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Speaker 1: the Late Kick Extra podcast Wednesday, January nineteenth, Year of

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Speaker 1: Our Lord, twenty twenty two. Happy, Happy, Happy to have

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Speaker 1: you along. If you don't know what we're doing here,

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Speaker 1: as I have chosen to call this time of year.

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Speaker 1: And we may be stretching that. There are some things

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Speaker 1: at late Kickjosh on Instagram, Josh paid seven zero six

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Speaker 1: at gmail dot com, anything and everything under the sun

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about, mainly college football, but not

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Speaker 1: the way it is. So speaking of the format, I

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Speaker 1: and producer Jesse and I was just talking about our format.

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Speaker 1: You know, during the year we do three live shows,

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Speaker 1: and then this time of year we back it down

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Speaker 1: But we have to decide, and by we, I mean you,

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Speaker 1: you are in that line of work, So you're telling

436
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Speaker 1: me it is cut out for you. That's like a

437
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 1: professional bowler who only throws a two point fifteen in

438
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Speaker 1: the championship match, turning around to me with a coke

439
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,920
Speaker 1: in my hand, and he says, hey, you know, being

440
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,680
Speaker 1: a professional bowler is harder than it looks.

441
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Speaker 2: I know that.

442
00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,840
Speaker 1: First Off, I didn't say anything. I'm drinking my coke.

443
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,800
Speaker 1: Leave me alone, jerk. Secondly, you're the professional bowler, dude,

444
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,680
Speaker 1: not me. You're the one out here yelling.

445
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 2: Who do you think you are? I am not me?

446
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,160
Speaker 2: If you know, you know. And so with the officiating.

447
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Speaker 1: Problem, I would say, can we figure out a standard

448
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,280
Speaker 1: cause the problem that the audience has right now, the

449
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 1: problem we have as observers is the standard is not

450
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 1: good enough. What's acceptable as college officiating is not good enough.

451
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Speaker 1: I've got immense respect for these folks. I know a

452
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Speaker 1: bunch of high school officials. I know how hard it is. Look,

453
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,399
Speaker 1: if I come down on any side, I actually have

454
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,320
Speaker 1: the backs of the officials. I don't have the back

455
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 1: of the entire mechanism that's in place right now, where

456
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 1: there's this little magical ar around college football officials, and

457
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,160
Speaker 1: there's this nickel and dime portion of our sport. It's

458
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,919
Speaker 1: kind of a branch attached to a billion dollar tree.

459
00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,080
Speaker 1: Everything else we do in this sport is so grandiose,

460
00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,000
Speaker 1: is so well thought out, and it's held to such

461
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 1: a high standard that I look at what passes as

462
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Speaker 1: officiating and a product of officiating in college football, and

463
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Speaker 1: I just asked myself, how can that be? If the

464
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Speaker 1: Aliens landed on planet Earth today and they watched college football,

465
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Speaker 1: among the first things they would say is why would

466
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Speaker 1: you expand the playoff? And also what are you doing

467
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 1: with officiating in this sport? So how do you fix it?

468
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 1: Was the question there. Well, how I would fix it

469
00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,400
Speaker 1: is I would look at it. And anytime someone said, Josh,

470
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 1: you can't be criticizing these folks. You know, they're part time,

471
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,280
Speaker 1: they're voluntari well, they're not volunteers, but they're part time.

472
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 1: They don't do this for a living. They're not full time.

473
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Speaker 1: They don't make a ton of money, I would say

474
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Speaker 1: those are the most pathetic straw man arguments that you

475
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,479
Speaker 1: hear in college football. Here's how I know they are

476
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,720
Speaker 1: straw man arguments because every league in the Power Five,

477
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 1: at the very least tomorrow, has plenty enough cash on

478
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 1: hand to designate full time status and triple and quadruple

479
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 1: the salaries of every official that they employ. You could

480
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Speaker 1: afford to do that tomorrow. In fact, I was conservative

481
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Speaker 1: with those estimates. You could really pay them whatever you

482
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Speaker 1: want to. You could afford to do that tomorrow. You

483
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 1: won't do it, and you won't do it because the

484
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Speaker 1: reason why these guys are so protected and there's such

485
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,879
Speaker 1: a shroud of secrecy over it has nothing to do

486
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Speaker 1: with their part time status or what their salary is.

