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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Tuesday, July first, and what

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Speaker 2: a night it has been. We have a stack night

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Speaker 2: of headlines for you tonight.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 2: Diddy verdict is happening real time. These deliberations have been

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Speaker 2: harrowing and we have so much to report on that.

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Speaker 2: And also the Brian Coberger Idaho college murders update. The

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Speaker 2: family members of the victims are speaking out. Some of

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Speaker 2: them are so mad about this new development. Big hearing tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: We're following that so so closely. Matthew Russell Lee from

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Speaker 2: Inner City Press, he's here because he's been inside the courtroom.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be telling us everything that's happening in

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Speaker 2: the Diddy trial because he was there today as always.

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Speaker 2: I'm Stephanie Leidecker and I head of KAT Studios, where

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Speaker 2: we make true crime podcasts and documentaries, and I get

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Speaker 2: to do that with Body Movin and Courtney Armstrong. I

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Speaker 2: don't even know where to begin with this Diddy stuff.

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Speaker 2: So body, what should we jump through first? Is he

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Speaker 2: going to get off?

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Speaker 4: You know this stuff yesterday, yesterday when we were or

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Speaker 4: not yesterday, but the day before. I don't even know

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Speaker 4: what data is.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: There's been so many things happening. When we were talking

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Speaker 4: about this last I said, oh no, I think he's

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Speaker 4: going to be found guilty, But now I'm not so sure.

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Speaker 4: So here's what's happened today. The jurors have informed the

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Speaker 4: judge that they've reached a verdict on counts two through five,

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Speaker 4: but they're hung They're undecided on one. Okay, so what

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Speaker 4: does that mean? Count one is the Rico charge. Okay,

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Speaker 4: so they're they're hung up on the Rico charge. And

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Speaker 4: I remember Rico was created in the early nineteen seventies

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Speaker 4: to go after the mafia, and it basically says that

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Speaker 4: in this instance, that Diddy is running a criminal enterprise,

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Speaker 4: and that under this criminal enterprise they've done kidnapping and

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Speaker 4: arson and witness tampering and all kinds of terrible things.

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Speaker 4: And in order to be guilty of Rico, they have

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Speaker 4: to find him guilty of two of those predicate acts.

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Speaker 4: And we're gonna go through those. Yeah, so confusing, it is,

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Speaker 4: no I and I get it. It's totally confusing. Now,

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Speaker 4: they did find a verdict and counts two through five,

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Speaker 4: and counts two through five are the sex trafficking of Cassie,

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Speaker 4: the transportation of Cassie, the sex trafficking of Jane, and

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Speaker 4: the transportation of Jane. So on those four counts, counts

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Speaker 4: two through five, they got a verdict.

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Speaker 3: We don't know what it is though, that just stop

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Speaker 3: right there for one second. What do you both think?

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Speaker 3: It is guilty? Not guilty? I think not guilty on

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Speaker 6: Here's my thought, which is my thought, is that they're

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Speaker 6: guilty on those four. However, here is where I think

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Speaker 6: the personal versus this sort of more conspiratal or umbrella

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Speaker 6: of the rico comes in. So maybe it's like, yes,

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Speaker 6: did he the person got Jane, He whatever you know,

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Speaker 6: abused or manipulated and coerced them to sex like sex

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Speaker 6: traffick themselves. But that an enterprise was not was not happening,

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Speaker 6: that it was just between the two of them, As

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Speaker 6: the defense said, you know what, the greatest love story

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Speaker 3: So love the story of all time.

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Speaker 4: What Oh yeah, yeah, but no, that's what I think

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Speaker 4: you might be right, court, because I was thinking it

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Speaker 4: more of like if they found him not guilty on

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Speaker 4: easy to you know, find him not guilty of rico,

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Speaker 4: But you might be right. I didn't think about that.

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Speaker 6: Because also there was the defense in their cross did

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Speaker 6: a really I thought, great job of what we had called,

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Speaker 3: Me his K staff Christy mccorum.

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Speaker 6: We can't have KK know about this, like it's between

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Speaker 2: Says every wild abuser, you know, just throwing out there.

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Speaker 3: This is not my personal opinion.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the answer here, but this is the

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: It seems as though so many of the women in

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Speaker 2: it possible he had texts saying I don't want KK

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Speaker 3: Oh, a second relationship between them. I listen again, putting.

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Speaker 4: I mean maybe, but doesn't she know everything that's going on?

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Speaker 2: How does any woman not know what their man is

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Speaker 2: I'll raise my hand to that. I'll raise my hands

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Speaker 3: So I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's totally unsubstantiated, but really interesting, certainly good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and remember it's a bubble, right, So you know,

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Speaker 2: I used to make reality TV shows back in the day,

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Speaker 2: I don't know when you're kind of in this bubble

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Speaker 2: And again I'm making a comparison to a reality show.

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Speaker 2: But listen, people fall in love because we're talking about

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Speaker 2: In diddy Land, it's abusive. There's guns, there's drugs, there's money,

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Speaker 2: there's affluence, there's fame, there's promise of a big future

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Speaker 2: that can become you know, brainwashing, like you know, everyone

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Speaker 3: Is that possible? Oh, certainly.

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Speaker 4: Well, so when the jury is told the judge you know, hey, listen,

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Speaker 4: we're not coming to a consensus on count one, which

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Speaker 6: And do we know if the judge specifically said goes

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Speaker 4: I believe it's to save time. And you know, Matthew

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Speaker 2: And not an interesting point too, because the theory that

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Speaker 2: get to a place of success before the holiday.

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Speaker 3: Remember, and now holiday is coming.

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Speaker 4: Now that I've heard what Courtney has said about like

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Speaker 4: I think I think Courtney might be right. I think

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Speaker 2: You know the chatter was too that Diddy, who has

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Speaker 6: Courtney Armstrong here as always with Body Moven and Stephanie Leidecker.

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Speaker 6: We're talking about the Diddy jury and the partial verdict

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Speaker 6: mean distribution, which we didn't know the answer to, and

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Speaker 6: is in what was this? So the wording was distribution

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Speaker 6: or to cause it to be passed on. Distribution does

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Speaker 3: So it's illegal to distribute drugs.

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Speaker 2: If you have drugs and somebody wants those drugs, it's

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Speaker 2: still illegal to give that right wow.

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Speaker 6: So well, and also it means that monies do not

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Speaker 6: need to change hands because that's perhaps in the back

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Speaker 4: The key word there is cause somebody, right, and Diddy

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Speaker 4: would be the cause. He's the one who purchased it, right,

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Speaker 4: Is he the cause of that distribution?

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Speaker 2: And is there a big distinction between personal use and distribution?

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Speaker 2: I guess all of our brains are going to the masses,

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Speaker 2: right that.

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking the cowboys, you know, exactly. But but it

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Speaker 4: necessarily doesn't need to be that. You know, it doesn't

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Speaker 4: need to be the guys in the count room with

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Speaker 4: the naked girls counting the money and you know, putting.

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Speaker 3: The cocaine in the bags. It doesn't need to be

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Speaker 3: all that.

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Speaker 6: Are we Are we in a mob Vegas movie?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I am.

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Speaker 2: I'm just glad we're not Diddy in this movie. But

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Speaker 2: this is like a scary movie because listen, we saw

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Speaker 2: paying attention to Karen Reid retrial that was just several

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Speaker 7: I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it either, I

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, in other documents, it was claimed that he was

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Speaker 2: what does that imply to the online chatter I don't know,

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Speaker 3: Who knows?

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Speaker 2: You know, this is that final, final moment, and racketeering

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Speaker 3: It does, you know.

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Speaker 4: He after when the judge was reading the note to

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Speaker 3: He's got a real way with the ladies. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: That is what bothers me so much, even just his

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Speaker 4: It's horrible when the bare minimum is that he's beating women.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's fair. Coming up. Brian Kohlberger's family responded to

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Speaker 2: What a day it has been in the headlines yet

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Speaker 2: again Diddy he's facing the music real time. The jury

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Speaker 2: been in the courtroom and you know, listen, Matthew, what

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Speaker 5: and it looks to me like they assume that it's guilty.

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Speaker 5: But we'll find out. Well, if not tomorrow, then on

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Speaker 5: Sorry for the long answer, but now I agree.

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Speaker 2: You literally like gut punched. I feel honestly that was

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Speaker 3: You're right, they did. They ask for the information back.

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Speaker 2: The transcripts of Cassie Ventura, that's his ex girlfriend, also

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Speaker 3: He was clearly beating her up.

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Speaker 5: Wow, I think it was I think the only good

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Speaker 5: the four of the verdicts are just about Cassie and Jane.

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Speaker 5: what then then then it's it's really we're in a

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Speaker 5: which is basically telling the jurors, you say, you can't

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Speaker 5: it'll just be a big waste of time, do everything

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Speaker 6: That's crazy.

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Speaker 4: And we are lucky enough to be joined by journalist

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Speaker 4: him on x at Inner City Press. We've been hearing

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Speaker 4: Really quick, I just kind of wanted to tell everybody

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Speaker 5: On they are unpersuadable AI.

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Speaker 4: they're not being persuaded. So the judge will say, you know,

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Speaker 4: please go back and deliberate more. It doesn't require that

439
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Speaker 4: anybody changed their verdict or anything like that, or their vote,

440
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Speaker 4: but it does encourage the conversation.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I get.

