy. If you have
Speaker 2: a perfectly flat surface, it's good. It's just like we
Speaker 2: all want it to work. Have you tried any of
Speaker 2: the wet dry ones? You've seen those.
Speaker 5: I'm intrigued by them, but I've never just the idea
Speaker 5: of like having a little robot looking just spooge on
Speaker 5: my floor feels like.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't they already seem to do pretty bad
Speaker 2: with the brushes. I don't want them to like, sorry, ejaculate.
Speaker 2: It's like an aqui. God, yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: All right, Oh buddy, you got excited.
Speaker 2: Calm down.
Speaker 5: I think that's kind of you know, that's the core
Speaker 5: disconnective cs, right, Like you just want stuff that works
Speaker 5: a little better. Yeah, and that's not something that you
Speaker 5: can have a CS like it finally works.
Speaker 2: It's not really did more but didn't work. That's often
Speaker 2: what it is though. That's another.
Speaker 1: More did dreamy vacuum with the arm. It can change
Speaker 1: out the arm. It has a little cubby in its
Speaker 1: station and it can change out the little claw thing
Speaker 1: for like a vacuum nozzle and like reach the arm
Speaker 1: up and like suck. Well it's not that long, but
Speaker 1: it can like go into corners or little spots that.
Speaker 4: That's what can see. How can it where it needs
Speaker 4: to go?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I asked them at their booth because
Speaker 1: they were demonstrating the kind of claw arm just sort
Speaker 1: of picking up balls and putting them in a basket.
Speaker 1: And I asked them if they could show me it
Speaker 1: going to fetch its little attachments, and they said, no.
Speaker 2: They don't work. That just means they don't work. That
Speaker 2: doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: They looked very alarmed, and I asked, like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, one's awesome. That's I love these moments though,
Speaker 2: where you can see nobody, like there's like two thousand
Speaker 2: members of the media and it's being like, can you
Speaker 2: show me it do that?
Speaker 4: Keep asking but who cares?
Speaker 3: When they tell me something? Because I just have so little.
Speaker 2: Repercussions for being This is why I asked, did anyone
Speaker 2: have an answer?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: It usually takes them like a couple It takes me
Speaker 3: a couple tries, and then I would say probably two
Speaker 3: thirds of people have got have been able to answer
Speaker 3: the but who cares?
Speaker 2: Question?
Speaker 3: But it's just so it's so clear that like nobody's prepared.
Speaker 3: And I understand that I'm being like incredibly brusque about it,
Speaker 3: but I'm also like, I don't know, man, you should.
Speaker 4: Have an answer for that.
Speaker 2: I feel like you should. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I Like there was one like cable stand where it's
Speaker 3: like it looks really fancy and he's telling me all
Speaker 3: about it, and I was like, as far as I
Speaker 3: could glean, the only thing special about the cable was
Speaker 3: you can make it extra long.
Speaker 4: Hm, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, are you saying like you can
Speaker 3: change out the heads of the cable and you can
Speaker 3: whatever what they were like all these little pieces and
Speaker 3: then he was like, no, no, it's all the same head.
Speaker 3: You can't change it out. It's only USBC. But you
Speaker 3: can connect them, and I was like, so it's.
Speaker 2: Just really long connect.
Speaker 3: Two USBC cables to each other to make a long
Speaker 3: USBC cables and wound And I was like, but who cares?
Speaker 4: Like why not just buy a lot?
Speaker 2: Sure? I guess I no, I get it.
Speaker 3: Like there, it's just this kind of stuff where it's like,
Speaker 3: I just want to know the answer to.
Speaker 2: Is so what? It's kind of alarming that everyone doesn't
Speaker 2: have that answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I yeah, I understand that I am being annoying in
Speaker 3: your face, and.
Speaker 2: I get that you're saying that and you're being nice,
Speaker 2: but also this feels like you should just be able
Speaker 2: to explain really totally, really easy totally, because otherwise you
Speaker 2: paid like twenty five thousand dollars a day to be
Speaker 2: in like the South Hole to show off the goob
Speaker 2: is microwave with AI or whatever. It's cold.
Speaker 5: There's often there is often that question when you're looking
Speaker 5: at something, it's like, well, why couldn't I just do this?
Speaker 2: And then I don't know?
Speaker 5: Yeah neither the day yeah yeah yeah, Well, like like
Speaker 5: I was at Lenovo's booth today and they have their
Speaker 5: own day they to I think I talked about this
Speaker 5: last year too, Like they got cool hardware stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to hear please, that sounds fun.
Speaker 5: They have a gaming laptop. It's a concept, of course,
Speaker 5: but some to their credit, some of those concept things they.
Speaker 2: Tell Henry Casey was mentioning the toning screen, they actually
Speaker 2: made yes.
Speaker 5: And then they have a gaming laptop that goes from
Speaker 5: like regular sixteen by nine into like ultra wide.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, yeah, I fucking love that shit. I know,
Speaker 2: I love that shit. Great. It's like probably insanely expensive.
Speaker 2: But so what I'm guessing is it like you pull
Speaker 2: out the sit it's a rollable display. If you just
Speaker 2: press a button in it, let's fucking go. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Consumer Electronics shows showed me some weird shit. Great, that
Speaker 5: was like in the back. And then they have an
Speaker 5: AI chatbot for Winds.
Speaker 2: What is the reason they claim that is?
Speaker 5: I could not get an answer. What did he balance that? Uh?
Speaker 5: Usual AI stuff like.
Speaker 2: You have a document? You have a document.
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's like you have a document and then you
Speaker 5: ask about the document and it tells you about the document,
Speaker 5: summarizes your notification. And it was like it was like, well,
Speaker 5: why wouldn't I just use you know, copilot or chat
Speaker 5: ept and there wasn't really a clear.
Speaker 2: Get him out of here, get him out of here now,
Speaker 2: just you'll leaves. Gods, yeah, that's They.
Speaker 5: Also had people telling me that it was on device
Speaker 5: language models, and then like the product manager was like,
Speaker 5: oh no, that's that's incorrect.
Speaker 2: So large language models traditionally are run in the clouds,
Speaker 2: so you have to have a persistent Internet connection. There
Speaker 2: are on device language models that require a ship ton
Speaker 2: of RAM to run because large language models are extremely rand.
Speaker 8: Depending are you are have you downloaded the Actually I don't.
Speaker 8: Most people seeing the stupidest question, have you downloaded a
Speaker 8: file that is the size of the large language?
Speaker 2: Amight it?
Speaker 4: Like do you are you holding the whole?
Speaker 2: No? No, they not in this case they the product manager.
Speaker 5: Yes, in this case they were not. In theory, yeah,
Speaker 5: you would have to have this like pretty powerful computer
Speaker 5: in a lot of space and whatever, and it still
Speaker 5: wouldn't work as well as like chatty.
Speaker 2: Yeah would take it.
Speaker 5: But then and then you would and but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was asking about it because you're dealing with like
Speaker 5: they were taking screenshots of what you were doing so
Speaker 5: that they could summarize and this like I don't really
Speaker 5: want that data going up who knows where.
Speaker 2: So it's like, finally you can tell me what I'm
Speaker 2: looking at? Yeah, how else would I know I'm not
Speaker 2: looking at? That's such a ship because Lenovo makes some
Speaker 2: reliable share and that was the legion go their handheld
Speaker 2: gaming pieces. Pretty cool them anything like that. No new
Speaker 2: gaming handheld stuff this year? Well, thank god? Would using
Speaker 2: all the world's high bandwidth RAM to generate various wife
Speaker 2: tunes like it's It's just such a shame. Now, Chris,
Speaker 2: I'm going to change the weird company to choose for
Speaker 2: something that is actually kind of interesting. Matt is doing
Speaker 2: some stuff with this armband, right, and I was nearly
Speaker 2: ready to make fun of it as an autistic myself.
Speaker 2: But this one that can see facial gestures, can you,
Speaker 2: or like emotions and such for the blind though, Yes.
Speaker 1: So this is actually a startup that is so the
Speaker 1: startup is independent for Meta, but they made this risk
Speaker 1: based like wearable device that's supposed to work in conjunction
Speaker 1: with metas smart glasses. So the ideas that you're wearing
Speaker 1: Meta smart glasses. They have these kind of like real
Speaker 1: time AI capabilities. So I'm talking to you the videos on.
Speaker 1: That's going back to an app that's run by this startup. Right,
Speaker 1: the app can detect They have these models to detect
Speaker 1: kind of like facial expressions, gestures. There's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff you can customize, right, and then this wristband
Speaker 1: will send a signal to the risk and it vibrates
Speaker 1: in different patterns based on like if you do a
Speaker 1: thumbs up, it might vibrate like in a certain way
Speaker 1: if you do it thumbs down, or you frown or you.
Speaker 2: You know, for someone who's visually impaired. Yeah, actually sounds
Speaker 2: quite useful.
Speaker 3: If somebody is talking to a blind person and they
Speaker 3: give a thumbs up that person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually that's a that's a good point anybody. That's
Speaker 2: a good point.
Speaker 3: Anybody who thinks that they can communicate with a blind
Speaker 3: person via hand gesture should be walked off.
Speaker 2: You are doing the jack off gesture at me. My
Speaker 2: armband's fucking telling me you're just doing this with your hand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I just.
Speaker 1: Could do your subtle ones too. And I think it's
Speaker 1: also they said that you know there's people who you know,
Speaker 1: they're talking to their kids and they're like, oh, I
Speaker 1: never get that feedback from my kids, like knowing how
Speaker 1: they're Yeah, that's another expressions.
Speaker 4: They did get back in line.
Speaker 1: No, No, they did say that. Yeah, they think that perhaps
Speaker 1: there's a use case for people who are nerodivergent who
Speaker 1: just like could see the facial expression but just like
Speaker 1: don't know what it means.
Speaker 2: But I say this as someone with autism. If I
Speaker 2: heard someone's say that to me, they might be blind
Speaker 2: by the end of the conversation. I will say this,
Speaker 2: if you're a visually impaired listener to the show, I
Speaker 2: would actually love easy at Better offline dot com please
Speaker 2: email me because I can see, like I don't experience
Speaker 2: your life. I'm actually genuinely curious if these things happened,
Speaker 2: because I know last year there was this cane that
Speaker 2: talked and we kind of like like like we made
Speaker 2: fun of it, but it was like people were like, no,
Speaker 2: this is actually really useful, and I want to know
Speaker 2: because I don't want to give people shit for something
Speaker 2: that's actually useful. The fact they're mentioning the near I
Speaker 2: divergent thing really fucking pisses me off, though, because that
Speaker 2: is like the experience of someone who does not have
Speaker 2: autism or anything related to that, because it's just like,
Speaker 2: that's not how it fucking works. We're not sitting there
Speaker 2: like with what is the bloke from Light to Me
Speaker 2: where it's just looking from micro expressions. Nobody saw that show. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: it's just mostly it's just Tim Roth going you lie
Speaker 2: in mate, and then like every scene is cut between,
Speaker 2: like like a picture of like Colin Powell and Bill Clinton,
Speaker 2: Like frowning at someone is like frowning if they should
Speaker 2: have the light to be blowke at CEUs. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm it's weird. Meta seems to have like oddly
Speaker 2: interesting accessibility stuff though, like who works over there? It's
Speaker 2: like they seem to be trying something there. And then
Speaker 2: there's all the other stuff that Meta does, like ten
Speaker 2: percent of their revenue being from fraud twenty four, which
Speaker 2: is real.
Speaker 3: Does that mean that, like somebody high up in some
Speaker 3: pyramid at Meta is actually well intentioned?
Speaker 2: Yes? I mean, like I must be clear, I think
Speaker 2: Meta is a deeply evil organization run by a scumbag.
Speaker 2: And when when Mark Zuckerberg, I assume from natural causes,
Speaker 2: passes from this world or for a fucking party for
Speaker 2: that piece of shit. That being said, there are people
Speaker 2: a meta I'm familiar with inaccessibility, in particular, you actually
Speaker 2: give a ship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just they're not
Speaker 2: running the company, and I think it might be sadly
Speaker 2: like an after effect of the larger product. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, if there's some fucking good from me,
Speaker 2: it's just it's hard to get excited about something from that. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: It's like, actually, because like my the only meta product
Speaker 2: I unashamedly loved was the Portal. Was great, but it's
Speaker 2: because it could it like it was a very It's
Speaker 2: weirdly hard to find a thing to call someone from
Speaker 2: a TV and like on Christmas, my kid and I
Speaker 2: might call my parents and it's like it's easy for
Speaker 2: my dad and my mom to work and they just
Speaker 2: click and it works, and they of course discontinued this
Speaker 2: product because meta is Yeah, meta is not about connecting
Speaker 2: you to people. It's about showing you either like dogs
Speaker 2: barking or like dog whistles. Mostly AI dog's barking at
Speaker 2: this point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like the worst AI s I generated like sprouts
Speaker 5: another head and then that that head starts barking.