487
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, you guys just don't want the smoke.

488
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 1: For whatever reason, you don't want to bear the responsibility

489
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 1: that comes with the officiating apparatus attached to your conferences.

490
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Speaker 1: I don't know why that is. Like, if I were

491
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Speaker 1: in charge, my general thought is I would want a

492
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Speaker 1: lot of transparency. In fact, I would want there to be,

493
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Speaker 1: if not an official from that crew, I would want

494
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Speaker 1: someone who represents every crew to have to meet with

495
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 1: the media after every game to give an account of

496
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: controversial plays. So oftentimes in these big games, you come

497
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: out of these games and the talking points aren't you

498
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: know Jones made a great catch on third and nineteen

499
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Speaker 1: to keep the drive.

500
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: Moving ended up being the game winner. Hey, how about that?

501
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: Dooinked field goal.

502
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: Boy, that was pressure and what crowd noise probably impacted that.

503
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: That's the way sports should sound after the game. Instead,

504
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: we got folks moaning and crying about officiating. And in

505
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 1: a lot of cases they're right. People have complained about

506
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Speaker 1: officiating since the dawn of creation. In a lot of cases.

507
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: Unfortunately in college, they have valid arguments. I mean, it's

508
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: not a bunch of well, they missed a holding call

509
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: in the second quarter and we lost because of it.

510
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Speaker 1: It's not that crowd I'm talking about it. It's the

511
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Speaker 1: crowd that says, you know, that play should not have

512
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: been blown dead, that was a scoop and score. You know,

513
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: forward progress should not have been stopped there, that was

514
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: a touchdown. These are pretty clear, and these are the

515
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: kind of calls that changed the outcomes of games literally,

516
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 1: and you don't ever get real explanations for it. And

517
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: you may get some anonymous quotes or sources the following

518
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Speaker 1: Monday where the league reached out to the university directly

519
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: and apologized and let them know they made the wrong call.

520
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 1: How about letting your actual audience know. How about letting

521
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: your actual fans know what's going on the sport doesn't

522
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 1: exist without them. You're not guarding state secrets. This is

523
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 1: not government activity. You are in the entertainment business. I

524
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: think sometimes you get so far in the bubble you

525
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 1: don't realize that this is entertainment man. You are in

526
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: the entertainment business. You do not have a product. You

527
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: don't have a fancy office in Charlotte or Birmingham or

528
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: or Chicago. You don't have a job if you're a

529
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Speaker 1: coach or an official, or you don't have a scholarship

530
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Speaker 1: if you're a player. If there are not folks in

531
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Speaker 1: those seats and folks at home watching on TV fascinated

532
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: with your product, you are here to serve them, not

533
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Speaker 1: the other way around. I would not keep my audience

534
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: in the dark on those sorts of things. But for

535
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,959
Speaker 1: whatever reason they do, and short of changing the status

536
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: quo there, which I guess would mean changing the employment

537
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: status of officials, I don't know that you're to get

538
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: any more accountability.

539
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: And it's a shame.

540
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 1: It's a shame because it should not have taken this

541
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: long even for this to be addressed. I just I myself.

542
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: I am not a procrastinator. For example, when I see

543
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: on my sheet in front of me. We have something

544
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: to do. I do it right now, which is why

545
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: we'll return right after this.

546
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 2: I got you, I got you with it.

547
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: If you tell me you saw that ad read coming,

548
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: I will give you ten minutes solo on the next podcast.

549
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: But you have to take a polygraph test first. Let's see.

550
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: Edward is next up. He said he wants a Tennessee

551
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: mood tracker. Edward, that's coming on a future Late Kick Live.

