WEBVTT - Remembering Year One of The Death of Roe Part 1 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:07.560 Welcome to Take It Happened Here, a podcast that now 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:11.479 more than ever, is about things falling apart. It's been 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:16.040 roughly one year since the dab's decision has annihilated what 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.079 was left of the protection for legal abortions in this country, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:26.079 and things have gotten enormously worse in ways that most 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:31.200 people are essentially attempting to ignore or hide from. There are, however, 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:36.360 a lot of people who cannot essentially run from the 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:41.280 absolute horror that has been unleashed in this country. And yeah, 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.559 I'm going to be talking today and tomorrow with one 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:44.519 of those people, who. 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.239 Is Crystal has has the triple crown. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:50.919 Of abortion work of being an abortion worker, a union organizer, 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:55.640 and on the board of an abortion fund. Yeah, welcome 0:00:55.680 --> 0:01:03.080 to the show, Crystal. And I'm sorry, You're. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:05.560 Sorry, Thank you, Thank you so much. Mea, it's really 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.800 nice to be here again. I had a lot of 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.520 fun last time, and it's nice to be talking to 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.759 you again, even though I only have really horrible Yeah, 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:17.080 it's to say, for the most part though, there are 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:21.000 some good things, but it's mostly really awful. 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:22.880 Yeah. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.360 So I guess I guess that's where I want to start, 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.640 is it's well Okay, I think I'm pretty sure that 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:31.280 So the day this is coming out, it's going to 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.319 be I think two days before the anniversary of Dobbs, 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:37.920 and I wanted to, I guess first just ask what 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:43.240 it's been like emotionally before we get to the sort 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:47.039 of like more material consequences of it, if that's all right. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:53.120 Yeah, So, as an abortion worker, this has been an 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:57.720 incredibly difficult year, and that's that's with the context that 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:01.440 things were not good before. Yeah, last June twenty fourth, 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:05.600 twenty twenty two, things were not good before then, so 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.840 you know, we were we were really running up against this, 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.640 this this impending decision that we knew was going to happen, 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.400 and then it ended up happening, and then it was 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:20.880 really horrible, And honestly, it's been horrible every single day since, 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:26.560 and it's just gets more horrible every single week. And 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.480 that's you know, I sound so negative saying that, I know, 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.920 but I just know that I'm saying that knowing that 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.519 there's so many amazing people who are doing like abortion 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.000 advocacy and abortion care work and offering abortion services and 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:46.480 practical support for abortion, and it has just been a 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:52.040 incredibly heavy year for us. We've we've seen, we've all 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:55.519 witnessed a lot in the last year, and we're all 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:59.000 carrying a lot and it's. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:02:59.840 It's just hard. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:04.720 And I'm really grateful for everyone that I work with 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:09.280 and that I'm in community with, but it's it's been traumatizing. 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:10.799 I know that. 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.280 You know, it's really easy to say. I think like, oh, 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:19.079 you know, this is traumatic, and that's traumatic, But I 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.239 don't know what else, what other word to use to 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:25.840 having had witnessed everything that we've witnessed in the last 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.240 year and to know that there's no end in sight. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.120 It is incredibly traumatic. It's like a national trauma. We're 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:32.359 all sharing it together. 0:03:33.400 --> 0:03:37.160 Yeah, Okay, I guess we should get into sort of 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.880 what the things that you've been seeing have looked like. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.120 And I think one of the best ways to do this, 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.880 I think, is by just talking about like what the 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.920 process is like of trying to get someone in abortion, 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.760 because it's gotten so much harder and so much more dangerous, 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:55.320 very rapidly. 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:56.560 Yeah. 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:01.960 Absolutely, things have changed a lot in the last year. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.680 Because you know, if we're if we're starting from when 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:09.720 things really hit the fan. June twenty fourth, twenty twenty two, 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.400 even though things were getting worse before that, because you know, 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:17.120 for example, there was the ban in Texas that started 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:20.520 on September first and in twenty twenty one, so that 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:22.600 you know, things I saw a lot in my head 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:24.800 if I can point, like when did I really know 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.279 that we were we were fucked and we were going 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.039 to like we were going to see the worst outcome. 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.320 I would say on September first, twenty twenty one. But 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.960 we saw the initial trigger bands go into effect immediately 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:44.040 after the Dobbs decision. Uh, So you know, like for example, Texas, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.000 the bands went into effect immediately. There were other states 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:48.440 that it was a little bit more delayed, like for 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.080 example Ohio. And then there's also been a lot of 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:55.440 back and forth because some states in which they're having 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.640 bands now those are currently paused and they're being worked 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.520 through the legal system. And other new bands. There's pretty 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:03.720 much been a new band, it feels like pretty much 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.039 every week, to the point where I know that I 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.400 just named a couple of states just now, and just 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:11.679 to be cautious, I just want to say that, you know, look, 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:13.960 you can go to like abortionfinder dot org or I 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.440 need an a dot com and like look up your 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.200 state to see you know, if you have access in 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.200 your state, it changes so frequently that you really do 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.360 have to kind of rely on those reliable websites like 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.880 Abortion Finder and I need an a to really make 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.760 sure that you're up to date. So you know, don't 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.159 like if I mentioned a state, you know, just it 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:34.920 might have been there might have been something in effect 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.080 months ago and I'm just like alluding to it. So 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.599 just definitely rely on those resources that exist to see 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.280 what's up to date now. But yeah, things have been 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.400 incredibly back and forth for a lot of states in 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:50.080 the last year, and it's it's just there are holes 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:52.599 in access, there are deserts and access that just keep 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:58.560 widening and widening and widening. The most devastating being recently. 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:02.840 This was just this was a really bad day for 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.880 me and a lot of my coworkers when there was 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.880 the vote in Florida and the Florida Band is not 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.280 yet an effect, but we'll eventually be going into effect, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:19.359 and and that was really like one of the last 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.880 places that you could access an abortion in the Southeast. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.240 So now when you look at a map, which I 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.479 do a lot, I now have to look at a 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:32.640 map every single day for work and look at like 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.359 you know, individual state maps and like I'm on Google 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:40.279 Maps constantly. But there's there are places where you have 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.560 no choice but to travel to get an abortion or 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.600 access abortion services online if that is possible for. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:47.919 You, and. