1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: They say's the Bloomberg Daybreak Europe podcast. Good morning, It's Monday, 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 2: the ninth of March. I'm Stephen carrollin Brussels. Coming up today. 4 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: The price of oil jumps close to one hundred and 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 2: twenty dollars a barrel amid a broad markets selloff as 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: G seven ministers are said to discuss releasing their emergency reserves. 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: Ayatalla Ali Kamenei's son is announced as Irund's new supreme leader, 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: as President Trump mulls sending special forces into the country. 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: Plus why the Iran. 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 2: War is the latest blow for Europe's battered chemicals industry. 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. The 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: price of oil jumped close to one hundred and twenty 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 2: dollars a barrel this morning, as major Middle East producers 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: slash production over the continuing war in the region. The 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: global benchmark broncrude surged by as much as twenty nine 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: percent to one hundred and nineteen dollars and fifty cents 17 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: a barrel. That's the biggest intra day move since April 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. WTI also jumped by around a similar amount. 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: The markets are responding to the US that Kuwait and 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: the United Arab Emirates they're reducing oil production as their 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: storage rapidly fills up, while the Strait of Hormuz shipping 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 2: route remains effectively closed. Sarah Emerson is the president of 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: research firm Esai Energy. 24 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: You know, I think there was the expectation that this 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: conflict could be resolved in a couple of weeks, and 26 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: what we've learned. 27 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 3: Is that that's not going to be the case. 28 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: So now as the question of well, if it's not 29 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: one or two weeks, is it three weeks, is it 30 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: four weeks, is it five weeks? 31 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 3: You know, how long is this going to last? Where 32 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: the strain is actually. 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: Closed and producers are now being forced to shut in production. 34 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 3: Sarah Emerson speaking there. 35 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: The oil price has paired some of those gains after 36 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: the Financial Times report of the G seven finance ministers 37 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: will discuss a possible joint release of oil from their 38 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: reserves at a meeting later. Right now, Brent is trading 39 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 2: up fifteen percent on the day at one hundred and 40 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: seven dollars a barrel WTI at one hundred and three 41 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: dollars sixty six up by fourteen percent. The US President 42 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and while has sought to downplay the surge 43 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: in prices, he said short term oil prices are a 44 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 2: small price to pay for world peace and that they 45 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: will quote drop rapidly when the destruction of the Iran 46 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 2: nuclear threat is over. The oil price surges rippling across 47 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: markets with the sharp sell off in stocks and bonds. 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 2: Ages benchmark SCHER index dropped the most since April, with 49 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: South Korea and Japan leading the declines. European and Wall 50 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: Street futures are also sharply lower, with US and Japanese 51 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: government bond yields rising. The dollar has strengthened against most 52 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: major currencies as investors seek refuge. Although goal prices dropped 53 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: briefly below five one hundred dollars an ounce, All of 54 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: these moves have moderated somewhat following that report that the 55 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: G seven will discuss potentially releasing some of their reserves. 56 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: Spiking crude prices have fueled inflation concerns around the world, 57 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 2: reinforcing expectations at the Federal Reserve will keep interest rates 58 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: on hold for longer. Iran has named the son of 59 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: the late Ayatala as its new supreme leader. According to 60 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: the country's semi official fires News agency, fifty six year 61 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 2: old Mujtaba Kamenei won a decisive vote in Iran's Assembly 62 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: of Experts. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corp also pledged full 63 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: obedience to the new leader. Bloomberg's senior editor Wendy Benjaminson 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: says the decision was not a surprise. 65 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 4: This was the man that the US really expected would 66 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 4: take over for his father. It's the first generational succession 67 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 4: since the nineteen seventy nine revolution, and he seems to 68 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 4: be the kind of guy who will continue in his 69 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 4: father's footsteps in every way. 70 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Wendy Benjaminson there speaking following the announcement, The US 71 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: President Donald Trump told Fox News houst Brian Kilmead that 72 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: he was unhappy with the appointment. Much to bah Kamen's 73 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: selection signals that Iran's regime is less likely to concede 74 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: to Trump's demand that they surrender, and that he'll continue 75 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: his father's hardline pro coach. The United States is considering 76 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: the deployment of special forces to seize Iran's uranium. It's 77 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: been almost nine months since the UN Inspectors last verified 78 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: its location. Officials told Bloomberg there's growing concern the highly 79 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 2: enriched stockball may have been moved. Speaking to reporters on 80 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 2: Air Force One, President Trump was asked if he'd used 81 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 2: ground troops to secure it. 82 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 3: I find out about that. 83 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 5: We haven't talked about it, but it was a total obliteration. 