552
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: We're doing mood trackers now. It's mood Tracker season. I

553
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: put out like a little call to action last show,

554
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 1: and I asked you what do you want more of

555
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm still listening to those suggestions. By the way, so

556
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: many of you said bring back the mood tracker, and

557
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: we were gonna do it anyway. But I've just expedited

558
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: that process. So the mood tracker has started. We did

559
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: Florida the other night. We're gonna do Tennessee soon. We

560
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: will do dozens of these by the time spring practices

561
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: are over. Aaron, next up? Who had the best game

562
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Speaker 1: day food of any venue you visited? You were very

563
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:04,719
Speaker 1: complementary of several stops. I want the best game day spread. Well,

564
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: the first thing I have to tell you is when

565
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: you go to a game at AT and T Stadium,

566
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 1: so that's the Cowboys home stadium. I went there for Texas,

567
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: A and M in Arkansas. That's cheating because Jerry Jones

568
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: make sure that you're just blown away. So you have

569
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: a personal chef, you have carving stations. You are just

570
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: treated well above and beyond what you deserve to be

571
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: treated like. So I'm going to take that one off

572
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,360
Speaker 1: the table, cause that's like going to a four star

573
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: restaurant at a football game. In terms of on campus

574
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 1: dining in press boxes, I've still got to go with

575
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Speaker 1: Baylor because Baylor served breakfast. I mean Baylor gave us breakfast.

576
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Speaker 1: It was eleven am kickoff, and Baylor had the chicken

577
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: and waffle Sammy's, and they had the syrup station where

578
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: you could get assorted syrups that were dippable. They also

579
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: had a massive hash brown conglomerate in there to serve

580
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: you Hash Browns. And I know that sounds like it's basic,

581
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: but I am basic. Some people speak that pejoratively. I

582
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: wear it as a badge of honor. It's how I

583
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: get by on like a thirty dollars per year ward budget,

584
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 1: and my haircare budget is even lower than that. So

585
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: I just get to sit on every dime I make

586
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: and not spend it on these things that other people

587
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: around me spend their money on.

588
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: And thanks so much to Baylor.

589
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: So then we went to Ohio State Michigan State, and

590
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: this was at the Horseshoe.

591
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 2: This was in Columbus, and.

592
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: They had breakfast too. And here's the thing about here's

593
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: the thing about Ohio State. Think I may have shared

594
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: this when we went on the trip. They have McDonald's

595
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: cater a specific thing to the press box. They don't

596
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: bring food up there. They do their own food. And

597
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: they did breakfast too, and it was really good too.

598
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: But they have McDonald's specifically provide them with those mccafes

599
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: and mcfrape's, which i'd never had before. I've become a

600
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: big cold brew coffee guy. Sipping on one right now.

601
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: I don't do the flavor stuff, you know, that's just

602
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: getting too fancy for me. But since they're sitting there

603
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: mountain of them, they're all free.

604
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 2: I took a couple of them.

605
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: I went up in the press box because the game

606
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: was a bloodbath, and so I just started sipping on

607
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: those things.

608
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: They're delicious.

609
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 1: I can see why you people snake your way around

610
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: those drive through lines in the morning to get one

611
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: of those delicious and they're loaded with sugar, and so

612
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: I should not have ingested two of them immediately, and

613
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: I was up well past midnight that night when I

614
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: got home. But those are so delicious, So that was

615
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: good too. That was my first experience down the flavored

616
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: coffee and iced coffee route. Those two stops were good.

617
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: And then when you get into the postseason, it's a

618
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: totally different ballgame. I am going to buy a helmet

619
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: or body camera one day, and I'm going to show

620
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: you the absurdity that you get when you go to

621
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: like the National Championship game. Do you realize, not only

622
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: do you get every meal provided to you, and not

623
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: only is your company paying for you to stay in

624
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: a nice, luxurious downtown hotel and whatever market you're in,

625
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: they also have a media party for you. And they

626
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: tell you not to provide photographs or put on social

627
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: media pictures of you being there, and people do it anyway.

628
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: They have a media suite that's opened from like seven

629
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: am to midnight, all kind of stuff, totally open bar,

630
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: which is a waste on me because I don't drink,

631
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: but a lot of these folks do so totally open bar.

632
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: Some people just live in the media hospitality suite and

633
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: then if that's not an enough, you can get a

634
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: free parking pass as a media member to the games.

635
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: But they also tell you you don't need a parking pass.

636
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: Don't worry, we're gonna give you. Let me clear my

637
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: throat a police escorted charter bus media shuttle to the stadium.

638
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: Yes.

639
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: Friends, So whether you're Nick Saban or someone who is

640
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: riding for the Gadsden Times, you are showing up to

641
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: your stadium for.