Speaker 2: So I'm like being like reverse gang stalk by meta. Though,
Speaker 2: because I don't get any AI slow. Oh really, I've
Speaker 2: never been shown any.
Speaker 3: I don't know that I get shown AI stuff.
Speaker 2: I've seen other people's feets and they are just like, yes,
Speaker 2: I have a friend who's it's exclusively AI. I get
Speaker 2: like I get gen Z people being like showing a
Speaker 2: clearly homeless person pictures of like brain raw and this
Speaker 2: person in distress, just being like why am I being
Speaker 2: harassed by a man with broccoli hair and eight cameras
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh God. But luckily I've trained my things,
Speaker 2: so all they get is like silk and wind howls
Speaker 2: now like shout out to Chloe and Abby and all
Speaker 2: those wonderful dogs. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. Just
Speaker 2: moving on. But yeah, like I've had to train my feed.
Speaker 2: But it's a shame because it's like I guess, at
Speaker 2: some scale with a company like that, you do eventually
Speaker 2: do a good thing, just most of the other things
Speaker 2: are bad. Do they still support the portal? Does it work?
Speaker 2: It works? For now?
Speaker 4: What is the portal?
Speaker 2: It's like, literally, it's just an HDMI camera. You connect
Speaker 2: to your TV and you can connect to someone else.
Speaker 2: It will it works?
Speaker 9: Right, You're looking at it. Yeah, and it follows for
Speaker 9: your TV. Yeah, and it follows you like very quite
Speaker 9: well as well. It's like it was a cool product,
Speaker 9: which is why they stopped it because we can't have that.
Speaker 9: We can't be having you connect to people on Facebook.
Speaker 3: No, no, because you know what that does takes you
Speaker 3: off of Facebook.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't be shown the feed. But it's like
Speaker 2: it's interesting to see them try. Shit, It's just there's
Speaker 2: all the other stuff. Also, it's kind of rare to
Speaker 2: see hyperscala here because like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, they don't
Speaker 2: really Amazon will have like a side thingy. I remember
Speaker 2: last year when I had a picture of the smiling
Speaker 2: man on my badge and I went into the Amazon
Speaker 2: thing a woman stopped me and went wows. I mean,
Speaker 2: there are no good reactions to that picture and everyone
Speaker 2: knows it. But yeah, it's it's they usually don't have
Speaker 2: a presence, so mets are trying to do stuff is good,
Speaker 2: Like right now, I'm like try. I guess everyone is
Speaker 2: looking quite pained.
Speaker 1: I mean, the smart glasses are interesting. They you know,
Speaker 1: I've written a lot about this. I have very mixed
Speaker 1: feelings dumb about that because they're genuinely good products. You
Speaker 1: roast me every time I post on my Instagram.
Speaker 2: You don't have roast roast you. I'm nice to you.
Speaker 2: When did I ask grost you? Come on? Now?
Speaker 1: You don't rust me, but I did one time post
Speaker 1: a poll of like do these look good on me?
Speaker 1: And you were like and you were the first and
Speaker 1: instill like.
Speaker 2: It's the royals and glasses but anyway you have complax.
Speaker 1: It's true because they are actually like a good product
Speaker 1: if you use them, they work really well. The a
Speaker 1: some of the AI stuff you're gonna hate this, it's cool.
Speaker 1: The translation features I've used on vacation consistently.
Speaker 2: That's the only feature where like everyone's gonna like that.
Speaker 2: And dictation and stuff is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're good. The display glasses they look unfortunate, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But I've used, but they're using they're kind of cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're cool. They're you know, I tried today. They
Speaker 1: they just launched a handwriting the handwriting feature.
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 1: So you know they use this neural band that you
Speaker 1: can control gestures.
Speaker 2: So if you sell of the glasses, you put them
Speaker 2: on and you control it with the wristband. Just for
Speaker 2: party site.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of do little swipes and that's how
Speaker 1: you control the interface.
Speaker 2: It works pretty well, and it does.
Speaker 1: And so up to now, if you get like a
Speaker 1: What'sapp message and you want to reply, basically you have
Speaker 1: to like use your voice to dictate or reply. So
Speaker 1: now what they're going to do is they have a
Speaker 1: future it's feature called handwriting, where you can basically just
Speaker 1: trace letters with your hand, like on any like on
Speaker 1: your leg, on a table, you know, just say cool,
Speaker 1: like just do the letters and then that will appear
Speaker 1: on screen. And I try to say it was actually
Speaker 1: like it worked really well. It did not work with cursive,
Speaker 1: although I'm the only old person who probably would even
Speaker 1: try that.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, I mean that's I cannot, like I just
Speaker 2: practice a physical, physical disability, where like writing is one
Speaker 2: of the worst things. It's like eventually painful. I kind
Speaker 2: of want to go and hunt this down just to
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, let's fucking go, mate, I have a disability.
Speaker 2: Let's go. But actually, you know, maybe it works, but wait,
Speaker 2: so do it's how you write them? Do you do
Speaker 2: it by letter?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, so you just do a letter by letter
Speaker 1: and then when you want to do a space, you
Speaker 1: do like a left to right. When you want to
Speaker 1: delete something, you can go right to left.
Speaker 2: I'm oddly like intrigued by this because there's when they
Speaker 2: brought Swipe. I don't remember Swipe. It's like when you
Speaker 2: just drag the it's now fairly common, but it like
Speaker 2: that works pretty well. Oh yeah, I love it. I'm
Speaker 2: kind of like, all right, Meta, if you want to
Speaker 2: do one whole booth for swipe, a c that they
Speaker 2: did one year Swipe, I think actually have like a
Speaker 2: small booth. Yeah, it sounds like something plausible and I
Speaker 2: just mandela affected into the world, just like YouTube videos
Speaker 2: popping up. No, it's I I can't believe, like Meta
Speaker 2: fucking Meta is the company that brought something that worked
Speaker 2: to ces. Oh god, it's like it's like a three
Speaker 2: headed dog being born. Disgusting.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think what you were what you were
Speaker 3: saying earlier about basically the trend is the most pragmatic
Speaker 3: things are the things that actually will help the world
Speaker 3: and the consumers actually want and actually need, But they
Speaker 3: just are the least shiny and they get the least
Speaker 3: positive feedback and they hit the fewest headlines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you allow me to tell a brief story,
Speaker 2: please please close out this there.
Speaker 3: This is okay, Here we go. I think, I think
Speaker 3: we you're for the first minute of this, you're gonna
Speaker 3: go why are you telling this story? And then I
Speaker 3: think you will understand. For my wonderful boyfriend's birthday earlier
Speaker 3: this year, I had a couple grand plans. I have
Speaker 3: this like very vivid memory of him having when we
Speaker 3: first started dating a couple of years ago, having this
Speaker 3: like plug by his bed that had multi chords coming
Speaker 3: out of it, like a little octopus set up kind
Speaker 3: of thing, and he would move it from next to
Speaker 3: his bed to his office and then from his office
Speaker 3: to wherever we were going. And I two years ago
Speaker 3: I was like, it would be awesome to get him
Speaker 3: a second one of those so.
Speaker 4: That he didn't have to move it around.
Speaker 3: And then he also thinks that the Eminem's store in
Speaker 3: Times Square is very funny, and so I was like,
Speaker 3: I also will get him some Eminem's store branded merchandise, okay,
Speaker 3: And then I think I had a third idea right
Speaker 3: that I don't remember now. And then it was the
Speaker 3: day before my boyfriend lives in London. It was a
Speaker 3: day before I was It was the day I think
Speaker 3: it was the day that I was flying to London.
Speaker 3: Had not any of this. Went to the Times Square
Speaker 3: store in London, the Eminem I'm sorry, the eminem story
Speaker 3: in Times Square. Uh, couldn't find anything that he would want.
Speaker 3: Got him a pair of boxer shorts that I knew
Speaker 3: he wouldn't like. It's not the type that he wears.
Speaker 3: But I was like I at this point, I really
Speaker 3: have backed myself into a corner. Landed in London, went
Speaker 3: immediately to multiple department stores looking for this type of
Speaker 3: cable whatever. None of them had the setup that I wanted.
Speaker 3: I wound up buying what's the fancy It's like Macy's.
Speaker 4: No, it's like a step down from that.
Speaker 3: It's a two word, two name, John w John Lewis, John.
Speaker 2: I fucking wish yees.
Speaker 3: So he went to John Wallas, went John Watis, went
Speaker 3: to John Lewis, bought him a plug and two cables
Speaker 3: that all were sold separately. Couldn't figure out what the
Speaker 3: third like, couldn't find the third thing whatever. I wound
Speaker 3: up for his birthday and just for context, the year
Speaker 3: before he had turned forty and I had gotten him
Speaker 3: a vintage Tottenham Hotspur which is the soccer team that
Speaker 3: he supports warm up jacket from the year that he
Speaker 3: became a fan of nineteen eighty three, like went hunted
Speaker 3: on eBay, found the exactly it was this incredible gift.
Speaker 3: And this year I brought him Eminem's boxers and a
Speaker 3: plug and two chords. And he was like, you are
Speaker 3: the idiot husband and I am the long suffering wife.
Speaker 3: And fair point. But the entire point of this story
Speaker 3: is out of all of the presents I have gotten
Speaker 3: him over the last two years, you want to know
Speaker 3: what he fucking uses every fucking day, the cable and
Speaker 3: the cables. And I'm like, see, it wasn't a bad present.
Speaker 2: And you are still the fucking husband. You're still the husband.
Speaker 2: You're still the husband who got the gift. They're like, look,
Speaker 2: it's good, it's good, and it was expensive. Stop muttering
Speaker 2: onto your breath when I mentioned Christmas. All right, We're
Speaker 2: going to rotight to our next guest. The next advertisement
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. I'm met Zeitron. I'm joined
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Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: Hello, Jared Newman of the Advisory to newsletter. I'm Robert
Speaker 2: Evans of Behind the Bastards. I am loving the drive
Speaker 2: time radio DJ version. I'm really enjoyed. A yeah, I really,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be everyone not for me. Have you
Speaker 2: taken reader questions? I would love them. If you want
Speaker 2: to easier better offline dot com, I'll answer all your questions. No,
Speaker 2: I've been Daniel Goodman my producer. Sorry, my producer is Mattsowski,
Speaker 2: but Daniel producers went in person. It's not a fan
Speaker 2: and be heat as well. Nevertheless, we've been working on it.
Speaker 2: But I think the idea of like a drivetime show
Speaker 2: with me is a really, you don't need to you
Speaker 2: don't want to have that on. Holy Force come out
Speaker 2: of the world. But Robert, you've got a stack of
Speaker 2: paper in your crusading against trees. I do, I do.
Speaker 2: I hate trees.
Speaker 6: I love printed advertisements for products that are going to
Speaker 6: destroy the company releasing them. Yes, and I've been collecting
Speaker 6: quite a few. These are just the ones that I
Speaker 6: managed to grab out of my bag quickly.
Speaker 2: Nice, but talk to me about some of the things
Speaker 2: you've seen today.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, easily the most impressive product that's at
Speaker 6: the show today and there's a wide variety of stuff.
Speaker 6: There's like apparently some sort of like magnetically fired net
Speaker 6: gun for taking out drones. Okay, you know there's all
Speaker 6: sorts of incredible like different like in smart vehicle product
Speaker 6: or products like different kind of electric engines, and like
Speaker 6: all sorts of crazy new battery and solar technology. But
Speaker 6: it's the AI that's really set off the convention this year.
Speaker 6: Everyone's talking about AI and there's no AI product that
Speaker 6: people are talking about more than AI Moon, the world's
Speaker 6: first zodia AI faery. I mean obvious, please, like look
Speaker 6: at the I mean I would describe them as like
Speaker 6: if a furry that's not a nice joke, furrey head
Speaker 6: fetal alcohol syndrome, right, Like that's that's kind of like
Speaker 6: how these look to me. I don't mean that like negative,
Speaker 6: it's just a description. Yeah, And these are these are
Speaker 6: to replace your astrologer. You know, they're trying to get
Speaker 6: rid of astrology.
Speaker 2: They're coming off a scam. They're coming after the scam artists. Today,
Speaker 2: the newspapers are gonna shut down. They already told classified
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 6: And I, for one thing, I cannot tell how much
Speaker 6: is AI generated of the pictures of people in this brochure.