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Speaker 5: Well, I can imagine, I mean, because people have been saying,

443
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Speaker 5: like so they were basically they were let go for

444
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Speaker 5: the day. Maybe it's good for the defense in the

445
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Speaker 5: sense that these verdicts weren't taken right they announced that

446
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Speaker 5: they have for verdicts, but everyone was very careful not

447
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Speaker 5: that that no one say what the verdicts are, because

448
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Speaker 5: then this would sort of like finalize it and they hey,

449
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Speaker 5: you have a mistrial on Rico. I think the government

450
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Speaker 5: really wants to get all five convictions. That's why they

451
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Speaker 5: want to go forward.

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Speaker 3: Of course, the.

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Speaker 5: Question is tomorrow. On the one extreme, maybe somebody that

454
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Speaker 5: initially had decided on on on guilty on one on

455
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Speaker 5: the on the four that they've decided on changes their

456
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Speaker 5: mind overnight. They've certainly be entitled to do that. Nothing

457
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Speaker 5: binds them. On the other hand, so they come in tomorrow,

458
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Speaker 5: they they've said it's unpersuadable. But if they've been told

459
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Speaker 5: to deliberate, so I can imagine them asking so far

460
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Speaker 5: they've only asked for information about drug distribution. That was

461
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Speaker 5: on the first day, and that that that he's not

462
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Speaker 5: charged with drug distribution. Drug distribution is one of the

463
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Speaker 5: predicates for the the react Hearing enterprise. There are other ones.

464
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Speaker 5: There is arson, there is kidnapping. I could imagine, I think, yeah, exactly,

465
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Speaker 5: I think an extruction of justice. You could imagine whoever,

466
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Speaker 5: those in favor of a guilty plea if there's two

467
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Speaker 5: sides obviously there even they've said that their opinions on

468
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Speaker 5: both sides, those who think he's guilty, asking let's show

469
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Speaker 5: you to get some more evidence in here, right, or

470
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Speaker 5: those who think he's not killed. What could they say?

471
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Speaker 5: I think like they could say if you, if you,

472
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Speaker 5: I don't like, they could say that they haven't proven

473
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Speaker 5: the arson one. I think that's that's probably one that

474
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Speaker 5: that they haven't really proven. Honestly, they don't sure. There's

475
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Speaker 5: a lot of there's a lot of speculation. He said

476
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Speaker 5: he would do it, it did happen, but linked him

477
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Speaker 5: absolute and I don't know how actually he couldn't be

478
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Speaker 5: convicted of that one. Because here's how he could not

479
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Speaker 5: be convicted. There's no question that he offered cash to

480
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Speaker 5: get the tape of beating up Cassie. Their defense is,

481
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Speaker 5: and maybe somebody on the jury believes this, that he

482
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Speaker 5: didn't buy the tape to avoid a criminal prosecution or

483
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Speaker 5: a government investigation, but only in order to protect his reputation,

484
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Speaker 5: and that's not illegal, like right, Like my understanding of

485
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Speaker 5: Hollywood is people pay money to make things go away

486
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Speaker 5: all the time. It's only illegal if you're making a

487
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Speaker 5: criminal case go away or a criminal investigation go away.

488
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Speaker 5: But if you're buying if there was a photograph that

489
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Speaker 5: made you look ugly and you paid money, it's not

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Speaker 5: a crime.

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Speaker 2: As the elevator, though I know this is not your opinion,

492
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Speaker 2: I guess think it's so bothered by the fact that

493
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: he was so callous and we know what abuse these

494
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Speaker 2: women have been put through. It's unbelievable to me that

495
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Speaker 2: that's like something that he could walk home from.

496
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Speaker 5: You ware, I mean, and you probably won't. I mean,

497
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Speaker 5: he was able to play it off and even put

498
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Speaker 5: Cassie on the phone. This is how this is where

499
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Speaker 5: Cassie was at that time. She said she didn't want

500
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Speaker 5: the tape coming out, that she had a movie coming out,

501
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Speaker 5: that it would just this was a very toxic relationship,

502
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Speaker 5: and so they were able. I'm not saying that that's right.

503
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Speaker 5: I'm saying I could imagine a juror saying, no, I

504
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 5: don't buy it that that substruction of justice. Didn't you

505
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 5: hear the testimony? So this is the kind of thing

506
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Speaker 5: they could ask for tomorrow tomorrow, right, they could ask

507
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Speaker 5: for the specific testimony about what did Cassie say that,

508
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Speaker 5: for example, Eddie Garcia, Eddie my angel heard to make

509
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Speaker 5: him believe that he wasn't breaking the law, you know,

510
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Speaker 5: in giving the tape that both parties to this incident,

511
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 5: which is actually a totally one sided incident, right, I mean,

512
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 5: it's a one sided beating up, kicking somebody on the ground.

513
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Speaker 5: But the thing is, again remember this, he's not charged

514
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Speaker 5: with domestic violence. They even said from the beginning if

515
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Speaker 5: he were, he'd plead guilty.

516
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Speaker 4: Matt, we are so lucky to have your insight. Thank

517
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 4: you so much for being here. Please follow Matt on

518
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 4: x at at Inner City Press to get all the

519
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 4: latest in the trial. He's there every day, working really hard.

520
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 4: Coming up next, the family's response to Coberger's shocking plea deal,

521
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Speaker 4: more on the Deity trial, plus a new civil suit

522
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Speaker 4: he's facing. Don't forget to give us a call at

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524
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Speaker 4: true crime.

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Speaker 3: Tonight.

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Speaker 2: The three of us have been on fire today. This

527
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 2: day has been wild in terms of these new developments

528
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 2: in two major cases. If you're just joining us, Diddy,

529
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Speaker 2: the deliberations are underway. It's been a infusing day apparently,

530
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Speaker 2: and we will be following that very closely because tomorrow

531
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Speaker 2: we actually could have a verdict, which is unbelievable. And

532
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: then also the Idaho College murders. You know, Brian Coberger,

533
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: the accused, shocking development yesterday that he has pled guilty,

534
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: changing his verdict or changing his plea. Reminder, he has

535
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Speaker 2: always said he was innocent for two and a half

536
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Speaker 2: years for murdering four incredible Idaho College students back in

537
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. And tomorrow he's going to go to

538
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Speaker 2: court and his family's going to be there, and the victims'

539
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: families are going to be there, and he's going to

540
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: have to face the media to some extent, and the

541
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,439
Speaker 2: anticipation is that he will formally have to say he

542
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Speaker 2: is guilty, change his plea, and what happens after that,

543
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Speaker 2: we honestly have no idea. So tomorrow is a major

544
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Speaker 2: day in all things news. Even today we had an

545
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Speaker 2: entirely different show set for today and frankly, I'll just

546
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 2: went out the window right before air. So we want

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Speaker 2: you to join us eight eight eight three to one Crime.

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556
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Speaker 2: of business to get out of the way, So Coburger,

557
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: you know the victims' families who have been through it

558
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: in ways that we can't even describe. Right they are,

559
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 2: they're in shock. They were prepping for this big trial

560
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: and the summer trial was set for mid August. You'll

561
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 2: remember Brian Coberger was even trying to delay that trial

562
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: and also putting alternate suspects out there as recently as

563
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Speaker 2: ten days ago. So this is big and there's really

564
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: mixed feelings from the family members regarding this.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's really seems emotion fill and filled and shocking

566
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 6: versed on based on some things that some family members

567
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 6: have come out with. Brian Coberger, as you said, he

568
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 6: up until yesterday pled not guilty to murdering the four

569
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Speaker 6: University of point of order.

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Speaker 3: He has not changed his plea yet.

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Speaker 4: That happens officially tomorrow, correct, So he hasn't played guilty yet.

572
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Speaker 3: He's going to change his plea tomorrow.

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Speaker 6: Right, it's expected, Yeah, right, that would be bananas, but

574
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Speaker 6: possible for him to decide to keep not guilty. But

575
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 6: it was for the crime of stabbing to death Xana Kernodle,

576
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Speaker 6: Madison Mogan, Kelly Gonsovez and Ethan Shapin. And what this

577
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Speaker 6: does is it does deny the family a family's a

578
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Speaker 6: jury trial and also a chance at the death penalty.

579
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Speaker 6: So Stephanie had said, what happens next, and we do

580
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 6: know very little, you know, body to your point, Brian

581
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 6: could come in and it's status quo or say something shocking.

582
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Speaker 6: But assuming what is expected happens and he pleads guilty

583
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Speaker 6: to all four, what that means is and there's a

584
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Speaker 6: battery charge as well, a burglary charge rather, but that

585
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 6: means the death penalty is taken off the table. And

586
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Speaker 6: he also would have to waive his right to future appeals,

587
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 6: which is a big deal because that could be many,

588
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Speaker 6: many years in court that would be avoided.

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Speaker 2: It's hard stuff, though, if you're a family member, God forbid.