84 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 5: They haven't been able to get to it. And at 85 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 5: some point maybe we will. You know, it would be 86 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 5: a great thing. But right now we're we're just decimating them. 87 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 5: But we haven't gone after it. 88 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 3: But you know, something we could do later on. 89 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: President Trump was speaking as the US State Department ordered 90 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: American diplomats and government employees in Saudi Arabia to leave 91 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 2: the country, citing safety risks. The move marks the agency's 92 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: first ordered departure since the start of the war on Iran. 93 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: The British Prime Minister Kirs Darmer and Donald Trump discussed 94 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: the conflict in Iran after a week of public disagreement 95 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: between the two leaders. Denning Street says the two spoke 96 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: by phone about military cooperation and the use of UK 97 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 2: air bases in the region. It comes after a week 98 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: of criticism of the Prime Minister by the US President 99 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 2: over Britain's support for his war in the Middle East. 100 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: The UK's Foreign Secretary of f Cooper, is trying to 101 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: play down the rift. 102 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 6: The US President has a responsibility to do what he 103 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 6: thinks is right in the US national interest. The UK 104 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 6: Prime Minister has the responsibility to do what he thinks 105 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 6: is right in the UK's national interest. That means sometimes 106 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 6: we will disagree. 107 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: Cooper was a junior minister when the UK invaded Iraq 108 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, which is at a lasting 109 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 2: impact on public opinion. A recent poll by Yugov showed 110 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: only eight percent of Britain supported the UK getting directly 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 2: involved in the Iran war. While the Prime Minister has 112 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: raised the prospect of intervening to help households with energy 113 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: bills as oil price as climb with more Here's Binbrigs. 114 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 7: James Walcock Kirs Starmer is under pressure from trade unions 115 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 7: and his own Labor and Peace to prepare a support 116 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 7: package in the event of a prolonged conflict. In a 117 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 7: pre released extract from REMARKSI is due to deliver latest today, 118 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 7: the Prime Minister is expected to say the public is 119 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 7: rightly worrying what this means for life at home, their bills, 120 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 7: their jobs, their communities. I want to address these concerns 121 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 7: head on. The comments come as the Resolution Foundation think 122 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 7: tank warns that last week's spiking gas and oil prices 123 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 7: could cost a typical household five hundred pounds. According to 124 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 7: the Office for Budget Responsibility, the last time the government 125 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 7: intervened during the Ukraine War, the cost of supporting households 126 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 7: and businesses to the energy price spike topped seventy eight 127 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,679 Speaker 7: billion pounds over two years in London, James Wilcock Bloomberg Radio. 128 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 2: In Germany, the party of the Chancellor Frederick Martz narrowly 129 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: last a crucial state election. The incumbon Green Party won 130 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 2: just over thirty percent of the vote in Baden Wartenberg, 131 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: compared with twenty nine point seven percent for Mercy's CDU. 132 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: The CDU had been projected to win the region before 133 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: a gaff ridden campaign. Support for the far right AfD 134 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: party nearly doubled to eighteen point seven percent from five 135 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: years ago. And those are your top stories. On the markets. 136 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: The MSCIS Specific Index down currently by three point nine percent, 137 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: Eurostocks fifty features two point one percent lower, smpmes on 138 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: Wall Street down by one and a half percent. Oil 139 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: prices up fifteen percent on the day for Brent crew 140 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: one hundred and six dollars seventy two on the barrel, 141 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 2: but moving fast. The Bloomberg Dollar Spot Index up by 142 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: three tenths of one percent this morning. Well, in a moment, 143 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 2: we're going to bring you the latest on how the 144 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: war in the Middle East is another blow for Europe's 145 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: chemicals industry. But let's first bring you up to date 146 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: on the surge and oil prices as investors are thinking 147 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: again about what the around war means for energy markets. 