Speaker 2: Everything looks a little wrong to me. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: They brat that they have a pro prietary astrology engine
Speaker 6: with a berth horoscope and a composite chart analysis, a
Speaker 6: long term memory system so it gets to know you
Speaker 6: better with every chat, and a personalized personality that's customizable
Speaker 6: based on user data. They're good as friends, as emotional comfort.
Speaker 6: They brag that it can help you cure certain problems
Speaker 6: that you might have. Uh so I'm gonna say the
Speaker 6: other ad I've got. Yes, I'm gonna say Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't think the audience could possibly
Speaker 2: know how low resolution it's like. And you've got some Yeah,
Speaker 2: here's the thing, because there's like astrology where it's like
Speaker 2: based on like when you were born and more times,
Speaker 2: and like there's always like thoughts. This is not that,
Speaker 2: this is like various photos. They're not okay, this is
Speaker 2: like did they photo show this thing in that's what
Speaker 2: They don't quite look right.
Speaker 6: And I can't tell if that's just because they used
Speaker 6: AI photos or if there's just like a deep well
Speaker 6: of madness at the same.
Speaker 2: These are these physical objects.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they're little furbye sized objects that give you
Speaker 6: our like horoscope chatbots that are supposed to like learn
Speaker 6: and evolve the more they work with you. And they're
Speaker 6: also supposed to like counsel you and be like quasi therapists.
Speaker 6: So they had like four different arc types of these
Speaker 6: robots that they were advising. One is the relationship advisor
Speaker 6: filter out toxic, filter out the toxic, making the ones
Speaker 6: you loved, making the sorry, making the ones you love
Speaker 6: cherish you even more, which is a weird sentence first off,
Speaker 6: like okay, sure. And this one is sharp tongued, emotionally rich,
Speaker 6: sharp intuition, strong empathy, and sensible and obviously it's a Scorpio.
Speaker 6: And then the Capricorn one is your career lucky charm.
Speaker 6: It cures overthinking, which might be a violation of FDA advertising,
Speaker 6: cures in action, masters, hustling, and career building.
Speaker 2: I want to know how cues in action just by
Speaker 2: it's so horrifying you make it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I need to get up and leave my house
Speaker 6: to get away for it from the doll.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then there's the joyful protector cap onuncech to ditch
Speaker 6: the mental overloads, stay upbeaten, carefree, twenty four to seven,
Speaker 6: and I really wanted to try these out, but they
Speaker 6: did not seem to be functioning. At least the demo
Speaker 6: I got, I couldn't really hear it and it I connected,
Speaker 6: it just like wasn't connecting. I guess like that's been
Speaker 6: an issue because I've tried a bunch of different we
Speaker 6: slapped and we gave access to jim Andi or to
Speaker 6: fucking chat GPT, to a ring or to a pencil
Speaker 6: or something like that, and most of the ones when
Speaker 6: I'd ask like can I try it, They're like, well,
Speaker 6: the signal's not really working right now, like because it's been.
Speaker 2: A lot though, because the Wi Fi doesn't work and
Speaker 2: all these things are off device. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, and that's one of the products that I did
Speaker 6: really like was from a I initially just discovered the
Speaker 6: company because I saw their name and I was like,
Speaker 6: that can't be an American company because they would not
Speaker 6: have picked this name. And it's for they do translation
Speaker 6: based AI products and the company's name is trans Aia,
Speaker 6: So I just looked. I just kind of like that
Speaker 6: got me looking. But then their products were actually really
Speaker 6: really neat. They had a device that's like a transcription tool.
Speaker 6: It's about the size of a smartphone. It's got the screen,
Speaker 6: it looks nice. It's got a swiveling camera that has
Speaker 6: like a little engine on it, and so you can
Speaker 6: just set it down when you're doing an interview and
Speaker 6: it'll transcribe that. But it also it acts as a translator.
Speaker 6: It's got like one hundred and fifty languages, like you
Speaker 6: can have Translate Concrete, which.
Speaker 2: A bunch of products actually sounds a ton of people.
Speaker 2: And this was on I remember them saying this was
Speaker 2: all on device, and it's on device.
Speaker 6: That's what I really liked because a lot of people
Speaker 6: are offering this is a translator, but it's in the
Speaker 6: cloud or it's it's you're literally like chat GPT's on
Speaker 6: it too, and like, so you want me to have
Speaker 6: like interviews that might be sensitive and then throw that
Speaker 6: shit back to chat GPT or elsewhere on the No,
Speaker 6: I want it on device.
Speaker 2: And especially with these cheap companies, you know they're not
Speaker 2: paying the extra.
Speaker 6: To keep it so diope, yeah, and that will be
Speaker 6: trans Ai is going to have this out there if
Speaker 6: you just google Transai Kickstarter. They've got a Kickstarter going
Speaker 6: to fund this device, which I didn't get to test
Speaker 6: it fully, I did get to like whole and look
Speaker 6: at it. It seemed at least physically well made, like
Speaker 6: it's a good industrial design. I can't well I did.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's only so much you can try standing around.
Speaker 6: They did give me, though, a set of wireless earbuds
Speaker 6: that are automatic translators that's supposed so I am going
Speaker 6: to get to try that out like that, so we'll
Speaker 6: see how.
Speaker 2: Well it works device as well.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, those are those are because they're just
Speaker 6: little earbuds, right. But it may it may just be
Speaker 6: though that the downloads enough onto your phone. I'm not
Speaker 6: I haven't gotten to try that yet.
Speaker 2: But I feel like in a few years, anything that's
Speaker 2: left of the air Bubble will all be on device,
Speaker 2: just because nobody trusts this shit right well, and just yeah,
Speaker 2: nobody wants to pay for it.
Speaker 6: No one wants to pay for it, and for stuff
Speaker 6: that's really crucial, like being a like if you're trying
Speaker 6: to sell like you can have conversations when you're traveling
Speaker 6: around the world, maybe in like weird off grid locations.
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to have like five G
Speaker 2: We were just saying that earlier. It's like if you're
Speaker 2: in some way where you desperate, you need the translation.
Speaker 2: There's no English speakers around. It's probably also not a
Speaker 2: Wi Fi rich environment. Yeah, and you you have more
Speaker 2: experience of this, I think than anyone. Well, and you'd
Speaker 2: always prefer to have a person. But that's not mean
Speaker 2: always some what else you got in your pile of papers? Okay,
Speaker 2: let's see what? Please? Do I have them? I?
Speaker 6: Well, I've got this book that I can't wait to read,
Speaker 6: Patterns for Building AI Agents by Sam Bogwatt, who is.
Speaker 2: The co founder.
Speaker 6: That's a great name. I think it's it's just a
Speaker 6: normal name. I'm Bogwar, founder and CEO of something called
Speaker 6: Master AI. I don't know what it is, but eleven
Speaker 6: of these we're sitting out at a bus stop on.
Speaker 2: The way to the convention center. So I just went
Speaker 2: ahead and grabbed one, like when you're walking around Brookley
Speaker 2: Fund a scientology thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it might be a cult. I have not
Speaker 6: confirmed it's not a cult.
Speaker 2: Okay, So okay, this guy Patsons for building a saman Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll look at this later and i'll
Speaker 2: tear it. Oh yeah, this is oh actually I can't read.
Speaker 2: This is the sequel to Principles of Building AI Agents
Speaker 2: of Oh, okay, you got to read the first one
Speaker 2: strikes back first. So I found the name.
Speaker 6: This is the device I was talking about, the AI,
Speaker 6: the on the world's first on device AI meeting note taker,
Speaker 6: the trans AI note. You can see, it's like a
Speaker 6: nice looking gadget.
Speaker 2: By the way.
Speaker 5: There was another device called trans AI or trans It's
Speaker 5: just something with trans and AI in the name, and
Speaker 5: it was voice cloning. It was a translator, that translator
Speaker 5: that tried to make your voice sound like it was
Speaker 5: in the other language.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, it was a little undersettling.
Speaker 2: That's that's really good for fraud. Like that really is
Speaker 2: going to fraud.
Speaker 6: So I haven't really wanting to take advantage of a
Speaker 6: lot of French people at scale, and it's just hard
Speaker 6: to do right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just reading this agent book example Coding Agents.
Speaker 2: Replet agent feeds errors back into context and kicks off
Speaker 2: an not mate feedback loop. Based on everything I've ever
Speaker 2: read about that company, that is wrong, just like it.
Speaker 2: Maybe just haven't looked masters.
Speaker 6: There was Oh, there was the cybo pal, which is
Speaker 6: It was one of those products where I can see
Speaker 6: the cool in this, but it doesn't work very well.
Speaker 6: Where it's supposed to be a site tracking, intelligent monitor
Speaker 6: that moves on its own with your.
Speaker 2: Head, Okay, I can see the bottom as you as.
Speaker 6: You like move Now, obviously you don't want it to
Speaker 6: just physically move whenever you move your head, because that
Speaker 6: would be a nightmare. That would like literally be hell,
Speaker 6: like if this gadgets just constant as you're like, I
Speaker 6: gotta like move over, take a hit of a vight
Speaker 6: pen or something. But so they had to figure out, like,
Speaker 6: how can you what is like an easy, seamless, unobtrusive
Speaker 6: way for you to tell this thing to move, And
Speaker 6: they settled on a complex series of different hand gestures
Speaker 6: that you have to use, what like you have to
Speaker 6: go aim at one.
Speaker 2: Of two different sensors.
Speaker 6: And first the lady who was like the pr representative
Speaker 6: that was supposed to show it off, tried to and
Speaker 6: about one out of every four times it did what
Speaker 6: she asked it to. And then the guy who I
Speaker 6: think was one of the inventors. It's definitely her boss.
Speaker 6: There's a language, bears. It was a little hard to
Speaker 6: tell their exact roles in the company sat down and he.
Speaker 2: Did a lot better.
Speaker 6: It responded to what he asked it about seventy percent
Speaker 6: of the time, but it's.
Speaker 2: Still a lot.
Speaker 6: Both of them a lot of the time are just
Speaker 6: like doing this, like repeating the same like two finger
Speaker 6: gesture whatever, over and over at a camera to get
Speaker 6: it to move. And when it because periodically for like
Speaker 6: forty seconds, it would do like five or six gestures
Speaker 6: in a row would move.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, that's kind of neat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if it worked, it would be great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's just one of these. It's
Speaker 6: another like AI product, well for one thing.
Speaker 2: That's not AI. I'm sorry, guys, like we're using that
Speaker 2: for every It's the same thing. Like they had that
Speaker 2: company that Apple bowl, like in twenty eleven that was
Speaker 2: like they had a ca it was like a ball
Speaker 2: that it was like a wee baw. You're attached to
Speaker 2: a monitor and you could like do gestures and that
Speaker 2: badly fucking worked. Hell yeah no.
Speaker 5: Lenovo actually had a tilting a swiveling screen, yeah, laptop
Speaker 5: and then follows your head when you're on.
Speaker 2: Did it work?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: It worked at these people. So are you oh say
Speaker 2: we had that?
Speaker 1: Didn't Xbox have that technology like ten years ago?
Speaker 2: Well connects, but it couldn't see black people. So that
Speaker 2: was like it's like it's like a better keeps happening too,
Speaker 2: It's not the first, no one will be the last time.
Speaker 2: The law doesn't seem to do that either.
Speaker 6: Well sometimes yeah, but yeah, I mean, and that that
Speaker 6: the whole frustration of like things labeled it, because there's
Speaker 6: there's a mix of like shit labeled as AI that
Speaker 6: under no circumstance does anyone really reasonable consider like a
Speaker 6: robot that responds to a gesture by moving a screen
Speaker 6: and that's all it does is not an intelligence?
Speaker 2: Also, just do you have fucking hands? And have you
Speaker 2: met people with all the hands.
Speaker 6: Like we've been and we've been doing that for forever.
Speaker 6: Like machines that you can like do something into a
Speaker 6: camera and it recognizes a simple a vision.
Speaker 2: It's just basic like you get not on device now.
Speaker 6: And likewise, like I keep seeing like I like this AI,
Speaker 6: this meeting note taker.
Speaker 2: I don't is it AI?
Speaker 6: I guess it's more AI to recognize and like transcribe
Speaker 6: a conversation. But the appeal is not that it's a
Speaker 6: thing that you can communicate with. The appeal is that
Speaker 6: it can do a task.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: It's this there's a bunch of different AI pins and
Speaker 6: AI glasses and the ones I hated all had chat
Speaker 6: integration into it to where you can communicate with it,
Speaker 6: and the ones that were cool were like, yeah, it's
Speaker 6: a pen that can listen to a conversation and transcribe
Speaker 6: it for you, right right, And it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's that might be useful.