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:53.240 You know there there are resources available where if you 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:58.239 as an individual need an abortion and you keep looking 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.880 and you search and you reach out to people, those 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:05.520 resources are out there, you know. So practical support groups exist, 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:11.160 funding exists, Clinics and service providers will bend over backwards 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:13.960 to get you to your appointment and help you access 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.880 these services. So you know there is help out there, 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:23.400 but it is it's really difficult, and it's it takes 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:31.360 a lot of work to access an appointment. So everything's 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.960 it takes longer to get to an appointment, it takes 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.480 you have to travel further. You end up paying so 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.000 much more money, Like everything is just so much more 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:42.360 expensive than it was a year ago, because now you're 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:46.000 not just paying, you know, for the procedure cost and 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:47.560 then maybe like a little bit of gas money to 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.360 the appointment. You're having to figure out plane tickets, hotels, 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.480 gas money for whatever, like really long distances. I've seen 0:07:54.640 --> 0:07:58.240 patients driving twelve hours to get to an appointment. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.320 Yeah. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.000 And I can talk more about like what that process 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:04.640 looks like too, but I guess I just wanted to 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:08.080 give like a general overview of it's just getting harder 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:15.880 to access, longer distances traveling, and and and more expensive. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.040 And luckily there is people. There are people there to help, 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:24.800 and there is support, but it requires a ton of work, 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.120 a ton a ton of work in order to make 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:29.800 sure that people are getting the health care that they need. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:32.080 Yeah. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.760 And I guess, well, okay, two things. 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.920 One I want to I want to start the abortion 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:42.120 fund plug like right here, because you know, yeahs as 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.520 the cost of this increases, that means, you know, like 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.240 abortion funds need more money in order to be able 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.079 to keep doing this because every dollar that they don't 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:53.480 have is you know, potentially is like I'm not even touched, Like, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:55.040 is another person who's not gonna be able to get 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:55.440 an abortion? 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:02.360 Yeah, every every dollar matters. Yeah, And and I know 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.280 that I feel like a lot of leftists sometimes get 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.920 a little tired of hearing about oh, donate to your 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:09.480 abortion foot donating to an abortion fund, because like they're like, oh, 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.840 this this is not radical, but abortion funds are the 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.760 only way in which abortions are happening right now, because 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:20.280 it costs, like you might have to spend like two 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.839 thousand to three thousand dollars on a person sometimes in 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.880 order to make sure that they get healthcare. And that's 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:29.160 just one person. So the only reason that abortions are 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.560 still happening is because one people are putting that work 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:34.880 in and make sure that they happen. And like, you know, 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:40.040 those people are amazing, and also like people seeking healthcare 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:42.800 are amazing. They're incredibly brave to be doing what they're doing, 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:44.960 to be working so hard to get health care, to 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.240 be navigating all of these obstacles that you have to be, Like, 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:48.559 that's what you have to be strong. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:49.319 To do that. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.319 That's an incredibly brave thing to do, having to fly 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.320 in an airplane if you've never flown before to access 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.559 health care that you know you need. Like you're you're 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:02.240 being really strong and you're being amazing, but you don't 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.959 you shouldn't have to do that. And so it's a 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:06.839 lot of money. So thank god that the money is there, 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.880 because if the money wasn't there, then people would not 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.840 be able to be helped. So I know, that like, 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:14.640 you know, oh, donate to abortion fund, don't it to 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:16.960 an abortion pun But really, like, if you want people 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.560 to continue to get abortions now, not just waiting until 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.160 like November in an election, then you need to make 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:24.000 sure that the money. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.120 Is there for people to do that because it is expensive. 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.280 Yeah, we're talking to something like two or three thousand dollars, right, Like, 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.880 can you person listening to this, could you right now 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.719 spend three thousand dollars or something and be fine? 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.720 Right? And the answer is probably not. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:40.840 But and you know, and there's a there are like 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.120 a lot of people in this country who need abortions, 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.000 who are like way less well off than you are, 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:46.839 Like that is a shit tone of like that that 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:51.560 is a lot of money for me, like podcaster, that is, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:55.320 you know, a crippling amount of money for a lot 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:58.560 of the people who need this. And I don't know, 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:02.080 I mean, I think there's something really bleak about the 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:04.960 where society is structured, where your freedom and your bodily 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:10.280 autonomy are dependent on having money. But that's basically where 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:13.600 we're at, right, Like that's yeah, that's that's the way 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:14.880 the system works right now. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.400 And yeah, there's a part of me that like doesn't 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.240 want to lean in and like I mean, like you know, 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:20.400 I'm I'm a socialist. 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.280 I don't want to be like, oh, you know, money, money, money. 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.320 But like that is the only reason people are getting 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:30.160 healthcare is because there is money available, and people are 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:33.120 banding together to pool that money to make it available 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.360 to people who need it. So I'm just like, thank god, 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.320 I'm so glad because otherwise I would not be able 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.040 to get people to their appointments. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:52.880 And I can like. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.360 Talk out that process too, like you know, what does it. 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:55.959 Look like now? 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.079 Yeah, yeah, let's yeah, let's actually go through this. 0:11:58.480 --> 0:11:58.720 Yeah. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.760 I want to start off with like, but it what 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.560 I was when I started. So I've been working in 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:07.520 abortion care for six years now, and when I started, 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.200 I was working in a call center and I would 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:15.440 schedule appointments. So I would get a call and I'd 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:19.320 collect information and I would book the appointment and i'd say, 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.480 you know, thank you for as you know, for reaching 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.400 out to us for your services, and we will see you. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.360 At your appointment. And you know, the calls were. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.840 Long because you know, we'd have to work out financial assistance. 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:35.240 And then also abortion care is often just like a 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.680 really intimate type of healthcare to be accessing. So there's 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.600 a lot of factors sometimes to discuss with the person 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:46.760 that was accessing services, and it could be really complicated 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.120 with all of those factors. So, you know, like it's 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:55.960 always been pretty labor intensive to schedule someone sometimes, but 0:12:56.160 --> 0:13:01.319 it was it was fairly you know, fairly short phone 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.360 call for the most part most of the time, and 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.199 then you just get somebody scheduled and then you move 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.800 on and you schedule someone else. And that was six 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:11.480 years ago for me. And I'm not saying that more 0:13:11.520 --> 0:13:16.800 difficult situations didn't come up, because of course abortion access 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.320 was not good six years ago either, but the way 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.880 in which it's changed is so marked, and I feel 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.680 like there's so many people have witnesses where it went 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:32.959 from from that to it taking weeks to work with 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.120 one individual to get them to an appointment because there 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:44.360 is no clinic within eight hours driving distance to them, 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.760 and so the whole intake process and the whole just 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:50.640 like getting the funds together, I guess I'll just walk 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.920 you through it because I just I don't even know 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:53.680 how else to relate. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.520 So let's say, just like hypothetically. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.480 You know, you're an individual who is living in a 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:03.760 band state and they're the closest actual brick and mortar 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:07.520 abortion clinic to is nine hours away, which is the 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.720 situation for so many people that I talk to and 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.240 that are living in the United States. 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:14.840 And let's say you don't. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:19.160 Have a car, and you have children, and you don't 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.080 want everybody to know your business, so you like, you 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:22.960 don't want everybody in your family knowing that you need 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.760 an abortion and that you're looking for that type of 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.800 health care. So you're trying to do what you can 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:32.200 by yourself, and you're googling, and you're looking at different resources. 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:37.240 And what I witness a lot as a healthcare worker 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.960 helping someone through this process is there's a lot of 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:42.320 dead ends when people are trying to find someone that 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.320 can provide them with those abortion services. They you know, 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.880 they're looking at the clinics that are close to them, 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.360 and they're seeing that they're nine hours away and they 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.840 can't get to them. They're looking up fight tickets and 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.080 they're seeing it's like eight hundred dollars for their and 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.040 back and they can't afford that on top of the 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.400 procedure cost. And let's just say hypothetically they're early in 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:03.240 the pregnancy, and the procedure might cost maybe four hundred, 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:05.360 five hundred and six hundred dollars, which is still a 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.600 lot of money. That's still a lot of money, So 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.360 I don't want to pretend like that's not But on 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.920 top of that, then there's also the plane tickets, trying 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.240 to find a way to the airport and all of that, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.240 and they're just reaching a lot of dead ends like 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.440 I can't possibly go here, and I can't possibly go here, 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:26.000 and okay, like maybe I can go online and order 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.920 some medication, but it might not arrive for several weeks, 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:31.520 and what if it doesn't arrive. I mean, that's like 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:33.800 a really scary thing to be doing, like knowing you 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:37.600 need healthcare and knowing that you're relying on the mail 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.560 and like hoping that you get your packet and that 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.560 you can trust wherever you're purchasing the medication from. And 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.800 if you can't even really like let's say that you're 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:50.560 you're further along and you may be are like twenty 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.640 weeks and your options are incredibly more limited, and you're 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.040 paying a lot more if you don't have insurance coverage 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.840 with most people don't, So you're paying like maybe up 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.480 to I like it, two thousand and three thousand, four 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:08.280 thousand for a procedure, and you just need help, and 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:10.920 you need to ask for help, which is already like 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.280 a not a good spot to be in because you're 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.720 accessing health care and you have no choice but to 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.320 ask for help, and you shouldn't have to. 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:22.400 That's really fucking hard, right, Like I mean, I think 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:24.880 on an intellectual level, I think everyone has an experience, 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:26.200 which is how hard it is to ask for help 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.800 for stuff that's like incredibly minor. And then you're doing 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:37.400 this for a really intimate like healthcare decision, and yeah. 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.280 Like super personal, like your decision might be based on 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.200 like a bunch of factors that are just like really 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.160 personal for you. And you wish you didn't have to 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.600 tell people, or you wish you didn't have to talk 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.480 to so many people about an appointment because you know, 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.200 for most healthcare appointments, even though healthcare in general is 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.440 not easy to access, you just call and you schedule 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.120 the appointment, and maybe you have to pay a copay 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.920 and that's annoying. And then maybe the appointm is four 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:07.000 months out and that's awful too, but you know, it's 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.440 this just makes everything worse for the individual. So let's 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.000 just say, like, you know, they keep trying, and they 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:16.280 keep trying, and they keep looking, and you know, let's 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.760 say they get to me, and I'm somebody who I do. 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.840 I do scheduling now for patients who need to travel, 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:26.120 and I help them get financial assistance for the cost 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.399 of travel and for their appointment. So a lot of 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.960 times when I get in touch with someone, they've already 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.679 encountered so many dead ends, and when I am not 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.479 the dead end, they're filled with so much relief that 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.440 a lot of times this happens almost every day now, 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:46.520 someone will get in touch with me and they'll just 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.800 start crying when I tell them that I can help them. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.800 And that is not a good feeling, because I feel 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.200 like maybe in like other types of work, or maybe 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.439 even like before, like maybe years ago, like when somebody 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.600 was like grateful, it might feel good, like, oh, I'm 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:03.520 so glad I can help them. 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:08.320 But when someone who is like a caregiver, a worker. 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.960 Somebody who needs health care and they're scared and they're 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.840 crying out of relief, it does not feel good. It 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.800 makes me feel really horrible because they have already been 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:20.120 robbed of their dignity by the time that I talk 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:25.359 to them, and I hate that. It's just it's disgusting 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:29.840 that they've already been put in this situation that is dehumanizing, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:35.560 and I just it doesn't feel good when they cry 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:38.359 in relief. It just does not feel good. So, just 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:41.760 continuing this the tale of you know, this patient accessing 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:46.479 an appointment. So so let's say, you know, they can 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.720 get an appointment in a clinic. It's not in their 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:50.840 state because there's no it's not legal to provide an 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:54.480 abortion in their state, so they have to travel two 0:18:54.480 --> 0:19:00.240 states away and get to the clinic. So the flight 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.560 tickets are eight hundred dollars and the cost of the 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.919 appointment is four hundred, So already that's twelve hundred dollars, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:11.760 which luckily, I am so grateful and glad that I 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.320 have the ability to arrange financial assistance for that, and 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.400 I can work with individuals. 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:17.439 To do that. 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:22.480 Thank Thank the Lord, like they honestly, I shouldn't know, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.479 not thank the Lord, thank the people the Lord. Yeah, yeah, Like, 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.320 thank these people so much. I'm just like so glad 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:32.919 they exist and they're there and that they're such hard workers. 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:33.400 Oh my god. 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.360 But yeah, so that's twelve hundred dollars that we can 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:38.679 that we can look into covering. So that way the 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.720 person pays whatever they are capable of paying, even if 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:45.600 that's nothing, because you know, some of these people like 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.840 like they're living paycheck to paycheck because they're taking care 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.240 of their children and like their family is coming first. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:54.440 That is what is happening, is they are taking care 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.880 of their family and they are being a good caregiver. 