642
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: A National championship game in the same style.

643
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: In some languages, I believe they refer to that as overkill,

644
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: and I take part in it. So it's very hypocritical

645
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: of me to make fun of it, knowing all the

646
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: while that I take part in it. But it's one

647
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: of those deals where as long as it's there, I

648
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: don't want it to go to waste. But if they

649
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: took it away, I wouldn't complain because I have taken

650
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: everything short of a pogo stick to a game, and

651
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Speaker 1: I have parked over a mile away from stadiums before

652
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Speaker 1: and just trudged my way in there and trudged my

653
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Speaker 1: happy little self back out and stayed until the final

654
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Speaker 1: whistle every time. So this is all ridiculous to me.

655
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Speaker 1: This entire world is ridiculous to me. But I want

656
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Speaker 1: to stress. As long as they put it in front

657
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Speaker 1: of me, I will part. Let's go allen here next,

658
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: he said, what are some of the big winners and

659
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Speaker 1: losers from the portal lottery so far? I don't know

660
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Speaker 1: that we can fully put a cap on this, obviously,

661
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Speaker 1: because the portal, if we want to call it a window,

662
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Speaker 1: the portal window, to me, does not really wrap up

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Speaker 1: until after spring practice. I think what we're learning now,

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Speaker 1: and we're still early on in this, but what we're

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Speaker 1: learning is there are different portal seasons, and one of

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Speaker 1: them is obviously at the end of the year leading

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Speaker 1: up to spring classes starting, so right now, that's why

668
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Speaker 1: you're seeing a lot of activity right now, and then

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Speaker 1: it'll die down and then guys will go through spring practice,

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Speaker 1: and then there's going to be a second flurry after

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Speaker 1: spring practice, and then I guess unofficially, by the time

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Speaker 1: media days kickoff, you kind of want to know that

673
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Speaker 1: your roster is set, so at that point we will

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Speaker 1: be able to know. However, early on, certainly you've got

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Speaker 1: to call South Carolina a big winner. You've got to

676
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Speaker 1: call USC a big winner. Pending the whole Caleb Williams sweepstakes.

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Speaker 1: I think Texas has.

678
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Speaker 2: Been a big winner here.

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Speaker 1: I think that Arkansas is absolutely a big winner here.

680
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Speaker 1: LSU has overturned like half of their team in the

681
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Speaker 1: transfer portal. They're in double digits now of transfer portal editions.

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Speaker 1: And this is not an exhaustive list. I know I'm

683
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Speaker 1: leaving some teams off. That's where my mind is at

684
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Speaker 1: right now. And then we will obviously do copious amounts

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Speaker 1: of transfer portal winners and losers. And you got the

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Speaker 1: transfer portal rankings on twenty four to seven sports dot

687
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Speaker 1: Com that I would strongly advise you keeping up with. Yeah,

688
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Speaker 1: there's a lot going on with the transfer portal. I

689
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Speaker 1: think I've told you guys this, but I continue to

690
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Speaker 1: be amazed. That is our highest traffic topic anytime on

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Speaker 1: Late Kick. I've been talking about anything lately, and we've

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Speaker 1: got a team that measures all this stuff. Our analytics

693
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Speaker 1: tell us you care about that more than anything, which

694
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Speaker 1: is funny because you totally threw the media industry for

695
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Speaker 1: a loop. They thought all of you were going to

696
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Speaker 1: be fascinated by nil and you wouldn't care as much

697
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Speaker 1: about the transfer portal, and it's been ten to one

698
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Speaker 1: the opposite way. I don't even talk about nil. When's

699
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Speaker 1: the last time I did a dedicated nil segment on

700
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Speaker 1: Late Kick? Conversely, when's the last time I did not

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Speaker 1: do at least something on the transfer portal on Lake Kig.

702
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Speaker 1: So that's just an example number one thousand of you

703
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Speaker 1: driving the show. We are delivering you what you want.

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Speaker 1: If you'll notice there are some other entities out there

705
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Speaker 1: still trying to shove nil down your throat. I know

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Speaker 1: that if you really want it, you'll go find it somewhere,

707
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Speaker 1: but none of you have emphasized to me that you're

708
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Speaker 1: fascinated by nil to the point where we are dedicating

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Speaker 1: Late Kick resources and time to it.