Speaker 2: You know. It's just like it all gets back to
Speaker 2: the classic thing of like, yeah, I want this to
Speaker 2: do a task and they're like, oh no, no, sorry,
Speaker 2: AI doesn't do that. Yeah, like it's not able to
Speaker 2: do that. And it's I feel like this is just
Speaker 2: the logical end point of where this is. CS has
Speaker 2: been going for ten years, which is slowly distancing itself
Speaker 2: from reality. Yeah, and promise to just this point when
Speaker 2: ninety seven percent of the stuff is just like if
Speaker 2: it works, wouldn't it be kind of useful?
Speaker 5: Sort of Well, it's like you know, I was talking
Speaker 5: about like AI slop products earlier, you know, and it's
Speaker 5: the kind of thing where like okay, uh, you can
Speaker 5: talk to your router and the router will tell you
Speaker 5: what's wrong whatever. But it's like you could just design
Speaker 5: a UI that just like told you that, that just
Speaker 5: gave you that information in a visually appealing way.
Speaker 2: Work. People don't look as a print journalist.
Speaker 5: Like people don't want to read a block of text unfortunately,
Speaker 5: they just want visual. And yet we're reverting into this
Speaker 5: thing where like the technology communicates with you via a
Speaker 5: block of text that was generated by Yeah.
Speaker 2: I also love that with routes as well, because I
Speaker 2: think for like every CEES I've ever been to, there
Speaker 2: was a router company that said, yeah, we'll just fix
Speaker 2: your network problems. Right, everyone's lying, every single one of
Speaker 2: them's lying. It's wrong every time. It's never worked, tp
Speaker 2: link deco, fuck you, tp Link, I'm sorry that shit
Speaker 2: don't work. Busted and fuck that. Hundreds of dollars wasted.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's the most I've the most product category
Speaker 6: type I have seen at CEES is some form of
Speaker 6: digital assistant and or a new chat bot or like companion.
Speaker 6: Right right, Like there's a huge booth for a company
Speaker 6: called to Ya t u Ya that was like they've
Speaker 6: got this holistic it does everything digital companion. You can
Speaker 6: like there's a health version of it, so you can
Speaker 6: like feed this thing your health data, Like you can
Speaker 6: give it access to your wearables, and it'll not just
Speaker 6: like tell you what's my heart rate? Add how much
Speaker 6: you know, many calories did I burn? But it'll tell
Speaker 6: you like it'll like make workout plans for you and
Speaker 6: like recommend diets and stuff for you, which, like, I
Speaker 6: guess I'm sure there are people who want that.
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 6: The concern I always have was like with like, okay,
Speaker 6: so you're feeding all of your biometric data into this
Speaker 6: machine that you're feeding all of your communications to. It
Speaker 6: has access to your email, it has access to your notes,
Speaker 6: it's you've got a wearable device and it's listening to you.
Speaker 6: There's a mobile version running through your house. How secure
Speaker 6: are you?
Speaker 2: How? How how much do you trust this company's data safety? Yes,
Speaker 2: data retention, considering big companies have breaches all the time.
Speaker 2: I will also have if you get the wrong workoup
Speaker 2: and you can actually really hurt yourself. Honestly, this is
Speaker 2: someone who's done it to myself. It's just like that
Speaker 2: feels I feel people are very cavalier about that as well,
Speaker 2: where it's just like Oh yeah, I'll just take the
Speaker 2: workout from the air and you fuck your leg up,
Speaker 2: you fuck your arms up, all the things I've done.
Speaker 6: Yep, And there's a So they have an AI pet
Speaker 6: robot for two you that can live in your house.
Speaker 6: It's got It looks like a big white doughnut with wheels.
Speaker 6: And I think the hole in the middle is meant,
Speaker 6: at least based on the crudely photo or the crudely
Speaker 6: photoshopped cat sitting in it, to be like your pet
Speaker 6: can sit inside the AI robot companion.
Speaker 2: See, it's part of the Wow family. I've always a
Speaker 2: pet for my pet, your cat, And it's telling that
Speaker 2: you get a real cat in that thing.
Speaker 6: They had to photoshop a cat crudely because the cat
Speaker 6: is getting inside a wheeled robot.
Speaker 2: Bobo is killing that shit. Bob is fucking running across
Speaker 2: the house to like, yeah, donkey kick that shit.
Speaker 6: And they describe again it just looks like a doughnut
Speaker 6: with wheels. Galactic design, harmonious coexistence, sleek sci fi aesthetics
Speaker 6: for pets and people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Jesus, It's just why am I going to
Speaker 2: meet somebody who buys one of these? Yeah? I want
Speaker 2: to meet someone, I actually want to study the brain
Speaker 2: of someone who goes that is.
Speaker 6: Like yes, yes, it was a big booth, so clearly
Speaker 6: there's money behine hundred thousand. This is uh yeah. I'm
Speaker 6: not sure where the company is based at them. I
Speaker 6: haven't looked into it enough yet. There was a panel
Speaker 6: going on uh two ya x two ya and Google
Speaker 6: Cloud from AI First to AI Everywhere, which was the
Speaker 6: same as half of the other panels I've heard.
Speaker 2: It was just a bunch of platform do you want
Speaker 2: to tie someone?
Speaker 6: Like how the ais ais just getting back? It's coming
Speaker 6: to everything. Don't you love your digital assistant? I don't
Speaker 6: go anywhere without my digitalist?
Speaker 2: You set the last year this is the worst that
Speaker 2: leviby it Actually.
Speaker 6: It's at least not any better. And yeah, they've they've
Speaker 6: got the health management thing. It's got a fitness coach,
Speaker 6: it does sleep analysis. And again I just keep thinking like, okay,
Speaker 6: so you're just handing literally your entire life's data.
Speaker 2: And this is the Zone app.
Speaker 6: This is they do the doughnut thing, and they have
Speaker 6: the Companion app that can also one of the things
Speaker 6: they bragged about is that if you just oh, it
Speaker 6: can run your smart home, so you can plug your
Speaker 6: security system into this addition to your biometric data. It's
Speaker 6: a security guardian twenty four to seven protection for peace
Speaker 6: of mind. And it can run your smart power system,
Speaker 6: it can run your smart home. And it's also just
Speaker 6: a companion. And one of the things they advertise this
Speaker 6: companion can do is if you just tell it a topic,
Speaker 6: it'll automatically generate a podcast for you.
Speaker 2: Aren't we all you know? We're as you're now ed.
Speaker 2: It takes a little more skill than that chat chat
Speaker 2: with Hay two. Yeah. By the way, it's Hay two
Speaker 2: sounds a lot too much like haka. Yeah. I'm also
Speaker 2: just thinking like everything's like sleep analysis, so as a
Speaker 2: chat GPT wrapper you feed the sleep day or into
Speaker 2: health analysis. It's just they released chat GPT for Health
Speaker 2: Today AI podcasts Alex said, listen to what you love.
Speaker 2: Alex Heath of Sources says that churt GPT health is
Speaker 2: going to be big. I think that that's irresponsible, yeah
Speaker 2: and also bullshit, like a massive numpty would use chat
Speaker 2: GPT health. It's like, what's it going to fuck? And
Speaker 2: it also it's great, it's like use it for this this,
Speaker 2: but it's not for health advice.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so why though he said that we can't advertise
Speaker 6: that right now Jesus the liability, But.
Speaker 2: Also, what the fuck is it for? Then it's for
Speaker 2: giving you health advice? Yeah, it's like it's for health.
Speaker 2: Here's the other thing that like health stores.
Speaker 5: If we buy and this is an if, but like
Speaker 5: if we buy the idea that generative AI agents like
Speaker 5: chattybut Gemini whatever are like the operating systems of the future,
Speaker 5: which I of course do, yeah, and I know you
Speaker 5: believe that, but like you now you have all these
Speaker 5: other products like that, which is like its own AI
Speaker 5: kind of agent and so and there's like a million
Speaker 5: of them on the show floor, So like are you
Speaker 5: gonna have that? And then another device that has its
Speaker 5: own ANI thing and another device as Zoni I think, and.
Speaker 2: You really would rather just use chatchybut or whatever. That's
Speaker 2: the thing. It's like, what happens to all these companies
Speaker 2: when open ai copies all of them? Yeah? Or dies?
Speaker 2: What if open ai raises their prices? Do the margins
Speaker 2: make sense?
Speaker 6: And these products are literally just a thing that like
Speaker 6: that a computer that we slapped into a ring or
Speaker 6: something and gave it wireless at like gave it like
Speaker 6: access to to chatchipt, right, that's all it is.
Speaker 2: What if you can't afford that anymore? Yeah, what if
Speaker 2: they raise the prices by ten percent? Because that doesn't
Speaker 2: sound like much if you're like paying twenty bucks a month,
Speaker 2: but if you're doing I don't know, thousands of dollars
Speaker 2: tens hundreds of Yeah, wipe them out immediately if your
Speaker 2: margins are ten percent, and like most of your business
Speaker 2: is spent on chat GPT, It's just it's inevitable, but
Speaker 2: also so easily clonable.
Speaker 5: I am I'm looking forward to the chat GPT. Furry astrologer.
Speaker 6: Sure now that that's responsible use, that's AI of AI,
Speaker 6: and that that really seems like ethical AI to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're worrying.
Speaker 6: There was a good one on mental health and AI
Speaker 6: that was by a the Yeah, I mean it wasn't
Speaker 6: so much a panel as like a speech by like
Speaker 6: a clinical therapist. Okay who I've got this written down
Speaker 6: of my notes. I'm spacing on her name right now.
Speaker 6: But she was taking very much the the reasonable tact
Speaker 6: of like, Okay, what has already happened is that a
Speaker 6: shitload of people are using chatbots as therapists. That is happening.
Speaker 6: That is a thing that is going on. There are
Speaker 6: harms we are starting to document and we will continue to
Speaker 6: document with that, but it's a thing that's happening. What
Speaker 6: would a healthy like like. And the other thing she
Speaker 6: was saying that I don't fully agree with, but I
Speaker 6: think it's an arguable point is the because lack of
Speaker 6: access to mental health resources is such an endemic problem
Speaker 6: in the United States and the world, there is an
Speaker 6: opportunity if you can make ethically a clinical like a
Speaker 6: like an AI therapist, right or something that can do
Speaker 6: counseling or whatnot to reach people who could another way.
Speaker 6: Now I don't agree with that, but I it's a
Speaker 6: for the purpose of a like listening to the speech,
Speaker 6: I can I can follow with like, Okay, how would
Speaker 6: you I want to hear your pitch on like what
Speaker 6: an ethical version of this would be. And what I
Speaker 6: appreciated is that she doesn't really didn't really come to
Speaker 6: a conclusion, like she was like, these are the things
Speaker 6: you would need to do. I don't know if it
Speaker 6: can be done. That was kind of the three one
Speaker 6: is like I'm not sure that this is a here's
Speaker 6: what it would need to be if it was if
Speaker 6: you were going to try to do this, Here's what
Speaker 6: you couldn't have it doing. Here's the things you'd have
Speaker 6: to keep in mind. And like, one of the things
Speaker 6: she brought up, which I think is why this is
Speaker 6: a fundamentally impossible thing, is she said, Okay, one of
Speaker 6: the major problems with chatbots, especially because people using THEMS therapists,
Speaker 6: is that they are designed to keep you on and
Speaker 6: to keep you using it, and they like, well, we'll
Speaker 6: gas you up, they'll they'll lie, they'll say whatever to
Speaker 6: keep you using them, and that's bad for like therapy. R.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you need pushback, right, you.
Speaker 6: Need pushback, You need critical analysis of what you're doing.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you don't need a machine that is trying to
Speaker 6: keep you happy so that you continue to use it.
Speaker 6: That's not therapy. And she was like, so any responsible
Speaker 6: version of this technology turned towards therapy would have to
Speaker 6: not do that. And so I came up to her
Speaker 6: afterwards and I was like, well, the problem to me
Speaker 6: then is people will always have access to the robots
Speaker 6: that are really dangerous and terrible therapists that make them
Speaker 6: feel good and want to talk to them, why would
Speaker 6: anyone use and pay money for a presumably more expensive
Speaker 6: therapeutic bot that doesn't make them feel good? And she
Speaker 6: was like, well, yeah, I think that's probably like an
Speaker 6: insurmountable problem. Basically, like that was the That wasn't her word,
Speaker 6: but her words were essentially like, yeah, I'm I have
Speaker 6: the same concern, and I'm not sure it's possible to
Speaker 6: do this.