0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:59.680 So the you know, the money is going to food 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:04.040 on the tabe. So that's that's like twelve hundred dollars. 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:05.320 But then there's a couple other things you have to 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.479 factor in, is like does this person need a hotel 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:09.960 because that can be an additional what like one hundred 0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:14.760 and two hundred depending And does this person have a car? 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.159 Can they pay for the gas money, especially if they're driving, 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.720 because like let's say they can get to an airport, 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.520 but the airport is still two hours away. You still 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.600 need gas money, You still have to park at the airport, 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.800 you gotta pay for airport parking. And then you get 0:20:29.800 --> 0:20:32.560 on the air You get on the airplane and you 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:36.400 fly over to the state where your appointment is. You 0:20:36.440 --> 0:20:39.200 get off the airplane, and then there is surge pricing 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.560 for lyft and Uber and let's say the Uber, it 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:44.760 can be anywhere from like maybe fifty dollars or one 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:48.320 hundred dollars depending on what's going on, And that is 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:50.560 just more money that needs to be spent. 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.280 The fact, the fact that they're going to hit by 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:56.080 fucking Uber surge process is so monstrous. 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.959 Yeah, and like airports in general, like like getting out 0:20:59.960 --> 0:21:02.720 of an airport using a ride shair is pretty terrible. 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:06.600 But yeah, you got to pay the surge pricing, so 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.520 and then you get to the clinic and then you 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:10.760 have your services, which is just really like when you're 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:11.560 accessing healthcare. 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.159 I mean we're all we all access healthcare. 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.040 We're all human beings who need health care. Like, you 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:19.480 really want to be able to focus on that appointment 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:21.240 and the care you're getting. But at this point, they've 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:24.040 already traveled, like they've been on a journey. So they 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:26.000 arrived to the appointment and get the health care that 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.240 really should have been what they should have been able 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.720 to focus on, and then they got to go back, 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:33.480 so then they got to do the whole thing they 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:36.320 got through, go through airport security, get back, get the 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.200 uber from the airport, and then let's say they have 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:41.000 a two hour flight back, and that's I mean, that 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:43.280 could be done in all than one day, but sometimes 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:43.720 it can't. 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:43.840 Be. 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.800 Like sometimes it's just not possible to do all that 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:49.720 in one day. And that's like another obstacle that I 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:52.520 come across is that a lot a lot. I would 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:55.840 say most of the patients I talk to are already parents, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.359 So they're like, I have to be back that evening 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:01.919 because I don't have childcare overnight, Like I don't have 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:06.200 overnight childcare. So then I'm like trying to get them 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:12.159 back the same evening because because they're a parent, And 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:15.119 then like, can you imagine just like you know, just 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.800 like imagine your own parents, like your own like mom, 0:22:17.960 --> 0:22:21.120 just like zipping away for one day to go get 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:24.320 like a really simple health care procedure and then they 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:26.760 have to like rush back and you're already in bed, and. 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.040 It's just so stressful. It's so stressful for the for the. 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:35.879 Parent, for any any family members that might be like 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:38.280 kind of like sharing this whole stressful experience with them, 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:42.120 Any friends, any loved ones, and it's just you have. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:43.320 To find time off too. 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:45.520 Oh yeah, I didn't even get into that. 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:49.560 Yeah, so I don't know, Like I just I said 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:51.240 a lot of numbers just now, so I know, I 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:52.760 started off with twelve hundred and then I tacked on 0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:53.919 about a bunch of extra things. 0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:55.400 Oh and I didn't mention that you're gonna. 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.040 Have to eat that day, you know, like, yeah, you're 0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:01.040 in another state and you have to get food. So 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:04.679 like it easily for one person starts racking up until 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:10.199 like over two thousand, and that's why abortion ones are 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:14.840 really important. But that's also that's a lot. That's a lot, 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:18.600 and that's a lot on top of like an intimate 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:26.240 healthcare appointment. And you know, just just outlining how much 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.280 someone has to do to get to an appointment, there's 0:23:30.280 --> 0:23:33.240 even a couple other factors to consider too, because a 0:23:33.280 --> 0:23:37.000 lot of these people who are having to fly or 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:40.320 drive these long distances to their appointment, they would have 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:44.520 never been in that situation otherwise. So you know, these 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:46.640 are individuals who have never flown on a plane before, 0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:48.120 maybe because like they've just never been in a. 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:50.480 Situation in which they needed to fly on a plane. 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.280 They've always been able to drive to like vacations and everything, 0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:55.879 like you know, like, oh, family vacation, you drive maybe 0:23:55.920 --> 0:23:57.840 like four hours, and you know, you have fun, and 0:23:57.880 --> 0:23:59.000 you just don't want to go on a plane. 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:01.120 It makes you nervous. That's a lot of people live 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:01.480 like that. 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:03.840 So all of a sudden, these people have no choice, like, oh, 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:05.760 you have to get on a plane and otherwise you're 0:24:05.800 --> 0:24:08.760 gonna have to drive twelve thirteen hours. So they get 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:10.520 on a plane and they're scared because they've never done 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.520 it before, because they're already stressed out that they're going 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:16.840 to a doctor's appointment. They're already stressed out that they're 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:20.520 relying on basically strangers to get them there, which is 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:22.439 that's like a whole other topic is like you have 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.800 to rely on strangers, and that's you know, people shouldn't 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:30.960 have to do that. And then also you have to 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:33.959 navigate an airport. So a lot of my job has 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:36.520 become looking at maps, Like I'm looking at a map 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:38.240 like how far away is this someone from a clinic? 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:40.560 How far away are they from an airport? You know, 0:24:40.640 --> 0:24:43.200 can they go here? Can they go here? But I'm 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:45.520 also on the phone with people kind of describing how 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:49.120 airports work, like here's what airport security looks like. People 0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.199 are afraid of TSA, and I don't blame them. I 0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:53.040 fucking hate TSA. They're always passholes. 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:55.680 Fuck them. They make everything worse. 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:59.240 You got to go through TSA and you gotta yeah, 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:00.639 I gotta know how to get your tickets, and you 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:02.360 got to know how to where, you know, to get 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:04.520 to a terminal. A lot of people don't, like if 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.520 you've never flown before, they might not know that they're 0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.879 supposed to get on that little training you know, you 0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:11.560 know what I'm talking about, Like you will train, you 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:13.840 go to your terminal, and like a lot of people 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:16.600 don't know that, and all of a sudden they have 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:20.560 to find out really fast and I have to explain it. 0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:23.280 And that's part of their abortion care. Part of people's 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:29.080 abortion care is now talking them through an airport, and. 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:32.719 That that has sucks. 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.680 That's become like the daily experience. That's become the daily 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:40.199 experience where it's like, yeah, six years ago, these used 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:41.960 to be like Okay, I'm gonna bookr appointment. You're going 0:25:42.000 --> 0:25:44.080 to come in. Your appointment's going to be maybe like 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:47.159 I don't know, five hours and then you and then 0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:49.720 you leave and you drive home, and maybe you're only 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.520 driving like thirty minutes, maybe an hour, maybe two hours. 