590
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Speaker 2: And again, our hearts really go out to all the

591
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Speaker 2: family members who are suffering in this. They didn't get

592
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Speaker 2: a choice, they didn't get to choose the manner of death.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the suddenness of this seemingly extremely senseless

594
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: crime beyond measure. That's like understated, big exclamation point, put

595
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Speaker 2: it in bold, you know. Like I guess that's where

596
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: the feelings come in, right, Like suddenly he's controlling the

597
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 2: narrative still somehow, Brian Coberger, even now two and a

598
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: half years later, is like calling the shots a little bit.

599
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Speaker 2: And I think there's some hurt feelings from sources that

600
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: we've spoken to as recently as just a few hours ago.

601
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: There's hurt feelings because they feel like the prosecution didn't

602
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: really share this information in a way that was more meaningful,

603
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: meaning not a phone call allegedly, it was just an email,

604
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Speaker 2: and you know that's hard stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, but I don't.

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Speaker 6: I kind of take issue when you said Brian Coberger

607
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Speaker 6: controlling the narrative because also there is the prosecution, you know,

608
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Speaker 6: the state of Idaho, and also his defense. So there's

609
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Speaker 6: a lot of players here and some of.

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Speaker 3: Them No, no, I disagree. It's him. This is his choice.

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Speaker 3: He could ultimately it's true himself if you want.

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Speaker 2: It's like he is in deciding that he's changing his

613
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Speaker 2: pretend vote and has been lying to everybody this.

614
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Speaker 4: Entire last opportunity to do so, right, So I keep

615
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: I keep going back, like why now? Why now? But

616
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Speaker 4: this is his last opportunity to do so. The judge said,

617
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Speaker 4: the last best offer is due on this date, Like

618
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Speaker 4: this is his last chance to save his life.

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Speaker 3: I mean, good, this is the only time it could happen.

620
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Speaker 2: Well, we wouldn't want Brian Coburgers to be so whole,

621
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Speaker 2: you know, it's so upsetting.

622
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Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm upset for his family too.

623
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Speaker 2: They seem really lovely and now they got to schlep

624
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Speaker 2: all with a boise and probably be harassed beyond measure.

625
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: And the victim's families are going to be there. Can

626
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: you imagine this just well, Steve's.

627
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Speaker 4: Kayley's dad, the one who's really been the most vocal

628
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Speaker 4: about his displeasure with this plea deal. He has said

629
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Speaker 4: he's not going in the courtroom. He's too angry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Can you blame him though for that? At that point?

632
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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that I blame him. And again,

633
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Speaker 2: this is just one of those crimes that I guess

634
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: we're also obsessed with because I guess he's a young person.

635
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 2: He was studying the exact crime he's now being accused of.

636
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 2: We've been so careful not to accuse him of anything,

637
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: secretly hoping that there was some something in this story

638
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Speaker 2: that would.

639
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: Maybe make it make a little sense.

640
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Speaker 2: And the fact that he's just been straight facing it

641
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: to everybody and just went out of his way to

642
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: murder four people and now gets to decide how it's

643
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Speaker 2: all going to shake out. It's so upsetting to me.

644
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Speaker 2: I don't know what gets me at the core. In

645
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: a way, I guess it gets me in the same

646
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: way that the idea that Diddy can beat up a

647
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Speaker 2: bunch of women and walk away Scott.

648
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Speaker 3: Free makes me mad.

649
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Speaker 4: And I don't know how we should unpack it so

650
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Speaker 4: that but he's not walking away.

651
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: Coburger's not walking away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, what if he did this, what if

653
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: he did this in a state without the death penalty?

654
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Speaker 3: This is where be That's true. That's a fair point.

655
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Speaker 2: And this is not even my stance on whether I

656
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: believe in the death sentence or otherwise. It's just it's

657
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: just what a waste of a life. And I wish

658
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: we could understand better the why. And it doesn't seem

659
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: like there's anything, it's anything to like scratch at on

660
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Speaker 2: this one.

661
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Speaker 3: And yeah, it kind of makes me nauseous a little bit.

662
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Speaker 4: So I find out why in other in other ways,

663
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Speaker 4: like a study or a book or you know, something

664
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Speaker 4: there might be. In fact, doctor Ramsland was on with

665
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: Brian Inton tonight and she said that she no, of course,

666
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 4: Catherine Ramsland was his former professor and advisor. She's a criminal,

667
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 4: you know, expert, She's got a PhD. And she did

668
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: a book on BTK. She studied BTK and she said

669
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Speaker 4: she would like to study him if he's willing, which

670
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Speaker 4: is very interesting.

671
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that his dream come true? That was

672
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: his professor that he looked up to so much, and

673
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: now we're all making all this hay about Brian Coburger

674
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: and it's upsetting. You know, we were invited today to

675
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: talk on TMZ with Harvey Levin and the team there,

676
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: and you know they were so kind and you know,

677
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: thank you for having us and for you know, just

678
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 2: discussing this case. But that was the big hookup was

679
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: it's an issue at some point of this family wants

680
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: some justice and it just seems like it's a never

681
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: ending thing.

682
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I'm Boddy

684
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Speaker 4: Movin and I'm joined here by Stephanie Leidecker and Courtey

685
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: Armstrong and we're right in the middle of talking about

686
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger. If you want to weigh in, give us

687
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 4: a call at one eight eight eight thirty one Crime

688
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 4: or use the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app. And I

689
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: understand we have a talkback.

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Speaker 9: Hi, ladies, this is Liz from Washington. I'm curious on

691
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Speaker 9: your thoughts about the Coburger plea and his confession. If

692
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Speaker 9: he doesn't have to give a confession in court, is

693
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Speaker 9: there any way that you think he might be holding

694
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Speaker 9: back on a confession so that he can do some

695
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 9: TV interviews and make money off of them once he's

696
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Speaker 9: in prison. I'm curious if there's an ulterior motive here

697
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 9: for either him or his family so that he can

698
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 9: get something out of his life to come after his sentencing.

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Speaker 3: Thanks bye, excellent question. That's such a good question. I

700
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 3: hadn't even thought of that. Well, so I don't think.

701
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Speaker 4: You know, there's the son of Sam law and that

702
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 4: was adopted nationally many many years ago, and that prevents

703
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: convicted murderers of profiting from their murder. Right. However, the

704
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 4: son of Sam law has expired in many states, and

705
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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's been reevaluated and readopted in Idaho.

706
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: I could look it up, but generally it's it's against

707
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 4: the law to get money from a murder, so he

708
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 4: wouldn't be able, generally speaking, to make any money from

709
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 4: interviews or books or anything like that. And I know

710
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: that Steve Consalvez, the father of one of the victims, Kaylee,

711
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 4: is working with Idaho lawmakers, I think, And somebody can

712
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 4: chime in if I have this incorrect on getting like,

713
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 4: there's people out there we've talked about this that are

714
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 4: love of serial killers.

715
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: Right, it's a disease.

716
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: And if people put money on Brian Coberger's books, that

717
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: money is to be confiscated. So we're going to I

718
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 4: don't think that's going to happen. However, I do think

719
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 4: that he does have a motive in working with people

720
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: like Catherine Yamsland maybe even the Behavioral Science Unit.

721
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 3: I think he kind of might.

722
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 4: Enjoy it quite frankly, Yeah, quite frankly. People who want

723
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 4: to know, like me, you know, who want to know

724
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: these things, will also like it.

725
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: He'd better say something tomorrow. He's not going to, is

726
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: my prediction.

727
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 3: But well, he would probably do it at sentencing.

728
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 4: If he allocutes in, it would likely be at sentencing

729
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 4: after the victim impact statements are read.

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Speaker 6: That's going to be something. By the way, the fact

731
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 6: check that you were hoping for body the Idaho. Idaho

732
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 6: has not reinstated the son of Sam law. There's no

733
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 6: indication that such a law is being activated or applied currently.

734
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 6: I had no idea that expired.

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00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: It expired a while ago in many states, but most

736
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: people they developed their own state kind of son of

737
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: Sam law. Yeah, we should get a map and make

738
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 4: it together and put it together and see where those exist.

739
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Speaker 6: And just a last thing. We'll talk much more about

740
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 6: what the victims' families are feeling, because we do know,

741
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 6: and we'll speak about that later in the show. But

742
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 6: just one thing to note that since nineteen seventy six,

743
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 6: it's a long time ago, Idaho has executed a total

744
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 6: of three people.

745
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 4: The last one being twenty twelve.

746
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, so recent in that history, but just pointing to

747
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 6: even essentially had this gone forward and every iteration of

748
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 6: the law and the appeals, yeah, I would.

749
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 4: Be a lot of appeals hearings to travel to for

750
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 4: these families and a lot of pain to sit through

751
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 4: over and over and over again.

752
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: It's very difficult.

753
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: The whole country has been going through it, getting these

754
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: change of venue from the car college town because he

755
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 2: couldn't get a fair trial. Now he has to go

756
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 2: all the way to Boise. It's been unbelievable in terms

757
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: of a bleed. And this, you know, hopefully is a

758
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: cautionary tale like you won't get away with it.

759
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: Life is long, right, Well, we're going to continue on

760
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: this conversation and follow up there's going to be more

761
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 4: on Diddy. I know Diddy all the time, introducing new

762
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 4: disturbing civil suit.

763
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 3: So much is happening in the news right now. We

764
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 3: are in trial mania.