148 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: We've got Stephen Stopchinsky with us, who leads our team 149 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: covering energy in Asia. Stephen talk us through what's been 150 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: happening since cruid markets reopened. We've had this massive surge 151 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: in prices and now somewhat of a moderation after this 152 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: latest reports about the potential for a release of reserves. 153 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 154 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 8: So, I think the market over the weekend was getting 155 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 8: more and more stressed out according to the people that 156 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 8: I was talking to. At least, you know, you're going 157 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,559 Speaker 8: into the weekend, you're not sure what's going to happen. 158 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 8: You got forty eight hours, how will the market open? 159 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 8: And I think some of the worrying things that happened 160 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 8: over the weekend is the retaliatory strikes from Iran continued. 161 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 8: It did not look like there was any easing of tension. 162 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 8: In fact, it looked like it was getting worse. The 163 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 8: US wasn't showing like it's going to back down, especially 164 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 8: rhetoric coming out of the White House and from Trump himself. 165 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 8: And then on top of that, you had some major 166 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 8: producers you had quit, and you also had Adnock looking 167 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 8: to adjust or lower their oil production because their inventories 168 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 8: are getting high as they can't export the fuel. And 169 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 8: so because of all of that, you saw this huge 170 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 8: run up in prices in the Asia morning. First we 171 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 8: hit the one hire and ten dollars level for Brent 172 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 8: the first time in in over three years, and then 173 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 8: we click, we're getting we were getting very close to 174 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 8: one hundred and twenty dollars. Then the FT reported but 175 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 8: a little bit less than an hour ago that the 176 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 8: G seven nations were going to meet today to discuss 177 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 8: a possible release of strategic reserves in course together basically 178 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 8: and have a meeting with the IA, which helps kind 179 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 8: of coordinate all of that. 180 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: That meeting. 181 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 8: According to the FT is happening at eight thirty am 182 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 8: New York time, which is a very important time to 183 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 8: be watching out for. And also it looked like there 184 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 8: were already some countries that were basically approving of the plan. 185 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 8: They were for a potential release, which would be the 186 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 8: United States and two other G seven nations. And then 187 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 8: you saw oil prices come back a little bit. You 188 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 8: were still above one hundred dollars. There's still a lot 189 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 8: of fear and anxiety in the market, and I think 190 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 8: when you talk to traders, a strategic release does help 191 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 8: to ease things, no doubt, but it's just a bandage 192 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 8: because with the straight of horror moone shut, that's cutting 193 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 8: off twenty percent of global seaborne oil supply. And as 194 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 8: long as that remains shut, there are going to be 195 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 8: parts of the market that just aren't getting the oil 196 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 8: that they need. And if you do get it, it's 197 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 8: going to be too expensive. 198 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: What's the trajectory from here? 199 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:19,559 Speaker 9: Then? 200 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: The longer the market remains closed, you know, how much 201 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: further could we see oil prices go? 202 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we've got warnings. 203 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 8: So Qatar's energy minister told the FT late last week 204 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 8: that we could see Brent hit one hundred and fifty 205 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 8: dollars if this remains shut for weeks, because we're going 206 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 8: to have all of these oil producers basically have to 207 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 8: reduce or supply or closer supply, like we saw with 208 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 8: you know, Kuwait and Adnock. Likewise, you've seen some of 209 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 8: the banks and other analysts saying, you know, two hundred 210 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 8: dollars brent, which we've never hit before, could be something 211 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 8: that that is a possibility. But we're in you know, 212 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 8: we're quite quite frankly, we're literally we are in unscharded territory. 213 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 8: Never before has the strait of Hormus been shut like 214 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 8: this before, and not for more than a week. 215 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: This is this is wild. 216 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 8: This is the sorts of situations that countries make emergency 217 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 8: plans for. This is why the strategic reserve exists for 218 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 8: this very reason. And so now we are actually living it. 219 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 8: And so where do oil prices go? You know, everyone 220 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 8: has their guests, but I think it's pretty clear that 221 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 8: as long as it's from May shut, oil prices are 222 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 8: going to go up. 223 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 2: Okay, Steven, thank you very much for joining us, Steven Stoptinski. 