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:57.639 And now we're having people who, you know, flights or 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:01.000 it's a twelve hour drive, who are a flight there, 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:04.440 who are a flight back. The flight lands at like midnight, 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:06.600 you know, like and then your kids are in bed, and. 0:26:06.560 --> 0:26:07.360 It's like it's so. 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:16.800 Much, and you can see why people give up, and 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:24.040 people are giving up. In fact, the numbers are the 0:26:24.119 --> 0:26:29.080 numbers are hard to hear. I know that there was 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.400 a study that showed that in the first six months 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:34.280 after the DABS decision, thirty six thousand people who wanted 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:37.480 an abortion couldn't get one. And that is only in 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.240 the first six months, So I'm sure that that number 0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:43.679 is much I'm like dreading seeing new numbers, but I'm 0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:46.440 sure the number is much higher now. So when you're 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:50.040 faced with all of this, people do give up because 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:53.520 it is too much, which is the whole point of 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:56.200 all of the bands and everything that's happened. The point 0:26:56.240 --> 0:26:58.359 was to make people give up. And I think that 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:02.440 a lot of leftists maybe don't want to acknowledge that 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:07.920 people are giving up. They want to believe that people 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:10.679 will keep trying and they'll find those resources and they 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:12.840 will get to the appointments because help is available, but 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.160 not everyone finds the help that is out there, and 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:20.360 not everyone can make it work. Like there's a lot 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:23.199 of reasons why people can't do this ridiculous thing I 0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:29.720 just described. And then as abortion care workers, we see 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:32.200 them give up. And I think that's kind of been 0:27:32.240 --> 0:27:36.520 the biggest one of the biggest changes for me is 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:38.760 just how often I see people give up and just 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:40.439 having to witness that because it's like, well, what does 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.720 it mean when someone gives up? What does it mean 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:45.240 when someone stops trying to get the healthcare that they're 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:49.879 looking for? They're changing their entire plans, like, you know, 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.920 because like everyone, not everyone, but a lot of people 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:54.760 have like ideas of what they're doing with their life, 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:57.440 and they're like, I want to have this many kids, 0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:01.080 I want to have them at these times, and I 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:02.879 want to be with this person, or I don't want 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.760 to be with anyone, and I want to work this 0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:07.680 job and go to the school or whatever. You know, 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.720 You're making plans and then all of a sudden, because 0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:14.159 of this situation, you have to change your plans. And 0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:19.160 there's even worse things happening than that, But I think 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.720 that that's bad enough, is that you can't get what 0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:28.240 you need and you just have to just change your 0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:34.679 life and accept defeat and take a path that you 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:39.320 did not want to take. And it's fucking sad, and 0:28:39.360 --> 0:28:41.280 it's more than sad sad as an understatement, I don't 0:28:41.280 --> 0:28:44.840 know what word it is. It's horrible because this has 0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:46.760 been taken from them, The choice has been taken from 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:51.560 them completely, and that's that is going to have effects 0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:53.560 that we are going to see for decades to come. 0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:55.960 And that's kind of. 0:28:55.920 --> 0:28:57.400 Hard to wrap your brain around, Like what does it 0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:01.640 mean for that ten and tens of thousands of people 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:03.720 to not have had the health care that they need. 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.400 It means that we're going to see like the negative 0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:09.720 health effects for years to come because that is a 0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.240 lot of people. That is a lot of that's a 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.680 lot of people, and that's going to impact people in 0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:18.200 really long term ways for a really long time. And 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:21.680 knowing that is really I don't know, words are kind 0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.280 of failing me. Yeah, it's like it's like beyond traumatic, 0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:28.959 beyond Yeah, I'm sure there will be studies in years 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:31.920 from now I'm sure, but like it's been a year 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.400 and I can say, like it's those it's gonna the 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:37.920 data is going to be really bad. The data is 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:40.480 going to be really bad based on everything that I've 0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:41.040 already seen. 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:54.120 So suffering is not something you can quantify. 0:29:55.280 --> 0:29:58.000 And you know, the amount of human suffering that's been 0:29:58.040 --> 0:30:02.800 unleashed by this is, yeah, like one of the worst 0:30:02.880 --> 0:30:07.640 crimes that's happened in the century, full of like unspeakable crimes. 0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.520 And the suffering looks different for each individual, you know, 0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:15.720 like because it's just the whole, the whole, it's autonomy. 0:30:15.760 --> 0:30:18.080 You're losing control over your life and your body, and 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.680 your family and your and there's just so many things, 0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:24.480 and it looks different for each person. So for some 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:27.040 people it's like you have to just fucking change everything 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:29.520 that you're fucking doing. You can't control your life or 0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.600 your body. And then for other people it can be 0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:33.640 even worse than that. 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:38.280 Where where you are you're. 0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:41.320 Risking death because pregnancy is incredibly dangerous. So there are 0:30:41.360 --> 0:30:45.760 people who who are putting themselves in really dangerous situations 0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:48.280 with their pregnancies and they're being denied the care that 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:52.640 they need. So you see people who are being forced 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:54.880 to risk their life because they can't get the care 0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:59.560 they need, and people are losing their body parts, and 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.720 they're for tis because recently I read a story and 0:31:02.760 --> 0:31:05.000 then there's these horror stories every day, which I like, 0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.479 I read them because I want to know everything that's happening, 0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:10.360 but I also am so resentful that like every day 0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:15.120 there's like a new like horror story about these services. 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.720 But recently there was someone there was somebody who wasn't 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.840 able to get timely abortion care it had to continue pregnancy, 0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:24.160 ended up losing her uterus, even though she did not 0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:27.400 she wanted to have more kids. She like wanted to 0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:29.560 continue having children, so all of a sudden, because she 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:31.800 couldn't get an abortion, she couldn't continue to expand her 0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:35.720 family in the way that she wanted. Sterilized effectively, Yeah, exactly, 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:43.400 Like yeah, so it's the suffering is so different for 0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:47.720 each individual and so intimate to them there, and it's 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:49.360 it's going all the way up to like just like 0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:55.440 state mandated, just like body horror basically, and and it's deadly. 0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.240 It's really deadly, which is hard to talk about. 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.840 Yeah, I mean, you know, just having said that, should 0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:06.640 we talk a little bit about Gabriela Gonzalez and how 0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:09.840 you know, the other thing about abortion care is that 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:13.200 it's not just that pregnancy is dangerous physically, it's that 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:17.800 pregnancy like pregnancy is really dangerous socially because you know, 0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:21.400 we live in an incredibly patriarchal society and that means 0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.760 patriarchal violence is a real threat. 0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:31.080 Yeah, and this is always this Unfortunately one component of 0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:37.600 abortion care is it often involves interpersonal violence or more 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.000 you know a lot of people say domestic violence, and 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.200 it's because a lot of partners will try to control 0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:48.640 someone through through pregnancy and it's a tactic of abuse 0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:52.440 that that does come up. And if somebody does get 0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:56.000 pregnant while they are in that kind of relationship, and. 0:32:57.720 --> 0:32:59.320 That's that's a big thing. 