765
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Speaker 2: I suppose we were just saying earlier we had a

766
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 2: full show planned for the night and that frankly went

767
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Speaker 2: out the window.

768
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Speaker 3: And the because I made a joke about it. I

769
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Speaker 3: know you did.

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Speaker 6: You called it.

771
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 4: You were like, look, how nice this is all laid out.

772
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: We were all like, yeah, let's do it.

773
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: And suddenly this diddy information drops right and you know,

774
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: again confusing. We've been talking quite a bit about it,

775
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: so a if you've missed any of the first hour,

776
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: please jump in, you know, please check us out. It's

777
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 2: a podcast as well right after, and also please join

778
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 2: the conversation eight eight eight three one crime. We really

779
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: want to hear your opinions on this because listen, we

780
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 2: all have one and yours counts.

781
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 3: So Stephanie, really quick.

782
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Speaker 4: I hate to interrupt you, but you can have glossed

783
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 4: over something a little earlier. Listen, it's been a really

784
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,879
Speaker 4: heavy couple of days and I just want to add

785
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 4: some levity to like our life.

786
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: Right now. You said you want on TMZ, can you

787
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 3: what what are you talking about? What happened?

788
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: We were, well, who knows.

789
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Speaker 3: Anyone who knows me knows that I really love the

790
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: you're obsessed with.

791
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: I watched TMZ every single day, So I'm just a

792
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: a TMZ watcher and more like a.

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00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 6: Religion to you than just a general Oh I watch it.

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00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 6: I mean every conversation I do.

795
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Speaker 3: I am just a sucker for that show. I'm curious.

796
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: I want to know all things Britney Spears and what's

797
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: happening with you know, Hayley Bieber, et cetera.

798
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 3: But I do. I'm a fan.

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Speaker 2: And then I, you know, not long before air on

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00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: their air not ours, uh, you know, got a phone

801
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: call and was asked to just kind of appear with

802
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: them to talk about the new developments in this case

803
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: with the Idaho College murders, and you know, toss on

804
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: a T shirt and throw on some look glass and boom,

805
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Speaker 2: You're on your favorite show.

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Speaker 3: It was really fun.

807
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Speaker 4: So thanks for having us. They were very kind. They

808
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 4: were really great, and you know, it's like a dream

809
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 4: come true for you. For me, it's a little it was.

810
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 4: That's so great. It's wonderful and deserved.

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Speaker 6: Honestly, how many years and years and hours of between

812
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 6: the documentary on Peacock between the two seasons of The

813
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 6: Idaho Massacre that we've already done for iHeart I mean

814
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 6: the interviews and yeah, just the space.

815
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: You should know, it's been a fun, a fun little

816
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: moment in that regarding note and wish. Of course, we

817
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: were talking about something like less horrible, right, you know

818
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: what we're discussing is something so heart wrenching. And yeah,

819
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: we've been making the documentary for Peacock. I can't say

820
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 2: too too much about it, but but I'm really excited

821
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: for you guys to see it. And it's based on

822
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: the true crime podcast The Idaho Massacre. And yeah, as

823
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 2: you could imagine, when this information dropped yesterday, super intense

824
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: because it changes a lot of the things, and we're

825
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 2: so mindful about not trying to make anything happen that

826
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: could disrupt this trial in the Brian Coburger case, because

827
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 2: he's been accused of murdering for Idaho college students. Seems unfathomable,

828
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: particularly because he was a PhD.

829
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: Student studying criminology.

830
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: You know, we all saw that show Dexter who you know, listen,

831
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: not that there's ever killing for good, but in that.

832
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: Particular line, Yeah, like this guy is.

833
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: Like taking the roll book from some place and scary

834
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: stuff and he's so unexpected and his family was so nice.

835
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 2: So yeah, I personally I'm feeling a little close to

836
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 2: all of it. And you know, the families are you know,

837
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 2: torn up, and you.

838
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: Know, very secret seems.

839
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no piece of cake, there's no secret pill,

840
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: there's no documentary. There's a real piece that comes right

841
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: and you know, I just think being shell shocked by

842
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: this information. Listen, we were all shell shocked. It's not

843
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: our kid, our sibling.

844
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Speaker 6: Listen.

845
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 2: We're going to be right back because we have so

846
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: many new developments happening, of course, in this diddy situation,

847
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: So please stay with us. This is true crime tonight,

848
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: talk in true crime all the time. The accused, Brian Coberger,

849
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: has now changed his plea and is allegedly going to

850
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 2: face the music tomorrow and plead not guilty to all

851
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: four counts in.

852
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 6: These hideous guilt urns.

853
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, excuse me exactly, he will plead guilty, which

854
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: is a big you known of events. I've actually really

855
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: not heard much of his voice in all of our

856
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: time working on this case, and so many iterations of it.

857
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 2: I don't really I would not recogniz his voice amongst others,

858
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: which is interesting, like he's a shy guy, a shy

859
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: guy with some obvious rage and then Diddy. You know,

860
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 2: they're Apparently the jurors have been deliberating, and they've been

861
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 2: pretty clear that they've come to terms on four of

862
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: the five charges. More on that still to come, possibly

863
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: also tomorrow. We need a twenty four hour true crime tonight,

864
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 2: which really this point we just need to be all crime,

865
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: literally all the time.

866
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Speaker 3: And Rico is up for a conversation and listen.

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Speaker 2: I know these have been really dominating the conversations, certainly

868
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: in my head as well, but we don't want to

869
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: lose sight of some of these other big headlines that

870
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: have been happening that are again scary stuff and important

871
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: that we talk about the Minnesota shooter shooter and we

872
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: have some new developments on that one also, and then

873
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: also the case of the firefighters being lured.

874
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: And then I mean, what is going on in this land?

875
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: So I don't want to promote these people any there,

876
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 2: but at the same time, I do think it's important

877
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: that we talk about this stuff and make sure that

878
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: we're unpacking it and keeping ourselves safe and keeping you

879
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: all safe as well. So body headlines, you're u.

880
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 4: So at Sunday, there was a fire called in and

881
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 4: when the firefighters are in Quardlaine, Idaho, I should add,

882
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 4: and when the firefighters arrived, they were basically kind of ambushed,

883
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 4: right with bullets and shots, and so you know they're

884
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 4: scrambling and meanwhile three firefighters were shot. One was taken

885
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: to surgery. His name has been released. It's Engineer David

886
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 4: tide Still. He's forty seven from Cordelaine. He was critically

887
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 4: wounded and is currently, thank goodness, in recovery following successful surgery.

888
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 4: So that's good news. The bad news there were two

889
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 4: other firefighters shot and unfortunately they passed away. And it's

890
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 4: Battalion Chief Frank Harwood. He is forty two from Kootenaye

891
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 4: County Fire and Rescue. And then Battalion Chief John Morrison,

892
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 4: he's fifty two from cord Alane Fire Department. Many have

893
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 4: you know, listen, so many people have weighed in on

894
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 4: this because like who shoots firefighters? They if there's one

895
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 4: Americans agree on, right, I think, and we don't agree

896
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 4: on a lot lately, but if there's one thing we

897
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 4: agree on, it's firefighters are heroes and loved by everybody

898
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 4: exactly many of them do it for free, Yeah volunteers.

899
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 4: Who Okay, so who shoots a fireman? This guy, he's

900
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 4: twenty year old Wes val Roi, and quite frankly, we

901
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 4: don't know a lot about him. He has some little

902
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: like minor criminal activity, but nothing to write home about.

903
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 4: The sheriff said they were really minor things like trespassing

904
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: and they just asked him to leave, and he was

905
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 4: like super compliant.

906
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 6: He left.

907
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: He died that day of a self inflicted gunshot wound.

908
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: He admired law enforcement by all accounts, and he actually

909
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 4: wanted to be a firefighter. Many has said that he

910
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: got denied maybe getting into firefighting, and this might be

911
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 4: some kind of revenge. Do we know, do we know

912
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 4: that as fact or is that it's just this is

913
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: all kind of like speculation at the time, Like I said,

914
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 4: many have said, you know, we don't have like any

915
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: really good information on this guy.

916
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: Yet we just don't.

917
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: And there has been some chatter of his I don't know,

918
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: this is like so like a zero. He has divorced parents,

919
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: has a stepdad. There was, you know, some chatter that

920
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: there was like something behind closed doors there, but nothing

921
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: really revelatory.

922
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing like concrete either. It's all like like he

923
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 4: might have been living in his car. The sheriff during

924
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 4: the press conference yesterday had said, like it appeared like

925
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: a lot of his belongings were in the car and

926
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: he might have been living in it, so he's kind

927
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 4: of transient. But nothing concrete. There's really just been no reasoning,

928
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 4: senseless and you know, we always want to make sense

929
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,720
Speaker 4: of things, right, and this just I mean.

930
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: Firefighters who does this?

931
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean any and any public servant you shouldn't

932
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 4: be shooting at like, let me anybody, yes shotse.

933
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Speaker 3: No, of course not. But like firefighters are angels. It's

934
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: like shooting a nurse. Like what the.

935
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: Heck exactly so well said, it is like shooting a nurse.

936
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: And again for the firefighters who put themselves out there

937
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: for us time and time again, I mean we just

938
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Speaker 2: all sort of just know what happened here in California.