Speaker 2: So what frustrates me She's right, sure, but what frustrates
Speaker 2: me about that is like I'm tired of people saying
Speaker 2: if it did this, it would be great. If it's
Speaker 2: just not possible, if it's just like most of ces
Speaker 2: this year is like if it worked, it would be good.
Speaker 2: Hers was more people are using chatbots for therapy? Is it?
Speaker 2: What would you need to see for this to not
Speaker 2: be Irrespecti's and I use, I think that's reasonable. I
Speaker 2: just I think it's just people. What She's right, it's
Speaker 2: a good thing that it's like, is that a good thing?
Speaker 2: People will conflate you can't do it, probably yeah, And
Speaker 2: it's also people will conflate that by saying and if
Speaker 2: we just buy more GPUs then therapy bot will exist.
Speaker 2: And it's also just people misunderstand what therapy is. It's
Speaker 2: it's really Yeah, it's good that someone said what would
Speaker 2: be required, but the moment you think about what be required, yeah,
Speaker 2: realize it's the same.
Speaker 6: Last year, we talked to a guy who made an
Speaker 6: AI enabled device that was like four as a companion
Speaker 6: for old people. Primarily, it's like this like head shaped
Speaker 6: kind of robot but didn't have like a face, that
Speaker 6: had cameras on it and could like move a little
Speaker 6: bit and engage with you that you would like keep
Speaker 6: in a kitchen or something like an appliance, and you
Speaker 6: could use basic stuff with it. It'll tell you like
Speaker 6: the weather outside, it can look up stuff for you, and.
Speaker 2: It'll also basically like a lepsa, but it also.
Speaker 6: It's programmed to engage you and kind ask you to like, hey,
Speaker 6: do you want to record a story for your grandkids?
Speaker 6: Like you can build an archive? Hey, uh, you have
Speaker 6: these friends who also have this device, why don't I
Speaker 6: call one of them, like I just to try and
Speaker 6: keep them active, to try to keep them engaged with
Speaker 6: their family, to make sure and talking to the inventor
Speaker 6: of it, he was incredibly concerned both about privacy but
Speaker 6: also about this is a medical device, and this is
Speaker 6: a device that would give people better access to their doctors,
Speaker 6: better access to their families, give their families a better
Speaker 6: idea of what's going on with them. And so I
Speaker 6: don't think it's going to work as a product. I'm
Speaker 6: sure the company has already failed to be entirely honest,
Speaker 6: because I don't think anyone's going to buy this thing.
Speaker 6: But I appreciate, like, Okay, you can't you You you
Speaker 6: had a good impulse coming in here.
Speaker 2: This is not a cash grab for you.
Speaker 6: You were attempting to make something that would solve a problem.
Speaker 2: And be a good business as a result of that.
Speaker 6: Right, And this year I came across a company that
Speaker 6: this is the company I showed you the horror Zeroth
Speaker 6: that had the They have the Wally Robot. They say
Speaker 6: they're working with Disney to do a licensed version of
Speaker 6: But they have these tiny robots that look like rock'm
Speaker 6: sockam robots that are like companions for the elderly, even
Speaker 6: though they look like a Toya kid would have played.
Speaker 2: Was this nice or something like that? No, No, it's.
Speaker 6: Zero with this company, But it can like walk away.
Speaker 6: I can hobble around and the thing is. When I asked, like,
Speaker 6: what does it do, she said, well, it'll tell your face.
Speaker 6: It'll tell like an elderly person's family member if they're
Speaker 6: not doing well, if they like seem to be less
Speaker 6: social or like stressed or anxious. And I was like, well,
Speaker 6: based on what and he said, well, if you look,
Speaker 6: you can see, like we've got this, you can see
Speaker 6: like how the machine sees through the cameras and it
Speaker 6: looks like the terminator, and it'll zero in on faces
Speaker 6: and it'll notice like micro expressions that show you that
Speaker 6: somebody's like hiding stand And I'm like, you're number one,
Speaker 6: you don't know any of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're making this so too.
Speaker 6: Telling me that your like elder care device looks at
Speaker 6: people the way the terminator.
Speaker 2: Does, you a lot of confidence.
Speaker 6: And just the difference in like this man who this
Speaker 6: is a very personal invention to him, and he at
Speaker 6: every step was thinking about what will actually be best
Speaker 6: to the people I want to help, versus this marketer
Speaker 6: being like, yeah, it's like a fucking terminator. I'll tell
Speaker 6: you if your grandma's dying, fucking room to do with that.
Speaker 6: And it's tiny, it's like eighteen inches tall, Grandma's gonna
Speaker 6: have this walking around, it's because she's gonna trip on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what the fuck? Like the classic thing that
Speaker 2: old people do is trip on stuff, and it's like,
Speaker 2: we need another one.
Speaker 6: But grandma needs is a tiny robot that looks like
Speaker 6: a toy that her forty year old grandson now would
Speaker 6: have played with as a kid, and like why why
Speaker 6: does she want this in her house?
Speaker 2: You get it between like t Moon notifications and Instagram
Speaker 2: notification Grandma dead, Grandma dead, grama details later, Grandma dead,
Speaker 2: or like the it's like your cat's pissed, Like you
Speaker 2: get the note he really is notification. If you bought
Speaker 2: even seven of these devices, your entire life is just
Speaker 2: a nightmare.
Speaker 6: Of just like ping cat the rest of your life
Speaker 6: trying to scroll through one day's notice.
Speaker 2: Your I mean, my fucking phone is already like that.
Speaker 2: It's insane. You install a new app that's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's the it's the Selfridges app, and it's like did
Speaker 2: you know you can buy pants? And it's like I'm familiar,
Speaker 2: Thank you Selfridges.
Speaker 5: But I think it it kind of gets back to
Speaker 5: like you know what I'm saying before about like pebble
Speaker 5: and clicks. It's like, you know, it is so in
Speaker 5: short supply at cees to find like authenticity, somebody who
Speaker 5: is like really passionate about like this thing.
Speaker 2: I want to solve a problem. So when you find it,
Speaker 2: it's very exciting, you know. Yeah, like the guy.
Speaker 6: Who made the the the mug that has a fan
Speaker 6: on it for when you're in like you're drinking at
Speaker 6: the stadium or something during like a summer game and
Speaker 6: you want both a.
Speaker 2: Fan and you want your your beer, your gatorade, whatever you.
Speaker 6: Put in there. You know as well, it's stupid. I
Speaker 6: don't want one. It barely counts as consumer electronics. But
Speaker 6: at least a man had a dream, you know.
Speaker 2: So we're going to rotate again and the next ad
Speaker 2: is whatever it is, it's perfect. You have to buy
Speaker 2: it immediately. Diana once again, in front of a micro
Speaker 2: phone in the Palazzo in Las Vegas, Nevada. I'm drinking
Speaker 2: my eleventh diet Coke. I'm surrounded by the warmth and
Speaker 2: love of friendship and camaraderie. Joining me is Chloe Radcliffe,
Speaker 2: the wonderful stand up comedian actress from a is this
Speaker 2: thing on who What? Where? It's you who Robert Evans
Speaker 2: of Behind the Bastards. Yes, correct, I'm going. I'm just
Speaker 2: stand up comedian Adam Conover and also the host of
Speaker 2: the Factory podcast. Hello, and of course edyonon Gaiso Junior,
Speaker 2: who writes the Tech Bubble newsletter. Hello, and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back for the final bit of this of the
Speaker 2: Wednesday's CES episode. I am on. This is what twelve
Speaker 2: and a half hours. It's great. I've got so many more.
Speaker 2: I fucking love doing I'm not even complaining. I love
Speaker 2: doing this. But everyone else, everyone else is tired. And
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry everyone for dragging you into this. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so we've got two people who've never been to CES before. Oh, Chloe, Adam, Yeah,
Speaker 2: how'd you feel? What do you think? Welcome to the jungle.
Speaker 10: I mean, it makes me wanna like go see someone
Speaker 10: play an acoustic guitar with no amplification.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 10: It makes me want to like walk by a playground,
Speaker 10: like you know, it's recess and the children are just
Speaker 10: sort of like running around.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It makes me want to build a fire and dig
Speaker 4: a hole. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10: It makes me want to like have a basic a
Speaker 10: basic pleasure of life. And I'm having trouble, like, you know,
Speaker 10: putting the two worlds together.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, like, well, it's just you know,
Speaker 2: like this is it's the center of you know, the
Speaker 2: tech industry in many ways, or at least a certain
Speaker 2: piece of it.
Speaker 10: Right, It's like all sort of coalescing around this, you
Speaker 10: know moment.
Speaker 6: It's like a little black hole like owls of the
Speaker 6: tech end, not ready to like ship all this stuff
Speaker 6: out yet, so we're kind of watching it as it
Speaker 6: and it's.
Speaker 10: It's supposedly the most the most important, you know industry
Speaker 10: in America.
Speaker 2: Sets the tone for the year as well, because it's
Speaker 2: in January, drives the economy.
Speaker 10: These are the people who are like creating the future
Speaker 10: and and so much of it could not be more
Speaker 10: distant from most people's lives or horrifying to their lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you say anything new today that horrified you? Yeah?
Speaker 10: There were three different kiosks that we're selling body trackers
Speaker 10: that would track you while you're driving a car. Sorry,
Speaker 10: it's not for you the driver, though, it's for your
Speaker 10: employer to track you while you're driving the car, like
Speaker 10: if you know, to track ups drivers or Uber drivers
Speaker 10: or other people who are drive in a fleet and
Speaker 10: it can you sit there and it has you know,
Speaker 10: it draws a little skeleton over.
Speaker 2: Your body and your face to track you. And then
Speaker 2: it has a little icon, Oh we can tell you're yawning.
Speaker 10: A little voice will say put on your seat belt
Speaker 10: like it's it's it's human monitoring to you know, mechanize people.
Speaker 10: I guess if you're a logistics company that can't afford
Speaker 10: way mos, which are also all over the place, this
Speaker 10: is a way of sort of putting your drivers into
Speaker 10: a little virtual prison.
Speaker 3: Feels so much more invasive than you know, Hey, we
Speaker 3: do have an alarm on the car door, so we
Speaker 3: know every time you get in and out of the vehicle,
Speaker 3: and and we have GBS in the car and we know,
Speaker 3: you know, we know when you're stopped.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we have like a governor so it can't go
Speaker 6: above a certain yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 10: And uh, you know, it was kind of fun to
Speaker 10: play with because they have a camera set up and
Speaker 10: you want to track your body.
Speaker 2: And me and what we're playing with it.
Speaker 10: And then and I was like waving at it, and
Speaker 10: then I kind of pretended I was in a car
Speaker 10: crash and then I kind of like yanked the equipment
Speaker 10: around and it wasn't put and then a German Man
Speaker 10: came over and he was like, you must leave.
Speaker 2: That has been enough fun. You must I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, yes, you must leave. Yeah. Each time you
Speaker 2: say each time and I'm said I'm sorry. He's like, oh, yes,
Speaker 2: yes you have to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 10: By the way I was, I was like pretty stoned
Speaker 10: for the entire two hours that we were there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I love getting in trouble at booths. Like my second
Speaker 6: or third sees. I used to have this thing where
Speaker 6: I would go I would seek out all of the
Speaker 6: rugged products because this was right when they were starting
Speaker 6: to make a bunch of bluetooth speakers fifteen years ago,
Speaker 6: starting to make a bunch of like blue like power
Speaker 6: banks and stuff. So like rugged electronics was coming into
Speaker 6: like its own as a field, and so I would
Speaker 6: always I would track down like where they had and
Speaker 6: there was there was one year where one of the
Speaker 6: companies selling them had a bunch of like these big
Speaker 6: boxy rugged speakers and like logs that like you could
Speaker 6: sit on or that they were stacking them on. They
Speaker 6: just brought the logs as decorations, right, but they were
Speaker 6: like stump sized logs. And I asked them like, hey,
Speaker 6: so it's like drop resistant, crush proof, and they were
Speaker 6: like walking me through the stats, and I was like,
Speaker 6: can I try just dropping one of these logs on
Speaker 6: top of it? And they were like yeah, And so
Speaker 6: I fucking hit as hard as the son of a
Speaker 6: bitch in half.
Speaker 2: And said you must leave, you must put the log down.
Speaker 2: She apologized to me because she said it. I asked,
Speaker 2: I didn't do I didn't assault the device.
Speaker 3: Well, you assaulted the device, but with expressed.