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Speaker 2: Jack is up next. Congratulations to Jack. He is paid state.

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Speaker 1: Material and here's why, he says, you have converted me

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Speaker 1: to being an anti expansionist. Jack, you could also refer

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Speaker 1: to yourself as just a man.

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Speaker 2: Of common sense.

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Speaker 1: He continues that said, do you see any benefit to

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Speaker 1: a team like Baylor getting in with an expanded playoff.

717
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Speaker 1: I love your take on Ohio State versus Michigan for

718
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: seeding just being gross. I just wish that a great

719
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Speaker 1: Baylor Oklahoma State Big twelve title game had more stakes.

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Speaker 1: So let me be careful with the way I answer this. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there would be benefit to a program like Baylor making

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Speaker 1: the playoff. Yes I think that, but it's not in

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Speaker 1: a vacuum. I don't think that at the expense of

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Speaker 1: wanting to implement it at the.

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Speaker 2: Expense of this sentence is going to make no sense.

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Speaker 2: So just go with me.

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Speaker 1: At the expense of deluding any portion of the back

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Speaker 1: half of the regular season, I'm not going to go

729
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Speaker 1: down that argument route. I know what everyone's take on

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Speaker 1: it is. But here's what I was talking to someone

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Speaker 1: about the other day. Peter Burns actually from SEC Network.

732
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Speaker 1: He was posting some things he wanted to see change,

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Speaker 1: and we were going back and forth about his proposal

734
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Speaker 1: because he is an expansionist, but he's a radical expansionist.

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Speaker 1: You know, he is a fringe expansionist if you will.

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Speaker 1: Peter Burns just floated a violent, violent idea out there

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Speaker 1: in theory. Of course, figurative figurative violence. Here he said,

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Speaker 1: I am for a twelve team playoff, no auto bids.

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Speaker 1: Now you want to see a crowd celebrate the first

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Speaker 1: half of a sentence and then bemoan the back half

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Speaker 1: of a sentence. Put him up on a pedestal in

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Speaker 1: a room full of certain conference commissioners and have him

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Speaker 1: share that proposal. We're going to go twelve teams for

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Speaker 1: the playoff, guys, no auto bids.

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Speaker 2: Boo. That's exactly what it would say.

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Speaker 1: So someone asked me kind of close falling in line

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Speaker 1: with that, is there any form of expansion that you

748
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Speaker 1: would support? And this is going to surprise you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's one I could stomach. I'm not going to support it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not showing up at the rally. But if you

751
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Speaker 1: had a six team, just a modest six team playoff

752
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Speaker 1: with first round byes for the top two seeds and

753
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Speaker 1: no auto bids, I would be on board with that.

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Speaker 1: I could stomach it. Again, I'm not supporting it. I

755
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Speaker 1: think four is plenty. I would go back to two

756
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Speaker 1: just as soon as I would expand. But if you

757
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Speaker 1: told me we're going to expand this thing, but it's

758
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Speaker 1: going to be six teams. I do not think you

759
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Speaker 1: delude the regular season at all with that, and you

760
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: absolutely emphasize winning because you have the top two seeds

761
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Speaker 1: getting buys. But there are also no ratchet autobids, which

762
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Speaker 1: have no place at the table in college athletics. You

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Speaker 1: do not prove anything to me by merely winning a conference.

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Speaker 2: That includes the SEC.

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Speaker 1: I don't support any conference having an automatic seat at

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Speaker 1: the table. Here's my thinking on that. My thinking is,

767
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Speaker 1: if you're a conference champion, and you truly are good

768
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Speaker 1: enough to be considered one of the six best teams

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Speaker 1: in the country or most deserving teams in the country,

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Speaker 1: there will be no doubt by the end of the year,

771
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Speaker 1: Like when is the last time you saw a team

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Speaker 1: win a conference and had any business in a national

773
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Speaker 1: championship discussion? But you were saying, well, I just don't

774
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Speaker 1: know if they're one of the six best teams in

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Speaker 1: the country.

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Speaker 2: We all know, everyone can see it. Now.