939
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Speaker 3: Excuse me?

940
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, right, you know the firefighters that worked twenty

941
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: four hours a day, seven days a week. They put

942
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: their lives and their health on the line. They leave

943
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 2: their families behind so they can save hours and this

944
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: clown goes about this for no reason whatsoever, not that

945
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: there's a good reason in any case, but it makes

946
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 2: me really upset.

947
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, the fire is still blazing and

948
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 4: they're trying to figure out what happened. And this crime

949
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 4: scene is inaccessible because the fire and unfortunately the fire

950
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 4: department's been shot at.

951
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: So what do they do?

952
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, so not only are use have

953
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 4: to of course these wonderful firemen and their battalions, and

954
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 4: obviously they're morale, but now you're affecting like the citizens

955
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 4: because there's this raging fire that's right.

956
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 6: So much destruction and on one Sunday. So we'll keep

957
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 6: everyone abreast on as the fire, you know, it is

958
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 6: taken under control and as the crime scene is investigated.

959
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 6: There's another big story in the news. I know we've

960
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,720
Speaker 6: all been following it. It's about the Minnesota shootings. In June,

961
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 6: Minnesota Representative Melissa Hortman and her husband, along with their

962
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 6: dog were shot and were killed in their home. Also

963
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 6: that day, Senator John Hoffman and his wife, Yvette were

964
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 6: injured in another shooting. And they my numbers might be off,

965
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 6: but they were shot something like eight and nine times

966
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Speaker 6: and miraculously lived. So the person who is alleged to

967
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 6: have done the shooting was back in court and a

968
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 6: federal judge is actually pushed back what was going to

969
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 6: be a lot chars hearing for this shooter vance Bolter

970
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 6: after you know, allegedly assassinating, and it's pushed back because

971
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 6: he has said vance Bolter have said that jail conditions

972
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 6: prevented this poor guy from sleeping for at least twelve days.

973
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: Twelve days of no sleep for him. Meanwhile, he's been

974
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: on surveillance. We've seen his mug. This is not something

975
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 2: that's super up for conversation. We've seen him. This guy

976
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: makes me. Also, he's just bolding Trey. He's tired, he's

977
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: two weeks he needs he hasn't addressed. He's been sleeping

978
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 2: on a mat. And it's very bright in this prison

979
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: jails situation, and like, what does he think he's at

980
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:38,479
Speaker 2: a spa.

981
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: He is not at a spa.

982
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 4: And yeah, it should be loud and miserable and what

983
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 4: he has done is unimaginable and he deserves to really

984
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,439
Speaker 4: be on a mat.

985
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 2: He deserves so little. And again I'm not speaking and

986
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: putting somebody behind bars. That isn't there there's like footage

987
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 2: of him.

988
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 6: Well, the sheriff had a lot of similar things to say. Allegedly, yes,

989
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 6: but in this court appearance vance Bolter, he was wearing

990
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 6: a green suicide safety smock that is designed specifically to

991
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 6: prevent inmates from hanging themselves, and Bolter's public defender, he

992
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 6: requested the continuance and said because his client has not

993
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 6: been able to sleep for two weeks. Bolter raised concerns Stephanie,

994
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 6: as you said about the lights being on, about sleeping

995
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 6: on a mat, door slamming, and allegedly the inmate next

996
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 6: to him spreading feces. Now let's leave and this is

997
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 6: another important issue. Let's leave prison and jail conditions for

998
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 6: another day, because that is an issue worth talking about. However,

999
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 6: the sheriff rebutted, and this is County Sheriff Jeff Bolt

1000
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 6: absolutely denied these allegations made by Vance Bolter.

1001
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: Don't they have video of him sleeping for seven hours straight?

1002
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 3: According to security.

1003
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 6: Security village from two separate days captured him resting peaceful

1004
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 6: with his eyes closed for nice seven hours, and that

1005
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 6: the correctional officers conducting the welfare checks also said that

1006
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 6: and he is being treated like every other inmate in

1007
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 6: the circumstances, and the sheriff said, he is not in

1008
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 6: a hotel. He is in jail where a person belongs

1009
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 6: when they commit the heinous crimes he is accused of committing.

1010
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 6: So we will leave it there.

1011
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're listening to true crime tonight on iHeartRadio. I

1012
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 4: am Crime Analyst's body move in here with Stephanie Leidecker

1013
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 4: and producer Courtney Armstrong, and we've been talking about the

1014
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 4: latest headlines in the news. And if you want to

1015
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 4: weigh in, give us a call at eight eight eight

1016
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 4: thirty one Crime, or use the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio

1017
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 4: app and we have a talkback.

1018
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 10: Hi, It's Cynthia calling from Canada. Just in regards to

1019
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 10: the Idaho massacre. I think he pled guilty because he

1020
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 10: knew that the prosecution had enough vote of evidence that

1021
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 10: he would be convicted. I also believe that it'll come

1022
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 10: up that he's an in cell and the incident occurred

1023
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,320
Speaker 10: because of something that happened apparently at a pool party

1024
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 10: uh at the beginning of the school year.

1025
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 3: I love this call. I love it.

1026
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 6: Cynthia from Canada. Also, we love you. You have called back.

1027
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 6: You are not a first time caller, and we appreciate

1028
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 6: you and your insightful questions.

1029
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 2: We asked Cynthia called because we've actually looked forward to

1030
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: your talk back. So Cynthia, keep them coming because there's

1031
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: such good questions and very well.

1032
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 4: She makes a really good observation about the pool party

1033
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 4: that happened on the I think July ninth. And you know,

1034
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 4: Brian Colberger is seen at this pool party, right, and

1035
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 4: he talks to a woman and she kind of is

1036
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 4: married and doesn't really want anything to do with him,

1037
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 4: and he, you know, keeps talking to her and to

1038
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 4: the point where her husband has to come over. Then

1039
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 4: on that same day is the first day according to

1040
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 4: the documents released in the through the court system, so

1041
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 4: this is like official the same day he first appears

1042
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 4: within range of the house on King Road where the

1043
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 4: murders happened. So did he see one of the roommates,

1044
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,959
Speaker 4: you know, the girls there and maybe follow them home

1045
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 4: or did they come pick up one of their friends

1046
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 4: and follow you know what I mean? Like, was there

1047
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 4: some kind of interaction that day at the pool party

1048
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 4: that where he followed one of them home? And that's

1049
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 4: why he shows up for the first time it within

1050
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 4: range of that house. So Cynthia, that's really good and

1051
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 4: he might be an insult. I agree with you, girl,

1052
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 4: I totally agree with you. I think we are going

1053
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: to learn that and we're probably going to do a

1054
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 4: whole segment on insult soon. Stick around for that, not today,

1055
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 4: but soon, because that's I'm all about that stuff.

1056
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 6: And for people who don't know that, that stands for

1057
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 6: involuntary celibacy or involuntary celibate, and it very broadly. A

1058
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 6: lot of men it can be it can be both,

1059
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 6: but they are.

1060
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: I don't think it's only in cells.

1061
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 6: That's right themselves. Yeah, and it's often paired with a

1062
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 6: lot of rage against the female sex for not having

1063
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 6: sexual intercourse with them. Like you said, right, it's a

1064
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 6: rabbit hole, will go down, but you make some really

1065
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 6: interesting things.

1066
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 4: And her other point was that she thinks the prosecution

1067
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 4: has a stacked deck. Right stuff your favorite stacked deck, right,

1068
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 4: it's favor And I think you're right. I think that

1069
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 4: I think that you know, they got the denial after

1070
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 4: denial after denial, right recently denial the court change date.

1071
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 4: There's just been and I think he just was like Okay,

1072
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 4: I see what's happening.

1073
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: So stick around.

1074
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 4: We're going to be talking a lot more about all

1075
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 4: of these topics in hearing your thoughts on both. Please

1076
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 4: call us at eight eight to thirty one crime or

1077
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 4: use the talkbacks on the iHeartRadio app so that we

1078
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 4: can do some chitter chatter.

1079
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: Please make sure you are joining us and also sharing

1080
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: your opinion. Tell us how you're feeling about all of

1081
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: this stuff. You know, it's an amped time in these cases,

1082
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: get us also a little extra amps, which is what

1083
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 2: I'm just grateful we get to talk about it together

1084
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 2: because I feel comforted when I get to talk it

1085
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Speaker 2: out with you guys. And God knows, I don't know

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00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: the answer to anything, but if I had a whole.

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00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 4: Bodice these feelings in and how you know, I would

1088
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: be going crazy. So I'm very grateful to be able

1089
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 4: to have these conversations, you know, and I really want

1090
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 4: people to weigh in, you know, like tell us what

1091
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 4: you're thinking, how do you feel? You know, it's certainly

1092
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 4: not us, We're not We're not a judging jury, no,

1093
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 4: of course not. And I would never you know, put

1094
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: my feelings on how the family is feeling. You know,

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00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 4: of course, and you know Brian Coberger's family now has

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00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 4: worse statement. I think Courtney is going to go into

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00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 4: someone else.