Speaker 2: With that with consent. But this was also a device
Speaker 2: you are mint to a soul.
Speaker 6: Yes, well that and that's what my very first cees.
Speaker 6: They had an indestructible cell phone, not a smartphone cell phone,
Speaker 6: and they took a bunch of journalists out too. I
Speaker 6: think we were in front of Caesar's. Maybe it was
Speaker 6: the Venetian, but they had like a car that had
Speaker 6: like company branding on it, and they would each journalist
Speaker 6: could go and set the phone down and they would
Speaker 6: drive over it with like an suv, right to show
Speaker 6: you how tough it is. And everyone did the exact
Speaker 6: same thing and took a video while it was driving
Speaker 6: over it, and I did the same thing as everyone else.
Speaker 6: I put the phone down flat, they drove over it.
Speaker 6: I was like, yep, that's a tough phone. And one
Speaker 6: guy stacked it on its side and they drove over
Speaker 6: it popped it right open because it hit a seam.
Speaker 6: And that is one of the most influential like moments
Speaker 6: in my career as a journalist where it's like, that's
Speaker 6: that's how you do.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is that this is the CS thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, we have got one thing this does and
Speaker 2: most people are not going to ask because this is
Speaker 2: not for people to use, it's for people to sell.
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh yeah, yeah, well what if it
Speaker 2: does this? Wait? What does it work? I feel like
Speaker 2: you were talking about something earlier, Chloe. It was just
Speaker 2: like you asked one question. My brain just seizing up
Speaker 2: in real time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm trying to remember, which I just have so
Speaker 4: many people I've been like what's the point?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the question. It's like, what's the point? And
Speaker 2: then like why fuck way, no one's ever asked does Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you got anyth dregs left, Chloe things to declare.
Speaker 3: I saw this is not a well I actually don't
Speaker 3: know what product this is associated with.
Speaker 2: It must be a product way for the best.
Speaker 3: But there was a like test how strong your your
Speaker 3: punch is? Oh yeah, they've had section And I stood
Speaker 3: for a couple of minutes and just watched with the
Speaker 3: greatest respect, the dweebiest, loseriest, sweet little dorks, some young,
Speaker 3: many old walk up and just like try and rail
Speaker 3: this thing, and like, you know, everybody punched it, but
Speaker 3: watching watching dudes in just like weirdly fitting suits whose
Speaker 3: faces move a little strange, be like it is my
Speaker 3: turn to punch now. I was like, this is incredible,
Speaker 3: this is beautiful. And I was like, I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna take a video of this. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna take it. This is I'm not trying to like,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be mean. I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: make this a sideshow, but this is cinema. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I saw also like there was one where you could
Speaker 2: throw footballs at target, and I was just I watched
Speaker 2: this old man just walk up and just fucking lamping
Speaker 2: the footballs and then he just and he's like, wife
Speaker 2: was like like videoing him do it, and they just
Speaker 2: walked off and you could see the people both be like, wait,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna talk to us about the TV and
Speaker 2: they just walked off. That guy fucking rocks. That's beautiful.
Speaker 2: I want to throw the football and I don't want
Speaker 2: to go I'm done here. I don't need to talk
Speaker 2: to you and your like Gooby TV or whatever it was.
Speaker 2: It was like one of the weird off brand television
Speaker 2: companies that spends way too much of this show. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you'll first see us and you'll now really, I feel
Speaker 2: like this is an I don't want to say atypical year,
Speaker 2: but it's one of the Sadden ones, Like I'm having
Speaker 2: a great time new ideas.
Speaker 11: One thing I maybe the only thing I liked actually
Speaker 11: was I saw this massive John Deere tractor.
Speaker 2: Didn't know they could be this fucking big, massive two
Speaker 2: story houses.
Speaker 11: Yeah, literally, I climbed stairs to get up there had
Speaker 11: crazy hydraulic if I had a vision of of just
Speaker 11: not doing any of this ship at farming with the with.
Speaker 2: The big as tract really and right by farming.
Speaker 11: Yeah, with the industrial farming from a long line of farmers.
Speaker 11: I feel like that that felt right for a second,
Speaker 11: and then I had intest of thoughts about running over
Speaker 11: all the tech.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that would be.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, that I felt more when I climbed up there,
Speaker 10: I started, you know, because it's you climb into this
Speaker 10: thing and you're thirty feet above the ground and it's
Speaker 10: like the bridge of like the Starship Enterprise. It's like
Speaker 10: a hydraulic chair and like a giant thing, and you're
Speaker 10: looking at the it's the rest of the show floor
Speaker 10: and you're just like, oh, if I had a missile
Speaker 10: launcher on this, I could blow.
Speaker 2: It all up.
Speaker 10: And the front of it looks like weaponry because it's
Speaker 10: like twenty like imagine a cone the shape of a
Speaker 10: traffic cone, but as tall as a person, right, and
Speaker 10: then on its end like with the sharp part pointed out,
Speaker 10: like twenty of those lined up.
Speaker 2: That's what you're it's right, it is.
Speaker 10: I believe it's picking corn like off the cobs and
Speaker 10: putting it into a giant like dump truck looking thing
Speaker 10: that that that goes along in sync with it, which
Speaker 10: is another part of the gap between the stuff with
Speaker 10: the sh in reality, because it's like this is so
Speaker 10: far from what most people think of it as a farm.
Speaker 10: You know, this looks like.
Speaker 2: But that's how but that's how most farms is. Oh,
Speaker 2: I know, but it's it's just the gap between.
Speaker 10: It looks like if you were playing like a video
Speaker 10: game and you were like terraforming mars like this, this
Speaker 10: thing looks.
Speaker 2: Like I just like the idea of a giant tractor
Speaker 2: and just turning the fucking thing on, driving forward until
Speaker 2: I'm out at this convention center.
Speaker 12: Could drive away, just head for the hills, Yeah, just
Speaker 12: to just stop to hit red Rock, go out.
Speaker 2: To Area fifty one, me and the boys.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's our dear president.
Speaker 2: That's one of his bits, right, Remember when he had
Speaker 2: that truck and.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 2: Just drive away.
Speaker 11: They won't let me, But I could just go off
Speaker 11: into the sunset.
Speaker 4: You could.
Speaker 11: You could do that up the tractor, you know, if
Speaker 11: you maybe if you're hot, worried. I don't know if
Speaker 11: it actually has an.
Speaker 3: Imagine you could imagine a tractor that you are describing
Speaker 3: is the size of a spaceship. But if you just
Speaker 3: know exactly where to cut, you can just make red
Speaker 3: wire technically wire and turn this thing on.
Speaker 2: Yes, Massacre mo over Sea the last US track to Massacre.
Speaker 3: Blasting big green tractor out of the speakers there were.
Speaker 10: I do want to say behind us in line for
Speaker 10: the tractor, there was like a bunch of folks from
Speaker 10: Japan and they were like vibrating with excitement to get
Speaker 10: in the tractor. Because I can only imagine just the
Speaker 10: americanness of a John Deere tractor and the size of it.
Speaker 10: It was like they were they like shoved me out
Speaker 10: of the way to get in.
Speaker 2: I'm I will also say this is a unique thing
Speaker 2: that Americans can't understand how small some other countries are.
Speaker 2: Look when I got to American and I saw my
Speaker 2: first cruise ship, I kind of freaked the fuck out.
Speaker 2: I say, it's just so large, so much, it looks
Speaker 2: like the size of London. Upsetting. I still freak out
Speaker 2: over them. They're huge and they're terrifying. They look horrifying,
Speaker 2: and like, if I go on this big tractor, I
Speaker 2: would either feel overwhelmed with power or like just like
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to exist. But I also liked that
Speaker 2: they had a big tractor. See if that makes me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like the big tractor is like the
Speaker 6: ring of power and that Yeah, no matter whether or
Speaker 6: not you like hate it, before you get behind the wheel,
Speaker 6: as soon as you start driving it, it changes you.
Speaker 2: You just hit dragula.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's like it was pretty clear. It was pretty
Speaker 10: clear you don't even drive this thing you supervised. Yeah,
Speaker 10: Mar this would be my green Goblin mosque.
Speaker 6: You've got mister Wharf behind you on the weapons tail
Speaker 6: rikers outside.
Speaker 2: Alex Heath is hand Sorry, Alex, Sorry, Alex. I don't
Speaker 2: mean I'm not going to run you over the track.
Speaker 2: I do love that.
Speaker 11: Every now and then you'll name jobs when you're like,
Speaker 11: I wish I could do bodily harm just kidding.
Speaker 2: I also would not do bodily harm to Alex Heath.
Speaker 2: I apologize, Alex.
Speaker 6: Not what the poster that you made and put on
Speaker 6: the wall. I wasn't gonna comment on it.
Speaker 2: It's weird, but just the fucking signal chat from lost
Speaker 2: was just like an action of threat against an executive.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, and it was the second
Speaker 2: I got here as well. He was like, Samuel, when
Speaker 2: we're going to and I'm not going to fucking repeat it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's not illegal to make actionable threats against people.
Speaker 2: It's not. It depends on what.
Speaker 12: Who you voted for, folks. Yeah, it's These are jokes.
Speaker 12: These are bits bits. We're doing bits. We're having a laugh.
Speaker 12: We're having a laugh. It's bans it's we're bantmaxing.
Speaker 2: We're bantering. Yeah, yeah, that's that's how it works. So Adam,
Speaker 2: this is your last day though. Did you see anything
Speaker 2: you liked it? So you're on it of all? Yeah? No, no,
Speaker 2: I know. I was vaping. I have a dry herb vape,
Speaker 2: which is the best way to consume week Hi. I
Speaker 2: actually am curious what does that mean?
Speaker 10: Okay, so what it means? I love explaining this. What
Speaker 10: it means is you you know, Robert, you know what
Speaker 10: this is. Yeah, it's just like a vape that, yeah,
Speaker 10: you put material in it. Most vapes that people think
Speaker 10: of our oil that have like chemically extracted the THHC
Speaker 10: and suspended it in like an.
Speaker 2: All of the vapes used to work a volcano and
Speaker 2: stuff when we were kidding.
Speaker 10: This is you put plant material in it. It heats
Speaker 10: it to a precise temperature where it does not burn.
Speaker 10: It just vaporizes the THHC and other oils oils, and
Speaker 10: one of the great things about it is it makes
Speaker 10: almost no vapor. So you I use this thing at
Speaker 10: the fucking airport, Like nobody noticed. You know, no one's
Speaker 10: looking at you. No one is going to know as
Speaker 10: you're using this thing. So it is great for this
Speaker 10: kind of environment, but it.
Speaker 3: Doesn't taste like strawberry melon. I guess weed babes maybe
Speaker 3: never do wow. Spoken like a person who really knows
Speaker 3: her drugs.
Speaker 10: Uh, I did see something that I really did pop for,
Speaker 10: which was and Ed was there too, the uh uh
Speaker 10: it was ah okay. So imagine like a white van,
Speaker 10: like a normal van, and on top of it are
Speaker 10: sort of a couple of blue tubes that go up
Speaker 10: and down and rotate, kind of like a like if
Speaker 10: you built like a lego version of an anti aircraft
Speaker 10: that looks like that looks like a home anti aircraft weapon,
Speaker 10: And it turns out that's what it was because it
Speaker 10: shoots a net at.
Speaker 2: Drones using not gunpowder. It's just some kind of electromagnet.
Speaker 2: So it's like a like almost a rail gun type.
Speaker 2: I asked the guy was this a rail gun, and
Speaker 2: he was like.
Speaker 4: What's a rail gun?
Speaker 2: Magnets to propel around? Nothing trail gun with you.
Speaker 10: Sorry, it's like a it's like a yeah, like a
Speaker 10: sci fi torp.
Speaker 2: Can we cut that out of.
Speaker 10: But yeah, so it shoots a it shoots a net
Speaker 10: at the drone and then it catches the drone and
Speaker 10: then there's a little parachute so the drone like falls
Speaker 10: down to Earth so you can it was like super
Speaker 10: fucking just like Metal Gear Solid five.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's just because it's like he was like, there's
Speaker 11: a legal gray area where it's like, you know, you
Speaker 11: see a drone that you don't know and you're like,
Speaker 11: whose drone is this?
Speaker 2: And you want to shoot it, but you can't. You know,
Speaker 2: you might get in trouble.
Speaker 10: So he says, so you're not destroying it, you can
Speaker 10: just you can give it back to the owner after.
Speaker 2: You retrieve it. That shit on the back of my
Speaker 2: truck like a technical and in the park, just driving
Speaker 2: you pick up truck with a bunch of drones in
Speaker 2: the back.