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Speaker 1: The counter to that's obviously, well, the only way to

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Speaker 1: have a true playoff is to have certain metrics that

779
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Speaker 1: you have to meet, and one of those needs to

780
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Speaker 1: be a conference championship.

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Speaker 2: No, that's not true.

782
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Speaker 1: That's true if you're talking about pro sports because that's

783
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Speaker 1: the way professional sports are rightly modeled. That's the way

784
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: pro sports should be modeled, because everything about the construction

785
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: and modeling of professional sports is built to push everyone

786
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: towards the middle. The best team and the worst team

787
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: on any given Sunday in the NFL are on the

788
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Speaker 1: field and the spreads like fifteen points. It's not even

789
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Speaker 1: remotely comparable to what college athletics are. There are no

790
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: so violent swings in strength of schedule in pro football

791
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Speaker 1: anywhere remotely close to what it's like in college football.

792
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 1: The gap in the NFL between the best and worst

793
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: divisions in a conference is not even remotely comparable to

794
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Speaker 1: the gap between best and worst divisions and conferences in

795
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Speaker 1: college football. So you do not come to me, ever,

796
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Speaker 1: at least if you want me to listen to you

797
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: and say, well, this is the way the NFL does it, Well,

798
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Speaker 1: I guess what if you finish first this year, the

799
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Speaker 1: NFL is going to make you wait until number thirty

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Speaker 1: two to pick in the first round of the draft

801
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: next year, and they're going to tell you can only

802
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: take one player.

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Speaker 2: Are we doing that in recruiting? No? Okay, the end,

804
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: that's the end, as.

805
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Speaker 1: Long as you're being rewarded for success and punished for

806
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: success in one sport versus the other.

807
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Speaker 2: I don't want to look at the back end of.

808
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Speaker 1: Those sports and say, well, even though there's nothing similar

809
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: about the way we got here, we still have to

810
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: have congruency, for argument's sake, on the back end. Not

811
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Speaker 1: interested and so yes, if you were to float me

812
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Speaker 1: this sixteen proposal, that would give the Baylors or in

813
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Speaker 1: any given year in Oklahoma state a shot that maybe

814
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: they would get scrunched out from you had the whole

815
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Speaker 1: TCU and Baylor conundrum a few years ago.

816
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: This would have given them an avenue. I don't want

817
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Speaker 2: to go past six. I really don't want to go

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Speaker 2: past four.

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Speaker 1: But in any event, in any format, the absolute only

820
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Speaker 1: way you will ever have me give you any of

821
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Speaker 1: my attention is if you started off by saying, now,

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Speaker 1: before I tell you how many teams, here's what you

823
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: need to know. There will be no auto bids. It's

824
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: still just going to be we're taking the best of

825
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: the best. That's the only way to ever even get

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Speaker 1: me to listen. I have no interest in auto bids

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Speaker 1: for a thousand different reasons. I have much interest in continuing,

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Speaker 1: but producer Jordan only has so many hours in his

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Speaker 1: day and he's got to get this thing chopped up.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate you guys listening. Do me a favor,

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Speaker 1: Do me a favor. Hold on, don't turn it off yet.

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Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, all right, you're still there. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you can do it on Spotify now too. Make sure

834
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Speaker 1: you're giving us five star reviews. That's the first thing,

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Speaker 1: and the second thing. I want to crank this up again.

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Speaker 1: We got to crank up the old organic marketing machine.

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Speaker 1: I just need some of you guys to screenshot yourself

838
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: on your phone obviously listening to the pod, and just

839
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: post it on Instagram or Twitter. Tag me in it

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Speaker 1: so I'll see it. And that's about all I need

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Speaker 1: from you. Everything's free and it will remain free. But

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00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: it just helps the organic marketing aspect of the show.

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00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: You are the marketing department and you always will be,

844
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Speaker 1: so thank you for that. I don't want to be

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00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: renting banners to fly behind planes at Panama City. I

846
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Speaker 1: want to just do it the old fashioned way. So yeah,

847
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: let people know you're listening. That's the way we've grown

848
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Speaker 1: the show. That's the way that I would like to

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Speaker 1: continue growing it. For producer Jordan, I am Josh Pat

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. Have yourself as a great

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Speaker 1: rest of your day and God bless me.