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00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 6: And yeah, yesterday, as Stephanie was saying, there was the

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00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 6: shocking news that Brian Coberger will be taking a plea

1100
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 6: deal or as planned to take a plea deal, taking

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00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 6: the death sentence off the table and also removing the

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00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 6: jury process. He would not go through a whole or

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00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 6: excuse me, court case and the victim's family. Some support

1104
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 6: the plea deal because of its finality, and others see

1105
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 6: it just as a straight betrayal. They've called it shockingly

1106
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 6: cruel and unjust and felt that there was not enough consultation.

1107
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 6: But the family of Ethan Chapin, they backed the deal

1108
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 6: that was made and they believe it allows the case

1109
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 6: to close, that it prevents a costly and traumatic trial.

1110
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 6: And Ethan Chapin's mom Stacy, she supports it and she

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00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 6: does plan to attend the upcoming hearing and she'll be

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00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:31,720
Speaker 6: in its favor.

1113
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Speaker 2: My heart goes out to her too. If you guys

1114
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: ever seen her, she was at crime Con. She and

1115
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: Joseph Scott morgan O are forensics expert who was on

1116
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: the show with us, you know, these previous Sundays, and

1117
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: it will be so again. She got up and spoke,

1118
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: and it will tear your heart out. The peace, the grace,

1119
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: the kindness. You know, they've said, the Chapin family since

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00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: day one that they just want to kind of move

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00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 2: on with this and remember their beautiful son, and knock

1122
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: it kind of pulled into the frenzy. Remember Ethan Shapin

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00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,280
Speaker 2: was a triplet. He had a sister and a brother

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00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: who you know used to attend Idaho University as well,

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00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: which is you know, got to be so rough. So

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00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 2: she's really an image of grace.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, And we're going to a little bit later we're

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Speaker 6: going to speak about what the other family members have

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00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 6: to say, including the family of the accused or about

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00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 6: to plead guilty Brian Coberger. But right now we have

1131
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 6: a caller on the line and we'd love to speak

1132
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 6: with you. Venise.

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00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 8: Hello, Hello, Hi, Vanise, Hi, how are you doing this evening?

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00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: We're so happy you're joining us. What's your question?

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00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 8: Thank you for having me. I am on calling because

1136
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 8: of course I heard what's happened with the Diddy trial.

1137
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 8: So two three five unanimous, but count one racket heeering.

1138
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 8: That's the count that I have always had sort of

1139
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 8: a a problem trying to understand because from my understanding,

1140
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 8: racketeering typically takes more than one person. So I never

1141
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 8: really understood how one individual could be charged for racketeering

1142
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 8: and what what what they were basing that off of

1143
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 8: the outside of all of the other, of course things

1144
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 8: that we can we can pull, but I just don't

1145
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 8: understand how one person could be charged. And then with

1146
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 8: that understanding, what the four day weekend coming up? I'm

1147
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 8: wondering with the hold out, how motivated the jurors are

1148
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 8: going to be to make a seless decision so they

1149
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 8: don't have to be held with the fort day weekend.

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00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 3: What a great question, Venise. That is such a good question.

1151
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: And she's right.

1152
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 4: Because usually when you think of Rico, you know, of

1153
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 4: course Rico the racketeering charge, the account one that the

1154
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 4: jurors are stuck on. It is basically saying that you

1155
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 4: know there's a criminal enterprise at play, right, and you

1156
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 4: would think it would take more than one person right

1157
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 4: to to do Rico, and there would have to be

1158
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 4: more people charged also because you know there's conspiracy and

1159
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 4: you know, but no, you don't he's he's being charged

1160
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 4: with running the criminal enterprise and people underneath him have

1161
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 4: gotten immunity for testifying. So true, you know, I think,

1162
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 4: but I think, I mean, I think that's what's going on.

1163
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 4: I'm certainly no expert, but the little that I do

1164
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 4: know is that you definitely don't need to have just

1165
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 4: two people or three people, or four people or five people.

1166
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 3: You can just have one.

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 6: But also beneath all of the testimonies that came in

1168
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 6: through former assistants and people who were you know, whether

1169
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 6: they were cleaning up after the freak offs, which are

1170
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 6: emboiled into the sex trafficking, or whether they were dropping

1171
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 6: off stuff for those evenings, or the drugs that people

1172
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 6: were moving distributing. I know that's in question right now,

1173
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 6: but there were others, and I think what's complicated we

1174
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 6: had an expert on and I'm not remembering which, but

1175
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 6: that is part of the complication Venie, is that you know,

1176
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 6: bad Boys records is not no one's alleging that it's

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00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 6: just to have criminal activities for Diddy, but that they

1178
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 6: were embroiled inside of it, and that many of the

1179
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 6: people around Diddy were engaging to help these crimes.

1180
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Speaker 2: Can I ask a question because venis you might have

1181
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 2: an opinion on this. Also, if he gets found if

1182
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 2: he's found innocent of the Rico charges, and he's found

1183
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: not guilty on the main first charge and maybe one

1184
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 2: of the predicates the lesser charges he is found guilty on,

1185
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: is the prosecution able to retry him for count one

1186
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: of racketeering? And hey, while I'm mad at this has

1187
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: been a fun dress rehearsal. Everyone prosecution now knows what

1188
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: they did. Maybe a less instellar job about and let's

1189
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: round up all the kids and anybody else on his staff.

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00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 2: Maybe else Coo can be brought to charges as well.

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00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 3: I don't think so. Well, yeah, oh that's true. You're right,

1192
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 3: that's right, that's right. Garrison Ford would not like that.

1193
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 4: Only right he gets retried is if it's a mistrial,

1194
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 4: like a hung jury on that charge, right, yeah.

1195
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 2: Right, ooh, I yeah, I feel like very confused and

1196
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 2: scared by it all. And listen, we've seen this in

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01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: some of these high profile cases where this instruction is

1198
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: so specific, right, so one person just like not understanding,

1199
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Speaker 2: like we're hearing happened yesterday with one of the jurors.

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Speaker 2: You're formerly known as your juror number twenty five. That's

1201
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: scary stuff too, because does that just leave room for

1202
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: more appeals too? And also great question about the July

1203
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: fourth weekend. Imagine how are they listen when one thought,

1204
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 2: how is the jury not sequestered at least while they're deliberating.

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01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 3: I get it.

1206
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: If it's a too much for thirty days or you know,

1207
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 2: we've seen that, I get it.

1208
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: I get it, I get it.

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01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: But for those next couple of days, since everybody talking

1210
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: about this right now, who's to say that all the

1211
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 2: jurors aren't going home and just you know, watching Fox

1212
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: News and CNN.

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01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 6: Or just going to a barbecue on the True Crime tonight.

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01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, safe me that one or two hold out duror

1215
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 8: who's like, no, I can't make up my mind yet,

1216
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 8: they're gonna now go home. I'm sure people know where

1217
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 8: they potentially live, and now they're they're exposed to potential

1218
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 8: danger because they haven't made it a final decision yet.

1219
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 8: So all of this seems to me like it's not

1220
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 8: really well thought out. But I'm not a professional couch.

1221
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 3: We just play one on the radio. You sound like

1222
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 3: a professional to us, Sure do, sure do. Thank you

1223
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 3: for calling Nise. Thank thank you Venise.

1224
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 4: Wow, that was a great question, clever question. Yeah, that's

1225
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 4: a question.

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01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,440
Speaker 3: She's a smart Listen, our listeners are very smart. They're

1227
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 3: smart than though I think.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, that's always surround yourself with people who are smarter.

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Speaker 3: That's agreed, that's a great So what else did so?

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01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 3: What else did Coberger's family or coborgers with the victim's family.

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01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, So hopping back in and this is all in

1232
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 6: response to the trial will very likely not happen after

1233
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 6: Brian Coberger pleads guilty tomorrow, as he's planned to do

1234
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 6: for murdering the four victims in Idaho. So, Madison Mogan,

1235
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 6: we already spoke about Ethan Chapin's family and they are

1236
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 6: for it. They are for this plea deal. Madison Mogan's

1237
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 6: family also supports this plea and views it as a

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01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 6: way to quote, put this behind us, to avoid the

1239
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 6: prolonged courtroom proceedings. And Madison's father Ben, he said he

1240
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 6: feels relief at the end of the uncertainty. And something

1241
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 6: that's quoted is if you get that quick death sentence,

1242
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 6: you don't have to spend decades thinking about how terrible

1243
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 6: you made the world. We can actually put this behind us,

1244
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 6: think about the rest of our lives and have to

1245
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 6: try and figure out how to do it without Maddie.

1246
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 6: And that's margeously.

1247
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 3: Said, and we're breaking.

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01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 6: It's very heartbreaking, and honestly, I have to say I

1249
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 6: can't put myself in the position, but I've always felt

1250
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 6: that in that position, I would feel that way that

1251
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 6: death was almost too easy, that they should live out

1252
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 6: every day knowing what they did. But listen, we're going

1253
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 6: to continue discussing more about this. We will finish up

1254
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:25,080
Speaker 6: with the rest of the families and their responses, and

1255
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 6: we also are going to be taking your calls, So

1256
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 6: reach out eight at eight three one crime, Keep it here,

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01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 6: True Crime Tonight. We're talking true crime all the time.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1259
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker, I head

1260
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: of Katie's Studios, and we make true crime podcasts, documentaries.