Speaker 3: I mean, what we think mad Max is going to
Speaker 3: look like is like old gas trucks. It's actually going
Speaker 3: to just be semi trucks with drone trophies.
Speaker 10: Because the drones are going to have countermeasures. Eventually, they're
Speaker 10: going to all they are chaff or they're going.
Speaker 6: To dodge, you know, they've already I mean that's yeah,
Speaker 6: that is the nature of drug Like that's what we're
Speaker 6: seeing in Ukraine right now, which is like it's it's this,
Speaker 6: it's gotten to this insane escalation of countermeasure where if
Speaker 6: you go to a lot of frontline villages, they're covered
Speaker 6: in miles of fiber optic cable. It looks like the
Speaker 6: whole dilage is covered in spiderweb. Question, because you almost
Speaker 6: have to have all of the drones be wired because
Speaker 6: jamming is so prevalent, right, so if that you can't
Speaker 6: jam jam one that's got like a wire on it.
Speaker 6: So they're basically taking off with these long spools and
Speaker 6: flying around and it leaves because they're getting shot down constantly.
Speaker 6: Drones don't have a long life span in the field,
Speaker 6: so you just wind up with these villages that are
Speaker 6: it looks like a giant spider full of cables webbed.
Speaker 4: That like hangs on the tree, have no idea about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the drone warfare's nuts. Fuck, I hate it.
Speaker 6: That's the thing that came closest to killing me overseas
Speaker 6: was a fucking drown But yeah, it's it's it's all
Speaker 6: this like Red Queen measure countermeasure ship. Like everyone's been
Speaker 6: sprinting as fast as possible to stay more or less
Speaker 6: in place for the last four years.
Speaker 2: What I liked about this company was I was like,
Speaker 2: is this for the military, And he.
Speaker 10: Was like, I mean, we're pitching the military, but like,
Speaker 10: you know, mate, we talked to him, but like we
Speaker 10: think you could use it, you know, to like guard
Speaker 10: a private you know, like a power plant, or like I.
Speaker 2: Was like, use it at Coachella or whatever. I mean.
Speaker 2: I uh.
Speaker 10: Once there's an episode of Adam Ruins Everything where we
Speaker 10: couldn't shoot for like ninety minutes because some dumb ass
Speaker 10: was flying a drone over the shoot and we could.
Speaker 10: We had to find the guy to stop because it
Speaker 10: was fucking like because he used it.
Speaker 2: That day, ye had to break his legs. I remember
Speaker 2: that episode in That's I love that. I do love Honestly,
Speaker 2: every time I hear about this, I just want to
Speaker 2: play with one. I just want to shoot a guy
Speaker 2: like Duck Hunt, like your guy Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Just a guy in the sky. Okay, okay, yeah, see
Speaker 3: a guy.
Speaker 5: Shot down exactly what I mean, exactly that understand what
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 4: Not a guy.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at in the streets and capture in
Speaker 2: my nets.
Speaker 3: He's got to be high enough that that there van.
Speaker 4: Guns have to be able to aim at them.
Speaker 6: The last time I saw the Blue Angels at fleet
Speaker 6: during Fleet Week in San Francisco, I couldn't stop myself
Speaker 6: from thinking like I could take them.
Speaker 2: I could take them. I feel like I could take
Speaker 2: take him. Went out.
Speaker 6: Well, they're flying real close to each other. I feel
Speaker 6: like it's not hard to fuck that up. Shove just
Speaker 6: a little shop. It's like a because they're in a plane.
Speaker 2: Yeah rock sure, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, no, we do actually want to take them out.
Speaker 2: With Okay, So they're flying pretty low.
Speaker 3: If I ever need to take the Blue Angels, I
Speaker 3: would like these.
Speaker 4: How low? Like are we talking one hundred feet?
Speaker 6: Feel like if you get on top of the Salesforce
Speaker 6: tower when they're doing some of those like really low flights,
Speaker 6: get like a potato gun. You could get one of
Speaker 6: those lodge right into one of the area intake things.
Speaker 6: Oh sure, and they're probably like they're they're going so fast.
Speaker 6: I feel like any little mistake would be catastrophic.
Speaker 10: Yeah he is, And don't get up the Harlem Globe drivers, Okay,
Speaker 10: manhunt look like you know, you're like posted up on
Speaker 10: the Salesforce tower.
Speaker 2: You used a potato gun parody parody he's doing He's
Speaker 2: doing Bess Spence were Bents Spence? Yeah, Fence. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so it is quite funny watching people like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna call you to normal. I think that that's fair.
Speaker 4: Yeah, watching a lot of my exes would disagree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, but normal You've seen this show and it's
Speaker 2: funny watching regular people just be like, yeah, so most
Speaker 2: of it's useless, most of it doesn't work, some of it,
Speaker 2: most of it will never exist.
Speaker 3: I mean I asked the question in the last episode
Speaker 3: with none of these guys here, I've basically said, uh,
Speaker 3: what does what is the point of CS? I was like,
Speaker 3: what does anybody walk away from CES with you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well I was asking Edward and maybe someone here
Speaker 2: knows the answer. Who's the customer? Like I went to
Speaker 2: toy fair once and at.
Speaker 10: Toy Fair there's there's buyers from retail chains walking around
Speaker 10: going like yes, I'll take ten thousand sticky hands or whatever,
Speaker 10: which makes sense.
Speaker 2: Who here? It's not custom Like, who's there are?
Speaker 6: So there's CS is really a couple of different events, right,
Speaker 6: A huge number of the booths here, particularly when you
Speaker 6: get to the areas where all of the company all
Speaker 6: the booths are small, and all of the companies have
Speaker 6: like different like like Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, or Taiwanese names.
Speaker 6: Right when you get to like that chunk of the
Speaker 6: of the of the show, most of the people who
Speaker 6: are walking around those booths, it's not like journalists because
Speaker 6: in a lot of cases, a bunch of the booths
Speaker 6: have the same products that are just like slightly different,
Speaker 6: like the same battery, but a different case. Because who's
Speaker 6: advertising there are like OEMs, it's like factories and like
Speaker 6: manufacturers of different like things that are advertising we make this,
Speaker 6: we make this, and you can like buy this part
Speaker 6: to make or to sell like as part of other
Speaker 6: tech gear, right, And there are buyers and there are
Speaker 6: representatives of companies that are like looking to contract with
Speaker 6: manufacturers and whatnot who make can.
Speaker 2: Do business here.
Speaker 6: That's like a chunk of the event that we don't
Speaker 6: have really any because that's not journalists aren't interested in that.
Speaker 2: And that's most of that is kind of full of
Speaker 2: these I was mentioning like photonic scent sense and we
Speaker 2: had things.
Speaker 6: Just for like one group I went past like twenty
Speaker 6: booths that we're all just selling different pieces of solar panels. Right, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's not form valid, right, and that's fine and that
Speaker 6: so that's like a big chunk of the event. And
Speaker 6: then another chunk of the event is consumer electronics, which
Speaker 6: is where most of the bullshit is, right because it's
Speaker 6: like eighty percent, well, this, no one will ever buy this,
Speaker 6: this is a terrible idea, and twenty percent ranging from Okay,
Speaker 6: there's probably a customer for this to like, oh, that's
Speaker 6: actually really cool. And then the third chunk of the event,
Speaker 6: which journalists are also involved in, is like this is
Speaker 6: not a product yet, but it will be, or these
Speaker 6: are ways in which we are looking to integrate technology
Speaker 6: into like things that are above the consumer level, like
Speaker 6: all of the smart city stuff, all of like the
Speaker 6: smart vehicle stuff, right where journalists are interested in that,
Speaker 6: consumers are interested in that, but you as a consumer,
Speaker 6: an't going to go buy a smart street light, right Yeah.
Speaker 6: So that so I kind of look at as like
Speaker 6: those are the three events that cees is.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's clarifying, thank you. Yeah. I think like the
Speaker 2: majority of this year just feels like chat GPT wrappers. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's most of what most of what I've seen
Speaker 6: as some form of AI chatbot integration or glasses we'll chat.
Speaker 10: I saw one interesting uh we talked to one vendor
Speaker 10: that was like an AI thing that actually seemed to
Speaker 10: kind of do something okay, which was they, Okay, if
Speaker 10: you have an autonomous driving system and it goes on
Speaker 10: a drive and the drive doesn't go well, this will
Speaker 10: simulate a slight version of the like they can take
Speaker 10: a real drive, turn it into a simulation, and then
Speaker 10: have the agent or whatever it is, the weay mo
Speaker 10: do it again like in its head.
Speaker 2: To like make it do it better the next time.
Speaker 10: I'm like, okay, that that seems like sure a company,
Speaker 10: an AI company that a different one of these companies
Speaker 10: my contracts will date specifically.
Speaker 6: What I like about that is that that's a company.
Speaker 6: I don't know how all this product will work, but
Speaker 6: that's a company that's thinking about solving a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I always gravitate towards like someone identified a problem and
Speaker 6: they made a thing.
Speaker 2: Maybe it doesn't work. I suppose the ones just making
Speaker 2: up a problem rather than feling to solve it. You
Speaker 2: know how your.
Speaker 6: Kid doesn't have a robot hallucinating horoscopes for it? Well,
Speaker 6: we have solved that.
Speaker 2: Does your does your does? Where? Does does your kid
Speaker 2: think that Taiwan is Taiwan or China? Right? Well, this, this,
Speaker 2: this toy is going to tell your child that it
Speaker 2: has offended it terribly. Do not mention Winnie the pool
Speaker 2: to ai Bop. You will get fucking drunks, you little
Speaker 2: shit claude. Don't talk about and sweat.
Speaker 6: Is your four year old having too much trouble finding
Speaker 6: which under the sink chemicals are most caustic? This new
Speaker 6: teddy bear will make sure they know and teach them
Speaker 6: how to open all your pill bottles.
Speaker 2: This adorable rabbit will teach your five year old about BDSM.
Speaker 2: And what's funny is we are sounding like we're making jokes.
Speaker 2: No horror, this is a thing happening today. Welcome, Welcome,
Speaker 2: because you may be thinking, well, also, doesn't it do
Speaker 2: all the assistant stuff? And you'll be surprised to hear
Speaker 2: it does not. None of this refuck. I am like
Speaker 2: I would actually love to be elated. I would love
Speaker 2: to see something I'd love to I brought in so
Speaker 2: many people spoken in so many hours, and I'll swear
Speaker 2: to fucking god, I'm trying. There's some like there was.
Speaker 6: Okay, A cool thing I saw today is this company
Speaker 6: that is advertising like paper batteries, right, okay, and the
Speaker 6: actual battery isn't isn't paper, but like the battery like
Speaker 6: the core of the battery is made out of cellulose
Speaker 6: and so the only other and that decomposes. And so
Speaker 6: basically instead of dealing with batteries the way you do
Speaker 6: now with batteries like this, you throw them into compost,
Speaker 6: you compost them, and then you filter the metal bits
Speaker 6: out and you can recycle the metal bit separately, and
Speaker 6: then the compost is usable compost.
Speaker 2: Right, that's useful potentially.
Speaker 6: Again, I have not looked into this company and done
Speaker 6: like third party report also how they are claiming it works.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it works, but it's at least
Speaker 6: an idea and.
Speaker 2: By here filter the metals and like, but you know
Speaker 2: what again, And I'm also like, yeah, who's gonna be
Speaker 2: doing that also? But that has great ramifications for disposable things.
Speaker 6: That's against someone's trying, yes to take humanity a step forward,
Speaker 6: and at least that's.
Speaker 2: Good as opposed to like the eighteenth different VACUUS autonomous
Speaker 2: driving as opposed to what I saw next to that booth,
Speaker 2: yea meat which the company name is just M M
Speaker 2: E E T T.
Speaker 6: Don't know what that means, and it's it's they have
Speaker 6: an AI business card. They actually have two different card products.
Speaker 6: One is it's the size of a business card. If
Speaker 6: a business card was way thicker and couldn actually fit
Speaker 6: in your wallet and would be super easy to break
Speaker 6: even if it wasn't your wallet. But you tap into
Speaker 6: someone's phone and if their phone as an NFT reader
Speaker 6: like or.
Speaker 2: Not n F NFC, Sorry, oh I couldn't.
Speaker 6: If your phone has an NFC reader, it'll pop populate
Speaker 6: automatically with their like business card.
Speaker 2: And one quick problem sure if you bump in phone together,
Speaker 2: it will do this without you having like an easily
Speaker 2: breakable piece of electron.