224 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: They're leading our team covering energy in Asia. Stay with 225 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: us more from Bloomberg Daybreak. Europe coming up after this, Well, 226 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 2: that jump and oil and gas prices is piling further 227 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 2: pressure on energy intentsive industries in many parts of the world. 228 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: Europe's chemical sector was already reeling from the last energy shocked. 229 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: Financing has become strained and many plants are at risk 230 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 2: of closure. 231 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: So what do these latest developments mean. 232 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: Let's bring in our German industry reporter Marylyn Martin has 233 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 2: been reporting on this. 234 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: Marlond, good to have you with us. 235 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: What was the state of this chemicals industry before the 236 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 2: Iran War started? 237 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 10: Yeah, so the chemical industry is a cyclical sector in general, 238 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 10: but the downturn that we've seen since twenty twenty two, 239 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 10: since the energy price spikes, have been structural. So both 240 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 10: industry experts but also coos agree that it's a structural 241 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 10: downturn that we're seeing. And that's mainly because energy prices 242 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 10: are higher than in the US, than in the Middle East, 243 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 10: than in China already before the Iran war. And then 244 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 10: we also have oversupply in the market. So that's sitting globally, 245 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 10: but it's especially hitting Europe part because the sector is 246 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 10: struggling so much with the energy prices already. So in 247 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 10: China we had a lot of new capacity added and 248 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 10: that's of course putting a strain on European assets as well. 249 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 10: And at the same time you have very muted demand 250 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 10: on the continent because the general econom make situation is 251 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 10: not the best. The car sector is struggling. A quarter 252 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 10: of German chemicals production goes into the auto industry, so 253 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 10: with that sector struggling, of course you also have less 254 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 10: demand for chemical products and that's hitting the sector. 255 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: So what does another jump and energy prices mean for 256 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 2: this sector that's already, as you say, been under strain. 257 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 10: Yeah, so it's actually really bad timing because as I said, 258 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 10: like the market is down already and you had the 259 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 10: biggest weekly gains for gas prices in Europe last week. 260 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 10: An analyst I talked to said that there's an estimate 261 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 10: of three billion euros in extra costs to the industry 262 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 10: annually if these prices stay elevated. And the problem is that, 263 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 10: like for the chemical industry, the main like figure that 264 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 10: you're watching is the capacity utilization of plants, So how 265 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 10: much capacity you're using from the plants that you have, 266 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 10: and that's historically been quite high, but in recent years 267 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 10: it's been as low as like seventy percent right now, 268 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 10: and you need like eighty percent for profitability. So plants 269 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 10: are already operating at a very very low rate, and 270 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 10: now with gas prices and oil prices being even higher, 271 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 10: that's of course not helping the sector, and especially because 272 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 10: if you look at it, like energy is not only 273 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 10: like needed to produce things, but it's like also a 274 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 10: feedstock for the chemical industry, so you can't just switch 275 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 10: to like renewab also something else. You need gas and 276 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 10: oil as a feed stop for the industry. So there's 277 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 10: no easy solution for the sector. 278 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: Are their efforts being made at a government level to 279 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 2: protect this industry? How economically or politically significant is it 280 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 2: in Germany? 281 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 10: Yeah, it's one of the biggest sectors in the German economy, 282 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 10: so politicians have started to realize that the sector is 283 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 10: really struggling a lot. There are discussions right now on 284 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 10: the EU level with a Critical Chemicals Alliance as it's called, 285 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 10: that in the next weeks or months they will decide 286 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 10: which which assets are classified as as strategic or important 287 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 10: for the resilience of the continent. Because chemicals go into 288 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,119 Speaker 10: everything also into ammunition, for example, which becomes more critical 289 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 10: when we look at European resilience also from a defense perspective. 290 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 10: So there are some efforts being made, but the main 291 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 10: question is what it would mean if like you classifies 292 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 10: them as critical is needed for European resilience because it's 293 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 10: just very unprofitable for a lot of assets right now. 294 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 10: So like the question is will governments be able to 295 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 10: step in and like subsidize the sector, and yeah, how 296 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 10: willing are they to do that? 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