1261
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 2: And you know who is with me, Courtney Armstrong, body

1262
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 2: move in and listen. Lots to unpacked tonight. So we've

1263
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: been knee deep in all things Diddy. As a reminder,

1264
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 2: will be tracking this closely tomorrow there could be a verdict,

1265
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 2: And honestly, at this point it's a it's a country

1266
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 2: divided as to how this will shake out. There doesn't

1267
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: seem to really be a clear obvious answer. So we're

1268
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: on Diddy Watch and then Brian Coburger the accused and

1269
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 2: the Idaho College murders, accused of killing Madison Mogan, Kaylee

1270
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: gonzalveez Ethan Shapin, and of course why am I, oh,

1271
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: Kaylee Gonzalvez, Did I say this wrong?

1272
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 6: I hold not.

1273
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 2: You know, their families have really had a ton to

1274
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: say real time about kind of their mixed emotions about

1275
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 2: this new development and him changing.

1276
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 3: His plea to guilty.

1277
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 2: Also, you know, for the first time, Brian Coburger, the accused,

1278
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: his parents and family have put out a public statement

1279
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: and you know, we've heard very little from them, and

1280
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 2: they really haven't been attending a lot of these hearings

1281
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: throughout the last year. It's been you know, his sisters

1282
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 2: were fired from their jobs. You know, mom used to

1283
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: work at the school that was a janitor with bankrupt

1284
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: putting you know, his son through university and such. So

1285
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 2: the statement, body, I know you have that top of hands.

1286
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got this.

1287
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 4: From our friend Brian Entton, and right before air, his

1288
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 4: family released a statement. Brian Coberger's family released a statement

1289
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 4: and it says, in light of recent developments, the Coburgers

1290
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 4: are asking members of the media for privacy, respect, and

1291
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 4: responsible judgment during this time. We will continue to allow

1292
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 4: the legal process to unfold with respect to all parties,

1293
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 4: and will not release any comments or take any questions.

1294
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 4: We ask that you respect our wishes during a difficult

1295
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 4: time for all those affected.

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Speaker 3: What a tough spot.

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Speaker 4: And Brian Entton also released that the Coburgers will be

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Speaker 4: at the hearing tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 4: It's important to know that the Coburgers have not been

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01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 4: to any of the proceedings thus far. They've been to

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01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 4: no of the pre trial hearings. However, they did go

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01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 4: to the extradition hearing or in Pennsylvania except for the

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01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 4: oldest sister.

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01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 3: What do you mean that?

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01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 2: I mean it started resources right, Like, that's a very

1307
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: expensive trip to make.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 2: They've put so much money on the line to get

1310
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 2: their son through university. The sisters have always been very

1311
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: interesting to us because they're two older sisters, you know.

1312
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:27,480
Speaker 2: But Brian was the baby and one of them was

1313
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:31,439
Speaker 2: a therapist and you know, very loved, and the other

1314
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 2: you know, they both got fire just by being related

1315
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 2: to him. So for them to all have to go

1316
01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: and face the other victims' families.

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01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 4: I mean, he destroyed, He destroyed many families, right, He's

1318
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 4: it's it's unfortunately, of course, you know, Brian Coberger's family

1319
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 4: still have him alive to talk to and look at,

1320
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 4: you know, and the victims of Brian Coburger's they they

1321
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 4: don't have their loved one, but they're all victims. Like

1322
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 4: Brian Coberger's family is completely destroyed. It's sad, it's very

1323
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 4: that's right. But I think it's telling that that they're

1324
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 4: going to this hearing. I think that Listen, don't get

1325
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 4: me started, but I do think that they had a

1326
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 4: hand in him taking this arrangement. I think Mom particularly

1327
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 4: pled with him. You know, please Brian, like I can't

1328
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 4: lose you. I you know, this this whole thing that

1329
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 4: I would do if it was my kid too, right,

1330
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 4: I would be begging please you.

1331
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1332
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,640
Speaker 4: Terrible, And I think it kind of came down to

1333
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 4: we'll even be there, We'll be by your side, we

1334
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:33,960
Speaker 4: will fly out there, you know.

1335
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 3: Kind of that kind of situation. We don't know, it's

1336
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 3: all speculative, but just a feeling I have.

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01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 6: So Brian Coburger, the reason body you mentioned the extradition

1338
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 6: from Pennsylvania, and that was even Brian Coburger was from Pennsylvania,

1339
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 6: had been at a neighboring college next to the University

1340
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,479
Speaker 6: of Idaho, and then it was he took a whole

1341
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 6: trip back to Pennsylvania and after for the Thanksgiving break

1342
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 6: or Thanksgiving break, and then after several weeks he was

1343
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 6: captured at his home.

1344
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 3: Run right, So he was captured at his home.

1345
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 2: And there has always been some chatter that maybe one

1346
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 2: of the sisters tipped it off, and you know, she

1347
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 2: had kind of a bad feeling. Again, you don't want

1348
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 2: to think these things about a loved one, and you know,

1349
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: it seems like from an outsider looking in. And again

1350
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: we read the chatter also of like, well, you know,

1351
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: they raised a monster, brought blah blah, and it's like,

1352
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 2: that's tough until you're in somebody's shoes. You know, Really,

1353
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 2: who's to say we haven't ever heard anything negative about them? Truly,

1354
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 2: I mean truly, truly truly, we really haven't. And that

1355
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 2: takes a lot of courage to have to face these victims'

1356
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 2: families as well. I would imagine that I think this

1357
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 2: is going to be the first time that they're actually

1358
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 2: all locking eyes. I think it is as well.

1359
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 4: Know it is because they haven't been in the hearings. Yeah,

1360
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 4: they only went to the one in Pennsylvania. And of

1361
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 4: course the victims' families weren't there. They're you know, they're

1362
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 4: all in Idaho and Arizona and Washington.

1363
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 2: You guys ever see that documentary. Not to change subjects,

1364
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 2: but I promise it has a point. It was the

1365
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting the name of it, but it was so

1366
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 2: sad and really worth a watch. It was made by

1367
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 2: the mom of one of the Columbine shooters, and it was,

1368
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: you know, kind of her perspective of raising a son.

1369
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: I hope I'm getting this right, but I'm pretty sure

1370
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 2: it was Columbine, one of the terrible school shootings, and

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01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: her son was not only killed himself because he took

1372
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 2: his own life, but was this active shooter. And you

1373
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 2: know the signs that she missed. You know, she had

1374
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 2: kissed him the night before, you know, in her mind,

1375
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:33,839
Speaker 2: busy mom. You know, they have you know, hectic lives

1376
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: and jobs and work. You know, she felt pretty engaged

1377
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 2: with him and felt as though, you know, she was

1378
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 2: kind of on it and didn't really see these big,

1379
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:46,480
Speaker 2: huge warning signs allegedly. And it was an interesting perspective

1380
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: because they took so much heat. You know, you raise

1381
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 2: somebody who took so much from so many you know, yeah,

1382
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,839
Speaker 2: you become a target for that. And on the flip

1383
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 2: it offered a level of compassion that I hadn't really

1384
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: experienced until I watched that of a some of the

1385
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,559
Speaker 2: signs that maybe retrospectively she really wanted to discuss and

1386
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 2: talk about that, maybe that you just straight up missed.

1387
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 2: And some of that was because we love so much.

1388
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you love someone so much you don't

1389
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: want to see the very worst trait and we explain

1390
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,560
Speaker 2: stuff away. And you know, this is obviously I'm projecting.

1391
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 2: I don't know this is how the Coburgers feel, but

1392
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,919
Speaker 2: I would have to assume this is a very difficult

1393
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: moment for them as well.

1394
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 6: Beyond words, I can absolutely I believe the documentary. I've

1395
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 6: seen it as well. I think it's called American Tragedy,

1396
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:38,799
Speaker 6: and I believe so, Yeah, I've also seen that mom

1397
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:42,520
Speaker 6: do a TED talk and it was one of the

1398
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,679
Speaker 6: most powerful TED talks I've ever seen.

1399
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 3: And it's a lot of guts for her to put

1400
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 3: herself out there.

1401
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:50,160
Speaker 2: You know, this is again you have a target on

1402
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 2: your own back and people are awful, right, so.

1403
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 3: Why don't you do this? And why don't you do that?

1404
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 2: And again I get it, like that's got to be enraging,

1405
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 2: but she actually really took that back and just almost said, like,

1406
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: I want everyone to learn from me what I missed,

1407
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:09,759
Speaker 2: and let's like play that forward worst case scenario basically.

1408
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's worth a watch.

1409
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 6: So have you guys just sticking with that tangent for

1410
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 6: one hot second, have you guys seen adolescence on exactly? Which, Yeah,

1411
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 6: so that's not a documentary, but it really it tells

1412
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 6: all sides of In this case, the boy was I

1413
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 6: believe thirteen years old and he murdered an innocent girl

1414
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 6: basically with rage. There were some notes of in cells

1415
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 6: which we mentioned before and we'll talk about later, but

1416
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 6: it shows from his perspective, you know, the family of

1417
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 6: the suspect or of in that case, the murderer, and

1418
01:11:47,720 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 6: of course everyone else's. But there's a lot of sides

1419
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 6: to this coin.

1420
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, being a family member, we even see this done.