Speaker 6: Interesting what if I told you would? Also, as long
Speaker 6: as you have an Internet connection, can translate things because
Speaker 6: they can just stick that on whatever. Now I would
Speaker 6: I'm using a shitty speaker, I assume, Oh well, I'm sold.
Speaker 2: I just fucking And.
Speaker 6: The other product they had was a thicker card that
Speaker 6: they bragged with as thin as three millimeters houses for
Speaker 6: AI assistants, all the chat bots, they don't actually live
Speaker 6: in the product. Again, it's connecting. Why do you need internet?
Speaker 2: Really simple? What is for? Is that just different? That's
Speaker 2: just prompt engineering. These motherfuckers are claiming as like eleven AI.
Speaker 6: Ah, no, no, you're you're being unfair. They've got the
Speaker 6: AI meeting assistant turn conversations anywhere into summaries, insights and
Speaker 6: action items to boost productivity.
Speaker 2: They've got an AI.
Speaker 6: Translation assistant break language barriers across one hundred.
Speaker 4: And forty five So there's not four ais.
Speaker 2: No, it's just four different things. Does it's just prompt engineering?
Speaker 2: Because I don't think they were lying to explain.
Speaker 3: Because it's like all using chat gpty so to explain
Speaker 3: to a sales assistant, which is so promptent.
Speaker 2: Ring is literally just every single AI product you have
Speaker 2: ever seen on this floor is just prompts. It's prompts
Speaker 2: for the API and telling it you are a sales assistant,
Speaker 2: you are a meeting assistant. That's all it is. It's
Speaker 2: just text. It's just it's all text. Every single one
Speaker 2: of these is just text. I am Yeah, Well, what
Speaker 2: about the pixels yeah.
Speaker 6: Sometimes it's Yes, it's multimodal an AI inspiration assistant ideas
Speaker 6: and develop them in the future possibility.
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Speaker 3: wait wait.
Speaker 2: You can use that. You're a writer.
Speaker 3: You can what do you mean capture fleeting ideas? Do
Speaker 3: you mean have an idea? Focus on it in I've
Speaker 3: got to be clear your own brain. Then you can't.
Speaker 3: An AI can't it. If it's fleeting, it leaves your
Speaker 3: brain faster than you can type it into your busines
Speaker 3: his card.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking about, like, because I keep a notebook and
Speaker 6: sometimes I like jot down ideas in it. I'm thinking about,
Speaker 6: like that time I woke up after blacking out and
Speaker 6: just written on a page in the notebook was Hitler
Speaker 6: with abs question mark?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: The AI could have really helped me. That could have
Speaker 6: been something, you know, Hitler with abs could have been
Speaker 6: the next goog.
Speaker 10: Wow, Robert Hitler with abs. Sure is an invigorating and
Speaker 10: original idea.
Speaker 11: We're not just coming up with an idea. You're touching
Speaker 11: into something that everyone else is feeling.
Speaker 2: What if he had abs? Right? So I'm not just
Speaker 2: an idea. It's a revolution. That's another hitler with abs
Speaker 2: that real quick. It's not another one of those tweets
Speaker 2: about AI wrotes, like every AI thing is like, it's
Speaker 2: not just big, it's huge.
Speaker 10: That has literally become to me in the last month
Speaker 10: that has if whenever I see it's not X, it's y,
Speaker 10: I'm like, that's LLLM test.
Speaker 2: So as we wrap up and Adam is finally released
Speaker 2: into the into the wild again, is that I'm just
Speaker 2: going to tell you the worst name I saw on
Speaker 2: the show floor and I fucking looked and it would
Speaker 2: be junkie Cream.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got junk yunk cream.
Speaker 2: We love junk and it is just an AI slop company.
Speaker 2: It was just like it was just I don't want
Speaker 2: to talk about what they did because they couldn't work
Speaker 2: it out. And also it was very obviously we're trying
Speaker 2: to be like because it.
Speaker 4: Is just money.
Speaker 3: That's so that's exactly. No, no, no, it's like an
Speaker 3: it's like an illustration. It's like an it's like semi
Speaker 3: animation producing whatever.
Speaker 2: It's very clearly meant to make you go junkie.
Speaker 4: Cream, right, And that's actually exactly.
Speaker 2: Why I it looks like, come, I haven't brought it.
Speaker 3: Up because I saw it yesterday and I was like,
Speaker 3: junkie cream.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: And then as soon as you walk over it's the
Speaker 3: whole vibe is isn't this crazy junkie cream that ruins it?
Speaker 3: Like that's not it's not it's not funny anymore.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of those about yesterday, the jerk off
Speaker 2: hand and I saw that. I saw that today, and
Speaker 2: I get the handy. I get exactly what you mean, though,
Speaker 2: It's like you can look, it's not it's not your
Speaker 2: grandma's jack off machine. It's like a very sad thing.
Speaker 3: It's only funny when it's when the product is in earnest,
Speaker 3: like the Okay, I think, Edward, I think you were
Speaker 3: talking about toilet cams. But I then saw, I think,
Speaker 3: a different toilet cam than you did. And when the
Speaker 3: guy was explaining it to me, he was, first of all,
Speaker 3: the words camera in your toilet are, at least to
Speaker 3: a woman, the camera four words that you can string together.
Speaker 3: And so then when he was explaining it, he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: so then the camera. So you put the cam, you
Speaker 3: put the thing in, and he put you put the
Speaker 3: camera in your toilet, and and he goes, and I said.
Speaker 3: I was like, and it's facing down right, and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: he goes.
Speaker 4: Obviously it's facing down.
Speaker 3: And I was like, and then he paused and he goes,
Speaker 3: or maybe it wasn't obvious, and I was like, yeah, honestly.
Speaker 6: Notting a toilet in a camera and a toilet everything's
Speaker 6: on the table.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you might do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And what happens to those photos?
Speaker 3: And what?
Speaker 2: What? What fuck toilet camera?
Speaker 4: What is this product supposed to do?
Speaker 3: It's looking at your ship and going, hey, you got
Speaker 3: to drink more water.
Speaker 4: That's the way it does. It insane with a permanent camera.
Speaker 2: I forget who posted it, but it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: know it's because my piss is like looks like a
Speaker 2: high viz vest.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Like the consistency of your poop is already you
Speaker 10: know it when it's happened.
Speaker 3: If you're like diary, yeah, yeah, ask them. And this
Speaker 3: little machine has so many pieces to it, like it's
Speaker 3: probably you know, like as you're holding it, it feels
Speaker 3: like it's probably like four separate housings that have been
Speaker 3: attached together to like make it all work. And I
Speaker 3: say that it looks it looks fine. I just say
Speaker 3: that to say, there's a lot of seams in the thing.
Speaker 2: And a load of pictures of piss, and presumably.
Speaker 3: That's in the cloud. That's for anybody to ask.
Speaker 2: Oh good, I'm sure that won't be breached.
Speaker 3: But I said, I was like, how do you clean
Speaker 3: the toilet cam? And he said, oh, you clean it
Speaker 3: in the same way that you would clean your toilet.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well for all, yeah, really weird?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, how does he clean his toilet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, clean his toilet.
Speaker 4: The follow up question, how often? Also, this is sitting
Speaker 4: on the rim.
Speaker 3: I like, I'm happy to use the scrub brush, but
Speaker 3: it is once a year at best that I really
Speaker 3: like getting there with elbow grease around the rim. And
Speaker 3: then this thing has so many once a year.
Speaker 4: I guess that's exactly how I.
Speaker 10: Pay a lady clean your toilet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, to
Speaker 10: clean my toilet to look through the photo.
Speaker 3: Also, I have a camera on my toilet. It is
Speaker 3: called my cell phone, which I bring with me every time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. All, So just if you I'm just gonna as
Speaker 2: we wrap, I think this statement I want to make
Speaker 2: is if you are thinking I'm going to put a
Speaker 2: camera in a toilet, Your fucking scumbag. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: just I.
Speaker 3: Met the guy who founded the company and he seems
Speaker 3: sweet and like you just had bad shits.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it is like, I don't know, buddy, A
Speaker 4: camera can't be the.
Speaker 2: Just but I think the going robot.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just because you're right that this is
Speaker 6: something that is going to be more immediately, Like more
Speaker 6: women are going to immediately respond negatively to this idea
Speaker 6: than men because there's a chunk of men. I'm sure
Speaker 6: there's just a smaller number of women too, but there's
Speaker 6: a chunk of men who have absolutely no interest in
Speaker 6: their own privacy, have absolutely no concerns about privacy, and
Speaker 6: are shocked and kind of scared when they realize other
Speaker 6: people have a sense of privacy. And most of those
Speaker 6: guys violation of threat exactly. Yeah, who are Like you
Speaker 6: don't want a camera on you at all time? You
Speaker 6: don't want a camera on you, like when you're when
Speaker 6: you're having sex. That's weird you wouldn't want Yeah, it
Speaker 6: would be upset if.
Speaker 2: I had a camera in a public space trained on you.
Speaker 6: You don't post about how many erections the robots that
Speaker 6: you have every night.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I bet that's it. All right, We're
Speaker 2: gonna wrap up. I'm gonna read my favorite name from
Speaker 2: the the show floor, Shenzen City Wenzita's Motor Manufacture Co. Limited.
Speaker 2: That's a fucking name. Shen Zen Pan Brain Technology Co. Limited.
Speaker 2: Hand brain basically like brain brain, like in a head. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like it's actually a really worrying photo. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's just like a guy sitting there full
Speaker 2: sleep faster and it looks like a sleep act near mask.
Speaker 2: But it just looks like a horrifying thing.
Speaker 4: It looks like something that people use in kick Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like how the guy in Manhunter was
Speaker 2: like towards the anyway, can I tell one more story? Please?
Speaker 2: Please please?
Speaker 10: Okay, just this is the most useful thing that I'm
Speaker 10: gonna leave with, and you can jump into the story
Speaker 10: if you want. We went to the Weai Moo booth,
Speaker 10: which was mostly just way mo is here, you know,
Speaker 10: waymo here it is. But they had a little line
Speaker 10: and if you scan your badge and you push a button,
Speaker 10: it would dispense a little a little goodie for you.
Speaker 10: And first of all, very clearly there's just a person
Speaker 10: in there.
Speaker 2: And they get a very upset if you suggest otherwise.
Speaker 10: Really if you if you say that, they are but
Speaker 10: like sometimes you'd scan your thing and then sometimes it
Speaker 10: would take like four or five seconds and like the
Speaker 10: little pin would like come out at an irregular angle,
Speaker 10: like this is a guy back there, and like that's
Speaker 10: much cheaper than any other mechanism. And then you take
Speaker 10: the little pin and they go, oh, you're a winner.
Speaker 10: Everybody was a winner, but like, oh you're a winner.
Speaker 10: And then you go to a different guy and they
Speaker 10: give you a way Mo hat and a little beanie
Speaker 10: and tomorrow I'm flying in Madison, Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: It's going to be cold, and bring a hat.
Speaker 10: So that's Waimo has made my life.
Speaker 3: Well advertise for Waymo.
Speaker 10: I think it's gonna be pretty clear. It's ironic. Okay,
Speaker 10: if my hat says.
Speaker 2: We adam my god, I'm so I'm so sorry, I'm.
Speaker 6: A little I'm a little tipsy. So for a second
Speaker 6: it was unclear to me. I thought you were saying
Speaker 6: that Waimo had given you a ticket to Madison, Wisconsin.
Speaker 6: I was like, what an incredible advertising.
Speaker 2: Foss stand up to Madison, get in there.
Speaker 4: Airplane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, as we wrap this up and
Speaker 2: Adam has to he has to go, Adam, plug your stuff,
Speaker 2: plug your shit.
Speaker 10: Okay, I'll be well listen the Factually podcast, which sometimes
Speaker 10: but I'm gonna be a Madison, Wisconsin docy this weekend,
Speaker 10: a comedy on State. Next week, I'll be Fort Wayne
Speaker 10: Summer Comedy Club. After that, Louisville, Houston, Texas, and finally
Speaker 10: taping a special on at the Punchline in San Francisco
Speaker 10: from February nineteenth through twenty first.
Speaker 2: Lovely Chloe, why don't you because you do this too?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do this too. This weekend.
Speaker 3: I'll be in Cincinnati next week, and I'll be in Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. And uh the week after that, not the weekend.
Speaker 3: I will be doing my solo show called Cheat in
Speaker 3: Philadelphia January twenty twenty one and twenty two, and then
Speaker 3: at the end of January, I'll be in Vermont and
Speaker 3: then for Collins and then Fargo, going to Fargo.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's all that's gonna be colder than man.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, of course.
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