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.160 You know, a lot of times they it makes sense 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.800 that if they're trying to get away from someone that 0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:09.160 you know, they don't want to continue the pregnancy. So 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:12.640 and then that might be something that the partner might 0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.480 be intimately involved in where either they know about it 0:33:15.600 --> 0:33:16.960 or they don't know about it, and if they know 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:19.960 about it, they could be pressuring the individual. It's unfortunately 0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.719 something that is often a component of this healthcare is 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.920 that that is a factor that the person seeking healthcare 0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:32.000 is dealing with. So in terms of and all of 0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.560 this is I'm like, this is all really really triggering 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:40.040 stuff too, and so trigger warning. But with Gabrielle A Gonzalez, 0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:42.960 that was something that happened. I think it was in 0:33:43.840 --> 0:33:46.080 it was in May. I remember it was in mid May. 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:50.680 Because the news hit. It hit hard for us for 0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:54.760 like a lot of abortion care workers and practical support 0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:59.360 you know, advocates, because it's the thing that we we 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:04.440 try so hard to keep our patients safe when they 0:34:04.440 --> 0:34:08.680 disclose things to us, you know, they we the patient 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:12.360 safety is the number one priority. And the fact of 0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:14.919 the matter is these bands make it harder for people 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.279 to access the services safely. So in the case of 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:21.000 Gabriella Gonzalez, I just want to say her name. She 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:24.719 was a mother of three children. She was twenty six 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:27.720 years old when she was murdered by her ex partner 0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:31.440 after she accessed an abortion in another state. So she 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:36.879 was located in Texas, she had to travel to Colorado 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.160 to get an abortion and when she came back, unfortunately, 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:50.320 she was murdered by her ex and just like a couple, 0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:56.399 just like a couple of things on that is. It's 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:58.399 just if you are trying to be discreet and you're 0:34:58.400 --> 0:35:01.359 trying to you know, take care of your healthcare, it's 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.080 hard to keep things private if you have to fly 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:07.040 to another or drive to another state. 0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:12.359 It's just this situation is is just so. 0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:15.040 Much more complicated than it would be if you could 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:18.399 access those services at home or near where you are. 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:23.719 It's easier to keep that information private, it's easier to 0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:25.719 handle that situation in a timely way. 0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:30.719 So I feel like, I mean, our. 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:35.000 Country is failing everyone pretty much, but I am torn 0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:41.040 apart and devastated, and this news hit so hard to 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:47.440 learn about Gabriella Gonzalez and what happened to her, and 0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:52.000 knowing that, you know, we try so hard to keep 0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:58.640 our patients safe and being careful about communications, being careful 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:01.160 about what we hand patients, even like there are some 0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:04.440 times like it's like, well, I cannot give you any handouts, 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.480 So here's how we're going to provide you the information, 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:11.000 because it's you know, people can't even have that information 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.240 on their phone or or in their purse on their person, 0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:17.279 and trying so hard and then just having like the 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:20.600 state defy you in every way, and and it's just 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.600 really it's trapping people in the in this these violent 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:27.960 situations that you say, I mean, these situations have always existed, 0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:32.600 but ever since these abortion bands went into effect, it 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.360 is made them even even more dangerous. 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.680 Yeah, And I mean, you know, and I think in 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:41.000 terms of just sort of getting at what the people 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:43.440 who support this stuff believe, like they know about this, 0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:45.839 like this is this is what they want to happen, right, 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.400 like this is you know, this is this is what 0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.239 this is what this is what it actually means to 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:53.480 have an ideology that's based on patriarchal control. 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:55.359 Is this ship yep? 0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:57.440 It's this like this is this this violence and that 0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:59.719 like this kind of coercion is what they want. These 0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:01.399 are all so you know, like again these are there's 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:03.080 a reason. These are also people who want to end 0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:07.080 out fall divorce, right like they like their entire ideology 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.839 is based on men being able to inflict violence, yep. 0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:14.280 And and you know, and these are what pro life people. 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:17.360 And you know, gabriel A Gonzalez was a mother of 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.439 three children. She was a mother and her children needed her. 0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:27.440 And now she's gone, And and I feel like the 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:32.680 abortion bands and the like the the demolition of abortion 0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:35.640 services in the United States has led to this situation 0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.399 and will continue to lead to more situations like this, 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:43.880 and they're all devastating and and I hate it. I 0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:50.000 just it's fucking awful. It's so fucking bad. And I 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:51.839 know that, like, like where do I go from there? 0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:59.360 After saying like the in the world, and then yeah, 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.000 I don't know, I mean, I guess, I guess. The 0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:05.000 thing I can say after that, right, is like, if 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:08.400 you want to live in a world that is not 0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:14.120 just utterly controlled by the most evil people who've ever 0:38:14.160 --> 0:38:18.120 lived by, you know, that is defined by enormous entries 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:23.640 of human suffering, like these people their politics, to logistical 0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:28.640 support networks, their parties, like the entire political apparatus that 0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:31.319 is doing it needs to be completely destroyed, like like 0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:35.040 raised to the ground in a way that it like 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:38.160 literally can never recover. And that is the thing that 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:42.080 is possible, right, It is possible to completely destroy political movements. 0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:45.160 It is possible to just drive them so far underground 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:48.400 that people forget they even existed. And you know, and 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:52.080 then that has happened to movements before that were you know, 0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:53.320 as powerful. 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.960 As this one. So it can be done. 0:38:56.160 --> 0:39:01.279 It's just it requires, you know it, it requires a 0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.120 level of political will that most that you know, politicians 0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:06.719 don't give a shit about because this is not something 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:07.800 that affects them. 0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:10.440 And speaking of politicians not giving a shit, going back 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:13.200 to like, you know, the initial reflection on like you know, 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:16.640 it's it's been a year since Roe v Way was 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:21.879 overturned in the Dobbs decision, and what has happened, Like 0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:26.680 what have the politicians done to alleviate all of this 0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.959 suffering that you know, I've been talking about, And it's 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.440 it's very little. Like the biggest win that we've had 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:38.719 is mif A pristone not being banned, which is horrible 0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:41.200 because like, oh and then that was that whole yeah, 0:39:41.280 --> 0:39:43.480 than that whole step, but that's like a whole other thing. 0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:48.600 But that is such a blique win, especially since it's 0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:51.240 not even gone and we're going to see this issue 0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:54.880 come back with mif A pristone. And and that's another 0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:58.440 thing too, because if that does happen, like missapriostal is amazing, 0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:03.680 and MISA pristal is very effective, and taking these prostile 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:09.000 only for abortion is effective. But it's also more symptomatic 0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:11.879 and given just like you know, like we were talking 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:15.040 about people like just people being exposed to violence, people 0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:19.680 having to act doing just like moving mountains and having 0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:23.200 to cross mountains and go on a journey to get 0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:27.960 these abortion services and literally what can be often a 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:32.520 thirty minute to an hour appointment if you're you know, lucky, 0:40:32.560 --> 0:40:34.920 it's not always like that. But anyways, like these services 0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:36.920 aren't complicated, like you know, like it's not like a 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:42.440 like these y, yeah, we have the technology, like like 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.240 to get medication, you just go and you get the medication. 