1421
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: To jump to ditty again, but you know, his daughters

1422
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,080
Speaker 2: are young girls. You know, they've been subjected to this trial.

1423
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 2: They're seeing dad and you know, some of the darkest

1424
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: parts of their father's daily life, right his sex life,

1425
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 2: his you know, kinks, all the things that have been

1426
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 2: you know, wiped out. You know, you have to wonder

1427
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 2: are they all catching heat too as a result? You know,

1428
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 2: these were young people that sometimes death by association.

1429
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 6: Absolutely, and if you want to, if you want to

1430
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 6: weigh in, which we'd love you too, give us a

1431
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,679
Speaker 6: call eight to day through on Crime. This is True

1432
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:29,759
Speaker 6: Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. So we've already have spoken about

1433
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 6: how the families half of the families are feeling in

1434
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:36,560
Speaker 6: the Coburger case. Ethan Chapin's family, it seems happy is

1435
01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 6: not the right word, but they support the plea, as

1436
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 6: does the family of Madison Mogan on the other side,

1437
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 6: is in a Kernodles family and they also feel that,

1438
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 6: you know, they want to criticize the prosecutors and they

1439
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 6: do not feel they were spared as family, which is

1440
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 6: what the prosecution is saying we wanted to spare you,

1441
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 6: and they said, quote, we know the goals, they were

1442
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 6: not trying to spare us. And then finally the family

1443
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 6: of Kaylee Gonsalvez, they said they they were not prepared

1444
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 6: for the plea deal. They had no idea what was

1445
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 6: going to happen. They felt that Idahoa has failed them

1446
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 6: as a state failed their family. They called it sad

1447
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 6: and disgusting and also, body, I believe you said that

1448
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 6: Kaylee's family will be standing outside the courtroom. Is that correct?

1449
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 4: Yes, that's my understanding is that Steve will not. And

1450
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 4: I don't know if the whole family. I just know

1451
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 4: the dad, Steve Gonsalves, who has arguingly been the most

1452
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,759
Speaker 4: public and forthcoming about his feelings of, you know, despair

1453
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 4: over over this plea deal. He said that, and I'm paraphrasing,

1454
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 4: but he said, he's too angry, and he doesn't I

1455
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 4: don't think he wants to be in the courtroom. I

1456
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 4: think he's disgusted, and you know, it's certainly not for

1457
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 4: me to tell him how to feel, and so you

1458
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,719
Speaker 4: have to respect that he recognizes that he might lose

1459
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 4: his cool. I absolutely respect that, and I think he

1460
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 4: wants and I don't kind of help blame him. I

1461
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 4: think he wants the media to see him out there.

1462
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 4: It's kind of like a silent protest to a little bit.

1463
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 6: Yes, that's how That's how I would see it as well.

1464
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 6: And I have no idea what is in this man's mind,

1465
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 6: but putting myself in his position for a moment, I

1466
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,919
Speaker 6: don't believe I would be able to physically control myself

1467
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 6: in a courtroom.

1468
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 3: I really I don't sure.

1469
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 6: I don't think I would.

1470
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,680
Speaker 3: When you have to respect that he recognizes that.

1471
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 6: Yes I do.

1472
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 4: I absolutely respect that he recognizes that. And you know,

1473
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 4: I respect the whole family, even even Kaylee's sister wrote

1474
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 4: a letter, you know, to I think, to the judge,

1475
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 4: I'm not exactly sure, but she, you know, so eloquent

1476
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 4: when she's she's so young, she's only like eighteen or nineteen.

1477
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 4: In her letter she said that, you know, Brian gets to,

1478
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 4: you know, have a life in her sister's voice has

1479
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 4: been taken away forever.

1480
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 8: You know.

1481
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 3: It's very sad. It's very very sad.

1482
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 4: And I commend them for being so public, even though

1483
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 4: I necessarily might not agree with it, it's I am

1484
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 4: in no place to tell them how to feel, that's all,

1485
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 4: you know.

1486
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody knows until they're in this horrible situation, right,

1487
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 2: And it's particular too. That's interesting that Madison Mogan her

1488
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 2: family is a little bit more at peace with this

1489
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 2: decision than the Gonzalvez family. That's victim Kayley's parents, because

1490
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 2: they were best friends growing up.

1491
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:24,880
Speaker 6: That's right.

1492
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 2: Everybody is standing by. So we have Anjeanette Levy will

1493
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 2: be on the ground tomorrow reporting there.

1494
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:31,880
Speaker 3: Live as well.

1495
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 2: We have Jarrett Farentino who will be with us also

1496
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 2: to sort of unpack some of the legal shenanigans that's

1497
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,799
Speaker 2: happening in all of these cases. Frankly, so, man, guys,

1498
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: it's been a whirlwind. I can't imagine how stressful this

1499
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 2: must be for a the person who's standing trial, but

1500
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 2: also for jurors and the ditty case. What a night

1501
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: this is, this is the night potentially that Again, I

1502
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 2: said it earlier. I think they should be sequestered because

1503
01:15:56,520 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 2: there's so much chatter right now it's impossible to avoid it.

1504
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,679
Speaker 2: But I guess we just have to trust the system now,

1505
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 2: and you know, we're rooting for them whatever justice looks

1506
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 2: like on either side, you know we are we are

1507
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Speaker 2: standing behind them and supporting them.

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01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 4: Yes, for sure, like one hundred percent support. And you

1509
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 4: know tomorrow we might get a verdict and the plea tomorrow.

1510
01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 4: Tomorrow might be a big another crazy, big day. Yes,

1511
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can take it. Honestly, I

1512
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 4: think every day, I feel like every day for the

1513
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 4: past week, I feel like, oh my god, Okay, what next,

1514
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 4: what's happening?

1515
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 3: There's too much going on.

1516
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 6: I think the last night's show was literally the entire

1517
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 6: range of human experience with the with the shock of

1518
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:45,640
Speaker 6: this coburger plea deal. I mean there were tears, we

1519
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 6: had range, we had empathy, we had.

1520
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,680
Speaker 3: It was and now I just looked like I got

1521
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 3: hit by a bus.

1522
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah you've been through it, an inside out sweatshirt and

1523
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,360
Speaker 2: a little side phony to go Wow, well listen to.

1524
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:05,639
Speaker 6: Your appearance on TMZ was flawless. So keep the phony

1525
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:09,600
Speaker 6: for when we're all together. We actually we have a

1526
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 6: dm oh oh yes, hello ladies that would be us.

1527
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 6: Absolutely love the show, Thank you. I'm wondering, since Brian

1528
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,759
Speaker 6: Colberger was studying criminology, do you think that he thought

1529
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:23,680
Speaker 6: he was smart enough to get away with this.

1530
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 3: Oh god, that is the age old question.

1531
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,680
Speaker 2: Did I always want to say three thousand hours on

1532
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: that question, I could do.

1533
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:31,960
Speaker 3: What we could do a whole show on that question.

1534
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 2: We actually should and and by the way, we should

1535
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 2: have her come on and also kind of unpack this

1536
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 2: with us, because that is the big question.

1537
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 3: Why so messy? If you were so smart?

1538
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 8: Wow?

1539
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 6: But how I mean think how not messy? Again? The

1540
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 6: fact that there was no DNA, no blood in the car.

1541
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 3: Well, we don't know that. We don't Okay, technically we

1542
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 3: don't know that.

1543
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 2: I agree with court that it does seem like it's

1544
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 2: such an overkill. The walls were bleeding this guy.

1545
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,480
Speaker 4: I think there was blood. I think it was degraded.

1546
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 4: I don't think they could use it. They never said

1547
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 4: there was no DNA in the car. They said lack

1548
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 4: of DNA. That's a big difference. Oh, that is a

1549
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 4: very important distinction. Body, you got when you're reading these

1550
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 4: dot enlessen Ann Taylor is a very good lawyer, right,

1551
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,720
Speaker 4: she chooses her words very carefully. When you're reading these

1552
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 4: court documents, you really have to look at every word

1553
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,680
Speaker 4: and you, I mean, when you have to analyze the

1554
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 4: document very very closely.

1555
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,560
Speaker 3: She said, lack of DNA.

1556
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 2: And do you think that this is I guess unknowable.

1557
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 2: But his defense attorney and Taylor, who you were referring to,

1558
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 2: is a very prestigious death sentence attorney who's been you know.

1559
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 3: One of these real time. Does she know?

1560
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 2: Does if your defense attorney knows that you did it,

1561
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 2: do they have to be compelled in any way?

1562
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 6: Or?

1563
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 3: Of course not absolutely not no, So you.

1564
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 2: Can confess to your defense attorney and I have to

1565
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 2: take it to the grave.

1566
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 3: Yep.

1567
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 2: Really, I know that's a very basic piece of information

1568
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: that I should know. For some reason, I don't know

1569
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 2: that that is hitting me different right now. I hear

1570
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 2: the music and I don't want to show to end everybody,

1571
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 2: so listen.

1572
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 3: Thank you for the beautiful night. I'm so happy to

1573
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:12,679
Speaker 3: have been here with you. Guys.

1574
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 2: We're going to be watching closely, so make sure you're

1575
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,799
Speaker 2: with us tomorrow. True crime tonight, we're talking true crime

1576
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 2: all the time.

1577
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 3: Stay safe, have a great night.