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:46.600 They tall you how to take the medication, and they 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:48.440 make sure they can prescribe you the medication you get it. 0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:51.200 It's not like that can be like a fifteen minute appointment. 0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:55.879 And then if you're if you're like under a certain 0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:59.120 gestational age, a first time master abortion can be only 0:40:59.160 --> 0:41:02.000 like five minutes. Like this this is not complicated healthcare. 0:41:02.120 --> 0:41:06.640 This is very simple healthcare. And you're adding all these 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:09.160 extra factors in so when you're when you have to 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:12.200 prescribe someone in medication that is more symptomatic, which is 0:41:12.280 --> 0:41:15.440 just adding like it's just one more complication and. 0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:17.920 The attack on abortion services. 0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:22.120 Has always been death by a thousand cuts, and this 0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.439 is just like one more cut that we really really 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:25.120 do not need. 0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:26.400 So but that was a win. 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.680 And and and it's like that is such a shitty win. 0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:31.799 And then you have some states that are becoming like 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:35.120 sanctuary states where they're like, you know where I hate 0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:35.960 I hate saying that word. 0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:36.479 I'm so sorry. 0:41:36.480 --> 0:41:39.279 I didn't mean to say sanctuary states because it's really 0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:42.080 not that. But they're saying like, we're a safe place 0:41:42.120 --> 0:41:43.799 for you to get an abortion and we're never we're 0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:45.879 always going to have abortion services. And it's like, what 0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:49.400 does that mean if you have so many patients traveling 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:51.680 from other states that you're booking five weeks A. 0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.680 Yeah, well they won't And it's like they won't fucking 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.000 fund it, right, Like, yes, this is the thing that 0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:59.000 like I'm just like unbelievably fucking angry about, right, is it, 0:41:59.040 --> 0:42:02.879 like you know, dobbs In in terms of just the 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.160 raw sort of politics of it, Right, in terms of 0:42:06.160 --> 0:42:08.080 pure getting votes, this is the best thing that's ever 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:09.640 fucking happened in the Democratic Party. 0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:10.120 Right. 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.400 They have been reaping the fucking electoral rewards for this, 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:17.160 and what have they been fucking doing for fifty goddamn years, 0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:19.319 like nothing, right, and this and this is the thing 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:21.440 that like, Okay, you know, if if if you look 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.400 at the way the right has been like fucking dealing 0:42:24.400 --> 0:42:27.160 with this, right, it's at every single step, right, you know, 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.560 they they're constantly involved in lawsuits. They they're they're constantly 0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.319 pushing the boundaries and doing literally whatever they can within 0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:36.400 the within and without the bounds. 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:36.440 Of the law. 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:36.600 Right. 0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:38.600 I mean, we've talked about the sort of vigilante campaigns, right, 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.000 but like you know, like doing things like like like 0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:42.839 you know, I mean the one of the classic ones 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:46.200 is requiring like facilities that do abortions to have like 0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:48.480 a specific length of hallway or like like with a 0:42:49.120 --> 0:42:51.600 different Yeah, and like they've been doing all this fucking 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.280 legal bullshit to make it as hard as as humanly possible. 0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.200 Right, is there a democratic version of this? 0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:58.160 No? No, they fucking they came to the height of 0:42:58.160 --> 0:42:59.960 min like even even the states to have the ship 0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:03.560 like they're they're not fucking funding it, right, They're not 0:43:03.600 --> 0:43:05.600 fucking paying like they they're ship that they could be 0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:07.880 doing and they just they don't care because this is 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:09.319 this is a you know, this is a very nice thing. 0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:11.759 They can trot out in their fucking fundraising meetings and 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.080 they can get people to vote for them, but they're 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:16.200 not gonna they're not gonna wage this kind of campaign 0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:18.000 that the Republicans have been like, they're not gonna wage 0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:21.040 a pro access campaign on the scale at all, right, 0:43:21.080 --> 0:43:22.440 but they're not gonna not gonna wage we on the 0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:24.600 scale the Republicans have been doing to like make sure 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:27.640 that you fuck can't get these services. 0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:32.200 Yeah, it's like these blue states they're not safe. And 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.840 there's like the ridiculous that there was like stockpiling mesapostal 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:37.839 or whatever some states were saying they were doing. And 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:40.200 it's like, if you're really looking out for people and 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:45.600 you're really trying to defy these awful human rights violating laws, 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:48.560 then send the medication to band states. 0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:51.200 Yeah, I mean I help patients. 0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:57.480 In band states, like don't abandon Texas, don't abandon Louisiana 0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:01.840 and Mississippi, like help them, and because like where are 0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:06.000 they going? They're going to blue states. Like there's like 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:08.520 there's like a ripple effect. And I feel like I 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:11.480 talked about this last time when I was on talking 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:15.200 to you Where Okay, you can't get these healthcare services 0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:17.760 near you, so you go somewhere else, and the people 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:19.880 locally can't get those services, so then they have to 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:22.400 travel further. And there's like this ripple effect to the 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:24.640 point where like I'm sure that like blue states are 0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:27.439 seeing more appointments than ever, and I know for a fact, 0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:30.600 like here in Pennsylvania, here in Pittsburgh, where literally we're 0:44:30.600 --> 0:44:32.799 seeing we're always seeing people in Ohio just because they'll 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.120 even though abortion is legal in Ohio, it's just there's 0:44:36.120 --> 0:44:38.080 a lot of restrictions there, so it's a little tricky. 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:42.880 But then there's like West Virginia and like Kentucky and Tennessee, 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:47.640 and you're seeing so many more patients, so you're booking 0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:50.640 out further. And it's like if you're let's say you're 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:53.200 eight weeks and you find out, so if you're eight 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:57.359 weeks pregnant, then you're you've only missed your. 0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:58.680 Period like for like a couple of weeks. 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:01.400 It's really like, you know, you can find out you're 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:02.040 a weeks running. 0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:03.800 You're like, you just found out, really. 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:08.320 And you call somewhere near you to get an appointment, 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.480 but the appointment is five weeks away, so all of 0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.320 a sudden, you go from eight weeks to thirteen weeks, 0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:17.080 It's like what the heck? Yeah, like it's totally different options, 0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:21.560 Like and that's happening in blue states, and it's like, 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:28.399 so this is impacting literally everyone, but no politicians or 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:32.880 even like big talking heads are really doing anything about 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:37.000 it because it just gets worse. There's just more bands constantly. 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:38.840 And I want to talk a bit about this the 0:45:38.840 --> 0:45:41.680 sanctuary bullshit too, because I like this is like the 0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:44.960 third fucking issue that we've seen politicians be like, oh, 0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:46.759 we're a sanctuary state. It's like, yeah, okay, Like I 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.799 remember when I was doing fucking anti ice raids stuff, right, 0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.200 do you know how much time we fucking spent trying 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:55.680 to stop raids like ice raids in saying in quote 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:58.080 unquote sanctuary states, Like it's bullshit. 0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:01.200 It's always been fucking bullshit. They don't mean it, and you. 0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.400 Know, like all of the fucking like this is the 0:46:04.440 --> 0:46:06.839 sanctuary state thing is just like a thing that they 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.399 fucking say so that they can you know, just sort 0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:11.760 of like like rally their based support and like build 0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:14.160 towards whatever presidential run they're going to do in twenty 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:18.759 Like thirty two whatever, and it doesn't. It's not it's 0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:23.360 not helping people, and it's just not going to Yeah. 0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:23.480 It's not. 0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:26.080 It's it's not a strategy that works. And I mean, 0:46:26.120 --> 0:46:31.040 it's just entirely selfish. It's it's it's it's rage inducing 0:46:31.160 --> 0:46:34.400 because it's you know, how do I feel as an 0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:37.799 abortion worker. You know, it's been a year since Roe 0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:41.399 v Way was overturned, and I have to witness all 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:46.080 of this needless suffering and trauma and people's safety being 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:51.839 compromised and people being hurt and people giving up, and 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:54.960 and then these politicians are not doing anything. I am 0:46:55.080 --> 0:46:58.080 so I'm full of so much anger that it's it's 0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:02.680 sometimes numbing, Like sometimes I'm so angry that I kind 0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:05.440 of feel nothing like it kind of like it's like 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:11.120 it's so far down the spectrum that I like just 0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:13.960 it just turns into like a non emotion basically, like 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:17.120 so much anger that it's blinding and feels like nothing. 0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:21.080 And I don't even know what. 0:47:21.200 --> 0:47:22.279 I don't even know what to do with it other 0:47:22.320 --> 0:47:25.359 than focus into just like continuing to provide healthcare. Where 0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:26.759 it's like, oh, I'm so angry and I'm so mad, 0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:29.040 and I feel so terrible. I am going to make 0:47:29.040 --> 0:47:31.239 sure that this person gets an abortion. Like that's what 0:47:31.280 --> 0:47:33.840 I can do. I can, I can get people to 0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:38.160 an appointment, and I don't I want to do more. 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:42.600 I want to go and and just like raise everything 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:44.400 to the ground and be like like you were saying, 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:46.560 but I can't be the only one doing. 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.160 That, like we all have to do ye, Like we 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:50.520 all have to raise. 0:47:50.280 --> 0:47:53.480 Everything in the ground because this is so untenable and 0:47:53.560 --> 0:48:01.440 so unfair and and is creating such a huge ripple 0:48:01.520 --> 0:48:04.240 of suffering that we're all going to be experiencing for decades. 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:05.920 And I'm really bitter about it. 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:14.200 I'm super angry and super bitter, and and it's not 0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:17.560 going to get better too. It's it's not I have 0:48:17.600 --> 0:48:20.839 to be honest about that, because if I'm not, then 0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:23.840 I'm not going to be prepared. But we're going to 0:48:23.920 --> 0:48:28.360 continue to see these bands, they're not going away right now. 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:30.960 Then if a person issue is going to come back 0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:37.720 and and we're going to keep seeing it and it's spreading, 0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:39.520 and you know, I know that that's like a whole 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:44.360 other topic too, but the ripple effects are really immense, 0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:49.719 and every time someone is hurt, well, every individual. 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:51.880 Like when I heard that thirty six thousand number, that 0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:52.359 really hurt. 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:56.239 Yeah, because you know, I know how many patients I've 0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:57.919 seen in the last year, and it is it's less 0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:00.319 than thirty six thousand. So like, I'm happy every time 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:01.879 I help someone, I'm so happy, and I'm like, yes, 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:04.040 you know, I helped this person get healthcare. 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:05.000 I'm really happy. 0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:06.279 And then I look at that thirty six I was 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.080 a number, and I'm like, oh my god, there are 0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:10.600 so many other people who were not able to find help, 0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:13.440 and I'm and I don't like, like I said, like 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.600 I don't even feel good when someone is like thanking 0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:23.480 me and they oftentimes people will say people will say 0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:27.279 to me, I hear this almost every day. You have 0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:31.160 no idea how grateful and thankful I am. And it's like, 0:49:31.239 --> 0:49:35.000 I really don't. I don't know because I'm not in 0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:39.160 your shoes, and I feel I'm and I'm sorry that 0:49:39.320 --> 0:49:44.839 I that you had to come to me like this, 0:49:45.080 --> 0:49:48.920 Like I'm sorry. I feel I'm so sad in like 0:49:49.000 --> 0:49:54.799 such a deep visceral way that when someone is saying 0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:56.680 like you'll never know know how thankful I am that 0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:58.960 they just weren't able to go to their local doctor's 0:49:59.040 --> 0:50:03.040 office or even have the medication mail to them and 0:50:03.040 --> 0:50:04.640 and have it like come in like two days and 0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:06.319 just take it and follow up with the doctor on 0:50:06.320 --> 0:50:08.759 the phone if needed, you know, something super simple which 0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:09.439 would make sense. 0:50:10.160 --> 0:50:14.400 And I'm just I'm I just I hate it. I 0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:16.920 fucking hate it. I just keep coming to that. I'm like, 0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:20.560 this is so bad, this is so bad. I want 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:24.280 to keep doing it, but it sucks. 0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:29.279 Yeah, we're gonna talk more about this next episode, and 0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:31.839 also how the things that we're seeing in abortion care 0:50:31.920 --> 0:50:35.520 have been spiraling out and spreading to other sectors of 0:50:35.560 --> 0:50:38.880 the healthcare system, including trends healthcare. But in the meantime, 0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:41.760 we have an enormous number of links to different abortion 0:50:41.840 --> 0:50:46.440 funds and various abortioned worker groups who also need your support. 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:50.600 So yeah, please support them. And yeah, so that that's 0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:52.680 going to be the next episode is because again again 0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.680 like this this isn't a you know, once you have 0:50:55.920 --> 0:50:57.919 like an evil like this has been unleash into the world, 0:50:58.120 --> 0:51:00.520 it doesn't just stay in one place, right, keeps moving, 0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:03.920 It keeps going after different people, it keeps expanding, and 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:06.200 it keeps just rippling through the world. And so when 0:51:06.239 --> 0:51:08.880 we're talking about that, we're gonna be talking about yeah, 0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:12.360 like you know, I mean the fights that abortioned workers 0:51:12.400 --> 0:51:15.560 have been having. And then we're gonna we're gonna we're 0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:17.440 gonna give you a brief bit of hope at the 0:51:17.520 --> 0:51:20.600 end of what you can do, because like, fuck it, 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:22.680 the world does not need to be like this, Like 0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:25.120 this is not you know, I mean, there's there's the 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:27.400 old David Graber lines like that is the ultimate hidden 0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:29.440 truth of this world, is that it is something that 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:32.200 we make and could just as easily make differently. 0:51:32.680 --> 0:51:33.960 Let's do it. Let's make it different. 0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:36.799 Yeah, let's fucking do that. It's not let's not let's 0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:40.680 not make a fucking immense engine of human suffering. Yeah, 0:51:40.920 --> 0:51:43.600 before we go for this episode, Uh, do you have 0:51:43.600 --> 0:51:45.799 stuff that you want to plug in terms of like 0:51:45.920 --> 0:51:48.360 abortion fund links, in terms of resources. 0:51:48.760 --> 0:51:51.240 Yeah, absolutely, So I know that I was talking about 0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:55.960 just abortion funds in general. So find your local abortion fund, 0:51:56.880 --> 0:51:59.160 go to abortion funds dot org and you know whatever 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.440 your local abortion fun support it. 0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:04.840 And if you feel like you. 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:06.840 You know, your local abortion fund, like you've been supporting 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:08.319 them or they get a lot of support and you 0:52:08.360 --> 0:52:13.560 want to support maybe like funds elsewhere that are doing 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.560 doing the good work. Then I would recommend the Texas 0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:21.279 Equal Access Fund, the T Fund in Texas. They are 0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:25.920 being so amazing and I love them. And also I 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:29.040 know that the Chicago Abortion Fund is a huge fund, 0:52:29.440 --> 0:52:34.000 but I just I love them so much, so I 0:52:34.120 --> 0:52:35.680 just they can't have enough money. 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:38.240 Just go donate to people. They're so amazing. 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:42.520 So Texas Equal Access Fund, the T Fund, the Chicago 0:52:42.560 --> 0:52:46.120 Abortion Fund, They're doing such important work. So you know, 0:52:46.200 --> 0:52:48.319 if you if you're looking for someone outside of your 0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:50.600 local abortion fund which you should be supporting, then also 0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:51.480 check them out as well. 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:54.160 Yeah, so, Crystal, thank you so much for joining us. 0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:56.520 We will be back tomorrow. We will be talking more 0:52:56.560 --> 0:52:58.239 about this. 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